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Amazon Just Announced the Touchscreen Echo Nobody Asked For (gizmodo.com)

An anonymous reader writes: Amazon just announced a new grandmaster Echo gadget with the company's voice-assistant technology built in. It's called the Echo Show. It's got a touchscreen. It's got wi-fi and Bluetooth. It costs $230. And it's even creepier than its siblings. At its core, the Echo Show is just a regular Echo with a 7-inch screen. That screen lets you watch YouTube videos and see the weather forecast after you've asked for it. The new gadget also lets you make calls, video calls, and send text messages to other people using Echos or to mobile devices with the Alexa app installed. Thanks to Alexa integration with gadgets from Arlo and Ring, you can also see what your nanny cam sees. But check this out: the Echo Show also has a 5-megapixel, front-facing camera. So now, instead of your Echo just listening to your commands, it can watch you as well. The Echo Show joins the screen-free Echo Look as the second Amazon Echo device to feature a camera. On a sidenote, Amazon said it will bring the voice-calling ability to all other Echo devices.

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  1. What could possibly go wrong? by mcguirez · · Score: 1

    This could be a boon to the economy! How many streaming web cams could Amazon Video host? Read your EULA carefully because participation might not be optional.

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    1. Re:What could possibly go wrong? by shmlco · · Score: 1

      They certainly didn't waste any money on design, did they? It kind of looks like a plastic "Future Phone" you could have bought at RadioShack back in the day...

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    2. Re:What could possibly go wrong? by Penguinisto · · Score: 1

      Read your EULA carefully because participation might not be optional.

      I've no use for such a device, but note that cellophane tape is pretty cheap, and does a wonderful job of fuzzing a webcam while still providing something in the way of an image to transmit. Hope they enjoy the sight of that...

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    3. Re:What could possibly go wrong? by slashdice · · Score: 1

      Reminds me of that cheap hotel where the porn channel was just a video of me standing around naked with my dick in hand, watching tv.

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    4. Re:What could possibly go wrong? by goombah99 · · Score: 1

      I as thinking the same thing. When this design leaked a few days ago in Bloomberg I thought "Ha what a fake. It's like something from the 80s or off George Jetsons desk set.

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    5. Re:What could possibly go wrong? by youngone · · Score: 1

      I had a vision of Virgil Tracy making use of something that futuristic.

  2. I did... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I asked for a pony and a flying car too...

  3. Wrong product name, wrong size by klingens · · Score: 5, Interesting

    We need a TV sized Echo with display so we can call it Telescreen.

    Everyone needs one, at least all party members.

    1. Re:Wrong product name, wrong size by Anubis+IV · · Score: 4, Informative

      Chalk this one up with the Fire Phone and, in the near future, the Echo Look as yet another Amazon hardware device destined to fail.

      After I heard about the Echo Look, I presented the idea of it to my non-technical, "normal" wife in a positive light, trying to frame it as a good thing, just to see how she'd react. When she suggested without any prodding on my part that it could be a bit creepy, I gave her the Amazon talking points and kept moving along, hoping to gloss over those details, but to no avail. By the end of the description she was so creeped out by the very notion of the product that she made it clear she would never allow one in the house. To say the least, she was quite glad when I dropped the charade and made it clear I was on the same page as her.

      I don't get why Amazon keeps making these things, given that both technical people and "normal people" find these sorts of products incredibly creepy.

    2. Re: Wrong product name, wrong size by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Everyone needs one, at least all party members.

      Even the barbarian? He just smashes that stuff for the experience bonus.

    3. Re:Wrong product name, wrong size by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You mean, a big smart phone?

      I don't see how this Echo thing is any creepier than the smartphones, with mics and front-facing cameras and touch screens, that we all carry around all the time.

      If Echo creeps you out, your smartphone should be giving you nightmares.

    4. Re:Wrong product name, wrong size by klingens · · Score: 1

      You mean, a big smart phone?

      I don't see how this Echo thing is any creepier than the smartphones, with mics and front-facing cameras and touch screens, that we all carry around all the time.

      If Echo creeps you out, your smartphone should be giving you nightmares.

      Even with Smartphones and the Google/Siri/Cortana assistants (mine is rooted, without any assistant and with the last version of CM, Lineage one of these days), I don't know of any instance where Smartphone voice data from them, or video have been subpoenaed by murder investigations. Echo is a lot younger and I already do.

      These assistants would be awesome imho if they would run purely on my own hardware, have really open APIs where everyone can write software for it without golden cages by megacorps, no "developer keys" and shit like it. Ideally fully open sourced software. Then it would be a cool thing
      Apart from the baseband, my phone is all this (yes I still have google play services installed, so sue me), every Android is. Echo is not.

    5. Re:Wrong product name, wrong size by ceoyoyo · · Score: 1

      You can, and people have, checked to see what smartphones send home. Aside from malware, most of them (so far) seem to be pretty good about not sending more than you would reasonably assume they send. But the always on cloud assistants, by definition, need to send everything they hear back to home base.

    6. Re: Wrong product name, wrong size by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hmm, didn't Unearthed Arcana come out in 1984?

    7. Re:Wrong product name, wrong size by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Congrats, your wife has a high prevalence of neanderthal DNA.

    8. Re:Wrong product name, wrong size by Anubis+IV · · Score: 1

      Congrats, you got a rise out of me.

    9. Re:Wrong product name, wrong size by jenningsthecat · · Score: 1

      ... I don't get why Amazon keeps making these things, given that both technical people and "normal people" find these sorts of products incredibly creepy.

      Amazon knows that familiarity breeds indifference, not contempt. Even if this one product fails to gain traction, they'll keep pushing similar stuff, because they know they're likely to succeed at some point.

      It's all about creating a culture and a set of expectations. That's why I laugh at people who say they're not affected by advertising because they don't choose products based on the ads they see. They don't get that it's not really about getting them to buy a specific product. The over-arching goal of advertising, (and many advertisers themselves may not be aware of this), is to create and reinforce a culture of consumerism, and to establish conspicuous consumption as a norm. And now, when the currency that corporations are interested in is less about what's in consumers' pockets, and more about the intimate details of their lives, the same approach applies: keep normalizing loss of privacy, and keep hammering away at it until privacy seems quaint and irrelevant.

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  4. 60 shades of lame by mschaffer · · Score: 1

    Wow. It can almost do what a smartphone can.

    1. Re:60 shades of lame by Ghostworks · · Score: 2

      I'm pretty sure the primary motivation for putting in a touchscreen is that the Echo is really limited with a voice-only interface. For anything complicated, it tells you to use their linked App.

      For example, it can add something (approximating what) you said to a shopping list or to-do list, but it cannot remove them. for that you need to go to the App.

      It can't handle questions or requests with more than one result. For example, it can play a song by name, but God help you if the library contains multiple covers, different songs of the same name, or just lacks the song altogether. ("No, I do not want the Rockabye Baby interpretation of 'Stairway to Heaven'; no one wants that.")

      It is also incapable of introspection, since everything goes out to a server. You'd think it would be able to answer basic questions like "Alexa, what's your MAC address" out of the box, at least enough to get you a connection to said server. (It still can't answer it once you connect to a server.)

      Adding a screen could in theory fix these problems. It also demonstrates a willingness to completely ignore everything that's wrong with the product's signature feature, voice control. If Amazon can't actually fix those problems at some point, it will lose big to Apple and Google. For that matter, since it's nothing more than a crappy command line interface, I'm surprised the Microsoft hasn't killed it already.

  5. Seriously? Choose a better news source by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Posting an article that nobody asked for" title would be a silly header same with this news article. I don't need a news article to hype or give me their narrow mind opinion, just give me the facts

    https://www.cnet.com/news/amazon-echo-show-alexa-is-a-giant-phone-for-your-kitchen-counter/
    https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2017/05/amazon-echo-show-price-specs-release-date/
    https://techcrunch.com/2017/05/09/amazon-unveils-the-230-echo-show-with-a-screen-for-calls-shipping-june-28/
    http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-39853718

    1. Re: Seriously? Choose a better news source by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Bang on. This is a new low. Present fact not opinion

  6. It's because People are the real product. by denis-The-menace · · Score: 1, Funny

    Amazon should just be making theses things free and REQUIRED with your amazon prime account.

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    1. Re:It's because People are the real product. by Kohath · · Score: 1

      No, people aren't the product at Amazon. Amazon isn't primarily an advertising company like Google and Facebook. Amazon sells you retail items at a profit.

    2. Re:It's because People are the real product. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      this is not entirely true. Amazon is making advertising a major part of its business now, as stated by their very own CEO. As for selling products at a profit, that's quesitonable. Amazon's resale business generally loses money. It's their cloud business that makes money.

      http://www.businessinsider.com/advertising-will-become-a-meaningful-part-of-the-business-for-amazon-2017-4

      https://earlymoves.com/2017/02/03/amazons-advertising-business-is-growing-like-weed/

      I also want to point out that as popular as Amazon is, none of their products produce meaningful revenue compared to other device makers.

      http://www.cnbc.com/2017/04/27/amazon-first-quarter-results-come-with-big-expectations.html

      In fact devices are so small Amazon doesn't disclose sales. Which is why they are discounting again:

      http://bgr.com/2017/05/07/amazon-echo-discount-alexa-speaker-sale/

    3. Re:It's because People are the real product. by ceoyoyo · · Score: 1

      For now. There was a story last week about how Amazon wants to get into advertising in a big way.

    4. Re:It's because People are the real product. by Obfuscant · · Score: 1

      There was a story last week about how Amazon wants to get into advertising in a big way.

      I'm sorry, but Amazon has been into advertising in a big way for a very long time. What do you think all those "people who bought what you just bought also bought ..." and "recommendations based on your purchase/viewing history" things are if not highly targeted advertising that you cannot opt out of and cannot shut off?

    5. Re:It's because People are the real product. by Kohath · · Score: 1

      It's not advertising for 3rd parties. Amazon wants you to buy stuff from them because they sell it at a markup.

      The "people are the product" companies are companies that don't primarily sell you stuff, like Facebook and Google.

    6. Re:It's because People are the real product. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, I bet Amazon is getting rich advertising ITS OWN PRODUCTS. Oh, wait, they make their money actually SELLING those things? What a novel idea! I guess Coke, McDonalds, Ford, etc all are all advertising companies by your brilliant definition.

    7. Re:It's because People are the real product. by Obfuscant · · Score: 1

      It's not advertising for 3rd parties.

      Uhh, yeah, I see ads for other sites while on Amazon. And ads is ads, whether it's for someone elses product or your own.

    8. Re:It's because People are the real product. by ceoyoyo · · Score: 1

      From Amazon's financial statements, which are freely available (http://phx.corporate-ir.net/phoenix.zhtml?c=97664&p=irol-sec#14806946), most of their revenue comes from actual product sales. Their advertising revenue is comparatively very small.

      Most of what you describe is Amazon trying to convince you to buy more stuff from amazon. While that might be annoying, it's not the abusive "you are the product" advertising the OP was talking about.

      Contrast with companies like Google, that make very little on actual product sales but make the majority of their money on selling advertising to third parties. Amazon, at least at present, is an electronic store that dabbles in a bit of advertising. Google is an advertising firm that dabbles in making and selling a product now and then (mostly to support their advertising business).

    9. Re:It's because People are the real product. by Obfuscant · · Score: 1

      most of their revenue comes from actual product sales. Their advertising revenue is comparatively very small.

      Exactly how much do they pay themselves to show ads for products they sell? If they pay themselves for showing such ads, those costs will be a direct offset to the revenue they make from paying themselves, and thus show up as 0 in the profit and loss statements.

      Most of what you describe is Amazon trying to convince you to buy more stuff from amazon.

      Yes. Advertising.

      Amazon, at least at present, is an electronic store that dabbles in a bit of advertising.

      Considering that amount of space on their pages that consists of advertising, I'd say "dabbles" is a horrendous understatement. I've seen advertiser supported content that doesn't have as many ads as a typical Amazon page.

    10. Re:It's because People are the real product. by DogDude · · Score: 1

      Amazon sells you retail items at a profit.

      No, they don't. They sell things at cost or at a loss. They do take 30% from everybody else selling through them, though.

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  7. Amazon misunderstood... by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 0

    Most people want to give the finger to the Echo, not finger a touchscreen on the Echo.

    1. Re:Amazon misunderstood... by rdorn · · Score: 1

      Their sales say otherwise. I use the echo daily and love it. Its super convenient to talk to my alarm system, play music, and ask simple questions. I might buy this device too, there's a handful of situations where echo directs you to the echo app, and its annoying. I'd rather just have it pull up the info form. As far as the camera goes, I already have xbox kinect and playstation camera watching my every move. I have no expectation of privacy, and frankly very little shame. I will start to worry when Amazon starts targeting me with ads for back hair shavers.

  8. Cameras on phones by TWX · · Score: 2

    It's funny, Back as far as the 1960s we saw previews for video phones, but reaction has almost always been flat. Initially it certainly would have been expensive, but had video phones become popular the sheer economy of scale probably would have brought prices down.

    The only time I've seen video phones regularly used has been in the workplace, and basically as a test/pilot. Instead of conventional VOIP voice-only phones, a few employees were provided with models that could also do video. Even with this capability though, it's pretty rare that video conveys any additional useful information compared to just audio. Both callers are acquainted with the other so it's not like it's some kind of get-to-know-you exercise, and often the brief phone call is there to clarify something that was discussed by e-mail, where it's simpler to have the back-and-forth exchange to quickly clarify the matter.

    The home might actually be a better medium for video chat, especially for loved-ones that are long-distance to each other and rarely get to see each other, but in the home the use of the video call requires the parties to maintain the level of decency that they feel is appropriate for being seen, while audio-only doesn't have that restriction. That's before even considering the privacy issues.

    We've had laptops with the capability for a decade, we've had broadband market penetration for fifteen years, but apparently people don't want to appear on-camera to other people or else they want control more than the vendors are willing to provide.

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    1. Re:Cameras on phones by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yep. Its pretty simple: People call to convey information via audio. People e-mail documents to convey information via text / graphics. People show up in person for really important situations. Unless your face / body has something to do with the info to convey (I can think of *some* use cases here), its pretty pointless to video call as it just add something extra to focus on when the main communication medium is audio.

      Video chat is basically only good for some special use cases and the odd situation that is important enough to worry about setting the shit up but not important enough to show up in person.

    2. Re:Cameras on phones by ceoyoyo · · Score: 1

      Maybe you don't have a lot of relatives? Mine all love Skype and FaceTime. I also do a fair amount of consulting and collaborating with people around the world, and many of those people, particularly Europeans, like Skype video calls.

    3. Re:Cameras on phones by TWX · · Score: 1

      Actually I do have a lot of relatives, like my dad was from a family of the better part of twenty children (guess that since the farm didn't have electricity my grandparents found other ways to keep themselves occuppied) but most of them have other things to do with their time besides video-chat.

      My wife could benefit from video chat with her parents, but they don't even have a computer let alone Internet service, and aren't about to pay for a service like that. They only barely use the simplified phone with huge buttons. They have no reason to spend the money for the Internet connection when it won't really be used.

      Perhaps the current generation in their 40s will be the first to retire and then heavily use video chat as a matter of course. They'll have reached retirement age knowing the feature exists and is not unaffordable and they'll be accustomed to paying for the necessary service in order to use it.

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    4. Re:Cameras on phones by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I use video chatting with friends and relatives all the time.

    5. Re:Cameras on phones by ceoyoyo · · Score: 1

      Different types of people I guess. I see a lot of people using video phones in both their personal and professional lives. They don't call them video phones, of course. They call them smartphones, tablets and notebooks. Or in business, "videoconferencing."

      My parents are retired, in their sixties, and they and their siblings and friends like to video chat. My mother didn't really use her dumb phone much, and my father didn't ever have one, but as soon as smartphones became reasonably capable they each had one. Their children (including me) seem to prefer to text, but I suppose that might change as we get older and there are babies to see.

  9. We're obviously not the target demographic by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I suspect the people who think it's a great idea to have an always-on microphone in their house will not suddenly start objecting just because a camera is added to the device.

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    1. Re:We're obviously not the target demographic by ckatko · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You're basically the only non-retard in this comment section that I can find.

      "Omgawd guys, this product will totally fail for the following reasons... that equally apply to the original product... which is successful and makes more money in a year than I will accrue in my entire lifetime. I'm so smart."

    2. Re:We're obviously not the target demographic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Until the next incarnation, the Echo Chamber, where it subtly and steadily manipulates its responses such to reinforce what you already think.

    3. Re:We're obviously not the target demographic by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 1

      You might want to hurry up and patent that idea.

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  10. I know who asked for this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is a feature request for Jeff Bezos. It's what he wanted in his own house. Sometimes Amazon builds stuff specifically for him and tries to turn it into a product. Another example is that the keyboard on the first few generations of Kindle were there specifically at his request.

  11. They're after the kids by swb · · Score: 5, Insightful

    My 12 year old son thinks talking computers are the bomb. He always asks if we can get an Echo or a Google Home whenever he sees the commercials. If he gets ahold of an iPhone, he will go to town asking Siri questions. It's his default method of looking things up.

    (No, he doesn't have his own phone, and no I don't encourage and actively discourage it so much my wife thinks I'm an asshole about it).

    I always explain that these things are always listening and it's like having a stranger in our house listening to everything we say. Totally not OK.

    But I think their real goal isn't adults who were raised reading 1984 in school. It's kids, who think that talking to corporate electronic systems is normal and have no sense of electronic privacy.

    1. Re:They're after the kids by Anubis+IV · · Score: 1

      You may well be right, I'm afraid.

    2. Re:They're after the kids by Bodhammer · · Score: 3, Interesting

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    3. Re:They're after the kids by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's kids, who think that talking to corporate electronic systems is normal and have no sense of electronic privacy.

      It does in fact seem related to a generation gap. Survey after survey after survey shows that older generations care more about their privacy. The younger generations have grown up in a world without it. In the only world they've ever known, every action they take, every word they write, everything they buy, every web page they visit, everywhere they go in the real world, who their friends are, the minutia of their sexuality, their health problems, it is all cataloged and will follow them throughout their lives. It starts from before they are too early to even be aware of it. It's simply the background of their lives, in a way it's not for those of us who grew up before the surveillance culture.

      That's why I don't think anything can stop it. These things are a matter of cultural acceptance, and it is now culturally expected that to be alive is to be under constant, moment to moment surveillance by both big business and big government. In a way, the population has been trained by big business to think that privacy is abnormal. I don't think that cat is going back into the bag again.

    4. Re:They're after the kids by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 2

      Survey after survey after survey shows that older generations care more about their privacy.

      Yet older people are more likely to see Snowden as a criminal, and less likely to believe that it is wrong for the NSA to monitor our email and phone calls.

    5. Re:They're after the kids by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The surveillance starts with "Big Parent" in the form of video "baby" monitors that seem to remain in place way way too long, phone tracking apps, daycare video cams, etc. Nosy ass over protective parents are the problem. These kids would RATHER have some stranger who they don't know snooping than their own parents who might discipline them.

    6. Re:They're after the kids by ceoyoyo · · Score: 1

      Young kids don't have a great sense of privacy. They learn that as they get older. As soon as it occurs to them that the echo, or the shared home phone line, or the neighbour, might be reporting on them to mom or dad, they learn about privacy really quickly.

      The idea of a computer that can listen has been cool for a really long time. The issue now that we can finally do it in a useful way seems to be that all the companies providing these things think they should be in "the cloud." The processing demands aren't that great: there's no reason why you couldn't have your own voice activated personal assistant running on your own hardware, in your own home. In a year or two you'll be able to have it run locally on your own phone.

    7. Re:They're after the kids by 0100010001010011 · · Score: 1

      I'm in my 30s and do the same thing.

      I *know* they're always listening. If the NSA wants to hang out with me and my wife for the most part, come along. Back when I first started saying stuff like that it was tinfoil material.

      The difference is that I go out of my way to not be heard or seen when I don't want to be heard or seen. Fitting in with the norm will raise less red flags than being completely off grid.

    8. Re:They're after the kids by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >...whenever he sees commercials...

      There's your problem right there. We'd all be FINE and think well of ourselves & neighbours if there was not the constant push to separate us from our resources- emotionally & fiscally. Commercials are literally the bane of humanity and when you are away from them for awhile you'll really really notice their negativity when re-introduced.

      My condolences.

    9. Re:They're after the kids by Just+Some+Guy · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Apple's Siri is much better than Amazon Echo for this. It listens and processes audio locally to detect you saying "Hey Siri". Only after that does it start recording. I just verified this by putting my iPhone 6S Plus into airplane mode and saying "Hey Siri". That got me a "Siri not available" popup.

      I'm perfectly fine with my voice being sent to Apple after I've asked them to process my commands, so long as it never goes to them before I've explicitly asked my phone to start listening to me.

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    10. Re:They're after the kids by rdavidson3 · · Score: 1

      You may think differently if your son does something like this xkcd comic. https://www.xkcd.com/1807/

    11. Re:They're after the kids by XxtraLarGe · · Score: 1

      Survey after survey after survey shows that older generations care more about their privacy.

      Yet older people are more likely to see Snowden as a criminal, and less likely to believe that it is wrong for the NSA to monitor our email and phone calls.

      You realize, of course both of these statements can be true, i.e. that 40% of seniors could be concerned about privacy vs. 30% of millennials, and 60% of seniors could see Snowden as a criminal and have no problem with the NSA monitoring email & phone calls vs. only 30% of millennials...

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    12. Re:They're after the kids by swb · · Score: 2

      I think allegiance or rebellion to authority is probably the stronger sentiment for older people and younger people, respectively.

      Older people see Snowden as a traitor and that resonates more than the NSA eavesdropping. Younger people see him as a rebellious hero, and that means more than their lack of concern over electronic privacy.

    13. Re:They're after the kids by jordanjay29 · · Score: 1

      I was born in the late 80s, and I still have to wonder about certain things my parents don't feel comfortable sharing, even as I marvel at how willing the younger generation is at giving away information I would keep locked away. It's definitely been a gradual erosion of the notion of privacy and the things one is willing to part with in order to remain relevant in an ever-converging society.

    14. Re:They're after the kids by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Umm.... that's exactly the same way the Echo and all other Alexa devices work. They only transmit audio after the wake word is spoken, until the end of your utterance. This comes up in every single story on Alexa and Echo here on Slashdot, and this has been posted a zillion times here.

      The wake word engine runs locally. Amazon does not transmit audio until you say "Alexa" or whatever your configured wake word is, full stop.

  12. Re:Seriously? Choose a better news source by mfh · · Score: 1

    Thank you for linking some other sources here as I certainly prefer to get my journalism from less tarnished or bought-and-paid-for sources.

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  13. I already have a phone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    My phone can already do this, so can my tablet, and I can bring them in any room I want. The only people who would need this is people who don't have a phone and spend every moment using this service in a single room.

    What exactly is the point of spending $200+ for that?

    1. Re:I already have a phone by klingens · · Score: 1

      Your phone has a shitty recognition rate, especially when it's in your pocket as it normally is when not directly used.
      This thing has an array if microphones, not just a single one, with some DSPs so it can record your voice much much better for the voice recognition.

      With this array of mics, the "computer, lights 20%" from Star Trek TNG is possible, with your phone it is not.

    2. Re:I already have a phone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm good without all that fancy stuff, I sync it with the Bluetooth speaker/mic on the counter meant for voice calls and it works fine

  14. No one asked for the Echo either... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...but look at it now.

  15. dick pic selfie by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Alexa look at my cock.

  16. Stick to your roots by TheDarkener · · Score: 1

    Why can't companies/projects stick to what they were initially created for? C'mon, Amazon. First it was the Kindle (great product), then you just *had* to turn it into a full featured tablet. Now this?

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    1. Re:Stick to your roots by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So Apple should not make/sell anything other than desktop computers?
      IBM should not make/sell anything other than meat grinders, scales, and time clocks?
      Google should only do search?
      Disney should only do short cartoons?
      Etc, etc

      Sounds like you are quite the business genius

    2. Re:Stick to your roots by Pulzar · · Score: 1

      First it was the Kindle (great product), then you just *had* to turn it into a full featured tablet. Now this?

      Kindle is still alive and well, and better than ever. Having more options is not a bad thing.

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    3. Re:Stick to your roots by ndixon · · Score: 1

      E-readers are niche products. They always were. The market's not big enough to stick with one product
      It makes sense to build other products that reach other customers, especially if they can use the same branding to help the product along.

      Look how many companies were making e-readers 5-10 years ago who've given up or are allowing the product to wither and die: Sony gave up, Samsung, B&N (they never really tried outside the US and soon abandoned customers they had in the UK and EU).

      Look how many customers were desperate to get their hands on e-readers because it was new tech they didn't already have, and who then went cold when they discovered they couldn't watch YouTube or play Angry Birds on them.

      There's a niche market for e-readers (and I am in it) but there was more money to be made selling devices for gaming and video.

      The whole point of Amazon hardware (even e-Ink devices) was to encourage people to buy more stuff from Amazon. That's why Dash Buttons exist.
      On that view, The whole Echo line makes perfect sense.

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  17. No one asked for the original Echo either ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    .... and yet here we are. With bit of a lower price point, I see this having great potential.

  18. This Will Be Huge by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you watch the video for this on the Amazon site, it is being aimed directly at parents and grandparents. Imagine three of these being sold each time someone has their first kid. The parents will get one so they can check the feed from the monitor in the kid's bedroom and each set of grandparents will get one so they can see and talk to their new grandchild.

    And as of today, Amazon is also adding the ability for existing Alexa devices to call each other. This will be a boon to those of us who have elderly parents. Instead of paying a monthly fee to some third party monitoring company, we'll be able to order Alexa devices and put them in each room in our parent's home. That way, they can easily contact us in case of a medical emergency ("I've fallen and I can't get up.") I'm going to get a six pack of the Dots for my Mom for Mother's Day. Hopefully she never needs to use them, but for a one-time cost of US$250, the peace of mind will be worth the relatively minor expense.

  19. At least they're consistent by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 1

    Amazon just announced the touchscreen Echo nobody asked for.

    Nobody asked for the screen-less Echo either, so it's business as usual for Amazon.

    P.S.: E-ink has amazing new color displays! We want a color e-paper Kindle already!

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    1. Re:At least they're consistent by Pulzar · · Score: 2

      Nobody asked for the screen-less Echo either, so it's business as usual for Amazon.

      ..and yet it's selling quite well. I guess you sometimes have to come up with products that general public hasn't thought of?

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    2. Re:At least they're consistent by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sometimes you have to come up with products that the general public is dumb enough to buy.

      FTFY

  20. Playing Catch- by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They're going nuts the same way Microsoft went nuts. Microsoft realised they were way behind Google in the data collection game and made a huge grab with Windows 10. Now Amazon is doing the same thing with this crap.

  21. Isn't this a Dash/Chumby with a touch screen? by rjejr · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Sony Dash failed. Funnily enough it terminates in July 2017. Chumby never took off. Amazon sells a $49 tablet but they think a $230 device is a good idea? Vidcam was a smart idea about 20 years ago, not sure it's needed now. I'm not entirely opposed to the device, but even $199 would seem alot, you could just get a $200 Chormebook. Maybe this is just an early adopter tax and it will be $149 this holiday? I can imagine this selling over the holiday for $149 for gifts even if people didn't know why they were buying it besides "just b/c it's new tech at $149." But I don't see it taking off. OTOH, maybe it sells better than normal Echo so they ditch that and this becomes ubiquitous? Well once it hits $149 anyway.

  22. Re:Seriously? Choose a better news source by 0100010001010011 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It just fits with Slashdot's history of technology predictions.

    iPod: The MP3 player nobody asked for.

    iPhone: The phone nobody asked for.

    Amazon AWS: The server service nobody asked for.

    Amazon Echo: The device nobody asked for.

    Tesla: The electric car nobody asked for.

  23. On the contrary by computational+super · · Score: 2

    that nobody asked for

    Actually, the CIA asked.

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  24. GadgetGrip Max by nanospook · · Score: 1

    Reduce the probability of a drop.. slap on a GadgetGrip Max!

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  25. We want a faster horse! by mveloso · · Score: 1

    Yeah, people don't want this, they want a faster horse. Who's the moron that came up with this automobile thing? It's totally stupid.

  26. It's got what plants crave by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ..... it's got electrolytes

  27. Another on the pile... by BadTuna · · Score: 1

    New Coke, Zune, Facebook phone, Fire phone, Twitter Peak, Nexus Q, Echo Touch.

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  28. I'll probably be getting a few... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I am actually a pretty big fan of this. My family will enjoy them. Will have to see if first generation lives up to expectations... but I can put this in the kids playroom and they can tell it what music to play all day (they currently do with the echo).

    Justin

  29. What is google doing? by Codeyman · · Score: 1

    Why is google lagging behind here? If google has a touch/tap/voice activated assistant that was as good as amazon echo, on the phone, we wouldn't be having this discussion. You don't need to have a permanently listening/seeing device, you can activate it with just a push of a button on the device that you have handy anyway.

    On the other side, Amazon echo can easily build the wakeup word detection and the rule engine right into the device without the need to go to the cloud every time. Most of the echo owner I know mostly use it for few canned request/responses. It can go to the web when it needs to go.

  30. Dumb TItle by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No one asked for the iPhone either. I don't assume this will be a successful device at all, but as the saying goes: If Henry Ford asked what people wanted they would have said faster horses.

  31. Just the article needed for Luddites. by will_die · · Score: 1

    That has got to be one of the luddite article in years. The author has to be someone who is completely tech ignorant.
    They talk about how it cannot work as a baby monitor and then not allow someone to eavesdrop. Really simple with roles. Then it goes one on other claims which are not based on any provided information but the non-technical author cannot understand how some technology would implement it.

  32. amazon needs to point it upwards at 60 deg by WindBourne · · Score: 1

    Seriously, this needs to be on an incline so that they camera is looking at the ceiling and top part of a wall.
    But, I hope that Google is smart enough to create a clone in which the camera and display are separate.

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  33. Well, nobody asked for Amazon Prime, either. by kriston · · Score: 1

    Well, nobody asked for Amazon Prime, either.

    Jeff Bezos: Nobody asked for one of our most popular services

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  34. Dick Tracy's Intercom by goombah99 · · Score: 1

    Or more like Dick Tracy's intercom.

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  35. Wow! by MerlTurkin · · Score: 1

    A listening device with a screen. GENIUS!

  36. American Marketing by jf_moreira · · Score: 1

    Did you see the video commercial? MY GOD, I have never seen such a bad thing. American marketing plain sucks. It looks like 1980 commercials.