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People Still Aren't Buying Smartwatches -- and It's Only Going To Get Worse (businessinsider.com)

An anonymous reader shares a report: Wearable technology still isn't catching up. Despite a year full of exciting new smartwatches, tech-enabled clothing or jewelry, and fitness activity trackers galore, the growth of the wearables market is still on the decline, according to a new report from research firm eMarketer. In fact, the entire category is being overtaken by smart speakers, at least during the 2017 holiday season. "Other than early adopters, consumers have yet to find a reason to justify the cost of a smartwatch, which can sometimes cost as much as a smartphone," eMarketer forecasting analyst Cindy Liu wrote in the report. "Instead, for this holiday season, we expect smart speakers to be the gift of choice for many tech enthusiasts, because of their lower price points."

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  1. Maybe it's because... by skam240 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Maybe it's because I don't want an accessory on my wrist that offers almost no advantages over the cell in my pocket, meanwhile costing the same as a nice watch but looking like an 80's calculator wrist watch.

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    1. Re:Maybe it's because... by ZorinLynx · · Score: 5, Insightful

      If smart watches actually did look like 80s calculator wrist watches, I might actually get one!

      Instead I just wear my 80s style Casio G-Shock. Because it's dorky-retro and I love that.

    2. Re:Maybe it's because... by houstonbofh · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Maybe it's because I don't want an accessory on my wrist that offers almost no advantages over the cell in my pocket, meanwhile costing the same as a nice watch but looking like an 80's calculator wrist watch.

      And something that is only in style for about 6 months... I have a Tag from 2001. I have a Rolex from 1966. A 4 year old iWatch is trash... Not a good investment or accessory.

    3. Re:Maybe it's because... by TWX · · Score: 5, Interesting

      A couple of coworkers have them. The screens are so small as to be nearly useless. The prolific texter frequently gets frustrated and gets his phone out because he can't reply on the watch with any accuracy. Without good interactivity they do not appear to be any more useful than as a timekeeping device. I suppose if one reads a lot of RSS feeds or twitter feeds or the like it could be a more convenient way to keep current, but when I'm at work I'm supposed to be working so I shouldn't make it even easier to get off-task.

      We're at a weird crossroads with technology. We pushed for faster and higher resolution for a very long time, and now that often is at-odds with portability. I'm typing this on a very upoptioned XPS 13 with the 3200x1800 display and honestly this computer has moved a little too far in the direction of screen resolution, without scaling it's unusably high-res, and its battery life is OK but isn't astounding (admittedly with Linux). Not sure exactly what the resolution on these watches is, but on something that's one or two square inches anything over good old fashioned VGA is probably unusable, but most applications are designed for higher res than that even for smartphones. Not sure how they're supposed to overcome that for watches.

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    4. Re:Maybe it's because... by skam240 · · Score: 1

      You're right, I insulted 80's calculator wrist watches which definitely had their own level of awesome.

      Smart watches generally don't look retro though. They generally just look like cheap plastic garbage.

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    5. Re:Maybe it's because... by skam240 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I have a watch given to me by my grandmother from a grandfather I never knew. It's "only" gold plated and "only" has a plastic face rather than crystal but it's one of my most precious things. Why would anyone want an old smartwatch, regardless of who owned it?

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    6. Re: Maybe it's because... by careysub · · Score: 1

      Fitbit doesnâ(TM)t integrate with Apple HomeKit and that is a reason to pass over it for another smart watch. Yet all smart watches have incredibly bad battery life. A 20$ watch lasts a year on a battery.

      More like three years on a lithium battery in my experience (if you don't hit the backlight often).

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    7. Re:Maybe it's because... by Excelcia · · Score: 2

      Plus, like many devices, vendors tend to consider smart watches as the "gift that keeps on giving" them money. Everything requires you to send your data to them, and then depend on getting it back from them on their web site in their way, all the while being inundated with their offers and their promotions. The old school MP4 watches had more features - could watch a video on them, listen to music, read a book, or even record audio discreetly. You can still find them on Chinese web sites every so often. Recording audio, I can't tell you how many times I've been in a situation where I've wanted to record something where I couldn't get my phone out.

      Back on track, though, we lost the first part of the war to keep our data. People are now getting fed up with it, and vendors aren't cluing in that for something to sell, it needs to offer discreet features that aren't just "opportunities" to give them ongoing service fees.

    8. Re:Maybe it's because... by b0s0z0ku · · Score: 1

      Are they getting fed up? Does the average sheep care?

      Or are people just getting jaded about additional tech?

    9. Re:Maybe it's because... by ctilsie242 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      It isn't like self-winding watch technology is new. For a C-note or two, I can buy a Bulova self-winder.

      We have all the parts of the technology here:

      1: Self-winding mechanisms.
      2: Very low power ASICs.
      3: e-Ink screens that are available in a watch form factor.
      4: Batteries or capacitors that can hold electricity.
      5: Flexible solar panels for the watchband.
      6: Low power Bluetooth.

      We can take any/all of these and make a self-winding smartwatch that never needs physical charging. No, it may not have OLED or 3D graphics... but it would have enough CPU, RAM, and storage to do basic functions like medical device data, pedometer, and what one expects from a Fitbit type unit.

      Even then, finding a smartwatch that looks elegant and stylish is a problem. The Apple Watch does appeal to a certain demographic, but there are many others who will shell out $1000 for a timepiece because it will work the same as it did when it came out of the box, 50-100 years from now. This is the market smartwatch makers need to consider going after to expand.

    10. Re:Maybe it's because... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Tablet is actually very useful to me. I read books on tablet and use it to lookup information while watching TV. I also use it to display recipe while cooking and to replace calculator and to snap occasional picture of something I want to remember and to take notes. So over all it is much more useful than a smartwatch.

      I would not give up my laptop for a tablet but as a supplemental device it is very useful. I use it more than I use my phone. As far as watch goes, I don't need another device that I have to charge every day. It is hard to fit any amount of useful information on the watch screen. If I want a activity tracker, I get a fitbit. It is much more durable and much less expensive than a smart watch and you only need to charge it once every few days.

    11. Re:Maybe it's because... by antdude · · Score: 1

      I still wear and use a Casio Data Bank 150 watch! I would like a smartwartch that is small, light, and last a long time!

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    12. Re:Maybe it's because... by ctilsie242 · · Score: 1

      Nothing wrong with the 80s style G-Shocks. They do a certain function, and do it extremely well. I've seen first-hand things that those watches have gone through and survived.

      I wouldn't mind an 80s style calculator watch. These days, something like that would be great for storing TOTP 2FA codes, passwords and other items that you don't want on an always-online device. Perhaps with some small camera for QR codes.

    13. Re:Maybe it's because... by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      Smart watches need to be dumber.

      Give me a smart watch with reliable, always on heart rate monitor and step counter, plus a vibration motor and one line LCD for notifications. One week battery life minimum.

      That's all. A normal clock face is fine.

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    14. Re:Maybe it's because... by ctilsie242 · · Score: 2

      Even older Casio and Timex watches are useful. There are Pac-Man watches from the early 1980s which will still function with a battery replacement. A four year old Apple Watch is damaged by the way it is opened (with the waterproof gasket being destroyed), while virtually any other watch out there can have a battery replaced, even if it may require some tools that a jeweler has, fairly easily.

    15. Re:Maybe it's because... by TWX · · Score: 2

      Smart watches are for showing the weather, caller ID and what's next on the schedule. Doing much more than that doesn't work well due to the form factor. Certainly not anything that requires complicated inputs or a large screen.

      The main reason why these are failing is because they aren't being marketed correctly and aren't focused on getting those things right. If they had those things right, they'd probably be selling far more of them.

      Most people don't really need those three features enough to pay for a smartwatch. Even most technically-savvy people don't need those features. Many of those who are in that many meetings or have that many incoming calls to field are in management and may have secretaries that handle a lot of that stuff.

      I don't see a killer application for the smartwatch.

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    16. Re:Maybe it's because... by jordanjay29 · · Score: 2

      So, a Fidbit?

    17. Re:Maybe it's because... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Once last year sometime I was walking through the walmart watch section and noticed they still sell the *exact* same casio calculator watch I had in the early 90's. Near as I could tell they hadn't changed a single thing on it in 25 years.

    18. Re:Maybe it's because... by Demena · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I don't see a killer application for the smartwatch.

      I bought mine (an Apple series 3) pretty much for retail therapy (being stupid is ok, if you are aware of and compensate for it) and there may be no killer app. But there is a lifesaving one. My watch woke me up when I was running a high fever (heartbeat too high). Doctor told me that if I had not called an ambulance when I did I would have not made it through the night. So, there may be no killer app but there is certainly one that saved my life.

    19. Re:Maybe it's because... by mschwanke97402 · · Score: 2

      I keep thinking that they’re pretty useless myself. I don’t get constant app updates or texts that need my immediate attention all day long and I have no use for a fitness tracker. Somehow Apple is selling a couple of million of these every quarter. A $2-$3 Billion a year business ain’t chicken feed.

    20. Re:Maybe it's because... by religionofpeas · · Score: 4, Informative

      I had a fitbit for a few months. The heart rate monitor was a piece of crap. Sometimes it didn't work at all, and when it did display a number, it was often wrong. After a few months, the band started to come apart, and I threw it away.

    21. Re:Maybe it's because... by aaarrrgggh · · Score: 2

      Function vs heirloom. I have several watches more valuable than my Apple Watch that sit in my dresser because it is more useful to have ready access to selected information of my choosing. Don't get me wrong... I miss my old watches from a style and uniqueness aspect, and I am not sure what the hell to do this week for a timer this week as I go scuba diving.

      But... I can't get the current temperature, stock ticker, text messages, or a host of other info on my awesomely simple Welder.

    22. Re: Maybe it's because... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      mi band 2, or xiaomi amazfit bit

    23. Re:Maybe it's because... by DivineKnight · · Score: 2

      Bingo. Compared to Dick Tracy & 007's watches, these things are glorified LED bracelets.

    24. Re:Maybe it's because... by Nexion · · Score: 5, Interesting

      "And something that is only in style for about 6 months... I have a Tag from 2001. I have a Rolex from 1966. A 4 year old iWatch is trash... Not a good investment or accessory."

      As someone who is wearing the latest watch from apple I would trade it with this gentleman for his Tag in a heartbeat. I have this watch knowing full well it will be shit in 2 years. The next watch I buy is a Tag or something that has old school gears in it. There is something timeless about a device built to precision that is nothing more than metal gears synchronized to perfection.

    25. Re:Maybe it's because... by tlhIngan · · Score: 2

      I still wear and use a Casio Data Bank 150 watch! I would like a smartwartch that is small, light, and last a long time!

      Funny thing, I have the same watch with the Waveceptor thing (sets itself). Oddly, the battery suddenly died out on it one day (I wear it daily). I then realized the battery on it dated way beyond what it was supposed to be - I got it way back in 1996, and I know I've done 2 battery changes on it - about every 5 years or so. Turns out the battery was changed around 2008 or so, so the battery was well beyond the battery life. It was a bit odd since I usually get a low battery alarm. Instead, it was working in the morning, and I noticed when I got home it was dead.

      Yes, changing the battery fixed it - it was measuring around 0.2V or so. Danged watch pretty used up the entire battery.

    26. Re:Maybe it's because... by AK+Marc · · Score: 2

      Fitbit Charge 2 has great HR, the band sucks. My band failed after about 3 months, but a replacement band is better than the original.

    27. Re: Maybe it's because... by sonamchauhan · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Ah, the build quality, of course. The low-capacity (and slightly-swollen) battery, PCB with tin whiskers, chipped bezel, unresponsive OS, temperamental Bluetooth, 'retired' cloud service, flaky sensors, compatibility issues with your hardware devices, tatty plastic band... All these add a degree of authenticity.

    28. Re:Maybe it's because... by Uberbah · · Score: 1

      I have a Tag from 2001. I have a Rolex from 1966. A 4 year old iWatch is trash... Not a good investment or accessory.

      And what vintage is the hatorade? Replace the battery in the old iWatch and it will run circles around the Rolex as long as it's functional.

    29. Re:Maybe it's because... by houghi · · Score: 2

      I have two pocketwatches. One from both my grandfathers.I took them when my sister and myself emptied the house.

      I took them because they look nice on a wall. As a watch, they are useless to me. No idea what their value is, but it ain't priceless. I just can't be bothered to sell them.

      And I am sure people would give money if a smartwatch was owned by somebody famous.

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    30. Re: Maybe it's because... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Cute you think that the servers responsible for this information will still be up in 5-10 years for any smartwatch, let alone Captain Planned obsolescence inc.

      Maybe when the servers get old, they'll throttle them too for reliability

    31. Re:Maybe it's because... by Demena · · Score: 1

      Both gram-negative and gram positive multiplying in my blood. I think they used to call it blood poisoning. Source undetermined. Thank you for your interest.

    32. Re:Maybe it's because... by Solar1ze · · Score: 1

      Wow, "my Dr told me".. jesus mate, if your that sick that you could die at any minute, I suggest you get yourself to a hospital and stay there. Otherwise that's just trolling.. could have died in the night, turn it up!

    33. Re: Maybe it's because... by kristofer.vesi · · Score: 1

      Download the calculator app, tough it doesn't offer functionality

    34. Re:Maybe it's because... by Demena · · Score: 1

      I cannot see the point of your post unless you are maintaining that I am either lying or exaggerating. Neither is the case. There is more information but your post is hardly likely to make me explain in detail. I am not particularly sick although old and a bit debilitated, But that s not relevant. It could (and does) happen to people in the peak of their health.

      What I reported was factually accurate. If you want to call it 'trolling' there is nothing stopping you but I do not see why you do so. If it were a (successful) troll there would have been lots of people attacking the post not just you. It is just that for me it is a bit ironic that the killer app for me was saving my life. If you doubt me, why should I care about some one that misquotes me (talk about trolling)?

    35. Re:Maybe it's because... by Bongo · · Score: 1

      I think people view them as the toys they are. After tablets became popular and everyone realized they're not actually that useful beyond entertaining kids, I think people are more wary of the "usefulness" of technology... the Echo/etc stuff falls under this too imho... it's kind of neat but not really that useful. It's not like people couldn't play music before.

      True in a way, but what has also changed is the fact of "one computer". We are surrounded by computing devices, and they all have certain functions. It is "ubiquitous computing". And everyone can pick and choose what combination of computers suits their needs. And it gets quite subtle, actually.

      For example, I work out of the office a lot, I don't have a car, I sit on the sofa a lot at home, and I rarely go running or to a gym. I also like to read a lot online, and in books, and sometimes podcasts. So for me, a laptop for work, a phone for reading and podcasts on the bus, and no need for smartwatches. An iPad for the sofa, which overlaps with reading, but also with browsing Netflix faster than I can on the Apple TV.

      And the iPad is for me, perfect on travel and city breaks where I want to study local maps, and the photos I just took, but on something bigger than a phone, but without dragging a laptop everywhere. Whilst also being a last resort for ssh access to servers, in case of emergency.

      So I think what you are saying is more that, we are having to, as consumers, think through our choices more, as there's more things suited to different needs. And yes, Alexa is perhaps not going to fit a lot of people's needs -- I for one have no need for one, and to me is seems a crappy interface, but if I am 80 years old then maybe that will change.

      I mean there's definitely stuff which is poorly designed and just unusable in any scenario.
      There's also the problem that we are now buying maybe five gadgets and paying for all that gear.

      I'm sure people could say that phones are not real computers, yet they are the best available fit for many scenarios.

    36. Re:Maybe it's because... by preflex · · Score: 1

      The Apple Watch does appeal to a certain demographic, but there are many others who will shell out $1000 for a timepiece because it will work the same as it did when it came out of the box, 50-100 years from now. This is the market smartwatch makers need to consider going after to expand.

      How can smartwatch makers possibly hope to deliver on this? Good mechanical watches are not designed to be interactive (beyond setting the time), much less modifiable.

      A smartwatch is a general-purpose computer strapped to your wrist, and computers are expected to change. Users want to run many different programs, install new software, and change the data that it holds (like music files and whatnot). Once the user starts using it, it becomes, in many ways, a different machine than they took out of the box. Pretty much first thing a new user will do is modify it by installing additional software. That's the "smart" part.

    37. Re:Maybe it's because... by Lord+Crc · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I got a Garmin vivosmart 3, and it's just that. Unobtrusive, a week worth of battery life, shows the time/date and notifications. It supports notifications from most apps, not just calls and texts.

      Haven't had it more than a few months so can't say how durable it is, but been quite pleased with it so far. Price is also a lot more reasonable than a "proper" smart watch.

    38. Re: Maybe it's because... by Demena · · Score: 1

      Ermm, no. I wear it overnight. I put it on charge while am getting up in the morning. By the time I am dressed and I put it on it is usually at about 98% charged. If I waited until after breakfast it would always be fully charged but I don't feel the need. Over a few days it drops a bit and when I have closed my activity rings for the day I top it up to full. The battery is tiny sure enough but that means it is very fast to charge. Currently I find it eminently practical. Maybe if the battery degrades I will not find it so.

      It does not seem to use much power when I am asleep either. It seems most of the power consumption occurs when you are active. It does seem to increase the power consumption of my iPhone just a little though.

      I'm not that concerned with battery degradation though as while all my other iDevices are generations old (and working just fine) I will likely replace the watch as soon as the next model is out because of the extra sensors and software planned. Have you seen the heart trials being done in conjunction with a US educational institution with the current (series 3) sensors?

      As I said, I originally bought the watch for not very strong reasons but after using one for a few months I have found much advantage to having one. Of course many other non-Apple devices could do the same but because I already have an iPhone (6+ with no current inclination to upgrade) it is the best smartwatch for me to have. I would recommend one to any elderly person particularly as they provide a one on one person setup over the Internet (or store) as part of the purchase price.

    39. Re:Maybe it's because... by MoarSauce123 · · Score: 1

      Plus...smartwatches as well as any other mobile devices have a dismal battery life. At least one a week I pull out my (not so often) used smartphone and that damn battery is empty. Why isn't there battery tech where I need to charge it only every three months for a few hours? Or not at all? There is body heat, there is movement, the solar/light, smartphones are exposed to plenty of source of energy. At lest have it charge to full in a few minutes.

    40. Re:Maybe it's because... by MoarSauce123 · · Score: 1

      How much of a text message does a smartwatch display legibly? By design, the screens are tiny. They do have an excellent resolution and such, but they are still tiny. In order to display some decent amount of text on the display the font has to be tiny. Maybe folks with sulphur vision can read it no problem. Stock ticker? And then what? In order to make a buy or sell you have to whip out the smartphone anyway or call up your adviser. Temperature might be interesting, but it likely will not be the ambient temperature of the place you are at, but some measurement from some weather station. Doesn't help to make the point that it is too hot in the office.

    41. Re:Maybe it's because... by MoarSauce123 · · Score: 1

      Pocket watches are an excellent design from a different era. Back then the shirt sleeves were closed up tight by the cufflinks. Having a pocket watch attached to a decent chain and parked in a pocket in the vest was the way to go. That also allowed for a larger watch that could not have been strapped to the wrist. We no longer dress like this unless for very special occasions, so the wrist watch is far more practical. I can't think of a current type of clothing where a pocket watch would be suitable.

    42. Re:Maybe it's because... by MoarSauce123 · · Score: 1

      These days watches have typically two means of fastening the back plate: screws or compression. The watch repair tools are sold in a kit and are not that expensive. For the screws (typically Phillips head) you need a really small screwdriver. The compression caps have one corner with a notch, use a magnifying glass to find it. Then use a tool to pry the cap off (don't use the tiny flat screwdriver, it will ruin it). Replace battery and snap the back on. Rarely I have seen backs that screw on. There is an odd looking tool for that as well. It is a long handle with three round pegs that can be adjusted to fit the size. As far as the gasket is concerned...unless you are dependent on using the watch under water or in wet environments it is not really needed. It broke on my Casio watch and the watch worked fine for years without it. YMMV.

    43. Re:Maybe it's because... by houghi · · Score: 1

      I have a wristwatch at home. It was great in an era where I did not have any other way of knowing the time. Now? I have something that does, so no need for a useless wristwatch.
      They are sold as accessories. If you like them, great, but they are not very useful to the majority of people.
      If it where only about usefullness, people would not buy expensive watches.

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    44. Re:Maybe it's because... by rickb928 · · Score: 2

      I would rather have another HP-41C. Damn, what a machine.

      But no, current smartwatches offer no compelling feature for me. I can teach Google Now to hear me through my jacket. It can dial my mom's* number for me, open the sports radio* app I prefer, and set a timer for the steaks on the grill. When it compels my nearest Starbucks to actually make all 4 of my mobile ordered drinks within
      15 minutes of actually ordering them, I will kiss it on the lips*.

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    45. Re:Maybe it's because... by Sniper98G · · Score: 1

      The gear 3 does everything you ask for other than have a one week battery

      https://www.samsung.com/us/mob...

      they only rate it for about 3 days between charges, but have a wireless charger that you just set it down on when not in use.

    46. Re:Maybe it's because... by mikael · · Score: 2

      The first thing I look for in a digital watch is a metal wristband. A basic image search will show whole screens of smartwatches with black plastic wristbands. Search for Casio watches and they all look classy with silver or gold metal chrome. Even their calculator watches are gold, and the batteries are designed to last 10 years.

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    47. Re:Maybe it's because... by _merlin · · Score: 4, Insightful

      A wristwatch is still more practical than pulling your phone out in a lot of situations. Diving, cycling, surfing, even running. It's a lot easier and safer to glance at your wrist than to pull a phone out, and in some cases the phone wouldn't survive the activity at all.

    48. Re: Maybe it's because... by dhaen · · Score: 3, Funny

      I understand and have no reason to disbelieve all you've written, the smartwatch saved your life! However I think you'll find a better (and ancient) solution is to get a wife or husband, who will sleep with you. They're far more expensive than a smart watch but they have many additional benefits.

    49. Re: Maybe it's because... by Demena · · Score: 1

      I totally agree with you but I am old, infirm and surly. I wouldn't want anyone who would put up with me. Since I live alone as modern society dictates the better solution is not available to me.

      Thank you for your concern

    50. Re: Maybe it's because... by dhaen · · Score: 1

      It was intended as quip. I'm 2.5 out of those 3 (1:0.5:1), but we all need some humour to make life bearable.

    51. Re:Maybe it's because... by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      That is buying a common accessory for two different purposes. The former is for doing stuff on, The latter is jewelry.

      Time is free. You can get time anywhere. In my room I think my wristwatch (next to my bed) is currently the furthest of 6 ways of telling the time from me right now. Smartphones are for doing stuff, there's nothing I can do on my wrist that I can't already do on my smartphone.

      The only thing left to put on my wrist is jewelry. (Personally I like Breitling for that).

    52. Re:Maybe it's because... by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      if your that sick that you could die at any minute, I suggest you get yourself to a hospital and stay there.

      You do know a large portion of people who end up in hospital do so in the emergency ward and have neither something warning them of their impending problem nor a reason to stay after they have been treated right?

    53. Re:Maybe it's because... by MachineShedFred · · Score: 2

      How much of a text message does a smartwatch display legibly? You'd be surprised. And, it's a touchscreen that scrolls, if someone is sending you a novel of a message rather than a short message.

      Stock ticker? And then what? In order to make a buy or sell you have to whip out the smartphone anyway or call up your adviser. Unless you are monitoring because you already put in limit orders, or something else that's a little beyond a simple buy / sell.

      Temperature might be interesting, but it likely will not be the ambient temperature of the place you are at, but some measurement from some weather station. Doesn't help to make the point that it is too hot in the office. It's still nice to know the temperature outside without pulling phone out of the pocket, unlocking it, opening an app, waiting for it to load, then getting the temperature. Also, watch app for smart thermostat that does actually tell you the temperature inside, as well as allow you to adjust it.

      I'm not saying that any of that justifies the price of what is essentially a remote screen on your wrist, but basically everyone I've met that has an Apple Watch over the last few years still loves it and has absolutely no buyer remorse whatsoever. Even though that's anecdotal, it's still a bit eye opening as I thought of it as rather useless myself.

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    54. Re:Maybe it's because... by MachineShedFred · · Score: 1

      I wish I could fail to the tune of moving 14 million units in a year. And that's only from Apple - doesn't count the other players in the field.

      Seriously, what is this attitude that unless you sell 100 million, it's a failure? That's an impossible success mark for anything to hit except the Apple iPhone and maybe Samsung Galaxy S.

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    55. Re: Maybe it's because... by MachineShedFred · · Score: 1

      [Citation Needed]

      My Apple Watch series 3 (GPS only) battery lasts three days. I would like it to be longer, but this isn't the shit show generation 1 devices that couldn't even go 24 hours.

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    56. Re:Maybe it's because... by antdude · · Score: 1

      Wow, nice and impressive.

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    57. Re: Maybe it's because... by turbidostato · · Score: 1

      That only means you don't use vests. I do: great on either-chilling-or-frying aircon office environments. In fact I don't use pocketwatches and it is the smartphone which goes to the vest pocket but the argument stands.

    58. Re:Maybe it's because... by chispito · · Score: 1

      There is something timeless about a device built to precision that is nothing more than metal gears synchronized to perfection.

      I'd be wary of a timeless timepiece.

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    59. Re:Maybe it's because... by SScorpio · · Score: 1

      Must be a calculator thing. TI does the same thing with their's. Do they cost the same as they did in the 90s?

    60. Re:Maybe it's because... by Dragonslicer · · Score: 1

      Replace the battery in the old iWatch

      Is that possible?

      and it will run circles around the Rolex as long as it's functional.

      What functionality will it have left when the protocol for communication with the phone changes in a few years?

    61. Re:Maybe it's because... by Uberbah · · Score: 1

      /rollseyes

      As if there's any guarantee any watch will be working in 20 years without maintenance. Calm yourself, Sparky.

    62. Re: Maybe it's because... by ctilsie242 · · Score: 2

      Correct. However, it would be nice to have a watch that doesn't have to be charged nightly, with a nonreplacable battery that makes it essentially useless after 3-4 years. What would be nice would be a watch with OTP functionality, but could function off of a lithium battery for a few years, and the battery easily replaced (well, as easily as any other watch out there, likely needing the usual tools.)

    63. Re:Maybe it's because... by skam240 · · Score: 1

      You mean all the stuff that thing you carry everywhere in your pocket does?

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    64. Re:Maybe it's because... by nasch · · Score: 1

      Just a minor point - I can usually just press the power button on my phone and see the temperature. No need to unlock it, and certainly no need to open an app.

    65. Re:Maybe it's because... by antdude · · Score: 1

      Ditto, but still usable and reliable like my Casio Data Bank DB150 watch that I still wear and use! Smartwatches are too big, heavy, and don't last long. Also, I don't want to rely on smartphones!

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    66. Re:Maybe it's because... by jon3k · · Score: 1

      Apple watch has all of those things and I haven't charged mine since yesterday at about 2:00PM and it's still at 68% battery. So it could go three days pretty easily. Why a week? Don't you take off your watch every night when you could set it on the charger?

    67. Re:Maybe it's because... by jon3k · · Score: 1

      After tablets became popular and everyone realized they're not actually that useful beyond entertaining kids

      The only threat to tablets for general computing in the short term is large screen phones. We found out that when you have a 5.5"+ phone you can do pretty much everything you can on a 9.7" tablet.

    68. Re: Maybe it's because... by sonamchauhan · · Score: 1

      On the other hand though, I walk back my comments after seeing this post by Demena...

      https://hardware.slashdot.org/...

      "I bought mine (an Apple series 3) pretty much for retail therapy (being stupid is ok, if you are aware of and compensate for it) and there may be no killer app. But there is a lifesaving one. My watch woke me up when I was running a high fever (heartbeat too high). Doctor told me that if I had not called an ambulance when I did I would have not made it through the night. So, there may be no killer app but there is certainly one that saved my life."

      So - if an iWatch will alert you to call a doc, it can be a good thing.

    69. Re:Maybe it's because... by houstonbofh · · Score: 1

      It's still nice to know the temperature outside without pulling phone out of the pocket, unlocking it, opening an app, waiting for it to load, then getting the temperature.

      You really are doing it wrong here. I do none of those things to see the temp and a simple forecast.

    70. Re:Maybe it's because... by houstonbofh · · Score: 1

      If you are diving, you already have a much more functional "watch" on your wrist (or hanging close by).

      No. I dive with my Tag. It was kind of the point of those spinning bezels. And it is good to 300 meters. The iWatch? "Update (09/12/17): The Apple Watch Series 3 is listed as "swimproof." The fine print on apple.com notes that the Series 3 Watch is water resistant up 50 meters under ISO standard 22810:2010. This means it is safe to take your watch in swimming pools or the ocean, but it should not be used for scuba diving, water skiing, or other water activities where it may be submerged in deeper water."

    71. Re:Maybe it's because... by houstonbofh · · Score: 1

      there's nothing I can do on my wrist that I can't already do on my smartphone.

      Check your smartphone time while riding a motorcycle at 80. :) You wanted a new one anyway...

    72. Re:Maybe it's because... by houstonbofh · · Score: 1

      /rollseyes

      As if there's any guarantee any watch will be working in 20 years without maintenance. Calm yourself, Sparky.

      Well, there is the Rolex from 1966... :)

    73. Re:Maybe it's because... by houstonbofh · · Score: 1

      I have a Tag from 2001. I have a Rolex from 1966. A 4 year old iWatch is trash... Not a good investment or accessory.

      And what vintage is the hatorade? Replace the battery in the old iWatch and it will run circles around the Rolex as long as it's functional.

      And with the Rolex, you never have to replace the battery. You never have to pair it with a smart phone. You never have to worry about an EMP. :) And it is still working after 50 years...

    74. Re: Maybe it's because... by crankyspice · · Score: 1

      I use mine flying as a fuel timer. The haptic feedback can't be lost in the cockpit noise. I've also used it to time instrument approaches (VOR). I have a custom face setup that always shows "Zulu" (UTC) time digitally, local time on the simulated analog face - great for flying cross-country. I have Swiss automatics, a nice Omega and a reasonably nice Tissot, but my Apple Watch (first gen space gray aluminum with a $17 black stainless band from Amazon) is my "go to" watch ~95% of the time. Many folks I know wear Apple watches; anecdotes aren't trends, but at least in my social circles they're almost ubiquitous.

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    75. Re:Maybe it's because... by AK+Marc · · Score: 1
      Mine would sync without Internet. The app would refuse to display the sync'd data without uploading it first. Since you complained about the device going flat, I presume you could have confirmed. Force sync without Internet, then let it run flat, and then turn on Internet on the phone and open the app and see if the sync'd data was there.

      As for it running flat, it's one of the longer running watches. I've gotten a week (Sunday to Saturday) out of it.

      My biggest gripe was the lies to sell it. It listed features on the box that didn't exist. They were on the roadmap, but didn't exist when shipped, or when bought, but came months later. But did come. But that doesn't excuse the obvious fraud.

      The device uses Bluetooth, yet there is no Windows or Linux application to communicate with the device.

      https://www.microsoft.com/stor... Really? No Windows application? I think you are holding it wrong.

    76. Re:Maybe it's because... by skam240 · · Score: 1

      Do people kick down large amounts of money for famous people's old VCRs? No, they do not.

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    77. Re:Maybe it's because... by havana9 · · Score: 1

      I have a Casio calculator watch. I changed the battery, a CR3032, in 2005, changed the wristband four or five time always finding the original spare, used it in harsh conditions. Has a '90 LCD not-backlight display, half 7-segment,half dot matrix.
      Casio also made a calculator watch with an IRDA interface, the Casio BZX-20.
      I suppose that making a low power asic piloting an lcd display it's not to hard, because was already none. On the other hand if one likes to make on it the same things that are made on a device wit a huge battery chardeg daily,it could be really difficult.

    78. Re:Maybe it's because... by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      The whole thing is a confusing mess. You don't sync your fitbit with your phone. You sync it with the cloud, at the same time you sync the app with the cloud. Yes, it's stupid that you can't use the phone as a store for fitbit data. But part of their "ecosystem" with other products like scales, it requires everything to sync to the cloud.

      Your "you are holding it wrong" moment is when you thought the fitbit syncs with the phone. It does not, because they want to force you to give them all the data, and because AI in the cloud is used to give some information, like sleep details. So you can't sync to the phone and get full data.

      I have no idea on the app. The Microsoft Store claims a release date in 2012, but that seems dubious. The activity reminder were advertised on the box, but not delivered for months. And the marketing material indicated better configurability, there is none, other than on/off.

      I tried to sync without Internet, but it worked because I had been testing the Windows app, which I hadn't loaded before today. And the data was stored that path. The Android app will connect with the fitbit and show battery inside the app without Internet. That seems to be a function you desired. I don't know when it came along. I know I used to have trouble getting an accurate battery reading, but I worked on timing, not battery level, and never had a problem. I think it's the longest lasting fitness tracker with HR.

    79. Re:Maybe it's because... by MachineShedFred · · Score: 1

      You can see through your pocket? That either makes you incredibly flexible as well as a superhero, or you didn't read.

      Yes, I know you can have weather on your lock screen / notification center / home screen etc. But unless you have some kind of a harness that holds your phone in front of your face at all times with the screen on 24/7, you still have to actually lay hands on your phone.

      I twist my wrist without my hands leaving the keyboard.

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    80. Re:Maybe it's because... by rickb928 · · Score: 1

      That's a swing and a miss, but you're forgiven. I like my coffee burnt. Broaden your horizons. My 90-Two was not stirred by this.

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    81. Re:Maybe it's because... by epine · · Score: 1

      Check your smartphone time while riding a motorcycle at 80. :) You wanted a new one anyway...

      Yeah, I can legally and safely glance at my Pebble watch while driving.

      Those who don't see the advantage of a Smartwatch either don't drive, or never passed a reflective surface they couldn't improve.

      As it happens, I don't even have Bluetooth running any more, to increase my battery life. I depend on it now mainly as a pill reminder. Wrist vibration has proven itself to be the signal I'm least likely to miss. My watch only ever alerts me now for one reason: take that damn time-sensitive pill! (But I can still manage to tune it out if I'm in the middle of composing an especially long sentence.) This is also why I prize battery life over any other function (one recharge cycle per week is vaguely tolerable).

    82. Re:Maybe it's because... by pnutjam · · Score: 1

      Didn't see one this xmas at my walmart.

    83. Re:Maybe it's because... by alphaclean · · Score: 1

      Nothing wrong with the 80s style G-Shocks. They do a certain function, and do it extremely well. I've seen first-hand things that those watches have gone through and survived.

      I have a Casio purchased in '83 - '84 from Wal-Mart for $25 or so. After 10+ years with may 2 - 3 battery replacements, band came undone one day at lake and it fell into about 20 feet of water. I was tired and didn't want to put on mask and swim down to try to find it. Figured I had got my money's worth. Fast forward 9 months to March. After doing minor repair on dock cable was walking onto shore and saw something shining in shallow water. Reached down and it was the Casio covered in fine silt but still had correct time. Been there the whole time but lake level had receded. Cleaned up watch and wore it another 10 - 15 years with a few battery and band replacements till I just bought a newer version for https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

    84. Re: Maybe it's because... by Uberbah · · Score: 1

      Cute you think that the servers responsible for this information will still be up in 5-10 years for any smartwatch, let alone Captain Planned obsolescence inc.

      You can still sync first gen iPods with iTunes, which were made more than 10 years ago. WYP again, aside from hatorade?

    85. Re:Maybe it's because... by Uberbah · · Score: 1

      Is that possible?

      Yup.

      What functionality will it have left when the protocol for communication with the phone changes in a few years?

      Where's this talking point coming from? You can still sync a first gen iPod with iTunes. You can still use USB devices made at the dawn of time.

    86. Re:Maybe it's because... by RockDoctor · · Score: 1

      Search for Casio watches and they all look classy with silver or gold metal chrome.

      I can't say that I've looked - or needed to look - for something like a decade. But the Casio GW-056E on my wrist has a plastic strap - the third in it's lifetime.

      and the batteries are designed to last 10 years.

      Said watch has been on my wrist for about 9 years now (birthday present - only comes off when scuba diving, because its too fiddly to use with wetsuit gloves on) without change of batter, and should last another 30 or 40 years. There's enough solar cells on the margin of the watch face to keep it powered up, except in a long stretch of winter weather with me wearing long sleeves.

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    87. Re:Maybe it's because... by RockDoctor · · Score: 1

      If you are diving, you already have a much more functional "watch" on your wrist (or hanging close by).

      No. I dive with my Tag. It was kind of the point of those spinning bezels.

      I can't say I've ever seen (or rather, "observed") a Tag Heuer watch. But anything that is to be considered as a dive watch should have a bezel which will only spin one way (towards increased elapsed dive time). Cheap and shitty dangerous imitation "dive watches" with bezels which rotate in both directions are cheap, shitty and dangerous. If they're brought for you by a well-meaning but ignorant friend or relative, glue a thorn on the inside of the strap, to remind you to remove them as soon as possible when you've finished with sparing their feelings. Certainly, don't let them get wet while attached to yourself.

      Potentially useful for killing unwanted spouses or relatives though. Or giving them finance-destroying brain damage.

      The iWatch? "Update (09/12/17): The Apple Watch Series 3 is listed as "swimproof." The fine print on apple.com notes that [blah]"

      Either someone in apple.com doesn't believe their own specifications (perfectly plausible to me - not a fanboi), or they don't believe in Apple's ability to adhere to non-Apple specifications.

      Their waterproofing would probably be improved by being encased in 10kg of under-wetted concrete. Probably improve the appearence too.

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    88. Re:Maybe it's because... by houstonbofh · · Score: 1

      I generally do not keep my tablet in my pocket.

    89. Re:Maybe it's because... by houstonbofh · · Score: 1

      I can't say I've ever seen (or rather, "observed") a Tag Heuer watch. But anything that is to be considered as a dive watch should have a bezel which will only spin one way (towards increased elapsed dive time).

      Tag Bezel only spins one way. I have dove with it many times.

    90. Re:Maybe it's because... by RockDoctor · · Score: 1
      Fine. So Tag have divers in their design teams. Not every company selling "dive watches", and certainly not many people in watch shops, do have.

      A dive buddy years ago (I took him on his first handful of dives, and loaned him my gags for his first few cave dives) was brought a fancy watch by his parents - a Sekoia or Sekonda or something - spending the thick part of a month's income on the dangerous (bi-directional bezel) bauble. I was using a watch that had cost me about a day's income. My buddy and I went for a first-dive-after-the-winter when the water temperature got into double-digits, including playing "tag" underwater ; kelp strand under the wrist band ; "ping" ; "bye-bye, expensive bauble" ; much wailing and gnashing of teeth. Then another 3 days diving over following weekends, trying to finger-tip search the area. No joy. Since my buddy was needing his parents to stump up cash to help him and his girlfriend buy an apartment together, he decided to bite the bullet, buy a replacement of the same model watch, and keep his mouth shut.

      After that, he also got a cheap-but-effective watch to actually dive with.

      Different details, same logic : my wife brought me a diving watch some birthdays ago. Electronic, works fine, nicely geeky, fully waterproof, but too fiddly to actually use underwater. So I'm still using my far-cheaper old watch for diving, and a dive computer for secondary (plus decompression tables written on the back-side of my wrist-slate). If I break the old watch, very minor wailing and gnashing of teeth, followed by a short search for a replacement. Replacing the wife's present is not possible.

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  2. Bring back the Pebble, damnit. by damnbunni · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The Pebble hit it right - it did just enough, and the battery lasted a long time on a charge.

    None of the crap the fancier watches do is worth having to charge them so frequently.

    1. Re:Bring back the Pebble, damnit. by arth1 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The Pebble hit it right - it did just enough, and the battery lasted a long time on a charge.

      Most of us are used to watches that last years on a battery charge if they use batteries.
      And you can tell the time with a glance, without touching it. That's why wrist watches won over pocket watches, and if you can't bring that level of convenience with a new product, it won't win either.

      Once I get a clock that displays on the inside of my eyelid, I may consider getting rid of my wrist watches. But until then, that's what I'll use for the sheer convenience and dependability, neither of which Smartwatches have.

    2. Re:Bring back the Pebble, damnit. by Roger+W+Moore · · Score: 1

      The Pebble hit it right - it did just enough, and the battery lasted a long time on a charge.

      Define "a long time". My current wristwatch lasts about 5 years on a single charge. Anything much less than that and the minor convenience gain of having your mobile phone accessible via your watch is vastly outweighed by the inconvenience of having yet another device which has to be kept constantly charged.

    3. Re:Bring back the Pebble, damnit. by damnbunni · · Score: 1

      You can tell the time at a glance on a Pebble without touching it.

      In the dark, even.

    4. Re:Bring back the Pebble, damnit. by hey! · · Score: 1

      And had serious screen tearing issues. I liked mine well enough otherwise.

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    5. Re:Bring back the Pebble, damnit. by damnbunni · · Score: 1

      Did you have the black and white or the color screen model?

      I haven't noticed any screen tearing on my Time, but I don't exactly do much fast-motion on it, either, so it might be an issue and I just haven't tripped it.

    6. Re:Bring back the Pebble, damnit. by damnbunni · · Score: 2

      It's well over a week. I usually charge it after the last day of my work week and there's still 20% or so left. It charges in about an hour from a USB 2 port on my PC, faster if I use a phone charger.

      Compare to the Apple Watch, which is rated for 'All Day (18 hours)'. That's ridiculous. (And it drops to 3 hours if you're using some of the fancier features.) The Samsung Gear is 1.5 to 3 days depending on how it's set up.

      Longer battery life would be nice, but 'once a week' isn't onerous charging, to me. Daily would be freakin' annoying. I do normally take my watch off when I go to bed, but I don't want to HAVE to remember to.

    7. Re:Bring back the Pebble, damnit. by arth1 · · Score: 2

      It is nice to be able to see who is calling before getting the phone out though, so if it is not important they can go leave a message.

      Back when I was chained to a phone, I used different ring tones and vibration patterns.

      But the best thing was realizing that few calls are really important. Almost none. So the best decision I made was removing the sim card, and use the phone as an e-book reader.

    8. Re:Bring back the Pebble, damnit. by jordanjay29 · · Score: 1

      I guess you don't text?

    9. Re:Bring back the Pebble, damnit. by spire3661 · · Score: 1

      I think you mean 'I guess you dont use SMS to text'

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    10. Re:Bring back the Pebble, damnit. by Nemyst · · Score: 1

      The guys at Pebble were smart: they designed the new OS for the Time to have stylized animations that already feel somewhat like tearing (origami-like folding and various quick movements). This was done on purpose to almost entirely mask any tearing the screen may have had and it worked great.

    11. Re:Bring back the Pebble, damnit. by Uberbah · · Score: 1

      Compare to the Apple Watch, which is rated for 'All Day (18 hours)'. That's ridiculous.

      It's not. Turn it off at night and it's easy to get two days out of a single charge, frequently three.

    12. Re:Bring back the Pebble, damnit. by bdh · · Score: 1

      The Time has a different type of screen and screen driver than the original Pebble, and isn't/wasn't susceptible to screen tearing.

      My original Pebble started tearing about 16 months after I got it. Slowly, at first, and over the span of about 6 months it eventually was completely unusable. My Pebble Time is still going strong, with no issues.

    13. Re:Bring back the Pebble, damnit. by bdh · · Score: 1
      Fitbit didn't kill Pebble. One of the reasons that Pebble kept going back to Kickstarter was that their mass market sales through Best Buy did not meet their projections, and they were burning cash. Eight months before declaring insolvency and selling their assets to Fitbit (and others).

      Pebble had to lay off 20% of its' staff in March src.

      Unfortunately, they continued their downward slide, financially. The Pebble 2 was a hail Mary that didn't succeed.

    14. Re:Bring back the Pebble, damnit. by Kernel+Kurtz · · Score: 1

      I have a Pebble Steel. It is not really "smart", but it does what I need it for - basically an auxiliary display for the phone, with a few buttons for sending basic interactions. It works fine with caller ID and texts, but I really only wear it when I am golfing (rangefinder with Free Caddie) and cycling (time/speed/distance with Runkeeper), The rest of the time I wear a mechanical watch.

      That said, when my Pebble finally dies, I will be sad, because I don't see anything else out there as inexpensive and simple that I can replace it with. It sure won't be a Fitbit.

    15. Re:Bring back the Pebble, damnit. by arth1 · · Score: 1

      I guess you don't text?

      Texts are like phone calls - almost none of them are truly important and cannot wait until a person is near a stationary phone, mailbox or e-mailbox.

      The small number of texts that the sender considers critical are usually because the sender screwed up, and doesn't really care, like "I'm going to be late". Well, don't send that, because it discloses that you're incompetent and either can't plan, or can't remediate. Make sure you don't have to send that type of text in the first place. And if you have to, follow etiquette and call the stationary phone of where you're going to be late.
      Another good one is the confirmation type texts, like "We're meeting at 7, right?". If you don't take something seriously enough to know the time for sure, just don't come.

      But the worst things about text messages is that the sender expects rapid response. They should not dictate the time of the recipient. That's just plain rude and pushy.

      Trust me, cutting the cell connection was a wonderful liberating experience. People still manage to keep in touch, but if they're not willing to put in a minimum of effort, what they have to say is just not worth it.

    16. Re:Bring back the Pebble, damnit. by arth1 · · Score: 1

      My Garmin watch lasts about 2 weeks on a single charge

      That's inconvenient compared to the years of charge for normal watches.
      Again, if it's going to be less convenient than what people are accustomed to, it will always be a hard sell. If it's more convenient, it's going to be much easier to sell.

      - Wind-up watch to battery run watch you only have to change the battery on every few years: More convenient.
      - Weight driven wall clock to wall clock driven by mains or long-lived batteries: More convenient.
      - Pocket watch to wrist watch, where you didn't have to pull out the watch to look at it: More convenient.
      - Regular watch to nixie tube watches where you had to push a button to see the time: Less convenient.
      - Regular watch to smart watch that you have to take off and charge every few hours or days days: Less convenient.

      A smart device for the other arm, doing different functions than a watch does can be a good sell. But as long as people buy watches primarily to easily tell the time with as little inconvenience as possible, they're fighting an uphill battle.

    17. Re:Bring back the Pebble, damnit. by arth1 · · Score: 1

      I think you mean 'I guess you dont use SMS to text'

      Right. My phone still has the ability to text when I'm connected through wifi and choose to be connected. The point being it being an active choice, not a default one.
      No one has the right to interrupt me for communication unless I'm on paid watch. If it's not an emergency, and I haven't positively announced that I'm open for communication right now, send me an e-mail or a letter. If it is an emergency, call emergency services.

    18. Re:Bring back the Pebble, damnit. by MachineShedFred · · Score: 1

      I'm not going to pretend to speak to what you find inconvenient or not, but the inconvenience of charging a smart watch is really quite overblown, especially if it's using inductive charging. It's one of those things that people worry about until they actually go to do it, and realize it's not a thing to worry about much at all.

      Most people don't sleep with a wrist watch on, so they're taking it off every night anyway. Just take it off onto an inductive charging mat on the nightstand. Or if you are used to putting it into a watch box, get a watch box that is also a charger - that's what I did. Or a simple stand that you just drop it onto. And, my Apple Watch series 3 is only down to 75% at the end of the day anyway, so I don't even have to charge it every night like I do my phone.

      Travel might be a bit of a thing because you would need to remember to bring another cable with you unless you can induction charge your phone too, but that's why I went with a watch box charger thing - it's no bigger than a cable plus plug-in DC converter USB wall wart, and offers some protection if you aren't wearing it. It also has a 5000 mAh battery in it so I can charge the watch or my phone from it on the go.

      Keeping it charged is less work than I have to do with my Bulova automatic - I don't have to wind up and set the time on it if I go a day without wearing it. It's exactly the same as if I wear my Movado - I pick it up off the night stand and put it on my wrist. If you already wear a wrist watch, there's a good chance that charging a smart watch is exactly the same as you already do.

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    19. Re:Bring back the Pebble, damnit. by AlanBDee · · Score: 1

      Most of us are used to watches that last years on a battery charge if they use batteries.

      My 15 year old Citizen that is still accurately keeping time because it has a solar panel faceplate would like to emphasize that "if", and illustrate why it's owner has not purchased a smart watch.

    20. Re:Bring back the Pebble, damnit. by Uberbah · · Score: 1

      So you get two days charge instead of three. First world problems....

  3. Pebble died by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Fitbit crushed Pebble Smart Watch by buying them out. Since then I've seen them sell their first model in stores and never anything else. I would rather buy a watch I have to charge 2-4 times a month rather than everyday or every other day. I boycott FitBit due to crushing innovation and stepping on a pun-intended "Pebble".

    1. Re:Pebble died by bdh · · Score: 1
      Pebble was in debt, and Fitbit bought a lot of the IP and hired some of the Pebble staff. They specifically did not take the Pebble hardware. src

      I'm not arguing that it sucked, but Fitbit's not a villain, here. A lot of people think that Fitbit "killed" Pebble, and that's not so. They aren't a white knight, either; they're keeping the Pebble servers still running for the their own reasons, but they shouldn't be blamed for what they didn't.

  4. Apple Watch en route to set sales record in 2018 by JoeyRox · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Based on supplier-estimates, so perhaps not the most precise way to measure potential sales:

    https://www.phonearena.com/news/Going-strong-the-Apple-Watch-is-en-route-to-set-another-sales-record-in-2018_id100638

  5. they're backwards.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    that's why.

    put the phone in the watch.. with full-day battery life and an OPTIONAL and wireless phone-sized (or larger) tablet for secondary display... THEN you might actually sell some of these stupid things. (you read it here first, boys and girls, don't try to patent this shit)

    until then can happen (battery and processor advances needed), enjoy the minuscule market.

    1. Re: they're backwards.... by lucm · · Score: 2

      And/or because they found a way to make their customers brag buying phones with the biggest profit margin in history. They are literally proud to give their money to a company that stockpiles hundreds of billions abroad.

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    2. Re: they're backwards.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      He didn't say expensive, he said over-priced. The price/value ratio is garbage for many folks, including those with in-demand skillsets.

    3. Re: they're backwards.... by Uberbah · · Score: 1

      As much as Fanroid owners are literally proud to own phones that double as land mines, sure.

    4. Re: they're backwards.... by Uberbah · · Score: 1

      Dumbass Fandroids. Obvious Galaxy Note exploding battery reference was obvious.

  6. Re:Apple Watch en route to set sales record in 201 by houstonbofh · · Score: 1

    Well, when you double 20 people, it is a big increase... :) Seriously, their market penetration is so minuscule that it does not take much to show a lot of "improvement." But I do not see Tag, Rolex, or any other big watch maker worried.

  7. No thanks... by erp_consultant · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I've got enough distractions without another one on my wrist. One that I have to charge up every day. One that doesn't do much without the phone that it is paired with. I like watches - real watches with automatic movements. Little mechanical works of art. Not some stupid little redundant blue tooth toy.

    1. Re:No thanks... by hazardPPP · · Score: 1

      This.

      Recently I got a smart watch as a gift. Ended up being returned to the store. Since...what's the point exactly? It has to be tethered via bluetooth nonstop to my phone. So why exactly am I wearing it, if the phone always has to be nearby, in my pocket, on the table, in my backpack? I can control my phone via it...wait, why would I just not pick up the phone in my hand then? I don't need a remote control for something that's within arm's reach. With a phone app to add, just more bloatware on my smartphone, it has enough, thanks.

      The only thing that was kind of cool was the ability to change the watch face...so I can have a different watch every day, sort of. However I have to think about charging enough gadgets as is...the smart watch is not worth the hassle. The screen is too small for anything productive (who wants to read e-mail from a small watch screen?). I spend too much time looking at screens every day as is...don't need another one.

      A smart watch may be a good plot device in James Bond movie. Not really practical for most people.

    2. Re:No thanks... by erp_consultant · · Score: 1

      Well yeah, and something I neglected to mention that you alluded to is blue tooth on the phone. Whenever I turn that on it seems to drain my battery big time. So not only is the smart watch useless, the phone now has less utility because I now have to charge it more often...to connect to the watch...which gives me little to no benefit. Sure sounds like a solution looking for a problem to me.

  8. Smart wearables will never... by Bartles · · Score: 1

    ...catch on. Mostly, because you have to wear them.

  9. Not surprised. by YukariHirai · · Score: 3, Interesting

    To me, wearing a watch at all was always uncomfortable and troublesome, and barely worth the effort just for being able to have a timepiece handy. Upon getting a mobile phone which told the time, I happily gave up wearing a watch. In smartwatches, I see much the same thing as the old-fashioned kind: it's an inconvenient thing strapped to the wrist that doesn't do anything that the phone more conveniently out of the way but still easily accessible in my pocket does.

    There are arguments to be made regarding ease/convenience of contactless payment - ie not even needing to get the phone out of one's pocket, but I find that offset by needing to twist the back of the wrist around to meet the EFTPOS terminal. Something that would allow just waving the palm of the hand at the terminal would be better in that regard, but more troublesome in others - needing to wear some kind of glove with a chip located where it would be uncomfortable when doing just about anything else with one's hands. The potential answer to that might be implanting the chip, but that presents its own issues.

    And smartwatches are the most promising - or maybe least unpromising - of the bunch. Smart glasses with augmented reality functionality have a decent amount of potential, but there is a lot wrong with them from a general privacy point of view, and even the early adopting nerds and geeks aren't about to be told that we should abandon the idea of privacy, never mind society at large. Fitness tracking devices are a nice idea in theory, but so far have tended not to actually make things better. And no other form of wearable technology really has any advantage over a smartphone in your pocket.

    1. Re:Not surprised. by lucm · · Score: 1

      It wouldn't be that bad if those smartwatches were self-sufficient. But they're not. Why would anyone pay to get email notifications and a music skip button on their wrist while they need the actual device that does all the work in their pocket? I can understand the high-end sports one like Garmin which has GPS and all kind of heart monitor included. but even then it's a niche.

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    2. Re:Not surprised. by hey! · · Score: 5, Informative

      Watch geek here.

      The big problem with cheap watch comfort is the terrible bands they ship with. Upgrading the band will always fix this, unless you have something really strange going on with the watch head (e.g. like one dive watch head which, when I weighed, it tipped the scales at over 220 grams -- half a pound!).

      Cheap resin bands don't breathe and cut into your wrist, although they can be surprisingly comfortable when you use it with very, very light watch head. Classic el-cheapo Casios come to mind. If the watch weighs nothing, then it's easy to make it comfortable.

      Many people like silicone bands, and they're quite comfortable when you first put them on, but they cause skin irritation or even rashes if they aren't regularly removed and carefully cleaned. Therefore I don't recommend them.

      Metal bands vary from fiendishly uncomfortable to almost perfect. The very worst are the old school "twist-o-flex" bands -- those are almost sadistic. Otherwise, the more flexibly a metal band wraps around a tight curve the more comfortable. Some of Seiko's dive watch bands are outstanding, but probably the ultimate cheap band for comfort would be a metal mesh band.

      Nylon bands also vary from horrible to nearly perfect. Cheap nylon bands are sometimes very thin, or very stiff, and these bands can feel like they're cutting your wrist. A high quality nylon band is very comfortable. I like so-called "NATO" bands (actually more correctly called G10 bands) although they have a slight learning curve and aren't compatible with heart rate monitors. I favor an extra long NATO, which can be wrapped around the outside of a coat sleeve (or a wetsuit if you're a secret agent).

      Any watch band will be uncomfortable if it gets dirt or salt trapped under it. That probably makes a fine metal mesh band the best choice if comfort is your #1 priority. A lot of the shmutz ends up inside the mesh rather than rubbing against your skin. If you occasionaly rinse the band out you're OK.

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    3. Re:Not surprised. by aaarrrgggh · · Score: 1

      C'mon, I still miss my Suunto Stinger! It wasn't 220g since I had a G10 band, but the original metal band must have been close. If some fucker (possibly myself) hadn't cross-threaded it when changing the battery I don't know if I would have ever bought another watch.

      But functionally, unless I am diving 3-4 times a day, the Apple Watch is better.

    4. Re:Not surprised. by YukariHirai · · Score: 1

      All these details are all well and good, but ultimately don't solve the root problem for me: I just don't like having something strapped to my wrist. I've been through countless different watches with a variety of different bands, but none of them ever really felt right. If something about my occupation or hobbies made a wristwatch a necessity, I could find the least bad option and put up with it, but absent an actual need it's just jewellery. Nothing wrong with someone wearing jewellery if they want to, but I don't want to.

    5. Re:Not surprised. by Nidi62 · · Score: 1

      Best watch I own is a Kommandirski my mom picked up back in the 80s in Poland when she was visiting her sister who was working in the embassy. You have to wind it but it's light, and the face design is really cool in an 80s, Soviet-retro way.

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    6. Re:Not surprised. by hey! · · Score: 1

      If you don't have a use for watches or like them, don't wear them.

      The advent of smartphones has changed my watch preferences too. I don't care for complications like alarms or stopwatches; those things are better done on phones so I prefer watches that do fewer things well. This runs current to fashion in the low end of the market, where watches have gotten ridiculously large, heavy, and cluttered. No wonder people prefer to take their phones out of their pockets to check the time.

      I prefer watches that are small, light, and legible, with nothing on them that isn't frequently used. If I were a billionaire, I'd wear something like this. But you don't have spend that much to get something which gets things right because it doesn't do too much. The less you do, the less likely you are to get it wrong.

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    7. Re:Not surprised. by YukariHirai · · Score: 1

      If you don't have a use for watches or like them, don't wear them.

      As I said before, I don't. Haven't for close to 20 years now.

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  11. It is only going to get worse... by jrumney · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Why is the word WORSE in the headline? There is nothing worse about consumers refusing to be fooled into buying crap they do not need.

    1. Re:It is only going to get worse... by skam240 · · Score: 4, Funny

      It's to get at you personally.

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    2. Re:It is only going to get worse... by jrumney · · Score: 1

      Thanks for clearing that up, but my therapist told me your voices aren't real, and these things are not really about me personally at all.

    3. Re:It is only going to get worse... by skam240 · · Score: 2

      Yeah, sure, but what did your therapist's watch tell you?

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    4. Re:It is only going to get worse... by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      My voices told me that your therapist is really a barista in a witness protection program, so I don't know who's real.

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    5. Re:It is only going to get worse... by skam240 · · Score: 1

      Sigh....

      I didn't say I had a therapist, the above did. Decidedly not clever.

      I don't even drink coffee.

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  12. Because they SUCK as watches by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Screw charging once a day, not happening. I have a watch at least 10 years old, battery is still good.

    Get the primary function back i.e. just sits there, lets you know what time it is WITHOUT being an attention whore - adding some extra features might be attractive if they don't detract from the watch function.

  13. ...and I will tell you why by WindowsStar · · Score: 2

    I have owned 2 and here are the problems. Not in color, or it is sort of color just certain parts are. Will not track all the information you want, if you want it all you have to buy 3 different watches and wear them all, dumb just build it all into one. No way to write your own custom exercise item, (i.e. Fitbit you can only pick from 10 options, but I play many other sports and you cannot program them in) Charging make it wireless and able to charge while asleep and track your sleep (Hate taking it off once a week to charge it and lose all my sleep data for that night). Make it interface will all apps out there not just brands or a few others, all of them. Make them durable, wristband breaks, and face cracks, come on these things are 300US, make them last. Adjustable brightness, adjustable fonts, even if you don't think it needs to be that bright or that big, some people need it and they will sacrifice battery to have it. Another charging option make it charge with your motion, I play a lot of sports I would probably never have to charge it just because I move so much. Better Bluetooth interface, more options to store and play back music. Much better interface to your phone. That is just the top few, but you get the idea. I was hopeful after 3 years (then I bought my first one) they would advance greatly in that time, but to this day they just don't work very well. -WS

  14. Re:Apple Watch en route to set sales record in 201 by skam240 · · Score: 1

    If Apple ever make's their watches not look like cheap plastic garbage then maybe the big time piece makers will have a bit to worry over.

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  15. How to build a Smartwatch worth having by gurps_npc · · Score: 1

    1) Have it BE the smartphone. No linking needed, it's just a smart phone designed to be worn, with a small screen and better voice recognition.

    2) Have it do essential body measurements. Make one that accurately measures blood sugar and all the diabetics will come to you. Same for any other medical information that people check at least 1/day. If it can detect calorie consumption, that would be a huge dieting aid - my watch says to stop eating now.

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    1. Re:How to build a Smartwatch worth having by ELCouz · · Score: 1

      2) Have it do essential body measurements. Make one that accurately measures blood sugar and all the diabetics will come to you. Same for any other medical information that people check at least 1/day.

      No way this will work...not for smartwatches! As soon as you say medical it's dead already...do you know how long it need to take the certification for FDA? By the time it's ready for launch the model will be 5 years late!

      A company could make the medical device ANT(+) compatible that report the the smartwatch. This way they could keep on the release without worrying about the FDA long process.

    2. Re:How to build a Smartwatch worth having by gurps_npc · · Score: 1

      Doesn't need FDA approval to have the medical functions, it only needs FDA approval to declare it a medical device.

      Similarly, watches don't need to be COSC certified to be a swiss watch.

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  16. "Worse"? For whom? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    > People Still Aren't Buying Smartwatches -- and It's Only Going To Get Worse

    "Worse" only if you're trying to sell them. They're a solution in search of a problem that doesn't exist, the sooner they disappear the better.

  17. Man, I'm in the wrong industry! by 50000BTU_barbecue · · Score: 2

    Working on Ka-band amplifiers... what a waste of my time. I should be working on networked AI smart underwear, with 3D printed reinforced gussets and IoT connectivity to the cloud, and automatic Facebook updates and VR glasses.

    FUND ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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    1. Re:Man, I'm in the wrong industry! by Crashmarik · · Score: 3, Funny

      You and your KA band. HF is enough for for anyone.

    2. Re:Man, I'm in the wrong industry! by RightwingNutjob · · Score: 3, Funny

      Networked underwear? Like a toaster that emails me when my toast is done? That's silly. Why would I want my underwear emailing me when the toast is done?

    3. Re:Man, I'm in the wrong industry! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I think you'll need to market this to the elderly...

    4. Re:Man, I'm in the wrong industry! by RightwingNutjob · · Score: 1

      But what does that have to do with toast?

  18. Re:Apple Watch en route to set sales record in 201 by houstonbofh · · Score: 1

    Yeah. Try getting out of your parents' basement sometime. Out here in the real world, I'd estimate that at least 50% of my coworkers have Apple Watches. Probably 75% of my friends have them. (Just to be charitable, I'm leaving out the ones who actually work for Apple.) And if you go out and about in the city (shopping, dining, socializing, etc.) it's not at all uncommon for cashiers, baristas, waiters, and bartenders to have them.

    Yes, waiters and baristas are the fashion trend-setters. Those guys with the Rolex and a BMW are just wannabes.

  19. Radio-isotope thermal generator... by b0s0z0ku · · Score: 2

    I need a smartwatch with a lead case that will last 20 years on a single charge of Pu-238 ... a radio-isotope generator would not require me to charge it once or twice a day.

    1. Re:Radio-isotope thermal generator... by Nutria · · Score: 1

      Lead shielding is for pussies.

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  20. I'll buy my next smart watch when someone makes it by Link310 · · Score: 1

    I kickstarted the Pebble (grey). It wasn't bad at all, though getting it took a while. AndroidWear looked awesome to me. I ordered a Moto 360 the day they became available to order, and then I wore it until its battery gave out nearly two years later. At that point, I was all set to order a 3rd generation Moto 360, but Motorola cancelled it. I was eager for what became the LG Watch Sport when it was a rumored Google release, but the thing was huge. Every so often I look at what is available, but nothing calls to me like the Moto 360 did.

    Meanwhile, my first smartwatch, an old Ironman Datalink, keeps chugging along.

  21. Screen is just too small by techdolphin · · Score: 1

    The trouble with smartwatches is the screen size makes them dumb. The screen size is too small for any serious reading or typing. The only way I could effectively use a watch is if you had a holographic projection that made the screen larger and could project a larger keyboard that could detect my finger movements. I have enough trouble typing on a smartphone and use a computer for any major typing.

    There is a reason smartphone screens have been trending larger. They are easier to use

  22. Nobody want some beanie babies? by plopez · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Cabbage patch kids? Hulu hoops? Lava lamps? Tamagotchis? Smart watches? Anyone?

    In other words, fads come and go.

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  23. It's only growing, not growing fast enough... by Kjella · · Score: 4, Interesting

    It's only growing, not growing fast enough... welcome to the new fail. Also iWatch sales are actually up 50% YoY. The convenience of not fishing the phone out of your pocket was always going to be slim. Not everyone wants any watch on their wrist, much less tech bling. Oh and the iWatch 3 comes in a cellular version you can use without the phone, at the cost of battery life. The whole article reads like "they'll never be able to put a useful computer in a watch form factor". Well that's what they said about PCs. And laptops. And phones. I'm not sure saying it about watches is a good bet...

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  24. I can't wear a watch: carpel tunnel syndrome by ebrandsberg · · Score: 1

    No matter what the technology can do, I can't wear a watch. Why? It triggers carpal tunnel syndrome. The pressure of even a leather watch strap is enough to cause issues. I suspect many other people have had this issue as well, but there is very little documentation of such issues in the health community.

  25. I'm not interested in losing privacy & freedom by jbn-o · · Score: 1, Insightful

    I'm not interested in a computer that runs on nonfree software, is network-capable, and running code I'm not allowed to fully understand, fix, alter, run only when I want, or share with others (in short, software freedom). I see no reason to trust the manufacturers, the proprietary software developers, or the distributors with my privacy and I see nothing in the ads for any of the devices to convince me otherwise (something I believe to be their job if they want me to buy their product).

    I might find it convenient to have access to the information such a device can grant, but not at the cost of my privacy or my software freedom. I also don't have a problem with paying for respect for my privacy and my software freedom. But so long as that's not an option, there's simply nothing for me to consider. The high price and other technical shortcomings (small screen, hard-to-use touchscreen controls, etc.) are relatively minor details; issues that I can address myself with software freedom.

  26. Battery life is another issue by hcs_$reboot · · Score: 1

    The problem, for me at least, is the battery life. The thing has to get a charge on a daily basis. The Apple watch and other watches offer nice features, but having to charge it every day (a recent iPhone needs only a charge every 3-4 days) is a concern.

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  27. Smart Watches were Obsolete before they were inven by LeftCoastThinker · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Two fundamental problems with smart watches:

    My smart phone that is always in my pocket does far more and is less likely to get damaged.

    My dumb digital watch with an electrolumenescent back-light still does what I expect a watch to do, it does it for $35 dollars, it's permanently water proof for showers and pool swimming, it lasts 6 years on a single battery and I can't figure out why I would want to replace it.

    The screen of a smart watch is too small to do jack on and other than maybe buying a fitness tracker, I can't fathom screwing around with watch apps when my nice big phone is right in my pocket. The smart watch is a hangover from the Dick Tracey days of the radio watch fantasy, the problem is we already have better tech than was imagined in the Star Trek communicators, so we kind of leap frogged the whole Dick Tracey watch thing both functionally and practically. Now smart watches are relegated to to the nerd toy aisle unless and until they can be more practical than a real watch with some actually valuable, unique functions.

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  28. Are we sure? by Orgasmatron · · Score: 1

    Are we sure that "tech enthusiasts" is the right word for someone bringing a spy device into their home? In my mind, the only people with "smart" speakers in their homes that can reasonably be called enthusiasts are the guys who build their own and leave out the "report all of my conversations to Google or Amazon" feature. Or, you know, the guys who have been running Mister House (which does all the same stuff) since the 1990s.

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  29. I guess I stand alone... by lord_mike · · Score: 1

    I love the smartwatches I've had and think they are about the greatest things on earth. I love having quick notifications that I can feel on my wrist vibrating. I like being able to quickly get all the stats I want to see like weather, time, and steps without having to pull my phone out. I even like the speakerphone on my Android Wear watch. There seems to be significant public resistance to even the concept of wearing a wristwatch, much less one that can offer some utility. It goes beyond the, "Meh, I'm not interested," and is more like, "Not only am I not interested, but I can't understand why anyone would be interested. It's a social menace! It should be outlawed! Smartwach users should be thrown in jail!" I simply cannot understand the extreme hostility. For me, the smartwatch has been a godsend. Can I live without one? Yes, but it's worth the extra value that I get having one.

    Cost is an issue. Most smartwatches today are extremely expensive, which is probably the main reason why people aren't getting them. Drop them to under $100 and there would be much more interest. Once people have used a smartwatch, they realize all the things they can do with them and how useful they really are. I've never known anyone to abandon their smartwatch once they've tried it. Even the skeptics seem to be impressed. Battery life is also an issue, of course. Too much focus on making a pretty OLED screen instead of a less power hungry transflective LCD one.

    Pebble got both the price point and battery life right on their watches. Unfortunately, mismanagement did them in. Meanwhile, I see so many people with Apple Watches, which means that it can't be all bad. There are a lot of smartwatch enthusiasts out there, but they are a relatively small niche at the moment. It's just hard to get over the, "What do I need a watch for?" resistance that is incredibly intense for some reason. Apple has been quite successful in busting through. It's really time for Google to step up their game. At least Samsung is trying. At some point, someone will figure out a way to break through the doubters and make people want to try something that really can be something worthwhile if they try it.

  30. Contortions by mentil · · Score: 1

    It's amusing watching people contort their wrists attempting to touch their Apple Watch to a PIN-pad to use Apple Pay. It looks painful enough I can't see how that'd be 'more convenient'.
    The screen is so tiny that trying to use its touch interface is a drag. It's useful if you get regular notifications you don't often need to respond to (say, if you're a day-trader), otherwise you might as well just pull out the phone (perhaps setting personalized ringtones).

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  31. Re:Apple Watch en route to set sales record in 201 by aaarrrgggh · · Score: 1

    There are people that need $20,000 on their wrist, and there are people that focus on effective solutions. I knew one billionaire that wore a g-shock for that reason; I imagine he is working hard to resist the Apple Watch today, if he has not already succumbed.

  32. The title is misleading... by lord_mike · · Score: 1

    It says that only growth has slowed, but 20% of people use some sort of smartwatch. While that's a lot less than the 77% of people who use smartphones, 20% is still a pretty large chunk of people. There are a ton of products that never even come close to reaching that kind of market saturation, and yet no one labels them "failures". The bar is set ridiculously high for what it considered to be a success for smartwatches versus almost everything else in them marketplace.

  33. Re:Apple Watch en route to set sales record in 201 by gravewax · · Score: 1

    I am guessing you actually work somewhere with apple or around a large apple area. I work in IT and I know of precisely 1 person in or out of IT with an apple watch and that includes many who I know are apple fans, the one that has one only has it as it was gifted to him by apple as they were trying to convince the CTO to purchase more apple products.

  34. Failing? Just you wait! by muecksteiner · · Score: 1

    Give these things time. Once they have the whole "continuous medical data recording" thing sorted out (heart rate, blood sugar, if we are talking luxury, even blood pressure, perhaps?), people will wear them constantly. They are not that good at these things yet, though, so adoption is naturally a bit slower than you might expect.

    Your smartphone is for connectivity, but your smartwatch is for your health. And it can of course give you weather reports, too, and tell you if someone texted you - but these are side effects. Keeping tabs on your metabolic parameters is the #1 reason to wear something close to your body like that.

    1. Re:Failing? Just you wait! by Camembert · · Score: 1

      I agree that health monitoring will be the “killer app” for smartwatches. It is well known that Apple hired people with phds on non-invasive sensors. That could be big, and not only for people with diabetes.

  35. Tamagotchi for adults by Begemot · · Score: 1

    You need to feed it and it constantly distracts you. Grow up.

  36. Re:Apple Watch en route to set sales record in 201 by Uberbah · · Score: 1

    When you have to compare a product revenue to a company that specialises like that you are in deep shit!

    Not when high-margin products are where the money is at. Same reason Apple makes most of the money on smartphones despite having a fraction of Android's marketshare. And if your business had the choice between making the most money and selling the largest number of units...which would you choose?

  37. I don't want a tricorder on my wrist! by Botnet-of-People · · Score: 1

    I think manufacturers should differentiate between two categories, the true smartwatch that might eventually morph into a Dick Tracy smartphone and the more focused physical activity tracker. I have the latter, which I pair with my cellphone. It has an almost Unix-like austerity to it, practically just a portable pedometer and fairly accurate heart rate monitor. I don't need all the bells and whistle of a tricorder wannabe on my wrist. Fitness trackers could very well be the dumb phones of the smartwatch market.

  38. Re:Apple Watch en route to set sales record in 201 by Camembert · · Score: 1

    Actually, Rolex sells 800.000 to 1.000.000 watches per year. Not very very low volumes, in fact one of the biggest selling brands despite the price. Not sure how much the average price of the Rolexes in the market is. 7000 usd perhaps, because I expect that the less expensive ones sell more. And the average apple watch price - perhaps 400 usd because I mainly see the sport models. Since Apple Watch has surpassed rolex in value, that would mean that they sell more than around 18 million pieces per year. Not bad at all.

  39. It is actually easy Re:Contortions by Camembert · · Score: 1

    You can just doubleclick the button below the crown on the apple watch to trigger Apple Pay. Authentication happened earlier when you put it on and is canceled when you take it off. I use it quite often.

    1. Re:It is actually easy Re:Contortions by mentil · · Score: 1

      However, the watch's NFC antenna still has to be held physically close to the PIN-pad.

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  40. Anecdata by trawg · · Score: 1

    We had our Christmas lunch yesterday with about 20 family members. Four people had Apple watches and I have a Fitbit Ionic (which is mostly a fitness tracker with some smart watch features).

    I think it will be a slow burn, but totally anecdotally I feel like I'm seeing more and more smart watches. At least 3 colleagues have them as well (all Android ones).

      I'm surprised by how much value I get out of even the half assed smart watch features of my thing. Apple watch seems way better.

  41. It's because it went mass-market to fast by Casandro · · Score: 1

    The Smartwatch market essentially is as dead as the smartphone market. Everyone is building more or less exactly the same device. The mass market hates innovation because it means risks.

    Meanwhile there's some actual innovation in the field of home made smart watches. For example Travid Goodspeed's "GoodWatch"
    https://github.com/travisgoods...
    It runs for years with a single battery and has way better functionality than any commercial smartwatch. You even have a keyboard.

  42. For me as a watch nerd: AND, not OR by Camembert · · Score: 1

    So I am quite interested in mainly mechanical watches. As an engineer, isn’t it wonderful how a watch without electronics can be accurate to a few seconds per day? I still find it marvelous. I have a small collection with both vintage ones and modern ones - a recent arrival is the Hemel HFT20 with a mechanical chrono, a kind of homage to the pilot chronos of the 1970s and 70s.
    Regarding quartz, I also occasionally enjoy a GShock Mudmaster because it is such a beast.
    Anyway, the above as a preamble. Two years ago my wife gave me the Apple Watch series 0 and it surprises me how much I like it. It is the stainless one, looks better on a suit.
    First impression from a watch nerd pov, the straps are excellent, the simple mechanism tonchange them and the general feel of them is superb. If someone can point me to a traditional nato strap of the same material as the Apple nylon straps, please say so.
    Second, it is simply a very accurate watch to start with, even if it doesn t connect to your phone it will actually stay more accurate than a standard quartz watch thanks to a thermocompensated module. Have a look in a shop window, in the afternoon you will see 2 seconds difference between the slowest and quickest g shock with radio syncing (this happena at night normally) while a table with apple watches runs perfectly in sync. That is cool engineering.
    Now the apps. The device is good for drawing your attention, not for interacting deeply. I like: general discreet notifications with a tap signal, set up for my close friends and family only. The calendar, the weather, the activity monitor, the iphone camera remote. I don’t use many 3rd party apps though the ebay reminder can be useful.
    Has it displaced my beloved mechanicals? No, but I enjoy it and wear statistically most often (the first world problem of any watch nerd is to decide which watch to wear that day), in fact some weeks I only wear it.

  43. Re:Apple Watch en route to set sales record in 201 by jawtheshark · · Score: 1

    That would be my guess too. I know exactly two people having an Apple Watch. My sister, who would never have bought it, but got it as a present two years ago (or was it a year?). The second one is an Apple fan at work.

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  44. The only way smartwatches can succeed by Dirk+Becher · · Score: 1

    is if they replenish powers while you carry them around in your rectum.

  45. Re:Apple Watch en route to set sales record in 201 by jabuzz · · Score: 1

    True but part of the issue is that repeat customers for a Rolex or similar watch are low. My Seiko Kinetic is 17 years old and I have no plans on replacing anytime soon. Admittedly it needed a new capacitor this year and it's had several straps over the years (I can't stand metal straps so it's leather and they wear out), and unless it gets destroyed in an accident I don't expect to replace it in the next decade either. I would imagine the same is true of similar higher end watches. Personally I would never own a Rolex or other mechanical watch because I like the precision of quartz, so it's a Kinetic or an Eco-Drive watch for me.

    Anyway with low repeat business the sale numbers make more sense. On the other hand a smart watch is likely to be useless lump in five years or less so much more repeat business, and starting with next to no market saturation to being with you are likely to have higher sales numbers.

    So in there is probably orders of magnitude more ordinary watches in daily use than smart watches and it's likely to stay that way for many years to come.

  46. Like someone said: by jf_moreira · · Score: 1

    "Upon getting a mobile phone which told the time, I happily gave up wearing a watch." And since, I have been like that. Watches are cumbersome. There are people that wear them for the fashionable content, which does not attract me so there is no reason for wearing a watch, imagine paying big bucks for a thing that goes on your wrist and just doubles what you already have in your phone. Silly. As for wearables, I don't see yet any real advantages or practical things build or created. I say that without even touching the price subject. Would never pay big bucks for something tech. I never buy cell phones over R$ 1000,00 too (some U$ 300,00). So, we already got enough tech to fuc.k our brains up. No more needed.

    1. Re:Like someone said: by Baron_Yam · · Score: 1

      When they can put an AR display into glasses that don't look significantly different from my normal glasses, that will be when I next change my computer interface.

      For now, it's trivial to pull a phone from a belt holster, and the greater convenience of looking at my wrist at the cost of an extra piece of (less functional) equipment isn't worth it.

  47. Re:Battery life. by MoarSauce123 · · Score: 1

    Although Casio makes it rather unpleasant to swap out batteries. I had a Waveceptor for years. Loved the watch. First time I surprised the guy at the jewelry store and got it replaced for 15$ which he waved after I had to get the correct battery from the nearby RadioShack. Next time around (which wasn't nearly as long as I expected) the guy asked 40$ for the job. I bought watch repair tools and did it myself...and oh boy, it surely would have been worth the 40$. Battery replacement was easy, getting all the buttons to line up right was a major challenge. I got three of them to work. Next time around I was out of luck and gave up after several hour long tries. Went back to the mechanical automatic watch from my grandfather. It winds itself up through the natural wrist movement and only stops when it isn't worn for a few days.

  48. Smart watches + / - by spinitch · · Score: 1

    Not everyone needs or desires like me with one of those voice interactive speaker do dads. + HRM stand alone & BT chest strap for jogging + BT remote screen for including myself in pics + hands full can see text or voice calls vs digging large smart phone out of pocket or bag. Quick text response. + while jogging can see extreme weather alerts including tsunamis. I jog on grass sport fields in flood plain. Lightning more common. Fiddle with flash cards for drilling new terms. Once in a while helps find my phone at home hidden under something. - battery requires discipline to power down when not using and to charge in advance. - heavier than regular watch which I rarely wore coz it too was more bulk on wrist that usually did not need. Garmin nicer than Apple for exercise but not significantly and Apple has other nice features since only jog a few hours a week. Think about your life and if convenience worth the investment. Have an original Apple Watch works fine for 2 going on 3 rd year. Estimate About $100 / year. I can rationalize $10/month of convenience received. Still using iPhone 6S+. - another modest asset might lose or break.

  49. Wearables? by nospam007 · · Score: 1

    Can't be. I saw tons of ugly Christmas sweaters with LED-lit Christmas trees on them yesterday.

  50. Mi Band 2 by HalAtWork · · Score: 1

    I like my Mi Band 2 because it allows me to set my phone aside and get only important notifications from my family (through the Mi Band Tools app where I can filter them).

    Restricting my impulse to look at crap on my phone or browse the internet at all is important to me, I have to undo all of that bad training and this helps. It cost less than $40, battery lasts a month, and it helps me count steps and monitor heart rate when I exercise.

    I hated watches before because I didn't want to always know what time it was (anxiety), and hated having anything on my wrist besides. But the advantages here have me wearing something again, and the on-demand screen is unobtrusive and I only see information when I want to.

  51. exciting new smartwatches by trb · · Score: 1

    "Despite a year full of exciting new smartwatches..."

    First sentence. That's where you lost me.

  52. You DON'T have to pay big bucks for a smartwatch by Cute+Fuzzy+Bunny · · Score: 1

    And they are handy.

    A couple of years ago I picked up a 'refurbished' Samsung Gear Live for $79 on ebay. Bestbuy had taken them in as returns and their elite geek squad refurbishers flashed it with the wrong rom. It worked but wouldn't update android wear. So those were sold and most came back again and they dumped them on ebay wholesalers. All it needed was to be hooked up to the pc with adb and flashed with the right rom.

    Having gotten a perfectly well working watch for 1/5 the original list price, I put it to work.

    It replaced my fitbit with android fit, told me the time, weather, charge state of itself and my phone, all my notifications came up on it, if I was in the car and the phone rang I could answer it, and with 'ok google' I could trigger my phone to do a lot without picking it up. Lastly, wink ran on it so I could open/close/lock my front door and garage door.

    Fast forward to this year. Verizon abandoned their $400 wear24 smart watch after just a few months and they've been on ebay for $75-80 for months. Running android wear 2.0, with internal LTE and GPS, more ram than most smart watches and included wireless charging dock it was a steal. Took me 20 minutes to get it doing everything my old smart watch did. I can also run google maps with navigation on it and it vibrates and announces the turn by turn with a mini map on my wrist.

    I can also activate it on verizon for 5-10 bucks and use it as a standalone phone, although the little speaker on it sucks for phone calls. It has NFC but verizon only allows it to work with verizon pay. Morons.

    It won't get any more updates but my gear live was stuck on android wear 1.3 and still does everything fine. In 2 years I'll replace the Wear24 with someone elses deeply discounted mistake where the issue doesn't really impact me.

  53. IT'S ONLY GETTING WORSE? by Neuroelectronic · · Score: 2

    Only in this backwards, investor-focused fantasy is not buying a product that never existed before and that nobody wants an issue. I'm sure it won't be in the long term, where new consumers can be programmed to think that redundant, risky device is desirable. Digital economy is so used to growth that they've pretty much given up on R&D, view it as a sunk cost or reassign implementation as R&D in their books to make their company look innovative, and think that just releasing a minimum viable product is all that is required.

    You can see it very clearly in the iPhone X. $1000 phone who's major defining feature is it's price. It's no longer necessary to come up with something new and useful, just slap on some miniaturized tech, poop out a tech demo and then integrate it into the base proprietary product so that it magically becomes necessary.

    Two things are going to happen in the near to mid future, some consumers are going to be dependent on this artificial mill wheel of "technology innovation" and others are going to abandon it for actual utility by using much more capable free and open hardware and software, out of necessity to compete with the pyramid-scheme style technology silos.

  54. Re:Apple Watch en route to set sales record in 201 by Camembert · · Score: 1

    Rolex doesn't publish production but usefully, they get their movements COSC certified, and in 2011 there were 751,285 COSC movements. Currently it is expected that they sell between 800k and 1M.
    Considering the price of even an "entry level" Oyster Perpetual, I find it amazing that they can sell so many. But then they enjoy a very strong brand perception. Buying a Rolex is for many still a sign of "I made it".

  55. Too expensive by p51d007 · · Score: 1

    I've worn a watch, since a teenager in the 70's. Feel's funny to NOT wear one. But, smartwatches, are TOO expensive, and their battery life it too short. I carry my phone with me, strapped to a belt clip. If I need anything more than the time, day/date or stopwatch, I just grab my smartphone. When a call comes in, if I am out and about, I either have it on my car, which displays who's calling, or the BT headset, which speaks to me saying who's calling. I have an inexpensive Casio Illuminator (big dial & numbers), battery lasts for YEARS, not HOURS. Less than $50.00, rugged, dependable.

  56. For me, it's easy. by Sique · · Score: 2
    I don't wear wristband watches. And thus I don't buy smartwatches either.

    I stopped wearing wristband watches about 15 years ago, because I could always tell the time from my mobile phone or from any of the hundreds and thousands of timepieces everywhere.

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  57. need smarts in the smartwatch by ohgary · · Score: 1

    Received a nice smart watch for Christmas, Cant say I had to have it, It was a nice gift and I had been looking at getting one myself if Santa had not brought me one. I knew going in that they are not "magical watches to solve all my issue. There is still no KILLER app that makes a smart watch a must have item. It can tell time, so that's nice, My last stupid watch died and had gone for a while without a watch so having time on my arm will be nice again. The big advantage I see is being able to quickly see txt message and answer or most likely reject a phone call from my arm. NO reaching into my pocket to see who calling/txting me. less meeting interruptions. We shall see what else I can make it do.

  58. I like wearable tech, but... by Chameleon+Man · · Score: 2

    I realize most people on Slashdot are old fogies who don't like new things, so it's expected that many here just won't understand the advantages of having a smart watch. For me, I loved having it...BUT, I sold out of the whole tech. Android Wear is extremely useful, especially for someone who works out, but it was clear by the battery life (most of which having only 1.5 days...2 days at the very best for a new device) that manufacturers wanted your watch to be unusable within a couple years. Fuck that. I'm not about to invest in "optional" tech that the company wants to milk you for. It's a convenience, but not one I'm willing to get slapped around for. When they start making them with more current processors and battery life that goes for a week, I might consider having one again, but until then they can stuff it. A shame when innovation is stifled by corporate greed.

  59. Re:Apple Watch en route to set sales record in 201 by houstonbofh · · Score: 1

    Their market penetration is not miniscule. They are already outselling all the other watchmakers, Rolex included.

    No one owns the watch market. Compare it to their phone penetration...

  60. Re:Apple Watch en route to set sales record in 201 by SvnLyrBrto · · Score: 1

    Nope. I don't work with or for Apple. And I'm a good hour or so (In good traffic, longer when 280 turns to crap.) away from Cupertino. I just have normal friends and a normal job in sys/dev/cloud/whateverOps, and live a pretty normal life.

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  61. Neither waterproof nor sweat proof.... by MercTech · · Score: 1

    Until they actually make wearable tech that is actually waterproof; it isn't usable really. When you can wear one exercising and void the warrantee because water got in... worthless.

    Anyway, for me they are totally missing the mark. I don't give a flying flip how many steps I've walked. I'm an old fart that wants my smart watch to automatically check BP and heart rate and buzz like hell if it gets outside the parameters I set. Vibrating on the wrist when a phone call comes in is good. Displaying caller ID is good. But I have too bloody much stuff trying to talk to me already. .. curmudgeonly snort!

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  62. Re:Apple Watch en route to set sales record in 201 by houstonbofh · · Score: 1

    I said they had small penetration. AC said, they have more then anybody else. I responded that was because NO ONE had large penetration, unlike, for example, in phones. See the logic now?