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iOS 11 Passes 50 Percent Adoption In Under 2 Months (venturebeat.com)

An anonymous reader quotes a report from VentureBeat: After a longer wait than usual, Apple today finally released the first official numbers for iOS 11. The various figures and estimates released by marketing and research firms are no longer relevant, as we now know for certain that iOS 11 has passed the 50 percent mark in less than two months. In other words, the latest version of the company's mobile operating system is now on one in every two of its mobile devices. iOS 11 was released on September 13, meaning it took less than seven weeks to reach the majority of users that Apple tracks. While this is certainly impressive, keep in mind that iOS 10 took less than a month and iOS 9 took less than a week to hit the same adoption milestone. Sure, the number of iOS devices is growing, but Apple also cuts down the number allowed to get the latest updates.

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  1. Will update when they fix HEADPHONE JACK by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    fuck iOS 11.

  2. Auto update? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Who honestly cares what percentage of the market IOS gets when you will have one of three likely scenarios:

    1. Auto update nags the user, user upgrades because that's what users do
    2. User's device doesn't support latest rev
    3. User ignores auto update forever (rare in my opinion)

    1. Re:Auto update? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Who honestly cares what percentage of the market IOS gets when you will have one of three likely scenarios:

      1. Auto update nags the user, user upgrades because that's what users do 2. User's device doesn't support latest rev 3. User ignores auto update forever (rare in my opinion)

      I stopped updating all of my Apple devices when iOS 11 came out... Hate the nagging pop up but will live with it until I feel like changing (e.g. switch to Android).

    2. Re:Auto update? by TheRaven64 · · Score: 1

      I hope you're not using WiFi...

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    3. Re:Auto update? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's bitztream the autism-hating, custom EpiPen-hating, Musk-hating, Qualcomm-hating, Firefox tabs-hating, Slashdot editors-hating Slashdot troll!

  3. iOS users are more conditioned to upgrade by ErichTheRed · · Score: 1, Informative

    iPhone users (in the US at least, not sure what's going on elsewhere) are conditioned to upgrade their devices. Even though carrier subsidies are gone, they've been replaced by a series of "lease/loan/trade-up" programs that keep people in contracts with their carriers until the equipment loan is satisfied. That, and iOS users tend to have more disposable income to go upgrade their shiny devices, so even if the cost of the device is hidden they don't really care.

    Software-wise, it's the same thing driving the Windows-as-a-Service thing that Microsoft is doing with Windows 10. People are just conditioned to click "Restart Now" and accept whatever update appears because all of the complexity has been hidden away. One thing I can say about Windows 10 is that upgrades are much safer than they were back in the Windows 7 days...but that comes with the drawback of not knowing much about what is in those update packages. Microsoft used to break out exactly what changed in each update but they are increasingly tight-lipped and reverting to Apple-style "makes your PC faster, easier and more enjoyable! (...and fixes these 247 security holes)"

    1. Re:iOS users are more conditioned to upgrade by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      iOS11 is the last time I blindly update. I wanted to play with ARKit so I updated first day. Shit raped my battery, and made Apple Music all buggy. Never again with the first day updates. In fact I will probably from now on wait as long as possible to update.

    2. Re:iOS users are more conditioned to upgrade by BorgDrone · · Score: 5, Insightful

      iPhone users (...) are conditioned to upgrade their devices.

      You know that on iOS, unlike Android, you can update to the latest OS version without buying a new phone, right ?

      The adoption numbers are a result of updates actually being available to consumers, not lack of willingness to update on the part of Android users.

    3. Re:iOS users are more conditioned to upgrade by OffTheLip · · Score: 3, Interesting

      And what the hell is up with the native Podcast app. It is all but worthless now. I guess the Apple QA folks don't use it or have switched to an AppStore replacement.

    4. Re:iOS users are more conditioned to upgrade by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      iPhone users (in the US at least, not sure what's going on elsewhere) are conditioned to upgrade their devices.

      The iphone continually nags the user to upgrade, that might be the reason.

    5. Re:iOS users are more conditioned to upgrade by XxtraLarGe · · Score: 3, Interesting

      You know that on iOS, unlike Android, you can update to the latest OS version without buying a new phone, right ?

      My wife has iOS 11 on her iPhone 5s. I have an iPhone 7 Plus that I just upgraded to after the 8 & X were announced, and I still haven't updated to 11. Her battery drains pretty quickly.

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    6. Re:iOS users are more conditioned to upgrade by jittles · · Score: 4, Informative

      And what the hell is up with the native Podcast app. It is all but worthless now. I guess the Apple QA folks don't use it or have switched to an AppStore replacement.

      My experience with iOS 11 suggests that Apple does not have any QA staff anymore. Certainly no QA staff that does something as silly as type the word "I" anywhere.

    7. Re:iOS users are more conditioned to upgrade by MikeMo · · Score: 4, Informative

      You, sir, are completely uninformed. The reason iOS users update more frequently is precisely because the update does not come through the carriers. It comes directly from Apple. In all cases, no exceptions. And, of course, the update is completely free and always has been.

      Even people with hand-me-downs and resales do updates.

    8. Re:iOS users are more conditioned to upgrade by Gr8Apes · · Score: 1

      That is a difference between iphones and android. Android requires an active sim for verizon/AT&T/T-Mobile updates, at least. AFAIK, iPhones can be updated without a SIM, although you cannot setup a new phone without a sim, whereas with Android you can.

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    9. Re:iOS users are more conditioned to upgrade by mlw4428 · · Score: 4, Informative

      Patently untrue. iOS 11 supports back to 5s. That's for a phone released in September of 2013. Meaning the Galaxy S5 which was released in April of 2014 will not be getting the upgrade (from Samsung). From a support model perspective, Apple wins hands down. It supports the devices longer with more frequent updates than even the best Android manufacturer.

    10. Re:iOS users are more conditioned to upgrade by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It pops up on the screen and they are conditioned to just press "OK"! In our office even with pushing my users to update we often have 4 to 6 running versions on iOS all on the same device version.

    11. Re:iOS users are more conditioned to upgrade by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or test the screen response time, iOS 11 is slower, and hangs more.

    12. Re:iOS users are more conditioned to upgrade by Gr8Apes · · Score: 5, Informative

      The battery drain is definitely there - it's between 2 and 4 times as bad as with iOS 10. This would be after disabling all background processing, and removing cellular data from most apps. My suspicion is the mail app is still processing in the background, based on the fact that the battery drain shows mail in the top 2 at 10% drain in "background"... and mail is supposed to not run in background at all, and does have access to cellular. I've noticed that in weak cell service areas, the battery drains like you're mining bitcoin, so it's likely that mail is the primary culprit in my case, I'm considering testing by removing cellular data from mail just for a short while.

      I installed iOS 11 to test a few things, on my personal phone, in a moment of forgetfulness. I normally don't install an update until the x.1 version comes out, because that's usually the beta, IMNSHO. Everything before that is not ready based on personal experience and testing since the iOS 9 release. Before that iOS was reasonably solid. If I could, I'd actually run on iOS 8, it was rock solid and didn't have any of the irritating bugs that really bother me with 10 and 11.

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    13. Re:iOS users are more conditioned to upgrade by jellomizer · · Score: 1

      Was her battery life already draining quickly?
      Older device at the end of iOS chain is also near the end of the expected battery life. Granted if these devices had user teplacable batteries you should be able to use these “premium” phones for over a decade. But like most OS updates the newer OS uses more cpu cycles expecting a faster device so does use more battery. Combine that with an older device with a battery that isn’t holding its charge as well compounds the problem.
      Yes iOS 11 had some issues but 11.01 seemed to address those problems

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    14. Re:iOS users are more conditioned to upgrade by Dixie_Flatline · · Score: 1

      The iPhone 8, 8 plus and X currently make up about 4.79% of the iPhone market. The iPhone 7 that I got over the weekend still had iOS 10 on it. Since no new iPads have been released this fall, all of them will have iOS 10 on them at time of sale.

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      I upgrade my OS because I want to upgrade my OS. The upgrade isn't forced, I have to give it permission to install.

    15. Re:iOS users are more conditioned to upgrade by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      It's a dumb and embarrassing mistake, no doubt. But to go from that to "Apple does not have any QA staff anymore" is silly.

      Apple annually rolls out significant software updates to hundreds of millions of users, generally with very few problems. Last year, they changed the filesystem in-place, with very few (any?) reported issues.

      This is unprecedented in software engineering. Android, Windows, Linux... none of them come close to matching Apple's upgrade process in terms of scope or end-user experience.

    16. Re:iOS users are more conditioned to upgrade by SlaveToTheGrind · · Score: 3, Funny

      You know that on iOS, unlike Android, you can update to the latest OS version without buying a new phone, right ?

      Yes, that's technically true -- you don't have to buy a new phone until the update completes.

    17. Re:iOS users are more conditioned to upgrade by Quirkz · · Score: 2

      Glad someone else mentioned it. I'm having a hell of a time with Podcast. It took me about a month to get it halfway right in iOS 10, and about the time I did that 11 came out.

      My main problem is, when one podcast ends, the next one won't start without manual intervention, which is particularly bad because I'm mostly listening on the road.

      But really the whole interface is bad. Giant, screen-filling boxes, too much drilling down just to find an episode to play, difficult filters, a default that thinks you want to listen to a podcast backwards rather than in chronological order, a tendency to reset to the start screen if you leave and return, rather than picking up where you left off ...

      I used to also have a huge problem with a scenario where I'd be listening to a podcast, pause on the lock screen, and when I pulled it up again to start playing, it would switch over to Music and play that instead of restarting my podcast. I haven't seen it this week, though. Not sure if the upgrade to 11 fixed that piece, or some series of reboots and consistent podcast listening helped it find a groove.

      Are there other non-native podcast player options worth using? Does it integrate with iTunes podcast subscriptions?

    18. Re:iOS users are more conditioned to upgrade by tsa · · Score: 1

      That is complete bullshit. My iPad 3 is now 5 years old and still perfectly fine, although it's been stuck on iOS 9 for over two years now.

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    19. Re:iOS users are more conditioned to upgrade by tsa · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Indeed that is pretty amazing. They tried to make something worse than iTunes and they SUCCEEDED! That is a great achievement.

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    20. Re:iOS users are more conditioned to upgrade by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Woah woah, "One thing I can say about Windows 10 is that upgrades are much safer than they were back in the Windows 7 days..."

      Please clarify what you mean by this; So far every large update for Windows 10 has broken something new and for me personally has stopped me using several pieces of hardware and software that pre-update worked just fine!

      Right now my Win7 and Linux boxs get more use than Windows 10, which has mostly been relegated to playing modern games that require levels of GPU and CPU power that I need to run then on my Ryzen box which has been artificially blocked from running on Windows 7 by withholding driver support!

    21. Re:iOS users are more conditioned to upgrade by XxtraLarGe · · Score: 1

      Was her battery life already draining quickly? Older device at the end of iOS chain is also near the end of the expected battery life. Granted if these devices had user teplacable batteries you should be able to use these âoepremiumâ phones for over a decade. But like most OS updates the newer OS uses more cpu cycles expecting a faster device so does use more battery. Combine that with an older device with a battery that isnâ(TM)t holding its charge as well compounds the problem.

      I bought it for her new back in May 2017, so that should not be the case. Walmart was selling them for $99 with Total Wireless service.

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    22. Re:iOS users are more conditioned to upgrade by TheCastro1689 · · Score: 1

      I have a 6s and won't update until the battery drain is fixed.

    23. Re:iOS users are more conditioned to upgrade by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Is it a 5s or an SE? It you bought a 5s in 2017 it's been sitting on the shelf for a while!

    24. Re:iOS users are more conditioned to upgrade by antdude · · Score: 1

      Lots of companies are like this. MS got rid of its QA teams. Compnaies aren't really caring and paying QA testings. They expect developers, users, etc. to do those testings. :(

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    25. Re:iOS users are more conditioned to upgrade by TheFakeTimCook · · Score: 1

      Patently untrue. iOS 11 supports back to 5s. That's for a phone released in September of 2013. Meaning the Galaxy S5 which was released in April of 2014 will not be getting the upgrade (from Samsung). From a support model perspective, Apple wins hands down. It supports the devices longer with more frequent updates than even the best Android manufacturer.

      The cutoff in iOS 11 was dictated by which devices were 64 bit, as iOS 11 is 64-bit only.

      That's why the list of iOS 11 compatible devices starts at the 5s, the first 64-bit iPhone.

    26. Re:iOS users are more conditioned to upgrade by Pieroxy · · Score: 1

      You, sir, are completely uninformed. The reason iOS users update more frequently is precisely because the update does not come through the carriers. It comes directly from Apple. In all cases, no exceptions. And, of course, the update is completely free and always has been.

      Even people with hand-me-downs and resales do updates.

      Actually, first versions of iOS (2 and 3) were not free for ipod touch users.

    27. Re: iOS users are more conditioned to upgrade by Karlt1 · · Score: 1

      The native podcast app has been bad since it was first introduced. Once you change podcast apps to a third party app, you won't usually be stuck with it forever. Most third party apps support importing and exporting your podcast subscriptions via the OPML file specification. I use Overcast. It syncs between devices better than Apple podcast every have. It's more customizable, it's written by an independent developer - Marco Arment (first employee at Tumblr, creator of Instapaper).

  4. Meanwhile... by Opportunist · · Score: 2

    Windows 10 reached a market share of about 25% in over 2 years.

    Now this would be the moment when you'd have to ask why.

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    1. Re:Meanwhile... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      because Windows 7 just works and there's no need to upgrade

    2. Re:Meanwhile... by hcs_$reboot · · Score: 1

      Similar idea with Edge vs Chrome. Chrome is preferred while Edge is 1) installed along with the system 2) is the default browser 3) when you try to change the default the OS says "Don't you want to try it [edge] first, instead?"

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    3. Re:Meanwhile... by OzPeter · · Score: 1

      because Windows 7 just works and there's no need to upgrade

      I work with commercial desktop software written by GE and they *still* haven't certified this code for Windows 10.

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    4. Re:Meanwhile... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe because it's heavily run in risk adverse organizations that actively prevent upgrades. Maybe because so people use applications that depend on deprecated APIs, check for arbitrary version numbers, or are just plain fragile. Maybe it's because the UI change was significant enough that it was undesirable for some people.

      It's definitely apples and oranges here.

    5. Re:Meanwhile... by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      Yeah, why are Apple users overs with upgrades? No seriously comparing mobile systems to desktop OSes is pointless. I use the OS that comes with the device. There's nothing my windows 7 machine can't do that Windows 10 can in the day to day activities. I also don't upgrade it every 2 years.

      I'll upgrade when I need to, not because I have an obsession.

    6. Re:Meanwhile... by tepples · · Score: 1

      In addition, Windows 10 S runs only Edge. (I count wrappers for Edge's engine as Edge.)

  5. that's because ios 11 fucking sucks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    on the other hand, it's nice that upgrading is actually on option unlike disposable android shit that gets one update if you're lucky.

    1. Re:that's because ios 11 fucking sucks by tbuddy · · Score: 1

      Why I always buy a phone that can have its bootloader unlocked and is supported with a chip that won't be obsolete later down the road. Doing a bit of research alleviates the issue. Nice thing with Apple is you don't need to research the vendor. I just can't stand using iOS anymore since the cat started winning more than the mouse in terms of doing custom software to make the system less annoying.

    2. Re:that's because ios 11 fucking sucks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      on the other hand, it's nice that upgrading is actually on option unlike disposable android shit that gets one update if you're lucky.

      Android updates are out there, but it depends on your carrier and device manufacturer. My Note 4 was well supported on AT&T with current versions of Android, right up to the point where it died an untimely death by being dropped one too many times.

  6. Android for Comparison by mlw4428 · · Score: 3, Informative

    The highest adoption rate is Marshmallow at 32% and Lollipop (with API 22) at 21%. That's the one big benefit of Apple: you get updates (for at least a handful number of years).

    1. Re:Android for Comparison by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Apple generally gives updates for 5 years, and let's be real are you really trying to use a phone older than 5 years old?

    2. Re:Android for Comparison by OzPeter · · Score: 1

      Apple generally gives updates for 5 years, and let's be real are you really trying to use a phone older than 5 years old?

      I am using 10 year old RAZR. So yes people do hang onto things rather than go "ooh shiny shiny".

      Also my Late 2012 4th generation iPad is still running strong, but it won't see iOS 11 because .. Apple.

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    3. Re:Android for Comparison by known_coward_69 · · Score: 1

      I have an iPad 4 as well. Don't really care about the lack of IOS 11. Is it such a big deal? YouTube and other apps still work

    4. Re:Android for Comparison by TheRaven64 · · Score: 1

      I am using a Moto G (first generation). It stopped getting first-party updates after about two years, but it's now 4 years old and is getting regular updates from LinageOS. It's actually faster with the most recent Android than when I bought it (the ART compiler has improved a lot), so I imagine that I'll hang onto it for a long time. I may repurpose it at some point (remove the SIM and it's still a reasonable remote control for music and so on), but I anticipate keeping it for at least a couple more years.

      The problem with Apple devices is that, once the first party updates stop coming, you're screwed. There won't be any fixes for exploitable security vulnerabilities, so any use that involves connecting it to a network is out unless you want it to be a possible vector for spreading malware onto your LAN. In contrast, it's possible to unlock the bootloader for most Android devices, so it's possible for third parties to keep supporting them.

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    5. Re:Android for Comparison by tbuddy · · Score: 1

      Security fixes aside most popular apps start leaving you in the dark and if they change their APIs you're stuck with nothing. iOS devs are far quicker to abandon older devices than Android devs generally sticking to working without requiring the latest greatest API level.

    6. Re:Android for Comparison by tepples · · Score: 1

      iOS devs are far quicker to abandon older devices than Android devs generally sticking to working without requiring the latest greatest API level.

      I wonder if that's related to users of latest iOS being able to afford more paid apps and IAPs than users of old iOS, on average.

    7. Re:Android for Comparison by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      let's be real are you really trying to use a phone older than 5 years old?

      Let's be even more real: You expect Apple to give a damn about performance of a new OS on phones older than a year? It's all part of planned obsolescence and the best part is that the costumer think Apple is doing them a favor.

      You can say "Oh, but the upgrade is optional". The average consumer of course doesn't evaluate any of this, and Apple takes advantage of it.

      I saw a friend of mine using a iPhone5s with iOS 11. I got the feeling that my backup phone (a 2013 Moto G, $199 at launch) running MM is snappier. It's just sad.

    8. Re:Android for Comparison by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      Apple has one major release stream. Android have several with security updates backported back to version 4.4.

      There is more of a requirement to run the latest shiny for iOS, whereas in Android the requirement is not there and the shiny is reserved for customers paying for updated devices.

    9. Re:Android for Comparison by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't think you're "stuck with nothing". Sometimes you're stuck with an old version of the app.
      I'm pretty sure you can still run Youtube, Netflix and Kindle on an iPad 1, for example.

    10. Re:Android for Comparison by UnknowingFool · · Score: 1

      Apple has one major release stream. Android have several with security updates backported back to version 4.4.

      Android in general does. Android phones have a different story. Some phones require rooting the phone for new updates which may be unsupported for the phone so things might break/fail/not work right. Some Android phones simply can't be updated.

      There is more of a requirement to run the latest shiny for iOS, whereas in Android the requirement is not there and the shiny is reserved for customers paying for updated devices.

      And security patches having nothing to do with updates? On average, Apple supports their phones longer than Android. This is somewhat perplexing if you're paying the same price for both phones.

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    11. Re:Android for Comparison by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And security patches having nothing to do with updates? On average, Apple supports their phones longer than Android. This is somewhat perplexing if you're paying the same price for both phones.

      I know people like to think they are equivalent because they both function as phones, but there's a fundamental difference. An Apple phone is a communication appliance and an Android phone is a computer. One would expect to pay more for a less limited device... so not perplexing at all.

    12. Re:Android for Comparison by UnknowingFool · · Score: 1

      An Apple phone is a communication appliance and an Android phone is a computer.

      That a rather false premise isn't it? Please show me how an Android phone is somehow a computer when an Apple phone is not. And in the case of an Android phone being a "computer", you realize that you are seemingly ignoring the fact a phone is updated longer than the computer. You are advocating for more obsolescence in what you consider a "computer."

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    13. Re:Android for Comparison by Just+Some+Guy · · Score: 1

      I am using 10 year old RAZR. So yes people do hang onto things rather than go "ooh shiny shiny".

      That's nice, grandpa. I used my "ooh shiny shiny" to SSH into a workstation and fix something during my bus commute this morning.

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    14. Re:Android for Comparison by tlhIngan · · Score: 1

      Apple has one major release stream. Android have several with security updates backported back to version 4.4.

      There is more of a requirement to run the latest shiny for iOS, whereas in Android the requirement is not there and the shiny is reserved for customers paying for updated devices.

      That's because on iOS, more users will be on the latest shiny OS than on Android, where you have the majority of users still on 3-4 year old OSes because that's all they ever will get.

      And 4.4 security updates stopped as of October. 5 updates will stop soon enough.

      If you're an iOS developer, you can target iOS 11 for your apps because a good chunk of the population will be using it. If you're an Android developer, targeting Oreo will net you a minuscule part of the Android userbase. You'd want to target Android 6 or so to capture the majority of Android users.

    15. Re: Android for Comparison by UnknowingFool · · Score: 1

      I think it was well known in advance that 32-bit processors wouldn't run iOS 11.

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    16. Re:Android for Comparison by TheFakeTimCook · · Score: 1

      ...but it won't see iOS 11 because .. Apple.

      No. Because 32-bit.

      iOS has been carrying around both 32 and 64-bit support for at least the past 2 major revs. That is a much larger drain on resources (development and testing resources) than you might think.

      Making iOS 11 64-bit only was a concept who's time had come. Time marches on.

      Unfortunately, that leaves some people with old gear out in the cold, upgrade wise...

    17. Re:Android for Comparison by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      That's because on iOS, more users will be on the latest shiny OS than on Android

      Exactly my point.

      And 4.4 security updates stopped as of October. 5 updates will stop soon enough.

      Got a cite for that? I couldn't find anything on the topic that said that Google won't update the security patch level on 4.4 going forward.

      If you're an iOS developer, you can target iOS 11 for your apps because a good chunk of the population will be using it. If you're an Android developer, targeting Oreo will net you a minuscule part of the Android userbase. You'd want to target Android 6 or so to capture the majority of Android users.

      Targetting? What are you talking about. The API levels have changed so little in the past 3+ years. A vast majority of new features do not affect core functionality. The backwards compatibility of Android APIs is one of its best selling points to developers. You can target API level 26 and implement all the latest and greatest without having the core functionality lost in earlier versions. I think the last time something of note to developers was introduced was API level 23 which introduced native support for fingerprint readers.

      In short, as a developer if you're caring about targetting the latest API level for some core functionality consider your product incredibly niche and don't bet on getting rich.

    18. Re:Android for Comparison by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      And security patches having nothing to do with updates? On average, Apple supports their phones longer than Android.

      You're not understanding the difference between updates and security patches. They have nothing to do with each other. Just because your Ancient Galaxy S5 didn't get Orea, or Nougat, or maybe you didn't chose to install Marshmallow doesn't mean that it isn't supported due to the difference between security level patching and the version of the OS.

      With Apple, you're either running the latest or you're out of support. Apple support their hardware with core OS releases longer, but security wise there's little separating the companies with Google providing security patching all the way back to the original release which separated security from feature updates.

    19. Re:Android for Comparison by UnknowingFool · · Score: 1

      You're not understanding the difference between updates and security patches. They have nothing to do with each other. Just because your Ancient Galaxy S5 didn't get Orea, or Nougat, or maybe you didn't chose to install Marshmallow doesn't mean that it isn't supported due to the difference between security level patching and the version of the OS.

      Oh I understand the difference. So please tell me that how I get security updates on my Android phone? You can't because you don't know 1) the model/version and 2) the carrier. With Android you might get a phone that hasn't been updated in years and can't be updated/won't be updated even with security patches. Like I said: Android in general does. With Android phones, the details matter.

      But I can just root the phone right? Maybe. Again depends on the model/version/firmware version/etc and carrier. Even then it's not a guarantee as it relies on 3rd party software that may or may not work. And after all that, rooting doesn't mean that magically my phone will always be patched. If anything rooting the phone makes the patching more of a nightmare. Now I'm completely responsible for the patching and have to keep up with patch releases and researching that every patch will work/been tested/has no issue with my phone. It also means that whatever custom patching I've done might be incompatible with official patches. It is, at times, maddening.

      With Apple, you're either running the latest or you're out of support.

      And how is that different than Android? It's exactly the same but with Android I have the option to root. Sorta. Maybe. For most people the "sorta . . . maybe" isn't worth it. As someone who has to administer Windows, OS X, and Linux, I have no desire to be a full time security admin at home.

      Apple support their hardware with core OS releases longer, but security wise there's little separating the companies with Google providing security patching all the way back to the original release which separated security from feature updates.

      Again, Google provides the patches. Those patches might never make it to my Android for a long list of reasons.

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    20. Re:Android for Comparison by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      So *whaa* {insert problem that isn't related to Google about Google's OS here}.
      Vote with your wallet. My phone is 3 years old and is on security patch level October 2017, without rooting, just from OTA updates, and running Lollipop.

      Which brings me back to the original point: There's fuck all reason to desire an upgrade to a new OS, unlike with Apple where doing so is critical for security reasons.

    21. Re: Android for Comparison by Karlt1 · · Score: 1

      Apple has allowed older devices to download the last compatible version for years.

      I rediscovered my old first gen iPad (2010 last update 2011) when I moved. I reset it and started downloading apps just to see what would work. Most of the major streaming services still work (Netflix, Hulu, Plex, Crackle, the WB, CBS, Spotify). Google Drive still works and you can still download and use your purchased content from Apple. Apple's productivity apps also still work like Pages, Keynote, and Numbers and you can still sync the documents to other devices using iCloud.

      Safari can't handle any modern web sites without crashing and it's painful to use with 256Mb of RAM but the other built in apps still work.

    22. Re: Android for Comparison by Karlt1 · · Score: 1

      With Apple, you're either running the latest or you're out of support

      Not true, there have been plenty of times where Apple back ported security patches to the previous version of the OS for devices that couldn't run the latest version.

    23. Re:Android for Comparison by UnknowingFool · · Score: 1

      So *whaa* {insert problem that isn't related to Google about Google's OS here}.

      You wrote about Android OS in general. Are you denying that these are legitimate problems affecting Android phones in general. Most consumers don't give a damn that Google puts out Android security updates that they don't see. They care that they can get the updates.

      Vote with your wallet. My phone is 3 years old and is on security patch level October 2017, without rooting, just from OTA updates, and running Lollipop

      No that wasn't your point. Your point was: "There is more of a requirement to run the latest shiny for iOS, whereas in Android the requirement is not there and the shiny is reserved for customers paying for updated devices." With an Android device you can't know how long if ever your phone gets updated. It even matters down to the model and carrier.

      Your phone is 3 years old and still gets updates. Congrats. But you can't say that about every Android.

      Which brings me back to the original point: There's fuck all reason to desire an upgrade to a new OS, unlike with Apple where doing so is critical for security reasons.

      Which brings me to my point: security patches are useless if the consumer can't apply them.

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  7. DUH` by p51d007 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    When the manufacturer controls the updates, I'm surprised it's THAT low.

    1. Re:DUH` by hcs_$reboot · · Score: 2

      Controls much less than MS and windows 10. People choose to update whenever they feel to do so. This small red "1" tells you an update is pending, but you can just ignore it.

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    2. Re:DUH` by chemish · · Score: 1

      Controls much less than MS and windows 10. People choose to update whenever they feel to do so. This small red "1" tells you an update is pending, but you can just ignore it.

      You can ignore it but it is more then just a little red 1 over the updates icon in the settings. The first time each day I wake and unlock unlock my iPhone running 10.3 it pops up saying there is an update and wants me to schedule it. The options are to install the update now, schedule a time a little later to install it, or 'Remind me later' which apparently mean every single day.

    3. Re: DUH` by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Funny I never see those. Then again I disable the shit out of neeedless features. My phone probably runs with a feature set of something like IOS 3 or similar

    4. Re:DUH` by Freischutz · · Score: 2

      When the manufacturer controls the updates, I'm surprised it's THAT low.

      Controls much less than MS and windows 10. People choose to update whenever they feel to do so. This small red "1" tells you an update is pending, but you can just ignore it.

      You can ignore it but it is more then just a little red 1 over the updates icon in the settings. The first time each day I wake and unlock unlock my iPhone running 10.3 it pops up saying there is an update and wants me to schedule it. The options are to install the update now, schedule a time a little later to install it, or 'Remind me later' which apparently mean every single day.

      What an amusing discussion, it's just one of those fights you can't win. Leave it up to the user when to update and he'll bitch and moan about you not patching some vulnerability which led to his phone being pwned by some Russian mafia hacker who'll cleaned out his life savings. Force the user to update so his phone won't be pwned by some Russian mafia hacker who'll clean out his life savings and the user will bitch and moan about how you are a tyrant who forces him into doing unnecessary updates all the time... and if you are Microsoft or Apple you also get accused of plotting to achieve world domination, enslaving humanity and putting it to work in your dungeon like smartphone assembly sweatshops as part of your evil master plot to subjugate all sentient life forms in the galaxy as slaves to your a pan-galactic empire MWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

  8. iOS 11 is a little funky esp with the retarded wif by shm · · Score: 1

    But it hasn't slowed down my gold old 5s.

    For now. I hope to get another year out of it before looking for options.

    No headphone jack, no upgrade.

  9. Not adopted by hcs_$reboot · · Score: 0

    Following iOS 11/11.1 install, 3 years old iPhones have camera and GPS problems (iPhone 6/6+) ; not saying Apple intentionally crippled a 3 yo perfectly working hardware to force users to upgrade, but that's quite suspicious...

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    1. Re:Not adopted by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My 6 runs the latest Ios no problem. I suspet somehing is up with your particular handset because it works fine. But then again im always amazed at how people mistreat thier phones.

    2. Re:Not adopted by jittles · · Score: 2

      Following iOS 11/11.1 install, 3 years old iPhones have camera and GPS problems (iPhone 6/6+) ; not saying Apple intentionally crippled a 3 yo perfectly working hardware to force users to upgrade, but that's quite suspicious...

      I don't believe it's anything malicious. I believe that Apple software quality is rapidly approaching 0.

    3. Re:Not adopted by hcs_$reboot · · Score: 1

      Oh yeah, Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by incompetence, forgot this one!

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    4. Re: Not adopted by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      8.3 was the last version they seemed to had any semblance of QA on. 5 was the last version that seemed to had full QA done on it in release gating capacity

    5. Re:Not adopted by Dixie_Flatline · · Score: 1

      Everything was a lot slower on my 6, yes. (I had to get a 7 over the weekend because my 6 was stolen.)

      However, since I'm usually running the public beta, I made a complaint about the keyboard speed and got an email about it today, with the claim that they've made a fix that MIGHT help. So performance is something they're actively working on, it sounds like.

      (I greatly suspect, like the weird issue with the 'I' key, that this was because of the 'machine learning' stuff they're trying to run in the background. The iPhone 6 simply doesn't have the horsepower for it.)

    6. Re:Not adopted by Dixie_Flatline · · Score: 2

      Here's the thing with Apple: I think they test everything as best as they can...but not in the real world.

      The keyboard problems on their Pro laptops? That sounds like a lot of testing was done in Jony Ive's clean workroom. Same with the weird design problems with the AppleTV remote. Same with the TouchBar. All these things work great if you're not bringing something to a cafe and trying to get work done there, or sitting on a real couch with dogs and kids and trying to use the AppleTV remote in the dark while holding a drink.

      Same with problems with the older phones. Nobody dogfoods this stuff. No employees (or not enough employees) are walking around with an iPhone 6 in their pockets trying to get on with their lives; the iPhone 6 is probably being tested in a lab with few apps installed and lots of empty space on the disk.

      I love my Apple stuff, but sometimes it really feels like nobody tried to use it out in the street before shipping it.

    7. Re:Not adopted by jittles · · Score: 3, Informative

      I love my Apple stuff, but sometimes it really feels like nobody tried to use it out in the street before shipping it.

      Sometimes? Just about every single issue in the past few years could have easily been spotted by any QA or dev who just used their own tool. Even the calculator issue in iOS 11 shows that no one at Apple has bothered to use the calculator on their phone in the year or so that Apple has been working on the release.

    8. Re:Not adopted by Dixie_Flatline · · Score: 1

      There are some things they do and test really well! And on iOS they have the advantage of a lot of beta users. I really like my iPhone 7, for instance, and I'm surprised at how much of an upgrade it was from my 6.

      But yeah, I think there's a real issue with real world testing, and it's going to come back and haunt Apple. (If it isn't doing so already; the replacement costs for those keyboards are enormous, and for the time being, all of them are being done under warranty. There's also losing the mantle of selling the most reliable products, which is one of the biggest reasons I buy Apple stuff.)

  10. Eh, most hold-outs are people afraid to upgrade. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I had one of my friends update her iPad and it is freezing randomly, another friend update his iPhone 6 and complains about slowness, so I wasn't eager to switch. I have an app and most of my beta testers have not upgraded, when I asked them they said similar things to that...

  11. 50% by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    " In other words, the latest version of the company's mobile operating system is now on one in every two of its mobile devices"

    For those who don't know what 50% means. Slashdot continues it's descent into a generic news site.

  12. IOS 11 is another turning point by OzPeter · · Score: 1

    I can't update my perfectly working iPad because it is not supported by iOS11.

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    1. Re:IOS 11 is another turning point by TheFakeTimCook · · Score: 1

      I can't update my perfectly working iPad because it is not supported by iOS11.

      Likely because it is 32 bit.

  13. Ummmm, moron. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    If you were 1/1000th the "power user" you claim to be, you'd know you can turn off the update nagging.

    1. Re:Ummmm, moron. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      this ^

    2. Re:Ummmm, moron. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      All he knows how to do is nag. No one can turn him off. He is a retard.

    3. Re: Ummmm, moron. by spongman · · Score: 0

      Not easily, you can't.

  14. Once again they copy Microsoft by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They learned from the best that constantly nagging users and forcing inconvenient updates works.

  15. So the REAL headline would be by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Apple's IOS adoption rate slowing doooown?

  16. ... but have they fixed all the serious bugs yet? by urbanriot · · Score: 1

    As every Apple user knows, you never update to the latest Mac OS or iOS release when it first comes out due to the sometimes insurmountable issues you might face (like lost data). However this one seems to be the worst, the primary issue being the inability for an iPhone or iPad to connect to a large number of wireless networks because Apple has decided what is a 'safe' network and what is not. This was feedbacked during beta testing in the summer and unfortunately the final release still incorporated this unpatched 'feature' where plenty of folks will go to places like a large hotel and can't stay connected to wifi (connect for a second, get an IP, disconnected) even after setting the new settings like 'always join'. This bug still existed after three iOS 11 patches, undetermined if it was fixed in 11.1. Also serious reports of battery draining as well.

  17. No easy way to downgrade to previous iOS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ... I had to upgrade a device under corporate policy to iOS 11. Even after 4 updates, I still see much poorer performance in touch response than under iOS 10. At least 11.1 seems to have resolved the enormous battery drain issue.

    However, given the limitations, I really wish I could take this device back to iOS 10 which had longer battery life and better performance overall. I'd probably be just as happy with iOS 9... I don't use the latest whizz-bang features, I use the phone, Messages, Mail, Safari, Camera, Notes, and an occasional 3rd party app. It's disappointing how much this device now feels like an unresponsive brick instead of the highly productive phone it had previously been.

  18. Of course it does.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It (iOS) pesters the ever-living-hell out of you until you update and there's no way to politely decline forever. Users are bound to accidentally hit the "install now" button one of the thousand times it pops-over what they're actually trying to do on their devices. It's super-fun in an enterprise where you might plan on running a high-priced app purchased outside the App Store and signed with an enterprise developer certificate for years when you have no control over what OS version it'll be running on.

  19. Whats the 'shouldnt have done that' adoption rate? by adosch · · Score: 1

    I've been an i adopter forever, and I'm not really sure why. I'd say buy and large, Apple gives you very little room and window of opportunity to have older iOS versions + apps stay in a security and maintenence only release. I guarantee that the over half of that '50%' adoption was because of the classically conditioned sub-novice-power-savvy Apple user just auto-forcing updates or accidentally clicking the 'do it next time I'm on wifi at 3am' shit, then being undeniably pissed because all the phony tech reviews about the 'next' iOS on their already old/EOL iPhone/iPad doesn't function that bad with the new OS but it, in fact, does and was never meant to.

    Apple can boast this all they want, if it's indeed something to even brag about, but I'd love to see what device(s) we all still get the iOS 11 update push to that shouldn't ever have it installed on and have a successful runtime with it before you see that Apple ID re-activated with an iPhone 8 or X out of frustration.

  20. That's because... by tomxor · · Score: 3, Funny

    They can't search for "install iOS 10" to revert... because they can't type "i"

    1. Re:That's because... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      eh? there's no "i" in ten...

    2. Re:That's because... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      To enter an 'i' you need to buy the iDongle; now only $29.99

    3. Re:That's because... by tepples · · Score: 1

      there's no "i" in ten

      English isn't the only language spoken by iOS users.

      Afrikaans and Dutch: tien
      Danish and Norwegian: ti
      French: dix
      Irish: deich
      Italian: dieci
      Mandarin Chinese (Pinyin IME): shí
      Spanish: diez
      Swedish: tio
      Vietnamese: mu'ò'i

  21. Re:iOS 11 is a little funky esp with the retarded by dysmal · · Score: 1

    Not touching iOS 11 until they address the BlueTooth/WiFi settings where you toggle it OFF in control center and all it does is DISCONNECT you for the rest of the day.

    https://discussions.apple.com/...

  22. Still waiting for it to stabilize by DeplorableCodeMonkey · · Score: 1

    I almost hit upgrade on my phone, but the I saw the announcement of an input bug.

    o_O

    Input bug? How the Hell do you miss that in QA?

    1. Re:Still waiting for it to stabilize by Dixie_Flatline · · Score: 1

      Supposedly it's a machine learning bug, which means if you're just testing how the keyboard works in sort of ideal conditions, it's not going to pop up. 50% adoption also means a LOT of people. Even a 1 in 500000 bug is going to crop up on a LOT of phones.

  23. That's because ... WE'RE RICH! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    We don't use old iPhones that can't handle the new code. Most droids are ancient chinese ware. And they don't even make winphones for years. Apple is all there is. All that matters. And that's the way we like it because ... WE'RE RICH! (Some pretend, but that's okay, TRUMP is president!)

    1. Re:That's because ... WE'RE RICH! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There was a time when there were actually programmers and engineers on Slashdot who made enough money that buying an iPhone once in a while wasn't a big deal, but somewhere over the years the high income talent left, and got replaced by hobbyists and pc gamers who work at Gamestop.

  24. Are older devices included in the count? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I call bullshite. I can't even update 3 out of my 5 "apple mobile devices". Planned obsolescence...

    1. Re:Are older devices included in the count? by UnknowingFool · · Score: 1

      The oldest phone to get iOS 11 is the 5S which means your phone is older than 4 years. There aren't that many Android phones that still get updates 4 years after release.

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  25. wpa2 fix by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    maybe because 11 was supposed to fix the WPA 2 WiFi encryption crack?

  26. Re:That's nothing. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What, exactly, is the purpose of this post? It isn't unique or funny, and has nothing to do with the article. This site is being overrun by dullards.

  27. Too much fragmentation in ios by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    and apple isnt a good enough software developer to keep up with it.

  28. Lack of 32-bit support is a bummer by Mascot · · Score: 1

    The removal of 32-bit support is what has stopped me from upgrading my iPad. I have a number of games on there that will never get a 64-bit version since the studios that ported them are long gone. I paid good money for those games.

    I guess that there might come a time when some application I really want is only available for iOS 11 and outweighs my desire to retain access to my 32-bit library, but until then I'm sticking with 10.

  29. Mixed feelings by Xenolith0 · · Score: 1

    On one hand, updating my iPhone 6 to iOS11 added a feature I've been wanting for a LONG time. IMAP IDLE support! Happy to have that at last.

    On the other hand, now the phone is slow and unresponsive. Feels like an Android.

    1. Re:Mixed feelings by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You must have missed the benchmarks where the Note 8 was keeping up and sometimes even being faster...

      but don't let that interrupt your fanboism / shilling for free.

    2. Re:Mixed feelings by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And you paid a premium for that. Serves you right for buying apple iCrap.

  30. Found him^^^ by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Found Ivanka's cuck.

    1. Re:Found him^^^ by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Again, not funny. Turd.

  31. I would revert if i could by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    iOS constantly bugs you and you can't turn it off. I would like to go back to iOS 10, but it's a pain. The only app I use on the darn thing is apparently 32 bit, so I can't run it anymore. GO Apple!!!

  32. My battery by Berkyjay · · Score: 1

    wishes I could go back to iOS 10

  33. Skipping this update by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Context here is important. I believe this is the slowest adoption of a new version of iOS in a long time (ever?)

    Personally, I have not updated my iPhone 6s Plus and have no plans to. The reason is iOS 11 breaks a whole shitload of apps.

    Anything that's 32 bit does not work with iOS 11.

    That's huge, and a big slap in the face to loyal users of the platform.

    As of now, I have 42 apps on my phone that won't work if I update. Plus more that I don't have on my phone for space reasons. I don't believe these apps will ever be updated.

    Apple didn't have to do this.

    FUCK YOU APPLE!

  34. Sorry, but that behavior is better by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

    I really like the new behavior, it's much better for travel where you just want it to not connect to something you had connected to before for the day, then when you get home it will still be on WiFi.

    Now I would agree it's a bit confusion, but I think they just need to clarify that's what it is doing rather than change what it does... after all you can still turn it off in Settings.

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  35. Re:iOS 11 is a little funky esp with the retarded by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    LOL. Fight the good fight. Stick it to the man, bro.

  36. Do you work for Equifax? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That's nice, grandpa. I used my "ooh shiny shiny" to SSH into a workstation and fix something during my bus commute this morning.

    *sigh* Do you work for Equifax? Exposing production machines to the internet like that seemed to be their level of noninterest in system security.

    1. Re:Do you work for Equifax? by Just+Some+Guy · · Score: 1

      No, but my "ooh shiny shiny" also has a VPN so that I can poke at (a limited number of) internal hosts to trouble shoot stuff from home.

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  37. aka iOS 10 lost 50% of market in under 2 months by mimino · · Score: 1

    whichever way you look at it.

  38. Lol by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sorry how is this news? Apple red tape requires you use the new is or your trash falls outside scope of support after 12 weeks.

  39. Do you like fruit? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Apples to apples please, no pun intended

  40. Re:iOS 11 is a little funky esp with the retarded by TheFakeTimCook · · Score: 1

    Not touching iOS 11 until they address the BlueTooth/WiFi settings where you toggle it OFF in control center and all it does is DISCONNECT you for the rest of the day.

    https://discussions.apple.com/...

    They DID address it.

    The toggle in Control Panel is a Disconnect; but peer-peer services such as AirDrop still work. This AVOIDS confusion on the part of users.

    All one has to do to actually turn WiFi OFF, is to toggle it OFF in the Settings App.