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Doctor Who's 13th Time Lord Announced: Actress Jodie Whittaker (bbc.co.uk)

Peter Capaldi, the 12th Doctor Who, had said that he wanted to see a woman replace him in the Tardis, and so did former Doctor Who stars Billie Piper and Karen Gillan. And today it's official: "the 13th incarnation of Doctor Who will be portrayed by an actress," writes Slashdot reader Coisiche -- specifically Jodie Whittaker, who American viewers may remember from her performance as CIA officer Sandra Grimes in the 2014 mini-series "The Assets." The BBC reports: She was revealed in a trailer that was broadcast on BBC One at the end of the Wimbledon men's singles final... She will make her debut on the sci-fi show when the Doctor regenerates in the Christmas Day show... Whittaker said: "I'm beyond excited to begin this epic journey...with every Whovian on this planet. It's more than an honour to play the Doctor. It means remembering everyone I used to be, while stepping forward to embrace everything the Doctor stands for: hope... Doctor Who represents everything that's exciting about change."
Doctor Who's new showrunner said the 13th Doctor was always going to be a woman -- and that Whittaker was their first choice. "Jodie is an in-demand, funny, inspiring, super-smart force of nature and will bring loads of wit, strength and warmth to the role." Doctor Who #12 added that Whittaker "has above all the huge heart to play this most special part. She's going to be a fantastic Doctor." And Will Howells, who writes for the Doctor Who magazine, said "I don't think it's a risky choice at all but if a show that can go anywhere and do anything can't take risks, what can?"

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  1. This is great news... now... give me more shows! by ka9dgx · · Score: 3, Insightful

    When do we get new episodes? Why isn't there a daily episode? MORE MORE MORE!!!!

  2. Jodie Whittaker by slashnik · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Well she's a fine actress, an inspired choice. We can only wait to see what she does with it

    1. Re:Jodie Whittaker by elrous0 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I just hope Dr. Who treats her as an actual Doctor, not just use her to virtue-signal for SJW cred. Dr. Who's increasing politicization is really getting annoying. It's starting to feel like that guy who brings out his one black friend at every party and points to him to let you know that he's a proper non-racist liberal.

      When characters are naturally gay or black or whatever, that's great. When they're one-dimensional non-entities who just appear from stage-left in every episode just to remind everyone of their gayness and blackness, that's just virtue-signalling. And it's an insult to real gays, minorities, women etc. who are actual real human beings.

      I hope she's a real character. I hope that every episode doesn't revolve around some stereotypical "women's issues" just to trumpet for the thousandth time that this Dr. Who is A WOMAN.

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    2. Re:Jodie Whittaker by Truekaiser · · Score: 5, Funny

      Well they seem to be also repainting the police box color to pink, so what do you think will happen?

    3. Re:Jodie Whittaker by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Missy was a exceptional incarnation of The Master as an evil Mary Poppins. Michelle Gomez proved the character can be gender flipped and still retain credibility.

    4. Re:Jodie Whittaker by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      The Doctor finally fixes the chameleon circuit?!

    5. Re:Jodie Whittaker by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Go rewatch some of the older episodes with the Master and see if you can still say that. Missy was a poor approximation of the Master and the stupid "Master/Doctor" romance thing they tried to shove into that relationship ruined the character.

    6. Re:Jodie Whittaker by jellomizer · · Score: 2

      I am guessing you haven't been watching Dr. Who or the BBC for the last decade?

      For the most part BBC has been good writing characters who may be against the normal stereotype without being preachy about it. There may be some episodes say where the Doctor is in the past and the men in charge will not listen to her, just because the Doctor is a woman. But I expect for the most part I trust that the BBC will make the New Doctor believable like the other ones.

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    7. Re:Jodie Whittaker by AmiMoJo · · Score: 2

      Judging by his they handled Bill, I can't see it being an issue. Davies did tend to make too much of those kinds of issues for them to seem natural, but Moffat is pretty good at it.

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    8. Re:Jodie Whittaker by MightyMartian · · Score: 1, Insightful

      So because they cast a woman in the role of an alien time traveller who regularly changes form, you're pissed off? You rt are a delicate little snowflake, aren't you?

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    9. Re:Jodie Whittaker by iamgnat · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Missy was a exceptional incarnation of The Master as an evil Mary Poppins. Michelle Gomez proved the character can be gender flipped and still retain credibility.

      Exactly, but they never made a big deal of it so it worked well.

      This last companion, however, was an abomination of SJW-ness. Not a single episode went by without them putting some focus on her liking girls and/or (mostly and) some slavery reference. It was tedious, annoying, helped nothing, and damaged the story lines.

      Cpt Jack's homosexuality was never an issue and it was never focused on. Martha didn't go around constantly commenting about slavery. Bill was also the first female companion (at least since the reboot) that I would not classify as a "strong woman" (mostly due to her being on about slavery and being gay so much). Seemed she needed more rescuing by the Dr than she did rescuing of the Dr like all her predecessors did.

      Hopefully the story will just be "poof, the Dr is a woman" and then it is never mentioned again. If so, it will work well. Based on how they are publicizing it, however, I suspect they are going to work some form of "wait! you're a woman now???" into each episode. That will be a damn shame if that is indeed what happens.

      I agree that there should be a female Dr and by all accounts it looks like she is a good choice. I just hope that the writers and producers don't turn it into disgusting political circus to try to make a point that doesn't need making.

    10. Re:Jodie Whittaker by jellomizer · · Score: 3, Insightful

      For the most part I expect the BBC is just trying to get rid of the gender debate. No matter when they would replace the Doctor with a female version there will be controversy. So if they do it now, then they can get rid of the hurdle. If they found a talented actor and have good writers and directors, then things should be fine.
      Being that Capaldi wasn't that popular Doctor (I actually started to warm up with him this season) People are up for a change, back to a more vibrant Doctor.

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    11. Re:Jodie Whittaker by hairyfeet · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Exactly! there is a BIG fricking difference than having a character who simply happens to be "x" than one whose entire reason for being is to be "x". A perfect example of doing it right? Heimdall in the Thor movies. Nobody gives a shit that he is black because he is a well written character who just so happens to be black. He is brave, loyal to his friends, willing to charge in despite extreme danger, one tough SOB. Nobody cares about his skin color because it simply isn't relevant to the story or the character it is simply a trait like being tall or strong which frankly is how it should be if we actually care about people being treated as equals and not objects.

      Contrast this with how Hollywood portrays gay people which is still so cringe its pathetic, they always seem to go full Will & Grace stereotype gay. They can't just let a person be a person who just so happens to be gay, nope its "hey did you know I'm gay? Because i'm totally gay, yup as gay as gay can be uh huh that is me" which I have no doubt we'll look back in 20 years and see this virtue signaling for what it is...as racist as anything Amos and Andy did back in the day because they aren't allowed to just be people,normal folks with thoughts and fears and anxieties like everybody else, nope they have to go "magical negro" only its "super happy gay friend".

      So if its a case of the Doctor simply ending up with a gender swap this regen, looking down saying something snarky and then moving on like "Oh well at least I'm not white haired anymore, it was making me feel dreadfully old" then it will be great....but considering how many times I've seen the word "diversity" thrown in there which in left wing speak always translates to "hey we're gonna be racist/sexist now, gotta fly the flag and show we are loyal to the cause"? I have a feeling we are gonna be in for some serious cringe.

      lets just hope they don't end up killing the show because as we have seen people are REALLY getting fucking sick of being preached at and if the show becomes nothing but left wing politics and virtue signaling? I don't even see hardcore Dr Who fans wanting to tune in for their weekly dose of Who if it becomes nothing but propaganda.

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    12. Re: Jodie Whittaker by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 1

      I think that all that matters is whether this change reflects the world in the story or the world of the writers. It's difficult to follow a story with continuity depending on what decade's production you're currently watching.

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    13. Re:Jodie Whittaker by mhkohne · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Being that Capaldi wasn't that popular Doctor (I actually started to warm up with him this season) People are up for a change, back to a more vibrant Doctor.

      Interesting. I have to say I loved Capaldi, and I thought his portrayal was great. Some of the scripts, on the other hand, could have used another go or two round the editor's desk before being OK'd. I'm hopeful the writers will do better by Whittaker.

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    14. Re:Jodie Whittaker by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Judging by his they handled Bill, I can't see it being an issue. Davies did tend to make too much of those kinds of issues for them to seem natural, but Moffat is pretty good at it.

      Moffat is the worst writer to ever work on a Doctor Who series .. His main talent was building a nice story line and the jumping off of a cliff to finish it .

    15. Re:Jodie Whittaker by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1, Flamebait

      I just hope Dr. Who treats her as an actual Doctor, not just use her to virtue-signal for SJW cred. Dr. Who's increasing politicization is really getting annoying.

      If you can't see that Dr Who has always been "politicized", then you're probably too thick to have ever really appreciated the show.

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    16. Re:Jodie Whittaker by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

      It would be worth doing just to watch the heads explode. All the right wing comment sections are going nuts.

      How dare human beings not be racist and sexist in the way I prefer. They are worse than scum. They must be, shudder, republicans! /s

      Or maybe people want to be treated and viewed as people instead of labeled, classified, and pre-judged based on neo-marxist oppression structures specifically designed 30 years ago to favor the people that created it.

    17. Re:Jodie Whittaker by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      Nobody gives a shit that he is black because he is a well written character who just so happens to be black.

      Actually, there was quite a bit of sturm und drang over Heimdall being black. The neo-nazis and "race realists" went apeshit over it and threatened to boycott. 4chan and Reddit forums blew up over a black guy playing Heimdall, and it didn't calm down until well after the movie was out.

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    18. Re:Jodie Whittaker by jedidiah · · Score: 1

      You mean the Mad Max movie where the title character was mainly a blood bag and a hood ornament. I can see why MRAs got their panties in a bunch over it. It did come of like some raging anti-man feminst from academia was allowed to run the project.

      Theron was actually an upside in all of that mess.

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    19. Re:Jodie Whittaker by jedidiah · · Score: 1

      A lot of the new Doctors have felt like children with no real gravitas. I rather liked the fact that Capaldi did NOT suffer from this. I suspect that this new actress will be more of that same nonsense beyond the mindless virtue signalling.

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    20. Re:Jodie Whittaker by yuriklastalov · · Score: 2

      Or maybe people want to be treated and viewed as people instead of labeled, classified, and pre-judged based on neo-marxist oppression structures specifically designed 30 years ago to favor the people that created it.

      Now you're just talking crazy talk.

    21. Re:Jodie Whittaker by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      Heimdall well written? He is supposed to be the lookout. His one job is to see things coming, and he regularly fails to notice the giant threat literally looming over him.

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    22. Re:Jodie Whittaker by ACorrosionOfDeviants · · Score: 1

      Whittaker was excellent in Broadchurch -- the three-series UK original on ITV, not the dreadful short-lived American remake. Broadchurch was definitely not sci fi, but David Tennant's portrayal of Detective Inspector Alec Hardy often reminded me of the Tenth Doctor, and now there will be two regenerations on the show's main cast.

      I'm eager to see Whittaker's version of The Doctor.

    23. Re:Jodie Whittaker by iamgnat · · Score: 2

      Your memory is faulty. Captain Jack did make a big thing of being gay

      I'll grant you that may be as I don't think I ever went back and watched the 10th in order, so that could have skewed my view.

      especially in he spin off Torchwood

      Never seen an episode and not directly the subject.

      By comparison, Bill has been very subtle and matter of fact.

      Subtle doesn't mean what you think it means. I'm not willing to say "every" without rewatching them all (which I will never do), but most they made at least one jarring and out of place scene where she had to tell someone she was into girls. While it may have been "matter of fact", it served no purpose in the story other than "hey! look! I'm a lesbian character!".

      If they had simply made her a competent female character like Clara, Amy, Martha, Donna, and Rose (at least with 11, she was rather needy with 10) that just had a female love interest when she wasn't traveling, big deal. So what. They chose, however, to make it one of her two most defining characteristics.

      There was nothing subtle about that character.

      If anything they avoided bringing it up by refraining from her having a love interest in any situations where it might be an issue, like the past (where her being black at a time when black people were property was something they couldn't avoid).

      No, instead, in the past, present, and future they had her bring up slavery and/or discrimination. Her whole interaction with the blue guy in that episode about the killer space suits was just painful and disgusting. I'm pretty sure that everyone in 1st and 2nd world countries are well aware that there was a period of time where people were abused and enslaved primarily based on their skin color. I'm also equally sure that they are aware that even after those peoples were given equal rights in the 1st & 2nd world, discrimination still persisted.

      If they wanted to make an episode where they went back in time and she ran into problems specifically because of it, fine. If they want to do an episode on a different planet where she does something to quash slavery, fine. Having her bring it up in many/most episodes where that is the only reference to such, just obnoxious and pointless.

      The original Star Trek and earlier Dr Who pulled off the ability to normalize such things specifically because they didn't make a deal out of it. The simply inserted the character and moved on.

      Contrary to the popular belief today, the way to fix these issues is not to constantly rub people's noses in it. Constantly getting in people's faces tends to have the opposite of the desired effect.

    24. Re:Jodie Whittaker by iamgnat · · Score: 2

      So please, tell us what your reason is.

      The Dr undergoes a complete physical change periodically and they've long made it part of the cannon that Timelords can change sexes in a regeneration. Missy was the first direct image of such.

      Just seems that if they can manage it decently (e.g. not make a deal out of it), it makes sense. It's not a "omg they have to do this!!!" thing, just something that seems like it should happen sooner or later based on what they've been setting up for ages.

      The way they are handling it so far, however, feels very much "News at 11: Talented actress gets acting job!". That kind of stuff just seems incredibly patronizing to me which is kinda the opposite of what is supposedly being projected. We'll see if they pull it off, but my hopes aren't high.

    25. Re:Jodie Whittaker by iamgnat · · Score: 2

      So you think it should be ignored, huh? What if every time you saw someone they were a man and then suddenly, they became a woman.

      First of all there is a difference between ignored and not making a deal over it. In the 10-11 regeneration Rose freaked out in an entirely understandable way, but then she accepted it and moved on.

      Secondly, there have been few interactions with characters that knew the Dr in his prior incarnations. They could easily go her whole run without bringing old characters back. If they do, again, there is a history of them dealing with it reasonably and I would argue that for someone that knows who the Dr is is going to have little additional surprise over him being a her now (e.g. they already know weird shit happens around the Dr).

      Specifically in the context of this coming regeneration, Clara has been gone awhile, River is gone, Bill (thankfully) is gone, so all we potentially have left is Nardole and he is well aware of Missy/Master.

      So beyond a "well that was unexpected" and maybe an "ooh! I have breasts!", they don't need to focus on it for more than a few minutes.

    26. Re:Jodie Whittaker by TapeCutter · · Score: 1

      In find exploding heads extremely entertaining...

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    27. Re:Jodie Whittaker by ProfBooty · · Score: 1

      I've wondered why they have so many blacks on the show, when the largest non-white minority in Britan are South Asians.

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    28. Re:Jodie Whittaker by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      This last companion, however, was an abomination of SJW-ness. Not a single episode went by without them putting some focus on her liking girls and/or (mostly and) some slavery reference. It was tedious, annoying, helped nothing, and damaged the story lines.

      Cpt Jack's homosexuality was never an issue and it was never focused on. Martha didn't go around constantly commenting about slavery. Bill was also the first female companion (at least since the reboot) that I would not classify as a "strong woman" (mostly due to her being on about slavery and being gay so much)

      It doesn't sound like you pay a lot of attention to the show. That, or you ignored how hamfisted Jack was about his sexuality, probably because you liked him as a character, and the few times Bill mentioned hers (or, apparently, slavery) you were looking for an excuse to be butthurt and made a fuss about the occasional throwaway line. Neither character acted the way you're describing. You may also want to start thinking back to the number of times companions' significant others were part of stories, or even occasionally central to them, before you worry that Bill having a date or turning down a romantic gesture from a man is something that was somehow in your face. It sounds more like you've become more sensitive to that in general, or something about this character makes you more bothered by it.

    29. Re:Jodie Whittaker by Boronx · · Score: 1

      I'm pretty sure that AmiMojo doesn't run Dr. Who.

    30. Re:Jodie Whittaker by Boronx · · Score: 1

      What about Dumbledore? What about the Emperor? Nobody made a big deal about them being gay.

      If at some point it becomes important that Heimdall is black, would that be a negative for the Thor series? He is black after all, and it does actually matter in the real world from time to time.

    31. Re:Jodie Whittaker by Boronx · · Score: 1

      If you're noticing the agenda in a popular art form, that just means you've outgrown it.

    32. Re:Jodie Whittaker by Boronx · · Score: 1

      The show isn't for the brainiacs.

    33. Re:Jodie Whittaker by doom · · Score: 1

      You ASJWs really need to calm down.

    34. Re:Jodie Whittaker by brantondaveperson · · Score: 1

      A lot of the new Doctors have felt like children with no real gravitas.

      Perhaps. It is a kid's show though. It's not actually written with grown-ups in mind, though plenty of them watch it. But hey, plenty of grown-ups actually read all the Harry Potter books too...

    35. Re:Jodie Whittaker by brantondaveperson · · Score: 1

      Does every male role have to be replaced by women to show equality?

      Yes. Obviously. This is just the start. You just wait until they have a female prime minister

      Oh. Wait.

      97% of all alimony goes to women.

      I suspect this AC has revealed that the real reason for his ire is that he owes a time traveler a significant amount of child support.

    36. Re:Jodie Whittaker by gravewax · · Score: 2

      Loved Capaldi as the Doctor. Just a shame the scripts he had to work with were steaming dog turds.

    37. Re:Jodie Whittaker by Tom · · Score: 1

      So if they do it now, then they can get rid of the hurdle.

      Or they could've had some spine and say: "Doctor Who is a male character. If you want a female timelord show, we'll be happy to make one."

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    38. Re:Jodie Whittaker by Tom · · Score: 1

      lets just hope they don't end up killing the show because as we have seen people are REALLY getting fucking sick of being preached at and if the show becomes nothing but left wing politics and virtue signaling? I don't even see hardcore Dr Who fans wanting to tune in for their weekly dose of Who if it becomes nothing but propaganda.

      Thanks for that. It might be the reason I stopped watching, without even realizing why. Yeah, the Doctor became less of a timelord and more of a preacher. That definitely was at least part of the reason for me.

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    39. Re:Jodie Whittaker by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 2, Interesting

      For god's sake, she intercepted peoples' souls going to the afterlife just for the evil lols.

      Who are these dorks thinking she isn't up to snuff?

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    40. Re:Jodie Whittaker by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 1

      He saw it but Loki froze him, remember?

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    41. Re:Jodie Whittaker by Pseudonym · · Score: 1

      There's precedent, given that Captain Jack Harkness was treated as an actual captain.

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    42. Re:Jodie Whittaker by Pseudonym · · Score: 1

      Well they seem to be also repainting the police box color to pink, so what do you think will happen?

      The Happiness Patrol was, like, 30 years ago, dude. Get over it. Thatcher is dead already.

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    43. Re:Jodie Whittaker by Pseudonym · · Score: 1

      Clearly you don't remember McCoy. Or McGann. Or Adric.

      Doctor Who has been "over" many times in the last 54 years.

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    44. Re:Jodie Whittaker by Pseudonym · · Score: 1

      It did come of like some raging anti-man feminst from academia was allowed to run the project.

      Maybe if you've never seen a Kennedy Miller film or TV show before. I thought it was very Australian.

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    45. Re:Jodie Whittaker by AmiMoJo · · Score: 3, Insightful

      While it may have been "matter of fact", it served no purpose in the story other than "hey! look! I'm a lesbian character!".

      Can you cite specific examples? It just seems like if a gay character mentions that they have a same-sex love interest, it's somehow an overt "hey! look! I'm a lesbian character!" move.

      The original Star Trek and earlier Dr Who pulled off the ability to normalize such things specifically because they didn't make a deal out of it.

      The original Star Trek made a huge deal out of it constantly. They did entire episodes about racism, were constantly pushing the boundaries with things like the first on-screen interracial kiss, and often it just got silly like the "planet of the Nazis" episode or the space hippies.

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    46. Re:Jodie Whittaker by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Yeah calm the fuck down...

      Oh wait, there are hardly any ASJWs here. The ASJWs are all out firing their guns or fucking their wives to make babies, not watching or talking about Dr. Who.

    47. Re:Jodie Whittaker by TheRaven64 · · Score: 1

      Before he became executive producer, his episodes were the best of the new set. I suspect that he had a decent editor who was willing to tell him when he was going over the top, and who didn't continue this when he was in charge. Episodes written by the executive producer have been the worst since the show came back, irrespective of who it was.

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    48. Re:Jodie Whittaker by voss · · Score: 2

      One dimensional characters are bad because they are poorly written not because they are one dimensional in a way you do not like. When you start dropping buzzwords like "SJW" and "Virtue Signalling" you are using them in place of rational argument. Bill Potts was just not a very interesting character , on the other hand I loved the characters of Madame Vastra and Jenny. Im sure some consider the character of Madame Vastra to be virtue signalling but they were in 1893 where women couldnt be "naturally gay" and had to live in secret.

    49. Re:Jodie Whittaker by jellomizer · · Score: 1

      Being that the Doctor is the hero of the show, creating a new character that is his equal will not be good for the show. They had Ramanna as a companion of the 4th doctor. While had higher grades then the Doctor she was also much less experienced so the Doctor could also show his stuff and stay the hero of the show.

      Your solution is trying to bring up Seporate but Equal. It just doesn't work. The Doctor character had a plot device where the actor could be replaced by a new actor who didn't have to act the same as the previous one. So a female doctor isn't that big of a deal. Male to female regerations have been part of the cannon, so no worries.

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    50. Re:Jodie Whittaker by idji · · Score: 1

      Doctor Who was always political and contemporary. Even The Green Death from 1973 has political overtones.

    51. Re:Jodie Whittaker by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      There may be some episodes say where the Doctor is in the past and the men in charge will not listen to her, just because the Doctor is a woman.

      The male Doctors had that problem so often they had invent the magic ID badge that instantly convinces people he is someone important with authority over them. Of course, if the stakes need raising a bit they just forget that he has it and that week's redshirts dispose of themselves before the survivors decide to listen to him.

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    52. Re:Jodie Whittaker by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1, Insightful

      The Master was a rather two dimensional character, which is why they tried to add some depth and give him a chance to develop with the possibility of redemption.

      Things had to change after the Time War. In the movie the Doctor is taking the Master to be executed, apparently fine with the concept of capital punishment which seems rather out of character now. After the Time War there are very few Gallifraians left, in fact for a time the Doctor thinks he is the only one. So naturally when he meets the Master he wants to save him, but it ends with the Master dying.

      The Missy/Doctor "romance" is entirely one sided, and really just Missy trying to make the Doctor feel uncomfortable.

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    53. Re:Jodie Whittaker by oh_my_080980980 · · Score: 1

      Why? They've been writing shit programming since 2005.

    54. Re:Jodie Whittaker by Ash-Fox · · Score: 1

      Being that the Doctor is the hero of the show, creating a new character that is his equal will not be good for the show.

      The grand parent was talking about creating a new show, not merely a new character.

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    55. Re:Jodie Whittaker by mjwx · · Score: 1

      Being that Capaldi wasn't that popular Doctor (I actually started to warm up with him this season) People are up for a change, back to a more vibrant Doctor.

      Interesting. I have to say I loved Capaldi, and I thought his portrayal was great. Some of the scripts, on the other hand, could have used another go or two round the editor's desk before being OK'd. I'm hopeful the writers will do better by Whittaker.

      This.

      I like Capaldi, but the show has just become far too stale. They ran out of ideas years ago and have been re-hashing the same crap. I mean yet another Cyberman/Dalek/Angel episode. I think the only reason I watched the season before last was because Jenna Colemen was hot.

      To keep going, they need new writers and new ideas. In the recent series, I've seen the CGI budget going up, but the writing quality going down (and lets be honest, Doctor Who isn't Merchant Ivory to begin with). I really hope this isn't a cynical ploy to make it look like Doctor Who is changing whilst keeping the same lazy writing.

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    56. Re:Jodie Whittaker by gnick · · Score: 1

      By comparison, Bill has been very subtle and matter of fact.

      A couple of scenes that showed her on a date with a woman were very subtle and matter of fact. I can think of at least a couple of examples that were less subtle:
      * A Roman soldier that treats Bill as a prude for not going with men. He's "normal" - Men and women.
      * The Doctor recalling a "man crush," unable to remember whether he was a man or woman at the time. Remarking that time lords have "moved past" gender.

      That said, I don't really have a problem with it. It might seem a little forced, but it doesn't get in the way of the story line. It's just a minor distraction while they try to share a point.

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    57. Re:Jodie Whittaker by k2r · · Score: 1

      (spoilers)
      > They chose, however, to make it one of her two most defining characteristics.
      > There was nothing subtle about that character.

      So - concerning sexual orientation - is Bill travelling on with the pilot in the end of series 10
      a) subtle, maybe because it's a fscking romantic arc that comes to a beautiful conclusion, repeats "The doctor and X" and "Ashildr and Clara" and - admittedly - is an unexpected deus-ex.
      b) non-subtle, because the pilot is a girl

      If it's b) I understand subtle means "invisible, go AWAY, at least behave hetero."

    58. Re: Jodie Whittaker by gnick · · Score: 1

      I think that all that matters is whether this change reflects the world in the story or the world of the writers.

      I'm not sure this change should reflect anything other than having another actor in the shoes. It's not as if they're going to revolve an episode around the Doctor having her period or getting knocked up (I hope). I'm sure there will be a couple of jokes made about the gender switch, but I'm not expecting any major shift in story telling.

      It's difficult to follow a story with continuity depending on what decade's production you're currently watching.

      That's what you get for trying to follow the story. The only real stories that cross decades are the backgrounds of the other races (e.g. Daleks, Cybermen). The "new" Dr Whos take the stories a little more seriously than the original series, but if you're watching Dr Who hoping for story integrity, you're watching it wrong.

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    59. Re:Jodie Whittaker by dave420 · · Score: 1

      You do realise you are virtue-signalling with your commend and your sig, right?

    60. Re:Jodie Whittaker by dave420 · · Score: 1

      You'd have a point if populations were evenly distributed across the islands.

    61. Re:Jodie Whittaker by k2r · · Score: 1

      I wouldn't say dog turds but I think at least Moffat and Capaldi (GREAT doctor) knew every minute that this would be his their series and so it feels.
      There were a lot of great ideas and devices and the acting was fine - and I actually liked the introduction of Bill ("Doctor What?") and loved Nardole - but something was missing.

      It didn't feel like "We'll fscking act until we die in the end(*), this is Sparta!" but more like "Oh, I really liked this, lets finish it properly."

      * Or regenerate or are saved by a sonic twist or the pilot.

    62. Re:Jodie Whittaker by dave420 · · Score: 1

      You've just rephrased your opinion as fact and used that as an argument. You'll need to come up with something else. May I suggest "Doctor Who, the alien, has been portrayed only by men up until this point."? It's accurate. The only problem is it shows just how baseless the argument is, so I'd expect you'd not like to use it.

    63. Re:Jodie Whittaker by gravewax · · Score: 1

      I definitely would say dog turds, the stories were all really lacking, way to much feelings crap and dumb story twists that made no sense combined with excessive political correctness and trying to play up the Black/female/gay angles for zero reason. by far the worst regeneration story wise. yes I liked Nardole too and Bill was kinda ok except for the stupid focus on the political correctness garbage.

    64. Re:Jodie Whittaker by iamgnat · · Score: 1

      (spoilers) > They chose, however, to make it one of her two most defining characteristics. > There was nothing subtle about that character.

      So - concerning sexual orientation - is Bill travelling on with the pilot in the end of series 10 a) subtle, maybe because it's a fscking romantic arc that comes to a beautiful conclusion, repeats "The doctor and X" and "Ashildr and Clara" and - admittedly - is an unexpected deus-ex. b) non-subtle, because the pilot is a girl

      If it's b) I understand subtle means "invisible, go AWAY, at least behave hetero."

      Actually it's C, it's a mix. The Pilot episode was the most well done in this regard. Her being a lesbian actually fit and furthered the story in a manner where it did not stand out as "OMG! Look! I'm a lesbian!". It was just natural so it worked.

      As far as her going off with the Pilot at the end, I thought that was cheesy and campy, but that has nothing to do with them being two girls in love. I didn't like it, because it made no sense given that there was no further reference to the Pilot until that point. Here my problem (and I have the same with Ashildr and Clara as well as Rose and Donna) is that it's the forced happy ending where everyone gets to live. Life sucks. Good people die. If they don't want to show that, then keep the characters out of such situations (or give them some silly escape route like they do in every other episode. Rory, Amy, and River rocked in that regard. When they were done, they were done. No escaping their fate. Others (Martha) just moved on without the theatrics.

      There is a wide gap between invisible and natural. One being that it doesn't happen at all (which is wrong) and the other meaning that it does, but in a manner that makes sense and reflects reality.

    65. Re:Jodie Whittaker by iamgnat · · Score: 1

      And how many times did we have scenes with straight characters realising they fancy each other? Or two characters actually in a relationship and talking about it? "Oh god, why do Amy and Rory go on *all the time* about how they're married? We *get it* - stop pushing your agenda in our faces all the time."

      Amy and Rory's sickly sweet romance was equally obnoxious when it was jarring and out of place with the story. I'm totally with you on the "enough already" in that regard. Even River's relationship with the Dr got old. Most of the time it fit with the story (or was the story), but it too was tedious at the time. At least in River's case, however, it was two people that wouldn't see each other for long periods of time so a little reunion "friendliness" made some sense.

    66. Re: Jodie Whittaker by bestweasel · · Score: 1

      Here's hoping for a black transgender Doctor next time.

    67. Re:Jodie Whittaker by Eunuchswear · · Score: 1
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    68. Re:Jodie Whittaker by iamgnat · · Score: 1

      That, or you ignored how hamfisted Jack was about his sexuality, probably because you liked him as a character

      Actually I hated him as a character because he was a bumbling fool that did more plot damage than he helped. Maybe my dislike for him distracted me from his sexual predilections, but I didn't even notice it until it was pointed out to me (admittedly I then wondered how I missed it the first time when I saw some of his episodes again).

      Another difference that likely softened the blow is that Jack wasn't in every episode and I'm not even sure I would classify him as a regular. It's one thing for it to happen once or twice a season. It's another when it is every show for a season.

      It sounds more like you've become more sensitive to that in general

      Yeah I have and it's because I'm tired of it constantly showing up in such a manner.

      Take the last Star Trek for example. I saw noise about people being upset that Sulu is gay, but they executed it nearly perfectly in my opinion. He meets his daughter and husband as he disembarks and they walk off arm in arm. Maybe they lingered on the scene a little longer than needed, but nothing was said/done to call attention to it (I actually missed it the first time through). Then there was nothing else said/shown about it the rest of the movie which was correct as it had no bearing on anything.

      This is far more representative of the vast majority of gay people I've known in my life. They just want to live their life and have no interest in projecting their private lives on the world. Accordingly they don't want other's views projected on them.

    69. Re:Jodie Whittaker by zieroh · · Score: 1

      This last companion, however, was an abomination of SJW-ness. Not a single episode went by without them putting some focus on her liking girls and/or (mostly and) some slavery reference. It was tedious, annoying, helped nothing, and damaged the story lines.

      For my money, Bill was one of the most interesting companions in years. Your dislike of her says much more about you than it does about Bill.

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    70. Re:Jodie Whittaker by zieroh · · Score: 1

      I'm beyond sick of this SJW shit. I won't be watching this series.

      There there, delicate snowflake. It'll be okay. Better to lock yourself into your safe space and avoid any further trigger warnings.

      mean this particular time lord is male....now they're rewriting it so gender is only skin deep? These idiots really don't think things through when they ram down their wingnut agenda.

      Your opinion is at odds with Doctor Who canon. There's nothing saying that this particular time lord is specifically male, or that this particular time lord can't change genders. We have hints that time lords can even change species.

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    71. Re:Jodie Whittaker by iamgnat · · Score: 1

      For my money, Bill was one of the most interesting companions in years. Your dislike of her says much more about you than it does about Bill.

      Please explain what made her so interesting? She is by far the weakest female characters since Rose with 9 (I do rate her higher than the early Rose due to the lack of being in love with the Dr which was just annoying). She did almost nothing to further the story and was mostly space filler. They had her be mostly incapable of taking care of herself without the Dr which is pretty much the antithesis of the female companions since Rose came into her own with 10.

    72. Re:Jodie Whittaker by inerlogic · · Score: 1

      Funny thing about Will& Grace, they used a straight man to play Will.

      John Barrowman (Capt. Jack Harkness) an ACTUAL gay man auditioned for the role of Will, but was told he "wasn't gay enough"

      as for the Doctress.... stay tuned for DW beating us over the head with feminist issues

    73. Re:Jodie Whittaker by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      Only because Heimdall was the "White God" in Norse Mythology (he was blonde and pale-skinned). It had nothing to do with racism. It had to do with the mythology of the character.

      It's a comic book, Brent.

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    74. Re:Jodie Whittaker by skids · · Score: 1

      and really just Missy trying to make the Doctor feel uncomfortable.

      ...which makes regenning as a female a logical tit-for-tat. Erm... phrasing...

      Anyway, as long as they don't run with the "sonic sunglasses" thing and give her sonic lipstick, I can live with it.

    75. Re:Jodie Whittaker by Baron_Yam · · Score: 1

      If they're trying to represent the diversity of the UK, then regional concentrations are irrelevant.

    76. Re:Jodie Whittaker by k2r · · Score: 1

      > Bill was kinda ok except for the stupid focus on the political correctness garbage.

      If event that decent gayness of Bill hurts the boys feelings that badly I say:
      Doctor Who needs WAY MORE SALT to rub it in.
      And maybe a female doctor.

    77. Re:Jodie Whittaker by johnsie · · Score: 1

      Most of the new doctors were young trendy men who ran around like ADHD kids on a sugar high and getting off with the companion. It was nice to have a mature doctor who was somewhat more like the original doctors. The doctor should appear wise and having young people play the part kind of ruins that.

    78. Re:Jodie Whittaker by Baron_Yam · · Score: 1

      >I just hope Dr. Who treats her as an actual Doctor, not just use her to virtue-signal for SJW cred.

      Don't hold your breath. Moffat is on record saying the Doctor is a secondary character to the companion... a walking deus ex machina to enable the companion's adventures. Which is odd considering how much screen time gets spent on the Doctor's angst.

    79. Re:Jodie Whittaker by jellomizer · · Score: 1

      That is still a Separate but Equal problem. Creating a crossover from Doctor Who, usually has characters who are inferior to the Doctor, creating a spin off where there is someone who is objectively equally awesome just won't work. Making a female doctor is the only way, to break that barrier.

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    80. Re:Jodie Whittaker by rhazz · · Score: 1

      And frankly, without the ridiculous media attention to it, I probably wouldn't have noticed.

    81. Re:Jodie Whittaker by Tom · · Score: 1

      In a show that has almost all aliens be humanoids, you can't get away with "he's an alien" so easily. And the whole point is that it's a show. The decision about gender was consciously made at some point. The question was asked, and answered, and is now being retconned.

      But it's not just that he was portrayed by men. He was also portrayed with clearly male characteristics, including a lot of (mostly hinted at) romances to female characters. Oh yes, and he fathered at least one child. Which given that time lords do have male/female biology requires a lot of handwaving to explain away genetically.

      But sure, you can. But then you are back at the show and have to ask yourself what you accomplish with the change of gender, does it add to the show, or take away from it. As a writer, you need to ask yourself with every word, every fact you put into the story how it supports your story, because otherwise it doesn't belong there.

      There is no part of the story of The Doctor so far that needed a gender change to make sense or be understood. No mystery was created that is now getting clear. The setup was to test the waters, not to create any story element. If you want to look at good setup, look at the Bad Wolf storyline. That was done very nicely, and while it was subtle, as soon as it happened you immediately saw the mystery that was set up, understood it, and the whole season had gained more depth.

      Don't see anything even remotely like that with this gender change. There is nothing in the Doctor Who plot or background story that makes more sense now.

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    82. Re:Jodie Whittaker by Tom · · Score: 1

      Nonsense. Firstly, I recommended a spin-off show with a female title hero. There are enough characters in Doctor Who that you could use (or could have used if they hadn't been killed off).

      A River Song spin-off, for example, or a Clara spin-off would have given characters not in any way below The Doctor. An alternate ending to the Bad Wolf storyline could have created a new character (even in a parallel universe, to avoid conflicting developments) of pretty much any power level you want. There are plenty more strong female characters in Doctor Who that could get their own show.

      A female doctor actually is a big deal, as you can see by the free publicity it generated. Also, despite the (artificially created) canon, the Doctor is a father to at least one daughter, not a mother. He is a husband to at least one wife. I cannot remember The Doctor mentioning a female reincarnation, giving birth, being a mother or a wife, or any other hints to being female before the obvious set-ups started. This is a new development not originally invented, not originally part of the character, so yes, those of us who enjoyed the character as he was can be of the opinion that this was not a change for the better. You can have a different opinion.

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    83. Re:Jodie Whittaker by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      For those of us who are a little older, there was a Sarah Jane Smith show.

      However, I just don't see the problem. We know the Doctor mostly regenerates into male bodies, but the Master has already regenerated into a female one, so a female Doctor would be in canon.

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    84. Re:Jodie Whittaker by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      The gender decision was probably never consciously made. We just have had a string of male actors portraying the Doctor. We know that a Time Lord is not limited to one sex.

      The fact is that different regenerations have been considerably different people, although with certain constant features. I've liked some Doctors more than others, and I'm going to give this one a chance.

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    85. Re:Jodie Whittaker by Baron_Yam · · Score: 1

      Did you see that episode with the 'light vampires' or whatever and the Romans?

      Yeah, Romans weren't that cool with homosexuality. They were OK with gay sex... if you were the top. Lesbians were considered mannish freaks, as best we know.

      So no, despite the fact that for the most part Bill was just Bill, they *were* using her sexual orientation to preach political correctness garbage.

    86. Re:Jodie Whittaker by Baron_Yam · · Score: 1

      > Making a female doctor is the only way, to break that barrier.

      No, a female Doctor is the only way to inject your personal sexual politics into this particular show. To 'break that barrier' you could just come up with something original instead of altering something pre-existing.

      We've got 50 years of a cranky man and we're attached to him, and you and yours have gone and shit all over that because of some weird social philosophy that requires you to take anything other people like and mold it to fit your need for propaganda.

      It's done, you won, stop bullshitting. And if the show should fail, don't continue bullshitting and claim it's bigotry. You shit on the show's history (and the fact that it was done in stages over the last few years doesn't change that), those who preferred it the old way may choose to stop watching.

      I personally hope Doctor Who does miserably next year so it gets cancelled and has a chance at a later revival with a retcon undoing most of Moffat's work... preferably before I have grand kids to share it with.

    87. Re:Jodie Whittaker by gravewax · · Score: 1

      gayness doesn't affect me in the slightest, I don't give a shit whether she is straight, homeosexual, trisexual or into beastiality, if it is completely irrelevant to the story at hand. If you can't write science fiction without trying to push an agenda then find better writers. What the stories showed was the discomfort of the writers not the viewers.

    88. Re:Jodie Whittaker by Plumpaquatsch · · Score: 1

      Well they seem to be also repainting the police box color to pink, so what do you think will happen?

      Next thing it won't be larger on the inside than outside - no more claims of "but it's 12 inches inside".

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    89. Re:Jodie Whittaker by robinsc · · Score: 1

      Captain Jack was Bisexual....

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    90. Re:Jodie Whittaker by robinsc · · Score: 1

      Remember his comment when looking at Billie pipers backside when we first met him in "the empty child" ? :) though of course given that he is alien also it may not count. :)

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    91. Re:Jodie Whittaker by Tom · · Score: 1

      12 in a row being made "by coincidence" doesn't sound plausible. The flat-out probability for that is 0.05%. Even allowing a strong bias towards male actors in the movie industry, say 75% to 25% female, makes the probability only 4%.

      There was a decision about gender. Coincidence doesn't explain the facts. Just to open one more can of worms: Reincarnations also seem to tend towards retaining the skin color. The Doctor has always been white. That one general that reincarnated into a woman was a black man reincarnating into a black woman. He was also met with a guard addressing him as "Sir", knowing that a regeneration was in progress, and only then correcting himself.

      So even in canon, while regeneration to another gender is possible, it seems unlikely and surprising, even to time lords.

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    92. Re:Jodie Whittaker by Tom · · Score: 1

      Yes, it could be canon because of the intentional injections of male-to-female regenerations in recent seasons.

      That only means it was a prepared move. It still makes it a mistake. The same way that Indiana Jones is a man and while you could make Indiana Jones V - The Sex-Changed Archaeologist (because sex change is a thing in the real world), it simply wouldn't be an Indiana Jones movie. It would just be another lousy attempt to cash in on an established franchise.

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    93. Re:Jodie Whittaker by Tom · · Score: 1

      Well said, well said. That exactly is the point. There is no story reason or advantage, it's such an obvious pandering to a single-interest group adapt at shouting everything down that even if the actress is wonderful, her performance will forever be tainted by politics.

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    94. Re:Jodie Whittaker by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      It appears that it is an unlikely feature of the Doctor's regeneration. What's the problem?

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    95. Re:Jodie Whittaker by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      Sex-change operations exist to match body to personality, and Indiana Jones definitely behaves like a man who's comfortable with his own body. The Doctor gets a new personality with every regeneration.

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    96. Re:Jodie Whittaker by Riceballsan · · Score: 1

      Honestly I have to say with Harkness, he's bisexual rather than gay, and if memory serves, it was almost a direct line between the 2 shows he was in that drew the line of his sexuality. Before torchwood, he almost exclusively hit on every female he met. If you only watched Dr who... he seemed only interested in women. If you only watched torchwood, then he would appear as gay.

    97. Re:Jodie Whittaker by RyoShin · · Score: 1

      They can't just let a person be a person who just so happens to be gay, nope its "hey did you know I'm gay? Because i'm totally gay, yup as gay as gay can be uh huh that is me" which I have no doubt we'll look back in 20 years and see this virtue signaling for what it is...as racist as anything Amos and Andy did back in the day because they aren't allowed to just be people,normal folks with thoughts and fears and anxieties like everybody else, nope they have to go "magical negro" only its "super happy gay friend".

      It might be the exception that proves the rule, but Law & Order actually did this. One of the ADAs, Serena Southerlyn was a lesbian but the show only gave a few hints of this until her final episode where it was stated plainly in the closing minutes. (That reveal is often lambasted as a cheap stunt, which I do agree with.)

    98. Re:Jodie Whittaker by Tom · · Score: 1

      That it doesn't seem to serve any purpose, and seems to be caused by the same pressure and/or anticipatory obedience as the gender-reversed Ghostbusters remake was.

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    99. Re:Jodie Whittaker by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      It serves the purpose of opening up the actor pool, and providing us with a new personality. I laughed my way through the new Ghostbusters movie. I thought it was great.

      It's fantastic fiction. Why do the sex roles have to be set in concrete?

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    100. Re:Jodie Whittaker by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      I don't think that's the objection. I think people are saying creators should focus their efforts on the actual quality of their creation instead of which sex plays what within their creation.

      ,p> I don't see that. I see people complaining because the Doctor is going to be female, with no words spent on arguing that any given male actor would be better than the upcoming one. I saw people complaining about the all-female Ghostbusters on the basis that the fictional Ghostbusters were male. The first two Ghostbuster movies certainly didn't shy away from cheap laughs (although the second was far less successful), and gender-swapping is in line with that.

      I think it significant that so many people claim that the new Doctor is selected specifically because she's female, and dismiss the possibility that she may be the right actor for the job.

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    101. Re:Jodie Whittaker by Tom · · Score: 1

      I saw people complaining about the all-female Ghostbusters on the basis that the fictional Ghostbusters were male.

      I didn't. I saw people complaining that someone made a very in-your-face choice of adding a gender switch (Ghostbusters female, secretary male) as a cheap gimmick.

      The first two Ghostbuster movies certainly didn't shy away from cheap laughs (although the second was far less successful), and gender-swapping is in line with that.

      But those are cheap laughs within the movie. That's a different meta-level.

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    102. Re:Jodie Whittaker by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      You say the casting isn't within the movie? Obviously the full gender swap and the secretary were a cheap gimmick for laughs. That's perfectly in keeping with the humor in the series.

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    103. Re:Jodie Whittaker by Tom · · Score: 1

      You say the casting isn't within the movie?

      Yes, I do. Book recommendation: General Semantics. Meta-levels are a powerful analysis tool.

      Obviously the full gender swap and the secretary were a cheap gimmick for laughs.

      No, you see, gimmicks don't dominate the movie. A joke is over once everyone got it and laughed. The difference between being funny and being annoying very often is simply in knowing when to stop.

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  3. I feel a disturbance in the time vortex. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    It's as if millions of fanboys suddenly cried out in butthurt and were suddenly silenced.

    1. Re:I feel a disturbance in the time vortex. by itsdapead · · Score: 1

      It's as if millions of fanboys suddenly cried out in butthurt and were suddenly silenced.

      Only because it wasn't Joanna Lumley (again)/Summer Glau/Emma Watson (insert more fan favourited to taste). They've been dropping anvil-subtle hints for the last couple of years.

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    2. Re:I feel a disturbance in the time vortex. by digitig · · Score: 1

      This fan was a pre-teen in 1963, and hasn't been pissed off by a single regeneration yet. A few of the crappy scripts, perhaps, but none of the regenerations.

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    3. Re:I feel a disturbance in the time vortex. by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 2, Insightful

      If you could the Doctor a Social Justice Warrior he'd take it as the ultimate compliment.

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    4. Re:I feel a disturbance in the time vortex. by jellomizer · · Score: 1

      Doctor Who normally has he budget to hire the Big Name actors for 3-4 seasons. Normally Doctor Who will make these lesser actors better known vs. trying to get a well known actor to boost the well known Doctor Who Brand.

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    5. Re:I feel a disturbance in the time vortex. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Uh ... you do realise that the original Social Justice movement were Nazi sympathisers? It's hardly a compliment.

    6. Re:I feel a disturbance in the time vortex. by tie_guy_matt · · Score: 1

      I don't understand how fanboys get butthurt by this. When you ask, "how can we make our favourite sci-fi series even better?" How is the answer not always, "make the main character an attractive female?" I suppose having attractive male main characters does bring more female fans -- but Doctor Who has been on the air more than long enough for that.

    7. Re: I feel a disturbance in the time vortex. by serviscope_minor · · Score: 1

      Emma "Logic Fail" Watson? Who would want that?

      ????

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    8. Re:I feel a disturbance in the time vortex. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Not bloody likely. If you truly believe that all homo sapiens are created equal and endowed by their creator with certain inalienable rights, you're an idiot.

    9. Re:I feel a disturbance in the time vortex. by Comrade+Ogilvy · · Score: 1

      Jesus was a Nazi?

    10. Re:I feel a disturbance in the time vortex. by ProfBooty · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Eh, I think for a fair amount of the male (nerd) demographic, they wanted to be the Doctor, a man who doesn't win through force, but through wits and snark rather than action.

      For the female demographic, they wanted to travel with a sexy, powerful man who takes them on dangerous adventures. Look how many fangirls fawn over David Teninch and Matt Smith's portrayal of the Doctor.

      I don't think the female demographic was looking to be the Doctor.

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    11. Re:I feel a disturbance in the time vortex. by TapeCutter · · Score: 1

      Joanna Lumley - yes, she would make a great Dr Who.

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    12. Re:I feel a disturbance in the time vortex. by Boronx · · Score: 1

      but through wits and snark

      Anyone who gets upset at a female Dr. hasn't much in the way of wits.

    13. Re:I feel a disturbance in the time vortex. by Barlo_Mung_42 · · Score: 1

      Obviously Nazi sympathizers didn't make up the term. They simply used it as propaganda so they don't get to own it. People who are really working to bring social equality to all can't really be painted with Godwin's brush.

    14. Re: I feel a disturbance in the time vortex. by Tranzistors · · Score: 1

      The toll bot was misconfigured. The stdout and stderr were pointing to the same object.

    15. Re:I feel a disturbance in the time vortex. by Pseudonym · · Score: 1

      Uh ... you do realise that the original Social Justice movement were Nazi sympathisers?

      Nope.

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    16. Re: I feel a disturbance in the time vortex. by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 1

      I meant the silly "if you're in favour of X, you must be in favour of Y" statements where X is neither a necessary nor a sufficient condition for Y. I would think that people here actually value logic.

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    17. Re:I feel a disturbance in the time vortex. by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 1

      By "not always", do you mean "never"? Or that "sometimes the answer is different"? Because surely one could think of many improvements to DW that have nothing to with the main character.

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    18. Re:I feel a disturbance in the time vortex. by TheRaven64 · · Score: 1

      I'm sad that Sue Perkins didn't get the job - she was rumoured to be in the running and would have been perfect for the role.

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    19. Re:I feel a disturbance in the time vortex. by blackpig · · Score: 1

      Yes, Ms Lumley made a fine Doctor --> https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

    20. Re:I feel a disturbance in the time vortex. by Plumpaquatsch · · Score: 1

      It's as if millions of fanboys suddenly cried out in butthurt and were suddenly silenced.

      That would be nice - but they just can't keep their mouths shut, and keep on talking how stuff hurts their feeling and shit. Damn Pussy, those MRAs.

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    21. Re:I feel a disturbance in the time vortex. by Plumpaquatsch · · Score: 1

      The Young Turks, as in the young men responsible for the Armenian Genocide, is the inspiration for TYT, a very popular Social Justice Warrior channel on youtube.

      The irony is lost on them.

      Are you sure it wasn't the bunch of Republican US Senators from the 1920s called The Young Turks that are their inspiration? I mean, back then the Democrats all were in the KKK (or so we are constantly being told), and the Republicans were the progressives - and more so the Young Turks.

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    22. Re:I feel a disturbance in the time vortex. by Plumpaquatsch · · Score: 1

      For the female demographic, they wanted to travel with a sexy, powerful man who takes them on dangerous adventures. Look how many fangirls fawn over David Teninch and Matt Smith's portrayal of the Doctor.

      I don't think the female demographic was looking to be the Doctor.

      They'll be perfectly happy with fawning over the hansom male companion who will not have a sexual relation with the female Doctor.

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  4. I'm excited about this! Now make more than 10 epis by MikeDataLink · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I am excited about this! They needed to do something new and fresh. This should work well and Jodie is a fantastic choice.

    My only complaint about Doctor Who (all BBC shows actually) is they don't make enough episodes per season.

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  5. You can't have a female James T. Kirk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    and you can't have a female Dr. Who. This is another example of PC bullshit taken too far.

    1. Re:You can't have a female James T. Kirk by jfdavis668 · · Score: 2

      Every new Doctor seems strange. Yes, a woman will take time to get used to. As long as the keep the plots true to the show, it should be good.

    2. Re:You can't have a female James T. Kirk by NEDHead · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Well, Kirk doesn't regenerate periodically, so that is an issue.

      You can, however, have Janeway.

    3. Re: You can't have a female James T. Kirk by teslar · · Score: 4, Informative

      Actually, in case of the doctor, you quite explicitly can have a female one. Nothing says Timelords are restricted to one gender and there are canon precedents even before Missy. So there.

    4. Re:You can't have a female James T. Kirk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      They've already ditched keeping the plots true to the show by adding a woman doctor. The Doctor is a mad man in a box. That's who the character is. You can't gender-swap the character without fundamentally altering the dynamic. It breaks the formula and they're only doing it to try and placate the SJW crowd.

      Unfortunately they'll soon realize that while the SJW crowd is loud, they do not represent the fanbase. SJWs are not fans of the things they complain about. They're trolls looking to complain. Now that the Doctor is a woman, they'll start complaining about how she isn't a minority. Just wait.

    5. Re:You can't have a female James T. Kirk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      and you can't have a female Dr. Who. This is another example of PC bullshit taken too far.

      It's Nurse Who, now.

    6. Re:You can't have a female James T. Kirk by NEDHead · · Score: 1

      That's a little harsh.

        PA would be more like it, at 58% pay.

    7. Re:You can't have a female James T. Kirk by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 1

      Flashback to 1966...

      They've already ditched keeping the plots true to the show by adding a young doctor. The Doctor is an old man in a box. That's who the character is. You can't age-regress the character without fundamentally altering the dynamic.

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    8. Re: You can't have a female James T. Kirk by digitig · · Score: 1

      Nothing says Timelords are restricted to one gender

      Nothing even says they're restricted to one species (in appearance, at least).

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    9. Re:You can't have a female James T. Kirk by digitig · · Score: 1

      It's Nurse Who, now.

      Are women not allowed to practice as doctors (or do postgraduate degrees) where you are? What benighted part of the world is that?

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    10. Re:You can't have a female James T. Kirk by mrsquid0 · · Score: 1

      > You can't have a female James T. Kirk
      > and you can't have a female Dr. Who. This is another example of PC bullshit taken too far.

      Sorry snowflake, there was a female James T. Kirk back in 1969.

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    11. Re:You can't have a female James T. Kirk by jellomizer · · Score: 1

      The Doctor never really been that much of a sexual character where the doctor gender is what defined the character. Replacing the Mad Man with a box to the Crazy Lady with a Box, isn't that much of a difference.

      However being after every new incarnation of Doctor Who the personality and sanity of Doctor who has been different. I would say Doctors 1, 3, 5, 7, 8, 9, 10 weren't so much mad men, perhaps at best eccentric, but that is due to the alien nature of the doctor.

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    12. Re:You can't have a female James T. Kirk by jellomizer · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Voyager had a lot of problems, Janeway as a woman Capitan, isn't that much of a big deal compared to the other problems.

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    13. Re:You can't have a female James T. Kirk by jellomizer · · Score: 1

      Wow, you must have just been abducted by the Doctor from the 1960s.
      2/3 of Med Students are female. I am normally more surprised when I see a male doctor then a female one.

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    14. Re:You can't have a female James T. Kirk by jfdavis668 · · Score: 1

      Are Time Lords another race?

    15. Re:You can't have a female James T. Kirk by Brett+Buck · · Score: 1

      And it was so bad they cancelled the series immediately afterwards.

    16. Re:You can't have a female James T. Kirk by serviscope_minor · · Score: 1, Insightful

      I love the irony of the utters bringing up Star Trek TOS as an example in their anti-SJW crusade. Half the purpose of that show was race and gender issues.

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    17. Re:You can't have a female James T. Kirk by AmiMoJo · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Time Lords changing gender when regenerating is canon, and not just The Master / Missy. And the Doctor's personality changes with every regeneration, as well as his age and apparent nationality (English / Scottish). Becoming female breaks nothing, it's certainly no bigger change than going from a very young English man to a mid 50s Scottish man.

      The Doctor has never really been interested in his male gender anyway - he doesn't really form romantic attachments and seems positively afraid of sex. There isn't really anything about his personality that is particularly masculine so becoming female is unlikely to alter his basic motivations or philosophy, or even the way he interacts with his companions.

      Much more likely to bring a big change is the departure of Moffat as show runner. But hay, the anti-SJWs have gotta complain about something, and no point waiting to see how it actually turns out before writing it off as trolling and predicting it's failure.

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    18. Re: You can't have a female James T. Kirk by jeremyp · · Score: 1

      Budget and practicality of production restricts the Doctor to be human in appearance. Although, in an interview on Wittertainment, Andy Serkis claimed that motion capture is getting cheap enough that soon anybody will be able to do it, so who knows.

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    19. Re:You can't have a female James T. Kirk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Sorry puddincakes, but a theme of the episode where Kirk's life essence is switched into the body of the murderous Janice Lester, is that women shouldn't covet all the things available exclusively to men, because it leads to jealously, rage, hatred, and dangerous psychosis. Instead they should learn to be happy with their lot. As Kirk says at the end of the show, "Her life could have been as rich as any woman’s...”
      At no time during the episode did Kirk ever think, "Hey, being a woman is really cool. If I never get my body back, I still think I could do a good job as a Starship Captain." No, the whole show presented this switch as something as unnatural; the product of a diseased mind.

    20. Re: You can't have a female James T. Kirk by UnknowingFool · · Score: 3, Informative

      There have been three examples in the last several seasons that explicitly show/state that a Time Lord can be regenerate into a female.

      1) In the prequel The Night of the Doctor The Sisterhood of Karn could control the regeneration: "Time Lord science is elevated here on Karn. The change doesn't have to be random. Fat or thin, young or old. Man or woman?"
      2) Missy
      3) In Season 9, in the Episode "Hell Bent", the General regenerates from an older white man to an older black woman.

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    21. Re: You can't have a female James T. Kirk by UnknowingFool · · Score: 1

      or that they can can change their biological sex during regeneration.

      Nothing?
      1) In the prequel The Night of the Doctor, The Sisterhood of Karn could control the regeneration: "Time Lord science is elevated here on Karn. The change doesn't have to be random. Fat or thin, young or old. Man or woman?"
      2) Missy
      3) In Season 9, in the Episode "Hell Bent", the General regenerates from an older white man to an older black woman.

      Who cares about legacy?

      Legacy also says that Daleks can't climb stairs too.

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    22. Re:You can't have a female James T. Kirk by jedidiah · · Score: 1, Insightful

      It's not so much Janeway as a woman as the woman that played her. She just didn't have the chops for it. Throwaway roles with cameo actors ran circles around her.

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    23. Re:You can't have a female James T. Kirk by jedidiah · · Score: 1

      Except Thete isn't a doctor of medicine. He's more of an engineer or physicist. Those departments aren't 66% girls.

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    24. Re:You can't have a female James T. Kirk by jedidiah · · Score: 1

      > I love the irony of the utters bringing up Star Trek TOS as an example in their anti-SJW crusade. Half the purpose of that show was race and gender issues. ...and it was still filled with painful to watch stereotypes that should get run off the air with torches and pitchforks by modern SJWs.

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    25. Re:You can't have a female James T. Kirk by serviscope_minor · · Score: 1

      ..and it was still filled with painful to watch stereotypes that should get run off the air with torches and pitchforks by modern SJWs.

      Are you one of those SJWs of which you complain? Why else would you be saying what those SJWs should or shouldn't do? Or are you just using lazy stereotypes?

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    26. Re:You can't have a female James T. Kirk by Leuf · · Score: 1

      How do you know Kirk wasn't fighting back a regeneration the whole time? It's hard to get a sentence out while doing that.

    27. Re:You can't have a female James T. Kirk by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1, Interesting

      I always thought that Torres was more interesting than Janeway. She was a nerd, an engineer, but also struggling with anger and prejudice. She managed to have a relationship and even become a mother while continuing to work for much of the time.

      Seven was interesting too as she got a lot of development. But Torres is the underrated one.

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    28. Re:You can't have a female James T. Kirk by DanielRavenNest · · Score: 1

      The Doctor has said explicitly, even this past season, that the honorific of "Doctor" was named after him. In other words, he was the archetype. But what he fixed wasn't medical problems, but much larger ones. He runs around the Universe fixing things, more like an EMS paramedic than a GP in an office.

    29. Re:You can't have a female James T. Kirk by ChunderDownunder · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Does Ben Sisko not still refer to Ezri as 'old man', some 2 hosts after she was a male, Curzon Dax?

    30. Re:You can't have a female James T. Kirk by jellomizer · · Score: 1

      No not really. They have been leading up to it. With Smith regeneration thinking he was a girl with long hair, Missy regeneration from the master. That time lord the doctor shot regenerated in a back woman...
      BBC had been going a little too PC lately, a woman doctor isn't that surprising at all. There was also a lot of buzz about it on the fan sites also.

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    31. Re:You can't have a female James T. Kirk by Comrade+Ogilvy · · Score: 1

      The basic concept of Voyager was superb: a bunch of enemies from the alpha have to reconsider all the rules in order to work together and survive. But the writers chickened out -- the sparks between Janeway and Chakotay was dropped on the floor, and Janeway was left to ossify into smarmy Miss By The Book who kept quoting Federation SOP while enemies in the Delta quadrant made them suffer for it. Well, that was supposed to be her starting place where reality and personal relationships draw her out into something else.

    32. Re:You can't have a female James T. Kirk by Comrade+Ogilvy · · Score: 1

      I see what you just did. Out of one side of your mouth, your claim to know what "SJWs" think. Out of the other side of your mouth, you mock them for possibly thinking what you pretend to believe they think. All in one breath, too. Nice.

    33. Re: You can't have a female James T. Kirk by UnknowingFool · · Score: 1

      There are lots of things that are legacy that have changed or further clarified. From what I remember (I could be wrong about this), Gallifrey was destroyed in the Time War but nothing was said that it was actually the Doctor that was the one that did it. It was known that the Daleks and the Time Lords were combatants but nothing about how Gallifrey was destroyed. The newer episodes also shows why the Doctor felt he had to destroy Gallifrey and the Daleks and how he could not bring them back without bringing back other things out of the Time Lock

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    34. Re: You can't have a female James T. Kirk by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 1

      Season 14: The Doctor is reincarnated as a Dalek.

      You read it here first.

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    35. Re: You can't have a female James T. Kirk by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 1

      No, you don't.

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    36. Re:You can't have a female James T. Kirk by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 1

      But Kirk did regenerate, as did Spock.

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    37. Re: You can't have a female James T. Kirk by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 1

      Clara's first incarntion as Impossible Girl, who interacted with The Doctor anyway, was a Dalek.

      Don't make jokes, or you might get what you wished for.

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    38. Re:You can't have a female James T. Kirk by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 1

      Except "Doctor" meant fearsome, deadly warmaker in many
      species because of word drift based on results of fighting him. "The Doctor" was the guy who will kick your ass.

      Basically, run.

      Remember every black day I ever stopped you.

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    39. Re:You can't have a female James T. Kirk by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 2

      LEAVE STAR TREK ALONE!!! You know nothing about it!!! They will NEVER do SJW shit like a black and a white kissing just to push SJW boundaries into culture!!

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    40. Re:You can't have a female James T. Kirk by Ashe+Tyrael · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Janeway worked as a character when she was allowed to be one character.. She suffered horribly from Writer of the Week syndrome deciding what she should be and how she should act. She flip-flopped from episode to episode between Team Mum, Hypocritical Martinet and "Professional Ubercaptain." When she was good, she was very very good indeed. She was just so inconsistent.

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    41. Re:You can't have a female James T. Kirk by idji · · Score: 1

      The 12th doctor was a mad man in box. The 3rd wasn't really in a box - he was an eccentric in a yellow car. I could go on.... and we have no idea what the 13th will be. What does this have to do with SJW? - Is the movie Wonderwoman about SJW? - I don't think so - I see woman being empowered and that is good so. 3 Afghan teenage girls from Herat are flying to the US for a robotics competition. An Afghan woman is flying solo around the world - that story got massive attention by my three teenage daughters. Today's female teenagers are seeing nothing standing in their way. Just step back when they come at you. The won't need SJWs to protect them, you will when they trample you. My great, great aunt didn't need a SJW when she was the first to get a science degree in the state in the 1890s. [btw, I am male]

    42. Re:You can't have a female James T. Kirk by Ash-Fox · · Score: 1

      No, they're another species.

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    43. Re:You can't have a female James T. Kirk by mjwx · · Score: 1

      Voyager had a lot of problems, Janeway as a woman Capitan, isn't that much of a big deal compared to the other problems.

      The problem with Janeway as a captain wasn't that she was a woman, it was that she was insufferably annoying and terribly inconsistent as a character. Heard she wasn't the easiest actor to get along with either.

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    44. Re:You can't have a female James T. Kirk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      The Doctor has never really been interested in his male gender anyway - he doesn't really form romantic attachments and seems positively afraid of sex.

      You forget so soon about River Song/Melody Pond?

    45. Re: You can't have a female James T. Kirk by Baron_Yam · · Score: 1

      >Legacy also says that Daleks can't climb stairs too.

      You know how I know you didn't watch the old series? You're technically correct - they didn't climb, but they did float right up them in later episodes of the original run.

      And Romana was (briefly) 7ft tall and blue after and prior to taking Astra's face if I recall correctly.

      None of which makes it a good idea to change the Doctor's sex.

    46. Re: You can't have a female James T. Kirk by UnknowingFool · · Score: 1

      Yeah, as opposed to decades of him being a man.

      [sarcasm]Yes because in decades past so many TV shows like Doctor Who had women as leads. I can't imagine how men got TV roles back then. Especially in the Sci-fi genre. [/sarcasm]

      The modern writers of Doctor Who have been using it to push a left wing, gay, genderless agenda and are ruining it in the process.

      You seem triggered that writers of TV show decided to use a woman in a fictional universe. Perhaps you need a safe space.

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    47. Re: You can't have a female James T. Kirk by UnknowingFool · · Score: 1

      You know how I know you didn't watch the old series? You're technically correct - they didn't climb, but they did float right up them in later episodes of the original run.

      You know why they didn't climb stairs? It was a matter of practicality and budget. Now there is more money, Daleks can go wherever. If the writers stuck with "legacy" they don't make them as mobile as they are now. If they stuck with "legacy" the Cybermen would look antiquated. If they stuck with "legacy" most alien species would look like an actor in a mask.

      None of which makes it a good idea to change the Doctor's sex.

      What part of "legacy" Doctor Who ever said that the regeneration could not be into a woman. I'm guessing no part. But it was implied because of the time in TV where men were always going to be leads. No one was ever going to give a woman the lead in a TV series back then especially a Sci-fi one. "Legacy" is a poor excuse to not use a woman. Legacy would be the same reason why Uhura shouldn't be a black woman. Or Sulu an Asian.

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    48. Re:You can't have a female James T. Kirk by brantondaveperson · · Score: 1

      inherent maleness/machismo,

      No, you see, this an interesting statement. There's nothing whatsoever that J.T.Kirk does in the show that is intrinsically male. This statement is clearly true, since everything that he does is equally achievable by a woman. Unless he, at some point, fathers a child. Which I suppose he might have.

      impulsive, jealous, swaggering, boorish etc

      All of which are characteristics that may be exhibited by women, of course.

      and gets schooled by a woman or alien

      Or a greek god, or a man, or a cloud of super-intelligent galactic energy, or whatever.

      that's called character development.

      Yes. It is. Women are characters too. That's the whole, entire, point.

      How do you expand the worldview someone who's already enlightened?

      Fascinating statement. Are all women, in your experience, already 'enlightened'? Can there be no character arc for a female character, because they are already 'enlightened'?

    49. Re:You can't have a female James T. Kirk by robinsc · · Score: 1

      In fact for the 12th doctor there is a hint that the face the doctor takes are sometimes people he met in the past especially in peter capaldi's doctor's case he basically saved a man with peter capaldi's face from the fires of mount vesuvious. In his first onscreen speech he says I never know where the faces come from but I think I know why this one i.e he saved him and thus broke his own rule about not interfering with history.

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    50. Re:You can't have a female James T. Kirk by Beyond_GoodandEvil · · Score: 1

      Now that the Doctor is a woman, they'll start complaining about how she isn't a minority. Just wait.
      Already happened, it came up on yesterday's "All Things Considered " on NPR.

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    51. Re:You can't have a female James T. Kirk by houghi · · Score: 1

      Perhaps not a weekly problem, but more of a monthly problem.

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    52. Re: You can't have a female James T. Kirk by Magius_AR · · Score: 1

      There have been three examples in the last several seasons that explicitly show/state that a Time Lord can be regenerate into a female. 1) In the prequel The Night of the Doctor The Sisterhood of Karn could control the regeneration: "Time Lord science is elevated here on Karn. The change doesn't have to be random. Fat or thin, young or old. Man or woman?" 2) Missy 3) In Season 9, in the Episode "Hell Bent", the General regenerates from an older white man to an older black woman.

      For a show with zero references to female Doctors between 1963 and 2012 and 3 references to female Doctors between 2013 and current, that's more of a "change" than "canon/precedent".

  6. Re:I'm excited about this! Now make more than 10 e by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    My only complaint about Doctor Who (all BBC shows actually) is they don't make enough episodes per season.

    Because, unlike Americans, they know it will turn to shit if they make too many.

  7. Great Choice by WindowsStar · · Score: 1

    Awesome choice, but can we replace the whole cast. The Doctor, Peter Capaldi is alright, not great but just alright. But the rest of the cast with him are horrible. Very bad actors and just don't work for the parts. I truly miss Jenna Coleman, fantastic actress and perfect for the part.

    1. Re:Great Choice by Lanforod · · Score: 1

      Awesome choice, but can we replace the whole cast. The Doctor, Peter Capaldi is alright, not great but just alright. But the rest of the cast with him are horrible. Very bad actors and just don't work for the parts. I truly miss Jenna Coleman, fantastic actress and perfect for the part.

      As per usual, there will be a new companion. I also don't see how Nardole could come back, considering where they left him. There is no other cast.

  8. Gender issue narrative in the announcement. by Rockoon · · Score: 1

    Notice how within the mere announcement of a female Doctor Who, the people doing the announcing have pushed a gender issue narrative.

    This isnt in response to anything public. The public didnt know yet. The announcement is telling us that the producers are insisting that there be this "controversy."

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    1. Re:Gender issue narrative in the announcement. by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 3, Insightful

      ...what?

      the people doing the announcing have pushed a gender issue narrative.

      Citation needed. The announcement showed her face and her name. How is that a gender issue narrative?

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  9. Another triumph for women everywhere! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Once every male hero has become a woman we'll finally have equality.

    1. Re:Another triumph for women everywhere! by aevan · · Score: 1

      Spin that. You also need every classic villain to be female too. I'm still waiting for the outcry to make blockbuster-budget movies with Ada Hitler (and I don't mean those fetish porno, I mean a 'serious' WW2 reimage with the Reich lead by women).

    2. Re:Another triumph for women everywhere! by Boronx · · Score: 1

      ... cause women are never villains in movies? I don't see why Babe Hitler would be a problem for Hollywood, but they should probably keep the stache.

    3. Re:Another triumph for women everywhere! by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      There's one classic villain in Doctor Who with a distinguishable sex, and last I saw her she was female.

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  10. Re:This is great news... now... give me more shows by jellomizer · · Score: 1

    Because it is the BBC not Hollywood. And after these people become Stars on BBC, they get hired away by Hollywood, thus hard for them to get back.

    Just look at Benedict Cumberbatch.

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  11. Re:I'm excited about this! Now make more than 10 e by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 1

    My only complaint about Doctor Who (all BBC shows actually) is they don't make enough episodes per season.

    If you think they don't make enough, then they're making just the right amount.

    Always leave the audience wanting more.

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  12. Because it worked so well for Ghostbusters by rsilvergun · · Score: 1

    I know, they don't have to screw this up. But this seems like a cheap gimmick. I'm not familar with the actress. Does she have a body of work that would lend itself well to playing a Doctor? On the plus side I don't expect them to try and go all action hero-y with her. I always hated it when the Doctor got violent.

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    1. Re:Because it worked so well for Ghostbusters by MightyMartian · · Score: 2

      What was the body of work of Tom Baker (who I still consider the best Doctor)? It's a sci-fi/fantasy show that historically (though not since the 2000s reboot) ran on a pretty low budget. Capaldi and Smith probably are the best actors if you're judging by resume, but I didn't find Capaldi all that good, though Smith did seem to fit better.

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    2. Re:Because it worked so well for Ghostbusters by rsilvergun · · Score: 1

      True, but Baker fit the character. e.g. an amusing old fuddy duddy. I don't really want to see the character reinvented. Usually when companies do that they try too hard with writers that can't pull it off and it just goes to hell in a handbasket. Dr Who's tough to write already since the solutions are suppose to be non-violent. In writing violence it the easiest way to resolve a plot, but usually the least interesting unless you've got a huge budget.

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    3. Re:Because it worked so well for Ghostbusters by serviscope_minor · · Score: 1

      I don't really want to see the character reinvented.

      You're pretty much watching the wrong show. the character has been somewhat invented every time a new Doctor comes along. At least that's how it was in the 80s or 90s.

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    4. Re:Because it worked so well for Ghostbusters by jeremyp · · Score: 1

      Tom Baker wasn't old when he started.

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    5. Re:Because it worked so well for Ghostbusters by ArchieBunker · · Score: 1

      I watched that episode just for the super hero's girlfriend. She is cute as hell.

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    6. Re:Because it worked so well for Ghostbusters by Mashiki · · Score: 1

      Why? You wouldn't have said that if they cast a guy. The only criteria appear to have used is that the new person is not a bloke. You didn't even bother to check what she'd done. Nope, it was straight to "female == gimmick".

      They have a valid point though, it's currently a trend and one that people are getting tired of. The current state of entertainment is to push not "best people fit" for the role, but someone usually based on their sex/race/some identifier/etc for it. So them jumping to it is not unexpected in the least, but rather expected and what is actually becoming the norm with what people say outside of ideological bubbles.

      So what happens after they pick said *special person* which bombs in a spectacular fashion? The media comes out with stories and news articles blaming fans, stating that they're sexist/misogynists/racists/etc for it failing. This is then usually followed by "sudden" harassment of the actress/actor/whatever pulling a "woe is me, look at how I'm attacked!" Which has also gotten to the point where people just roll their eyes at.

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  13. Not sure... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I'm a gay man who hates seeing gay characters hammered in to a show just so they have a gay character -- Sulu in the last Star Trek movie being an obvious case in point.

    So I'm not sure about changing the Doctor to a woman just because the BBC need more diversity. To me, the Doctor is a male character, and I think should remain so. It's seems like feminism going to far (again?). (Jodie even said herself that she is a feminist).

    With Missy, they introduced the idea of a male Time Lord regenerating as a woman, so it's been obvious for some time that this was coming. I'm just not sure I like it.

    It happened to Thor too, so.I'm guess James Bond will be next.... Sigh.

    I've nothing against woman and strong lead woman characters, it's just changing something because it's the "in thing" or because they feel they have to that does my head in. Like, should Wonder Woman become Wonder Man? Should Aunt Beru become Uncle Stew in the next version of A New Hope just so Star Wars can have a gay parent couple?

    We'll see once we see her as the Doctor. I may change my mind. But for now, I'm not sure...

    1. Re: Not sure... by teslar · · Score: 1

      With Missy, they introduced the idea of a male Time Lord regenerating as a woman

      Remember the Corsair

    2. Re:Not sure... by ItsJustAPseudonym · · Score: 1

      ...Sulu in the last Star Trek movie being an obvious case in point.

      In all seriousness, I thought that was a small recognition to George Takei. No?

    3. Re: Not sure... by Tranzistors · · Score: 1

      It goes way back: Rowan Atkinson (9th) -> Richard E Grant (10th) -> Hugh Grant (11th) -> Jonathan Pryce (12th) -> Joanna Lumley (13th). The writer (Steven Moffat) in The Curse of Fatal Death (1999) foretold that the 13th doctor will be a blond woman.

    4. Re:Not sure... by ItsJustAPseudonym · · Score: 1

      Interesting. Thanks for the link.

      So, short answer "yes", long answer "Takei himself recommended against it".

  14. Excited, if they do it right by grasshoppa · · Score: 4, Informative

    The Doctor was never about his gender, so switching it up shouldn't be cause for alarm.

    However, as another poster mentioned, let's just hope this doesn't result in the writers going on a full "Patriarchy" writing binge, where the Doctor saves women from the evils of men in every episode.

    There's so much potential for fun with the gender switch, I just hope they exploit that instead of going all "WOMENZ RULEZ THE WORLDSS!@!!!!1".

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  15. Re:People still watch that crap? by iamgnat · · Score: 1

    The only Doctor I didn't like was the more recent Peter Capaldi, I didn't enjoy a single second of watching him

    I tend to agree. I think they were trying to make him a throw back to the original character, but it never worked out. He is a good actor so I suspect they just never got the story quite worked out that well.

    It could also be that there was no real overarching story like Tennent (Bad Wolf) and Smith (the crack) had to help tie things together. The best Peter had was Missy, but that didn't really tie anything together and the episodes just felt like disconnected adventures with no greater meaning.

    So I too am glad for X-Mas to come so we can put the unfortunate 12th Dr behind us.

  16. Re:Social justice warriors... by jellomizer · · Score: 1

    Well it could be good if you don't let your bigotry get in the way.

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  17. Re:We didn't need a female Doctor by mhkohne · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Re-imagining the Doctor has been kinda the point ever since the first re-generation. The whole idea of the show for N years now has been 'OK, now we've got a new primary, how's this one different'. If that doesn't work for you, I can't see why you'd have watched Eccleston, let alone be commenting on the subject.

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  18. Re:We didn't need a female Doctor by serviscope_minor · · Score: 1, Flamebait

    I'm tired of people trying to reimagine heroes as someone new (a woman, black, Muslim, etc). I know Hollywood is pretty much brain dead for new ideas

    Clearly a fresh new idea would be to cast a white man in a leading role then.

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  19. Re: Doctor How? by Tomahawk · · Score: 1

    Star Wars style counting...?

    Also, the War Doctor isn't numbered.

  20. still not what the doctor wanted by John+Bodin · · Score: 5, Funny

    A GINGER!

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    1. Re:still not what the doctor wanted by Gravis+Zero · · Score: 3

      still not what the doctor wanted... A GINGER!

      There's a reason for that. You see, the energy contained within a Time Lord is their soul and as we all know gingers have no souls which is why you never see a ginger Time Lord. ;)

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    2. Re:still not what the doctor wanted by John+Bodin · · Score: 1

      You are actually the second person to say that in reply. The first was on Facebook when I replied the same way to his post about her.

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  21. Re:So far everything is happening just as I expect by Barefoot+Monkey · · Score: 1

    Getting a low UID is certainly one use for a TARDIS.

  22. next question by tie_guy_matt · · Score: 1

    Is River Song coming back too? Should be interesting.

  23. Re:I'm excited about this! Now make more than 10 e by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

    The real reason is that British TV shows tend to be written by the show creators, a relatively small team. In the US the creators outline the plot and characters, but most of the episodes are written by others. Lots of others in fact, and different groups for each episode.

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  24. About time by Barefoot+Monkey · · Score: 1

    The question on whether the Doctor is capable of regenerating into a woman has been one of those little mysteries about the character that has gone on for decades. He was originally male and every single time he regenerated he came back as another man. 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, war, 9, 10, meta-crisis (yes, it was sort of a cloning rather than a regular regeneration, but it still cost a life and was part Donna so it could have justifiably have gone either way), 11, 12 - that's 13 regenerations in a row, all men. It was confirmed in The Doctor's Wife it was confirmed that Time Lords can change sex when they regenerate, but at the same time it also confirmed that individual Time Lords can have a certain trait that persists through every regeneration, leaving open the possibility of the Doctor in particular being necessarily male. I suppose there's some appeal to having some long-standing mysteries about the Doctor, but in my opinion that one had more than enough of a run and needed to make way to allow the producers to pick whatever act(o)r(ess) they like best for the part.

    I hope they have a bit of fun with the reveal, like the Doctor rushing to a mirror, staring wide-eyed at her reflection and saying something like: "I can't believe it. I'm... STILL not ginger? Come on!"

  25. Re:We didn't need a female Doctor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I'm tired of people trying to reimagine heroes as someone new (a woman, black, Muslim, etc). I know Hollywood is pretty much brain dead for new ideas

    Clearly a fresh new idea would be to cast a white man in a leading role then.

    I don't get it myself. As a SJW hater, I'd rather look at a woman on tv than some guy. In fact, men shouldn't be allowed on tv. I would have picked a lady with a little more meat on her, but oh well.

    This place is full of fruitcakes and nancy boys.

  26. not surprised tbh by gph1972 · · Score: 2

    This show has been going downhill for sometime, no surprise that they are trying a female doctor now. I mean it worked so well for the Ghostbusters reboot, surely it will be a smashing success for Dr. Who. I have my serious doubts that any actor, male or female could rescue this show.

  27. The Real Question... by Tulsa_Time · · Score: 1

    Can she jump high enough over the Shark to avoid getting hurt...

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    1. Re:The Real Question... by oh_my_080980980 · · Score: 1

      LMOL...should be able to since the show has been on a downward trajectory...

  28. Remember Captain Janeway? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    The one that made it feel like you werte being lectured by your mother every episode?

  29. Re:I'm excited about this! Now make more than 10 e by boarder8925 · · Score: 1

    Because, unlike Americans, they know it will turn to shit if they make too many.

    Moffat did a good job of turning the show to shit during Series 6 and 7 and the fiftieth-anniversary specials.

    And wouldn't you know it -- he's Scottish.

  30. Re:It Demeans Women by DanielRavenNest · · Score: 1

    > then why only one out of 13 for this particular Gallifreyan?

    Because the TARDIS chameleon circuit was stuck all this time, and interfered with the regeneration. The boost of regeneration energy from the Time Lords has now unstuck it, and we can hope the TARDIS will now appear as something other than a blue box from time to time.

    (that makes as much sense as any other explanation in a science fiction series that makes it up as it goes along)

  31. Re:Called it 2 doctors ago... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Called it 2 doctors ago...

    ...And I'll call this one for the record: next will be a minority, the following one will be transgender.
    There will never again be a white, male Dr Who.

    You called it two Doctors ago and have been wrong twice, so now that it's eventually a woman you take credit? Do you write horoscopes for a living?

  32. Re:This is great news... now... give me more shows by TapeCutter · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Nope, Doctor is an alien, not a man.

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  33. Re:Social justice warriors... by Brett+Buck · · Score: 1

    You people are nothing if not predictable.

        Well done, you are showing your capability for independent thought by parroting the party line. That should show'em.

  34. The best thing about this by H0p313ss · · Score: 1, Insightful

    The best thing about this is the whiny men complaining.

    Time to grow a pair guys and join the 21st century.

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    1. Re:The best thing about this by oh_my_080980980 · · Score: 1

      Because women aren't complaining...somebody likes to be patronized....

  35. Re:Called it 2 doctors ago... by sysrammer · · Score: 1

    Eventually it'll be re-visioned into "Dr. What".

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  36. Re:We didn't need a female Doctor by Baron_Yam · · Score: 2

    Doctor Who was 'silly sci-fi' until Moffat decided it was fantasy with mere sci-fi trappings. That the sonic screwdriver was a magic wand instead of an actual sonic screwdriver as in the original series. That's what first made me regret I ever hoped he'd take over from Davies (who did a great job of capturing the feel of the original show as I recalled it through a thick haze of nostalgia).

    Then he showed he didn't understand the Tardis by making it an actual living, intelligent, free-willed being. Which makes no sense at all. He totally misunderstood the mariner tradition of referring to a ship as 'she'. Then the Doctor became an expert pilot who always left the brakes on. Moffat will shit on anything for a quick gag.

    Then there was the issue of pushing his "good people are pansexual" like there's no hardwiring there. Idiot. Good people don't care if OTHERS are pansexual, but that doesn't make them switch sexual orientation. That was him pushing his sexual political agenda.

    50 years in, I'm out. Thanks, Moffat.

  37. Re:It Demeans Women by Comrade+Ogilvy · · Score: 1

    So in the Dr. Who Universe, this particular Gallifreyan regenerates 12 times into a male. But poof! Number 13 is a woman! Kind of stretches the suspension of disbelief a bit. If viewed through the lens that any Gallifreyan can regenerate into either a male or female, then why only one out of 13 for this particular Gallifreyan? Does the lack of "diversity" in regenerations indicate that Gallifreyan DNA favors males?

    Canon already addressed your question.

    #12 explicitly says that his exact face was chosen as a reminder about a human he saved (a character also played by Peter Capaldi), at the urging of Donna when he was leaving all to die in Pompeii. So, no, it is not random, even if it is not necessarily controllable.

    So the answer to your question is that some part of The Doctor presumably "decided" to be female at this moment in time. For whatever reason, he did not decide so before. It could just be a matter of habit that some Gallifreyans form.

  38. Re:Called it 2 doctors ago... by argStyopa · · Score: 1

    No, two doctors ago I said that the next doctor, and the following doctor would be white men, but subsequently the BBC would have to cave to the SJW lobby and (if Dr Who was continuing) the following one would be female.
    I'm posting my newest prediction here for retrieval & vindication when the subsequent doctors are as predicted.

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  39. Re:People still watch that crap? by Boronx · · Score: 1

    I think OP means the show is pretty dumb.

  40. Re:Social justice warriors... by Boronx · · Score: 2

    A lot of people genuinely do not like bigotry and think badly of bigots. They believe bigotry is stupid and leads to unnecessary harm.

    This is an alien concepts for bigots, so they make accusations of parroting. It's reminiscent of the difficulties the Germans had in 1914 in understanding French "terrorists." They could not believe the resistance was spontaneous and self-organized.

  41. Re:It Demeans Women by Boronx · · Score: 1

    The Dr. Isn't real. They aren't violating Timelord genetics by making the Dr. female. Consider it an artistic reinterpretation.

  42. Re:This is great news... now... give me more shows by arglebargle_xiv · · Score: 3, Funny

    Given that the Master has already appeared as a part-female character, it's just a small step for the Doctor to go all the way... "they're not breasts, they're Dalek bumps!".

  43. Re:This is great news... now... give me more shows by Tranzistors · · Score: 1

    Oh, you cheeky bastard! Mod this up!

  44. nah, gone already by Tom · · Score: 1

    With Capaldi, my interest in Doctor Who somehow plummeted. I can't even say why. I was a big, big fan of Christopher Eccleston and David Tennant. While Matt Smith was ok, I felt he was already a step down from Tennant, and I never warmed to Capaldi.

    That's why I would've been outraged had they made The Doctor change gender at the 12th incarnation, but now it's just one more reason not to watch the show anymore.

    Why? Because it's forced. It's an obvious deviation from the character development for no reason at all except submission to feminist outcry.

    But hey, maybe the next Wonder Woman can be a man? It's not about gender, right? Of course it is about gender. We are human beings. Gender is one if not the first thing we notice about another human being, instinctively. There is nothing that is not about gender. Let's stop pretending that the sky is yellow and pigs fly. Doctor Who is a male character, and that is a part of who he is, just like him having two hearts. Gender is not some random biological detail that you can change like a hat. Any biologist can tell you that its effects on the body go beyond primary and secondary sex organs. Its effect on the mind are less clear, research is ongoing, but nobody with any knowledge on the matter would claim that there are none.

    To change the gender of the character is to make him another character. And that's total bullshit in a series named after its character. They could've made a spin-off with a female doctor, a different character, and that would've been completely fine. I probably would've watched it. Or a spin-off based on River Song or Idris or even on Missy.

    But hey, let's wait for the Wonder Woman movie starring Orlando Bloom and we'll see what all the people now shouting me down with "gender doesn't matter" will say then. :-)

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    1. Re:nah, gone already by Baron_Yam · · Score: 1

      >With Capaldi, my interest in Doctor Who somehow plummeted. I can't even say why.

      Electric guitar and sonic sunglasses?

      Capaldi's performances were great (the manic energy, the unironic arrogance especially when confronting arrogance, the lecturing and the running, even a slight bit of 'alienness'). I bought him as the Doctor... it was the material that sucked.

      Take a look at 'Kill the Moon' - the Moon is a space dragon egg, containing a space dragon that somehow breathes and flies in vacuum, is born pregnant, and can immediately lay an egg bigger than itself... oh, and the Doctor's willing to let the whole Earth burn or the unborn dragon die on the decision of an uninformed companion.

      Seriously, who writes this shit?

    2. Re:nah, gone already by Tom · · Score: 1

      Yeah, Kill the Moon was written on drugs, that much is clear. But no, it was the performance of Capaldi that put me off. Not that it is bad in any way. It just... doesn't fit. Not for me.

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  45. Re:I'm excited about this! Now make more than 10 e by Tranzistors · · Score: 1

    British TV shows tend to be written by the show creators, a relatively small team

    I should add that roughly half of Doctor Who episodes are written by “guest writers”, but Doctor Who is not a typical British TV example.

  46. Re:Nurse Who by Pseudonym · · Score: 1

    The Doctor could regenerate as Rory, you mean?

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  47. Re:This is great news... now... give me more shows by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 1

    OK, he's a wer.

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  48. Looking forward by NoZart · · Score: 1

    to the next date with River Song :D

  49. Pamela Anderson by CanEHdian · · Score: 1

    Too bad they weren't able to get Pamela Anderson for the role; scheduling conflicts. She's be playing the lead role in the re-imagination of the Blade movies (all 3 of them, and maybe a fourth).

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  50. Re:We didn't need a female Doctor by Baron_Yam · · Score: 1

    >in the classic series the TARDIS was portrayed as having a will of her own,

    You've made the same ignorant mistake Moffat did, congratulations.

  51. Re:Called it 2 doctors ago... by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

    2 Doctors ago you called "there will be another two white, male doctors, and then a woman"?

    Or did you just make a vague prediction that one day there would be a female doctor, knowing that eventually the unbroken run of male doctors might come to and end eventually and if it didn't well no-one is doing to remember some random comment posted by argStyopa on Slashdot.

    Anyway, I bookmarked your comment. In ~8 years time we can see if you are right.

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  52. Re:Sexist by H0p313ss · · Score: 1

    Time to grow a pair guys and join the 21st century.

    Wow. What a Sexist thing to say...

    Try harder

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  53. Re:Cultural appropriation by oh_my_080980980 · · Score: 1

    MOD UP!

    In a nutshell. Lazy writers that can't write a decent female lead so they decided to appropriate an established character.

  54. Re:We didn't need a female Doctor by mjwx · · Score: 1

    Re-imagining the Doctor has been kinda the point ever since the first re-generation. The whole idea of the show for N years now has been 'OK, now we've got a new primary, how's this one different'. If that doesn't work for you, I can't see why you'd have watched Eccleston, let alone be commenting on the subject.

    Really?

    I thought it was a (rather ingenious) way of covering up the replacement of a major actor.

    Then again, Doctor Who has never been ashamed of pulling out a little deus ex machina.

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  55. Pandering at it's worst... by oh_my_080980980 · · Score: 1

    The issue is quite simple, the writers are incapable of a writing an original female lead character. They have to appropriate an established character.

    Case in point, the master. In an incredible WTF moment, the writers decide to do a gender bender and make the Master a female and give the character the ridiculousness name Missy - can't call a female character Master eh boys...given the fact that the Master character was basically written off in the End of Time episode, the writers having incredible writers block decided to bring back the Master with a gender change. Why? To have a female lead? To have a female counter part to the Dr? There's just one problem.

    THEY ALREADY HAD A FUCKING FEMALE LEAD CHARACTER, A TIME LORD WHO WAS A COUNTERPART TO THE DR! THE RANI !!!!

    The Rani appeared in The Mark of The Rani (third serial of the 22nd season ). A character with more depth than the Master. But the brain dead writers couldn't think of using an established female lead character. Good creative writing would have tapped into this vain. But no, somehow gender bending is more creative.

    When you have Thor as a woman and Starbuck as a woman and endless shows that have dealt with characters switching sexes and the ramifications, DW is just another program doing what has already been done. Boring.

    Here's a thought, kill off the Dr. and continue the show with a different character. You know his daughter Jenny (Series 4 Ep 7), she's a time lord. But that would be too creative and risky right...

    1. Re:Pandering at it's worst... by Baron_Yam · · Score: 2

      > In an incredible WTF moment, the writers decide to do a gender bender

      This was not an isolated decision, it was a workup to sex-swapping the title character. Along with introducing the Corsair. And having the Doctor flirt with Harkness.

      In the future, everybody's pansexual and gender fluid because they're better than us.

      Weird how the oppressed sexual minority fought so long to you know, NOT be oppressed for their nature only to turn around and start telling everyone it's actually a choice and the straight majority is wrong for not being just like them. Its like people are stupid and never learn.

  56. Re:We didn't need a female Doctor by Baron_Yam · · Score: 1

    > the solution for having your hero not being what you want isn't to change them but to create new ones.

    Generally, I agree... but you're looking at the wrong problem. This is about forcing a worldview on everyone else, and from that perspective the changes make perfect sense; it's not about wanting a new hero, it's about changing your old one. It's about propaganda, dressed up as 'fairness' or 'representation'. And if the show fails, it won't be because they ruined the lead character, it'll be because we're all bigots. Self-awareness is not high up on the list of traits for people enthusiastically fighting for a cause they believe in.

    Essentially, you don't get to have traditions if it offends a group with influence, and having the Doctor always be a white heterosexual male was offensive to many people in the entertainment industry and a small but loud chunk of the fandom.

    What's interesting is they actually tried to work up to this change like nobody would notice - the Doctor flirting with men, the Corsair being mentioned as a sex-swapper, the Master becoming Missy. The shippers squeed and the rest of us shrugged because it didn't *really* matter.

    But this does. Sex does change things, men and women should be considered equals philosophically and legally... but we're not identical. The Doctor isn't going to be the Doctor. Then again, Moffat already fixed that since the current 'Doctor' is an nth generation clone of the guy we used to watch as of the episode 'Heaven Sent'. And depending on your interpretation, he might not have been the same guy since Amelia magically willed him back into existence in 'The Big Bang'.

    Moffat's always wanted to do this sex swap and finally got his way. Though honestly this is more of a 'last straw' deal for me. The stories have generally been getting dumber and dumber as any and all attempts at logic and consistency were thrown out the window. Moffat's awesome single episodes made him look like a breath of fresh air as RTD got stale (and I won't pretend RTD didn't preside over some cringy Doctor Who) and failed to build on his awesome start - but once Moffat had the reins it became obvious he had a limited repertoire and (long time fan of the show or not) didn't really understand the core of the show. Why he's a BBC darling I just don't understand.

    But give me a couple of weeks to get over it and you won't even have to see me post about it in Internet forums. I watched the new series because I grew up with the old so I'm not 100% attached to it. My kids never caught the Who-flu so I won't watch just because they are watching. I'll stop watching, then stop thinking about it, and the BBC won't give a damn unless a large chunk of the viewership does the same... at which point it'll be too late anyway.

  57. Re:This is great news... now... give me more shows by TheCastro1689 · · Score: 1

    He just did another season of Sherlock.

  58. Re:We didn't need a gurning northern doctor by Jerry+Atrick · · Score: 1

    Can't we just pretend Eccleston never happened? Please! His playing "Wallace" to Billy Pipers "Gromit" is a memory no one needs.

  59. Re:It Demeans Women by brantondaveperson · · Score: 1

    Kind of stretches the suspension of disbelief a bit.

    Completely. Unlike that whole time-travel thing. Maybe you're right about time lord DNA favoring male regenerations. Maybe it's because this show, like all others, reflects the time in which it is made, and it's only fairly recently that the world has grown up enough to realise that hero characters do not have to be guys the whole time.

    Back in the real world, many will view this as preachy SJW fodder, and the show will now always have that hanging over it

    No. Back in the real world, this show is watched by children, and trust me when I say that children will, literally, not care at all that the character is now a woman, because children are quite alot less set in their ways than you appear to be.

    I refused to watch the last season because of their introduction of a homosexual companion

    Completely. Unlike that other homosexual character that they already had several seasons ago. In point of fact, Bill's sexuality was referenced far less than, say, Amy's, since Bill hasn't even had a girlfriend, and Amy actually got married.

  60. Re:We didn't need a female Doctor by CanadianMacFan · · Score: 1

    It's not so much about the Doctor becoming a woman because I gave up on the series already. I got tired of the Doctor not being what made the Doctor really great in the first place. That started back with Smith and really started to show when the Doctor and Rory went looking for Amy. When the Cybermen couldn't help them then they just decided to blow up the fleet. I know the Cybermen are evil but the Doctor is always supposed to give them a chance to stop before being stopped. It was that idealistic part where the Doctor would even put risk his own life for his enemy until left with no choice that I admired. Then along came Matt Smiths incarnation and he starts blowing up enemies with much less hesitation.

    At least I get to enjoy the previous Doctors via Big Finish and their audio dramas. Some great stories and the Doctors are still true to form.

    I just don't see the attraction of changing the heroes to be more politically correct. They still have all of the history behind them. To me a new hero with a new story is much more appealing. We never found out what happened to the Doctor's daughter. There are lots of possibilities to introduce a new character in the universe. Changing the gender or race of a character, to me at least, feels like changing the name of a building when you find out something about that persons' history.

  61. Re:What about the Daaleks? by Beyond_GoodandEvil · · Score: 1

    What if they use their toilet plungers to rape the Doctor?
    Did you used to work in the NYPD?

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  62. Re:This is great news... now... give me more shows by stealth_finger · · Score: 1

    Because it is the BBC not Hollywood.

    No they're not, they literally have to do nothing to get their money and fill most of their airtime with pensioners going to car boot sales.

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  63. Not a problem per se, but... by Doghouse13 · · Score: 1

    I have no basic problem with the Doctor being female; it was always on the cards, and I personally don't even care if it's canon or not; it's a TV show, for goodness sake, and if it's fun to watch, I'll watch it. If I have DO any concern with it, it's that I wait with some trepidation to see what sort of Doctor, Jodie Whittaker is actually allowed to be by the writers/director(s) (will she always, not to put too fine a point on it, be a female Doctor - which would be disastrous - or can everyone forget that she's a woman and let her become, simply, The Doctor?). I also. more to the point, wait to see whether a female lead actually WORKS within the format (it could; it probably ought to; but it's possible that it simply won't gel). Either way - I certainly think one of the biggest mistakes the team could make, would be to keep rubbing our faces in the fact that Whittaker is a woman, in the way that, as others have said, they kept so clumsily reminding us that Bill was gay. (Yes, we got that, way back in her first episode. Very PC of you, have a sweetie. But frankly it added precisely zilch to the story lines or to her character; it felt like it was basically only there so that the team could feel smug about it. Yawn, nothing to see here, move on.)

    Oh, and on the evidence, I'd say the money is probably odds-on for an "ethnic" casting of some sort for her successor, too. My only surprise is that they didn't go for that this time as well as a woman, and kill two birds (so to speak) with one stone.