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Doctor Who's 13th Time Lord Announced: Actress Jodie Whittaker (bbc.co.uk)

Peter Capaldi, the 12th Doctor Who, had said that he wanted to see a woman replace him in the Tardis, and so did former Doctor Who stars Billie Piper and Karen Gillan. And today it's official: "the 13th incarnation of Doctor Who will be portrayed by an actress," writes Slashdot reader Coisiche -- specifically Jodie Whittaker, who American viewers may remember from her performance as CIA officer Sandra Grimes in the 2014 mini-series "The Assets." The BBC reports: She was revealed in a trailer that was broadcast on BBC One at the end of the Wimbledon men's singles final... She will make her debut on the sci-fi show when the Doctor regenerates in the Christmas Day show... Whittaker said: "I'm beyond excited to begin this epic journey...with every Whovian on this planet. It's more than an honour to play the Doctor. It means remembering everyone I used to be, while stepping forward to embrace everything the Doctor stands for: hope... Doctor Who represents everything that's exciting about change."
Doctor Who's new showrunner said the 13th Doctor was always going to be a woman -- and that Whittaker was their first choice. "Jodie is an in-demand, funny, inspiring, super-smart force of nature and will bring loads of wit, strength and warmth to the role." Doctor Who #12 added that Whittaker "has above all the huge heart to play this most special part. She's going to be a fantastic Doctor." And Will Howells, who writes for the Doctor Who magazine, said "I don't think it's a risky choice at all but if a show that can go anywhere and do anything can't take risks, what can?"

508 comments

  1. This is great news... now... give me more shows! by ka9dgx · · Score: 3, Insightful

    When do we get new episodes? Why isn't there a daily episode? MORE MORE MORE!!!!

  2. Jodie Whittaker by slashnik · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Well she's a fine actress, an inspired choice. We can only wait to see what she does with it

    1. Re:Jodie Whittaker by elrous0 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I just hope Dr. Who treats her as an actual Doctor, not just use her to virtue-signal for SJW cred. Dr. Who's increasing politicization is really getting annoying. It's starting to feel like that guy who brings out his one black friend at every party and points to him to let you know that he's a proper non-racist liberal.

      When characters are naturally gay or black or whatever, that's great. When they're one-dimensional non-entities who just appear from stage-left in every episode just to remind everyone of their gayness and blackness, that's just virtue-signalling. And it's an insult to real gays, minorities, women etc. who are actual real human beings.

      I hope she's a real character. I hope that every episode doesn't revolve around some stereotypical "women's issues" just to trumpet for the thousandth time that this Dr. Who is A WOMAN.

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    2. Re:Jodie Whittaker by Truekaiser · · Score: 5, Funny

      Well they seem to be also repainting the police box color to pink, so what do you think will happen?

    3. Re:Jodie Whittaker by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Missy was a exceptional incarnation of The Master as an evil Mary Poppins. Michelle Gomez proved the character can be gender flipped and still retain credibility.

    4. Re:Jodie Whittaker by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      The Doctor finally fixes the chameleon circuit?!

    5. Re:Jodie Whittaker by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Go rewatch some of the older episodes with the Master and see if you can still say that. Missy was a poor approximation of the Master and the stupid "Master/Doctor" romance thing they tried to shove into that relationship ruined the character.

    6. Re:Jodie Whittaker by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Troll

      Nothing against Jodie Whittaker, but I'm beyond sick of this SJW shit. I won't be watching this series.

      I mean this particular time lord is male....now they're rewriting it so gender is only skin deep? These idiots really don't think things through when they ram down their wingnut agenda.

    7. Re:Jodie Whittaker by jellomizer · · Score: 2

      I am guessing you haven't been watching Dr. Who or the BBC for the last decade?

      For the most part BBC has been good writing characters who may be against the normal stereotype without being preachy about it. There may be some episodes say where the Doctor is in the past and the men in charge will not listen to her, just because the Doctor is a woman. But I expect for the most part I trust that the BBC will make the New Doctor believable like the other ones.

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    8. Re:Jodie Whittaker by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Go watch Logopolis again and see The Master murdering random people for the evuls just like Missy did, and see how The Doctor and The Master actually did join forces and agree to cooperate just like Missy almost did.

    9. Re:Jodie Whittaker by AmiMoJo · · Score: 2

      Judging by his they handled Bill, I can't see it being an issue. Davies did tend to make too much of those kinds of issues for them to seem natural, but Moffat is pretty good at it.

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    10. Re:Jodie Whittaker by MightyMartian · · Score: 1, Insightful

      So because they cast a woman in the role of an alien time traveller who regularly changes form, you're pissed off? You rt are a delicate little snowflake, aren't you?

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    11. Re:Jodie Whittaker by iamgnat · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Missy was a exceptional incarnation of The Master as an evil Mary Poppins. Michelle Gomez proved the character can be gender flipped and still retain credibility.

      Exactly, but they never made a big deal of it so it worked well.

      This last companion, however, was an abomination of SJW-ness. Not a single episode went by without them putting some focus on her liking girls and/or (mostly and) some slavery reference. It was tedious, annoying, helped nothing, and damaged the story lines.

      Cpt Jack's homosexuality was never an issue and it was never focused on. Martha didn't go around constantly commenting about slavery. Bill was also the first female companion (at least since the reboot) that I would not classify as a "strong woman" (mostly due to her being on about slavery and being gay so much). Seemed she needed more rescuing by the Dr than she did rescuing of the Dr like all her predecessors did.

      Hopefully the story will just be "poof, the Dr is a woman" and then it is never mentioned again. If so, it will work well. Based on how they are publicizing it, however, I suspect they are going to work some form of "wait! you're a woman now???" into each episode. That will be a damn shame if that is indeed what happens.

      I agree that there should be a female Dr and by all accounts it looks like she is a good choice. I just hope that the writers and producers don't turn it into disgusting political circus to try to make a point that doesn't need making.

    12. Re:Jodie Whittaker by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In Yorkshire the important thing is seen as her being a blow for equal rights after a Lancastrian played Who (Ecclestone).

    13. Re:Jodie Whittaker by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is kind of my fear as well. I'd hate to see any actor or actress used to cater to some silly political bs and I'd especially hate to see the ruin of a series such as Dr Who for that purpose. Hopefully the BBS stays on track.

    14. Re:Jodie Whittaker by jellomizer · · Score: 3, Insightful

      For the most part I expect the BBC is just trying to get rid of the gender debate. No matter when they would replace the Doctor with a female version there will be controversy. So if they do it now, then they can get rid of the hurdle. If they found a talented actor and have good writers and directors, then things should be fine.
      Being that Capaldi wasn't that popular Doctor (I actually started to warm up with him this season) People are up for a change, back to a more vibrant Doctor.

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    15. Re:Jodie Whittaker by hairyfeet · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Exactly! there is a BIG fricking difference than having a character who simply happens to be "x" than one whose entire reason for being is to be "x". A perfect example of doing it right? Heimdall in the Thor movies. Nobody gives a shit that he is black because he is a well written character who just so happens to be black. He is brave, loyal to his friends, willing to charge in despite extreme danger, one tough SOB. Nobody cares about his skin color because it simply isn't relevant to the story or the character it is simply a trait like being tall or strong which frankly is how it should be if we actually care about people being treated as equals and not objects.

      Contrast this with how Hollywood portrays gay people which is still so cringe its pathetic, they always seem to go full Will & Grace stereotype gay. They can't just let a person be a person who just so happens to be gay, nope its "hey did you know I'm gay? Because i'm totally gay, yup as gay as gay can be uh huh that is me" which I have no doubt we'll look back in 20 years and see this virtue signaling for what it is...as racist as anything Amos and Andy did back in the day because they aren't allowed to just be people,normal folks with thoughts and fears and anxieties like everybody else, nope they have to go "magical negro" only its "super happy gay friend".

      So if its a case of the Doctor simply ending up with a gender swap this regen, looking down saying something snarky and then moving on like "Oh well at least I'm not white haired anymore, it was making me feel dreadfully old" then it will be great....but considering how many times I've seen the word "diversity" thrown in there which in left wing speak always translates to "hey we're gonna be racist/sexist now, gotta fly the flag and show we are loyal to the cause"? I have a feeling we are gonna be in for some serious cringe.

      lets just hope they don't end up killing the show because as we have seen people are REALLY getting fucking sick of being preached at and if the show becomes nothing but left wing politics and virtue signaling? I don't even see hardcore Dr Who fans wanting to tune in for their weekly dose of Who if it becomes nothing but propaganda.

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    16. Re: Jodie Whittaker by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 1

      I think that all that matters is whether this change reflects the world in the story or the world of the writers. It's difficult to follow a story with continuity depending on what decade's production you're currently watching.

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    17. Re:Jodie Whittaker by mhkohne · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Being that Capaldi wasn't that popular Doctor (I actually started to warm up with him this season) People are up for a change, back to a more vibrant Doctor.

      Interesting. I have to say I loved Capaldi, and I thought his portrayal was great. Some of the scripts, on the other hand, could have used another go or two round the editor's desk before being OK'd. I'm hopeful the writers will do better by Whittaker.

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    18. Re:Jodie Whittaker by serviscope_minor · · Score: 0

      Nobody gives a shit that he is black because he is a well written character who just so happens to be black.

      Disproof: people flipped their shit over Charlize theron in Mad Max: Fury road mostly because as far as I could tell, she wasn't a bloke.

      lets just hope they don't end up killing the show because as we have seen people are REALLY getting fucking sick of being preached at and if the show becomes nothing but left wing politics and virtue signaling?

      If people don't like being preached at, I'll bet they already don't watch Dr Who. The few times I've tried it, I've found it kinda preachy in that very BBc sort of way.

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    19. Re:Jodie Whittaker by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah I really hope this move means the writers can move the hell on. The quality of the last season was really hit and miss. Every other eposode felt like they where pushing a political agenda which wouldn't have been that bad ..... if they had done it with subtlety and tact instead of being so hamfisted about it.

    20. Re:Jodie Whittaker by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Way to go with your comment. Thanks for proving the point to the right that we're using this to make heads explode and not really entertaining...they already stating that it is nothing more than SJW.

    21. Re:Jodie Whittaker by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Disproof: people flipped their shit over Charlize theron in Mad Max: Fury road mostly because as far as I could tell, she wasn't a bloke.

      There was an absurd amount of articles complaining about people who allegedly flipped their shit. That's about it.

      The only proof that movie provided was that made-up controversy clickbait works for "news" sites.

    22. Re:Jodie Whittaker by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Judging by his they handled Bill, I can't see it being an issue. Davies did tend to make too much of those kinds of issues for them to seem natural, but Moffat is pretty good at it.

      Moffat is the worst writer to ever work on a Doctor Who series .. His main talent was building a nice story line and the jumping off of a cliff to finish it .

    23. Re: Jodie Whittaker by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This video explains what women wil never understand.

    24. Re:Jodie Whittaker by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1, Flamebait

      I just hope Dr. Who treats her as an actual Doctor, not just use her to virtue-signal for SJW cred. Dr. Who's increasing politicization is really getting annoying.

      If you can't see that Dr Who has always been "politicized", then you're probably too thick to have ever really appreciated the show.

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    25. Re:Jodie Whittaker by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well they seem to be also repainting the police box color to pink, so what do you think will happen?

      OMG! Ponies!

    26. Re:Jodie Whittaker by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

      It would be worth doing just to watch the heads explode. All the right wing comment sections are going nuts.

      How dare human beings not be racist and sexist in the way I prefer. They are worse than scum. They must be, shudder, republicans! /s

      Or maybe people want to be treated and viewed as people instead of labeled, classified, and pre-judged based on neo-marxist oppression structures specifically designed 30 years ago to favor the people that created it.

    27. Re:Jodie Whittaker by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      Nobody gives a shit that he is black because he is a well written character who just so happens to be black.

      Actually, there was quite a bit of sturm und drang over Heimdall being black. The neo-nazis and "race realists" went apeshit over it and threatened to boycott. 4chan and Reddit forums blew up over a black guy playing Heimdall, and it didn't calm down until well after the movie was out.

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    28. Re:Jodie Whittaker by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This show hasn't been good since the 70's.

    29. Re:Jodie Whittaker by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nobody gives a shit that he is black because he is a well written character who just so happens to be black.

      Actually, there was quite a bit of sturm und drang over Heimdall being black. The neo-nazis and "race realists" went apeshit over it and threatened to boycott. 4chan and Reddit forums blew up over a black guy playing Heimdall, and it didn't calm down until well after the movie was out.

      They went apeshit over a black guy?!?!?!?

    30. Re:Jodie Whittaker by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      back to a more vibrant Doctor.

      That's right. And to me, vibrant=boobies.

    31. Re:Jodie Whittaker by jedidiah · · Score: 1

      You mean the Mad Max movie where the title character was mainly a blood bag and a hood ornament. I can see why MRAs got their panties in a bunch over it. It did come of like some raging anti-man feminst from academia was allowed to run the project.

      Theron was actually an upside in all of that mess.

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    32. Re:Jodie Whittaker by jedidiah · · Score: 1

      A lot of the new Doctors have felt like children with no real gravitas. I rather liked the fact that Capaldi did NOT suffer from this. I suspect that this new actress will be more of that same nonsense beyond the mindless virtue signalling.

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    33. Re: Jodie Whittaker by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Eccelstone is a Manc. We kicked them out of Lancashire a long time ago. ;)

    34. Re:Jodie Whittaker by serviscope_minor · · Score: 0

      hee hee sounds like you're still sore over it :)

      I can see why MRAs got their panties in a bunch over it.

      Well, sounds like we've found one of them right here:

      It did come of like some raging anti-man feminst from academia was allowed to run the project.

      I wonder what the guy who did the original max max would have to say about it!

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    35. Re:Jodie Whittaker by yuriklastalov · · Score: 2

      Or maybe people want to be treated and viewed as people instead of labeled, classified, and pre-judged based on neo-marxist oppression structures specifically designed 30 years ago to favor the people that created it.

      Now you're just talking crazy talk.

    36. Re:Jodie Whittaker by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      Heimdall well written? He is supposed to be the lookout. His one job is to see things coming, and he regularly fails to notice the giant threat literally looming over him.

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    37. Re:Jodie Whittaker by AmiMoJo · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      Your memory is faulty. Captain Jack did make a big thing of being gay, especially in he spin off Torchwood, but in their main series as well. Davies, the show runner at the time, was terrible for it.

      By comparison, Bill has been very subtle and matter of fact. If anything they avoided bringing it up by refraining from her having a love interest in any situations where it might be an issue, like the past (where her being black at a time when black people were property was something they couldn't avoid).

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    38. Re: Jodie Whittaker by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      they don't seem to be keeping the virtue signaling under control at all after the season with Bill.

    39. Re:Jodie Whittaker by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      it was hilarious when I noticed it, first open lesbian companion on dr who dies nearly every week...

    40. Re:Jodie Whittaker by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It is shameless virtue signaling and if women are not insulted by this bs they should be.
      I am all for equality and it is a done deal it has been law for fucking years but still we have to pretend equality is making women look like the are vastly better than men at all tasks? women have the courts and the government 100% on their side in all matters.
      Does every male role have to be replaced by women to show equality?
      If true equality existed women would be offended by virtue signaling and the fact 97% of all alimony goes to women.
      Equality means no men and diversity means no white people and this is what women push for in the west dumbest generation ever.

    41. Re:Jodie Whittaker by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Can I burn a cross on your lawn?

    42. Re:Jodie Whittaker by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Troll

      I agree that there should be a female Dr

      Why? Why should there be a female Doctor? I cannot fathom a reason, other than the proponents of a female Doctor must think women weak and inferior, unable to be the lead in a show without 50 years of a strong male lead to lean on as a crutch.

      I am not saying that you feel that way (if I was, I would have then asked "why do you hate women"), I am simply saying that is the only reason I can come up with. So please, tell us what your reason is.

    43. Re:Jodie Whittaker by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm pissed off because the creators of the show apparently think women are weak and inferior, unable to stand on their own as the lead in a show without 50 years of a strong male lead to lean on as a crutch.

    44. Re:Jodie Whittaker by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I just hope Dr. Who treats her as an actual Doctor, not just use her to virtue-signal for SJW cred. Dr. Who's increasing politicization is really getting annoying. It's starting to feel like that guy who brings out his one black friend at every party and points to him to let you know that he's a proper non-racist liberal.

      When characters are naturally gay or black or whatever, that's great. When they're one-dimensional non-entities who just appear from stage-left in every episode just to remind everyone of their gayness and blackness, that's just virtue-signalling. And it's an insult to real gays, minorities, women etc. who are actual real human beings.

      Who has always made political statements.

      However, the kind of thing you're complaining about is something Davies did pretty constantly when New Who started. That's something that's gone way down, so the idea that it's "increasing" is kind of silly.

      Then again, you used the idiotic term "virtue signalling" - twice - so there's not much expectation of a constructive or informed conversation here. Nothing says knowing the thing you're complaining about is right like resorting to simply accusing the people doing it of not really meaning it. It's a cute combination of ad hominem and self-defeat.

    45. Re:Jodie Whittaker by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Moffat is the worst writer to ever work on a Doctor Who series .. His main talent was building a nice story line and the jumping off of a cliff to finish it .

      I don't think you can go through any season of Who - New Who especially - without finding at least one episode that's widely panned as being awful. Even ignoring the hyperbole, when we have episodes like Gridlock and The Lazarus Experiment to look at, we know there are certainly worse people who have written for the show.

      When Moffat did write episodes, his biggest problem was that he'd try really hard - either to be clever with time travel, or to come up with some kind of existential terror based on everyday feelings or violated senses - and those plots were hit an miss on working out beautifully or coming off as try-hard.

    46. Re:Jodie Whittaker by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Perhaps your irritation is a signal of distress at the "virtue signalling" because your amount of virtue is subpar.

    47. Re:Jodie Whittaker by ACorrosionOfDeviants · · Score: 1

      Whittaker was excellent in Broadchurch -- the three-series UK original on ITV, not the dreadful short-lived American remake. Broadchurch was definitely not sci fi, but David Tennant's portrayal of Detective Inspector Alec Hardy often reminded me of the Tenth Doctor, and now there will be two regenerations on the show's main cast.

      I'm eager to see Whittaker's version of The Doctor.

    48. Re:Jodie Whittaker by frank_adrian314159 · · Score: 0

      So you think it should be ignored, huh? What if every time you saw someone they were a man and then suddenly, they became a woman. Don't you think that would engender some comment/questions from a human character? Especially if that character had never seen a regeneration of the Doctor change sexes, as well? Perhaps a few people from UNIT who saw Missy might have a clue, but for the rest of the doctors acquaintances, I'd expect some comment, if not simply a "you're looking good this time".

      A lot of dumbasses on this site seem to look for reasons to be pissed off about change. It's a wonder they can keep up with technology with their attitudes.

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    49. Re:Jodie Whittaker by iamgnat · · Score: 2

      Your memory is faulty. Captain Jack did make a big thing of being gay

      I'll grant you that may be as I don't think I ever went back and watched the 10th in order, so that could have skewed my view.

      especially in he spin off Torchwood

      Never seen an episode and not directly the subject.

      By comparison, Bill has been very subtle and matter of fact.

      Subtle doesn't mean what you think it means. I'm not willing to say "every" without rewatching them all (which I will never do), but most they made at least one jarring and out of place scene where she had to tell someone she was into girls. While it may have been "matter of fact", it served no purpose in the story other than "hey! look! I'm a lesbian character!".

      If they had simply made her a competent female character like Clara, Amy, Martha, Donna, and Rose (at least with 11, she was rather needy with 10) that just had a female love interest when she wasn't traveling, big deal. So what. They chose, however, to make it one of her two most defining characteristics.

      There was nothing subtle about that character.

      If anything they avoided bringing it up by refraining from her having a love interest in any situations where it might be an issue, like the past (where her being black at a time when black people were property was something they couldn't avoid).

      No, instead, in the past, present, and future they had her bring up slavery and/or discrimination. Her whole interaction with the blue guy in that episode about the killer space suits was just painful and disgusting. I'm pretty sure that everyone in 1st and 2nd world countries are well aware that there was a period of time where people were abused and enslaved primarily based on their skin color. I'm also equally sure that they are aware that even after those peoples were given equal rights in the 1st & 2nd world, discrimination still persisted.

      If they wanted to make an episode where they went back in time and she ran into problems specifically because of it, fine. If they want to do an episode on a different planet where she does something to quash slavery, fine. Having her bring it up in many/most episodes where that is the only reference to such, just obnoxious and pointless.

      The original Star Trek and earlier Dr Who pulled off the ability to normalize such things specifically because they didn't make a deal out of it. The simply inserted the character and moved on.

      Contrary to the popular belief today, the way to fix these issues is not to constantly rub people's noses in it. Constantly getting in people's faces tends to have the opposite of the desired effect.

    50. Re:Jodie Whittaker by iamgnat · · Score: 2

      So please, tell us what your reason is.

      The Dr undergoes a complete physical change periodically and they've long made it part of the cannon that Timelords can change sexes in a regeneration. Missy was the first direct image of such.

      Just seems that if they can manage it decently (e.g. not make a deal out of it), it makes sense. It's not a "omg they have to do this!!!" thing, just something that seems like it should happen sooner or later based on what they've been setting up for ages.

      The way they are handling it so far, however, feels very much "News at 11: Talented actress gets acting job!". That kind of stuff just seems incredibly patronizing to me which is kinda the opposite of what is supposedly being projected. We'll see if they pull it off, but my hopes aren't high.

    51. Re:Jodie Whittaker by iamgnat · · Score: 2

      So you think it should be ignored, huh? What if every time you saw someone they were a man and then suddenly, they became a woman.

      First of all there is a difference between ignored and not making a deal over it. In the 10-11 regeneration Rose freaked out in an entirely understandable way, but then she accepted it and moved on.

      Secondly, there have been few interactions with characters that knew the Dr in his prior incarnations. They could easily go her whole run without bringing old characters back. If they do, again, there is a history of them dealing with it reasonably and I would argue that for someone that knows who the Dr is is going to have little additional surprise over him being a her now (e.g. they already know weird shit happens around the Dr).

      Specifically in the context of this coming regeneration, Clara has been gone awhile, River is gone, Bill (thankfully) is gone, so all we potentially have left is Nardole and he is well aware of Missy/Master.

      So beyond a "well that was unexpected" and maybe an "ooh! I have breasts!", they don't need to focus on it for more than a few minutes.

    52. Re:Jodie Whittaker by TapeCutter · · Score: 1

      In find exploding heads extremely entertaining...

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    53. Re:Jodie Whittaker by ProfBooty · · Score: 1

      I've wondered why they have so many blacks on the show, when the largest non-white minority in Britan are South Asians.

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    54. Re:Jodie Whittaker by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      This last companion, however, was an abomination of SJW-ness. Not a single episode went by without them putting some focus on her liking girls and/or (mostly and) some slavery reference. It was tedious, annoying, helped nothing, and damaged the story lines.

      Cpt Jack's homosexuality was never an issue and it was never focused on. Martha didn't go around constantly commenting about slavery. Bill was also the first female companion (at least since the reboot) that I would not classify as a "strong woman" (mostly due to her being on about slavery and being gay so much)

      It doesn't sound like you pay a lot of attention to the show. That, or you ignored how hamfisted Jack was about his sexuality, probably because you liked him as a character, and the few times Bill mentioned hers (or, apparently, slavery) you were looking for an excuse to be butthurt and made a fuss about the occasional throwaway line. Neither character acted the way you're describing. You may also want to start thinking back to the number of times companions' significant others were part of stories, or even occasionally central to them, before you worry that Bill having a date or turning down a romantic gesture from a man is something that was somehow in your face. It sounds more like you've become more sensitive to that in general, or something about this character makes you more bothered by it.

    55. Re:Jodie Whittaker by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I just hope Dr. Who treats her as an actual Doctor, not just use her to virtue-signal for SJW cred. Dr. Who's increasing politicization is really getting annoying. It's starting to feel like that guy who brings out his one black friend at every party and points to him to let you know that he's a proper non-racist liberal.

      Is getting annoying? I got annoyed enough that I stopped watching during the David Tennant years (and Billie Piper was part of the reason, I got so damn sick of her yet even after she left they kept finding excused to bring her back.)

    56. Re:Jodie Whittaker by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You mean the Mad Max movie where the title character was mainly a blood bag and a hood ornament.

      For the first 20 minutes at most, they he starts properly ass-kicking. Let's be honest, if he hadn't been in the right place at the right time Furiosa's plan would have failed by the 30 minute mark.

      Anyone who makes that criticism has clearly not actually seen the film, or even watched the trailers.

    57. Re:Jodie Whittaker by Boronx · · Score: 1

      I'm pretty sure that AmiMojo doesn't run Dr. Who.

    58. Re:Jodie Whittaker by Boronx · · Score: 0

      Is making the Dr. a woman mistreating anyone in any way? Too few roles for men, maybe?

    59. Re:Jodie Whittaker by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Heimdall in the Thor movies. Nobody gives a shit that he is black because he is a well written character who just so happens to be black. He is brave, loyal to his friends, willing to charge in despite extreme danger, one tough SOB. Nobody cares about his skin color because it simply isn't relevant to the story or the character it is simply a trait like being tall or strong which frankly is how it should be if we actually care about people being treated as equals and not objects.

      Dude, it's Idris frikken Elba, that man sweats more cool than the entire rest of the cast will ever produce

    60. Re:Jodie Whittaker by Boronx · · Score: 1

      What about Dumbledore? What about the Emperor? Nobody made a big deal about them being gay.

      If at some point it becomes important that Heimdall is black, would that be a negative for the Thor series? He is black after all, and it does actually matter in the real world from time to time.

    61. Re:Jodie Whittaker by Boronx · · Score: 1

      If you're noticing the agenda in a popular art form, that just means you've outgrown it.

    62. Re:Jodie Whittaker by Boronx · · Score: 1

      The show isn't for the brainiacs.

    63. Re:Jodie Whittaker by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, well, I'm sick of seeing almost every show with a straight white dude as the main character.

    64. Re:Jodie Whittaker by doom · · Score: 1

      You ASJWs really need to calm down.

    65. Re:Jodie Whittaker by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      One of the first things she says in one of the interviews is 'as a feminist...'

      That's what she's going to do with it. Going to be the last or 2nd to last season of dr who.
      new people will have no clue whats going on and not like it.
      fans mostly won't like what's going on and quit watching.

      Show is now dead.
      again

    66. Re:Jodie Whittaker by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The sidekick will be made a guy too.

      A bumbling comic relief guy like pretty much ALL of tv.

      And that's it. Show is over.

    67. Re:Jodie Whittaker by brantondaveperson · · Score: 1

      A lot of the new Doctors have felt like children with no real gravitas.

      Perhaps. It is a kid's show though. It's not actually written with grown-ups in mind, though plenty of them watch it. But hey, plenty of grown-ups actually read all the Harry Potter books too...

    68. Re:Jodie Whittaker by brantondaveperson · · Score: 1

      Does every male role have to be replaced by women to show equality?

      Yes. Obviously. This is just the start. You just wait until they have a female prime minister

      Oh. Wait.

      97% of all alimony goes to women.

      I suspect this AC has revealed that the real reason for his ire is that he owes a time traveler a significant amount of child support.

    69. Re:Jodie Whittaker by gravewax · · Score: 2

      Loved Capaldi as the Doctor. Just a shame the scripts he had to work with were steaming dog turds.

    70. Re:Jodie Whittaker by Tom · · Score: 1

      So if they do it now, then they can get rid of the hurdle.

      Or they could've had some spine and say: "Doctor Who is a male character. If you want a female timelord show, we'll be happy to make one."

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    71. Re:Jodie Whittaker by Tom · · Score: 1

      lets just hope they don't end up killing the show because as we have seen people are REALLY getting fucking sick of being preached at and if the show becomes nothing but left wing politics and virtue signaling? I don't even see hardcore Dr Who fans wanting to tune in for their weekly dose of Who if it becomes nothing but propaganda.

      Thanks for that. It might be the reason I stopped watching, without even realizing why. Yeah, the Doctor became less of a timelord and more of a preacher. That definitely was at least part of the reason for me.

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    72. Re:Jodie Whittaker by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 2, Interesting

      For god's sake, she intercepted peoples' souls going to the afterlife just for the evil lols.

      Who are these dorks thinking she isn't up to snuff?

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    73. Re:Jodie Whittaker by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 1

      He saw it but Loki froze him, remember?

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    74. Re:Jodie Whittaker by Pseudonym · · Score: 1

      There's precedent, given that Captain Jack Harkness was treated as an actual captain.

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    75. Re:Jodie Whittaker by Pseudonym · · Score: 1

      Well they seem to be also repainting the police box color to pink, so what do you think will happen?

      The Happiness Patrol was, like, 30 years ago, dude. Get over it. Thatcher is dead already.

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    76. Re:Jodie Whittaker by Pseudonym · · Score: 1

      Clearly you don't remember McCoy. Or McGann. Or Adric.

      Doctor Who has been "over" many times in the last 54 years.

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    77. Re:Jodie Whittaker by Pseudonym · · Score: 1

      It did come of like some raging anti-man feminst from academia was allowed to run the project.

      Maybe if you've never seen a Kennedy Miller film or TV show before. I thought it was very Australian.

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    78. Re:Jodie Whittaker by AmiMoJo · · Score: 3, Insightful

      While it may have been "matter of fact", it served no purpose in the story other than "hey! look! I'm a lesbian character!".

      Can you cite specific examples? It just seems like if a gay character mentions that they have a same-sex love interest, it's somehow an overt "hey! look! I'm a lesbian character!" move.

      The original Star Trek and earlier Dr Who pulled off the ability to normalize such things specifically because they didn't make a deal out of it.

      The original Star Trek made a huge deal out of it constantly. They did entire episodes about racism, were constantly pushing the boundaries with things like the first on-screen interracial kiss, and often it just got silly like the "planet of the Nazis" episode or the space hippies.

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    79. Re:Jodie Whittaker by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Yeah calm the fuck down...

      Oh wait, there are hardly any ASJWs here. The ASJWs are all out firing their guns or fucking their wives to make babies, not watching or talking about Dr. Who.

    80. Re:Jodie Whittaker by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > Subtle doesn't mean what you think it means. I'm not willing to say "every" without rewatching them all (which I will never do), but most they made at least one jarring and out of place scene where she had to tell someone she was into girls. While it may have been "matter of fact", it served no purpose in the story other than "hey! look! I'm a lesbian character!".

      And how many times did we have scenes with straight characters realising they fancy each other?
      Or two characters actually in a relationship and talking about it?
      "Oh god, why do Amy and Rory go on *all the time* about how they're married? We *get it* - stop pushing your agenda in our faces all the time."

    81. Re:Jodie Whittaker by TheRaven64 · · Score: 1

      Before he became executive producer, his episodes were the best of the new set. I suspect that he had a decent editor who was willing to tell him when he was going over the top, and who didn't continue this when he was in charge. Episodes written by the executive producer have been the worst since the show came back, irrespective of who it was.

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    82. Re:Jodie Whittaker by voss · · Score: 2

      One dimensional characters are bad because they are poorly written not because they are one dimensional in a way you do not like. When you start dropping buzzwords like "SJW" and "Virtue Signalling" you are using them in place of rational argument. Bill Potts was just not a very interesting character , on the other hand I loved the characters of Madame Vastra and Jenny. Im sure some consider the character of Madame Vastra to be virtue signalling but they were in 1893 where women couldnt be "naturally gay" and had to live in secret.

    83. Re:Jodie Whittaker by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Troll

      Just like the first time they cast a Scot it was because they thought Scots are weak and inferior, unable to stand on their own as the lead in a show without X years of a strong English lead to lean on. And the first time they chose a Mancunian, and the first time they chose an actor with blue eyes etc. etc. You just know that choosing Troughton was a statement that younger men are inferior unable to stand on their own as lead of a show without it first being established by an older man.

      You must live in a state of perpetual outrage.

    84. Re:Jodie Whittaker by jellomizer · · Score: 1

      Being that the Doctor is the hero of the show, creating a new character that is his equal will not be good for the show. They had Ramanna as a companion of the 4th doctor. While had higher grades then the Doctor she was also much less experienced so the Doctor could also show his stuff and stay the hero of the show.

      Your solution is trying to bring up Seporate but Equal. It just doesn't work. The Doctor character had a plot device where the actor could be replaced by a new actor who didn't have to act the same as the previous one. So a female doctor isn't that big of a deal. Male to female regerations have been part of the cannon, so no worries.

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    85. Re:Jodie Whittaker by idji · · Score: 1

      Doctor Who was always political and contemporary. Even The Green Death from 1973 has political overtones.

    86. Re:Jodie Whittaker by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you do a movie about a comic drawing inspiration (or whatever) on vikings' Norse mythology, the least you could do is make it look a bit more accurate characterwise than having a token black there in the midst.

    87. Re:Jodie Whittaker by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      There may be some episodes say where the Doctor is in the past and the men in charge will not listen to her, just because the Doctor is a woman.

      The male Doctors had that problem so often they had invent the magic ID badge that instantly convinces people he is someone important with authority over them. Of course, if the stakes need raising a bit they just forget that he has it and that week's redshirts dispose of themselves before the survivors decide to listen to him.

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    88. Re:Jodie Whittaker by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Do you write this much content when there's a male in a TV show going around being sterotypically manly?

    89. Re:Jodie Whittaker by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1, Insightful

      The Master was a rather two dimensional character, which is why they tried to add some depth and give him a chance to develop with the possibility of redemption.

      Things had to change after the Time War. In the movie the Doctor is taking the Master to be executed, apparently fine with the concept of capital punishment which seems rather out of character now. After the Time War there are very few Gallifraians left, in fact for a time the Doctor thinks he is the only one. So naturally when he meets the Master he wants to save him, but it ends with the Master dying.

      The Missy/Doctor "romance" is entirely one sided, and really just Missy trying to make the Doctor feel uncomfortable.

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    90. Re:Jodie Whittaker by AmiMoJo · · Score: 0

      I forgot to mention, the Star Trek pilot episode the second in command was a woman. Apparently that was too much for the studio though, so they replaced her for the main series. Again, it was a very overt and in-your-face move to put a woman in that role at the time.

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    91. Re:Jodie Whittaker by oh_my_080980980 · · Score: 1

      Why? They've been writing shit programming since 2005.

    92. Re:Jodie Whittaker by Ash-Fox · · Score: 1

      Being that the Doctor is the hero of the show, creating a new character that is his equal will not be good for the show.

      The grand parent was talking about creating a new show, not merely a new character.

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    93. Re:Jodie Whittaker by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wait? Emperor Kuzco is gay?

    94. Re:Jodie Whittaker by mjwx · · Score: 1

      Being that Capaldi wasn't that popular Doctor (I actually started to warm up with him this season) People are up for a change, back to a more vibrant Doctor.

      Interesting. I have to say I loved Capaldi, and I thought his portrayal was great. Some of the scripts, on the other hand, could have used another go or two round the editor's desk before being OK'd. I'm hopeful the writers will do better by Whittaker.

      This.

      I like Capaldi, but the show has just become far too stale. They ran out of ideas years ago and have been re-hashing the same crap. I mean yet another Cyberman/Dalek/Angel episode. I think the only reason I watched the season before last was because Jenna Colemen was hot.

      To keep going, they need new writers and new ideas. In the recent series, I've seen the CGI budget going up, but the writing quality going down (and lets be honest, Doctor Who isn't Merchant Ivory to begin with). I really hope this isn't a cynical ploy to make it look like Doctor Who is changing whilst keeping the same lazy writing.

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    95. Re:Jodie Whittaker by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just like the first time they cast a Scot it was because they thought Scots are weak and inferior, unable to stand on their own as the lead in a show without X years of a strong English lead to lean on.

      Their significant losses on the world markets is what lead to them forming Great Britain and the United Kingdom with England... So, that wouldn't be an inaccurate assessment that they're unable to stand on their own.

    96. Re:Jodie Whittaker by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That and Madame Vastra is a LIZARD! They're virtue-signaling to all the lizard people who run the world. Don't you see it?

    97. Re:Jodie Whittaker by gnick · · Score: 1

      By comparison, Bill has been very subtle and matter of fact.

      A couple of scenes that showed her on a date with a woman were very subtle and matter of fact. I can think of at least a couple of examples that were less subtle:
      * A Roman soldier that treats Bill as a prude for not going with men. He's "normal" - Men and women.
      * The Doctor recalling a "man crush," unable to remember whether he was a man or woman at the time. Remarking that time lords have "moved past" gender.

      That said, I don't really have a problem with it. It might seem a little forced, but it doesn't get in the way of the story line. It's just a minor distraction while they try to share a point.

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    98. Re:Jodie Whittaker by k2r · · Score: 1

      (spoilers)
      > They chose, however, to make it one of her two most defining characteristics.
      > There was nothing subtle about that character.

      So - concerning sexual orientation - is Bill travelling on with the pilot in the end of series 10
      a) subtle, maybe because it's a fscking romantic arc that comes to a beautiful conclusion, repeats "The doctor and X" and "Ashildr and Clara" and - admittedly - is an unexpected deus-ex.
      b) non-subtle, because the pilot is a girl

      If it's b) I understand subtle means "invisible, go AWAY, at least behave hetero."

    99. Re:Jodie Whittaker by k2r · · Score: 0

      > Missy was the first direct image of such.

      I think the problem is mostly that there's a group of men who has no trouble imagining a female foe / super-villain but is really challenged by identifying with a female super-hero.

    100. Re: Jodie Whittaker by gnick · · Score: 1

      I think that all that matters is whether this change reflects the world in the story or the world of the writers.

      I'm not sure this change should reflect anything other than having another actor in the shoes. It's not as if they're going to revolve an episode around the Doctor having her period or getting knocked up (I hope). I'm sure there will be a couple of jokes made about the gender switch, but I'm not expecting any major shift in story telling.

      It's difficult to follow a story with continuity depending on what decade's production you're currently watching.

      That's what you get for trying to follow the story. The only real stories that cross decades are the backgrounds of the other races (e.g. Daleks, Cybermen). The "new" Dr Whos take the stories a little more seriously than the original series, but if you're watching Dr Who hoping for story integrity, you're watching it wrong.

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    101. Re:Jodie Whittaker by dave420 · · Score: 1

      You do realise you are virtue-signalling with your commend and your sig, right?

    102. Re:Jodie Whittaker by dave420 · · Score: 1

      You'd have a point if populations were evenly distributed across the islands.

    103. Re:Jodie Whittaker by k2r · · Score: 1

      I wouldn't say dog turds but I think at least Moffat and Capaldi (GREAT doctor) knew every minute that this would be his their series and so it feels.
      There were a lot of great ideas and devices and the acting was fine - and I actually liked the introduction of Bill ("Doctor What?") and loved Nardole - but something was missing.

      It didn't feel like "We'll fscking act until we die in the end(*), this is Sparta!" but more like "Oh, I really liked this, lets finish it properly."

      * Or regenerate or are saved by a sonic twist or the pilot.

    104. Re:Jodie Whittaker by dave420 · · Score: 1

      You've just rephrased your opinion as fact and used that as an argument. You'll need to come up with something else. May I suggest "Doctor Who, the alien, has been portrayed only by men up until this point."? It's accurate. The only problem is it shows just how baseless the argument is, so I'd expect you'd not like to use it.

    105. Re:Jodie Whittaker by gravewax · · Score: 1

      I definitely would say dog turds, the stories were all really lacking, way to much feelings crap and dumb story twists that made no sense combined with excessive political correctness and trying to play up the Black/female/gay angles for zero reason. by far the worst regeneration story wise. yes I liked Nardole too and Bill was kinda ok except for the stupid focus on the political correctness garbage.

    106. Re:Jodie Whittaker by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The Dr undergoes a complete physical change periodically and they've long made it part of the cannon that Timelords can change sexes in a regeneration. Missy was the first direct image of such.

      If Missy was the first, then it hasn't exactly been canon for long, now has it? And funny you should mention Missy, because when she was first introduced, she looked promising, like she could be a very interesting character. I was rooting for her, until they dropped the "she's The Master" bomb on us, telling us all that they felt she could never make it on her own, when in fact up until that point, she was doing just that.

    107. Re:Jodie Whittaker by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I wasn't aware that there was a feminism-like movement going around for Scots, or Mancunians, or people with blue eyes. Maybe instead of fueling this state of perpetual outrage, you should acknowledge how your actions are legitimately perceived so that you can accurately counter them.

    108. Re:Jodie Whittaker by iamgnat · · Score: 1

      (spoilers) > They chose, however, to make it one of her two most defining characteristics. > There was nothing subtle about that character.

      So - concerning sexual orientation - is Bill travelling on with the pilot in the end of series 10 a) subtle, maybe because it's a fscking romantic arc that comes to a beautiful conclusion, repeats "The doctor and X" and "Ashildr and Clara" and - admittedly - is an unexpected deus-ex. b) non-subtle, because the pilot is a girl

      If it's b) I understand subtle means "invisible, go AWAY, at least behave hetero."

      Actually it's C, it's a mix. The Pilot episode was the most well done in this regard. Her being a lesbian actually fit and furthered the story in a manner where it did not stand out as "OMG! Look! I'm a lesbian!". It was just natural so it worked.

      As far as her going off with the Pilot at the end, I thought that was cheesy and campy, but that has nothing to do with them being two girls in love. I didn't like it, because it made no sense given that there was no further reference to the Pilot until that point. Here my problem (and I have the same with Ashildr and Clara as well as Rose and Donna) is that it's the forced happy ending where everyone gets to live. Life sucks. Good people die. If they don't want to show that, then keep the characters out of such situations (or give them some silly escape route like they do in every other episode. Rory, Amy, and River rocked in that regard. When they were done, they were done. No escaping their fate. Others (Martha) just moved on without the theatrics.

      There is a wide gap between invisible and natural. One being that it doesn't happen at all (which is wrong) and the other meaning that it does, but in a manner that makes sense and reflects reality.

    109. Re:Jodie Whittaker by iamgnat · · Score: 1

      And how many times did we have scenes with straight characters realising they fancy each other? Or two characters actually in a relationship and talking about it? "Oh god, why do Amy and Rory go on *all the time* about how they're married? We *get it* - stop pushing your agenda in our faces all the time."

      Amy and Rory's sickly sweet romance was equally obnoxious when it was jarring and out of place with the story. I'm totally with you on the "enough already" in that regard. Even River's relationship with the Dr got old. Most of the time it fit with the story (or was the story), but it too was tedious at the time. At least in River's case, however, it was two people that wouldn't see each other for long periods of time so a little reunion "friendliness" made some sense.

    110. Re: Jodie Whittaker by bestweasel · · Score: 1

      Here's hoping for a black transgender Doctor next time.

    111. Re:Jodie Whittaker by Eunuchswear · · Score: 1
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    112. Re:Jodie Whittaker by iamgnat · · Score: 1

      That, or you ignored how hamfisted Jack was about his sexuality, probably because you liked him as a character

      Actually I hated him as a character because he was a bumbling fool that did more plot damage than he helped. Maybe my dislike for him distracted me from his sexual predilections, but I didn't even notice it until it was pointed out to me (admittedly I then wondered how I missed it the first time when I saw some of his episodes again).

      Another difference that likely softened the blow is that Jack wasn't in every episode and I'm not even sure I would classify him as a regular. It's one thing for it to happen once or twice a season. It's another when it is every show for a season.

      It sounds more like you've become more sensitive to that in general

      Yeah I have and it's because I'm tired of it constantly showing up in such a manner.

      Take the last Star Trek for example. I saw noise about people being upset that Sulu is gay, but they executed it nearly perfectly in my opinion. He meets his daughter and husband as he disembarks and they walk off arm in arm. Maybe they lingered on the scene a little longer than needed, but nothing was said/done to call attention to it (I actually missed it the first time through). Then there was nothing else said/shown about it the rest of the movie which was correct as it had no bearing on anything.

      This is far more representative of the vast majority of gay people I've known in my life. They just want to live their life and have no interest in projecting their private lives on the world. Accordingly they don't want other's views projected on them.

    113. Re:Jodie Whittaker by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      fwiw - according to the show lore, Jack was pansexual. the doctor specifically explains to rose that future humans, by and large, humped everything.

    114. Re:Jodie Whittaker by zieroh · · Score: 1

      This last companion, however, was an abomination of SJW-ness. Not a single episode went by without them putting some focus on her liking girls and/or (mostly and) some slavery reference. It was tedious, annoying, helped nothing, and damaged the story lines.

      For my money, Bill was one of the most interesting companions in years. Your dislike of her says much more about you than it does about Bill.

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    115. Re:Jodie Whittaker by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Only because Heimdall was the "White God" in Norse Mythology (he was blonde and pale-skinned). It had nothing to do with racism. It had to do with the mythology of the character. I'm sure plenty of idiots latched onto it for racial reasons, but I'd be more inclined to believe idiots like you started the "racist!" bullshit and it blew up from there.

      SJW's make me sick.

    116. Re:Jodie Whittaker by zieroh · · Score: 1

      I'm beyond sick of this SJW shit. I won't be watching this series.

      There there, delicate snowflake. It'll be okay. Better to lock yourself into your safe space and avoid any further trigger warnings.

      mean this particular time lord is male....now they're rewriting it so gender is only skin deep? These idiots really don't think things through when they ram down their wingnut agenda.

      Your opinion is at odds with Doctor Who canon. There's nothing saying that this particular time lord is specifically male, or that this particular time lord can't change genders. We have hints that time lords can even change species.

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    117. Re:Jodie Whittaker by iamgnat · · Score: 1

      For my money, Bill was one of the most interesting companions in years. Your dislike of her says much more about you than it does about Bill.

      Please explain what made her so interesting? She is by far the weakest female characters since Rose with 9 (I do rate her higher than the early Rose due to the lack of being in love with the Dr which was just annoying). She did almost nothing to further the story and was mostly space filler. They had her be mostly incapable of taking care of herself without the Dr which is pretty much the antithesis of the female companions since Rose came into her own with 10.

    118. Re:Jodie Whittaker by inerlogic · · Score: 1

      Funny thing about Will& Grace, they used a straight man to play Will.

      John Barrowman (Capt. Jack Harkness) an ACTUAL gay man auditioned for the role of Will, but was told he "wasn't gay enough"

      as for the Doctress.... stay tuned for DW beating us over the head with feminist issues

    119. Re:Jodie Whittaker by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, no -- in the TV movie, the Master had been captured on Skaro and executed by the Daleks, and the Doctor (#7) was just taking his (supposed) remains home to Gallifrey. (Which, admittedly, was still a bit of a WTF? moment, since they didn't really explain the circumstances at all, so you're kind of left wondering why the Daleks would have allowed the Doctor to pick up the Master's remains on Skaro in the first place...)

    120. Re:Jodie Whittaker by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      Only because Heimdall was the "White God" in Norse Mythology (he was blonde and pale-skinned). It had nothing to do with racism. It had to do with the mythology of the character.

      It's a comic book, Brent.

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    121. Re:Jodie Whittaker by skids · · Score: 1

      and really just Missy trying to make the Doctor feel uncomfortable.

      ...which makes regenning as a female a logical tit-for-tat. Erm... phrasing...

      Anyway, as long as they don't run with the "sonic sunglasses" thing and give her sonic lipstick, I can live with it.

    122. Re:Jodie Whittaker by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your numbering is faulty. Chris Eccleston was Doctor #9; David Tennent is #10, Matt Smith is #11. (The "War Doctor" is not counted in this progression.)

    123. Re:Jodie Whittaker by Baron_Yam · · Score: 1

      If they're trying to represent the diversity of the UK, then regional concentrations are irrelevant.

    124. Re:Jodie Whittaker by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Capaldi was the best of a bad bunch. The recent doctors ave been far too camp. It was nice to have someone who actually looked old and wise, the way most doctors looked in the proper series'

    125. Re:Jodie Whittaker by k2r · · Score: 1

      > Bill was kinda ok except for the stupid focus on the political correctness garbage.

      If event that decent gayness of Bill hurts the boys feelings that badly I say:
      Doctor Who needs WAY MORE SALT to rub it in.
      And maybe a female doctor.

    126. Re:Jodie Whittaker by johnsie · · Score: 1

      Most of the new doctors were young trendy men who ran around like ADHD kids on a sugar high and getting off with the companion. It was nice to have a mature doctor who was somewhat more like the original doctors. The doctor should appear wise and having young people play the part kind of ruins that.

    127. Re:Jodie Whittaker by Baron_Yam · · Score: 1

      >I just hope Dr. Who treats her as an actual Doctor, not just use her to virtue-signal for SJW cred.

      Don't hold your breath. Moffat is on record saying the Doctor is a secondary character to the companion... a walking deus ex machina to enable the companion's adventures. Which is odd considering how much screen time gets spent on the Doctor's angst.

    128. Re:Jodie Whittaker by jellomizer · · Score: 1

      That is still a Separate but Equal problem. Creating a crossover from Doctor Who, usually has characters who are inferior to the Doctor, creating a spin off where there is someone who is objectively equally awesome just won't work. Making a female doctor is the only way, to break that barrier.

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    129. Re:Jodie Whittaker by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Also Ensign Sulu in the last Star Trek installment...

    130. Re:Jodie Whittaker by rhazz · · Score: 1

      And frankly, without the ridiculous media attention to it, I probably wouldn't have noticed.

    131. Re:Jodie Whittaker by Tom · · Score: 1

      In a show that has almost all aliens be humanoids, you can't get away with "he's an alien" so easily. And the whole point is that it's a show. The decision about gender was consciously made at some point. The question was asked, and answered, and is now being retconned.

      But it's not just that he was portrayed by men. He was also portrayed with clearly male characteristics, including a lot of (mostly hinted at) romances to female characters. Oh yes, and he fathered at least one child. Which given that time lords do have male/female biology requires a lot of handwaving to explain away genetically.

      But sure, you can. But then you are back at the show and have to ask yourself what you accomplish with the change of gender, does it add to the show, or take away from it. As a writer, you need to ask yourself with every word, every fact you put into the story how it supports your story, because otherwise it doesn't belong there.

      There is no part of the story of The Doctor so far that needed a gender change to make sense or be understood. No mystery was created that is now getting clear. The setup was to test the waters, not to create any story element. If you want to look at good setup, look at the Bad Wolf storyline. That was done very nicely, and while it was subtle, as soon as it happened you immediately saw the mystery that was set up, understood it, and the whole season had gained more depth.

      Don't see anything even remotely like that with this gender change. There is nothing in the Doctor Who plot or background story that makes more sense now.

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    132. Re:Jodie Whittaker by Tom · · Score: 1

      Nonsense. Firstly, I recommended a spin-off show with a female title hero. There are enough characters in Doctor Who that you could use (or could have used if they hadn't been killed off).

      A River Song spin-off, for example, or a Clara spin-off would have given characters not in any way below The Doctor. An alternate ending to the Bad Wolf storyline could have created a new character (even in a parallel universe, to avoid conflicting developments) of pretty much any power level you want. There are plenty more strong female characters in Doctor Who that could get their own show.

      A female doctor actually is a big deal, as you can see by the free publicity it generated. Also, despite the (artificially created) canon, the Doctor is a father to at least one daughter, not a mother. He is a husband to at least one wife. I cannot remember The Doctor mentioning a female reincarnation, giving birth, being a mother or a wife, or any other hints to being female before the obvious set-ups started. This is a new development not originally invented, not originally part of the character, so yes, those of us who enjoyed the character as he was can be of the opinion that this was not a change for the better. You can have a different opinion.

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    133. Re:Jodie Whittaker by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The actors playing The Doctor haven't been the problem with Doctor Who.... ever, I think. Even during the dreaded Colin Baker era it was the writing that really let everyone down. Here we have a show with a regenerating alien space-time traveller, where it is cannon that time can be rewritten, people can meet themselves, hop dimensions, come back to life, be turned into sapient plastic, destroy the universe, undesteroy the universe, and bootstrap-paradox their own solutions to problems and what do we get?

      About 80% the time, monster of the week.

    134. Re:Jodie Whittaker by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Clearly you don't remember McCoy. Or McGann. Or Adric.

      Doctor Who has been "over" many times in the last 54 years.

      They at least had the decency to kill off Adric, Turlough on the other hand...

    135. Re:Jodie Whittaker by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Only because Heimdall was the "White God" in Norse Mythology (he was blonde and pale-skinned). It had nothing to do with racism. It had to do with the mythology of the character. I'm sure plenty of idiots latched onto it for racial reasons, but I'd be more inclined to believe idiots like you started the "racist!" bullshit and it blew up from there.

      SJW's make me sick.

      And yet to miss the where they made the ginger, bearded Norse God, a blond haired, blue eyed, beach viking who use Shakespearean English.

    136. Re:Jodie Whittaker by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      For those of us who are a little older, there was a Sarah Jane Smith show.

      However, I just don't see the problem. We know the Doctor mostly regenerates into male bodies, but the Master has already regenerated into a female one, so a female Doctor would be in canon.

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    137. Re:Jodie Whittaker by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      The gender decision was probably never consciously made. We just have had a string of male actors portraying the Doctor. We know that a Time Lord is not limited to one sex.

      The fact is that different regenerations have been considerably different people, although with certain constant features. I've liked some Doctors more than others, and I'm going to give this one a chance.

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    138. Re:Jodie Whittaker by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hmmm... You must be talking about Bill, who reminded us each and every episode that she likes women. If you make an issue of it every time, you are not actually promoting it as nothing different.

      I was totally fine with the prospect of a female doctor, until it was stated that the next doctor had to be female. Making it a mandate tears it for me. If your search turned up a great woman to play the doctor is one thing. To say it must be a woman is not.

      I have not been too interested for a while now. Mostly watch because my wife still enjoys the show. I did not see many of the later Matt Smith episodes. Perhaps now is the time to finally stop watching. (Part of the problem is flat out lack of internal consistency in stories.)

    139. Re:Jodie Whittaker by Baron_Yam · · Score: 1

      Did you see that episode with the 'light vampires' or whatever and the Romans?

      Yeah, Romans weren't that cool with homosexuality. They were OK with gay sex... if you were the top. Lesbians were considered mannish freaks, as best we know.

      So no, despite the fact that for the most part Bill was just Bill, they *were* using her sexual orientation to preach political correctness garbage.

    140. Re:Jodie Whittaker by Baron_Yam · · Score: 1

      > Making a female doctor is the only way, to break that barrier.

      No, a female Doctor is the only way to inject your personal sexual politics into this particular show. To 'break that barrier' you could just come up with something original instead of altering something pre-existing.

      We've got 50 years of a cranky man and we're attached to him, and you and yours have gone and shit all over that because of some weird social philosophy that requires you to take anything other people like and mold it to fit your need for propaganda.

      It's done, you won, stop bullshitting. And if the show should fail, don't continue bullshitting and claim it's bigotry. You shit on the show's history (and the fact that it was done in stages over the last few years doesn't change that), those who preferred it the old way may choose to stop watching.

      I personally hope Doctor Who does miserably next year so it gets cancelled and has a chance at a later revival with a retcon undoing most of Moffat's work... preferably before I have grand kids to share it with.

    141. Re:Jodie Whittaker by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I thought it was a bit heavy handed when she found the lost Roman legion and had one of the guys come on to her. She turned the man down because she was gay, and they all mention that was fine, most of them were into both men and women except the one gay guy in the corner. Her response was that their outlook was so very modern; they think it's cute that she's "so restricted."

      Or when she was telling her date that going on a date with another woman was nothing to be ashamed of only to have the pope barge in on their conversation. Though that was mostly a play for laughs, so it didn't feel quite so out of place.

      Or when her final words to the doctor when each of them were heading off to their death (or so they thought) was to affirm that she had never had romantic interest in him because she was, in fact, gay.

      It's not her love interest with the pilot (or her other crush) that felt out of place, it was the other places it kept popping up throughout the season.

    142. Re:Jodie Whittaker by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      For every one of these comments, there are tens of thousands of right wingers calling her a jew commie bitch who probably loves black dick. Thanks for being that 1 in 10,000 this time.

    143. Re:Jodie Whittaker by gravewax · · Score: 1

      gayness doesn't affect me in the slightest, I don't give a shit whether she is straight, homeosexual, trisexual or into beastiality, if it is completely irrelevant to the story at hand. If you can't write science fiction without trying to push an agenda then find better writers. What the stories showed was the discomfort of the writers not the viewers.

    144. Re:Jodie Whittaker by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It actually isn't that hard at all. you simply need to focus more on things the doctor doesn't do well. could be more evil, someone with fantastic fighting prowess or military strategy, someone equally brilliant but inexperienced. maybe a series following the master. the limits are only your imagination. creating a female doctor doesn't actually break that barrier at all as it is just a cop out.

    145. Re:Jodie Whittaker by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yup. Capaldi was a great actor with the perfect face for the doctor. (And his eyes).
      The script sucked assume, plain and simple, bar and couple exceptions.

    146. Re:Jodie Whittaker by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I agree with the sentiment here, however in this case this isn't a role where someone just happens to be X. Its a role where someone has been Y for hundreds of years, they will be pretty used to it, then they become X. It is bound to have an effect on the character.

    147. Re:Jodie Whittaker by Plumpaquatsch · · Score: 1

      Well they seem to be also repainting the police box color to pink, so what do you think will happen?

      Next thing it won't be larger on the inside than outside - no more claims of "but it's 12 inches inside".

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    148. Re:Jodie Whittaker by robinsc · · Score: 1

      Captain Jack was Bisexual....

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    149. Re:Jodie Whittaker by robinsc · · Score: 1

      Remember his comment when looking at Billie pipers backside when we first met him in "the empty child" ? :) though of course given that he is alien also it may not count. :)

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    150. Re:Jodie Whittaker by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Almost as if what has actually changed is the sensitivity of people to being asked to reflect upon their beliefs...

      Parent is correct - the literal purpose that the show was originally created under was as an educational show.

    151. Re:Jodie Whittaker by Tom · · Score: 1

      12 in a row being made "by coincidence" doesn't sound plausible. The flat-out probability for that is 0.05%. Even allowing a strong bias towards male actors in the movie industry, say 75% to 25% female, makes the probability only 4%.

      There was a decision about gender. Coincidence doesn't explain the facts. Just to open one more can of worms: Reincarnations also seem to tend towards retaining the skin color. The Doctor has always been white. That one general that reincarnated into a woman was a black man reincarnating into a black woman. He was also met with a guard addressing him as "Sir", knowing that a regeneration was in progress, and only then correcting himself.

      So even in canon, while regeneration to another gender is possible, it seems unlikely and surprising, even to time lords.

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    152. Re:Jodie Whittaker by Tom · · Score: 1

      Yes, it could be canon because of the intentional injections of male-to-female regenerations in recent seasons.

      That only means it was a prepared move. It still makes it a mistake. The same way that Indiana Jones is a man and while you could make Indiana Jones V - The Sex-Changed Archaeologist (because sex change is a thing in the real world), it simply wouldn't be an Indiana Jones movie. It would just be another lousy attempt to cash in on an established franchise.

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    153. Re:Jodie Whittaker by Tom · · Score: 1

      Well said, well said. That exactly is the point. There is no story reason or advantage, it's such an obvious pandering to a single-interest group adapt at shouting everything down that even if the actress is wonderful, her performance will forever be tainted by politics.

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    154. Re:Jodie Whittaker by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      It appears that it is an unlikely feature of the Doctor's regeneration. What's the problem?

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    155. Re:Jodie Whittaker by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      Sex-change operations exist to match body to personality, and Indiana Jones definitely behaves like a man who's comfortable with his own body. The Doctor gets a new personality with every regeneration.

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    156. Re:Jodie Whittaker by Riceballsan · · Score: 1

      Honestly I have to say with Harkness, he's bisexual rather than gay, and if memory serves, it was almost a direct line between the 2 shows he was in that drew the line of his sexuality. Before torchwood, he almost exclusively hit on every female he met. If you only watched Dr who... he seemed only interested in women. If you only watched torchwood, then he would appear as gay.

    157. Re:Jodie Whittaker by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not a single episode went by without them putting some focus on her liking girls and/or (mostly and) some slavery reference. It was tedious, annoying, helped nothing, and damaged the story lines.

      You know a TV show has "jumped the shark" when they feel it's necessary to deviate from normal plot lines and become "preachy" in this manner. The writers either run out of ideas or want to push an agenda. What's more, the result is truly cringe worthy and does not age well. Back in the day the popular TV series MASH did this more than once. It happens in entertainment regularly.

      But this signals the primary problem with social justice agendas. What happens when *there is no more oppression*??

      They have to create the oppression that doesn't exist

      In many areas women have now exceeded men (e.g. college attendance) and women can be anything they want.

      Does that mean that we have to put a woman everywhere a man is for no other reason than to just show that it can be done? Apparently according to the Dr. Who franchise, the answer is yes.

      The public may be less accepting of this idea though. Hillary ran on this concept, and look where it got her.

    158. Re:Jodie Whittaker by RyoShin · · Score: 1

      They can't just let a person be a person who just so happens to be gay, nope its "hey did you know I'm gay? Because i'm totally gay, yup as gay as gay can be uh huh that is me" which I have no doubt we'll look back in 20 years and see this virtue signaling for what it is...as racist as anything Amos and Andy did back in the day because they aren't allowed to just be people,normal folks with thoughts and fears and anxieties like everybody else, nope they have to go "magical negro" only its "super happy gay friend".

      It might be the exception that proves the rule, but Law & Order actually did this. One of the ADAs, Serena Southerlyn was a lesbian but the show only gave a few hints of this until her final episode where it was stated plainly in the closing minutes. (That reveal is often lambasted as a cheap stunt, which I do agree with.)

    159. Re:Jodie Whittaker by Tom · · Score: 1

      That it doesn't seem to serve any purpose, and seems to be caused by the same pressure and/or anticipatory obedience as the gender-reversed Ghostbusters remake was.

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    160. Re:Jodie Whittaker by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      It serves the purpose of opening up the actor pool, and providing us with a new personality. I laughed my way through the new Ghostbusters movie. I thought it was great.

      It's fantastic fiction. Why do the sex roles have to be set in concrete?

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    161. Re:Jodie Whittaker by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I laughed my way through the new Ghostbusters movie. I thought it was great.

      Aggregate review scores indicate it was mediocre at best. Financially it was not too successful as a film (tie-ins and merchandising may make up for that, but I didn't find any evidence supporting that)

      Why do the sex roles have to be set in concrete?

      I don't think that's the objection. I think people are saying creators should focus their efforts on the actual quality of their creation instead of which sex plays what within their creation.

      As with GB 2016, all that focus on HEY LOOK ALL FEMALE TEAM (also, female writers, producers, etc!) didn't help improve its quality.

    162. Re:Jodie Whittaker by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      I don't think that's the objection. I think people are saying creators should focus their efforts on the actual quality of their creation instead of which sex plays what within their creation.

      ,p> I don't see that. I see people complaining because the Doctor is going to be female, with no words spent on arguing that any given male actor would be better than the upcoming one. I saw people complaining about the all-female Ghostbusters on the basis that the fictional Ghostbusters were male. The first two Ghostbuster movies certainly didn't shy away from cheap laughs (although the second was far less successful), and gender-swapping is in line with that.

      I think it significant that so many people claim that the new Doctor is selected specifically because she's female, and dismiss the possibility that she may be the right actor for the job.

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    163. Re:Jodie Whittaker by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I see people complaining because the Doctor is going to be female, with no words spent on arguing that any given male actor would be better than the upcoming one.

      That supports what I said. People WEREN'T saying a man would be better. In other words, people aren't saying your sex matters for quality.

      They are complaining that (potentially, I mean the show isn't even out) this casting of a female is for some other reason that distracts from quality.

      I saw people complaining about the all-female Ghostbusters on the basis that the fictional Ghostbusters were male.

      Not all people are like that though. I was talking on a higher level, as hinted when I refer to aggregate review scores and sales numbers. Those numbers include all groups, not just certain groups of people that you picked out that confirm your biases and support your narrative

      If we are to judge the whole only by the worst members (and sometimes those individuals may not even BE members of that group, but we just insist that they are), you are no different than Trump who says he "saw people" (Muslims) cheering on 9/11, or how illegal immigrants aren't bringing "their best people" over, or MRAs saying they saw "feminazis" and "SJWs" in action almost every day, etc.

      The first two Ghostbuster movies certainly didn't shy away from cheap laughs (although the second was far less successful), and gender-swapping is in line with that.

      Not in line in terms of quality though. Just because you copied something or even paid homage to it, it doesn't automatically make your work equally good.

      People were/are concerned that this copying is just a lazy way to make a work seem better than it really is. The sales and review numbers do seem to validate their concerns.

      I think it significant that so many people claim that the new Doctor is selected specifically because she's female, and dismiss the possibility that she may be the right actor for the job.

      Again not all people are like your "many people". "Many other people" (like, the OP of this thread) are reserving their judgment as obviously the work hasn't come out.

      Had the role been taken (again) by another cis white male, I wager there be "many other people" who'll cry patriarchy and that he really didn't deserve the role.

    164. Re:Jodie Whittaker by Tom · · Score: 1

      I saw people complaining about the all-female Ghostbusters on the basis that the fictional Ghostbusters were male.

      I didn't. I saw people complaining that someone made a very in-your-face choice of adding a gender switch (Ghostbusters female, secretary male) as a cheap gimmick.

      The first two Ghostbuster movies certainly didn't shy away from cheap laughs (although the second was far less successful), and gender-swapping is in line with that.

      But those are cheap laughs within the movie. That's a different meta-level.

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    165. Re:Jodie Whittaker by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      You say the casting isn't within the movie? Obviously the full gender swap and the secretary were a cheap gimmick for laughs. That's perfectly in keeping with the humor in the series.

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    166. Re:Jodie Whittaker by Tom · · Score: 1

      You say the casting isn't within the movie?

      Yes, I do. Book recommendation: General Semantics. Meta-levels are a powerful analysis tool.

      Obviously the full gender swap and the secretary were a cheap gimmick for laughs.

      No, you see, gimmicks don't dominate the movie. A joke is over once everyone got it and laughed. The difference between being funny and being annoying very often is simply in knowing when to stop.

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  3. I feel a disturbance in the time vortex. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    It's as if millions of fanboys suddenly cried out in butthurt and were suddenly silenced.

    1. Re:I feel a disturbance in the time vortex. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Doctor Who has existed longer than SJWs have been alive. Fans who were teenagers in 1963 get pissed off every single time the Doctor regenerates into a younger man. And surprise, surprise, the Doctor just got younger again: 59 to 35.

    2. Re:I feel a disturbance in the time vortex. by itsdapead · · Score: 1

      It's as if millions of fanboys suddenly cried out in butthurt and were suddenly silenced.

      Only because it wasn't Joanna Lumley (again)/Summer Glau/Emma Watson (insert more fan favourited to taste). They've been dropping anvil-subtle hints for the last couple of years.

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    3. Re:I feel a disturbance in the time vortex. by digitig · · Score: 1

      This fan was a pre-teen in 1963, and hasn't been pissed off by a single regeneration yet. A few of the crappy scripts, perhaps, but none of the regenerations.

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    4. Re:I feel a disturbance in the time vortex. by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 2, Insightful

      If you could the Doctor a Social Justice Warrior he'd take it as the ultimate compliment.

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    5. Re:I feel a disturbance in the time vortex. by jellomizer · · Score: 1

      Doctor Who normally has he budget to hire the Big Name actors for 3-4 seasons. Normally Doctor Who will make these lesser actors better known vs. trying to get a well known actor to boost the well known Doctor Who Brand.

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    6. Re:I feel a disturbance in the time vortex. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I know a guy who followed William Hartnell from The Army Game to Doctor Who. He always grumbles when the Doctor gets younger, and he especially didn't like the Peter Davison regeneration or the David Tennant regeneration.

    7. Re: I feel a disturbance in the time vortex. by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 0

      Emma "Logic Fail" Watson? Who would want that?

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    8. Re:I feel a disturbance in the time vortex. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Uh ... you do realise that the original Social Justice movement were Nazi sympathisers? It's hardly a compliment.

    9. Re:I feel a disturbance in the time vortex. by tie_guy_matt · · Score: 1

      I don't understand how fanboys get butthurt by this. When you ask, "how can we make our favourite sci-fi series even better?" How is the answer not always, "make the main character an attractive female?" I suppose having attractive male main characters does bring more female fans -- but Doctor Who has been on the air more than long enough for that.

    10. Re: I feel a disturbance in the time vortex. by serviscope_minor · · Score: 1

      Emma "Logic Fail" Watson? Who would want that?

      ????

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    11. Re:I feel a disturbance in the time vortex. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The Young Turks, as in the young men responsible for the Armenian Genocide, is the inspiration for TYT, a very popular Social Justice Warrior channel on youtube.

      The irony is lost on them.

    12. Re:I feel a disturbance in the time vortex. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm pretty sure the time travelling Doctor can tell the difference between the 1940's, and the 2010's, and how words have changed in meaning over 70 years.

    13. Re:I feel a disturbance in the time vortex. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Uh... you do realize that that's not the origin of social justice as a philosophical concept, right? If you truly believe that all homo sapiens are created equal and endowed by their creator with certain inalienable rights, it certainly IS a compliment.

    14. Re:I feel a disturbance in the time vortex. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Not bloody likely. If you truly believe that all homo sapiens are created equal and endowed by their creator with certain inalienable rights, you're an idiot.

    15. Re:I feel a disturbance in the time vortex. by Comrade+Ogilvy · · Score: 1

      Jesus was a Nazi?

    16. Re:I feel a disturbance in the time vortex. by ProfBooty · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Eh, I think for a fair amount of the male (nerd) demographic, they wanted to be the Doctor, a man who doesn't win through force, but through wits and snark rather than action.

      For the female demographic, they wanted to travel with a sexy, powerful man who takes them on dangerous adventures. Look how many fangirls fawn over David Teninch and Matt Smith's portrayal of the Doctor.

      I don't think the female demographic was looking to be the Doctor.

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    17. Re: I feel a disturbance in the time vortex. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Emma Watson's much publicised HeForShe campaign fell apart because it had a mission statement that promoted gender equality in the first sentence and then became blatantly gender-biased in the next sentence.

    18. Re:I feel a disturbance in the time vortex. by TapeCutter · · Score: 1

      Joanna Lumley - yes, she would make a great Dr Who.

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    19. Re:I feel a disturbance in the time vortex. by Boronx · · Score: 1

      but through wits and snark

      Anyone who gets upset at a female Dr. hasn't much in the way of wits.

    20. Re:I feel a disturbance in the time vortex. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In a way. Let me explain.

      Jesus believed in the elect and never stated otherwise. He never refuted the elect either. The elect is an edict of God that indicates it does not matter what a person does in their lifetime. Some are chosen for entrance into his kingdom after death (not really heaven, that is a christian concept made up hundreds of years later) and some are not. In the time of Jesus the elect is the entirety of Hebrews and no one else. This is why every sect of early and medieval Christians considered themselves as a sort of reformed jew. For to be anything else would be to condemn themselves.

      In later periods Christians changed their dogma and rewrote their own history many times. At one point in history they had a hard time breaking into most of Europe and get converts. Proper Jews went through the same process. The Jewish clergy dropped many laws like requiring circumcision and banning the eating of shellfish to cater to "barbarian" tastes. This was the only way to increase their numbers meaningfully as many around the Mediterranean relied on seafood and circumcision was always a tough sell. Christians followed suit and claimed that embracing Jesus as the son of the one true god and repenting would make a person a member of the elect. One of many never ending revisions of history and dogma to keep the religion alive in changing times.

      So in a way, Jesus was a "Nazi" in that he believed in a specific, chosen people to be higher than all others. He also preached compassion to those not of the elect but never ever insisted that someone like, say, Pontius Pilate could ever get into heaven no matter what he did, as he was not a member of the elect. Even if Pilate did all the things modern Christians insist will guarantee heaven, too bad. There was also that whole never-ending kingdom thing, the condemnation of Jews at the temple and during his last days and many others that Nazis co-opted later on. It's worth remembering that modern neo-Nazis are typically also christian but never Jewish.

    21. Re:I feel a disturbance in the time vortex. by Barlo_Mung_42 · · Score: 1

      Obviously Nazi sympathizers didn't make up the term. They simply used it as propaganda so they don't get to own it. People who are really working to bring social equality to all can't really be painted with Godwin's brush.

    22. Re:I feel a disturbance in the time vortex. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Things haven't changed that much. Social justice warriors still support discrimination against groups they see as "privileged". They've just broadened the class from Jews to whites.

    23. Re: I feel a disturbance in the time vortex. by Tranzistors · · Score: 1

      The toll bot was misconfigured. The stdout and stderr were pointing to the same object.

    24. Re:I feel a disturbance in the time vortex. by Pseudonym · · Score: 1

      Uh ... you do realise that the original Social Justice movement were Nazi sympathisers?

      Nope.

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    25. Re:I feel a disturbance in the time vortex. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Jesus believed in the elect and never stated otherwise.

      [citation needed]

      "Election" as a theological concept doesn't really predate St Augustine, and nobody gave a shit about it before the Reformation.

    26. Re: I feel a disturbance in the time vortex. by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 1

      I meant the silly "if you're in favour of X, you must be in favour of Y" statements where X is neither a necessary nor a sufficient condition for Y. I would think that people here actually value logic.

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    27. Re:I feel a disturbance in the time vortex. by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 1

      By "not always", do you mean "never"? Or that "sometimes the answer is different"? Because surely one could think of many improvements to DW that have nothing to with the main character.

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    28. Re:I feel a disturbance in the time vortex. by TheRaven64 · · Score: 1

      I'm sad that Sue Perkins didn't get the job - she was rumoured to be in the running and would have been perfect for the role.

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    29. Re:I feel a disturbance in the time vortex. by blackpig · · Score: 1

      Yes, Ms Lumley made a fine Doctor --> https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

    30. Re:I feel a disturbance in the time vortex. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      a man who doesn't win through force, but through wits and snark rather than action.

      I never minded when he got violent if he really needed to, if you want to see a clever guy who's afraid to even touch a gun go watch MacGuyver.

      For the female demographic, they wanted to travel with a sexy, powerful man who takes them on dangerous adventures. Look how many fangirls fawn over David Teninch and Matt Smith's portrayal of the Doctor.

      I don't think the female demographic was looking to be the Doctor.

      Agreed, fangirls tended to want to be a companion rather that the Doctor. I've seen quite a few fangirls complaining already about this announcement.

    31. Re:I feel a disturbance in the time vortex. by Plumpaquatsch · · Score: 1

      It's as if millions of fanboys suddenly cried out in butthurt and were suddenly silenced.

      That would be nice - but they just can't keep their mouths shut, and keep on talking how stuff hurts their feeling and shit. Damn Pussy, those MRAs.

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    32. Re:I feel a disturbance in the time vortex. by Plumpaquatsch · · Score: 1

      The Young Turks, as in the young men responsible for the Armenian Genocide, is the inspiration for TYT, a very popular Social Justice Warrior channel on youtube.

      The irony is lost on them.

      Are you sure it wasn't the bunch of Republican US Senators from the 1920s called The Young Turks that are their inspiration? I mean, back then the Democrats all were in the KKK (or so we are constantly being told), and the Republicans were the progressives - and more so the Young Turks.

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    33. Re:I feel a disturbance in the time vortex. by Plumpaquatsch · · Score: 1

      For the female demographic, they wanted to travel with a sexy, powerful man who takes them on dangerous adventures. Look how many fangirls fawn over David Teninch and Matt Smith's portrayal of the Doctor.

      I don't think the female demographic was looking to be the Doctor.

      They'll be perfectly happy with fawning over the hansom male companion who will not have a sexual relation with the female Doctor.

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  4. I'm excited about this! Now make more than 10 epis by MikeDataLink · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I am excited about this! They needed to do something new and fresh. This should work well and Jodie is a fantastic choice.

    My only complaint about Doctor Who (all BBC shows actually) is they don't make enough episodes per season.

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  5. you like it that way don't you by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    yeah i thought so

    FIRST!

  6. You can't have a female James T. Kirk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    and you can't have a female Dr. Who. This is another example of PC bullshit taken too far.

    1. Re:You can't have a female James T. Kirk by jfdavis668 · · Score: 2

      Every new Doctor seems strange. Yes, a woman will take time to get used to. As long as the keep the plots true to the show, it should be good.

    2. Re:You can't have a female James T. Kirk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Funny

      Yes, a woman will take time to get used to.

      your a racist

    3. Re:You can't have a female James T. Kirk by NEDHead · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Well, Kirk doesn't regenerate periodically, so that is an issue.

      You can, however, have Janeway.

    4. Re: You can't have a female James T. Kirk by teslar · · Score: 4, Informative

      Actually, in case of the doctor, you quite explicitly can have a female one. Nothing says Timelords are restricted to one gender and there are canon precedents even before Missy. So there.

    5. Re:You can't have a female James T. Kirk by jfdavis668 · · Score: 0

      *you're

    6. Re:You can't have a female James T. Kirk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You can, however, have Janeway.

      Thank https://entertainment.slashdot.org/story/17/07/16/1822209/doctor-whos-13th-time-lord-announced-actress-jodie-whittaker#you, but no thank you.

    7. Re:You can't have a female James T. Kirk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      They've already ditched keeping the plots true to the show by adding a woman doctor. The Doctor is a mad man in a box. That's who the character is. You can't gender-swap the character without fundamentally altering the dynamic. It breaks the formula and they're only doing it to try and placate the SJW crowd.

      Unfortunately they'll soon realize that while the SJW crowd is loud, they do not represent the fanbase. SJWs are not fans of the things they complain about. They're trolls looking to complain. Now that the Doctor is a woman, they'll start complaining about how she isn't a minority. Just wait.

    8. Re:You can't have a female James T. Kirk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's fiction. You can do whatever you want.

    9. Re:You can't have a female James T. Kirk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      and you can't have a female Dr. Who. This is another example of PC bullshit taken too far.

      It's Nurse Who, now.

    10. Re:You can't have a female James T. Kirk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Did you even watch the episodes done by Peter Capaldi? Absolutely shit, so sorry if I don't take your "it should be good" assurance. I'll wait till I see before I make any unadvised decision like you.

    11. Re:You can't have a female James T. Kirk by NEDHead · · Score: 1

      That's a little harsh.

        PA would be more like it, at 58% pay.

    12. Re:You can't have a female James T. Kirk by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 1

      Flashback to 1966...

      They've already ditched keeping the plots true to the show by adding a young doctor. The Doctor is an old man in a box. That's who the character is. You can't age-regress the character without fundamentally altering the dynamic.

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    13. Re: You can't have a female James T. Kirk by digitig · · Score: 1

      Nothing says Timelords are restricted to one gender

      Nothing even says they're restricted to one species (in appearance, at least).

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    14. Re:You can't have a female James T. Kirk by digitig · · Score: 1

      It's Nurse Who, now.

      Are women not allowed to practice as doctors (or do postgraduate degrees) where you are? What benighted part of the world is that?

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    15. Re:You can't have a female James T. Kirk by mrsquid0 · · Score: 1

      > You can't have a female James T. Kirk
      > and you can't have a female Dr. Who. This is another example of PC bullshit taken too far.

      Sorry snowflake, there was a female James T. Kirk back in 1969.

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    16. Re:You can't have a female James T. Kirk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You do know that they explicitly cast Peter Capaldi because the character was getting too young, right? The Doctor is a father figure to both his companions and to the planet Earth. That's part of what the character is. Making him too young made that trait seem less believable. Gender-swapping him makes that trait flat-out impossible.

    17. Re:You can't have a female James T. Kirk by jellomizer · · Score: 1

      The Doctor never really been that much of a sexual character where the doctor gender is what defined the character. Replacing the Mad Man with a box to the Crazy Lady with a Box, isn't that much of a difference.

      However being after every new incarnation of Doctor Who the personality and sanity of Doctor who has been different. I would say Doctors 1, 3, 5, 7, 8, 9, 10 weren't so much mad men, perhaps at best eccentric, but that is due to the alien nature of the doctor.

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    18. Re:You can't have a female James T. Kirk by jellomizer · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Voyager had a lot of problems, Janeway as a woman Capitan, isn't that much of a big deal compared to the other problems.

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    19. Re:You can't have a female James T. Kirk by jellomizer · · Score: 1

      Wow, you must have just been abducted by the Doctor from the 1960s.
      2/3 of Med Students are female. I am normally more surprised when I see a male doctor then a female one.

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    20. Re: You can't have a female James T. Kirk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Good, then they can write different stories where the Great Gallifreyan Savior isn't the only plot in the world.

      I've had enough of that plot that I want other paradigms for dynamic.

    21. Re:You can't have a female James T. Kirk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      HR Manager Who to you. By the way, you're fired.

    22. Re: You can't have a female James T. Kirk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Kirk regenerated into Chris Pine, with the whole franchise becoming cool and popular. Nerds despise everything cool and popular because they would do anything to be that, but they cannot. They simply cannot. You are born with the qualities to become cool and popular, and nerds are not. They're there to be made fun of.

    23. Re:You can't have a female James T. Kirk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, a woman will take time to get used to.

      your a racist

      The opposite sex is another race?

      I can see that. You are obviously also married.

    24. Re:You can't have a female James T. Kirk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I had no problem with Captain Janeway, watched fairly regularly. Almost blew the series off tho 'cause in the initial episodes it seemed more a story of Captain "Jane-Way" putting Kirk (...er, Paris) in his place. Fortunately the show improved markedly over time,

    25. Re:You can't have a female James T. Kirk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Voyager had a lot of problems, Janeway as a woman Capitan, isn't that much of a big deal compared to the other problems.

      Meh, I didn't much care for voyager. Janeway was a lousy lead. Someone like Delenn from Babylon 5 would have been way better. I'm watching some of enterprise now. I am not overly fond of the chief engineer. Why do we have to cast stereotypes? Also, Archer's continual whining about the vulcans holding him back. The episode I just watched where Archer jeopardized the ship over a tantrum about his dog was stupid. The actor is fine, but he can't make crap writing not be crap writing. I do give credit to Jolene Blalock though. I particularly liked her character.

    26. Re:You can't have a female James T. Kirk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Female Kirk was surrounded by mutineers who wanted to turn her male again.

    27. Re:You can't have a female James T. Kirk by jfdavis668 · · Score: 1

      Are Time Lords another race?

    28. Re: You can't have a female James T. Kirk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I can't imagine anything worse than being cool and popular in high school/college, then getting out into the real world and discovering nobody gives a rat's ass about me...

    29. Re:You can't have a female James T. Kirk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Could we please not? even better, could we please take Janeway back?

      Maybe they are looking to finally kill off Doctor Who; Janeway certainly killed off that timeline of Trek :(

    30. Re:You can't have a female James T. Kirk by Brett+Buck · · Score: 1

      And it was so bad they cancelled the series immediately afterwards.

    31. Re:You can't have a female James T. Kirk by serviscope_minor · · Score: 1, Insightful

      I love the irony of the utters bringing up Star Trek TOS as an example in their anti-SJW crusade. Half the purpose of that show was race and gender issues.

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    32. Re:You can't have a female James T. Kirk by AmiMoJo · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Time Lords changing gender when regenerating is canon, and not just The Master / Missy. And the Doctor's personality changes with every regeneration, as well as his age and apparent nationality (English / Scottish). Becoming female breaks nothing, it's certainly no bigger change than going from a very young English man to a mid 50s Scottish man.

      The Doctor has never really been interested in his male gender anyway - he doesn't really form romantic attachments and seems positively afraid of sex. There isn't really anything about his personality that is particularly masculine so becoming female is unlikely to alter his basic motivations or philosophy, or even the way he interacts with his companions.

      Much more likely to bring a big change is the departure of Moffat as show runner. But hay, the anti-SJWs have gotta complain about something, and no point waiting to see how it actually turns out before writing it off as trolling and predicting it's failure.

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    33. Re: You can't have a female James T. Kirk by jeremyp · · Score: 1

      Budget and practicality of production restricts the Doctor to be human in appearance. Although, in an interview on Wittertainment, Andy Serkis claimed that motion capture is getting cheap enough that soon anybody will be able to do it, so who knows.

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    34. Re: You can't have a female James T. Kirk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So wrong and so deluded. Cool and popular people have great social skills that help greatly in the real world. Contrarily to the cherished nerd narrative, the Cool Kids become the Successful Adults, while nerds... Stay nerds. They keep being outcasts, always lost in their niche interests and hollow pursuits. Life passes them by. In the end they reach middle age wondering why they never got a good job, why they never managed to have a relationship... I've seen many of them either withdrawing completely from society or commit suicide. The lucky ones are either institutionized or they have accepted their failures and resigned themselves to mediocrity.

    35. Re:You can't have a female James T. Kirk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Sorry puddincakes, but a theme of the episode where Kirk's life essence is switched into the body of the murderous Janice Lester, is that women shouldn't covet all the things available exclusively to men, because it leads to jealously, rage, hatred, and dangerous psychosis. Instead they should learn to be happy with their lot. As Kirk says at the end of the show, "Her life could have been as rich as any woman’s...”
      At no time during the episode did Kirk ever think, "Hey, being a woman is really cool. If I never get my body back, I still think I could do a good job as a Starship Captain." No, the whole show presented this switch as something as unnatural; the product of a diseased mind.

    36. Re: You can't have a female James T. Kirk by UnknowingFool · · Score: 3, Informative

      There have been three examples in the last several seasons that explicitly show/state that a Time Lord can be regenerate into a female.

      1) In the prequel The Night of the Doctor The Sisterhood of Karn could control the regeneration: "Time Lord science is elevated here on Karn. The change doesn't have to be random. Fat or thin, young or old. Man or woman?"
      2) Missy
      3) In Season 9, in the Episode "Hell Bent", the General regenerates from an older white man to an older black woman.

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    37. Re: You can't have a female James T. Kirk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Except never in course of the television show has a time lord been depicted as a non-humanoid species, or that they can can change their biological sex during regeneration. Who cares about legacy?

    38. Re: You can't have a female James T. Kirk by UnknowingFool · · Score: 1

      or that they can can change their biological sex during regeneration.

      Nothing?
      1) In the prequel The Night of the Doctor, The Sisterhood of Karn could control the regeneration: "Time Lord science is elevated here on Karn. The change doesn't have to be random. Fat or thin, young or old. Man or woman?"
      2) Missy
      3) In Season 9, in the Episode "Hell Bent", the General regenerates from an older white man to an older black woman.

      Who cares about legacy?

      Legacy also says that Daleks can't climb stairs too.

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    39. Re:You can't have a female James T. Kirk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, you're lying just to make a lame ass point. You're not surprised at all to see a male doctor.

    40. Re:You can't have a female James T. Kirk by jedidiah · · Score: 1, Insightful

      It's not so much Janeway as a woman as the woman that played her. She just didn't have the chops for it. Throwaway roles with cameo actors ran circles around her.

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    41. Re:You can't have a female James T. Kirk by jedidiah · · Score: 1

      Except Thete isn't a doctor of medicine. He's more of an engineer or physicist. Those departments aren't 66% girls.

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    42. Re:You can't have a female James T. Kirk by jedidiah · · Score: 1

      > I love the irony of the utters bringing up Star Trek TOS as an example in their anti-SJW crusade. Half the purpose of that show was race and gender issues. ...and it was still filled with painful to watch stereotypes that should get run off the air with torches and pitchforks by modern SJWs.

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    43. Re:You can't have a female James T. Kirk by serviscope_minor · · Score: 1

      ..and it was still filled with painful to watch stereotypes that should get run off the air with torches and pitchforks by modern SJWs.

      Are you one of those SJWs of which you complain? Why else would you be saying what those SJWs should or shouldn't do? Or are you just using lazy stereotypes?

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    44. Re:You can't have a female James T. Kirk by Leuf · · Score: 1

      How do you know Kirk wasn't fighting back a regeneration the whole time? It's hard to get a sentence out while doing that.

    45. Re:You can't have a female James T. Kirk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, the whole show presented this switch as something as unnatural; the product of a diseased mind.

      To be honest, it was, after all, HIS body was stolen.

    46. Re:You can't have a female James T. Kirk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They've already ditched keeping the plots true to the show by adding a woman doctor.

      No, they haven't. They haven't even aired any significant footage of the new Doctor. So unless your argument is that the Doctor would never wander around the woods in hoodie (which isn't really a plot), you can't say they've already ditched things.

    47. Re:You can't have a female James T. Kirk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You can't have a female James T. Kirk

      Um, why not? The only problem would be that women are rarely named James. But otherwise, you could have a womanizing, adventuring starship captain that's a woman. Why couldn't you? It's not like James T. Kirk spends all his time in men's clubs, or is a Catholic priest, or stars in gay male porn, or does some other intrinsically male task.

    48. Re:You can't have a female James T. Kirk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You can't have a female James T. Kirk

      Um, why not? The only problem would be that women are rarely named James. But otherwise, you could have a womanizing, adventuring starship captain that's a woman.

      Because part of the exploration of Kirk's character is his inherent maleness/machismo, and what consequences that leads to.

      There are several stories where Kirk fucks things up by being alpha-male, impulsive, jealous, swaggering, boorish etc. and gets schooled by a woman or alien - that's called character development. How do you expand the worldview someone who's already enlightened?

      When are the SJWs going to realize that making it "fair" by having female characters in place of male characters won't by itself improve anything?

    49. Re: You can't have a female James T. Kirk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      esp if fat and/or manga collection

    50. Re:You can't have a female James T. Kirk by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1, Interesting

      I always thought that Torres was more interesting than Janeway. She was a nerd, an engineer, but also struggling with anger and prejudice. She managed to have a relationship and even become a mother while continuing to work for much of the time.

      Seven was interesting too as she got a lot of development. But Torres is the underrated one.

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    51. Re:You can't have a female James T. Kirk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      EXACTLY... you can have a Janeway. Rather than usurping male characters, define new, strong, female characters.

      This move kills Doctor Who. I definitely won't be watching from this point forward.

    52. Re:You can't have a female James T. Kirk by DanielRavenNest · · Score: 1

      The Doctor has said explicitly, even this past season, that the honorific of "Doctor" was named after him. In other words, he was the archetype. But what he fixed wasn't medical problems, but much larger ones. He runs around the Universe fixing things, more like an EMS paramedic than a GP in an office.

    53. Re:You can't have a female James T. Kirk by ChunderDownunder · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Does Ben Sisko not still refer to Ezri as 'old man', some 2 hosts after she was a male, Curzon Dax?

    54. Re:You can't have a female James T. Kirk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They've already ditched keeping the plots true to the show by adding a woman doctor. The Doctor is a mad man in a box. That's who the character is. You can't gender-swap the character without fundamentally altering the dynamic.

      I hate to break it to you, but a cute quote from 2011 isn't really some fundamental, immutable part of the character. And the word "man" in that sentence is the least important part of it.

      It's also not a "plot" of a story, so I'm not sure why you get the idea that conflicting with that throwaway quote has somehow changed any overarching plot points. Can you be more specific about what plots have now been "ditched"?

      It breaks the formula and they're only doing it to try and placate the SJW crowd.

      What formula? What part of said "formula" is dependent on the Doctor's gender in any way?

    55. Re: You can't have a female James T. Kirk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh, they laid the groundwork, I'll give you that. But I wouldn't call that "legacy" of the Dr. Who

    56. Re:You can't have a female James T. Kirk by jellomizer · · Score: 1

      No not really. They have been leading up to it. With Smith regeneration thinking he was a girl with long hair, Missy regeneration from the master. That time lord the doctor shot regenerated in a back woman...
      BBC had been going a little too PC lately, a woman doctor isn't that surprising at all. There was also a lot of buzz about it on the fan sites also.

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    57. Re:You can't have a female James T. Kirk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The Doctor is a mad man in a box. That's who the character is. You can't gender-swap the character without fundamentally altering the dynamic.

      Your fundamental dynamic is a single quote from Season 5 of New Who that basically exists to sell merch and give tumblrinas something to make image macros and gifs from. The defining characteristics of the Doctor don't come down to one word in a five year old quote on a British tween's bedroom poster. Pretty sure you can be an eccentric, time-travelling alien who swoops around the universe falling into situations where a whole planet of people need to be saved without it being driven by whether you can pee standing up.

    58. Re:You can't have a female James T. Kirk by Comrade+Ogilvy · · Score: 1

      The basic concept of Voyager was superb: a bunch of enemies from the alpha have to reconsider all the rules in order to work together and survive. But the writers chickened out -- the sparks between Janeway and Chakotay was dropped on the floor, and Janeway was left to ossify into smarmy Miss By The Book who kept quoting Federation SOP while enemies in the Delta quadrant made them suffer for it. Well, that was supposed to be her starting place where reality and personal relationships draw her out into something else.

    59. Re:You can't have a female James T. Kirk by Comrade+Ogilvy · · Score: 1

      I see what you just did. Out of one side of your mouth, your claim to know what "SJWs" think. Out of the other side of your mouth, you mock them for possibly thinking what you pretend to believe they think. All in one breath, too. Nice.

    60. Re:You can't have a female James T. Kirk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I agree with you completely.

    61. Re: You can't have a female James T. Kirk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      well duh, they've been setting this up

    62. Re: You can't have a female James T. Kirk by UnknowingFool · · Score: 1

      There are lots of things that are legacy that have changed or further clarified. From what I remember (I could be wrong about this), Gallifrey was destroyed in the Time War but nothing was said that it was actually the Doctor that was the one that did it. It was known that the Daleks and the Time Lords were combatants but nothing about how Gallifrey was destroyed. The newer episodes also shows why the Doctor felt he had to destroy Gallifrey and the Daleks and how he could not bring them back without bringing back other things out of the Time Lock

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    63. Re: You can't have a female James T. Kirk by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 1

      Season 14: The Doctor is reincarnated as a Dalek.

      You read it here first.

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    64. Re: You can't have a female James T. Kirk by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 1

      No, you don't.

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    65. Re:You can't have a female James T. Kirk by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 1

      But Kirk did regenerate, as did Spock.

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    66. Re: You can't have a female James T. Kirk by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 1

      Clara's first incarntion as Impossible Girl, who interacted with The Doctor anyway, was a Dalek.

      Don't make jokes, or you might get what you wished for.

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    67. Re:You can't have a female James T. Kirk by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 1

      Except "Doctor" meant fearsome, deadly warmaker in many
      species because of word drift based on results of fighting him. "The Doctor" was the guy who will kick your ass.

      Basically, run.

      Remember every black day I ever stopped you.

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    68. Re:You can't have a female James T. Kirk by CrybabiesArePeople · · Score: 0

      Boo hoo hoo!

    69. Re:You can't have a female James T. Kirk by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 2

      LEAVE STAR TREK ALONE!!! You know nothing about it!!! They will NEVER do SJW shit like a black and a white kissing just to push SJW boundaries into culture!!

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    70. Re:You can't have a female James T. Kirk by Ashe+Tyrael · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Janeway worked as a character when she was allowed to be one character.. She suffered horribly from Writer of the Week syndrome deciding what she should be and how she should act. She flip-flopped from episode to episode between Team Mum, Hypocritical Martinet and "Professional Ubercaptain." When she was good, she was very very good indeed. She was just so inconsistent.

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    71. Re:You can't have a female James T. Kirk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "2/3 of Med Students are female."

      And where the fuck is the affirmative action to encourage men to get into med school?

    72. Re:You can't have a female James T. Kirk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Tom Baker's been talking about having a female Doctor Who for decades. In some passing dialogue one episode he even commented that "he" had been a "she" once before. Steven Moffat has been steering the show for years, it's about time he got off his butt and opened up this story line. With all the male chauvinists around here, though, I honestly thought it more likely to have a non-human Doctor.

    73. Re:You can't have a female James T. Kirk by idji · · Score: 1

      The 12th doctor was a mad man in box. The 3rd wasn't really in a box - he was an eccentric in a yellow car. I could go on.... and we have no idea what the 13th will be. What does this have to do with SJW? - Is the movie Wonderwoman about SJW? - I don't think so - I see woman being empowered and that is good so. 3 Afghan teenage girls from Herat are flying to the US for a robotics competition. An Afghan woman is flying solo around the world - that story got massive attention by my three teenage daughters. Today's female teenagers are seeing nothing standing in their way. Just step back when they come at you. The won't need SJWs to protect them, you will when they trample you. My great, great aunt didn't need a SJW when she was the first to get a science degree in the state in the 1890s. [btw, I am male]

    74. Re: You can't have a female James T. Kirk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Janeaway

    75. Re:You can't have a female James T. Kirk by Ash-Fox · · Score: 1

      No, they're another species.

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    76. Re:You can't have a female James T. Kirk by mjwx · · Score: 1

      Voyager had a lot of problems, Janeway as a woman Capitan, isn't that much of a big deal compared to the other problems.

      The problem with Janeway as a captain wasn't that she was a woman, it was that she was insufferably annoying and terribly inconsistent as a character. Heard she wasn't the easiest actor to get along with either.

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    77. Re: You can't have a female James T. Kirk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Four, the episode with the anthro-tardis and the tardis eater in the pocket dimension. He found the remains of a timelord, the "corsair?" He mentioned something about the whole man-woman regeneration at that point.

    78. Re: You can't have a female James T. Kirk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      http://tardis.wikia.com/wiki/The_Corsair

      "The Corsair, being the first confirmed example of a Time Lord changing genders on regeneration, was frequently cited in media and online discussions in 2013 as to whether any future incarnation of the Doctor should be played by a female. "

    79. Re:You can't have a female James T. Kirk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      The Doctor has never really been interested in his male gender anyway - he doesn't really form romantic attachments and seems positively afraid of sex.

      You forget so soon about River Song/Melody Pond?

    80. Re:You can't have a female James T. Kirk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The thing about Janeway that I liked, was that she was a female captain, and NOTHING was made of it. There was NEVER anything that implied this was odd, or special (well, except maybe by some aliens). That is the way feminism should be, women in powerful roles that don't have to be non-feminine, nor do they point out the gender as an impediment.

    81. Re: You can't have a female James T. Kirk by Baron_Yam · · Score: 1

      >Legacy also says that Daleks can't climb stairs too.

      You know how I know you didn't watch the old series? You're technically correct - they didn't climb, but they did float right up them in later episodes of the original run.

      And Romana was (briefly) 7ft tall and blue after and prior to taking Astra's face if I recall correctly.

      None of which makes it a good idea to change the Doctor's sex.

    82. Re:You can't have a female James T. Kirk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Part of that is on the actor. Dealing with the output of one-off writers who don't understand the character is part of the job, unfortunately. And Mulgrew just didn't have any concept of the character, so she just read the lines she was given and clocked out at the end of the day. Seeing her on talk shows made it painfully obvious that she wasn't the least bit invested in Star Trek or Janeway.

    83. Re:You can't have a female James T. Kirk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >Much more likely to bring a big change is the departure of Moffat as show runner.

      THANK GOD.

    84. Re: You can't have a female James T. Kirk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "There have been three examples in the last several seasons"

      Yeah, as opposed to decades of him being a man. The modern writers of Doctor Who have been using it to push a left wing, gay, genderless agenda and are ruining it in the process.

    85. Re: You can't have a female James T. Kirk by UnknowingFool · · Score: 1

      Yeah, as opposed to decades of him being a man.

      [sarcasm]Yes because in decades past so many TV shows like Doctor Who had women as leads. I can't imagine how men got TV roles back then. Especially in the Sci-fi genre. [/sarcasm]

      The modern writers of Doctor Who have been using it to push a left wing, gay, genderless agenda and are ruining it in the process.

      You seem triggered that writers of TV show decided to use a woman in a fictional universe. Perhaps you need a safe space.

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    86. Re: You can't have a female James T. Kirk by UnknowingFool · · Score: 1

      You know how I know you didn't watch the old series? You're technically correct - they didn't climb, but they did float right up them in later episodes of the original run.

      You know why they didn't climb stairs? It was a matter of practicality and budget. Now there is more money, Daleks can go wherever. If the writers stuck with "legacy" they don't make them as mobile as they are now. If they stuck with "legacy" the Cybermen would look antiquated. If they stuck with "legacy" most alien species would look like an actor in a mask.

      None of which makes it a good idea to change the Doctor's sex.

      What part of "legacy" Doctor Who ever said that the regeneration could not be into a woman. I'm guessing no part. But it was implied because of the time in TV where men were always going to be leads. No one was ever going to give a woman the lead in a TV series back then especially a Sci-fi one. "Legacy" is a poor excuse to not use a woman. Legacy would be the same reason why Uhura shouldn't be a black woman. Or Sulu an Asian.

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    87. Re:You can't have a female James T. Kirk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      and they've always shown the new Doctor wearing the previous one's wardrobe immediately after regeneration.

    88. Re: You can't have a female James T. Kirk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There was the episode "The Doctor's Wife" a couple of years before that, where he saw a tattoo on an arm and it reminded him of an old friend The Corsair.

    89. Re:You can't have a female James T. Kirk by brantondaveperson · · Score: 1

      inherent maleness/machismo,

      No, you see, this an interesting statement. There's nothing whatsoever that J.T.Kirk does in the show that is intrinsically male. This statement is clearly true, since everything that he does is equally achievable by a woman. Unless he, at some point, fathers a child. Which I suppose he might have.

      impulsive, jealous, swaggering, boorish etc

      All of which are characteristics that may be exhibited by women, of course.

      and gets schooled by a woman or alien

      Or a greek god, or a man, or a cloud of super-intelligent galactic energy, or whatever.

      that's called character development.

      Yes. It is. Women are characters too. That's the whole, entire, point.

      How do you expand the worldview someone who's already enlightened?

      Fascinating statement. Are all women, in your experience, already 'enlightened'? Can there be no character arc for a female character, because they are already 'enlightened'?

    90. Re:You can't have a female James T. Kirk by robinsc · · Score: 1

      In fact for the 12th doctor there is a hint that the face the doctor takes are sometimes people he met in the past especially in peter capaldi's doctor's case he basically saved a man with peter capaldi's face from the fires of mount vesuvious. In his first onscreen speech he says I never know where the faces come from but I think I know why this one i.e he saved him and thus broke his own rule about not interfering with history.

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    91. Re:You can't have a female James T. Kirk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They've already ditched keeping the plots true to the show by adding a woman doctor. The Doctor is a mad man in a box.

      Interesting that you define 'true to the show' using a phrase that has only been uttered very recently in its history.

    92. Re:You can't have a female James T. Kirk by Beyond_GoodandEvil · · Score: 1

      Now that the Doctor is a woman, they'll start complaining about how she isn't a minority. Just wait.
      Already happened, it came up on yesterday's "All Things Considered " on NPR.

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    93. Re:You can't have a female James T. Kirk by houghi · · Score: 1

      Perhaps not a weekly problem, but more of a monthly problem.

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    94. Re:You can't have a female James T. Kirk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      and you can't have a female Dr. Who. This is another example of PC bullshit taken too far.

      It's Nurse Who, now.

      With Dalek bumps.

    95. Re: You can't have a female James T. Kirk by Magius_AR · · Score: 1

      There have been three examples in the last several seasons that explicitly show/state that a Time Lord can be regenerate into a female. 1) In the prequel The Night of the Doctor The Sisterhood of Karn could control the regeneration: "Time Lord science is elevated here on Karn. The change doesn't have to be random. Fat or thin, young or old. Man or woman?" 2) Missy 3) In Season 9, in the Episode "Hell Bent", the General regenerates from an older white man to an older black woman.

      For a show with zero references to female Doctors between 1963 and 2012 and 3 references to female Doctors between 2013 and current, that's more of a "change" than "canon/precedent".

  7. Disappointed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I see they've taken the easy choice and cast the Doctor as yet another human. Was hoping for a chihuahua this time.

  8. Hillary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No no NOOO!! It was MY turn!

    1. Re:Hillary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is why we were supposed to vote for Hillary.

      And let's be honest. It's why there's a new female time lord. Not because it would be the best actor, but because it appears the mission of Dr. Who is to further feminist and social justice ideas. Not primarily make a TV show people might be interested in seeing.

      The BBC is an organization that is top-heavy with SJWs, and it's why they use censorship.

  9. Rowan Atkinson Doctor Who special did it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Every Whovian has seen the BBC Rowan Atkinson comedy short, so it has been done.
    But while it had to happen eventually and in a fun natural way I dislike that it feels like they waited so long it seems to be under pressure now. As though it is 'their' turn which spins it dissapointingly unfeminist unless the Doctor must be female for 50 years now.
    I hope they do a good job with it, but how do you beat the well set up story of #11, Amy Pond, River Song, and Rory?

  10. Re:I'm excited about this! Now make more than 10 e by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    My only complaint about Doctor Who (all BBC shows actually) is they don't make enough episodes per season.

    Because, unlike Americans, they know it will turn to shit if they make too many.

  11. Social justice warriors... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Troll

    destroy another good show.

    1. Re:Social justice warriors... by jellomizer · · Score: 1

      Well it could be good if you don't let your bigotry get in the way.

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    2. Re:Social justice warriors... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My bigotry would only affect my enjoyment of the series. But then your acceptance of the change, or even applause for it ,is not going to magically make the series "good". I would have thought you SJW's would have learned that lesson with the awful Ghostbusters reboot.

    3. Re:Social justice warriors... by Trondheim · · Score: 0

      Let's see, SJW responds to criticism by painting someone with an opposing view a "bigot."

      Check.

    4. Re:Social justice warriors... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nah. World is just tired of cunts squeezing themself into places where they are not wanted.
      If they insist on making the public domain unenjoyable - we'll make sure they are just as miserable.
      Just like Ghostbusters. Just like DJT.

      Ugly minorities and women should just stfu and die.

    5. Re: Social justice warriors... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Anything enjoyable is the target of their attacks. Sad to see this show ruined by their kind.

    6. Re:Social justice warriors... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Let's see, SJW responds to criticism by painting someone with an opposing view a "bigot."

      "Responding to criticism"? GP's only response to the mere fact the next Doctor will be female was "destroy another good show". There's no argument presented. These's nothing to base one on other than being butthurt that it's a woman. So yeah, it fits the definition pretty well. Sorry a snowflake like you gets so triggered by a word.

    7. Re:Social justice warriors... by Brett+Buck · · Score: 1

      You people are nothing if not predictable.

          Well done, you are showing your capability for independent thought by parroting the party line. That should show'em.

    8. Re:Social justice warriors... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You people are nothing if not predictable.

          Well done, you are showing your capability for independent thought by parroting the party line. That should show'em.

      Yeah, the guy saying "give it chance" to the one whose sole position was "this show is destroyed because the Doctor is a lady now*" really failed to engage that nuanced, well-founded, and thought-provoking discussion starter.

      *Sorry, my paraphrasing there is almost three times the number of words the OP even wrote

    9. Re:Social justice warriors... by Boronx · · Score: 2

      A lot of people genuinely do not like bigotry and think badly of bigots. They believe bigotry is stupid and leads to unnecessary harm.

      This is an alien concepts for bigots, so they make accusations of parroting. It's reminiscent of the difficulties the Germans had in 1914 in understanding French "terrorists." They could not believe the resistance was spontaneous and self-organized.

    10. Re: Social justice warriors... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's how they be.

    11. Re:Social justice warriors... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Which bigot? The males that are upset over the gender change or the females that are upset over the lead being male?

  12. Great Choice by WindowsStar · · Score: 1

    Awesome choice, but can we replace the whole cast. The Doctor, Peter Capaldi is alright, not great but just alright. But the rest of the cast with him are horrible. Very bad actors and just don't work for the parts. I truly miss Jenna Coleman, fantastic actress and perfect for the part.

    1. Re:Great Choice by Lanforod · · Score: 1

      Awesome choice, but can we replace the whole cast. The Doctor, Peter Capaldi is alright, not great but just alright. But the rest of the cast with him are horrible. Very bad actors and just don't work for the parts. I truly miss Jenna Coleman, fantastic actress and perfect for the part.

      As per usual, there will be a new companion. I also don't see how Nardole could come back, considering where they left him. There is no other cast.

  13. Re:People still watch that crap? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I don't know what you're talking about I enjoyed Doctor Who with Matt Smith, David Tennant and Christopher Eccleston. The only Doctor I didn't like was the more recent Peter Capaldi, I didn't enjoy a single second of watching him, though I did kept watching in hopes he'd either die or they'd come to their sense and recast him, sadly no one seemed to want to get rid of him and must not have realized just how much he ruined the role since the only reason he is leaving was by his own choice.

  14. Just Watch by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm going to go out on a limb here and predict that the new companion will be a Young, male, gay, Muslim.
    Mark my words.........

    1. Re:Just Watch by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Gay Muslim? That's a real thing?

    2. Re: Just Watch by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My college roommate was a black gay Muslim. He wasn't an active Muslim, but still identified as one.

    3. Re: Just Watch by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So he was a passive Muslim?

    4. Re: Just Watch by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He was until he threw his gay ass off the top of the building.

    5. Re: Just Watch by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ah. Sorry. Is the rest of him still on top of the building?

  15. Gender issue narrative in the announcement. by Rockoon · · Score: 1

    Notice how within the mere announcement of a female Doctor Who, the people doing the announcing have pushed a gender issue narrative.

    This isnt in response to anything public. The public didnt know yet. The announcement is telling us that the producers are insisting that there be this "controversy."

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    1. Re:Gender issue narrative in the announcement. by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 3, Insightful

      ...what?

      the people doing the announcing have pushed a gender issue narrative.

      Citation needed. The announcement showed her face and her name. How is that a gender issue narrative?

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  16. Another triumph for women everywhere! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Once every male hero has become a woman we'll finally have equality.

    1. Re:Another triumph for women everywhere! by aevan · · Score: 1

      Spin that. You also need every classic villain to be female too. I'm still waiting for the outcry to make blockbuster-budget movies with Ada Hitler (and I don't mean those fetish porno, I mean a 'serious' WW2 reimage with the Reich lead by women).

    2. Re: Another triumph for women everywhere! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Are you kidding? Hollywood would write the story to have the villain change their ways thus proving that women are incapable of evil.

    3. Re:Another triumph for women everywhere! by Boronx · · Score: 1

      ... cause women are never villains in movies? I don't see why Babe Hitler would be a problem for Hollywood, but they should probably keep the stache.

    4. Re:Another triumph for women everywhere! by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      There's one classic villain in Doctor Who with a distinguishable sex, and last I saw her she was female.

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  17. Re:I'm excited about this! Now make more than 10 e by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Wanting fresher content AND a higher quantity of episodes is mutually exclusive...

  18. Re:This is great news... now... give me more shows by jellomizer · · Score: 1

    Because it is the BBC not Hollywood. And after these people become Stars on BBC, they get hired away by Hollywood, thus hard for them to get back.

    Just look at Benedict Cumberbatch.

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  19. Re:I'm excited about this! Now make more than 10 e by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 1

    My only complaint about Doctor Who (all BBC shows actually) is they don't make enough episodes per season.

    If you think they don't make enough, then they're making just the right amount.

    Always leave the audience wanting more.

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  20. Because it worked so well for Ghostbusters by rsilvergun · · Score: 1

    I know, they don't have to screw this up. But this seems like a cheap gimmick. I'm not familar with the actress. Does she have a body of work that would lend itself well to playing a Doctor? On the plus side I don't expect them to try and go all action hero-y with her. I always hated it when the Doctor got violent.

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    1. Re:Because it worked so well for Ghostbusters by MightyMartian · · Score: 2

      What was the body of work of Tom Baker (who I still consider the best Doctor)? It's a sci-fi/fantasy show that historically (though not since the 2000s reboot) ran on a pretty low budget. Capaldi and Smith probably are the best actors if you're judging by resume, but I didn't find Capaldi all that good, though Smith did seem to fit better.

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    2. Re:Because it worked so well for Ghostbusters by rsilvergun · · Score: 1

      True, but Baker fit the character. e.g. an amusing old fuddy duddy. I don't really want to see the character reinvented. Usually when companies do that they try too hard with writers that can't pull it off and it just goes to hell in a handbasket. Dr Who's tough to write already since the solutions are suppose to be non-violent. In writing violence it the easiest way to resolve a plot, but usually the least interesting unless you've got a huge budget.

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    3. Re:Because it worked so well for Ghostbusters by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They wasted Capaldis talents. When it was just him he *really* shined. Then when they would tack on some SJW sort of companion it went totally sideways and crap. Take the last xmas episode. They had 2 *VERY* interesting characters. A superhero *AND* the doctor. Fuck yeah I'm in. Turns into as the world turns about the day in the life of a superhero that is a nanny friendzoned dweeb. Intensely dull. Most of the time the dude I tuned in to see to doing crazy things was just along for the ride and I am watching the day in the life of a companion in rando city in the UK. You can really see the actors were not really into it. With Tennat you could see he was having a blast and everyone played off that. The last 2 it seem like it was a 'job' and nothing more. Then layer ontop of that the phone it in writing going on.

      Their ratings are hurting and they are pulling this stunt to see if they can juice them a bit. Unless they can pull the writing from the doldrums it is in I do not see it happening.

      It feels like a marketing stunt. When people can see the man behind the curtain the stories are just not going to click. I give it 2 years and they 'put it back' or double down. Knowing BBC they would double down. BBC has to be the most out of touch group of people on the planet. I watched as they nuked Top Gear from orbit with a shit eating grin. Apparently they want another go at fucking up their ratings.

    4. Re:Because it worked so well for Ghostbusters by serviscope_minor · · Score: 1

      I don't really want to see the character reinvented.

      You're pretty much watching the wrong show. the character has been somewhat invented every time a new Doctor comes along. At least that's how it was in the 80s or 90s.

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    5. Re:Because it worked so well for Ghostbusters by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > True, but Baker fit the character. e.g. an amusing old fuddy duddy. I don't really want to see the character reinvented.

      Old fuddy-duddy? Tom Baker was 40 when he got the part, and more youthful than any of his predecessors. And he reinvented the character dramatically. Patrick Troughton had brought comedy to the role, but Baker took it to a whole different level.

      Every actor's portrayal has been a blend of old and new. As long as Jodie Whittaker sticks to that balance, she'll do fine.

    6. Re:Because it worked so well for Ghostbusters by serviscope_minor · · Score: 0

      But this seems like a cheap gimmick. I'm not familar with the actress. Does she have a body of work that would lend itself well to playing a Doctor?

      Why? You wouldn't have said that if they cast a guy. The only criteria appear to have used is that the new person is not a bloke. You didn't even bother to check what she'd done. Nope, it was straight to "female == gimmick".

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    7. Re:Because it worked so well for Ghostbusters by jeremyp · · Score: 1

      Tom Baker wasn't old when he started.

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    8. Re:Because it worked so well for Ghostbusters by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >Old fuddy-duddy? Tom Baker was 40 when he got the part, and more youthful than any of his predecessors.

      Yes, but he played the part as an eccentric, sometimes whimsical, sometimes grumpy and impatient man who was actually several hundreds of years old. Besides, with the crows feet and deep set facial lines, Baker's face made him look at least 10 years older than he really was.

    9. Re:Because it worked so well for Ghostbusters by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      c'mon, tell me you believe that this isn't some sort of "well, it's her turn now" move to appease SJW's like yourself who have been baying for this in just the last four or five years.

    10. Re:Because it worked so well for Ghostbusters by ArchieBunker · · Score: 1

      I watched that episode just for the super hero's girlfriend. She is cute as hell.

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    11. Re:Because it worked so well for Ghostbusters by Mashiki · · Score: 1

      Why? You wouldn't have said that if they cast a guy. The only criteria appear to have used is that the new person is not a bloke. You didn't even bother to check what she'd done. Nope, it was straight to "female == gimmick".

      They have a valid point though, it's currently a trend and one that people are getting tired of. The current state of entertainment is to push not "best people fit" for the role, but someone usually based on their sex/race/some identifier/etc for it. So them jumping to it is not unexpected in the least, but rather expected and what is actually becoming the norm with what people say outside of ideological bubbles.

      So what happens after they pick said *special person* which bombs in a spectacular fashion? The media comes out with stories and news articles blaming fans, stating that they're sexist/misogynists/racists/etc for it failing. This is then usually followed by "sudden" harassment of the actress/actor/whatever pulling a "woe is me, look at how I'm attacked!" Which has also gotten to the point where people just roll their eyes at.

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  21. Not sure... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I'm a gay man who hates seeing gay characters hammered in to a show just so they have a gay character -- Sulu in the last Star Trek movie being an obvious case in point.

    So I'm not sure about changing the Doctor to a woman just because the BBC need more diversity. To me, the Doctor is a male character, and I think should remain so. It's seems like feminism going to far (again?). (Jodie even said herself that she is a feminist).

    With Missy, they introduced the idea of a male Time Lord regenerating as a woman, so it's been obvious for some time that this was coming. I'm just not sure I like it.

    It happened to Thor too, so.I'm guess James Bond will be next.... Sigh.

    I've nothing against woman and strong lead woman characters, it's just changing something because it's the "in thing" or because they feel they have to that does my head in. Like, should Wonder Woman become Wonder Man? Should Aunt Beru become Uncle Stew in the next version of A New Hope just so Star Wars can have a gay parent couple?

    We'll see once we see her as the Doctor. I may change my mind. But for now, I'm not sure...

    1. Re: Not sure... by teslar · · Score: 1

      With Missy, they introduced the idea of a male Time Lord regenerating as a woman

      Remember the Corsair

    2. Re:Not sure... by ItsJustAPseudonym · · Score: 1

      ...Sulu in the last Star Trek movie being an obvious case in point.

      In all seriousness, I thought that was a small recognition to George Takei. No?

    3. Re:Not sure... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Even George Takei didn't want it in there. George didn't play a gay Sulu. (well, much...) George's Sulu was a straight man. It did nothing for the story, and was very much a "hey, we've a gay character in the show, for no reason".

    4. Re: Not sure... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "With Missy, they introduced the idea of a male Time Lord regenerating as a woman"... in the modern show.

      By this, I meant that I feel they introduced Missy in this incarnation of Doctor Who in order to test the waters for the gender change of a main Time Lord character (well, the only other Time Lord character, really). If Missy was completely rejected by the fans of the show, then likely The Doctor would have remained a male character. But she wasn't, so they knew that they could get away with changing the gender of The Doctor too.

      This change was a planned change over some years.

    5. Re: Not sure... by Tranzistors · · Score: 1

      It goes way back: Rowan Atkinson (9th) -> Richard E Grant (10th) -> Hugh Grant (11th) -> Jonathan Pryce (12th) -> Joanna Lumley (13th). The writer (Steven Moffat) in The Curse of Fatal Death (1999) foretold that the 13th doctor will be a blond woman.

    6. Re:Not sure... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      George Takei specifically asked them not to alter the Sulu character to make him gay, and preferred creating a new character that just happened to be gay. This gender, race, and sexually orientation swapping of well established characters that has been happening over the past several years only servers as a mechanism to make SJWs feel good about themselves and does nothing to further the cause of inclusion that these minorities groups are looking for.

      http://www.cinemablend.com/news/1532429/why-george-takei-isnt-happy-about-sulu-being-gay-in-star-trek-beyond

    7. Re:Not sure... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What, to make Takei happy? Because Sulu wasn't gay in the original series (had dalliances with women on several episodes).

      Sulu is a character. Takei is a gay man who played Sulu. It should remain separate and "recognition" of Takei's "gayness" or whatever you want to call it is trite at best and wholly unnecessary for the character.

    8. Re:Not sure... by ItsJustAPseudonym · · Score: 1

      Interesting. Thanks for the link.

      So, short answer "yes", long answer "Takei himself recommended against it".

  22. We didn't need a female Doctor by CanadianMacFan · · Score: 0, Troll

    I've stopped watching the show because Moffat killed the ideals of the Doctor anyway but I'm tired of people trying to reimagine heroes as someone new (a woman, black, Muslim, etc). I know Hollywood is pretty much brain dead for new ideas, hence the endless reboots, but the solution for having your hero not being what you want isn't to change them but to create new ones. Or did the people 50 years ago use up all of the imagination?

    1. Re:We didn't need a female Doctor by mhkohne · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Re-imagining the Doctor has been kinda the point ever since the first re-generation. The whole idea of the show for N years now has been 'OK, now we've got a new primary, how's this one different'. If that doesn't work for you, I can't see why you'd have watched Eccleston, let alone be commenting on the subject.

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    2. Re:We didn't need a female Doctor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The BBC has toyed with the idea of having a female doctor since 1979 (at least if you count Tom Baker's semi-joking announcement of his departure, in which he wished his successor the best of luck, "whomever he -- or she -- may be"). The show has always thrived on change.

    3. Re:We didn't need a female Doctor by serviscope_minor · · Score: 1, Flamebait

      I'm tired of people trying to reimagine heroes as someone new (a woman, black, Muslim, etc). I know Hollywood is pretty much brain dead for new ideas

      Clearly a fresh new idea would be to cast a white man in a leading role then.

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    4. Re:We didn't need a female Doctor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've stopped watching the show because Moffat killed the ideals of the Doctor anyway

      In which case you'll be glad to hear that Moffat will be leaving as well.

    5. Re:We didn't need a female Doctor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I'm tired of people trying to reimagine heroes as someone new (a woman, black, Muslim, etc). I know Hollywood is pretty much brain dead for new ideas

      Clearly a fresh new idea would be to cast a white man in a leading role then.

      I don't get it myself. As a SJW hater, I'd rather look at a woman on tv than some guy. In fact, men shouldn't be allowed on tv. I would have picked a lady with a little more meat on her, but oh well.

      This place is full of fruitcakes and nancy boys.

    6. Re:We didn't need a female Doctor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      bunches of cockholsters, amirite? Liberalism: making homophobic slurs popular again.

      Fuck off faggot.

    7. Re:We didn't need a female Doctor by Baron_Yam · · Score: 2

      Doctor Who was 'silly sci-fi' until Moffat decided it was fantasy with mere sci-fi trappings. That the sonic screwdriver was a magic wand instead of an actual sonic screwdriver as in the original series. That's what first made me regret I ever hoped he'd take over from Davies (who did a great job of capturing the feel of the original show as I recalled it through a thick haze of nostalgia).

      Then he showed he didn't understand the Tardis by making it an actual living, intelligent, free-willed being. Which makes no sense at all. He totally misunderstood the mariner tradition of referring to a ship as 'she'. Then the Doctor became an expert pilot who always left the brakes on. Moffat will shit on anything for a quick gag.

      Then there was the issue of pushing his "good people are pansexual" like there's no hardwiring there. Idiot. Good people don't care if OTHERS are pansexual, but that doesn't make them switch sexual orientation. That was him pushing his sexual political agenda.

      50 years in, I'm out. Thanks, Moffat.

    8. Re:We didn't need a female Doctor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well done. You've managed to forget who re-introduced the sonic screwdriver and used it as a plot-moving tool, where in the classic series the TARDIS was portrayed as having a will of her own, and the description of the specific episode that you're referencing. That's quite a feat.

    9. Re:We didn't need a female Doctor by Baron_Yam · · Score: 1

      >in the classic series the TARDIS was portrayed as having a will of her own,

      You've made the same ignorant mistake Moffat did, congratulations.

    10. Re:We didn't need a female Doctor by mjwx · · Score: 1

      Re-imagining the Doctor has been kinda the point ever since the first re-generation. The whole idea of the show for N years now has been 'OK, now we've got a new primary, how's this one different'. If that doesn't work for you, I can't see why you'd have watched Eccleston, let alone be commenting on the subject.

      Really?

      I thought it was a (rather ingenious) way of covering up the replacement of a major actor.

      Then again, Doctor Who has never been ashamed of pulling out a little deus ex machina.

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    11. Re:We didn't need a female Doctor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But why are you out now? Moffat is gone! Isn't now the perfect time to NOT go out? I don't understand.

    12. Re:We didn't need a female Doctor by Baron_Yam · · Score: 1

      > the solution for having your hero not being what you want isn't to change them but to create new ones.

      Generally, I agree... but you're looking at the wrong problem. This is about forcing a worldview on everyone else, and from that perspective the changes make perfect sense; it's not about wanting a new hero, it's about changing your old one. It's about propaganda, dressed up as 'fairness' or 'representation'. And if the show fails, it won't be because they ruined the lead character, it'll be because we're all bigots. Self-awareness is not high up on the list of traits for people enthusiastically fighting for a cause they believe in.

      Essentially, you don't get to have traditions if it offends a group with influence, and having the Doctor always be a white heterosexual male was offensive to many people in the entertainment industry and a small but loud chunk of the fandom.

      What's interesting is they actually tried to work up to this change like nobody would notice - the Doctor flirting with men, the Corsair being mentioned as a sex-swapper, the Master becoming Missy. The shippers squeed and the rest of us shrugged because it didn't *really* matter.

      But this does. Sex does change things, men and women should be considered equals philosophically and legally... but we're not identical. The Doctor isn't going to be the Doctor. Then again, Moffat already fixed that since the current 'Doctor' is an nth generation clone of the guy we used to watch as of the episode 'Heaven Sent'. And depending on your interpretation, he might not have been the same guy since Amelia magically willed him back into existence in 'The Big Bang'.

      Moffat's always wanted to do this sex swap and finally got his way. Though honestly this is more of a 'last straw' deal for me. The stories have generally been getting dumber and dumber as any and all attempts at logic and consistency were thrown out the window. Moffat's awesome single episodes made him look like a breath of fresh air as RTD got stale (and I won't pretend RTD didn't preside over some cringy Doctor Who) and failed to build on his awesome start - but once Moffat had the reins it became obvious he had a limited repertoire and (long time fan of the show or not) didn't really understand the core of the show. Why he's a BBC darling I just don't understand.

      But give me a couple of weeks to get over it and you won't even have to see me post about it in Internet forums. I watched the new series because I grew up with the old so I'm not 100% attached to it. My kids never caught the Who-flu so I won't watch just because they are watching. I'll stop watching, then stop thinking about it, and the BBC won't give a damn unless a large chunk of the viewership does the same... at which point it'll be too late anyway.

    13. Re:We didn't need a female Doctor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I cant wait until they introduce the sonic vibrator

    14. Re:We didn't need a female Doctor by CanadianMacFan · · Score: 1

      It's not so much about the Doctor becoming a woman because I gave up on the series already. I got tired of the Doctor not being what made the Doctor really great in the first place. That started back with Smith and really started to show when the Doctor and Rory went looking for Amy. When the Cybermen couldn't help them then they just decided to blow up the fleet. I know the Cybermen are evil but the Doctor is always supposed to give them a chance to stop before being stopped. It was that idealistic part where the Doctor would even put risk his own life for his enemy until left with no choice that I admired. Then along came Matt Smiths incarnation and he starts blowing up enemies with much less hesitation.

      At least I get to enjoy the previous Doctors via Big Finish and their audio dramas. Some great stories and the Doctors are still true to form.

      I just don't see the attraction of changing the heroes to be more politically correct. They still have all of the history behind them. To me a new hero with a new story is much more appealing. We never found out what happened to the Doctor's daughter. There are lots of possibilities to introduce a new character in the universe. Changing the gender or race of a character, to me at least, feels like changing the name of a building when you find out something about that persons' history.

  23. Excited, if they do it right by grasshoppa · · Score: 4, Informative

    The Doctor was never about his gender, so switching it up shouldn't be cause for alarm.

    However, as another poster mentioned, let's just hope this doesn't result in the writers going on a full "Patriarchy" writing binge, where the Doctor saves women from the evils of men in every episode.

    There's so much potential for fun with the gender switch, I just hope they exploit that instead of going all "WOMENZ RULEZ THE WORLDSS!@!!!!1".

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    1. Re:Excited, if they do it right by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I disagree, clearly had you watched all Doctor Who episodes since Hartnell like I have you would not make that statement.

      But we live in a different time, and culture trumps everything except economics. So - viewers will enjoy it or vote with their money.

    2. Re:Excited, if they do it right by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      where the Doctor saves women from the evils of men in every episode.

      as opposed to the 1970's when it was "the Doctor saves women from the evils of Daleks" in every episode.

    3. Re:Excited, if they do it right by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      not even close. There generally was one story per season about the Daleks. Since the show was more serialized back then, a story usually consisted of 4-6 25 minute episodes. There were 4 seasons during the 70's that didn't have any Daleks in them at all.

    4. Re:Excited, if they do it right by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm pretty sure that they did it for two reasons:

      1) It opens up some cool storytelling options.
      2) People were screaming that they couldn't.

  24. Re:People still watch that crap? by iamgnat · · Score: 1

    The only Doctor I didn't like was the more recent Peter Capaldi, I didn't enjoy a single second of watching him

    I tend to agree. I think they were trying to make him a throw back to the original character, but it never worked out. He is a good actor so I suspect they just never got the story quite worked out that well.

    It could also be that there was no real overarching story like Tennent (Bad Wolf) and Smith (the crack) had to help tie things together. The best Peter had was Missy, but that didn't really tie anything together and the episodes just felt like disconnected adventures with no greater meaning.

    So I too am glad for X-Mas to come so we can put the unfortunate 12th Dr behind us.

  25. Inequality replacing inequality by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Doctor Who's new showrunner said the 13th Doctor was always going to be a woman

    Yes, it's true all the previous Doctors have been male.

    But if they were striving for true equality, they wouldn't simply commit to having a female Doctor. They would say, "we're going to pick the best person for the role... whether they are male or female is irrelevant."

  26. Doctor How? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How is she the 13th Doctor? She should be the 14th. Capaldi was 13th.

    1. Re: Doctor How? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Itâ(TM)s an attempt to rewrite his story

    2. Re:Doctor How? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I see you believe Eleven was a vain man who kept the body of Ten for two regenerations. Ten did say, "I don't want to go." Of course Capaldi's Doctor said the same, and look, he's changing anyway.

    3. Re: Doctor How? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The Master received a new set of regenerations already, and Rassilon said the same had been done for The Doctor. Time Lord science is all wibbly wobbly bullshit.

    4. Re: Doctor How? by Tomahawk · · Score: 1

      Star Wars style counting...?

      Also, the War Doctor isn't numbered.

    5. Re:Doctor How? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I see you believe Eleven was a vain man who kept the body of Ten for two regenerations. Ten did say, "I don't want to go." Of course Capaldi's Doctor said the same, and look, he's changing anyway.

      If you count David Tennant as two incarnations, then Jodie Whittaker would be the 15th!

      They had to "refill" Matt Smith's regeneration pills, which are supposed to run out at #12. That makes Capaldi #13, Tennant #11, Eccleston #10, even though he was called the Ninth because at that time no one knew about John Hurt, #9.

      I guess timey-wimey getting all wibbly-wobbly is par for the course.

    6. Re: Doctor How? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Also, the War Doctor isn't numbered.

      Grumble grumble.

    7. Re: Doctor How? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Agreed

  27. Re:Good Lord by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I second the motion

  28. Re:So far everything is happening just as I expect by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'll give you 5 bucks for it. I would use my low UID to amaze my friends.

  29. I'm less irritated than I would have been by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I have lost interest in the doctor years ago as it started to morph into UK's superhero / mythology show. Harry Potter seems to have contributed to the sonic screwdriver becoming more of a WAND as well.

    I suppose they will have to compensate and will make it worse while they go over the top to shoe how PC they are?

    They could simply stop having the assistants be helpless woman needing help -- maybe a man assistant who is extra helpless... and have nothing gay about two men... but sex change for the doctor? WTF? .

  30. Perfect! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The 14th Time Lord needs to be a minority and in terms of gender the good doctor should be transsexual. He/she/it should have been born with male genitalia but should have transitioned to a femal without the desire to have surgery to change his (now her) penis to a vagina. He/she/it should be gay so even though he/she/it looks like a female (with a wang) he/she/it should be sexually attracted to men. Then we can change the name of the show from âoeDr. Whoâ to âoeDr. Gender Nonconformistâ

  31. Does anyone watch this any longer? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Really. Does anyone care? I had been a Whovian for nearly 40 years but stopped watching Dr. Who when the Doctor started having sex with anything the moved. Homosexuality is one thing but other creatures such as lizards and such is just plain sick

    Dr. Who performs a beastiality act will probably the premier episode for a lesbian doctor.

  32. still not what the doctor wanted by John+Bodin · · Score: 5, Funny

    A GINGER!

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    1. Re:still not what the doctor wanted by Gravis+Zero · · Score: 3

      still not what the doctor wanted... A GINGER!

      There's a reason for that. You see, the energy contained within a Time Lord is their soul and as we all know gingers have no souls which is why you never see a ginger Time Lord. ;)

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    2. Re:still not what the doctor wanted by John+Bodin · · Score: 1

      You are actually the second person to say that in reply. The first was on Facebook when I replied the same way to his post about her.

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    3. Re:still not what the doctor wanted by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No one can ever really love a ginger

  33. Re:So far everything is happening just as I expect by Barefoot+Monkey · · Score: 1

    Getting a low UID is certainly one use for a TARDIS.

  34. next question by tie_guy_matt · · Score: 1

    Is River Song coming back too? Should be interesting.

  35. Called it 2 doctors ago... by argStyopa · · Score: 0, Troll

    ...And I'll call this one for the record: next will be a minority, the following one will be transgender.
    There will never again be a white, male Dr Who.

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    1. Re:Called it 2 doctors ago... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Called it 2 doctors ago...

      ...And I'll call this one for the record: next will be a minority, the following one will be transgender.
      There will never again be a white, male Dr Who.

      You called it two Doctors ago and have been wrong twice, so now that it's eventually a woman you take credit? Do you write horoscopes for a living?

    2. Re:Called it 2 doctors ago... by sysrammer · · Score: 1

      Eventually it'll be re-visioned into "Dr. What".

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    3. Re:Called it 2 doctors ago... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The concept of transgender doesn't apply to the Doctor. The Doctor is a shapeshifter and transgender applies only to those who are unable to change their shape.

    4. Re:Called it 2 doctors ago... by argStyopa · · Score: 1

      No, two doctors ago I said that the next doctor, and the following doctor would be white men, but subsequently the BBC would have to cave to the SJW lobby and (if Dr Who was continuing) the following one would be female.
      I'm posting my newest prediction here for retrieval & vindication when the subsequent doctors are as predicted.

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    5. Re:Called it 2 doctors ago... by CrybabiesArePeople · · Score: 0

      Boo hoo hoo!

    6. Re:Called it 2 doctors ago... by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      2 Doctors ago you called "there will be another two white, male doctors, and then a woman"?

      Or did you just make a vague prediction that one day there would be a female doctor, knowing that eventually the unbroken run of male doctors might come to and end eventually and if it didn't well no-one is doing to remember some random comment posted by argStyopa on Slashdot.

      Anyway, I bookmarked your comment. In ~8 years time we can see if you are right.

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  36. from crazy madman in a box by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    to crazy lady in a box - will she now keep cats?

  37. Re:So far everything is happening just as I expect by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Dude just bought if for $500! Damned if he's gonna let it go for under that.

  38. Re:I'm excited about this! Now make more than 10 e by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

    The real reason is that British TV shows tend to be written by the show creators, a relatively small team. In the US the creators outline the plot and characters, but most of the episodes are written by others. Lots of others in fact, and different groups for each episode.

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  39. Given Bill it seems unlikely by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I just hope Dr. Who treats her as an actual Doctor, not just use her to virtue-signal for SJW cred.

    I hope so too but given that the last series contained a two-dimensional companion whose only known character feature was that she was a lesbian which came up multiple times (in contrast to most other companions where their sexuality was not known) it seems very unlikely that the writers are going to be capable of this.

    1. Re: Given Bill it seems unlikely by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What are you talking about? We have seen the sexuality of just about every companion, at least since the reboot:

      Rose and Mickey, Rose and 10, Roseâ(TM)s mom being a total cougar
      Jack Harkness had the hots for everyone
      Martha had the hots for 10
      Donna was getting married when the Doctor first met her
      Amy and Rory, Amy having a thing for 11.

      Canâ(TM)t speak much to 12 since I havenâ(TM)t really cared for the show the last few seasons. I donâ(TM)t know how blatant theyâ(TM)ve been about lesbianism, but you canâ(TM)t say They didnâ(TM)t show off the sexuality of the others.

  40. It Demeans Women by Trondheim · · Score: 0

    So in the Dr. Who Universe, this particular Gallifreyan regenerates 12 times into a male. But poof! Number 13 is a woman! Kind of stretches the suspension of disbelief a bit. If viewed through the lens that any Gallifreyan can regenerate into either a male or female, then why only one out of 13 for this particular Gallifreyan? Does the lack of "diversity" in regenerations indicate that Gallifreyan DNA favors males?

    Back in the real world, many will view this as preachy SJW fodder, and the show will now always have that hanging over it. I refused to watch the last season because of their introduction of a homosexual companion, which I feared would be nothing more than SJW virtue signalling. Reading over the comments here, apparently that's exactly what happened.

    Now that they've had their "token" homosexual, the BBC now has to have their "token" woman take on the Doctor's mantle. What's next, a transgender Doctor?

    1. Re:It Demeans Women by DanielRavenNest · · Score: 1

      > then why only one out of 13 for this particular Gallifreyan?

      Because the TARDIS chameleon circuit was stuck all this time, and interfered with the regeneration. The boost of regeneration energy from the Time Lords has now unstuck it, and we can hope the TARDIS will now appear as something other than a blue box from time to time.

      (that makes as much sense as any other explanation in a science fiction series that makes it up as it goes along)

    2. Re:It Demeans Women by Comrade+Ogilvy · · Score: 1

      So in the Dr. Who Universe, this particular Gallifreyan regenerates 12 times into a male. But poof! Number 13 is a woman! Kind of stretches the suspension of disbelief a bit. If viewed through the lens that any Gallifreyan can regenerate into either a male or female, then why only one out of 13 for this particular Gallifreyan? Does the lack of "diversity" in regenerations indicate that Gallifreyan DNA favors males?

      Canon already addressed your question.

      #12 explicitly says that his exact face was chosen as a reminder about a human he saved (a character also played by Peter Capaldi), at the urging of Donna when he was leaving all to die in Pompeii. So, no, it is not random, even if it is not necessarily controllable.

      So the answer to your question is that some part of The Doctor presumably "decided" to be female at this moment in time. For whatever reason, he did not decide so before. It could just be a matter of habit that some Gallifreyans form.

    3. Re:It Demeans Women by Boronx · · Score: 1

      The Dr. Isn't real. They aren't violating Timelord genetics by making the Dr. female. Consider it an artistic reinterpretation.

    4. Re:It Demeans Women by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What's next, a transgender Doctor?

      Rocky Horror Picture Show.

    5. Re:It Demeans Women by brantondaveperson · · Score: 1

      Kind of stretches the suspension of disbelief a bit.

      Completely. Unlike that whole time-travel thing. Maybe you're right about time lord DNA favoring male regenerations. Maybe it's because this show, like all others, reflects the time in which it is made, and it's only fairly recently that the world has grown up enough to realise that hero characters do not have to be guys the whole time.

      Back in the real world, many will view this as preachy SJW fodder, and the show will now always have that hanging over it

      No. Back in the real world, this show is watched by children, and trust me when I say that children will, literally, not care at all that the character is now a woman, because children are quite alot less set in their ways than you appear to be.

      I refused to watch the last season because of their introduction of a homosexual companion

      Completely. Unlike that other homosexual character that they already had several seasons ago. In point of fact, Bill's sexuality was referenced far less than, say, Amy's, since Bill hasn't even had a girlfriend, and Amy actually got married.

    6. Re: It Demeans Women by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's a transvestite from Transexual, Transylvania-a-a-a-ah. Not a transgender.

  41. Re:I'm excited about this! Now make more than 10 e by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Unfortunately, they appeared to reach the "too many" point about two seasons ago. I think we have now reached the Colin Baker era again. Time for a hiatus and reset.

  42. About time by Barefoot+Monkey · · Score: 1

    The question on whether the Doctor is capable of regenerating into a woman has been one of those little mysteries about the character that has gone on for decades. He was originally male and every single time he regenerated he came back as another man. 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, war, 9, 10, meta-crisis (yes, it was sort of a cloning rather than a regular regeneration, but it still cost a life and was part Donna so it could have justifiably have gone either way), 11, 12 - that's 13 regenerations in a row, all men. It was confirmed in The Doctor's Wife it was confirmed that Time Lords can change sex when they regenerate, but at the same time it also confirmed that individual Time Lords can have a certain trait that persists through every regeneration, leaving open the possibility of the Doctor in particular being necessarily male. I suppose there's some appeal to having some long-standing mysteries about the Doctor, but in my opinion that one had more than enough of a run and needed to make way to allow the producers to pick whatever act(o)r(ess) they like best for the part.

    I hope they have a bit of fun with the reveal, like the Doctor rushing to a mirror, staring wide-eyed at her reflection and saying something like: "I can't believe it. I'm... STILL not ginger? Come on!"

    1. Re:About time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The question on whether the Doctor is capable of regenerating into a woman has been one of those little mysteries about the character that has gone on for decades.

      No it hasn't. It hasn't gone on for more than 5 or so years, since RTD started to push the idea of gender swapping. For decades it was never even a thought. There was never any mention of Time Lords or Time Ladies switching genders. Every TL we ever saw regenerate stayed the same gender for 50 years, from 1963 until 2014.

  43. Risky? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What would be risky about it? Yes. The doctor has always been male, it takes awhile for a new doctor to feel like the doctor and that is challenging enough with another male. Since the reason is undoubtedly the same as the implication behind whether or not it is risky, sexist feminist extremists pretending anyone else CARES about the junk of the person stepping into most any role or position as an excuse to make sure men can't face an even shot at important and public positions, it is certainly annonying, but hardly risky.

  44. Re:So far everything is happening just as I expect by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Getting a low UID is certainly one use for a TARDIS.

    I would do this first before going back in time to kill Thomas Edison.

  45. Cultural appropriation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That's what this is : incapable of creating interesting female characters in SF, they need to steal male ones :-)

    1. Re:Cultural appropriation by oh_my_080980980 · · Score: 1

      MOD UP!

      In a nutshell. Lazy writers that can't write a decent female lead so they decided to appropriate an established character.

  46. Star Trek better that Dr Who for this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    True, but Star Trek has a far better format to deal with and present social issues than Doctor Who does. It has humans struggling to grasp and then deal with similar issues to those we face today but in a completely different setting so that we can look at it with a fresh perspective. Some of the best episodes had morally ambiguous endings where nobody was quite sure that they had done the right thing.

    Doctor Who, on the other hand, is a lighthearted, action-packed jaunt with a kindly alien. There is far less scope to really present and explore social issues and there is very little moral ambiguity. The focus of the show has always been on entertainment and not pushing a social agenda. The most recent gender change on the show - Master to Missy - was a complete flop. Missy was about as scary as a strict school teacher and the recent openly gay companion was so two dimensional it was laughable - about the only thing we knew about her character was that she was a lesbian which kept coming up again and again and again foro no reason that to push a social agenda.

    Star Trek could make you re-evaluate your position on a social issue. All Doctor Who's treatment will do is entrench the people you want to reach further by pissing them off that their favourite show has been sacrificed to "political correctness gone mad". Save the SJW stuff for shows like Star Trek, let Doctor Who be a bit of non-controversial fun.

  47. Nurse Who by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Well they seem to be also repainting the police box color to pink, so what do you think will happen?

    They could even rename the show "Nurse Who".

    1. Re:Nurse Who by Pseudonym · · Score: 1

      The Doctor could regenerate as Rory, you mean?

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  48. not surprised tbh by gph1972 · · Score: 2

    This show has been going downhill for sometime, no surprise that they are trying a female doctor now. I mean it worked so well for the Ghostbusters reboot, surely it will be a smashing success for Dr. Who. I have my serious doubts that any actor, male or female could rescue this show.

  49. The Real Question... by Tulsa_Time · · Score: 1

    Can she jump high enough over the Shark to avoid getting hurt...

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    1. Re:The Real Question... by oh_my_080980980 · · Score: 1

      LMOL...should be able to since the show has been on a downward trajectory...

  50. Expect a spoof of Doctor Who to be coming soon. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There will be a box like the TARDIS, but the show will take you in directions you've wished Dr. Who would take for 30 years now.

  51. Politically correct nonsense by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Next the BBC will do a series of Sharon Holmes then Jane Bond followed by Bitch Cassidy...

  52. Remember Captain Janeway? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    The one that made it feel like you werte being lectured by your mother every episode?

    1. Re:Remember Captain Janeway? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The one that made it feel like you werte being lectured by your mother every episode?

      yeah, when women go out of their way to be "strong" they end up focusing on the worst aspects of male stereotypes and amplifying them, in the same way that gay queens copy the narcissism of women and end up with these fragile hysterical basic caricatures that suck all the air out of the room.

  53. Career Killer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    10 years from you will see "Where Are They Now" The Thirteenth Doctor Who.

  54. Re:I'm excited about this! Now make more than 10 e by boarder8925 · · Score: 1

    Because, unlike Americans, they know it will turn to shit if they make too many.

    Moffat did a good job of turning the show to shit during Series 6 and 7 and the fiftieth-anniversary specials.

    And wouldn't you know it -- he's Scottish.

  55. ALready sucked. What's the point. by satan666 · · Score: 0

    Capaldi already sucked and I stopped watching. SJW and PC will kill the show for good. Good riddance.

  56. Re:This is great news... now... give me more shows by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

    This sucks. Why the fuck do they got to go and ruin a perfectly good thing? The doctor is a MAN and always has been. If they want a woman, they should have made a Doctor Who spinoff or something. Better yet, maybe they could try creating something entirely new and unrelated.

  57. Re:This is great news... now... give me more shows by TapeCutter · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Nope, Doctor is an alien, not a man.

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  58. The best thing about this by H0p313ss · · Score: 1, Insightful

    The best thing about this is the whiny men complaining.

    Time to grow a pair guys and join the 21st century.

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    1. Re:The best thing about this by oh_my_080980980 · · Score: 1

      Because women aren't complaining...somebody likes to be patronized....

  59. Re:This is great news... now... give me more shows by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    > Nope, Doctor is an alien, not a man.

    A Time LORD, not a TIme Lady!

  60. Re:This is great news... now... give me more shows by Shoten · · Score: 0

    > Nope, Doctor is an alien, not a man.

    A Time LORD, not a TIme Lady!

    They've been called "Time Lords" thus far because their incarnations have all been men. The very fact that there is already a feminine equivalent to "lord" implies that there's nothing odd about there being a "Time Lady."

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  61. Re: This is great news... now... give me more show by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    >They've been called "Time Lords" thus far
    >because their incarnations have all been
    >men.

    One word:

    Missy!

  62. What about the Daaleks? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

    What if they use their toilet plungers to rape the Doctor? Tjat would be awesome. Seeing a toilet plunger ripping up throug her uterus

    1. Re:What about the Daaleks? by Beyond_GoodandEvil · · Score: 1

      What if they use their toilet plungers to rape the Doctor?
      Did you used to work in the NYPD?

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  63. Re:People still watch that crap? by Boronx · · Score: 1

    I think OP means the show is pretty dumb.

  64. Re:This is great news... now... give me more shows by arglebargle_xiv · · Score: 3, Funny

    Given that the Master has already appeared as a part-female character, it's just a small step for the Doctor to go all the way... "they're not breasts, they're Dalek bumps!".

  65. rofl by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I thought it will be Dr Trump the science guy lol...

  66. FOURTEENTH Re:Jodie Whittaker by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    WHY is everyone ignoring John Hurt (RIP)? Capaldi was the 13th Doctor. They even mention it in The Day of The Doctor and show all 12 with Hurt standing there next to Matt Smith.

  67. First episode. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The Lady Doctor spends the entire time redecorating the Tardis interior. Second episode is blogging on Jezebel about male privilege.

  68. Re:This is great news... now... give me more shows by Tranzistors · · Score: 1

    Oh, you cheeky bastard! Mod this up!

  69. nah, gone already by Tom · · Score: 1

    With Capaldi, my interest in Doctor Who somehow plummeted. I can't even say why. I was a big, big fan of Christopher Eccleston and David Tennant. While Matt Smith was ok, I felt he was already a step down from Tennant, and I never warmed to Capaldi.

    That's why I would've been outraged had they made The Doctor change gender at the 12th incarnation, but now it's just one more reason not to watch the show anymore.

    Why? Because it's forced. It's an obvious deviation from the character development for no reason at all except submission to feminist outcry.

    But hey, maybe the next Wonder Woman can be a man? It's not about gender, right? Of course it is about gender. We are human beings. Gender is one if not the first thing we notice about another human being, instinctively. There is nothing that is not about gender. Let's stop pretending that the sky is yellow and pigs fly. Doctor Who is a male character, and that is a part of who he is, just like him having two hearts. Gender is not some random biological detail that you can change like a hat. Any biologist can tell you that its effects on the body go beyond primary and secondary sex organs. Its effect on the mind are less clear, research is ongoing, but nobody with any knowledge on the matter would claim that there are none.

    To change the gender of the character is to make him another character. And that's total bullshit in a series named after its character. They could've made a spin-off with a female doctor, a different character, and that would've been completely fine. I probably would've watched it. Or a spin-off based on River Song or Idris or even on Missy.

    But hey, let's wait for the Wonder Woman movie starring Orlando Bloom and we'll see what all the people now shouting me down with "gender doesn't matter" will say then. :-)

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    1. Re:nah, gone already by Baron_Yam · · Score: 1

      >With Capaldi, my interest in Doctor Who somehow plummeted. I can't even say why.

      Electric guitar and sonic sunglasses?

      Capaldi's performances were great (the manic energy, the unironic arrogance especially when confronting arrogance, the lecturing and the running, even a slight bit of 'alienness'). I bought him as the Doctor... it was the material that sucked.

      Take a look at 'Kill the Moon' - the Moon is a space dragon egg, containing a space dragon that somehow breathes and flies in vacuum, is born pregnant, and can immediately lay an egg bigger than itself... oh, and the Doctor's willing to let the whole Earth burn or the unborn dragon die on the decision of an uninformed companion.

      Seriously, who writes this shit?

    2. Re:nah, gone already by Tom · · Score: 1

      Yeah, Kill the Moon was written on drugs, that much is clear. But no, it was the performance of Capaldi that put me off. Not that it is bad in any way. It just... doesn't fit. Not for me.

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  70. Re:I'm excited about this! Now make more than 10 e by Tranzistors · · Score: 1

    British TV shows tend to be written by the show creators, a relatively small team

    I should add that roughly half of Doctor Who episodes are written by “guest writers”, but Doctor Who is not a typical British TV example.

  71. Re:This is great news... now... give me more shows by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 1

    OK, he's a wer.

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  72. Sexist by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Time to grow a pair guys and join the 21st century.

    Wow. What a Sexist thing to say...

    1. Re:Sexist by H0p313ss · · Score: 1

      Time to grow a pair guys and join the 21st century.

      Wow. What a Sexist thing to say...

      Try harder

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  73. Looking forward by NoZart · · Score: 1

    to the next date with River Song :D

  74. I don't mind a woman doctor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I don't mind a woman doctor as long as it doesn't become a queer-fest like Torchwood

  75. Re: This is great news... now... give me more sho by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Another for you: Romana

  76. Pamela Anderson by CanEHdian · · Score: 1

    Too bad they weren't able to get Pamela Anderson for the role; scheduling conflicts. She's be playing the lead role in the re-imagination of the Blade movies (all 3 of them, and maybe a fourth).

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  77. Re:This is great news... now... give me more shows by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Romana would tend to disprove that assertion.

  78. Get a life by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    All this crap is just stuff made up by writers and you guys argue like this crap is real life. No wonder the real world ridicules nerds.

  79. What's with the BBC's social agenda? by sabbede · · Score: 0
    I don't like it. Diversity gone stupid is ruling their programming. It's like half their characters have to be gay, and every ethnic minority has to be represented before a script is approved.

    The UK is 92% white. LGBT folks make up between 2-10% of any population. These are facts.

    I watch for entertainment, not to have some loudmouth with a cause wrapped up in a false narrative force their views at me. The only narrative I'm interested in having presented is the plot.

  80. Let's just hope the writing improves this year by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Capaldi got got screwed by the writers. This last season was much better than the one before, but they REALLY need to step it up.

  81. Pandering at it's worst... by oh_my_080980980 · · Score: 1

    The issue is quite simple, the writers are incapable of a writing an original female lead character. They have to appropriate an established character.

    Case in point, the master. In an incredible WTF moment, the writers decide to do a gender bender and make the Master a female and give the character the ridiculousness name Missy - can't call a female character Master eh boys...given the fact that the Master character was basically written off in the End of Time episode, the writers having incredible writers block decided to bring back the Master with a gender change. Why? To have a female lead? To have a female counter part to the Dr? There's just one problem.

    THEY ALREADY HAD A FUCKING FEMALE LEAD CHARACTER, A TIME LORD WHO WAS A COUNTERPART TO THE DR! THE RANI !!!!

    The Rani appeared in The Mark of The Rani (third serial of the 22nd season ). A character with more depth than the Master. But the brain dead writers couldn't think of using an established female lead character. Good creative writing would have tapped into this vain. But no, somehow gender bending is more creative.

    When you have Thor as a woman and Starbuck as a woman and endless shows that have dealt with characters switching sexes and the ramifications, DW is just another program doing what has already been done. Boring.

    Here's a thought, kill off the Dr. and continue the show with a different character. You know his daughter Jenny (Series 4 Ep 7), she's a time lord. But that would be too creative and risky right...

    1. Re:Pandering at it's worst... by Baron_Yam · · Score: 2

      > In an incredible WTF moment, the writers decide to do a gender bender

      This was not an isolated decision, it was a workup to sex-swapping the title character. Along with introducing the Corsair. And having the Doctor flirt with Harkness.

      In the future, everybody's pansexual and gender fluid because they're better than us.

      Weird how the oppressed sexual minority fought so long to you know, NOT be oppressed for their nature only to turn around and start telling everyone it's actually a choice and the straight majority is wrong for not being just like them. Its like people are stupid and never learn.

  82. Aaaand Doctor Who is dying. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Not sure I'll even watch it now. It's been in a downhill slide for the past few years since it became 'hip' and mainstream.
    Now they're pulling politically correct strings to ruin it.
    I would have loved to see a show spin off based from the Doctor's Daughter. Perfect tangent right there.
    But this? No. I'm sorry. I won't be part of some politically correct crap just to do it for doing sake. It's no longer about the story then.

    1. Re:Aaaand Doctor Who is dying. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And if you were actually paying attention, Missy was NOT a regeneration. It was a possession brought about by the ring. (I know someone will bring that crap up)

  83. Re:WONDERFUL NEWS!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Big Bang Theory and Dr. Who are the biggest offenders in the pop culture bastardization/appropriation of nerd culture

  84. Re:This is great news... now... give me more shows by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Oh wow, so you mean all of those "actors" were really space aliens?

    Seriously kid, it's a TV show. Aliens aren't real.

  85. Re:This is great news... now... give me more shows by doggo · · Score: 0

    Cue the misogynistic, micropenis wielding, death & rape threatening trolls to come out of the woodwork. Morons.

  86. Catherine Tate by mchall · · Score: 0

    ...would have been a much better choice with the whole Doctor/Donna link. There is always a way to write a way out of the "if she remembers she'll be irrevocably damaged" nonsense. Moff could have done it. After all, people died and came back on his watch all the time.

    Tate has the frenetic energy that we've come to associate with the Doctor ever since Patrick Troughton's tenure, and she's well loved by most fans. It would have been fun to see another show runner's take on her.

  87. Time Lady... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Donkeys aren't monkeys! Stop messin with me!!

  88. Re:I'm excited about this! Now make more than 10 e by mchall · · Score: 0

    Moffat did a good job of turning the show to shit during Series 6 and 7 and the fiftieth-anniversary specials.

    I thought series 6 was brilliant. I agree with you on 7 though. The writing went to crap, and it was clear at that point that he could not do both Sherlock and Who without one of them suffering. Series 10 was even worse than 7 in my humble opinion. The writing was awful; the stories were rushed, poorly explained, and uninteresting. The layer of political correctness slathered onto this dog's dinner of a season was just plain unappetizing. I expected much better from Moffett. We've seen much more cunning, clue-strewn story arcs from him during his tenure. This season was in no way up to scratch.

  89. Re:I'm excited about this! Now make more than 10 e by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I don't care who the new doctor is, we need a new writer. Moffat is killing the show with his sloppy plots and almost-ignorant silly pop culture references. Once in a while he has a gem, but most of it is junk.

    A really talented writer who doesn't make the sonic screwdriver the deus ex machina to every plot, combined with a talented doctor actor will revitalize the show.

  90. Re:This is great news... now... give me more shows by TheCastro1689 · · Score: 1

    He just did another season of Sherlock.

  91. I used to like Dr Who by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I used to like Doctor Who. But now it seem's to be the BBC's way of pushing a gay, genderless agenda on young people. It's like the LGBT+3.1415926 people have taken over and are using it to push their own ends.

  92. Next James Bond to be Female??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Might as well destroy another British institution while we are at it!

  93. Re:We didn't need a gurning northern doctor by Jerry+Atrick · · Score: 1

    Can't we just pretend Eccleston never happened? Please! His playing "Wallace" to Billy Pipers "Gromit" is a memory no one needs.

  94. Great, just what we need by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The Doctor and The Master can braid each other's hair and have pillow fights across the cosmos, and he can now nag his adversaries into submission.

    (And don't ask about the cyberman in the closet that always needs to batteries)

  95. Re:I'm excited about this! Now make more than 10 e by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And yet, somehow, they manage to put out a lot of mediocre episodes anyway, speckled with some really shit ones and an occasional really good one.

  96. It's been fore-shadowed for over a year now by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In the episode where the Dr. bashes his way through the diamond prison over millions of years, the Chancellor get killed and then regenerates as a woman, and quips about how "oh, I'm a woman again!" (that is also where the Dr. is granted unlimited regenerations for saving Gallifrey from destruction.)

    So, this is hard-core cannon in the Dr. WHO universes. Time-Lords can (and do) swap genders during regenerations.

    I for one will give it a chance. It might be great, or it might be the second-coming of the 6th Doctor (shudder, the less said about that the better.)

    The actress is DEFINITELY talented and experienced enough to pull it off, it all depends on the WRITING! (as always.)

  97. James Bond to become Jamie Bond by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    After 50 years of character development as a man, would fans accept it? I doubt it.

    Nice way of killing off the franchise...

  98. No big gain and no big loss by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I stopped watching Doctor Who halfway through Matt Smith's tenure and I could not recall a single Tennant episode except from the Weeping Angels one. The writing was terrible and the pacing worse. And yet I liked Smith because he was able to go from manic to sad and back in the blink of an eye, but the writers could not make use of him. Never saw Capaldi's Doctor. I wonder why we should have Doctor Who in the 21st century for that matter. SF as a genre is stagnating anyway as more and more people become aware that no, we will not reach the stars and no, things will not get better. The future once held promise, excitement and even dread, but now it's only the boredom of decay. We don't need the Doctor anymore and have not needed him/her/it for a long time. If this is to be the final nail in the coffin, it's welcome.

  99. Re: WONDERFUL NEWS!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There is no such thing as nerd "culture". And if there were, it would be rape culture.

  100. Re: WONDERFUL NEWS!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    that sounds much more exciting

  101. No measurable consequences. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This will have no effect on the already abysmal quality of the last few seasons.
    (I still puke a bit when I think about the robots of Sherwood).

    They could have made him any size, any colour of hair, eye and skin. They could have made him a dog. Sex change is where I draw the line.

    They already tested the waters when they corrupted the Master.
    One could imagine a convoluted explanation about his mental case.
    (Sex change relates to mental illness and often leads to depression and suicide, as far as humans are concerned of course).

    As far as I'm concerned, there will be no drop in the ratings : I've stopped watching this incoherent plot ridden show a while ago.

  102. Re:This is great news... now... give me more shows by stealth_finger · · Score: 1

    Because it is the BBC not Hollywood.

    No they're not, they literally have to do nothing to get their money and fill most of their airtime with pensioners going to car boot sales.

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  103. Not a problem per se, but... by Doghouse13 · · Score: 1

    I have no basic problem with the Doctor being female; it was always on the cards, and I personally don't even care if it's canon or not; it's a TV show, for goodness sake, and if it's fun to watch, I'll watch it. If I have DO any concern with it, it's that I wait with some trepidation to see what sort of Doctor, Jodie Whittaker is actually allowed to be by the writers/director(s) (will she always, not to put too fine a point on it, be a female Doctor - which would be disastrous - or can everyone forget that she's a woman and let her become, simply, The Doctor?). I also. more to the point, wait to see whether a female lead actually WORKS within the format (it could; it probably ought to; but it's possible that it simply won't gel). Either way - I certainly think one of the biggest mistakes the team could make, would be to keep rubbing our faces in the fact that Whittaker is a woman, in the way that, as others have said, they kept so clumsily reminding us that Bill was gay. (Yes, we got that, way back in her first episode. Very PC of you, have a sweetie. But frankly it added precisely zilch to the story lines or to her character; it felt like it was basically only there so that the team could feel smug about it. Yawn, nothing to see here, move on.)

    Oh, and on the evidence, I'd say the money is probably odds-on for an "ethnic" casting of some sort for her successor, too. My only surprise is that they didn't go for that this time as well as a woman, and kill two birds (so to speak) with one stone.