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Facebook Employees Living in a Garage Hope Zuckerberg Will Learn What's Happening in His Own City (cnbc.com)
At the beginning of the year, Facebook CEO Mark Zuckerberg set a goal to visit every state in the U.S. so he could learn more about the millions of people who use the social network every day. But two of his employees tell The Guardian that they wonder when the billionaire is going to get to know his own community. From a report: The employees, a married couple named Nicole and Victor, are both contract workers in the cafeteria at Facebook's Menlo Park, Calif. headquarters. And they wish they, and the problems closer to home, could also get a share of Zuckerberg's attention. "He should learn what's happening in this city," Nicole tells The Guardian. The couple says they can barely make ends meet. Together with their three children, Nicole and Victor share a two-car garage adjacent to Victor's parents' home. They borrow money from friends and family to stay afloat and occasionally resort to payday loans. Although they earn too much to qualify for state benefits, they don't earn enough to afford Facebook's health care plan.
Well there is your first problem....
The only empathy they're ever going to get from him is a calculated move to earn more money.
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Google spends millions to provide WiFi to "refugee" camps in the EU as if there aren't poor people in the US that could use help. It's virtue signalling with political overtones and nothing else.
This is simple. FB needs to relocate the staff in their unit to some rural site in in North Dakota where those FB employees could no doubt afford palatial houses.
What you don't want to live there, you want to live in a CA area with insanely high real estate prices? That's not Zukerberg's problem, it's yours.
Facebook treats them like shit. They can't even use the gym, showers, healthcare, or recreational facilities at Facebook. He pays them squat. To Zuckerberg, these hard working folks are untermenschen. The irony is that Zuckerberg is the real untermenschen.
Relocate and prosper.
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Zuckerberg is still partying on the collective dimes of investors who don't understand how facebook works - or why it still doesn't make money. He isn't quite as good a conman as our conman in chief over at 1600 Pennsylvania (likely only from lack of experience) but you can be sure that when the facebook bubble finally bursts he will not be the one left holding the bag.
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The more progressive policies play out in the Silicon Valley, the more squeezed out the middle class becomes.
Well, there's the problem right there. They're being paid by the contracting company, not FB, so their real beef is with their actual employer. FB doesn't employ them, FB employs the contracting company. FB is using the cheapest bid for food service they could get.
So how are actual FB employees faring at the company?
-> I dislike sigs...
They're contractors who work for a cafeteria services staffing company.
Highly misleading title.
The headline and what can be gained is mostly a lie.
The two people are not employees of facebook they are employees of Flagship Facility Services and happen to be working for their company at facebook hq.
YOU made the choice to work for Facebook. Did facebook hold a gun to your head, and say you MUST work for them? Is it Facebook, or for that matter, any other employers fault, that where Facebook is located, is a SUPER expensive place to live? Nope! This is just another bleeding heart story. There are many places you can live & work, but YOU wanted to work for Facebook for the obvious reason that there might be some "gravy" associated with it on the other end.
You clearly were never financially prepared to have children. Go to the local children's aid office and tell them you can't deal with them. They'll take them. That will free up some capital.
Yeah, I know, it's shit. But you put yourselves in this position by having crotch fruit you can't afford. Considering your career choices will NEVER pay well enough, you should have known better.
It isn't my job to support your spawn, and it isn't Zuckerberg's job, either.
As an alternative, leave your jobs and work somewhere that pays better in another part of the country. Perhaps you can find somewhere in the US that doesn't have enough cafeteria staff and apply there. That way you could keep your kids and afford a small apartment.
But, frankly, if your career aspirations are a dime a dozen job, you better give up on the American dream, because you'll never have it. The competition for low skill labour is simply too great.
And, there's one more option: Switch careers into something that requires some skill and thus pays better. However, I'm assuming from your career selection that that isn't something you're capable of.
I love these kinds of posts. They make 20K/mo. They cant afford to live? How mismanaged are their fiances!? I get that cost of homes has shot up. Move a hour or so away. I used to commute 2.5hrs/day for work. Its hard, tuff, suck it up.
In a world with 700 million people instead of 7 billion, our available resources would stretch 10x further
Actually...that's nine times further.
What has society come to when these poor people aren't allowed to quit and find better employment. We should be ashamed of ourselves for forcing slavery on to our own citizens.
Mod me down with all of your hatred and your journey towards the dark side will be complete!
Bonus points if you can convince Facebook to allow you to work remotely and then go live in Zuckerberg's garage!
What's stopping them from getting jobs that cant be done by a 75 year old disabled woman or a high school dropout? Maybe something a little more difficult would yield some more money. Why don't they move inland to get a place a little more reasonably priced? Why don't they move somewhere that would be more accommodating to their (lack of) skill set?
I have little doubt the issue here isn't that the cafeteria staff is being underpaid. The issue is they're living in an area where the cost of living is astronomical why trying to raise three kids. You have a finite number of choices here:
1. Get a new job that makes more money but this is unlikely given the available skillset and that FB is probably already paying top "cafeteria working" dollar.
2. Don't have kids you can't afford but this horse has already left the barn. Should've planned better.
3. Learn a new, more valuable skill, but given the high concentration of very competent techies in the area that would be unlikely for a food service worker.
4. MOVE TO BETTER LOCATION. The problem isn't how much money you make. It's how much you have to spend to just subsist in that area of the country.
Option #4 is the best option but the family wants someone to magically create Option #5 where they make far more money than their labor is worth so they can afford to live in a community where everyone's skills are far more valuable, thus distorting the labor market and creating an artificial -- and unsustainable -- labor model. But hey! Who cares about reality or labor markets? Far better to flout supply-and-demand economics to prop up something otherwise unworkable, right? After all, it worked so well for the Soviets, why not try it here too?
In the end they will lay their freedom at our feet and say to us, Make us your slaves, but feed us. - Fyodor Dostoyevsky
Zuck doesn't give a shit. He's got his and you're only making him more wealthy.
If only there was a way that they could publicize their plight...maybe they could post on a social media website? Too bad they don't know of a social media website that would allow them to do that.
our resources are stretched so thin we can't even afford adequate maths for everybody.
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Getting paid to vacation FTW!
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Take that up with your contracting company not Facebook. And really? I'm not trying to devalue jobs, titles or what people do for a living here, but go improve and invest in you, make a better life for those three children; look around, move, relocate, whatever it is you have to do. Even if you were a Facebook employee, why is that Zuckerberg's responsibility? It's not. Why should he tour your garage? Did someone force you to work as a cafeteria contractor at FB? Who decided living in a remodeled garage space was where you were going to raise your family? I bet all those point back to you and your wife. No one held a gun to your head on any of this. Guaranteed.
I have a family, I have kids, I have a house (mortgage), I did contracting work for a decade for the governement and I got a-holed on salary, ate cost of living and made negative money to keep up with the rising health care in the early 2010's to now. I didn't once start to blame the company, position or the US government I did work on their behalf for for that, kept engaged, continually added skills, did the job the best I could and eventually landed a new job, better benefits, way better pay, more flexibility not for me, but for my family, the livelihood of us, our household, my future, my kids well-being and future college outlook, and it goes on.
That's just my summed up story to prove a point: many other people do this as well. And who do I have to thank for all that? My responsibility to me. This whole blaming other-people-for-outcome shit needs to stop, and the social cry-out voice that makes it a headline, as well.
It's all deductive reasoning. If a place is expensive to live in, you either:
A) Make sure you have a job before going there/staying there that can support you (& your family if that was your choice) in your current situation.
A addendum) Also make sure said job is not going to make you struggle through life uncertain you'll make it (without advancement in other words)
B) Get a better job that fits your skills and needs
B addendum) If the skills are not present, either gather those skills or...
C) Move.
It's the hard and fast rules of life, no matter how much millennials like it. Life will chew you up and spit you out.
Life is too short working yourself to death for someone else's dreams. Cramming in 100hr/week to meet some BS deadline because some jackass thinks that's more important, it stupid. If they cared about your health, they wouldn't have asked you to work 100hr/week to begin with.
dehumanizing children and chastising people for loving too much is wrong.
The root of the problem is a lack of affordable places to live that aren't several hours' commute from places where people work. I live in the NY metro area, and even 60 miles away house prices are high in good school districts. Northern California is way worse -- you're starting at a million for ownership of any kind of home, which means you need a job that pays an outsized salary just to have a massive mortgage payment.
This problem is repeated in cities all over the US to lesser degrees. Atlanta has very affordable housing if you're willing to put up with hours of driving, and Georgia has almost no property taxes...but in my opinion sitting on the road for another 10 or 15 hours a week isn't worth it.
One fix I could see is to make retirement stability easier to maintain. So many people in our area have little saved for retirement and are banking on selling their high-priced house and moving to North Carolina or similar. It's their only retirement asset, and in the current environment it's in everyone's best interest to keep these mini housing bubbles inflated until they can cash out.
Kids are expensive. Ultra expensive if you give them a chance to go to college. They are a major drain on finances. Like it or. Ot their own decisions have put them in the situation.
Statements like this make me queasy. You're telling me that we now have a society where we have decided that it's ok that raising the next generation is too expensive for ordinary people to do. There has to be something wrong with a society that considers raising the next generation to be something ordinary people can't participate in.
My wife and I make 300k combined in Atlanta. We are talking about 1 kid. Figuring out how we will budget for daycare, college, food, clothes, etc. plus any life emergencies and our retirement. Three kids would not only break us but be unfair to them.
YOW! $300K and it's not enough to raise children?
Really, you are telling me that there is something very, very wrong with our society.
End of story
TWO kids is the magic number of kids to have to not increase OR decrease world population.
2.1, actually: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/p...
If you're bothered by the idea of fractions, consider that as 90% of the women having 2 children and 10% having 3 children.
High costs, high taxes, and high regulation that are driving people and businesses out of the state. The minimum wage hike is only going to accelerate the trend by driving more business to other states and causing those that can't move to either invest in automation to replace their existing workers, or just hire more illegal aliens.
And the huge public sector union pension debt is going to cause more municipalities, and eventually the state itself, to go bankrupt.
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We are seeing how capitalism can become a sick disaster. Hard working people who can barely stay alive surrounded by other others who are excessively wealthy is not an acceptable situation. john McCain is a republican. That is the same party that is messing with health care. He just had a dramatic surgery followed by being informed that he will have to battle a very deadly cancer. McCain has no problems getting top quality care. Now imagine if he was a poor uninsured working guy. Even with current, typical medical care most common folk would be dead. In other words there are times when top notch medical care by the best doctors is the only hope. The problem is getting that top notch care to every single person.
Now wait until Trumpcare comes through. Now that is a fantastic health care plan. The best health care plan you've seen. Truly fantastic.
Employees, or contractors, of a company with a contract for a different company are not employees of the purchasing company. These people are not Facebook employees. They are Facebook contractors. They may not even be employees of their direct company, if they have a 1099 agreement with them. In California, the term "employee" comes with an especially large amount of legal red tape.
This is seriously like the most basic distinction ever, when running a business. If you do not understand this, and you're providing contract services, no one will take you seriously at all.
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Well, I see the problem, but is it a facebook problem? They are not even working for facebook.
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You're both cafeteria workers for a contractor with FB's cafeteria. Nothing to do with FB really. You live and California with multiple children. My advice to them would be to move your family somewhere cheaper if you are not learning any skills for a higher paying job. CA is not cheap.
There is more to this story here. Health insurance can't cost more that 10% of your income: Thanks Obama. So how can they not afford FB's own health plan?
They are staying in a garage adjacent to their parents house. I assume therefore this is in fact their parents garage. Mom and Dad can't give them a little break on the rent long enough for them to get some savings?
I mean seriously if my kid had nowhere else to go with his family, and was apparently this broke. I think I'd say "Shit son, I'll back the cars out and you can stay in the garage, rent free as long as you need; if you'll clean any bird crap off the paint when you come home from work each day."
I suspect there is more going here. Somebody has an insane pile of student loan or credit card debt would be my first two guesses. Spend every dime on some get rich stock scam that fell apart would be my third.
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In a world with 700 million people instead of 7 billion, our available resources would stretch 10x further
Actually...that's nine times further.
Actually, it is zero times further.
If there are 100,000 people in the world and I have 100,000 tons of steel and it takes 1 ton to produce a widget, then I can only make 100,000 widgets. If the population is reduced to 10,000 people, I can still only make 100,000 widgets.
spit in the food the prison/jail health care plan will cover stuff that the ER does not.
unless they are 1099 subcontractors the ACA health care rules say there work place must give them an plan.
Is how much debt they are carrying. They would never have to take out a payday loan if they weren't deep in debt. What they should do is file for bankruptcy to get rid of the debt and then fix what they are doing wrong with their lives.
I'm imagining actual whining snowflakes in the winter. That would be annoying!
#DeleteFacebook
time for an union and cafeteria work has a better hope of getting one vs IT work.
Schools have unions with health care plans for people in that roll.
They should simply buy a home. Bonus: they can move whenever and wherever they want.
#DeleteFacebook
True. But it is also irrelevant without context of what a skilled worker, who invested in their future earns (ie - college grads, hell, even tech-school).
Hell, anyone can pump gas. Anyone can cut up potatoes. Unskilled labor is a dime a dozen. So, tell me - as an employer who is trying to maintain low costs and competitiveness - why would I pay those people more than a dime? Why should they expect more than a dime?
Maybe it's time to get a second job, or move on from the entry level job, and try to dig themselves out of the hole they put themselves in, rather than relying on everybody else to bail them out.
I don't so much mind helping. I wan't to see them help themselves, first, or at least show they are trying.
It's easy to blame vices for everything wrong in society. If only people weren't having so much irresponsible sex. If only people weren't so greedy.
But since the beginning of time, humans felt compelled to take actions based on their emotions -- so if these things do make society a worse place, it should be a pretty steady drag on how "awesome" it would be otherwise. None of this is new enough to explain any perceived recent problems.
I reject the claim that the OP made, too, that our need for an ever-expanding economy requires a constant increase in our population (and our failure to do that is causing our economic woes today). The need for economic growth is increasingly decoupled from the number of available laborers! Automation and robotics are displacing workers already in jobs like cashiers, bank tellers and even security guards. Self-driving vehicles will displace MANY more. But growth in these industries won't slow or stop because of that!
IMO, greed is a human emotion that isn't inherently good or bad. It depends on how you direct it. Is it bad to get angry? Depends on if the anger compels you to do something constructive or not, really. Same with greed.
remove health benefits from all jobs / keep works comp or have some kind of system that makes high risk work places kick in more.
issues such as who they work for aside, they make a combined close to $40/hr (calculate the monthly income based on 40 hr/wk), are living in a garage apartment owned by his parents. Kids are expensive, but looks like none of the kids are old enough for college yet. So what am I missing? Why are they having to borrow money for food? Something sounds fishy in this story.
it's hard to have an legal 1099 worker for cafeteria workers unless they can set there own hours and change there own rates for food they are selling.
Really... why is a stagnant (or even shrinking!) population such a bad thing?
Because social programs like Social Security depend on it.
They are likely employees of the company contracting with Facebook, not Facebook employees.
This is not cool. If you want to better yourself don't beg. Put on your big boy pants and get it done!
First they are renting or rent free renting from parents. I'm sure they are not paying the standard rent in the area. Also they have free babysitting.
Grandparents always watch the grandchildren for free. Save some money.. find a job in a cheaper to live State. California is an expensive state too live in. too many social programs means high taxes. Too many people too. Too many people means housing is overpriced. Supply and demand.
Start searching the net for a good opportunity. One that they are willing to pay for training for good hardworking employees. There's plenty of opportunity out there. Next MOVE.
I live in a suburban area in the Northeast and my mortgage is much less than what rent is in many locations in California. My mortgage is $1358.00.. and I have 3/4 of an acre of land. 14k sq foot house. (not counting the square footage in the basement)
I knew what I wanted since I was 15 years old. My wife and I had our first son when I was 22 and she was 19. We did fine.
I am also not lazy and got an engineering degree..
I'd never move to California. Too many people. Too many people = lots of traffic and expensive real estate. Too liberal too.. too many social programs means high taxes.
Northeast is great... we just need to kick the liberal politicians out before they ruin it.
If you choose to work in a cafeteria and have a family, cool. I don't tend to think that qualifies you to comment on whether Mark Zuckerberg "knows what's going on in his city".
I find it strange that they had 3 children while being so economically insufficient.
Does nobody actually plan anything seriously any more?
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about any of the place he's been. It was just a virtue signaling song and dance.
Facebook HQ is in East Menlo Park. Both Menlo Park and Palo Alto are the some of the most expensive parts of the Bay Area to live in due to their presence next to Stanford University. For most other people the only other option is to commute via the Dumbarton bridge over the bay and into Fremont or Union City.
That's really the only choice.
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"The poor man whom believes a rich man's promises is a fool." - unknown Throughout history, the rich see the poor as a resource to be exploited. I have a bridge to sell anyone that thinks otherwise. Even the Gates Foundation makes carefully calculated donations - to causes overseas, not here in America. Last time I checked, parts of Baltimore, Flint, and Detroit look like third world countries. Mark Zuckerberg knows he can exploit those cafeteria workers at the facebook headquarters. In fact, he probably believes they should be thanking him and kowtowing to him for a job. I hate the wealthy.
How much should two cafeteria workers be paid? In addition, how much assistance should they be given from the government? Let's get actually numbers here.
Zuck had rich parents and went to Harvard. I don't think he will give 2 shits about what happens to the plebs that work for him.
I'm a good cook. I'm a fantastic eater. - Steven Brust
If he wants employees then it is his problem.
OK,OK. You win. I'll get off your lawn.
I don't know why people complicate their lives. There's no mandate to live in the Bay Area. If you can't afford it, move.
I know first hand some people who moved from expensive SoCal to affordable Pennsylvania. Saving a bundle in rent, food, etc.
MOVE...!
Zuckerberg doesn't give a rat's ass about you, and he shouldn't.
They are making close to the fabled $20/hour. That's the new magical minimum wage value and it isn't enough? We need a new national minimum wage. Get me twitter account out!
You made the conscious decision to live in one of the most expensive areas of the country and to have 3 children. You figure it out (hint: move to a cheaper area and, in your next life, don't have kids you can't afford to raise).
The average Fabebook employee makes $110k/year. So sad. They aren't making the same as the average employee. Is that because demand for food workers is less than demand for IT talent? It looks like going to college might pay off sometimes. Do they really expect that they should make more because someone else with more education (and in demand) makes more? This is America not a socialist commune.
Brand new car, cell phones and cable TV with HBO Cinemax the works.
The guy could care less. He's got his.
unless they are 1099 subcontractors the ACA health care rules say there work place must give them an plan.
Offering them a plan is much much different than Giving them a plan.
Work for a better company.
Most if not all libsoverlook poverty at home and quietly helping versus parafing their humanity for all to see. Hopefully on becoming aware of these employees, he will do SOMETHING to help, considering he ZB, supported Obama care to begin with! Thought that was the "communist dream realized" healthcare for all. Apparently just not these people. Move to the Midwest, the "silicon prairie" is the new hotspot of innovation.
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How about you buy the same font every fucking body else uses on here and throw that IBM Selectric typewriter away.