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Game of Thrones Pirates Being Monitored By HBO, Warnings On The Way (torrentfreak.com)

HBO is leaving no stones unturned in keeping Game of Thrones' piracy under control. The company is monitoring various popular torrent swarms and sending thousands of warnings targeted at internet subscribers whose connections are used to share the season 7 premiere of the popular TV series, reports TorrentFreak: Soon after the first episode of the new season appeared online Sunday evening, the company's anti-piracy partner IP Echelon started sending warnings targeted at torrenting pirates. The warnings in question include the IP-addresses of alleged BitTorrent users and ask the associated ISPs to alert their subscribers, in order to prevent further infringements. "We have information leading us to believe that the IP address xx.xxx.xxx.xx was used to download or share Game of Thrones without authorization," the notification begins. "HBO owns the copyright or exclusive rights to Game of Thrones, and the unauthorized download or distribution constitutes copyright infringement. Downloading unauthorized or unknown content is also a security risk for computers, devices, and networks." Under US copyright law, ISPs are not obligated to forward these emails, which are sent as a DMCA notification. However, many do as a courtesy to the affected rightsholders. The warnings are not targeted at a single swarm but cover a wide variety of torrents. TorrentFreak has already seen takedown notices for the following files, but it's likely that many more are being tracked.

282 comments

  1. This is what happens... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...when you have a good show, people want to see it. Remain flattered, nothing to see here, move along.

    1. Re:This is what happens... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Troll

      Good show? More fucking water cooler death pablum for the masses. I have never watched it and never will. Why? Just because it is so fucking popular. If it is that popular I am almost guaranteed to hate it.

      This world needs to get a life.

    2. Re: This is what happens... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

      I watched half of the first season. It sucks.

    3. Re: This is what happens... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nobody cares that you feel the compulsive need to declare how you don't like [popular thing].

    4. Re:This is what happens... by davester666 · · Score: 1

      No. Anytime someone watches one of HBO's shows, and HBO doesn't get all the money for watching the show, means that somewhere, an executive is passed out in his chair, and there is still a small amount of sperm left in his balls.

      Won't you think of that sperm, and make sure HBO gets all their money, so that a hooker can return to that office, and suck out that sperm? In between snorts of cocaine of course.

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    5. Re:This is what happens... by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 1

      We get it, you're special.

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    6. Re:This is what happens... by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 2

      FWIW, I've never watched GoT and never will, having suffered through the first 3 or 4 books until I came to the realisation that George RR Martin is a nothing more than a very long-winded troll taking cruel advantage of all of those who've never read I, Claudius.

      If I ever meet him in person, I may well have to be restrained from punching him in the face.

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    7. Re:This is what happens... by Bert64 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Some of us have no way to legally see it, so torrents are the only option.

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    8. Re:This is what happens... by stealth_finger · · Score: 0

      ...when you have a good show, people want to see it. Remain flattered, nothing to see here, move along.

      Also when you have a shit one that is hyped up beyond all belief apparently.

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    9. Re: This is what happens... by stealth_finger · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I watched half of the first season. It sucks.

      Same, for me its main problem was it started at the same time as spartacus and that was shit hot! While spartacus was basically equal parts hardcore violence, softcore porn and devious politics, game of thrones was all people being mopey, foreshadowing and a whole lot of fuck all going on.

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    10. Re:This is what happens... by hcs_$reboot · · Score: 2

      ...when you have a good show, people want to see it.

      Well, GoT gets slightly "walking deaded": the previous season (6) showed what happens when the show and the books take (slightly) different paths, sensationalism takes over the depth and subtlety found in the books, at times (season 6). Not awful - yet. But let's hope season 7 will not ressemble a Marvel recipe.

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    11. Re: This is what happens... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Many people like it, so I hate it...

    12. Re:This is what happens... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      While GRRM is an over-hyped screenwriter who's writing style is schizophrenic at best, the TV show is measurably better than that shameful waste of tree carcasses that "war of the roses ripoff with dragons and zombies" pulp is printed on.

    13. Re:This is what happens... by MitchDev · · Score: 1

      "We get it, you're "special"."

      FTFY

    14. Re:This is what happens... by Drethon · · Score: 2

      Some of us have no way to legally see it, so torrents are the only option.

      I've got ways to see it but paying for HBO is just annoying so I don't bother (to pay, or see it). I gave up after the fourth season or somewhere near there.

    15. Re:This is what happens... by LordWabbit2 · · Score: 1

      I gave up on the TV series because I've read the books.

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    16. Re:This is what happens... by allcoolnameswheretak · · Score: 2

      The TV series has gone beyond the books. Didn't you get the memo?

    17. Re: This is what happens... by sycodon · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      Meh...the best parts of Spartacus and GoT can be found on Pornhub.

      The rest is boring as shit.

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    18. Re:This is what happens... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      We get it, you're special.

      Different AC, here.

      Actually some people really do have tastes/preferences that tend to be under-represented (or completely different from) the general public as a whole. "It's really popular so I probably won't like it" really is a good heuristic for this kind of person. It has a high success rate. It helps to increase one's personal signal-to-noise ratio. I feel that way many times, myself. Although I usually will at least check out an episode here and there, because the few times I end up liking the thing I tend to REALLY enjoy it. A few things really are popular because of their intrinsic merits and not because of hype and marketing.

      The other AC just articulated it in a way you find distasteful. That's understandable. He or she put no effort into clearly explaining. And it's hard sometimes, not to be bitter when your own tastes/feelings/etc seem to never be represented. That's not really a claim of being special, at least not necessarily. I hope that makes sense.

    19. Re:This is what happens... by gnick · · Score: 0

      Some of us have no way to legally see it, so torrents are the only option.

      You don't have an Internet connection that could connect to HBO Now? You should be able to legally watch GoT, if you wanted to, without even having a TV or cable/satellite. What is your situation that you have "no way" to legally watch it? Are you living in a shack in the woods and posting to slashdot using smoke signals?

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    20. Re:This is what happens... by gnick · · Score: 2

      Apologies - I thought HBO Now was available globally. I guess you'd need a VPN. From the Wikipedia entry:

      HBO Now is only available to customers in the United States, Argentina, Colombia, Mexico, certain U.S. territories, and a few more countries.

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    21. Re:This is what happens... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I stopped watching when that happened. Didn't want any spoilers for when the book is released. A few couldn't be helped like the Jon being dead or not cliffhanger but well the series had diverged a lot from the books by that point anyway so I guess everything is possible.

    22. Re:This is what happens... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I did a GoT marathon, just to get caught up, and want those hours of my life back. Yes, GRRM is good with details and character history, but man, the fantasy world just fails. It just seems like a Nietzschen version of our own with bigger assholes on all sides, with some low level stuff (zombies, wildfire, a dragon or two) just thrown in.

      Hell, Moorcock's universe with Elric is less grim and more interesting. Even Steven Donaldson's whiny, self-pitying, pathetic excuse for a hero is better.

      Oh, the characters dying left and right. GRRM is not Shakespeare. More cool stuff, less mindless PvP. Thanks.

    23. Re: This is what happens... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Even Steven Donaldson's whiny, self-pitying, pathetic excuse for a hero is better."

      Now there's some words I never thought I would see together. With an endorsement like that, I guess I'll skip GoT too.

    24. Re: This is what happens... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Fire, ready, aim.

    25. Re:This is what happens... by networkBoy · · Score: 1

      of course it's also likely that those with no legal way to see it also have nothing to legally fear from downloading it for the most part...

      In a quasi related vein, I thought usenet was still the best place for DLs with minimal risk...

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    26. Re: This is what happens... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Living is popular. Perhaps you should avoid that too

    27. Re: This is what happens... by HumanWiki · · Score: 1

      You know nothing.

    28. Re: This is what happens... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Different AC here again....

      I mean I'm a different AC not that I'm here again.

      I swear...

      Fuck you!

    29. Re: This is what happens... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Most streaming services actively block VPN ip's, prohibit use in their terms of service, and some even flag/freeze your account if they see accounts even attempting to connect from known VPN ip addresses.

    30. Re:This is what happens... by LordWabbit2 · · Score: 1

      The TV series went "beyond" the books practically from the beginning, and no I did not subscribe to the hype, so I didn't get the memo.
      To be honest I don't watch much TV in general, I have better things to do with my spare time.

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    31. Re: This is what happens... by gnick · · Score: 1

      Seems like it would be silly any way to go around their protections to pay them when they've chosen not to do business with you. Torrent away.

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    32. Re:This is what happens... by allcoolnameswheretak · · Score: 1

      Woah dude! You're so rad!

    33. Re:This is what happens... by KingBenny · · Score: 1

      i think they would do good to make this the last season and finish in beauty before it stops being in the top ten most downloaded (lol) , b/c thats when they actually will see a loss and probably blame it more cos its downloaded less in the top 20-50 section, still not seeing how these "copyright partners" actuallyu cost more than they deliver ? i wouldnt spend a fucking dime on it, id advertise with it "THE #1 most downloaded show" now at half price ?
      will it EVER get through that people who download would in most cases either not pay for it anyway if they had to or else simply cant afford to (the reasoning where if you can afford a phone you can afford subscriptions does not apply to us gutter snipes btw
      if you want to be legalist about it : those companies are not law enforcement. The only way to see ips in a swarm is to be in it hence they break the law they try to enforce, thats a quick case but the united lobbies of the free world just dont fucking get it . Cost Expense = what does the lawyer team cost vs. how many of the downloads WOULD be sales if downloading was impossible ?
      the artists get nothing, the company distributing gets nothing but the lawyer bill, the "copyright" TROLL gets the money ... i think thats how it goes.
      its a waste of time, its a waste of resources, the top ten on torrentfreak is ALWAYS the top ten most popular = top ten making money its free fucking advertising, GET YOUR ASS OUT OF THE SIXTIES and into the 2020s ...
      jeezes fucking christ ... it must be a sapient thing, theres a bar here that hasnt turned profit in ... in i think over 20 years, every new owner lasts between six months (i think the minimum term or maybe a year) and two years ... i told the last one myself as she was cleaning out people who came there to drink... the spenders who like to get drunk, a bit rough round the edges but revenue in a gravelpit like rightwing naziville here. She all like O but i already have, we gonna turn this around to a good establishment, so in the end left with a few oldies who drink a coffee per hour ... contra-productive measures.
      she's gone ... this place isnt very business friendly ... meaning before i go off-topic, just like with that "we will make sure they pay US for the sales you didnt make (but no one says you would have in the first place) as a matter of principle you can pay us to tell them they can't do that cos its wrong even if the first rule of business would be to not spend money on pride unless it gets you more money back (where i come from such rules apply) yet even after 20 years that bar ALWAYS gets sold to the next guy or gal who rents it at exuberant prices, pays monthly, ends up earning less than they pay and have to file in the end ?
      why is that ? why do these people keep fallng for the same moneypits ?

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  2. Meanwhile... by Narcocide · · Score: 2

    HBO GO is only like $15/month, which in most of the first world is less than the value of the time you'd spend trying to find a pirated copy of every new episode before your co-workers spoil it for you.

    1. Re:Meanwhile... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Not available outside of the US, so there's that.
      If I want HBO's content, I need to pay an expensive cable subscription, I ain't doing that.
      After I got a warning email from HBO by my ISP, I just decided to Stream instead of Downloading. I'd like to see them monitor that.

    2. Re:Meanwhile... by Nostalgia4Infinity · · Score: 1

      Clearly you haven't used piratebay.

    3. Re:Meanwhile... by guruevi · · Score: 1

      Is it available without a $150 cable subscription? Not in my area.

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    4. Re:Meanwhile... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's assuming you have a connection fast enough to stream. I've lived in four different places in Seattle since I first moved here eighteen years ago, I've never lived anywhere that I could get a connection fast enough. I download with BitTorrent even though I'm more than willing to pay for HBO since they don't offer a download option. The latest episode is still downloading, and I started it Monday morning. I assume I'll get yet another DMCA notice for that.

    5. Re:Meanwhile... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Same here.. the services popping up that get around these issues just make pirating easier, safer and faster. In Australia, you can't get HBO GO, but you can get Foxtel on demand, which didn't work for GoT this season. Why bother messing around with the inferior legitimate ways? All the more power to Netflix. HBO just don't get it.. innovate for what your customer's expect or die.

    6. Re:Meanwhile... by safetyinnumbers · · Score: 1

      HBO Go is a streaming service that comes with the cable package, but HBO Now is the standalone version that requires no cable.

    7. Re: Meanwhile... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      HBO GO doesn't work very well with slower connections so I've resorted to pirating even I'm paying for GO.

    8. Re:Meanwhile... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Seriously. The shit is on TPB within minutes of release and in glorious HD to boot.

    9. Re:Meanwhile... by sheramil · · Score: 5, Insightful

      After I got a warning email from HBO by my ISP, I just decided to Stream instead of Downloading. I'd like to see them monitor that.

      I'd like to get this straightened out: when you torrent, the file divided up into pieces and sent to your computer in more-or-less random order, where it's reassembled and stored. when you stream, the file is divided up into pieces and sent to your computer sequentially, and the pieces are deleted after you see them. Aside from not having the pieces afterwards, how is this different in terms of their tracking you? In both cases the files are sent to you. Do you mean "use a proxy"? Or is the difference that a streaming viewer isn't sending pieces to other viewers and you believe that watching it illegally is less criminal than watching it and distributing it?

      As an Australian, I have no alternative but to torrent GOT. If I was burning the episodes to disc and selling them at the Caribbean Gardens Market on the weekends, that would be piracy. I consider what I'm doing to be "previewing" - if I think the content is worth it, I'll buy it on DVD, if and when they get around to actually SELLING the discs down here, to show my support for good content.

    10. Re:Meanwhile... by jonwil · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Good luck getting Game of Thrones in Australia legally without paying $46/month to Foxtel for the privileged (and another $10/month if you want HD)

    11. Re:Meanwhile... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      It really isn't.

      I pirated the first ep of GoT this season. Took less than a minute to find it on my preferred tracker, took about 10 minutes to download on my mid tier australian internet. On my shit arse wage, that works out to be about $5 worth of time.

      But I like doing things properly, and if there is an economical offering of content I will take it. I pay for netflix and youtube red/google play music. So I signed up for a trial of amazon prime video. I then find out on top of the $8.50 a month for prime, they want another $15 a month JUST for HBO. THEN I find out that isn't even available in my country.

      So remind me again why I would bother to go through the effort of illegally acquiring this content?

    12. Re:Meanwhile... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not going to mention one of the service's names, but you can stream it via a service that downloads the torrent to their servers, then shares to all users who use the same torrent (without having to re-download), then replicates the download across the world and you can stream from the highest speed server via https, which copies of the download are replicated to automatically. Pirates can innovate more than these companies can. Stupid execs.

    13. Re: Meanwhile... by TuballoyThunder · · Score: 0

      Because it is the ethical thing to do. Unfortunately, it appears that ethics is secondary to entertainment and being entertained has become a fundamental human right.

    14. Re:Meanwhile... by Baloroth · · Score: 5, Informative

      Streams are (usually) hosted by a single pirate site, which (presumably) isn't inclined to share their IP logs with the media companies. Torrents, however, are hosted by users, which can (and do) include monitoring companies hired by the media companies, which allows them to track the IP of pretty much everyone torrenting that file.. The only way the media companies can track streams is to either have direct access to the ISPs or hosting sites logs, both of which are possible, but considerably more work than tracking a torrent.

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    15. Re:Meanwhile... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ...and is not available in most countries.

    16. Re: Meanwhile... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Is it ethical to limit availability of a product in a particular region with the intent of price-gouging residents at 5x the price it is sold in the US?

      Perhaps you'd argue that two wrongs don't make a right, but a lot of Australians have an attitude of 'if you fuck me, I'll fuck you right back, but harder, ethics be damned'. The rest of the world, the media cartels, whoever, are welcome to think of these people as unethical, but let me assure you that they don't give two hoots what you think.

    17. Re:Meanwhile... by dwywit · · Score: 1

      Foxtel not available where you live?

      Not that I would recommend Foxtel to anyone, but it is the legitimate GoT channel in Australia.

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    18. Re:Meanwhile... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I also got one of those warnings. Another options would be to use a VPN before you download torrents. My VPN provider claims they keep no logs, I guess I'll eventually find out if that really is true or not :)

    19. Re:Meanwhile... by viperidaenz · · Score: 4, Informative

      As an Australian, you can pay $15/mo for Foxtel Now "Pop pack", which includes Game of Thrones and a bunch of other TV shows.
      That's cheaper than Americans who pay for HBO GO who have to pay $15USD

      https://www.foxtel.com.au/now/...

    20. Re:Meanwhile... by viperidaenz · · Score: 1

      If you just want Game of Thrones (and a bunch of other HBO shows too) you don't need Amazon Prime Video for $8.50 + $15
      You can pay $15AUD for Foxtel Now. Only available in Australia.

      Cheaper than the $14.99USD for HBO Now, only available in USA.

      How's that for "The Australian Tax"?

    21. Re:Meanwhile... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nah, I just used /r/megalinks to find an acceptable version Sunday night.

      Word verification: compel

    22. Re:Meanwhile... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'd say in your case, torrent away. You're not covered by the DMCA.

    23. Re:Meanwhile... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I am paying for HBO and yet i do prefer to download.....Go figure.
      Maybe because playing video from local computer is much faster and with better quality than playing over the wire, or using some funny web interface...or it is just much more convenient....

    24. Re: Meanwhile... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Following this logic HBO is not entitled to receive any money too.....

    25. Re: Meanwhile... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ITS NOT AVAILABLE IN CANADA, you can get HBO anywhere if you have cable....so fuck HBO

    26. Re: Meanwhile... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It is not. You are forgetting something very important. There is no free lunch. If HBO wants to benefit from the society, then HBO has to play by the rules of the society.

    27. Re:Meanwhile... by Ze+Wah · · Score: 1

      As long as the service works that doesn't look too bad.
      I wonder how much content there is, it would be good to have for a few months. Or even run the two week trial after the season has finished.

      Foxtel did have issues with streaming the first episode from what I have read, their servers were overloaded.

      The biggest problem is that now you need four or so services in order to watch what you want... that quickly adds up.

    28. Re: Meanwhile... by aevan · · Score: 0

      Sure it is. It entirely depends which branch/type of ethics you subscribe to. 'But that is unethical' is really a meaningless decry, it just means it isn't by THEIR set of ethics. People confuse it as clear-cut when it is just a field of philosophical debate.

    29. Re:Meanwhile... by ma1wrbu5tr · · Score: 1

      Hogwash! It takes about 30 seconds to find a torrent. This site is for nerds. Perhaps you should think about wandering back on over to Facebook.

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    30. Re:Meanwhile... by bug1 · · Score: 1

      We all know copyright is a government granted monopoly, so there is no legal competition for any specific work, there is only competition for categories of works.

      So "piracy" has emerged as price driver for content, its $15 because if they put the price up more people will pirating it.

      In a productive environment more (legal) participants should lead to a lower price. But if they use the courts and social pressure to stop people pirating they can put the price up and sell it to more people.

      Its a corruption of the market.

    31. Re:Meanwhile... by ma1wrbu5tr · · Score: 3, Informative

      Get a VPN. You can get a year for about the price of 2 months of HBO.

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    32. Re:Meanwhile... by ma1wrbu5tr · · Score: 1

      Forgot the /s

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    33. Re:Meanwhile... by PixetaledPikachu · · Score: 1, Informative

      After I got a warning email from HBO by my ISP, I just decided to Stream instead of Downloading. I'd like to see them monitor that.

      I'd like to get this straightened out: when you torrent, the file divided up into pieces and sent to your computer in more-or-less random order, where it's reassembled and stored. when you stream, the file is divided up into pieces and sent to your computer sequentially, and the pieces are deleted after you see them. Aside from not having the pieces afterwards, how is this different in terms of their tracking you? In both cases the files are sent to you. Do you mean "use a proxy"? Or is the difference that a streaming viewer isn't sending pieces to other viewers and you believe that watching it illegally is less criminal than watching it and distributing it?

      >

      You are a pirate if you have a hand in making the a pirated content available online. When you leech a torrent content, you are also sending the part that are stored in your local storage to other downloader, which more or less is the same as burning the episode to a disc and sell them. Streaming on the other hand only make you a consumer of pirated contents, which is not a target of DMCA take down

    34. Re:Meanwhile... by sheramil · · Score: 1

      I had Foxtel for about six months. I was fast-talked into it by a door-to-door salesman, of all people, who claimed that a certain channel I was interested in (can't remember the name, but it had a vaguely Gothic theme) would be available very soon. It wasn't. It never came about, and I was left with - as TISM sang in their song "Big Fucking Whoopee" -

      Pay T.V: Gilligan's Island.

      Rugby.

      Gilligan's Island again.

      BFW.

      I would be interested in seeing what the most recent episode of GOT Foxtel has. I doubt somehow it's season 7.

    35. Re:Meanwhile... by sheramil · · Score: 1

      You are a pirate if you have a hand in making the a pirated content available online. When you leech a torrent content, you are also sending the part that are stored in your local storage to other downloader, which more or less is the same as burning the episode to a disc and sell them.

      What if I choke my upload rate down to zero, and don't seed? I'd be a leeching asshole by torrent community standards, but I'd be - well, not a good citizen, but slightly less of a bad one, to HBO.

    36. Re:Meanwhile... by jezwel · · Score: 1

      It is season 7. Unfortunately the service was so popular that the ID authentication system couldn't handle the load so a big chunk of their userbase - including 10's of thousands of new subscribers - couldn't actually watch it when it was aired...

    37. Re:Meanwhile... by rtb61 · · Score: 1

      Game of Thrones, regardless of all the hype and bullshit, just is not that great, simply dragged on and on, too much. The only reason is seem so great is because relative to the other stuff out there at the moment it is far better, some real crap out there. Besides, binge watching is the only way to go. I only watch a season when it is complete and sometimes I will stream the first episode if there is a cliff hanger, rather than wait. My real preference is to wait until a series is fully completed and watch the whole thing one episode after another, so much so, I typically wont access a series until three seasons have been produced.

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    38. Re:Meanwhile... by Powercntrl · · Score: 3, Funny

      Its a corruption of the market.

      No, if you don't want to pay: don't watch it. We're not talking about some movie Disney made a million years ago and everyone who worked on it is retired or dead - this is a show which is in current production. They have every right to earn money on something they've just invested money in bringing to the screen.

      Perhaps in 20 years you'd be right to bitch if they're still being copyright nazis about something they've long since abandoned, ya know?

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    39. Re:Meanwhile... by quenda · · Score: 1

      As an Australian, you can pay $15/mo for Foxtel Now "Pop pack", which includes Game of Thrones

      That's a huge improvement over past seasons, which required a very expensive Foxtel package.
      However, limited platforms, and the "Foxtel Now" Android app is a steaming pile of excrement. e.g. it works with chromecast, but no FF/RWD ability, just pause. Mostly 1-star ratings in the Play Store. If you have a "Telstra TV" device, it might be better?

      A good, funny, explanation of Foxtel Now here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

      I'll stick with Netflix, iView and SBS, and torrent the dragons.

    40. Re:Meanwhile... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      pieces are deleted after you see them

      unless you record the stream

      how is this different in terms of their tracking you?

      You can track bittorrent peers by just being a bittorrent peer. To track streams or downloads from an http server, you have to control the server or part of the network, which is much harder. TFA even pretends that "these views can’t be monitored", which is an exaggeration -- there is precedent for copyright trolls or police running filehosts to entrap downloaders. So not totally safe, but safer.
      Also, streaming isn't even illegal in some jurisdictions.

    41. Re:Meanwhile... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As an Australian, you can pay $15/mo for Foxtel Now "Pop pack", which includes Game of Thrones and a bunch of other TV shows.
      That's cheaper than Americans who pay for HBO GO who have to pay $15USD

      Yeah, but then you have to use Australian internet.

    42. Re:Meanwhile... by rastos1 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      As an Australian, I have no alternative but to torrent GOT.

      What about "not giving a flying fuck" option?

    43. Re:Meanwhile... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      HBO is available in parts of the EU (as HBO Nordic for €10/month). With EU regulations stating you can't limit digital services to just part of the EU you should be able to use it anywhere in the EU (but they block it anyway)..

    44. Re: Meanwhile... by fafalone · · Score: 1

      Ethics? I pay for the TV subscription. Anything that airs on TV I can watch doesnt even approach unethical. So that's virtually all shows, movies, and music. My fair use right to record and format shift doesn't cease to exist because I obtain a copy easier, or because the media companies have an ongoing campaign to prevent personal copies of what you legally watch.

    45. Re: Meanwhile... by cyber-vandal · · Score: 1

      What are you talking about? What arbitrary fines?

    46. Re: Meanwhile... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      https://www.foxtel.com.au/watch/gameofthrones.html

      What's your argument now?

    47. Re: Meanwhile... by cyber-vandal · · Score: 2

      Care to name said laws.

    48. Re: Meanwhile... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe, but your IP would still be registered on the tracker, and they might still come after you.

    49. Re: Meanwhile... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And there are hardly any boobs now.
      Ahhh the episodes where Emilia got her tits out! Good times.

    50. Re: Meanwhile... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're exceptional, aren't you?

    51. Re:Meanwhile... by bug1 · · Score: 1

      You entirely missed the point about efficiency of the market.

    52. Re:Meanwhile... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      More importantly, streaming is legal for the end user since he isn't uploading anything.

    53. Re:Meanwhile... by wildstoo · · Score: 1

      Just torrent from behind a decent VPN. Many VPNs support torrenting and provide settings guides for major torrent clients. It's usually significantly slower than connecting to the swarm directly, but that's the price of privacy.

    54. Re:Meanwhile... by thegarbz · · Score: 2

      I think more legally important is that torrenting relies on user "sharing" i.e. uploading and downloading the content, while streaming is a typically one way process.

      Has anyone ever actually been charged for "downloading" content? I know we have hundreds of stories of people being done for uploading or making available.

    55. Re: Meanwhile... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I had hbo legitimately through my cable TV the last 2 times they decided to threaten me.

      I haven't torrented since college. Fuck you, hbo. Cancelled my subscription, and I don't waste my time on game of thrones anyway.

    56. Re: Meanwhile... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Parent here. I want to do the ethical thing, as exemplified by my subscriptions to netflix and google music. Both things I could pirate just as easily as Game of Thrones, and I used to in the past.

      But HBO aren't willing to meet me half way. In their pursuit of ALL of the money, they get NONE of my money. They are not willing to offer an economically reasonable method of accessing their content, so instead I will entirely eschew the economic method of accessing their content.

      When it comes to victimless crimes (I'm sure the actors and GRRM are literally starving because I pirated that episode earlier this week), the other AC is entirely right, "if you fuck me, I'll fuck you right back, but harder, ethics be damned". Piracy is a service problem, and if you aren't willing to service me to begin with then I don't really give a shit about your ethical posturing.

    57. Re:Meanwhile... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I would rather choke to death on a bag of penises than give money to Foxtel. $15AUD is too much for ONLY HBO's offerings too.

    58. Re:Meanwhile... by gravewax · · Score: 2

      you left out the part that with Foxtel Now it will be a gamble as to whether the service works, you have limited device types you can view it on and it won't be streamed in HD on the day. seems fucking expensive for such a poor offering.

    59. Re:Meanwhile... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Foxtel now streams game of thrones in sub HD, that is if the servers are even working,

    60. Re: Meanwhile... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There were dicks too. Share the love!

    61. Re:Meanwhile... by Kjella · · Score: 1

      Or is the difference that a streaming viewer isn't sending pieces to other viewers and you believe that watching it illegally is less criminal than watching it and distributing it?

      From what I've understood of US law, yes. The exclusive rights of a copyright holder include reproduction (that is, storage to a medium) and distribution (sending it to someone else), but streaming doesn't use any of those rights. Copies that are purely transitory like buffers and caches do not count as storage. Note that it's more about the nature of the use than the actual technology, if you start a hundred copies of a piece of software from one shared network drive they may consider that as a hundred fixed copies even though they're only stored to RAM, that is still a gray area. But unless they've made any additions to the law recently I haven't caught, watching streamed content is legal at least with respect to copyright law. This logic would not apply to anything that violates any other laws though.

      I know they here in Norway have created some kind of quasi-law to make watching streamed pirate copies illegal but I think it's mostly symbolic because the requirements is basically that you know it's a pirate copy and you're doing it intentionally. How is anyone to know what sites have licensed and what artists may or may not have made their stuff available for public distribution through any medium? And you're under no obligation to investigate. Basically it's a feelgood law that says anything on YouTube is okay, if you visit a pirate site you might be doing something wrong. I really doubt they'll manage to prove a single case ever though, particularly since they also have to prove beyond a reasonable doubt who was streaming first, then what that streaming person thought. But hey, it's officially illegal here.

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    62. Re:Meanwhile... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Three things:

      1- The ISP still sees you connecting to the pirate website. They may be under a judicial order to log and report any such connections, so you are already in trouble.
      2- You have no plausible deniability. If you connect to the pirate bay, it is no worse than connecting to Google (all they have is a bunch of links). On the other hand, if you connect to a pirate site and start streaming gigs of data - something that ABSURDLY OBVIOUS to anyone monitoring your connection (ISP) - no media company is going to have any problem proving that you pirated something.
      3- If the pirate site gets raided, authorities gain access to the server logs, with your fingerprints all over them. Timestamps, IP addresses, user agents, cookie data, the lot. Even if you used a proxy, they may have enough data to finger you, if they really want to.

      Basically, you are arguing in favour of a single point of favour, which is beyond stupid.

      IF you want to pirate - and I suggest that you don't, since there is GOBS of content available in multiple LEGAL places for cheap to last you a lifetime - the best way to go about it is bittorrent over tor. Yeah, it's slow as fuck, but let's seem them tracing that.

    63. Re:Meanwhile... by sheramil · · Score: 1

      There are already a huge number of shows I don't give a flying fuck about, most of them about celebrity cooks, real estate and non-entities trapped in film sets that look like a house.

    64. Re:Meanwhile... by Subm · · Score: 1

      > As an Australian, I have no alternative but to torrent GOT

      You can not watch.

    65. Re:Meanwhile... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is how they find out you are downloading a torrent:

      You become the host of some of the pieces of this file. Even though it is not complete, you share the pieces with other people.

      HBO is also downloading this torrent and collects the IP addresses of the connections it makes for downloading these pieces.

      They cannot find out who is streaming because they are not downloading anything from you. They would need to confiscate the servers in order to do that.

      I stream... it's easier that way.

    66. Re:Meanwhile... by Carewolf · · Score: 3, Informative

      The VPNs are now blocked by the geo-lockers such as Netflix and HBO. So that doesn't help, unless you find a particularly small and obscure VPN provider they haven't identified and blocked yet.

    67. Re:Meanwhile... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not available outside of the US, so there's that.

      That's a lie. GoT is available in most markets through other channels that broadcast HBO content.

    68. Re:Meanwhile... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So? It's a premium show on the dearest subscription only channel in the US. HBO is not free or part of a cheap bundle, it's the most expensive channel to get beyond season-ticket type sports events and PPV.

    69. Re:Meanwhile... by houghi · · Score: 1

      Well, that means that you won't get it, unless you pay. If that is their price, that is their price. Availability does not mea you have a right to it.

      I do agree that it is stupid and copyright laws in general are stupid, but that is how it is.

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    70. Re:Meanwhile... by cmseagle · · Score: 2

      $15/mo. Link.

      At $3.75/episode, I think that pretty convincingly sinks the argument of "I have NO CHOICE but to pirate Game of Thrones because no one will offer it at a reasonable price!"

    71. Re:Meanwhile... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      English isn't your first language, is it? Too, many commas, or maybe you're not even out of high school, yet.

      I think it is that great. Simply because I rather like it and the visuals and mythos behind it all. Different people put different amounts of value on different interests, so don't come out saying "XXXX is not that great" like it's a fact. That's what YOU think.

    72. Re:Meanwhile... by dfm3 · · Score: 1

      If I want HBO's content, I need to pay an expensive cable subscription, I ain't doing that.

      Not if you live in the US. We don't have a cable subscription, and sprung for the free trial of HBO Go last year (I think you get 30 days before you're charged?) so that we could catch up on the whole series without having to mess with torrents. Our original plan was to cancel the trial before we had to pay, but in the end we decided to pay for one month out of principal - $15 to binge watch six seasons was well worth it to us.

    73. Re:Meanwhile... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This. All the other nonsense about ethics, efficiency of the market, blah blah blah, is just a lame attempt to convince yourself that you "deserve" it. Stuff that. This just reeks of a bunch of entitled basement dwellers/millennials who think they are owed everything they want, with no cost, no work, and no guilt.

    74. Re:Meanwhile... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "No, if you don't want to pay: don't watch it."

      Also known as stop whining and do the right thing. "Efficiency of the market" is just your excuse for the real reason which is you're an entitled spoiled brat.

    75. Re:Meanwhile... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      The VPNs are now blocked by the geo-lockers such as Netflix and HBO. So that doesn't help, unless you find a particularly small and obscure VPN provider they haven't identified and blocked yet.

      The VPN is for safely downloading pirate torrents, not viewing a Netflix account. If you're going to comment on something, it really, really helps when you have the slightest clue about it.

    76. Re: Meanwhile... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Tor? You sound clueless.

    77. Re:Meanwhile... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I consider what I'm doing to be "previewing"

      Dear Sheramil,

      We at HBO thank you for your considered opinion of the law. We think that all of our potential customers should have a voice in how they are able to view our content.

      However, our extremely large and enormously over-paid legal department would like to remind you that your opinions do not matter. We paid good money to get what is certainly a local civil matter turned into a United States Federal Statute and we are not letting a little git like you change our minds now.

      Please remain where you are. Our team of 'representatives' will be arriving shortly to 'discuss payment'.

      Thank you again.

      HBO

    78. Re: Meanwhile... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I can't get that service

    79. Re:Meanwhile... by mjwx · · Score: 2

      As an Australian, you can pay $15/mo for Foxtel Now "Pop pack", which includes Game of Thrones and a bunch of other TV shows.
      That's cheaper than Americans who pay for HBO GO who have to pay $15USD

      https://www.foxtel.com.au/now/...

      But that involves giving money to the most evil man on the planet. Given the fact that they cant actually do anything but send warnings to Australians, it's a no brainier.

      If you want my money, you need to give me the video forever, which I can watch on my schedule, in a format I find acceptable and from a source I dont find evil. Right now, torrents beats the legitimate option on 3 or more of those criteria.

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    80. Re:Meanwhile... by dfghjk · · Score: 1

      "...which in most of the first world is less than the value of the time you'd spend trying to find a pirated copy of every new episode before your co-workers spoil it for you."

      How much time do you think it takes to find 4 episodes a month? You seriously think the value of that time is greater than $15 in "most of the first world"? Delusional thinking.

      I would expect anyone of average ability to be able to accomplish this in only a few minutes.

      Then there's the matter of HBO's delays in making content available to internet-only subscribers. It is common to be able to see broadcasted content sooner via torrent than waiting for HBO to make it available online. If "co-workers spoil it for you" is a concern, torrent is clearly preferred.

    81. Re:Meanwhile... by TheCastro1689 · · Score: 1

      I don't think so, I think most of those people just get a cease and desist and a threat to cut off internet service, and since there isn't another provider, people stop downloading.

    82. Re:Meanwhile... by sremick · · Score: 1

      If you were using a VPN, how did you get one of the notices/warnings?

    83. Re:Meanwhile... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I suppose might makes right in this case. Is a law and a few fat-cat lawyers really going to tell millions of people what they can and can't do?

    84. Re: Meanwhile... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's more than Netflix, and Netflix has better content

    85. Re:Meanwhile... by gnick · · Score: 1

      Three things:

      1- The ISP still sees you connecting to the pirate website.

      My ISP sees me connecting to my VPN.

      2- ...if you connect to a pirate site and start streaming gigs of data - something that ABSURDLY OBVIOUS to anyone monitoring your connection (ISP)...

      Don't care.

      3- If the pirate site gets raided, authorities gain access to the server logs, with your fingerprints all over them. Timestamps, IP addresses, user agents, cookie data, the lot. Even if you used a proxy, they may have enough data to finger you, if they really want to.

      Admittedly, there are ways to identify computers other than IP. But visiting TPB in an "incognito" tab over a VPN should minimize what's available in the logs. Also you've got to wonder how much these pirate sites are bothering to log - I'd imagine TPB doesn't take very aggressive steps trying to identify its users. Don't want them tracing your fingerprints? Wear gloves. Making yourself too difficult to track to be worth their while doesn't take a rocket surgeon.

      the best way to go about it is bittorrent over tor

      No. It's not. Tor's for shopping at the AlphaBay competitors.

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    86. Re:Meanwhile... by EllisDees · · Score: 1

      You can find a high quality pirated copy of GoT the moment the episode is over on the Pirate Bay. 3 clicks and you're watching it.

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    87. Re:Meanwhile... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      $6 a month for my VPN subscription, and I can DL anything I can find whether its owned by HBO or not.

    88. Re:Meanwhile... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      doesn't matter if you bypass HBO and Netflix altogether and simply use your VPN to grab a torrent...

    89. Re:Meanwhile... by WolfgangVL · · Score: 2

      You're doing it wrong, or spreading FUD on purpose.

      Connect through a decent privacy focused VPN and all your ISP or anyone between you and your VPN provider sees is an encrypted connection. Yer ship be sailin under bleedin fog cover, matey.

      Use not-chrome to browse with. Seriously, Chrome is fast, but it's designed by the company that makes is bread by harvesting your data and selling it. Think about it. Arrr! Leaky ships sink, me buckos!

      A decent private site wont get raided, as it's a small community of users on an invite only basis. Tough to find, hard to get into, and worth it 1000X over.
      If it does get raided then you can rest easy cuz you use a VPN and a unique alias when doing less than legal activities.. right? The crew dont take just any ol wet behind the ears landlubber sir, your gonna have to commit to me crew, and me crew has to believe it.

      TPB is a big free-for-all, and useful for obscure files you can't find anywhere else. The things listed on the top 100 should be avoided at all costs, they are the perfect place for a snitch to join a swarm and harvest IPs. If using the TPB without a VPN, set your upload to nothing. It's bad form to leech like that, but it's also bad form to act as an easy honeypot. It is what it is. Guarded treasure!

      Bit torrent over TOR is the best huh? How about you keep yer bleedin sailin advise to yerself if that the best ye got there, scallywag.

      And GOT? Are they going to send 100k threatening letters a week? No chance. Not even the crown itself can field that many ships friend, but you can bet yer jack they be tryin ta make ye believe they can.

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    90. Re:Meanwhile... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      After I got a warning email from HBO by my ISP, I just decided to Stream instead of Downloading. I'd like to see them monitor that.

      I'd like to get this straightened out: when you torrent, the file divided up into pieces and sent to your computer in more-or-less random order, where it's reassembled and stored. when you stream, the file is divided up into pieces and sent to your computer sequentially, and the pieces are deleted after you see them. Aside from not having the pieces afterwards, how is this different in terms of their tracking you? In both cases the files are sent to you. Do you mean "use a proxy"? Or is the difference that a streaming viewer isn't sending pieces to other viewers and you believe that watching it illegally is less criminal than watching it and distributing it?

      As an Australian, I have no alternative but to torrent GOT. If I was burning the episodes to disc and selling them at the Caribbean Gardens Market on the weekends, that would be piracy. I consider what I'm doing to be "previewing" - if I think the content is worth it, I'll buy it on DVD, if and when they get around to actually SELLING the discs down here, to show my support for good content.

      They get you because when you torrent a file you send bits and pieces of the total to others, that is precisely how they log your IP.
      If you stream you download and view it but do not share it.

    91. Re: Meanwhile... by Brockmire · · Score: 1

      It's automated. They'll send MILLIONS of notices in the next week. I don't pirate GoT (I have Canadian and US satellite subs), but I do think getting notices right away instead of months later is better. The last notice was 4 months from the download date. I think that's intentional.

    92. Re: Meanwhile... by marka63 · · Score: 1

      As a Australian I am legally watching GoT on FOXTEL from Optus which does a simultaneous broadcast with the US broadcast.

    93. Re: Meanwhile... by Brockmire · · Score: 1

      Do you speed up the video or something? Faster than wire? Sounds like you're doing it wrong.

    94. Re: Meanwhile... by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      Which theory of ethics are we operating under here? And what assumptions are you making?

      Under a no harm-no foul approach, pirating something when you can't legally buy it is justifiable, to give an example. There's also ethical frameworks in which retaliation is ethical.

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    95. Re:Meanwhile... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're wrong on so many levels. If the luddites or idiots (I can't tell which they are, assuming they're not both) who run the TV networks are thinking the way you think, then that explains why they have failed to make a dent in piracy: because they don't even understand it, or how fucking awesome it is compared to their relatively weak product.

      First of all, HBO Go is a streaming service. It's not like they actually sell you the file. You have to run proprietary software to access the stream, and it's over the internet instead of local storage, so it has all the reliability and performance problems that come with streaming. HBO Go sucks for the same reasons that Netflix sucks. It simply isn't going to happen. Even if it were free (as in beer) the worthiness of the effort would be dubious.

      Second, I don't "spend time" looking for pirated copies. My robots do that. Ten minutes after GoT finishes showing on TV somewhere, my computer is downloading the pirated file automatically without me doing anything. This isn't an exaggeration. If you think pirating is a hassle, you are a decade or so behind the times. The applications have become every bit as excellent as the release groups.

      I don't need it for free. I'd be willing to pay. But that can only happen if they sell, and they need to sell a file comparable to what pirates have. That's the baseline performance standard and anyone who doesn't live up to it, isn't trying.

      (And the above paragraph is really more like my position as of a decade ago. In 2017 to compete, they need one more thing: an API, so that I can automatically buy the file. That's essentially what pirates do now, and so now it is the baseline performance standard for someone who wants to offer a product as good as the pirates.)

      Anyone looking to fight piracy needs to start looking at piracy. See how great it is, and match it or beat it on everything except price. As long as they keep offering something so dramatically inferior to the convenient files (and convenient interfaces for getting those files distributed), they're going to look like a joke. And they're going to be waiting for a competitor who does understand and value user convenience, to show up and wipe the floor with them.

    96. Re: Meanwhile... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Some people's WAN links aren't very fast (or sometimes they're busy), so the only way to stream (i.e. download at the same time you're watching it) is to sacrifice bitrate.

      When you relax the requirement that the user has to watch it at the same time (e.g. if you allow it to take 2 hours to download 1 hour of video) then you can have a higher bitrate. It also makes you resistant to various problems. I can't control the performance or reliability of the rest of the world's networks, but after enough retries or waiting until I have the file, I do have a reliable LAN that I can trust with realtime delivery to TV computer.

      Streaming is theoretically capable of being as good as local playback, and maybe some day it will be. But today it's still not, or at least not everywhere. If streaming is good enough for you, well, lucky you.

    97. Re:Meanwhile... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Streams are (usually) hosted by a single pirate site, which (presumably) isn't inclined to share their IP logs with the media companies. Torrents, however, are hosted by users, which can (and do) include monitoring companies hired by the media companies, which allows them to track the IP of pretty much everyone torrenting that file.. The only way the media companies can track streams is to either have direct access to the ISPs or hosting sites logs, both of which are possible, but considerably more work than tracking a torrent.

      Interesting theory. So if I download a torrent hosted by a "monitoring company" who is hired by the medium producer, aren't I actually downloading a legally distributed copy?

    98. Re: Meanwhile... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sounds like you haven't pirated anything since the mid 2000's. Nearly everyone uses a logless VPN now.

    99. Re: Meanwhile... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, dude most be so used to talking out of his ass to the technology ignorant that he forgot to pull his head out when he's around the real deal.

    100. Re:Meanwhile... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      46 dollars is a low - middle bracket cable bill. Not cheap, not expensive but average. Compare that to say USA where they have so much content that racking up a 300 dollar monthly cable bill is very easy. Complaining about the price of something that isn't even a high price is pathetic....I could understand if there was somewhere on Earth where they get full cable subscriptions for 5 dollars a month but there isn't anywhere like that and what we pay for content in Australia is neither cheap nor expensive. Compare that to say Japan where they sell anime to their own citizens at 4-5 times the price that I can buy it here in Australia even after it's been dubbed and subbed, and they have TV shows like Gundam Origin where they pay PER EPISODE.

    101. Re:Meanwhile... by jonwil · · Score: 1

      The point is that in America you can pay $14.99/month to get Game of Thrones but in Australia you have to pay a lot more which means the incentive to pirate GoT here in Oz is much bigger.

    102. Re:Meanwhile... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You should use the VPN, if you torrent (linux isos of course).

  3. IP addresses of? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I thought the point of that smelly onion router (SOR!) was to hid the krims' IP address. No!?

  4. Oh nos. Not a warning! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    https://thepiratebay.org/search/game%20of%20thrones/0/99/0

    1. Re:Oh nos. Not a warning! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  5. The monitoring services they use suck by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I got two DMCA warnings a little over a year ago accusing me of pirating Game of Thrones, and I'm paying for HBO mainly just for that one show. I use BitTorrent, but I did not torrent Game of Thrones.

    1. Re:The monitoring services they use suck by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I think they pick IP addresses at random. I work for a tiny cable ISP, and we've gotten DMCA notices for addresses that have never been used.

    2. Re:The monitoring services they use suck by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      There's also the possibility that the torrent swarm list has false endpoints in it deliberately to poison any data gathered from monitoring the swarm. Personally, I would _expect_ all public trackers to add false peers into the mix as doing so increases plausible deniability for the real peers. Whether they actually do, I don't know, since I don't use them, but I've heard rumours of this activity in the past.

      Anyone wanting to monitor would then have to actively connect to advertised peers to ensure they exist, then transfer some valid data, to check it's a legitimate peer - a simple TCP handshake is not sufficient since it might be some other random service you've connected to. This increases the resources required from whoever is trying to monitor the swarm.

    3. Re:The monitoring services they use suck by AmiMoJo · · Score: 4, Interesting

      In fact they do pick at random. The trackers throw in a few random IP addresses and the tracking services don't bother to check if they can actually connect and download the data in question from them.

      You have to remember that the trackers are not motivated to do a good job. They don't bother with forensic quality evidence, they just spam as many people as possible and rely on some percentage of them panicking and paying up. If it gets as far as court and the defendant actually shows up, they almost always lose.

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    4. Re:The monitoring services they use suck by PigleT · · Score: 2

      I'm not at all surprised. Years ago (around 2002-3, I guess) I wrote a little honeypot website - it would emit random words and phrases from the titles of songs, actors/actresses, movies etc, appended with various file extensions. The kicker: all the "links" were handled by the same script that only ever emitted text/html with yet more links...

      That garnered an officious legalistic DMCA screed back in its day; my colo ISP was suitably amused when he heard the nature of the site.

      Goes to show they just ran brute-force searches for keywords and automated the sending of offensive emails. There's a word for bulk unrequited email again, isn't there? :P

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  6. I refer you to The Oatmeal. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    http://theoatmeal.com/comics/game_of_thrones

    I have no problems paying for something when it's easy to pay for that thing and reasonably priced. HBO and the cable companies are all off their rockers where I live, so pirating content is often the only solution available if I want to know what the hell my online friends are yammering about the next day.

    1. Re:I refer you to The Oatmeal. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      "so pirating content is often the only solution available "
      Is watching Game of Thrones now a human right or something? Are you arguing that you are not willing to pay for the content so your only choice is left is to steal it? People create original digital content and then set the terms of distribution and access. If you do not agree with the content provider terms you are not entitled to consume the digital content. The internet makes it hard for any digital rights to be effectively enforced but that doesn't make the theft legal. All the people upset about having to pay for their digital content do not have the right to dictate terms to the original content creator. That is what so sickening about this whole topic. People are demanding the right to any content they want regardless of any terms placed on the content by it's creator.

    2. Re:I refer you to The Oatmeal. by viperidaenz · · Score: 4, Informative

      Since then HBO has a $15 streaming service that doesn't require a cable subscription.
      There's a $15 Foxtel service for Australians
      There's a $15 NeonTV service for New Zealanders...

      There's probably a $15 streaming service for most countries.

    3. Re:I refer you to The Oatmeal. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And you can legally watch that stream offline? Might as well get it for free if you're going to be at risk for being sued even when you pay for the content. How many ads does HBO have, including all the ads on the site before you're able to start watching the video? Will you be able to watch an episode again if you're trying to remember an earlier part of the show? Are you going to have to track down streaming service after streaming service for each show you want to watch or do you prefer one searchable website which has everything, including old the A-Team show and rare sci-fi like Blake's 7? And a fuck you to anyone who supports companies which are constantly working to corrupt the government and the laws.

    4. Re: I refer you to The Oatmeal. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      1:You cannot "consumeâ digital âoecontentâ. The point of digital is that it DOESN'T go away, thus is not CONSUMED.
      2: You don't âoecreateâ âoecontentâ either. Unless you are GodJesus 3000, of whom everything is actually derivative work. And no, GOT producers are not âoecreatorsâ. They are copying GodJesus and his Creation and should in fact be held liable for âoedivine copyright infringementâ. [/sarcasm]
      3: You are misusing the word âoecontentâ to describe works. Not subjectively works âoeof artâ in every case, but works nonetheless.
      4: You express yourself like a copyright lawyer. Further reason to mock ignore you. I find the followink keyword analysis of your comment slightly amusing:
      1. content 8 (5.6%)
      2. digital 4 (2.8%)
      3. terms 4 (2.8%)
      4. right 3 (2.1%)
      5. people 3 (2.1%)
      6. pay 2 (1.4%)
      7. original 2 (1.4%)
      8. creator 2 (1.4%)
      9. watching 1 (0.7%)
      10. game 1 (0.7%)
      Look at what you have become. A lawyer.
      I think i need not go on anymore. Good day.

    5. Re: I refer you to The Oatmeal. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      goddamn encoding.
      Ã = double quote, i.e:
      a-circumflex should be a double quote.

    6. Re:I refer you to The Oatmeal. by somenickname · · Score: 1

      "so pirating content is often the only solution available "
      Are you arguing that you are not willing to pay for the content so your only choice is left is to steal it?

      I'm very happy to pay for digital content. It's just that the only company that is willing to give me the service I want, at the price I want, is my VPN provider.

    7. Re:I refer you to The Oatmeal. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The Oatmeal cartoon is outdated.

      HBO Go is $15 a month and requires no cable subscription. It has a mobile app as well as a browser player.

      HBO's entire library is available, all the way back to The Sopranos. You can watch any episode as many times as you like.

      There's no excuse for pirating HBO anymore.

    8. Re:I refer you to The Oatmeal. by El_Muerte_TDS · · Score: 1

      I cannot even get HBO (the complete package) here unless I physically move to a location where the only ISP who offers HBO provides their service. Last year HBO pulled the plug to provide service to the rest of the country.

    9. Re: I refer you to The Oatmeal. by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 1

      Look at what you have become. A lawyer.

      You've an interesting way of spelling "shill".

      --
      Il n'y a pas de Planet B.
    10. Re:I refer you to The Oatmeal. by Uberbah · · Score: 1

      Doesn't give you downloadable files that you can keep, is still geoblocked, and requires a decent internet connection to use.

      There's no excuse for pirating HBO anymore.

      See above, corporatist apologist.

    11. Re:I refer you to The Oatmeal. by Uberbah · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Is watching Game of Thrones now a human right or something?

      What's the difference between someone who downloads a BitTorrent and someone who would never pay for the show if BitTorrent (or other options) weren't available? None.

      Are you arguing that you are not willing to pay for the content so your only choice is left is to steal it?

      It's not stealing, dumbfuck. Are you committing rape whenever you drive over the posted speed limit? There are different terms for different violations of the law for a reason.

    12. Re:I refer you to The Oatmeal. by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      The point is exactly, and if you read the comic you would know that, that we ARE willing to pay for content. Sell it to us! Pretty please, with a cherry on top, SELL IT!

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      We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
    13. Re:I refer you to The Oatmeal. by gravewax · · Score: 2

      Sadly the Australian option sucks balls. very limited device support and streams in Standard Def. basically Foxtel now at the moment is a piece of shit. Personally I don't want to watch a low definition artifacting stream which I have to PAY for when I can torrent a high definition version. If Foxtel moves into the current decade with their encoding and streaming technology without increasing the price further then I would happily subscribe, as it is I refuse to pay for lesser quality.

    14. Re:I refer you to The Oatmeal. by Bert64 · · Score: 2

      Pirating is often the ONLY solution available irrespective of cost...

      Not all shows are available through legitimate channels in all countries... Game of thrones is simply not available AT ALL in some countries. And yet we live in a world with global connectivity where people from all around the world can communicate. Why should HBO get away with discrimination against some countries?

      Even in countries where a show is available, doesn't mean its available to all residents of that country...
      Cable TV does not have 100% coverage, many areas aren't cabled up.
      Some shows are only available on streaming services, yet some people only have internet connections which are too slow or unreliable to stream video.
      Some people in apartments aren't able or permitted to install satellite dishes for receiving TV signals.
      Some people have no internet access at home, and have to download files in other locations, or buy copies from people who have done so.
      Visa restrictions often make it difficult, if not impossible to travel to a country where such shows are available.

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    15. Re:I refer you to The Oatmeal. by Bert64 · · Score: 1

      No, there's not...
      Not to mention all the people who are on internet connections too slow or unreliable to stream. It's easy enough to download a torrent overnight and watch it the following day, but streaming requires a connection fast enough to download the show in realtime.

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    16. Re:I refer you to The Oatmeal. by Bert64 · · Score: 1

      To access HBO GO, you must reside within the fifty states of the United States of America.
      If you reside in this area and are still experiencing difficulties, please contact your television provider.

      I'd be willing to pay them $15, but they discriminate against me.

      The pirate bay doesn't discriminate, they don't care where i'm from and will happily serve me the same content. I'd rather pay $15 a month for a private bittorrent tracker.

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    17. Re: I refer you to The Oatmeal. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      1:You cannot "consumeâ digital âoecontentâ.

      Why does this sound like Spanish?

    18. Re:I refer you to The Oatmeal. by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      It's $10/month in the UK for streaming (Now TV), but the quality is shit so I subscribe and then torrent a high quality copy to watch. VPN prevents tracking.

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    19. Re:I refer you to The Oatmeal. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You don't have enough time to watch Game of Thrones anyway since you're busy moving goalposts.

    20. Re:I refer you to The Oatmeal. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "so pirating content is often the only solution available "
      Is watching Game of Thrones now a human right or something? Are you arguing that you are not willing to pay for the content so your only choice is left is to steal it?

      In the olden days, you'd just have someone you knew who had cable record it on their VCR and just borrow the tape.

      Explain to me how torrenting the episode is in any way different?

    21. Re:I refer you to The Oatmeal. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Are you committing rape whenever you drive over the posted speed limit?

      According to feminists. Yes.

    22. Re:I refer you to The Oatmeal. by Solandri · · Score: 1

      What's the difference between someone who downloads a BitTorrent and someone who would never pay for the show if BitTorrent (or other options) weren't available? None.

      I'm normally the last person to defend Hollywood, but there isn't a perfect overlap between those sets. Some people who download via BitTorrent would pay for the show if BitTorrent weren't available. Just like there are people who wouldn't pay for the show, who don't bother to download it.

      It's not stealing, dumbfuck. Are you committing rape whenever you drive over the posted speed limit? There are different terms for different violations of the law for a reason.

      Totally agreed. Stealing removes the item from the original owner's possession - the owner is no longer able to sell it. With copyright violation, the original owner still has still possession of the product - the original owner can continue to sell it.

    23. Re:I refer you to The Oatmeal. by jbresciani · · Score: 1

      unfortunately this is not the case in Canada, HBO Now requires an active cable subscription with the HBO package (a minimum of $80 CDN) if someone knows another streaming service that has current HBO shows, I'd love to know about it.

      this artical is from 2016, but there has been no progress on this front that I can find.
      http://www.cbc.ca/news/busines...

    24. Re:I refer you to The Oatmeal. by lexman098 · · Score: 1

      Since then HBO has a $15 streaming service that doesn't require a cable subscription.

      What service is that? You can't even login to HBO GO without giving them your cable provider.

    25. Re:I refer you to The Oatmeal. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >Explain to me how torrenting the episode is in any way different?

      Scale

    26. Re:I refer you to The Oatmeal. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Is watching Game of Thrones now a human right or something?

      Is your copyright a human right? No. So, you might not want to talk about human rights here. Especially considering that being able to publish (aka share) things is a right.

    27. Re:I refer you to The Oatmeal. by serviscope_minor · · Score: 1

      Ha yes I subscribed too.

      It's 7.99 a month which then goes up to 8.99 and you have to subscribe and remember to cancel and when you do sign up you have you put up with crap quality an some dumbass proprietary player app which only works on a limited range of platforms AND is just a bit crap. Oh and you have to navigate their bloody awful website.

      TPB is so much easier to use.

      As is amazon music. Want a song? Give money get a file. The end.

      The people literally handing over cash are not the pirates. Why make them wish they were using the pirate bay?

      --
      SJW n. One who posts facts.
    28. Re:I refer you to The Oatmeal. by raftpeople · · Score: 1

      What's the difference between someone who downloads a BitTorrent and someone who would never pay for the show if BitTorrent (or other options) weren't available? None.

      The difference is in the state of the observer. Without the download there is unmet demand for entertainment for that person. With the download there is some portion of that demand for entertainment that is met.

      It's not stealing, dumbfuck.

      The dictionary definition does not always match the cultural usage of a term. When property or a service is "taken" without paying, people frequently call it stealing. The concept of physical property ownership is as arbitrary as the concept of intellectual property (meaning there is no natural law that governs property or ownership, they are made up concepts by man), so these types of arguments don't really add any value to the discussion.

    29. Re:I refer you to The Oatmeal. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Is watching Game of Thrones now a human right or something?

      No, but copyright isn't a human right either; it's merely a neat idea. This issue isn't about rights. It's about cooperation vs defection. It's about whether or not a market is able to function. We all have to think about what we want, and what we're willing to offer.

      People create original digital content and then set the terms of distribution and access.

      And if they set the terms incorrectly, then they fail to make a sale. So the sale didn't happen. And that is the end of the story; the possibility of making a transaction has passed. (Fortunately for the viewer, they have a plan B available. But that is irrelevant to the would-be seller.)

      If you do not agree with the content provider terms you are not entitled to consume the digital content.

      I'm not saying I'm entitled to it. (Nobody owes me a computer or internet access just so that I can pirate.) If I fail to pirate, that's my problem and doesn't necessarily mean that someone else screwed me over by denying me an entitlement.

      But they are also not entitled to prevent me.

      Much like your earlier phantom issue of "rights", "entitle" is also a meaningless word in this context.

      The internet makes it hard for any digital rights to be effectively enforced

      This is a really important point; finally you're actually talking about the real issues at hand.

      When would-be sellers learn what you learned (that DRM is completely worthless) then they may begin to realize that DRM actually has negative worth. If you stop trying to tell me what software to run (i.e. stop trying to set absurd terms), you might be able to start selling me standard files (set reasonable terms, which also don't even come with any downside to the seller!). That is the day that HBO opens for business and will be seen as a good-faith seller to people who want to buy. Until then, though, piracy is the best answer and I urge everyone dissatisfied with silly terms to do that instead.

      (Even you. You should pirate. It works much better than whatever pointless hoops you're having to jump through. Come over to the common-sense side.)

      All the people upset about having to pay for their digital content do not have the right to dictate terms to the original content creator.

      Terms are not dictated; they are merely offered. Currently, HBO rejects my terms. So, no sale. It's not like I'm going to do anything to them to punish them. I'll simply pirate their shows and maybe next month they'll reconsider the terms and whether or not they want the money. Or not. Whatever. It's not like I'm dying to give them this money; I can always do something else with it, like spend it on beer.

      For now, negotiations remain open.

      People are demanding the right to any content they want regardless of any terms placed on the content by it's creator.

      Demanding is just as dumb a word as "right." It's not that strong; it's just a market force. If your widget costs too much, or just doesn't fucking work right, then fewer people buy it. They don't demand; they just say no.

    30. Re:I refer you to The Oatmeal. by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      I don't have a Now TV box and never tried the app... I've never actually watched it.

      I normally just cancel immediately after subscribing, same as Netflix. They let you have the remainder of the month.

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      SJW, n: "Someone I don't like, and by the way I'm a fuckwit" - AC
    31. Re:I refer you to The Oatmeal. by viperidaenz · · Score: 1

      Blame Bell for that, they have exclusive rights to everything HBO in Canada.

      I suppose you could also blame HBO for selling them those rights.

    32. Re:I refer you to The Oatmeal. by viperidaenz · · Score: 1

      HBO Now is the $15 service
      HBO GO is a free streaming service for existing cable customers

    33. Re: I refer you to The Oatmeal. by KGIII · · Score: 1

      It belongs to them. They aren't obligated to make it available everywhere. It's pretty basic property rights.

      --
      "So long and thanks for all the fish."
    34. Re: I refer you to The Oatmeal. by Uberbah · · Score: 1

      Then they need to refer to the aforementioned Oatmeal cartoon and stop whining about piracy where they don't make the content available. Even more basic.

  7. I buy the blurays, but.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I buy the GoT BluRays as soon as they hit the market (hey it's a great show) but I watch the pirate stream because that is SO much more convenient. Like way nicer. I buy every seasons.

    If HBO gonna get up in my shit over paying for their material, maybe I stop buying the blurays.

    1. Re:I buy the blurays, but.... by Nermal6693 · · Score: 2

      I fully agree. I have licensed copies of all episodes that are available for purchase. A few years ago you could buy episodes from Australian iTunes but that's no longer possible. My only options are to pay a monthly fee for a streaming service for a couple of months (and then the episodes will vanish once that period is up - and of course I don't get any sort of discount on the Blu-rays) or I can torrent them now and then buy them when the Blu-rays became available.

      If I was able to buy each episode as it was released then I'd happily do that (as I was doing when they were on iTunes) but for some reason HBO doesn't want my money... but still wants to complain about piracy.

  8. Re:Hobbit shit. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's no Sopranos, it's no Breaking Bad, it's no Wire.

    It's goddam hobbits. Go to TV prison.

    THANK you.

  9. Doesn't matter to me, I quit cold turkey by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I started with the books over twenty years ago. I realized that there is no evidence for George R.R. Martin finishing them so I decided to stop being his bitch.

    I don't know what has happened since the last episode I watched, and I don't care enough to find out. I'm just going to assume that Barclay blew up the Holodeck.

    1. Re:Doesn't matter to me, I quit cold turkey by jezwel · · Score: 1

      8 seasons, no more. The plans have already been released.
      Too bad they are going to push out a bunch of spin-offs, though hopefully they will do ok as well.

  10. Re:Hobbit shit. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Informative

    Randal: That look was so gay, I thought Sam was gonna tell the little hobbits to take a walk, so he could saunter over to Frodo and suck his fucking cock. Now that would've been an Academy Award-worthy ending.

    Hobbit fan: Hey! Faggot! They're not gay! They're Hobbits.

    Randal: And then right after the Sam/Frodo suck-fest, right before the credits roll, Sam fucking flat-out bricks in Frodo's mouth.

    Hobbit fan: I swear... Fuck you...!

    [Hobbit fan suddenly vomits. Randal runs to the manager's office, laughing.]

    Randal: I made fun of The Lord of the Rings so hard, it made some super geek puke all over the counter. Where do we keep the mop and bucket so I can have Elias clean it up?

  11. Yard Arms by turkeydance · · Score: 1

    that be where we 'ang 'em.

    1. Re:Yard Arms by sheramil · · Score: 4, Funny

      British criminals were often Transported for crimes as small as stealing a loaf of bread, but I already live in Australia. Where are they going to send me?

      "Mega-Australia? Ultra-Australia?... Maximum Over-Australia?" - Tien

    2. Re:Yard Arms by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Manus Island

    3. Re:Yard Arms by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Detroit

    4. Re:Yard Arms by Neo-Rio-101 · · Score: 1

      Mars.

      History will repeat itself.

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      PRINT ""+-0
    5. Re: Yard Arms by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Rand McNally.

      Where Hamburgers eat people.

    6. Re:Yard Arms by viperidaenz · · Score: 1

      USA.

    7. Re: Yard Arms by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No crime deserves that cruelty.

    8. Re: Yard Arms by iggymanz · · Score: 1

      uh huh, less than half the per capita income of the USA in England but at least australia has 79%. but go ahead and make jokes about the USA you inbred limey, we're laughing all the way to the bank.

    9. Re: Yard Arms by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Per Capita income? Is that your best argument for America?

      I'd rather drown in a barrel of Bovril.

    10. Re: Yard Arms by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      For anyone who doesn't speak Retard, the poster is probably confusing GDP per capita with per capita income.

    11. Re: Yard Arms by Opportunist · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Talking about the average income in the US is like putting a leg into the freezer and one into the oven and claim that on average the temperature is fine.

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      We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
    12. Re:Yard Arms by jabuzz · · Score: 1

      Transportation to Australia only started after the American Revolution made transportation to the 13 colonies impossible.

    13. Re:Yard Arms by Baron_Yam · · Score: 1

      I would be willing to admit Mars would be a good future-Australia.

      Sure, the flora and fauna isn't out to kill you, but only because there isn't any. Instead, the planet itself it doing its best to end you. Low grav health issues, radiation, toxic surface chemistry, ridiculously thin and O2-free atmosphere... it makes Australia look like the Garden of Eden in comparison.

      Also, it's a big, arid rock far from civilization.

    14. Re:Yard Arms by DarthVain · · Score: 1

      Thunderdome?

      Although the legal proceedings are 2 men enter, 1 man leaves. Unfortunately for you the HBO "prosecutor" is The Mountain...

    15. Re: Yard Arms by bluegutang · · Score: 1

      According to the UN, the average person has a better life in the UK than the US.

      (Australia of course is well ahead of both countries)

    16. Re: Yard Arms by tommeke100 · · Score: 1

      I think the average temperature would still be more than boiling hot.

    17. Re:Yard Arms by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      New Zealand. So I suggest behave yourself.

    18. Re:Yard Arms by PigleT · · Score: 1

      With enough short-sighted right-wing politics and populism, I wouldn't be surprised if the UK became a destination for transportation these days.

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    19. Re: Yard Arms by iggymanz · · Score: 1

      I do not value the opinion nor existence of the UN

    20. Re: Yard Arms by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      All depends on how high you turn up the oven and how low your freezer goes.

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    21. Re:Yard Arms by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      It shall henceforth be known as: Marstralia

    22. Re:Yard Arms by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      meh, Mars is a pussy

    23. Re:Yard Arms by viperidaenz · · Score: 1

      Now you don't get sent away for your crimes, USA extradites you instead.

    24. Re: Yard Arms by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Have you ever lived in a country that's not your own? Not visited, but spent at least a year and tried to make a life?

      If not, I can't say I really value your opinion on one country being a better place to live than another.

    25. Re: Yard Arms by iggymanz · · Score: 1

      yes, I've lived in the better places of worse countries than my present one.

      I've plenty of relatives that voted with their feet to come to the USA from various places that were inferior

  12. Re:Hobbit shit. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  13. Media addicts. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I imagine I'm the only person on the planet who's never seen Game of Thrones, and has no interesting in seeing it, pirated or not. But it is nice to see the lengths people will go through for their addictions.

    1. Re:Media addicts. by corychristison · · Score: 1

      Same here. Never seen it, no desire to.

    2. Re:Media addicts. by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Nope. And I'm even the perfect target audience, the whole deal should actually interest me greatly.

      Still I never felt the urge to see "Romeo & Juliet meet Machiavelli's Prince" set against the backdrop of a medieval fantasy world. The story is essentially timeless and has been told too many times for me to want to hear it once more.

      --
      We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
    3. Re:Media addicts. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Some people maybe but I just watch it whenever and if it wasn't available to me I wouldn't care if I never watched it.

      I usually queue multiple seasons then watch them later. It's really not that important to me. The show was already 4 seasons in before I even started watching it at all.

      Honestly it's not that great of a show. It's way too dark and depressing. It takes me 3 days just to watch one episode. I mean it's OK to be dark and depressing but not when it's the entirety of every single episode. And the fantasy elements are so few and far between that the show ends up feeling like yet another reality TV show (ie. it's dark, depressing, and BORING all together... terrible).

  14. VPN by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Get a good VPN. That's what it's for.

    1. Re:VPN by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      DMCA notice goes to your VPN provider. VPN provider knows who you are. And you're still fucked. There's a giant fucking flaw in your genius plan.

    2. Re: VPN by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So when he bounces off a vpn server in Russia or Cambodia do you think those isps are going to give a shit to investigate?

    3. Re: VPN by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No but he could find his service terminated with no refund. VPN provider then pockets his money and sells service to another idiot.

    4. Re: VPN by viperidaenz · · Score: 2

      VPN provider gets bad name for cutting off clients, VPN provider loses business and makes less money.

    5. Re:VPN by Tukz · · Score: 1

      Or setup your firewall.

      I don't have any issues with Deluge, though I use OpenVPN as a service for the VPN connection and SOCKS is just backup.
      At last test, SOCKS worked fine through the proxy.

      I periodically test my proxy and it haven't failed me yet.

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    6. Re: VPN by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why would it matter that my VPN provider knows who I am when they receive a complaint referring to some foreign law and chuck it in the bin?

    7. Re:VPN by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Why should my Iranian VPN service give a fuck about a silly law from a silly country?

      --
      We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
    8. Re:VPN by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      DMCA notice goes to your VPN provider. VPN provider knows who you are. And you're still fucked. There's a giant fucking flaw in your genius plan.

      My VPN keeps no logs. That's right - they don't log anything at all. They don't document my usage, at all. The country in which my VPN is headquartered has NO data retention laws. They can and do (and have) respond to subpoenas and DMCAs with "we can't give to you what we do not have - we don't have the information you are requesting".

      If you put the slightest effort into looking it up, you would have known that this is common. Many VPN providers operate this way. People like you are annoying. You know nothing about a topic but you insist on proclaiming the "giant fucking flaw" you think you found. Maybe you want to believe that you're the one genius, everyone else is so stupid, and you can see what they all missed. That's not the case.

  15. Phew, I'm safe by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The first octet of my ip address is 3 digits do it won't fit in their xx.xxx.xxx.xx template

  16. It would help if it could be streamed legally by erl343 · · Score: 1

    If you want to watch GOT in Spanish and you don't have cable you are out luck as HBO now and HBO go do not offer it. Even the Spanish speaking viewers willing to pay are forced to go searching the Internet for other means to view the series.

    1. Re: It would help if it could be streamed legally by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why would anyone ever voluntarily watch a dubbed TV programme? I can understand people pirating in order to get the original soundtrack when local channels only broadcast a dubbed version, but the other way around makes no sense at all.

  17. haven't seen it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I won't watch until after it becomes unpopular.

  18. CaptainDork's 1st Corollary ... by CaptainDork · · Score: 0, Troll

    ... once it's digitized, it's in the public domain. ~ © 2017 CaptainDork

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    1. Re: CaptainDork's 1st Corollary ... by KGIII · · Score: 1

      Excellent. Please give me your banking account access means, and I suppose your Slashdot password.

      --
      "So long and thanks for all the fish."
  19. Real World Consequences? by dave562 · · Score: 1

    In a random twist, I am actually watching this season of GoT via DVR with the wife in the living room, on a real television.

    I posted a survey on my favorite torrent site to see if anyone there has received ISP notices. So far, no response.

    How about you folks out there in /. land? Anybody received any notices for torrenting GoT?

    1. Re:Real World Consequences? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In a random twist, I am actually watching this season of GoT via DVR with the wife in the living room, on a real television.

      I posted a survey on my favorite torrent site to see if anyone there has received ISP notices. So far, no response.

      How about you folks out there in /. land? Anybody received any notices for torrenting GoT?

      My VPN provider doesn't log anything. At all. So no, I haven't received any notices.

  20. Game Of Thrones DMCA Notices a Form Of Advertising by ZippyTheChicken · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Just did a quick google because I cant really use torrent freak as a source.. seems that HBO has been sending out DMCA Notices every year since 2012 for the Premier of Game of Thrones .. Seems like Clickbait Advertising to get people riled up and to get word out about the new season.. they probably get billions in advertising by every site talking about it.

  21. Re: I'd pay NOT to watch that juvenile crap. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Bingo. A real man like you drinks a beer while he beats his wife, none of that faggot TV or reading. If you're not jacking off to footballers while rebuilding a car engine you're not a Man.

  22. Pfft, whatever. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Are they trying to make the show more desirable by doing this? Lol, it's not that great, IMO.

  23. and you hit your cap how fast? by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 1

    and you hit your cap how fast?

    1. Re:and you hit your cap how fast? by viperidaenz · · Score: 1

      Dunno, across the Tasman I don't have a cap on my fibre connection.
      The kids do a lot of netflix streaming and I seed limux image torrents. Usually do 500GB a month.

      Unlimited plans in Aussie start from $40/month
      https://www.whistleout.com.au/...

    2. Re:and you hit your cap how fast? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What do hats have to do with broadband? Oh, wait, you must be in the US. Nevermind.

  24. HBO has always been worth it to me by sarbonn · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I have been paying for HBO Now through Apple TV for about as long as it's been around. I know it's possible to get it for free by doing it the nefarious way, but I tend to support things I believe in, and $15 a month for a service I believe in is quite fine. I tried the CBS streaming service when it first came out and I quickly discovered it was not worth it, so I don't pay for that (but I don't watch any of their stuff either), so like I said: As long as I think it's worth it, I'll pay for it. If it's not worth it, I don't pay for it, and I don't watch it.

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    1. Re:HBO has always been worth it to me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Bulk discount: Costco (used to) sell $100 iTunes gift cards for $80 or $85. So one can (could) by a bunch with the sole purpose to use it to pay for HBO Now (which then costs $12-$13/month).

  25. And this is why... by l0n3s0m3phr34k · · Score: 1

    I just stream most of my shows these days.

  26. VPN by cerberusss · · Score: 1

    "We have information leading us to believe that the IP address xx.xxx.xxx.xx was used

    Really? That happens to be the IP address of my VPN provider.

    Seriously, if you torrent anything, get a decent VPN provider. Makes things so much simpler. Be sure to pick one that offers a SOCKS proxy. If the VPN fails, then your bittorrent client is still covering your ass using the proxy.

    Oh, and don't use Deluge. It ignored proxy settings for many, many years, exposing its users to law enforcement:
    http://dev.deluge-torrent.org/...

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  27. Duh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I don't even need to read TFTA.

    Game Of Thrones has been a target of anti-piracy firm(s) for quite some time. HBO is funny in the manner that it talks about how fantastic it is to be pirated and at the same time has the single most aggressive anti-piracy strategy of any media. I'm not sure their usenet posts lasted even a day before having take downs targeted at single binaries. As far as torrents, I would not have touched them with a 100 foot pole or perhaps a thousand or so. I don't have any experience with their aggressive posture towards torrents because it violates my 365 policy on torrenting. I would imagine it is just as brutal.

    Anyhow, word of the wise, avoid usenet and any VPN based in the US. If you have a private tracker then my hat is off to you. Otherwise, do what I do, pony up the 15$ on Amazon at the end of the season and binge watch for 30 days.

    I've gotten too lazy to deal with all of this mischief and I tend to favor other hobbies now.

    1. Re: Duh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How much are they paying you?

  28. I tryed by Slalomsk8er · · Score: 1

    I invested the time to find a legal source to watch as I do every time a new season starts.
    Again I found none. In 10min I was watching the first episode of season 7.

    Geo fencing is a shame!

    Once all seasons aired I will buy the collectors box of this cult classic.

  29. Re: I'd pay NOT to watch that juvenile crap. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you can jack off to footballers while rebuilding an engine you're a friggin' mutant.

  30. VPN by Tukz · · Score: 1

    *laughs in VPN*

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  31. Let the momnitor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    After all, it's not like having the content available just after release worldwide has helped their ad revenues...oh wait.

  32. Simple solution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Offshore torrentbox and a VPN. Never get another copyright notice. Infringe at will.

  33. Ok. by Opportunist · · Score: 1

    More spam for the spamkiller to learn about.

    What's for dinner?

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  34. Re:I'd pay NOT to watch that juvenile crap. by Opportunist · · Score: 1

    I'm curious to hear what you'd consider a wise use of time.

    And then you can also inform me why it would be wise for me to use it that way. Because it's likely that I disagree.

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  35. Netherlands and GoT by suss · · Score: 1

    Here, in the Netherlands, HBO has withdrawn its service, but you can stream Game of Thrones, a day later, IF you get triple play with the Ziggo ISP for at least 1 year AND a mobile phone subscription with Vodaphone. But wait, you're not done... you have to pay another â11.95 just for the privilege of their buying their "Movies and Series XL" package. So, you're in for at least â60 a month, just to watch GoT.

    So, there you go, waiting for the stream to start, and what happens? Nothing. Misconfigured routing table in their network, so nobody can watch it, and somehow they manage to break access to a large part of the internet, including slashdot. This is the first time i can access this site since Monday morning.

    Oh, and Ziggo is the largest ISP over here, after their merger with UPC... You'd think they'd be a bit more professional.

    1. Re:Netherlands and GoT by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ah no.. Once they get too big to fail, it's downhill all the way for the customer.

  36. *snickers* by bbelt16ag · · Score: 1
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    1. Re:*snickers* by knope · · Score: 1

      lmao, you couldn't pay me to watch 9 out of 10 cult shows. I would seed just to spite.

  37. Same old story by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is still true

    http://theoatmeal.com/comics/game_of_thrones

    Don't give legal options for people to consume the media they want on the devices they want and you promote piracy.

    I own a full Sky Q subscription I could watch it legally but I still torrented it (well sonarr downloaded it automatically), because I can then choose to watch it on what ever device I want to.

  38. "I'm justifying pirating because " by Ayano · · Score: 2

    It doesn't matter how you justify it, you're pirating/copying content without paying. There's this huge love of free market so why don't you exercise it by not seeing said content.

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    1. Re:"I'm justifying pirating because " by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      but...but..but... I'm entitled to whatever entertainment I want!!

    2. Re:"I'm justifying pirating because " by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      If the copyright holders were never going to get paid by you anyway, they don't lose anything if you torrent it.

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  39. GoT jumped the shark by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I can ignore shows like Game of Thrones and House of Cards now that we have real life geopolitical heroes like Julian Assange and George Webb. Who needs fake scripted politics when the real thing is so much scarier and needs your attention?

    Killing off Tywin Lannister was the end of the series. Game of Thrones is just giving away the farm J.J.Abrams style because G.R.R.M. can't get off his fucking ass to finish it properly. It's going to lose its flavor soon as things get more and more rushed and incongruent with the original written storyline. Expect RoboCop 3 before this is over.

    1. Re:GoT jumped the shark by Obfiscator · · Score: 1

      If you want a really good series (IMHO), try the "Malazan Book of the Fallen" by Steven Erikson. Something like 10,000 pages across ten books, so plenty to read, although it might take you 500 pages to feel comfortable in the world. Erikson is not one to hold your hand as a reader, and details in some books might not make sense until you've read an explanation in later books, but I'm okay with that. It makes gives the world a lot of added depth and makes it re-readable. And unlike other long series, he was able to create a new world and actually wrap up a story line. I lost hope that GoT would finish years ago, which is a shame: GRRM is a good writer.

      I'm not going to claim the Malazan Book of the Fallen ended how I wanted it to, but it did end, was a heck of an adventure, and felt much more like a complete world than any other series I've read.

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  40. Yeah, but....... by JustAnotherOldGuy · · Score: 1

    I get the shows mixed up sometimes, but Daenerys Targaryen was a Jedi, right?

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  41. They're making more money by allowing piracy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I've lost count over the years of the number of shows I've downloaded, watched, and then decided was worth a purchase. I'm certainly not going to purchase a box set of something I've never seen before, and the networks are making *a lot* more money by having me purchase a set of discs than having a cable subscription.

    In the specific case of GoT, I started getting the series on DVD, and because I'm OCD in that way, I'm not going to have half of them on DVD, and the other half on Blu-ray...I keep buying the seasons as they come out on DVD, then once the final episode's been broadcast, I'll also be buying the big all-in-one Blu-ray box set that is sure to come out. Compare that with...what, me not watching a show at all?, and thus not buying anything ever...?

  42. They have pirates now on Game of Thrones?! by doggo · · Score: 1

    Wow, ice zombies, dire wolves, incest, boobies, what more could you want? Pirates! I gotta get HBO one of these days.

  43. If they offered a good service... by darkNeko · · Score: 1

    ...pirating will be a non-issue. I love GoT, and I *paid* HBO for their GO service, to be able to watch the episodes the moment they're out, to avoid any spoilers. What happens? The day of the premiere, HBO Go crashes and burns down for both the East and the West US Coasts, and all Latin American. To add insult to injury, they didn't release any official communicate until *after* 15 minutes of the begginning of the episode, suggesting to watch the episode on "pay tv". Had I wanted pay tv, I would have contracted pay tv! What did I do?, I found an "alternative" stream and watched the episode live. I dare anyone to call me a pirate, I had already paid for the service and they didn't deliver. It's not like they didn't knew the premiere would have massive demand, and prepare accordingly, I'ts been six freaking years!

    1. Re:If they offered a good service... by rgomezc · · Score: 1

      I'm on the exact same boat. I already cancelled the subscription to HBO GO. Not going to pay for their non-service.

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  45. So HBO Is seeding? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If HBO is seeding, isn't that basically giving people explicit legal permission to download for free?

  46. are they monitoring IRC too? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    lolololol

  47. I did not want to "pirate", but HBO GO failed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I bit the bullet and got HBO GO, available as a standalone app for México on the App Store, to use on my Apple TV.

    I managed to see a couple of things some days before sunday... but guess what? On Sunday their servers had crashed miserably and there was no way to use the app at all. Apparently not here (México) nor LatinAmerica. So... I was left with no choice but to torrent it after it finished, and I managed to see the premiere just some 90 minutes after the original airing time.

    I have already canceled the HBO GO subscription. Apparently last year they had exactly the same problem.

  48. Just monitored? by Weirsbaski · · Score: 1

    Did anybody else read this title as "Game of Thrones Pirates Being Murdered By HBO, Warnings On The Way" ?

    For a minute there, I thought HBO was getting REALLY agressive about stopping this sort of thing!

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  49. Re:I'd pay NOT to watch that juvenile crap. by Zxern · · Score: 1

    Certainly wiser than bitching about those people anonymously on the web.

  50. Private group by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I've setup a private group to share the videos with a bunch of friends. Works great!

  51. Game of Thrones by Teespring7 · · Score: 1

    Its crazy that Game of Thrones pirates are being monitored by HBO, as so many people love the series: http://gameofthrones-1.yolasit...

  52. Good luck with that... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I browse TPB (and others) via TOR.

    I torrent using a locked down Linux distribution within a VM via an anonymizing VPN tunnel from a vendor that does not keep logs (yes, really - and even if they did, although they do not, my payments are also anonymous) of who did what.

    That said, I also pay for several streaming services, including Netflix, so the torrenting is for the things neither of the services I pay for deem necessary to provide, and nothing else.

    I feel neither threatened nor guilty.

    I torrented the GoT premiere, since none of the streaming services I pay for provided it.

    I have not received any warning letters, and I consider it highly unlikely that I will.

    Lesson: Stop making exclusive deals. If you want the broadest paying audience, license your content to as many providers as possible. If you do, everybody prepared and able to pay for your content will pay for it. If you do not, sharing of your content by other means will happen, regardless of what you think and (try to) do about such sharing, and some of that sharing will be done by people who would otherwise have paid for it.