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Ask Slashdot: How Would You Explain Einstein's Theories To a Nine-Year-Old?

SiggyRadiation writes: A few days ago, my 9-year-old son asked me why Albert Einstein was so famous. I decided not just to start with the famous formula E=mc^2, because that just seemed to be the easy way out. So I tried to explain what mass and energy are. Then I asked him to try to explain gravity to me. The earth pulls at you because it has a lot of mass. But how can the earth influence your body, pull your feet to the ground, without actually touching you? Why is it that one thing (the earth) can influence something else (you) without actually being connected? Isn't that weird? Einstein figured out how energy, mass and gravity work and are related to each other. This is where our conversation ended.

Afterwards I thought: this might be a nice question to ask on Slashdot; how would I continue this discussion to explain it to him further? Of course, with the goal of further feeding his interest in physics.

293 comments

  1. I Wouldn't. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    next.

    1. Re:I Wouldn't. by Mr+D+from+63 · · Score: 2

      Relativity might be a better place to start, or just tell the kid humanity is destined to be crushed in a black hole if it is lucky to survive that long.

    2. Re:I Wouldn't. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Funny

      I Wouldn't.

      Exactly.

      If it was possible to explain Einstein's theory of relativity to a nine year old it would mean that Einstein was only as smart as a nine year old, which, obviously is not correct.

    3. Re:I Wouldn't. by Stephan+Schulz · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Exactly.

      If it was possible to explain Einstein's theory of relativity to a nine year old it would mean that Einstein was only as smart as a nine year old, which, obviously is not correct.

      But your argument is just as incorrect. The complexity of relativity gives us a lower bound for Einstein's smartiness, not an upper one. And quite often, as we understand things better, they do actually become simpler - the move from Aristotle to Kepler and Newton made the solar system a lot simpler.

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    4. Re: I Wouldn't. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Interesting

      Seconded, you don't need to. Why on earth would you think you do?

    5. Re:I Wouldn't. by 0100010001010011 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      They don't need the math, just the high level concept. Just like we do with every thing else you teach them.

      Use a trampoline. Roll balls around each other and each other.

    6. Re:I Wouldn't. by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 4, Informative

      Relativity, spacetime curvature, and mass-energy equivalence are not beyond a nine year old's ability to understand. They aren't going to be able to understand all the formulas, but they can get the gist of the concepts.

      If you don't want to explain it to your kid, there are plenty of great Youtube videos you can point to that explain all this stuff really well in kid friendly terms.

      Youtube and Wikipedia have made parenting much easier.

    7. Re:I Wouldn't. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why not explain to a 1 year old then? Oh wait.

    8. Re:I Wouldn't. by viperidaenz · · Score: 0

      They will probably have a very hard time understanding the magnitude of the numbers involved.
      Even adults do.

    9. Re:I Wouldn't. by VernonNemitz · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Einstein is famous for more than just Relativity stuff. He got a Nobel Prize for some work in Quantum Mechanics (explained the photo-electric effect). He may also be famous for popularizing the use of "thought experiments" in physics --he's certainly famous for thinking of some very insightful thought-experiments, that guided his mathematical efforts. And he is certainly famous for promoting the notion that all aspects of the physical universe can be described by a few fundamental equations (even though the notion is still waiting to be proved true).

    10. Re:I Wouldn't. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That concept doesn't hold up under even simple scrutiny for a second...its easy to teach a child how to ride a bike & show them why we can, its nearly impossible to describe to a child the engineering or do the math to 'prove' the concept.

      And let's be clear, there are 2 'theories of Relativity', General & Special Relativity. The first needs only that you accept that 'space is curved by a mass' (actually space-time...but a child probably won't 'get' that concept) & that the 'speed of light is a constant'. The former is very easy to demonstrate using a large rubber sheet or Jello, a reasonably sized ball to represent the earth & marbles, shoot/throw the marbles at the ball...show how the path curves & eventually 'falls in' to the earth & stays there (the reason we remain on the earth is because we are moving at the same speed...unless you have a rocket that can shoot something fast enough to get out of the 'cavity''/well). Special relativity is reasonably easy to explain but much harder to do 'kid friendly' experiments...

      Now, all the math needed to calculate the path of the marbles or how mass & energy are equivalent is too complicated to show a 9 year old. Effectively the observations that 'there is no gravity rather its curvature of space-time' and 'the speed of light is a constant' were 'guesses' that Einstein made & then followed his nose through the math assuming they were true. Others did experiments to 'prove' he was correct & at that point everyone else can say 'well shit, those were so obvious a 9 year old could see that'....Einstein wasn't necessarily 'smarter' than everyone else, in fact Neils Bohr & others of his time may have been said to be 'smarter'...Einstein was more 'bold', 'brave', 'not tied to assumptions' and asked questions about reality that no one else 'dared' ask...he was also smart. :-)...at least 'smart' enough to be able to 'do the math'.

    11. Re:I Wouldn't. by squiggleslash · · Score: 1

      That doesn't make sense. That's like saying Donald Knuth is as stupid as I am because I can understand quite a few things he's famous for. Or it's like saying Roald Dahl is a terrible writer because 6 year olds understand his novels.

      Einstein pulled a lot of information and theories together to form insights into the workings of the universe that a 9 year old (probably) couldn't do. But that doesn't mean those insights can't be explained.

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    12. Re:I Wouldn't. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Solly Charlee .. the "gist" of science concepts **IS** the interwoven maths details. If 9-yo could understand relativity then the industrial revolution would have occurred 600-BC !

    13. Re:I Wouldn't. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yep ... can't really explain them; gotta do them! Pad're, after Einsteins 15-golden-years it took the smartest 10,000 people on the planet 100 years to grok the predictions implicit in that science .

    14. Re:I Wouldn't. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Next subject:

      How to explain SEX PRACTICE to a nine year old who ask: should 69 be made before or after the doggystyle ?!

    15. Re:I Wouldn't. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You goobers are making this too hard.

      Place Bowling ball on trampoline, point out how it curves "space."
      Drop tennis ball on trampoline, point out how it rolls towards "earth."

      Or find one of the twenty documentaries on Curiosity Stream with the fancy CGI, and show him that.

    16. Re:I Wouldn't. by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 3, Interesting

      They will probably have a very hard time understanding the magnitude of the numbers involved.

      So what? You don't have to understand scientific notation to know that you can vaporize Klingons with anti-matter.

      When kids ask questions, they just want a quick overview. They aren't expecting you to read them a PhD dissertation. Although that might be effective way to get them to go bother someone else the next time they have a question.

    17. Re:I Wouldn't. by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 4, Insightful

      If 9-yo could understand relativity then the industrial revolution would have occurred 600-BC !

      1. The industrial revolution was not based on relativity. It was based on Newtonian physics.
      2. Plenty of 9 year olds can understand that F=MA.
      3. Understanding something is not the same as discovering it. Plenty of big discoveries are "obvious" in hindsight.

    18. Re:I Wouldn't. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      “When you sit with a nice girl for two hours you think it’s only a minute, but when you sit on a hot stove for a minute you think it’s two hours. That’s relativity.” - Albert Einstein (That seems pretty simple to me and also very profound, I think most nine year old's could understand that.)

    19. Re: I Wouldn't. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well in the case presented in TFS the kid asked all on his own.

      Although telling kids "you don't need to know" might encourage them to look up things on their own. Or they might just agree and move on. Either way it is a cop out. Talk to your kids, anything real world that gets their attention is worth at least a bit of research. At least he didn't ask why Spongebob is so famous.

    20. Re:I Wouldn't. by WarJolt · · Score: 1

      Einstein had no idea how gravity works like the article suggests. Theoretical physicists have some ideas, but no consensus yet.

      Also, the article neglects to mention that Newtonian physics explains gravity as a force that pulls you towards the earth. That particular contribution predates Einstein by quite a bit.

    21. Re:I Wouldn't. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Didn't Einstein "explain" gravity using the rubber sheet mental model?

      Fact is, Newtonian physics doesn't "explain" gravity either - it describes the effects without saying why. Same thing in Einsteinian mechanics, but with some neat added complications (time slowdown in a gravitational field, which has to be included in the calculations for GPS to work).

    22. Re:I Wouldn't. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Put helium balloon under trampoline and enter the twilight zone.

    23. Re:I Wouldn't. by Solandri · · Score: 4, Interesting

      The way I'd explain Relativity to a kid is that people always thought that time and space (distance) were universal constants, and everything could be represented assuming those two were constant. If two people are in the same location observing the same thing, but one person is stationary and the other moving, a light beam will appear to be moving at a different speed to the two people.

      Einstein showed that the speed of light is what stays constant. Light appears to move at the same speed to both those people in the above example. Space and time themselves warp to make that possible. In this case, by time appearing to pass more slowly for one person.

      If this is a typical 9-year old, he'll think "that's weird," go to sleep, and the next day his mind will be back on TV, video games, and sports. If he's atypical, he's going to spend a long time awake thinking about this and have a bunch more questions for you in the morning. Then you can introduce him to all sorts of fun stuff like light clocks, the twin paradox, (the lack of) simultaneity (I especially like the ladder paradox since it's very intuitive and demonstrates how the loss of simultaneity resolves seeming paradoxes).

    24. Re:I Wouldn't. by Evtim · · Score: 1

      Special relativity is a great "click-bait" because I yet have to meet a (layman) person who does not go wide-eyes when you mention time dilation (most people think that time is a convenient notion invented by humans that does not "really exist as a thing" anyway). It's a great narrative - everyone intuitively understands the Galileo transformations, no problem there. Build it up with few examples (cars, trains) and the go to "let's see what happens when we try to measure the speed of light from different inertial frames of reference". Oh wait, it does not change! Oh no! The only way to make the maths work is if mass, dimension and duration are changeable. Oh piss off, that is nuts! OK, let's measure then! Shit, he is right!.

      Bonus points if you involve a bit of human drama (people of all ages love that) - how physicists thought everything was figured out at the beginning of 20th century, how Einstein inadvertently paved the way to quantum mechanics with which he had so much trouble later on and so on....

      However, in the particular case I think one should start with short introduction of "fields" to explain how objects can interact with each other without being in contact (differentiating between the cases when there is matter in between carrying the interaction, like a sound wave and when there isn't). That's easy - the electromagnetic filed provides a million examples from everyday life including the most familiar gadget in the world - mobile phone. Then you do the special relativity and finally go to the "rubber sheet illustration" of general relativity.

      Final thought - Einstein is tricky to explain to youngsters but essential, because IMO the story represents the most difficult yet most exciting and desirable thing scientists have to cope with - a paradigm shift. When I studied all this in University I was expecting some heavy incomprehensible mathematics and long-winded incomprehensible explanations....nothing of the sort. The ideas are deceptively simple, it's just that if you go with it you need to abandon the present paradigm and formulate new one. That ability - to look at the body of facts with new eyes, to see a structure and an explanation that altered the most fundamental understandings in physics, that is the real genius. The lesson for the youngsters being that it is more important to think laterally , to challenge the established wisdom rather than being able to recite all classes of reactions in organic chemistry or name every star in the sky...

    25. Re:I Wouldn't. by Jane+Q.+Public · · Score: 1

      I was going to say something similar.

      Einstein's Special and General theories don't really explain gravity. Nor does our current understanding of quantum mechanics.

      There are theories -- there always are -- but there is no solid evidence to support any single "grand unified theory" theory yet.

    26. Re: I Wouldn't. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      its easy to teach a child how to ride a bike & show them why we can, its nearly impossible to describe to a child the engineering or do the math to 'prove' the concept.

      That's like AI. Computers learn to see or play Go without understanding what they are seeing or why what they are doing works.

    27. Re:I Wouldn't. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Einstein had no idea how gravity works like the article suggests.

      You have no idea of what ideas Einstein had. We only know what he had a good enough grasp of to write down and explain but people typically have more ideas than they are able to pass on.

      Yes, I am nitpicking but so are you, it is not like this discussion can lead anywhere useful anyway.

    28. Re:I Wouldn't. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Einstein's special theory of relativity doesn't really explain gravity in exactly the same sense that Darwin's theory of evolution doesn't really explain gravity.

      Namely, both theories have absolutely nothing to do with gravity and don't try to explain gravity at all.

    29. Re:I Wouldn't. by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      The ability to understand something when explained is far easier than the ability to discover something unprompted.

      I hope you realise the significance of the fact I had to explain this to you. You should feel a special type of stupid right now.

    30. Re:I Wouldn't. by TheRaven64 · · Score: 1

      Or maybe it would mean that you were as smart as Einstein. Or, at least, able to plagiarise Einstein, who did explain special relativity to his children and wrote down the explanation that he used. My father told me the same explanation when I was 11. There's a lot of maths, and the moment when you can work out the mass-energy equivalence formula from first principles requires a lot more maths than a typical child has, but that isn't needed to get an understanding of what Einstein showed any more than you need to understand Newton's laws to understand that he worked out how to calculate where a thrown object will land and the relationship between the mass of an object and how fast two things will fall together.

      Einstein used a model of two trains moving towards each other, each with headlights on the front, and asked his children what would happen to the light. If you start with the speed of sound on a train, then you get to the answer that sound goes faster because the air is moving, so for the light to move faster you'd need some substrate to be moving. The rest falls fairly naturally out of there.

      General relativity, in contrast, is horribly complex.

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    31. Re:I Wouldn't. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No it was correct. The kid asked why Einstein was so famous. To answer a question like that, one needs explain not only the solution, but the problem as well. (In other words, also explain the complexity which Einstein simplified.)

    32. Re:I Wouldn't. by zifn4b · · Score: 1

      next.

      Correct. In order for someone to grasp the subject matter they need the knowledge foundation that his ideas were built upon. How would you explain the inner workings of the internal combustion engine to a 9 year old? You can't. How would you explain fractional reserve banking or the differences between Capitalism and Socialism to a 9 year old? You can't. What you can do however is gradually educate your kids on the foundation concepts that those higher level ideas are built upon which is supposed to be the job of the educational system. Eventually if you provide them with enough information they will make all the right neural connections in their brain and hopefully see the big picture.

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    33. Re:I Wouldn't. by zifn4b · · Score: 1

      Relativity, spacetime curvature, and mass-energy equivalence are not beyond a nine year old's ability to understand

      I'd like to see you explain to a 9 year old what a tesseract is such that they actually understand it and can attempt to visualize it. How many slashdotters do you suppose struggle with that? I bet some don't even know what a tesseract is other than some mystical Nordic Mythology thing in Marvel's Avengers.

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    34. Re:I Wouldn't. by zifn4b · · Score: 1

      So what? You don't have to understand scientific notation to know that you can vaporize Klingons with anti-matter.

      Nonsense! Whenever I post to slashdot with each HTTP GET and POST I envision in my mind the precise HTTP/1.1 messages going across the wire including the User Agent for my specific browser. I also envision slashdot's server side code (probably written in 1990's CGI script) processing all this information and reading and writing from flat files on some crusty old Solaris box because they optimized some of the code in assembler to be scalable. You really do need to know all that to use a site like slashdot otherwise you're just not doing it right.

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    35. Re:I Wouldn't. by scottrocket · · Score: 1
      "it is not like this discussion can lead anywhere useful anyway."

      It may inspire some young reader to aim their stubborness at some of the problems talked about here and, in the process eventually become a scientist. That's not too bad a thing.

    36. Re:I Wouldn't. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      P vs NP comes to mind your this

    37. Re:I Wouldn't. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Didn't Einstein "explain" gravity using the rubber sheet mental model?

      It's very clear if you take the time to read Einstein in the original Hebrew.

    38. Re:I Wouldn't. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      You think that's difficult? Try explaining economics to a Bernie Sanders supporter.

    39. Re:I Wouldn't. by michelcolman · · Score: 2

      A paradox I like even more, is the one with two 100 meter trains passing each other on an 80 m section of track by going at 0.6c. A bystander sees the two trains pass each other while they are only 80 m long due to Lorentz contraction. On the train, your own train is 100 m, the section of double track is 64 m, but fortunately the other train is even shorter (45.8 m) and they pass each other first on one side and then the other.

      The reason I like it better than the ladder paradox is that it really drives home the point that the contraction is real. With the ladder, people tend to say that the ladder is never really in the barn, it's just a result of the clocks being off (especially since that's how you explained it can be in the barn and not really in the barn depending on who's looking and whether or not the clocks say the same thing). With the train, you can point out that even though the points of view explain the result differently, the trains actually do end up passing each other no matter how you look at them, while they really ought to be too long.

    40. Re:I Wouldn't. by michelcolman · · Score: 1

      Obligatory xkcd.

    41. Re:I Wouldn't. by skids · · Score: 1

      The high level concept here pretty much is the math. Just saying stuff like "light always
      moves at the same speed to every observer no matter how fast they are moving" just
      seeds confusion unless you can wrap your head around the lorentz transformation.
      For most people, this requires quite a bit of pondering and working through examples...
      (frankly, I could use to spend more time on that, personally, despite having a college
      engineering education.)

      What I'd do is explain a bit of newtonian physics to the kid, and then tell him "this stuff will
      work for most things, but when you get into the really large or really fast they start to
      give you wrong answers. Einstein found a new way to think about things that explains
      why, and if you pay attention in your math classes and get really good at math, someday
      maybe you'll be able to understand it."

    42. Re:I Wouldn't. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      9 years old means, at least in the USA, 4th grade. By then a student has (supposedly) learned multiplication and long division. If you cannot explain the basic mechanics of an internal combustion engine, banking, or gravity to someone who "knows" how to multiply and divide, then congratulations, you're a shitty teacher and should just stop talking to people.

    43. Re:I Wouldn't. by Frobnicator · · Score: 1

      For the time dilation, I love the example of bouncing a ball off the wall.

      Imagine sitting in a room where a person tosses a ball against the wall, has it bounce back, and catches it.

      The person bouncing the ball will have the same experience no matter how fast they are traveling. If they are traveling very slowly compared to the speed of light it will bounce off the wall exactly as you predict. If they are traveling on a train or airplane at a steady speed, they can bounce the ball and it will happen the same. If they are travelling at enormous velocity, it will appear the same. If they are traveling at nearly the speed of light they can continue to bounce the ball and it will travel exactly the same.

      However, because of the absolute speed limit of the speed of light, time would need to dilate for the faster-moving ball. The relative speed of time itself changes when approaching the speed of light.

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    44. Re:I Wouldn't. by morgauxo · · Score: 1

      That's just plain stupid.

      Being able to understand something that someone is explaining to you is NOT the same thing as figuring it out for yourself.

      Just because you think you understand the dumbed down version that you were taught in your high school physics class does not mean that living in a time where no-one on the planet had already discovered relativity you could have pulled it out of a stack of experimental data, thought experiment and logic all by yourself.

      Likewise just because you can explain it in such a way that a 9-year old might get the basic idea does NOT mean that a 9-year old could have discovered the whole thing by his/her self. And, if it did that would only set a lower limit on Einstein's intelligence although it might set an upper limit on that of his contemporaries who did not discover relativity.

      People should try to teach their kids as much as they can. They really do learn more, easier when they are young. If you encourage their curiosity while they are young they will grow up to be smart people. If you act like everything is too complicated they will grow up to be your typical unscientific moron. It only makes sense, their brains are much more plastic at younger ages.

        My daughter learned probably learned more science between the ages of 2 and 4 than most learn up through Junior high just because when she asks a question I give her a real answer. Also she loves to sit down together and research the things she finds interesting on Google.

      These informal lessons get harder once keeping up with the set school curriculum becomes more demanding. She is 7 now and already bringing home daily homework making our 'informal lessons' much less frequent but I can still see the difference in her compared to kids whose parents just assumed they wouldn't understand things and didn't try to teach them.

    45. Re:I Wouldn't. by houghi · · Score: 1

      I would say he is famous for his hair.

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    46. Re:I Wouldn't. by zifn4b · · Score: 1

      9 years old means, at least in the USA, 4th grade. By then a student has (supposedly) learned multiplication and long division. If you cannot explain the basic mechanics of an internal combustion engine, banking, or gravity to someone who "knows" how to multiply and divide, then congratulations, you're a shitty teacher and should just stop talking to people.

      Judging by your immaturity in trolling slashdot like a moron, you must be in 4th grade or lower. Go fuck yourself.

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    47. Re:I Wouldn't. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Moreover, it's entirely possible that the Industrial Revolution could have happened in 600 BC had the Bronze Age collapse not occurred.

    48. Re:I Wouldn't. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I'd like to see you explain to a 9 year old what a tesseract is such that they actually understand it and can attempt to visualize it.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-68SwgVrhs

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N0WjV6MmCyM

      You're welcome.

    49. Re:I Wouldn't. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The Greeks and Romans did invent steam power (heat water in a sealed tank with the only outlets being a T shaped pipe with holes in each side of the top bar), but the main question asked was "what would we do with all the slaves?"

    50. Re:I Wouldn't. by tigersha · · Score: 1

      That is what I did, except I actually sat on a Trampoline and had a tennis ball roll towards me. The kid understood that, at 6

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    51. Re:I Wouldn't. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Heck, when I was 5, I formulated (and solved) Zeno's paradox. No reason a 9 year old can't understand relativity.

  2. Magic by Bodhammer · · Score: 0

    "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic."

    --Arthur C. Clarke

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    1. Re: Magic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Which is why he needs to get interested soon before he notices the opposite sex.

    2. Re: Magic by fyngyrz · · Score: 2

      Which is why he needs to get interested soon before he notices the opposite sex.

      Eventually he'll figure out that the opposite sex is also indistinguishable from magic.

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    3. Re: Magic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "The difference between magic and women is that magic must make sense."

      -- Some Guy, probably.

  3. Bowling ball on a rubber sheet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Seems good enough for everyone else

    1. Re:Bowling ball on a rubber sheet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yup, dig up some old 80s science shows, they used to cover stuff like that repeatedly. You can also find even older less condescending educational films on YouTube, but obviously watch them first and check for accuracy.

      I'll say this Einstein already had a talent for explaining highly complex theories in simplistic ways, never hurts to crack his books and teach from the horse's mouth so to speak.

    2. Re:Bowling ball on a rubber sheet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Calling Einstein a horse? Anti-Semite much?

    3. Re:Bowling ball on a rubber sheet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Oh in that case you should teach who actually came up with e=mc2 first:

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

  4. Uranium – Twisting the Dragon's Tail by AHuxley · · Score: 2

    Has some of the history of the atomic age and the science, math.
    http://www.pbs.org/program/ura...

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    1. Re:Uranium – Twisting the Dragon's Tail by tsuliga · · Score: 1

      FYI, you need to be a member to view the video.

    2. Re:Uranium – Twisting the Dragon's Tail by AHuxley · · Score: 1

      For that the series does have colourful dragons to help explain the history and science.

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  5. Better yet.... by eyepeepackets · · Score: 3, Funny

    ...wait until you get the pleasure of trying to explain how "gravity" warps space, which is supposedly nothing at all, and how nothing can be warped. Then there is the whole issue of time versus timing in the context of perception, etc. Not a pleasant place to be if you want the kid to think you are not just another nutter.

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    1. Re:Better yet.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

      General Relativity took me 5 years to get my head around as an adult. I taught my daughter, now 11alot about current cosmology. She now has nightmares about asteroid hits and the heat death of the universe, But she loves maths and wants to be an engineer, so I've done pretty well.

    2. Re:Better yet.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      When you get down to it, is saying "nothing is warped" really any worse than claiming "nothing is flat". Both sound nutty when said out load. But when you think about it, what we call Euclidean geometry is just a whole bunch of assumption, one of which is demonstrably wrong on larger scales. Curved space just takes those assumptions and drops the erroneous one, so (a) it's less wrong and (b) as far as Occam's razor goes it's actually the simpler of the two :)

    3. Re:Better yet.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you plot the size of a plant, or any object at all, as E=mc^2 (you might have to plot as log30.. etc )
      and include all fields, gravity,magnetic, electrostatic, etc (remember all fields are energy).. you see we are inside the earth.
      it's a mistake to think of the earth we see it, being the source of the Gravity fields, there is no chicken and egg here.
      When you plot as E=mc^2 you see there is no distinction. So yes.. there is no need to warp space/time as they don't exist.
      How do we know this, every thing has energy association with it, if no energy it's not exist.
      Thats why never you will never see one bit of information transfered using QM entanglement. there is no entanglement. Just wave coherence thats all.

      Lachlan

    4. Re: Better yet.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If your job can be replaced by an 11 year old girl, you've got bigger problems buddy.

    5. Re:Better yet.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My daughter: "I don't want to go upstairs, there might be a black hole up there!"

    6. Re:Better yet.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      she loves maths and wants to be an engineer, so I've done pretty well.

      You failed her. Now she can look forward to a life of being looked down upon by society, long hours, low wages, and having her job stolen by Mukesh from Mumbai. On the other hand, being a female in STEM she might be able to get a free ride on the 'social jewstick' bus for a while, especially if you can convince her to take hormones and have her tits removed.

    7. Re:Better yet.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Same here: my daughter is four years old and her favorite astronaut is Alexander Gerst, a volcanologist. So she takes an interest in volcanoes and I tell her about how they build up a lot of pressure, eventually crack and explode, spill lava etc. Now she has nightmares about them, thinking one is about to explode right around the corner.

  6. Newton. by msauve · · Score: 4, Informative

    "Einstein figured out how energy, mass and gravity work and are related to each other. "

    That would be Newton. Einstein tweaked Newton to cover the extremes.

    To acquaint someone with Einstein, start with some of his thought experiments which break Newtonian physics.

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    1. Re:Newton. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      To acquaint someone with Einstein, start with some of his thought experiments which break Newtonian physics.

      Exactly what I was going to say, but with a link!

    2. Re:Newton. by dfsmith · · Score: 4, Informative

      Newton didn't get the energy part.

      Einstein (as I understand it) and the rest of the physics world had a problem in that Maxwell's Equations did a really good job of describing electromagnetism. However, the wave equation that pops out does not account for the velocity of the observer. This implied that the speed of EM radiation (light) is constant for ANY observer: oh dear. Einstein (and Lorentz) hypothesized that time didn't have to be the same everywhere, and came up with Special Relativity to describe it. And, remarkably, SR was shown to be accurate. It's also how energy gets mixed in with mass.

      A handful (nearly two hands full) of years later, Einstein published General Relativity as a description of why acceleration looks the same as gravity. (Inspired by Newton's F=(constant)*Ma=GMm/(rr).) He did this by hypothesizing that distance is not the same everywhere. And, remarkably, GR was shown to be accurate. (He needed some help from other mathematicians, because the math is hard for warped spacetime.)

      Maybe the above is not quite kid-friendly, but Einstein challenged the ideas of classical physics (time and space being "flat"), and got it right. Or at least the next-level-of-right.

    3. Re:Newton. by msauve · · Score: 2

      "Newton didn't get the energy part."

      Of course he did. Perhaps you're referring to Mass-energy equivalence which is, as I said, at the extremes.

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    4. Re:Newton. by Boronx · · Score: 1

      That equation is wrong. He didn't get it.

    5. Re:Newton. by Antique+Geekmeister · · Score: 1

      It's close enough for "lies to children", which is how Terry Pratchett and his co-authors of "Science of Discworld" described educational simplifications.

      I've explained some aspects by walking children, and physics students, through the "ladder paradox" described at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... .The principle of simultaneity which is key to understanding it is often glossed over by many people trying to understand the event. The idea that the time of events depends on the observer so deeply is _enormously_ confusing to students who've been poorly educated. It also lays open extremely critical concepts to a child to understand that the same event will _always_ look different to different frames of reference, or different points of view.

    6. Re:Newton. by msauve · · Score: 1

      You're unfocused and pedantic. The discussion is about Einstein, and that means a differentiation between Newtonian and Einsteinian physics. Anything before Einstein was Newtonian, even if Newton himself didn't fully develop the math and formulae. Fact is, the math came out of Newton's Laws, so he did fully "get it" in concept, even if not fully developed in detail.

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    7. Re:Newton. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That refers specifically to the kinetic energy. But Einstein figured out the relationship between rest mass and energy: E=mc^2
      Not only this affects the kinetic energy of a body (as the special relativity formula shows), but it shows there's a much deeper link between mass and energy than simply "a body that moves has kinetic energy." It is, after all, a consequence of this E=mc^2 that (according to our current understanding of physics) prevents us from reaching the speed of light.

      Newton mechanics never figured this link, so it wouldn't impose any limits on your speed.

    8. Re:Newton. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's only "extremes" if you consider GPS satellites to be some exotic thing nobody ever has any interaction with except eccentric weirdos.
      As the are in fact an every day object most people rely on for common tasks I'd argue Newton "got it wrong" for even every day applications by modern standards.

  7. Gravity Visualized by imcdona · · Score: 2

    There's always this: https://youtu.be/MTY1Kje0yLg

  8. How smart is this kid? by MAXOMENOS · · Score: 3, Insightful

    If he's pretty smart, then you might be able to hand him a copy of Einstein's Relativity: The Special and General Theory. This is a layman's-level introduction that avoids the weeds of Riemann geometry and the like. The math will still be above his head (unless your nine-year-old understands college-level algebra), but he should still be able to get the concepts from reading this.

    1. Re:How smart is this kid? by evought · · Score: 2

      If he's pretty smart, then you might be able to hand him a copy of Einstein's Relativity: The Special and General Theory....

      Indeed, I started that way, myself. Between his thought experiments and illustrations, Einstein did a very good job of bringing the extreme conditions he was talking about down to things you could imagine. I also read a number of Asimov's non-fiction books between 4th and 7th grade (my parents had a very good library downstairs). Today, I have a tabletop illustrated edition of Hawking's A Brief History of Time and The Universe In a Nutshell which I have worked through parts of with our daughter (now 13). The combination of a text which takes a layman's approach without dumbing it down and good illustrations is key.

      Good movies also help. My wife and I have had really good conversations with our daughter at a diner with a pen and a pile of napkins after a movie. Hidden Figures was one she has gotten hooked on. She is now reading the book and interested enough to sit down and voluntarily work through Algebra problems in a Schaum's Outline with me while it is otherwise very difficult to get her to sit still for anything. Others which got her thinking were Arrival, The Martian and ... blast... the one involving ecological disaster, a colonizing mission, a black hole, and a time loop... one of the characters was 'Murph'. Anyway, kids need to be able to think about things in context, even a fictional one, and sometimes the faults in the fiction can even become teaching examples themselves. Honestly, most adults learn best that way, too, we just don't always admit it.

      We were surprised to find that there are a few good 'space camps' around and in different parts of the country. We sent our daughter to a program in the Midwest over the summer after she got hooked on the Martian; just an introductory program, but some of the exhibits and simulators they had for kids to learn on were amazing. If kids can see where some of the knowledge plugs in in a real physical, visceral way, they have someplace to file even knowledge that they don't quite understand yet. It can become a puzzle that they keep coming back to as they get more pieces.

    2. Re:How smart is this kid? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It sounds like you're doing a great job, your daughter is one lucky kid.

  9. The philosopher Didactylos suggested by franzrogar · · Score: 1

    "Things just happen, what the hell".

    (c) Terry Pratchett, "Hogfather"

  10. Cartoon guide to physics by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    As a kid I had a book called the cartoon guide to physics:
    https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/0062731009/ref=mp_s_a_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1516318314&sr=8-1&pi=AC_SX236_SY340_QL65&keywords=cartoon+guide+to+physics&dpPl=1&dpID=510-lJbYgvL&ref=plSrch

  11. Magic School Bus by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Just watch the old and new episodes of Magic School Bus.

  12. Dopper Shift by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Every red light turns green, if you drive fast enough.

    1. Re:Dopper Shift by mark-t · · Score: 1

      At about 60 to 65% of the speed of light, perhaps...

  13. Teach him about mass? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Tell him his mama's big fat ass has a black hole in the middle. Warn him not to stand too close, the event horizon is just under the skirt...

  14. Tell him... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    hat Einstein stood on the shoulders of giants and saw further.... Then start with Newton... There's a lot facinating things to be told before you end up there...

  15. I'll take a shot by Rick+Schumann · · Score: 1
    Disclaimer: I am not a parent.

    Einstein discovered a way to describe how the Universe and everything in it works, in mathematical terms.
    Using the math he created, people can predict how things in our Universe should work, before they even try to do something.

    That'd be my opening shot, anyway. Beyond that it'd depend on what the 9-year old asked me about.
    Someone (who is a parent) once told me that if a child can ask a question, then they're probably ready for the answer. So I'd let the child drive the conversation, as opposed to drowning them in a bunch of information.

  16. yawn ... by Hugh+Jorgen · · Score: 1

    Asking why someone is "famous" does not convey an interest in physics or science or anything else. Seems like a normal nine-year old's inquisitive nature.

  17. If you think Special Relativity makes sense... by aberglas · · Score: 2

    You do not really understand it.

    Two twins orbit around each other and then meet. They are both older than each other. Warping fundamental concepts of time and distance to make speed do weird things. As to General Relativity, those pretty pictures you see on TV are nothing like what it really is.

    Newton is hard enough. Maybe by 16 a kid might be able to really understand it if they are smart.

    Some things just cannot be explained in a meaningful way.

    1. Re:If you think Special Relativity makes sense... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I must miss something : please enlighten this 46 year old kid : As they share the same rotating frame of reference ... why would both be older than each other ?
      Thanks.

    2. Re:If you think Special Relativity makes sense... by kenh · · Score: 1

      Some things just cannot be explained in a meaningful way.

      What? Examples?

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      Ken
    3. Re:If you think Special Relativity makes sense... by Pfhorrest · · Score: 4, Informative

      Two twins orbit around each other and then meet. They are both older than each other.

      Sounds like you're the one who doesn't understand relativity.

      Two twins are set into motion relative to each other, and then left to coast inertially like that. Time passes. Each twin thinks more time has passed for the other than for themselves since they were set into motion. Neither is objectively correct; a third observer could find the same amount of time to have passed for both, or any different ratio of time to have passed for either, depending on how that observer is moving.

      But then the twins are set back into motion toward each other. Again, after being set into motion like that, they disagree about how much time is passing for each other, but then, so does every other observer, and about everything else in the universe too. Observers in different states of motion disagree about how much time is passing how quickly where.

      The twins come back together and are brought to a stop relative to each other. They have definitive ages relative to each other that they both agree on, as does every other observer in the universe.

      The trick is that when they're being set into motion apart, turned around and sent back together, and stopped at the end, time is also passing differently for each of them not just because of their different states of motion, which nobody can agree upon, but depending on whose motion is being changed how much, which is something that every observer can agree upon even if they can't agree on the absolute measure of that motion. (That is, while observers may disagree about which twin is stationary and which is moving, they will all agree that one twin is moving more [or less] now than it was before).

      If one twin stayed in the same state of motion the whole time, while the other got sped away, turned around, and then stopped when he got back, then the one who stayed behind is older, and everybody agrees.

      In your scenario, it sounds like they both underwent the same acceleration, just mirrored from each other, so both would be the same age when they came back together, and both would agree on that, as would every other observer in the universe.

      Other observers moving differently than the twins would disagree on what age they are, but they'd all agree that they're the same age as each other, whatever that age is.

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    4. Re:If you think Special Relativity makes sense... by strikethree · · Score: 1

      If one twin stayed in the same state of motion the whole time, while the other got sped away, turned around, and then stopped when he got back, then the one who stayed behind is older, and everybody agrees.

      So... erm, uh... why does everyone seem to think that the Universe is 13.75 billion years old when various parts of it have been moving at various speeds for various amounts of time. Shouldn't some things be 13.75 TRILLION years old and shouldn't some things be 13.75 seconds old?

      Depending on their "velocity" in various frames of reference. Of course.

      Gravity is easy to explain. It is just time differentials causing the acceleration. The further you move away from a mass, the faster time flows in relation to something nearer to the mass.

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  18. Easy - Put a quarter in one of these... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZWyAVN970c

  19. Re:Used to explain it easily to a 3 year old by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Not sure that you have really researched that correlation, you may be jumping to conclusions. Maybe you should hire some cheap off-shore workers to do a proper analysis on that, as you sound like somebody who can hardly count.

  20. Genius on Nat Geo by zamboni1138 · · Score: 1

    Watch season 1 of Genius on the National Geographic channel.

    Your nine year old will learn about a lot more than just Einstein. But it does a decent job of visually explaining some of his breakthroughs.

  21. That's easy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Force feed them gummy bears.

  22. Impossible? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I mean, you usually start learning about algebra in your second year of high school here, which is at the minimum 13 years old.
    At 9 year old, this kid doesn't even know what those letters have to do with math.

  23. Find the right book by reboot246 · · Score: 1

    I started to say it would depend on how bright the nine-year-old was, but since he's already asking, it means he's curious and that's the best time to teach a child about something. One of my teachers used to say, "Seize the moment of excited curiosity."

    I have seen a few books (and own a couple of them) written on the subject specifically targeted to young people. Just a quick search on Amazon yielded this one - "Albert Einstein and Relativity for Kids: His Life and Ideas with 21 Activities and Thought Experiments". I know there are others out there.

    Let the kid read one or two of those books and then have a discussion with him to see how much he learned. If he's a bright as I suspect he is, I think you'll be surprised.

  24. Simple by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Gather up any Asimov essays on time, Einstein, history of science, etc and say read these. Heck, just pass him all Asimov’s non fiction works.

  25. Gedanken experiments by werepants · · Score: 1

    Some simple thought experiments, exactly the same as those that Einstein used, would be a great place to start. Specifically, using train cars, and lights, and clocks, and bombs. The most fundamental thing to understand is that WHEN something happened depends on your perspective. That's the fundamental idea, and if you can help your kid appreciate why cause and effect can appear to be different for the same event, that will get him interested.

    I think it will also keep his interest to focus on the provocative aspects of that. Relativity DOESN'T behave the same way that the normal world does, and that's intriguing to people of any age that take the time to think about it.

    1. Re:Gedanken experiments by dotancohen · · Score: 1

      I came to post this. I worked through the train thought experiment with my oldest when she was nine or ten, and she got it. She asked just before bedtime, and I think that we talked for maybe half an hour. She went to sleep disagreeing with our conclusion, but a few days later she mentioned that yup, the train gets smaller as it goes faster!

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    2. Re:Gedanken experiments by robbak · · Score: 1

      That's a good idea - quite often the best way to understand it is to use the thought experiment that the original person used. So just like Newton's Canon is the best way to get a grasp of orbits, Einstien's train is a great handle to get to grips with Relativity.

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    3. Re:Gedanken experiments by werepants · · Score: 1

      Exactly. If it was a powerful enough metaphor to aid in the discovery of the concept in the first place, it is probably going to be among the better teaching tools as well. I didn't really understand orbits until I saw Newton's diagram of the cannonballs of progressively higher velocity shooting around the earth - but that one image made the entire concept clear for me.

      I think more educators should use the original diagrams and thought experiments because of the historical significance, too - it's pretty neat to look at the same exact drawings and think through the same exact patterns of thought that were used decades or centuries before, when the ideas were brand new.

  26. Sit them down in front of some good science TV by istartedi · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I wouldn't try to do it directly. Plenty of other people have covered these areas, and on a level that makes it accessible. For time dilation, Carl Sagan's original Cosmos series had an excellent depiction of time dilation and travel approaching the speed of light. IIRC, part of it was based on a "what if" scenario in which c was something you could approach by peddling a bicycle really hard. When you returned from the ride, all your friends were grey-haired old people.

    I'm sure there is some other good programming out there.

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    1. Re:Sit them down in front of some good science TV by istartedi · · Score: 2
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      For all intensive purposes, "whom" is no longer a word. That begs the question, "who cares"?
    2. Re:Sit them down in front of some good science TV by redmasq · · Score: 1

      If I had mod points, I would 1-up this. I had no trouble understanding Sagan's videos when I was in grade school.

    3. Re:Sit them down in front of some good science TV by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      It was actually a Vespa and it's on YouTube

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?... This one. Both series are worth watching, and the NdT Cosmos reboot was wonderful -- but the episodes were 41 minutes long. The extra 20 minutes from the 1980/Carl Sagan Cosmos series had gave him enough time to go just a little bit deeper in each episode.

  27. Which Way Is Down video by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I thought the following "Which way is down" video really opened my eyes and helped simplify concepts about relativity. It's relatively short and it mostly keeps things simple, yet goes pretty deep.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xc4xYacTu-E&feature=youtu.be

  28. Science describes nature, it doesn't explain it. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It would be best not to give the impression that Einstein's description of gravity is preferable to Newton's because it doesn't rely on action at a distance. Einstein's description doesn't explain why space is curved by matter and so it would be no better an explanation of gravity than Newton's description, in fact if the two descriptions agreed in all situations, Newton's would be preferable because of its mathematical simplicity.

  29. But why is he famous? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yes, he revolutionized physics, but is he famous because of that? I'd say it's because he's what everyone thinks a scientist is - white coat, crazy hair, and forgetting things.

  30. I did it with a 4 year old and it stuck by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    My kids can do general and special relativity and have been able to for 10 years.

    Take them on a train. Then jump when itâ(TM)s at full speed. Then jump when itâ(TM)s taking a turn. Ask how come if your feet are touching the train, you donâ(TM)t just fly away. Then when you jump, and the train is moving, how come it doesnâ(TM)t move without you.

    Do the same on a plane a year later and see if they remember.

    Then if you get a chance on a speed boat in wind. Ask why you shift relative to the platform. Explain about friction.

    As for special relativity, explain the point of it. Special is easy at 9... after all, itâ(TM)s just describing relation to a constant given mass and energy. Explain that the constant itself could be anything, even something completely made up. But what is important is that it is universally constant and preferably observable.

  31. Try Special Relativity by david_thornley · · Score: 2

    Special Relativity can be comprehended by a reasonably intelligent people who knows some algebra, and it introduces some fascinating concepts. General Relativity is much more complicated. The explanations I've seen involve either a lot of hand-waving or tensor calculus. Start with Special Relativity, and leave the General Relativity stuff for later, if ever.

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    1. Re:Try Special Relativity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The thing that got me to understand GR was Brian Greene's book on String Theory (which failed to explain ST to me).

      In it, it explained GR as that acceleration and gravity are equivalent, that is, a constantly accelerating object can be re-interpreted as one sitting in a gravity well. It gave an example of a constantly accelerating object as a thing being spun on a string. Centripetal force is pulling it into the center, but other things at different radii will feel a different pull. Using Special Relativity for objects at these radii, you can figure out time dilation for them relative to each other. These time dilation are the same you get for an object at various locations in a gravity field, that is, when gravity pulls you X vs Y, you can think of a string spinning with two objects being pulled in with strength X or Y, use SR to figure out their time dilation and that will hold true for them as well in the gravity field.

      It also followed that, just as centrifugal force is a 'false force' that pulls objects outward, 'gravity' is a false force that pulls you toward massive objects. The truth is that gravity is bending space-time so that your inertia will naturally take you to those objects, and the pull of gravity you feel is actually to push of the Earth forcing you out of its center (ground pushing you up), just as centripetal force is the 'real' force but the apparent force acts in the opposite direction.

  32. Here's how ... by CaptainDork · · Score: 2

    There are two: Special relativity and General relativity.

    Associate the "S" with speed and the "G" with gravity.

    Neither is noticeable to you because objects would have to be moving super fast or an object would have to be immersed into a very strong gravity.

    As an object approaches the speed of light, as compared to us standing still, that object gets very heavy, a clock on it would run very slowly, and the object would become shorter.

    A very large gravitational field does about the same thing.

    Einstein also discovered that mass is frozen energy and both are the same thing, similar to water and ice.

    It's more complicated than this simple description and I can help if you'd like to learn more.

    Have your mother bring me a beer.

    Thanks, kid.

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    1. Re:Here's how ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Mass is frozen energy..."

      Wow, that is wrong in so many ways... Mass IS energy (measured a different way) and that ignores potential energy...

      "As an object approaches the speed of light, as compared to us standing still, that object gets very heavy, a clock on it would run very slowly, and the object would become shorter..."

      Not as wrong, but so imprecise that it's practically a non-explanation... Standing still implies a preferred reference frame and the object doesn't get "heavy" which would imply weight, not mass/momentum and clocks don't run slowly if they aren't being accelerated and (apparent) slow clock / length contraction only happens along the direction of motion (I can't run through a 3foot door without hitting my head even if I approach the speed of light). Reciprocity creates a paradox if you think about it this way (you are also moving relative to the object, so the object would necessarily see your clock running slowly) so some other thing must be happening. Of course the apparent invariant changes or paradox simply occur because of the problems of defining simultaneity of measurement (e.g., when you measure the start and stop intervals of the clock or an object passing a point).

    2. Re:Here's how ... by mujadaddy · · Score: 1

      "mass is frozen energy and both are the same thing, similar to water and ice."

      Despite the complaints of AC, I really appreciate this metaphor.

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    3. Re:Here's how ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Neither is noticeable to you because objects would have to be moving super fast or an object would have to be immersed into a very strong gravity.

      You are so wrong! We encounter relativistic effects everyday: magnets, Earth's gravity, probably more without even delving into technology.
      The way I see it, Relativity is about four realizations:

      - first, that Spacetime is one, that time (or what produces our notion of time) is in a way an extension of the space we experience with our senses and instruments.

      - second, that there is exactly only one speed for everything physical and it is constant and always the same in Spacetime, and when you and I are not pointed in parallel directions in Spacetime, we see that we drift apart with time, and that time passes differently for each of us. Our directions of "future" (of our constant speed) are not the same. Yes, every each one of us is moving at relativistic speed as I write this, only all of us, as well as most of the Universe that we can see, are directed in a more or less approximately same direction in Spacetime, so we take it as granted that almost everything is "non-relativistic speed". However, the more distant matter is from us, the more its speed diverges form ours, and we see it as "redshift" and "cosmic expansion". Nevertheless, the one speed is revealed to us when we encounter things (such as light) which have their "future" pointed orthogonally to ours.

      - third, that Spacetime isn't always flat, because energy wrinkles it, and there are many forms of energy, one of which is mass.

      - fourth, with enough energy (mass) concentration, massive things can unknowingly follow a swirling path through Spacetime, bringing them ever closer to each other - that's gravitational pull - until something stops them (e.g. a surface of a massive planet), or, if they find themselves on another place, they may orbit each other endlessly.

    4. Re:Here's how ... by CaptainDork · · Score: 1

      Why would I read you when I can read this?

      Matter is just frozen light.

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    5. Re:Here's how ... by CaptainDork · · Score: 1

      TL;DR

      You're not 9 years old and neither am I.

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    6. Re:Here's how ... by CaptainDork · · Score: 1

      Thank you for your courtesy.

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  33. It's a wave and a particle just like light is by WillAffleckUW · · Score: 1

    Now go play with your Nintendo Nano

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  34. The same way I'd explain it to anyone by Stormy+Dragon · · Score: 3, Insightful

    "Everything should be made as simple as possible, but not simpler." -- Albert Einstein

    1. Re:The same way I'd explain it to anyone by divide+overflow · · Score: 1

      This quote does not appear to have been written by Albert Einstein. He has said something similar, but it is more likely that this quote comes from someone who was paraphrasing Einstein or some other person like William of Ockham or Bertrand Russell.

  35. Imagination by MarkRubin · · Score: 1

    First of all, your kid is amazing. I love his curiosity about the world. To a nine year old, "imagination" is more important than "theories". I would answer the question this way... Einstein used his imagination to visualize how the universe works. He could imagine time, speed, distance, and scale in a way that enabled him to formulate mathematical models of how these things were related. Based on Einstein's understanding of the universe, inventors have created amazing things like: smart phones, Google maps, and atomic energy. Einstein is famous because he used his imagination to find a new way of looking at the world. Einstein once said, "Imagination is more important than knowledge". Try to remember that when you are bored at school. Remember to imagine.

    1. Re:Imagination by kenh · · Score: 1

      Over-analyze much?

      If the 9 year-old knew Einstein was a Physicist, he wouldn't ask "Why is Albert Einstein famous?" You could likely have told him he is famous for playing baseball and he likely wouldn't have pushed back.

      If he asked "Why is Al Gore famous?" that doesn't indicate a deep interest in climate issues.

      If he asked "Why is Mother Theresa famous?" that doesn't indicate a passion for helping his fellow man.

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      Ken
    2. Re:Imagination by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Over-analyze much?

      If the 9 year-old knew Einstein was a Physicist, he wouldn't ask "Why is Albert Einstein famous?" You could likely have told him he is famous for playing baseball and he likely wouldn't have pushed back.

      If he asked "Why is Al Gore famous?" that doesn't indicate a deep interest in climate issues.

      If he asked "Why is Mother Theresa famous?" that doesn't indicate a passion for helping his fellow man.

      Disagree. Such questions are an opportunity to engage a child's curiosity with interesting information. Einstein certainly has such opportunities: aging faster in a rocket ship which gets smaller, etc. No you can't do the math of GR, but you can infect the curiosity that puts him on a path to get there later. With my first son doing so lead to a National Merit Scholarship. Such is infectious, my second son corrected this first grade teacher when she said "You can't take 7 away from 5" by saying 'Yes you can, it's -2." When asked where he learned that, he said "My brother told me."

    3. Re:Imagination by MarkRubin · · Score: 1

      I completely agree with you AC. What an amazing opportunity. I wouldn't squander it with facts and theories that a nine year old wouldn't understand.

  36. Start with the definitively understood stuff by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Albert came up with a number of explanations about physics that were not well understood previously.
    - See wikipedia: multiple significant contributions
    - his most famous contribution is the E=MC^2 equation
    - He is coupled with atomic energy (and atomic bomb) research.
    - He was a prolific writer of technical physics articles. Many of which were "thought experiments" which were proven MANY years later. Some of which were only proven within the last decade!\

    A suggestion:re kid explanation: pitch it as an investigation/[book] report kind of thing. You might have a young Bohr/Schrodinger/Heisenberg/Planck/Einstein/Feynman on hand.

    1. Re:Start with the definitively understood stuff by kenh · · Score: 1

      - He is coupled with atomic energy (and atomic bomb) research.

      He wrote a letter to FDR that inspired the Manhattan Project, suggesting that the US beat the Germans to the first functioning atom bomb.

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  37. How? That's easy! by Gravis+Zero · · Score: 1

    How I would explain it is in a condescending and patronizing manner. For good measure, I would end with, "DUH!" and maybe a flick of a finger to their forehead.

    I'm really good with kids, so good that it's intimidating to parents which is why nobody asks me to babysit their kids. ;)

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  38. Like a fairy tale by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    With a few careful observations, you can begin to understand that the
    heliocentric model is a lie, and you live on a flat plane.

    Science says the tilt of the Earth gives less sunlight to the North on Dec 22. But have you noticed that the sun also appears weaker, and yellower? The tilt only moves it towards the south, and gives it a shorter, lower track through the sky. But the amount of atmosphere traversed is the same for any light coming up from the horizon -- East or South. So what makes the light itself appear weaker in Winter? There should be the same amount of atmosphere to cross whether the Sun rises due East in the summer, or South-East in the winter.

    So why is the winter Sun weak and yellower than the summer sun at the same altitude in the sky?

    Space is fake. The Earth is flat. The eclipses prove it.

    Solar Eclipse: https://vimeo.com/230976895
    Light of the chromosphere can be observed on the back of the moon. Allais Effect
    Lunar Eclipse: https://vimeo.com/92378881
    Shadow is black, then changes color to reddish.
    Next lunar eclipse: January 30/31, 2018 mid-to-west North America

  39. Fame w/o context by slew · · Score: 1

    Einstein was famous because he was good at PR. He wasn't the most capable Physicist, but he was good at discovering things to work on that would get him attention.

    Now for what he is famous for, it's clearly relativity. The ideas behind special relativity were not new when Einstein proposed his views (Lorentz and Poincare were arguably first), but Einstein was probably the first to completely embrace relativity and the invariance principals.

    Unfortunately, it's really hard to do relativity justice w/o appreciation of exactly what energy and momentum are and the insight that radiation can possess inertia. Of course you can short cut this all into the final insight that E=mc^2, but I'm not sure that is much better than teaching history by memorizing dates and reduces this from a scientific explanation to simply a historical explanation (basically Einstein is famous, like Michael Jordan is famous, but he's a famous scientist).

    General relativity is even more complex. The beauty behind the discovery of general relativity is that the math actually works out (which is no mean feat). One can always propose an elegant theory, but if it turns out to be inconsistent with the math, it is just an idea, not a theory. Hilbert and Einstein both worked furiously to work out the math ahead of the other, but it is generally acknowledged that the earlier works of Einstein were likely the insights that motivated the solutions discovered by both men.

    Everyone should be respected as an individual, but no one idolized. It is an irony of fate that I should have been showered with so much uncalled for and unmerited admiration and esteem. Perhaps this adulation springs from the unfulfilled wish of the multitude to comprehend the few ideas which I, with my weak powers, have advanced. -Einstein

    1. Re: Fame w/o context by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm sorry but just because Einstein was a humble man (not always) and understood he stood on the shoulder of giants doesn't mean he just had better PR or "discovered things to work on to make him famous".

      You got part of this correct in that Lorentz for example had published equations used in Special Relativity around the same time, he's not as famous as Einstein, though the set of equations he "invented" are called the Lorentz Transformations so he's got that going for him. The reason is that Lorentz dis really think of three equations, the speed of light being being a constant as "fundamental truths of the universe". Einstein dis which led him to derive E=mc2 which no one else ever did and that was a fundamental difference in how humans viewed the Universe.

      General Relativity is icing on the cake, the math may be harder but the concept of bent "space-time" is far easy to think about and demonstrate to little children. Again fundamentally changing human understanding of the Universe.

      So arguably Einstein helped fundamentally change our view of the Universe than any single human before or since. This is why the world knows Einstein and o my a handful know who Lorentz and Hilbert were.

    2. Re: Fame w/o context by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Einstein dis which led him to derive E=mc2 which no one else ever did and that was a fundamental difference in how humans viewed the Universe.

      I'm sorry you don't understand that Einstein wasn't first to derive E=mc2. The fundamental contribution of Einstein in this area was the full rejection of a preferred frame of reference, not E=mc2 which was previously derived and well known (by Hasenöhrl and Poincare). This is why I mentioned that it is hard to appreciate Einstein's version of E=mc2 without ideas about inertia and radiation.

      General Relativity is icing on the cake, the math may be harder but the concept of bent "space-time" is far easy to think about and demonstrate to little children. Again fundamentally changing human understanding of the Universe.

      Although you might think you are "demo-ing" bent space-time to children, nearly all demonstrations made to children are mere analogies, which do not effectively demo the principles at all https://arxiv.org/abs/1312.389... http://www.fourmilab.ch/gravit... (IMO no better than a scientific-like "demo" that applies constant force to an object to maintain a constant velocity and thus confusing the student about F=ma because of friction).

      So arguably Einstein helped fundamentally change our view of the Universe than any single human before or since. This is why the world knows Einstein and o my a handful know who Lorentz and Hilbert were.

      Certainly Einstein helped to change our view of the universe, but the reason *why* Poincare, Lorenz and Hilbert are less known to the masses is that they weren't as good at PR as Einstein.

  40. He doesn't have an interest... by kenh · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Afterwards I thought: this might be a nice question to ask on Slashdot; how would I continue this discussion to explain it to him further? Of course, with the goal of further feeding his interest in physics.

    He hasn't shown an interest in physics, he's shown an interest in a famous name he's heard (likely) repeatedly.

    You should learn not to read too much into everything a 9 year-old says.

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  41. Wrong answer by turbidostato · · Score: 4, Insightful

    By your own account, your son is not asking you about relativity: he is asking why Einstein is so famous (and he is 9 year old).

    The proper answer is, then, because he ranked to the top of his field, just like (put here whatever TV competition he is fan of, Disney young singers or whatever). When you get to the top of your field, you get famous. Full stop.

    Now, if you really want to introduce him into Einstein's, I can tell how I introduced myself, but I was eleven or twelve back then, which I think makes the situation a world apart.

    I happened to start thinking about the relativity principle, the original one, Galileo's (no memory of how I stumbled onto it, though) and felt fascinated by the old man in his ship, trying to decide from within his cabin if the ship was moving or not. From there I moved to the "known fact" that nothing, and I mean NOTHING, can go faster than light in a vacuum (you can disgress a bit here talking about Mach's aether and Michelson-Morley experiment if you want to), and how would the world look like if that were true (I probably had read some of the old mental experiments about trains and watches coming and going, but I've forgotten when or where, probably because all this became obscured on my memory by my read, years later, of both Russell's 'ABC of Relativity' and Einstein's 'The meaning of Relativity' -*you* should read them and you would probably wouldn't be asking this question.

    Once I got satisfied about special, I moved to the general starting also on"known" facts (taken by me as granted, back then): energy and mass are somehow equivalent (E=m*c^2) and gravity and acceleration look very much the same but can they in fact be set appart? (hint: gravitity looks "spherical" from the perspective of an observer under a heavy field). Oh, another interesting fact: there can also be black holes under newtonian physics, as long as C stands constant and nothing can run faster than light (in a vacuum -oh! and why does light runs faster in a vacuum than through transparent matter? does something can go faster than light -on said matter? Mr Cerenkov left a message).

    The fact is, that though you cannot *demonstrate* Einstein's Special or General theories of Relativity without advanced maths (you can't demonstrate Newton's either), you can *exhibit* them on a credible manner, specially the special one (pun intended), on a two dimensional field, just using basic geometry, so a child can have a grasp of them.

    1. Re:Wrong answer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Or do as my dad did when I asked him about Einstein and the theory of relativity at the same age (middle of the Cold War at that time - I only knew it had something to do with nukes and "ee equals emm see squared" somehow related matter and energy). He said it is a theory that only a handful of people really understand. From that point forward I was determined to understand it. Still working on becoming fluent - I'm an engineer, not a physicist, so it takes a while to become skilled at classical mechanics.

    2. Re:Wrong answer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      By your own account, your son is not asking you about relativity: he is asking why Einstein is so famous (and he is 9 year old).

      The proper answer is, then, because he ranked to the top of his field...

      I'll probably get modded into oblivion. But it's not clear to me that Einstein is famous because of his science, per se. There are plenty of other people who were/are arguably better scientists. And the idea that what we observe depends not just on our position but also on our velocity and acceleration (Lorentz transformations) was already in play before Einstien got into the game.

      Einstein was closely associated with the atomic bomb (E=mc^2) - which was a very big deal at that time. And Einstein was also Jewish at a time when Jewish people had just been persecuted with an unprecedented intensity - and when there was a feel-good, but wildly inaccurate, narrative that the USA had gotten involved in WWII to rescue the Jewish people from persecution.

      Essentially, Einstein represented the major events of the WWII era. That's not to say that he wasn't a talented scientist - just that he's not really famous because of his science, per se.

    3. Re:Wrong answer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      From there I moved to the "known fact" that nothing, and I mean NOTHING, can go faster than light in a vacuum

      Absolutely, your statement is false. You got it wrong, and I don't know why everyone seems to get this wrong, but your statement is false. What is known is that nothing can travel as fast as light in a vacuum. Nothing in Special nor General Relativity forbids traveling faster than light in a vacuum. The prohibition is matching the speed of light, because mass increases as you approach the speed of light, and infinite energy would be required to travel as fast as light. Exceeding the speed of light is not forbidden by any of Einstein's Theories.

    4. Re:Wrong answer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Perhaps say that science is about figuring out how the universe works in greater and greater detail, like peeling an onion.

      You never know if you are at the last layer.

      At a time when science though they were done, Einstein found more layers.
      This opened multiple new things to puzel over.
      Including a move from chemical to nuclear reactions which is why e=mc**2 is important.
      Including quantum mechanics which help understand things small like computer chips and way more.
      And relativity which gives us an understanding of things big like the universe as a whole.

      He really caused a big jump in our understanding of things.
      Then try something more concrete like dropping an apple, a simple chemical reaction, or bernulie demo.

    5. Re:Wrong answer by t14m4t · · Score: 1

      Concur. The question is "why is Einstein famous." The adult answer is that he was an inflection point in scientific progression, more than most other really famous scientists; the adolescent answer is that he single-handedly changed science.

      Basically:
      1. Aristotle invented science.
      2. Newton called shenanigans on Aristotle's work, and invented both correct science and the math to support it.
      3. Einstein changed the gears of the scientific community in ways we're still trying to figure out the details of. Einstein demonstrated that Newton was only correct in special cases (that happen to be our everyday experience), and that the Universe is really really weird once you get outside the special cases.

      weylin

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    6. Re:Wrong answer by turbidostato · · Score: 1

      "But it's not clear to me that Einstein is famous because of his science, per se."

      No, of course Einstein hasn't become a popular icon *only* because of his science.

      "There are plenty of other people who were/are arguably better scientists."

      Fame *never* has to do with how good one is at something alone. Even within the technical real (science, in this case) is not about how good but about how much impact, and Einstein's impact is tremendous: for one, he dwarved Newton's work, no less; but he also showed direct proof of brownian movement, he opened the door for quantum mechanics with his study on black body radiation, he was critical on A-bomb development, etc. Much of his work not only impacted the scientific community but inspired the layman too offering a new view of the Universe; he was also involved in politics *and* he was a bit weird looking (our mental image of a "scientist" today is basically "Einstein").

      "Einstein was closely associated with the atomic bomb (E=mc^2) - which was a very big deal at that time. And Einstein was also Jewish at a time when Jewish people had just been persecuted with an unprecedented intensity"

      That may help explaining his status today, but let's not forget that he was already basically a "rock start" back in the twenties and thirties (and he got his Nobel in 1921), long before A-bomb and Jewish issues.

      An anecdote (since I'm Spanish): Einstein traveled to Madrid in 1923 (you see, 1923!); his visit made in all newspapers, he was received by the Spanish king and it's said that a roasted chesnuts street seller (a poor, probably analphabet woman) recognized him and exclaim "Hail the automobile inventor!"

    7. Re:Wrong answer by turbidostato · · Score: 1

      I see you are in the mood of nitpicking, don't you?

      >> From there I moved to the "known fact" that nothing, and I mean NOTHING, can go faster than light in a vacuum
      >
      > Absolutely, your statement is false.

      So you know I didn't act that way? Because my statement is, please re-read "From there I moved to..." Your reading comprehension is not that great, is it? (see? I can nitpick too).

      And even taking the effort of understanding what you are talking about, didn't tell you nothing the fact that I put "known fact" between quotation marks?

      Now, going back to your assertions, it seems you read something but you didn't understand it enterily. Yes, there might be tachions, but still no mass can jump from speed A to speed B without acceleration, which in turn means that no mass can be moved from below speed of light to above speed of light (that's the meaning of "exceeding") without passing by speed of light -which no mass can do because it takes and infinite amount of energy. So, no, no-thing can go faster than light in vacuum.

      See? and that's even without needing to say that the negative result of the involved square root lacks physical meaning and can be dropped away, just like you do in any other acceleration problem, even on newtonian dynamics.

    8. Re:Wrong answer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      can't go faster != can't go as fast as

      It's a rather important distinction. But you are correct about my comprehension, though making this observation is a fallacious argument an ad hominem. Just accept and remember for next time, Relativity forbids anything with mass from going as fast as light in a vacuum. Speaking beyond this is talking about stuff we don't know about, and that is kind of a dumb thing to do, because you're smarter than that.

  42. This Book by WankerWeasel · · Score: 1

    I'd get them a copy of General Relativity For Babies. http://amzn.to/2Df5RKb I've also gotten my nephew Quantum Physics For Babies. The entire series is wonderful.

    1. Re:This Book by Polsar · · Score: 1

      I've found this series really excellent and both my 3 year old daughter and 8 year old nephew really enjoys it. I love hearing my daughter say "This Ball has Mass, Mass warps space!"

      I'd get them a copy of General Relativity For Babies.

      http://amzn.to/2Df5RKb

      I've also gotten my nephew Quantum Physics For Babies. The entire series is wonderful.

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  43. Soccer ball on a bedsheet by ClickOnThis · · Score: 1

    The earth pulls at you because it has a lot of mass. But how can the earth influence your body, pull your feet to the ground, without actually touching you? Why is it that one thing (the earth) can influence something else (you) without actually being connected?

    A famous analogy is a ball of modest mass (such as a soccer ball) held up by a stretched bedsheet, held firmly at both corners. The soccer ball dimples the bedsheet and induces a curvature around it. If you were to drop a smaller ball (such as a ball bearing) on the bedsheet, it would roll towards the soccer ball even though they don't touch each other. You could even get the smaller ball to "orbit" the larger one if you gave it just the right velocity in the right direction.

    The bedsheet is like spacetime: the presence of mass causes it to curve in such a way that other masses in its vicinity tend to be drawn towards them. I think that may be as far as you want to go with a 9-year-old without looking up lessons on the internet.

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    1. Re:Soccer ball on a bedsheet by ClickOnThis · · Score: 1

      held firmly at both corners

      Duh, at all four corners. Sorry.

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    2. Re:Soccer ball on a bedsheet by turbidostato · · Score: 1

      "...You could even get the smaller ball to "orbit" the larger one if you gave it just the right velocity in the right direction."

      Oh, but the little ball *always* end up going towards the big one, but I read the Moon is getting further from Earth with time, not nearer.

      And where do the Earth and the Moon rest upon? I can't see any stretched bedsheet beneath them -or are they elephants, all the way down?

      And what the hell has all this to do with Einstein? I thought Newton settled all that!

    3. Re:Soccer ball on a bedsheet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      held firmly at both corners

      Duh, at all four corners. Sorry.

      Well, GP was correct...for 2d space!

  44. C = Genius by thestuckmud · · Score: 2

    Explain that Einstein grew up in a time when physicists were looking for the materiel makeup of the universe, referred to as "ether", but they had so far failed to provide an explanation. Famously, the Michelsonâ"Morley experiment showed no changes in the speed of light moving in different directions, which makes no sense if Earth is moving through the ether.

    Einstein had the brilliance and audacity to reject common sense models of the universe and ask what would it be like if the speed of light really is constant: That the photons leaving a headlight on a moving train move at the same rate whether we measure them standing on the train or on a platform at the train station. From there, using wonderful "thought experiments," relativity was born.

    Next, you can introduce concepts like red/blue (doppler) shift, time dilation, and the effect acceleration has on changing otherwise invariant properties of physics (special relativity).

    I think it is informative to explain the awesome scope and mathematical complexity of general relativity, which re-imagined the universe as a four dimensional space-time whole. That even Einstein had welcome help with the mathematics. That today's physicists have yet to resolve this apparently correct theory of the large with quantum mechanics, the physics of the very small. And that black hole, which were only things of science fiction when I was a kid, offer the best promise of tying these together of anything in the cosmos.

    1. Re:C = Genius by NicknameUnavailable · · Score: 2

      Morley continued the experiments after the famous one you're referring to and found proof of a dynamic aether. They couldn't detect the aether in the famous Michelson-Morley experiment because the experiment was only designed to detect a static aether. Aether moves with matter, and likely causes inertia, it doesn't just act as some thing we are experiencing drag from (think trying to measure the wind while you're a feather being blown around by it and only able to "see" a few micrometers from the surface of the feather, you won't detect shit because it's moving with you.)

    2. Re:C = Genius by Actually,+I+do+RTFA · · Score: 1

      Einstein had the brilliance and audacity to reject common sense models of the universe and ask what would it be like if the speed of light really is constant

      A constant speed of light was proven over a decade before Einstein published. What he did was figure out how to reconcile that with other physics equations by dilating time and space to maintain the consistent equations.

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    3. Re:C = Genius by thestuckmud · · Score: 1

      My first thought on reading your post defending ether (aka aether) was "don't feed the trolls". The fact that observers moving at different velocities observe the same beam of light traveling at the same velocity (C) easily disproves classical notions of ether, dynamic or otherwise. In order to be consistent, your dynamic aether will have to obey exactly the space-timer warping properties of general relativity and thus cannont be detected or falsified.

      However, your comment raises a crucial point about physics: We have no freaking clue what truly underlies the universe. String theorists suggest we are holographically encoded on a brane a higher dimensional space. But not only do these proposed models seem more ridiculous that luminous aether, they are incomplete and untestable. The standard model is accurate and predictive, but also arbitrary - hinting that there must be something more fundamental. Neither explains gravity/relativity. Physics is still (or again) waiting for someone to find new unifying principles. And that is certainly something I would explain to a young scientist to be.

    4. Re:C = Genius by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The fact that observers moving at different velocities observe the same beam of light traveling at the same velocity (C) easily disproves classical notions of ether, dynamic or otherwise.

      The beam of light has the same speed... but not necessarily the same velocity.

    5. Re:C = Genius by NicknameUnavailable · · Score: 1

      My first thought on reading your post defending ether (aka aether) was "don't feed the trolls". The fact that observers moving at different velocities observe the same beam of light traveling at the same velocity (C) easily disproves classical notions of ether, dynamic or otherwise. In order to be consistent, your dynamic aether will have to obey exactly the space-timer warping properties of general relativity and thus cannont be detected or falsified.

      It was detected, you can induce motion in the aether and detect that. You still however have the issue that light isn't a thing in aether theory, it's a wave. E.g. there is no particle nature to light because it is an induction (but in the realm of the uncertainty principle you have a lot of waves creating a point object which in turn makes momentum unpredictable in relation to location at any fixed point in time.) In Morley's follow-on experiment he detected the aether by inducing motion with moving matter (much like an optical gyroscope, in fact it results in a different description for the same underlying effect when speaking of optical gyroscopes.) Think of it like sound waves: the speed of sound is fixed, that's why you get doppler shift. The speed of sound if fixed because of the properties of the medium sound propagates in, sound isn't a thing in itself but an inductive effect of the air or liquid or solid or plasma mediums described. Similarly light is an inductive effect of the aether, that's all aether theory says. The specific properties of the aether which make that possible are largely unexplored, but we know from Morely's follow-on experiment that the aether isn't static, it moves dynamically and in sync with matter (which seems to suggest there is a strong correlation between the properties and/or motion of the aether and of the matter we observe.)

      However, your comment raises a crucial point about physics: We have no freaking clue what truly underlies the universe. String theorists suggest we are holographically encoded on a brane a higher dimensional space. But not only do these proposed models seem more ridiculous that luminous aether, they are incomplete and untestable. The standard model is accurate and predictive, but also arbitrary - hinting that there must be something more fundamental. Neither explains gravity/relativity. Physics is still (or again) waiting for someone to find new unifying principles. And that is certainly something I would explain to a young scientist to be.

      Honestly, I believe we already have those "new" and unifying principles, but they got relegated to the realms of conspiracy and quackery because a few people decided the masses weren't ready for that much power in conjunction with a few other people deciding they could control it and gain power in the process (see the Copenhagen convention photo - everyone in the group photo looks disturbed, some with a look of guilt and others with a more devious look - they knew what they were doing.) The new unifying principles will be getting to the root of inertia as more than some intrinsic property of matter, the root of space as the underlying math (e.g. Pi is only Pi because of the ratio of a circle and the diameter of that circle, but more profoundly Pi is the infinite series (4/1)-(4/3)+(4/5)-(4/7)+(4/9)-(4/11)... - this itself looks a Hell of a lot like a mutual self-inductive effect or perhaps two counter-inductive effects - which seems to say something major about space, specifically that Euclidean space as we know it isn't just some arbitrary configuration but is the only thing geometrically possible to quantify these effects over [disregarding Minkowski spaces and such because they're really just convoluted Euclidean forms with some extra dimensions thrown in.]) Add in the fact that it has been proven a knot can only be tied in three dimensions (e.g. 1D-2D and you can at most make a spiral or loop, >3D and the knot can be untied without letting go of the ends) and you can start to s

    6. Re:C = Genius by NicknameUnavailable · · Score: 1

      The beam of light has the same speed... but not necessarily the same velocity.

      It doesn't even have the same speed. If it did you would see scattering instead of just diffraction when white light entered a prism or any other thing which retards the propagation rate. It's an inductive effect, not a thing in itself - that's why light seems to slow down in some materials like prisms (or in the extreme cases of BECs) without scattering. If it always had the same speed it wouldn't be able to be slowed down save for group velocity effects (all of which would cause scattering.)

  45. It is a fiction that we are not connected. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    From birth to death we are connected to planet Earth. If you think this is not true, try holding your breath for 15 minutes. There is nowhere we are not connected. That's real relativity.

  46. How to explain to a child? Ask another child. by Shane+McEwan · · Score: 1

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mnJuKXhFaQ8

  47. Speed Of Light by Zorro · · Score: 1

    Universes Speed Limit, do not exceed.

    1. Re:Speed Of Light by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, the speed limit isn't the speed of light, it's just that light is one of the few things that can travel as fast as that limit.

  48. Start with a centrifuge, continue with yourube by shoor · · Score: 1

    For General relativity anyway. It always bothered me when I was thinking about gravity that it was supposed to be 'acceleration' and acceleration always seemed to imply speeding something up, giving it energy. Then I remembered that a centrifuge has a gravity like force but it doesn't expend energy.

    The other thing, browse youtube videos together with your son, see which ones seem to work for him, maybe with some explanation from you.

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  49. The classic book: Mr. Tompkins by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  50. Sagan by JBMcB · · Score: 2

    Outsource it to Carl Sagan:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

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    1. Re:Sagan by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?... I thought this was... well maybe not right for someone who's 9, but still a really good way to represent the issue clearly. Nine year olds could definitely get the idea of moving through time, and once you have them, the rest of this guy's explanation would be pretty digestible too, provided whoever is explaining it also understands it clearly.

  51. Not just E=mc^2... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In fact, if you're trying to explain how 'energy, mass and gravity' work it's not E=mc^2 that is the important starting point at all.

    First, you don't explain to someone that 'gravity pulls on you'...there is no 'pull' on you at all as there is no force 'pulling' on you. that is 'old school Newtonian physics' with 'spooky action at a distance'...which works well enough on the earth but isn't reality and you significantly complicate how to explain Einstein's Theory of General Relativity to a child. So, taking energy out of this for a second, a massive object like the earth sits in 4 dimensional space-time & curves space-time such that any object passing close enough to that curvature will follow a curved path through it. This is purely a geometrical question. Now 4-d space-time is a very tough concept but there's easy examples you can use to demonstrate the concept, some may even be fun. For example you could show your son a video of a roulette wheel & the ball going around until it slows sufficiently to 'fall in'. You can make a large bowl of Jello & put a large ball in it to represent the earth & then use marbles to show how they 'fall in' towards the ball (eat the Jello afterwards just for fun). Use a big enough rubber sheet, ball & marbles, do the same as with the Jello... don't eat the rubber sheet, that's not fun. There are any number of ways to do this but the important point is that there is NO 'force of gravity' as in some spooky 'action at a distance' phenomenon, it is purely a 'geometrical' question.

    You may think of Einstein being famous for 'E=mc^2' but that is simply a natural outcome of the much deeper observation that the 'speed of light is an absolute'. If you don't want to go in to the effects on time (dilation), length (contraction), acceleration (goes to zero) & mass (goes up) just to get back to how Energy is also related to gravity. Just tell him to accept that mass & energy are equivalent based on the E=mc^2 equation. And since a mass can curve space-time then energy can too.

    So really, Einstein is 'famous' for the observations that there is no 'force of gravity' its just a curvature of space-time & that 'the speed of light is a constant', all other consequences of these two vastly game changing thoughts fall out of the math. O and if you really want to blow his mind you tell him Einstein didn't even get a Noble prize for either of these earth shattering observations, he got his Noble Prize for the Theory of Brownian Motion & experiments demonstrating that atoms 'exist'...you can even do the experiment easily enough & ask your son to try to explain what's going on...get a clear glass, some clean oil (cooking or fuel), a 'seed' from some plant that is small enough to be suspended in the oil...then ask him to watch it for a few minutes or maybe an hour & ask him 'why is the seed moving?' (especially as it will move in seemingly random directions & distances)..the only 'logical' explanation is 'something we can't see is pushing on it...if he doesn't quite 'get' that there must be atoms running in to the seed from all directions with random force & direction get a box of those plastic balls used in plastic ball bits...move around him quickly and randomly & throw the balls at him...have him note he's moving...ipso facto 'atoms' that we think of as 'balls' much smaller than the seed must be running in to the seed in the same way...the math to show this is actually more complicated (in my opinion) than deriving special relativity because for the former you have to know all kinds of shit about statistics, for the latter you just need to know 'v=d/t + v0' & ask yourself 'what happens if v is always a constant even if v0 changes?', you then just have to get your head around/accept that 'd & t must change'...I don't know if you'd want to let your 9 year old son smoke weed but it helps 'accept' the latter. :-) (just joking).

  52. as a confused failed theory with flawed math. by danda · · Score: 1
  53. Einstein's Dreams by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I agree with previous comments about being famous.
    If he is interested, try reading some chapters out of Einstein's Dreams by Alan Lightman.

    www.roma1.infn.it/exp/.../A.%20Lightman%20-%20Einstein%27s%20Dreams.pdf

  54. Explain meme to him by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Gravitation is fact, yet no one understands the mechanism behind gravity.

    Einstein is famous because his ideas break intuition. Light only goes one speed, it's the fastest speed, you can't go that speed, light always goes that speed relative to your speed.

    I think the most important thing you can do though is not present physics as fact, but impart the idea that this is the best understanding we have come up with, and through experimentation and an open mind maybe we can improve our understanding so we can build giant space robots.

  55. Hand them the complete and all rules... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    used to transform it into the final equation.

    Tell them here you go, here is a stack of textbooks, and when you can get from (A) to e=mc^2, get back to me, because I've always wondered how all that stuff worked :D

    Give kids a nudge in the right direction and enough time and they can solve anything, if they have the interest and patience. Help them if they get stuck, but otherwise get out of their way.

  56. Einstein Disagrees by BlazeMiskulin · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough.""
    -- Albert Einstein

    1. Re:Einstein Disagrees by raftpeople · · Score: 5, Funny

      I'd like to see Einstein explain bitcoin to his grandma.

    2. Re:Einstein Disagrees by im_thatoneguy · · Score: 1

      So how did Einstein simply explain his life's work?

    3. Re:Einstein Disagrees by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 2

      So how did Einstein simply explain his life's work?

      Special and General Relativity, explained very clearly. Albert was a good writer, and could explain concepts intuitively. Hundreds of books have been written about relativity, but this book was one of the first, and still may be the best.

    4. Re:Einstein Disagrees by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That comment was SAVAGE.

    5. Re: Einstein Disagrees by raftpeople · · Score: 1

      Grandm: "So the gold is in the computer? who put it there?"

    6. Re:Einstein Disagrees by divide+overflow · · Score: 1

      Please provide the source of your attribution...my preliminary search leads me to believe this quote is misattributed to Einstein.

    7. Re: Einstein Disagrees by kcelery · · Score: 1

      Except, there wasn't any computer for him to explain.
      Internet was army's biggest secret.
      Blockchain could only be handled by telegraph or pigeons. Either way .. you know.
      To dig up a Bitcoin by hand may be to only option.
      As a guy tried to ELI5 the hashing by hand. People joked about the Bitcoin might worth over a million dollars.

    8. Re:Einstein Disagrees by thegarbz · · Score: 4, Funny

      I'd like to see Einstein explain bitcoin to his grandma.

      It's a tulip made of numbers! And my grandma loves tulips so she would be an early bitcoin adopter.

    9. Re:Einstein Disagrees by dhaen · · Score: 1

      "If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough."" -- Albert Einstein

      You mean like Feynman being asked to explain how magnetism works? https://www.youtube.com/watch?... Nothing becomes simple until the complex bases are understood.

    10. Re:Einstein Disagrees by Talderas · · Score: 1

      If I remember correctly he used passing trains and got people to imagine a bicycle as if they could go faster.

      --
      "Lack of speed can be overcome. In the worst case by patience." --Znork
    11. Re: Einstein Disagrees by michelcolman · · Score: 1

      It's only a matter of time before someone invents a pigeon coin based on RFC 1149

    12. Re:Einstein Disagrees by michelcolman · · Score: 1

      And since the copyrights have expired, you can download the text for free by googling the title with "pdf" behind it.

      This was indeed the first book I read that actually made me understand relativity. All the others, while trying to simplify things, ended up oversimplifying so even a twelve year old (which I was when I started reading about it) could find the contradictions.

      For example, from one of the "wrong" books: a spaceship is passed by a laser beam, we measure the speed of the light beam as c relative to us, so it's less than c relative to the spacecraft, but inside the ship they do measure c relative to themselves, therefore time is passing more slowly for them. To which my 12 year old brain immediately reacted with "what if they look at a different laser beam that's going the other way?"

      Einstein explained things properly but in a way I could still understand. All the pieces came together perfectly and I finally understood. And I wondered why nobody else could explain it that way.

  57. Just watch out for that A-hole Schrodinger... by Grog6 · · Score: 1

    He does terrible things to Cats!

    --
    Truth isn't Truth - Guliani
    1. Re:Just watch out for that A-hole Schrodinger... by chadenright · · Score: 1

      He may or may not have done terrible things to cats, you don't really know until you open the box.

    2. Re:Just watch out for that A-hole Schrodinger... by Grog6 · · Score: 1

      Stuffing a cat in a box is bad enough; but radioactives and Cyanide? C'mon! :)

      --
      Truth isn't Truth - Guliani
  58. Don't bother by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Just do what most Americans do and teach them about Jesus

  59. acceleration CAPTCHA: reposed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Just tell him that gravity is equivalent to acceleration. As to what is accelerating, tell him that the ghost of himself is accelerating away from him and that the force of gravity the boy feels is the acceletation the ghost would feel, if it could feel anything.

  60. It isn't just relativity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There are several reason's he's famous:

    - His "miracle year". In 1900 he published four groundbreaking papers or different subjects while working as a patent clerk. This is one of the few cases of a person working alone created completely independent ideas. These all turned out to be accurate, but were purely theoretical (done with no actual experimentation).
    - One of those papers was on Special Relativity (the physics of objects moving very fast, but ignoring gravity or acceleration). It was a different way of thinking about the universe (that the speed of light is the same to everyone but size/distance and time change if you're moving close to the speed of light). I didn't hurt that it came with a sound bite that let people feel like they could understand part of it (E=mc^2). This video does a pretty good job of explaining Special Relativity https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mnJuKXhFaQ8
    - Another paper was on the photoelectric effect (what makes digital cameras and solar panels work). This is actually what he got a Nobel prize for, not Relativity. This is what led to a lot of work in quantum mechanics.
    - We live in a world of big slow moving things. In one year he expanded our understanding of fast moving things, and tiny things. It took many years to confirm his ideas, but it all happened due to the power of one person's brain. This is sort of an ideal for physicists.
    - Later he published a paper on General Relativity, (with gravity and acceleration), which led to even more changes in how physicists thought about the Universe.
    - He published over 300 other physics papers on quite a range or topics.
    - Throughout his life he did a lot to encourage and promote other young physicists with new ideas, which also helped physics progress more quickly.

  61. Plagerism by NicknameUnavailable · · Score: 1

    Just start with Minkowski, Lorentz, Riemann, Gauss, and Mach. Start with their work and move on from there. Also maybe learn you're an idiot for trying to make your normal kid into a genius, people aren't equal, they are either smart enough to get there on their own by that age or they're normal (though if your genes played into it, the kid might be retarded.)

  62. But General Relativity is not necessarily true by cjonslashdot · · Score: 1

    Best to tell him that all we have is theories - but that we don't really know. For example, there have been many proposed alternatives to General Relativity. The most intriguing IMO is Erik Verlinde's. Note that the predictions of GR have been verified within long ranges and large masses (but not short ranges and small masses), but the interpretation of curved spacetime is not proven - it is just a mathematical construct that fits the observations. Also, Special Relativity postulates some things that are not proven - only the effects are proven. Even quantum mechanics postulates a foundational equation ("operator correspondence") that is just a guess that works. Bottom line: we don't really know. I strongly recommend the book Doubt and Certainty, by George Sudarshan and Tony Rothman - in that book you will see how little we really know. Tell you son that we have guesses that work, but don't know how the Universe is truly constructed.

    1. Re:But General Relativity is not necessarily true by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      His theories aren't true. They were concocted to erase the Michelson-Morley experiment, which found that Earth doesn't move.

      It doesn't move, because it is flat. The eclipses prove it.

      Solar Eclipse: https://vimeo.com/230976895
      Light of the chromosphere can be observed on the back of the moon. Allais Effect
      Lunar Eclipse: https://vimeo.com/92378881
      Shadow is black, then changes color to reddish.
      Next lunar eclipse: January 30/31, 2018 mid-to-west North America

  63. Tell Him... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Tell him "for several reasons, but here is one of the big reasons":

    Tell him that Einstein figured that matter and energy are different forms of the same thing. And then see where the conversation goes from there. Young children often just want a starter, an entry point for understanding.

    If you want to go further, maybe talk about Einstein's role as a cultural symbol. Einstein was one of the most approachable scientists and had a real accessible sense of humour. That famous picture of him sticking his tongue out is a good symbol of all that. How many scientists would do that? He also had a gift for explaining things simply even when the implications were deep.

  64. Re: Used to explain it easily to a 3 year old by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What the fuck is wrong with you, just go outside and take a closer look at retarded towelheads terrorists roaming the streets.

  65. Another way of looking at it by rraylion · · Score: 1

    Einstein changed the way we looked at gravity. Because before we thought of it in a very 'Newtonian' way. That gravity simply pulls us and that works for simple examples. But Einstein's gravity is not like that at all. Einstein gave us gravity as a function of geometry, and if you google 'blackhole space curve' and look at the images you will understand. Gravity creates a hole and if you are near/close to it you fall in. The falling is gravity, it changes the vector for an object at rest in a given location based on the mass of nearby objects.The physical Earth is in the way of us falling to the core so we simply stand on it, but the pressure in the core of all the mass on earth trying to squeeze lower is huge. -- This may lead to other questions but those are trivial and left as a exercise to the reader. ;-)

  66. Use your imagination by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Tell him gravity is like that annoying little girl who won't leave him alone and follows him around wherever he goes like she's pulled towards him.

    Tell him time slows down when moving fast like that long drive to Grandma's that seems to take forever, but speeds up when you're standing still like when you're waiting at the bathroom door to pee and wet your pants before you know it.

    Tell him every time he picks his nose a puppy dies. I threw this last one in for free...

  67. Einstein was famous because... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Einstein was famous because in 1905 he wrote five papers that changed how we think about the world around us. A few years later (1915) he wrote another yet paper that did this again.

    The first paper describes how light moves around in tiny units of energy, and that even though it might have more or less energy, it always goes the same speed. With the right amount of energy, this packet of light (we now call photons) can knock electrons out of their orbits. This is related to how modern digital cameras work, as well as solar panels, and is called the photoelectric effect.

    The second paper described how Brownian motion works, which is how tiny particles wiggle around seeming randomly in liquids. The answer Einstein came up with was that they were being hit by even tinier particles (atoms or molecules), that are moving around even faster, but are so much more tiny that they are not directly observed.

    The third paper describes how the laws of physics appear to give you the same results no matter how fast or what direction you are moving, and how space and time are connected. This completely goes against what Newton's physics describe, but the math involved gets rather complicated. This is now called special relativity.

    The fourth paper describes how a little bit of mass is the equivalent of a lot of energy. Previously it was thought that you could change the form that matter was in (like burning some paper), but you could never change the total mass involved. Understanding what keeps our sun shining comes from this paper.

    The 1915 paper is about general relativity, and gives a very accurate account as to how gravity works. Strange things like gravity waves, black holes, how gravity can bend light, and why orbits of planets are not exactly eclipses all come out of this paper.

    These crazy ideas which turned out all to be true, and the fact that he had really wild hair and a mustache, and that very few people could really understand what he was thinking made him very famous.

    1. Re:Einstein was famous because... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The first paper describes how light moves around in tiny units of energy, and that even though it might have more or less energy, it always goes the same speed. With the right amount of energy, this packet of light (we now call photons) can knock electrons out of their orbits. This is related to how modern digital cameras work, as well as solar panels, and is called the photoelectric effect.

      This explained the basis of the quanta phenomena observed in resolving the blackbody radiation problem and gave a real kick to the new field of quantum mechanics. It's also what Einstein won his Nobel Prize for.

      The fourth paper describes how a little bit of mass is the equivalent of a lot of energy. Previously it was thought that you could change the form that matter was in (like burning some paper), but you could never change the total mass involved. Understanding what keeps our sun shining comes from this paper.

      And this laid the theoretical groundwork for nuclear weapons.

  68. Annus mirabilis by langmick · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I would ask my nephew that when he was around that age, he starts at MIT next year at 16. I would explain to him that in one year, Albert Einstein changed the face of the world, and made all our lives better. He used his imagination to do it. He wasn't the best mathematician, in face, there were better ones hot on his heels, but he had the ability to imagine how little things work as well as the entire universe. He then set out to prove it. I think kids respond to encouraging their creativity with stories like Einstein's and how he built his ideas on other's ideas. Exposing them to Julius Sumner Miller, Brian Greene and Richard Feynman is also a lot of fun, because they had lots of fun with science. I enjoy talking to kids about science, and seeing their eyes light up. These videos are pretty good. https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

  69. PBS Space Time (youtube) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'd first give the child a link to
      https://www.youtube.com/channe...

    Seriously, that is the best advice I can give you.

  70. Re: Mental Sandbagging by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Einstein is 'famous' so you are not tempted to have doubts about his theories.

    If you discover his theories aren't true, the Earth suddenly is flat.

    Space is fake. The Earth is flat. The eclipses prove it. Watch one in 12 days.

    Solar Eclipse: https://vimeo.com/230976895
    Light of the chromosphere can be observed on the back of the moon. Allais Effect
    Lunar Eclipse: https://vimeo.com/92378881
    Shadow is black, then changes color to reddish.
    Next lunar eclipse: January 30/31, 2018 mid-to-west North America

  71. relatively a rock star by k6mfw · · Score: 1

    ok so I'm having fun with the word... Maybe the situation of how he attained a "rock star" status. He presented new theories that got attention from all the best scientists around the world. Some of that will get into regular media. He promoted peace, he had that charm that attracted lots of ladies, his attitude was playful brilliance (didn't bother to have neat haircut and wear snooty suits like many other eggheads). Everyone recognizes the famous equation, much less understand what it means. I read someplace number of people that really know the General Theory of Relativity is about 20 (I assume these people can do the math and have intuitive feel for it).

    --
    mfwright@batnet.com
  72. lets ask the great one by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Richard Feynman, the late Nobel Laureate in physics, was once asked by a Caltech faculty member to explain why spin one-half particles obey Fermi Dirac statistics. Rising to the challenge, he said, "I'll prepare a freshman lecture on it." But a few days later he told the faculty member, "You know, I couldn't do it. I couldn't reduce it to the freshman level. That means we really don't understand it."

  73. Re: Used to explain it easily to a 3 year old by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The only people terrorising the population around here are redneck militia-wannabes.

  74. Present Relativity Theory In Chronological Order by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The history of the evolution of the mathematics used to describe special relativity is interesting, if only because it shows how many brilliant people were close, but not quite right, for several decades.

    It also shows the exchange of ideas that was occurring amongst the parties involved in the search.

    It's kind of imposing for a 9-year-old to be shown something like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... - but I agree with others that introducing your child to e=mc2 is not a bad place to start.

    If your 9-year-old can multiply, it is enormously empowering to know that one can do real physics, just like Einstein, with just multiplication. Defining 'energy', 'mass', 'the speed of light', 'constants', and 'variables' can come later.

    ~childo

  75. Don't, find someone better by shufflingb · · Score: 1

    So as a non-musician if I was trying to explain why a particular piece of music was brilliant would my first thoughts really be that the best thing I could do would be to attempt to sing or hum it to the unlucky victim? Similarly, as someone who is neither a physicist or educator should I really think that I might be the best person to explain Special Relativity and its consequences? Instead, might it not be a better approach to work through one or two existing high quality resources with them?

    I'm sure there are others, but in terms of a recommendation I found the Cox and Forshaw book "Why Does E=mc^2 (And Why Should We Care?)" https://www.goodreads.com/book... good. I also think it could possibly be something that a bright 9 yr old might enjoy reading and understanding with their dad.

  76. The space doctor's big idea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    https://www.newyorker.com/tech/elements/the-space-doctors-big-idea-einstein-general-relativity

  77. I Tried Explaining Simultaneity to a Millenial by Crashmarik · · Score: 1

    Was literally a case where he had to be forced to unlearn what he knew that was wrong. It was funny in many ways I had trotted out animations showing reference frames shifting but he was thoroughly stuck on a Newtonian space time but could accept time dilation without realizing it's just another dimension.

    Probably would have had an easier time with a 9 year old. If they could grasp the concept of the Lorenz Transformation the rest follows easily.

  78. Automate parenting by Tablizer · · Score: 1

    "Hey kid, here's Google..."

  79. TV/Movies to the rescue by wonkavader · · Score: 1

    Watch the old Carl Sagan Cosmos episodes together.

    And you could 1985 "Insignificance." https://www.youtube.com/watch?...
    But watch that on your own, for pointers.

  80. Mercury by bidule · · Score: 1

    Show him the failure point of Newton.

    Tell him about Mars, Venus, Jupiter and how they follow orbital mechanics. Tell him how by noticing small errors in movement they were able to find Neptune (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neptune#Discovery). Tell him they noticed the same thing for Mercury but couldn't find any new planet to explain it. Tell him why: Mercury is so close to the Sun that time slows down.

    Then, tell him about GPS and how those very precise clocks are faster than the ones on Earth. Without Einstein, we couldn't have a GPS.

    --
    ID: the nose did not occur naturally, how would we wear glasses otherwise? (apologies to Voltaire)
  81. It depends by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It depends on what concepts the 9 year old can wrap their head around. If it were Trump, I wouldnâ(TM)t bother.

  82. without actually touching you by holophrastic · · Score: 1

    I think it's a fair thing to say that nothing can interact with another thing without "touching" it. I think that's the very point -- just because you don't see it, nor feel it, doesn't mean that there isn't some mechanism of contact.

    "How things are connected" is easy when it's strings and cups -- indeed, the traditional string-and-cups telephone is easily experienced, understood, and built by a five-year old.

    But "how things are connected" when the cups are you and a planet, and the string is invisible and you can walk through it, now that's a mighty different game. That said, the players are the same. Bigger cups, thinner strings.

    So that's the space where I'd describe most famous physicists living. Things interact because they are connected. That's the easy part. But it's about how those things are connected. That's often the very spooky part!

    The thing is that it's not just a physics thing. Every problem-solving professional lives in a solution space that's all about how things are connected. Plumbing is all about interactive connections. So is network programming. So is telecom, and social conversation.

    You and I are connected right now, through a highly latent, very long distance, overly abstracted connection. And yet, as far apart as we are, my finger touches a plastic key, that ultimately touches a contact which in turn touches (and diverts) an electron that ultimately produces a relay-race of electrons that reach the lightbulb in your monitor, that propels a photon directly into your eye.

    It's really cool that my fingertip is capable of shoving a photon into your eyeball. It's certainly the result of a great many connections -- but each one of them is definitely direct contact.

    (you're going to give me the poetic licence to say that waves (radio, compression, sound, et cetera) are the result of contact at the particle or molecular level)

    And so, I'm going to further say that electromagnetism, and quantum entanglement, and other spooky actions at distances are also the result of contact, simply contact that we've not yet discerned. Perhaps we're back to strings? Maybe they're looped?

  83. Gravity by Vrallis · · Score: 1

    I'd consider just covering more detail of gravity. If you can get some volunteers to stretch out a bedsheet and place some balls of varying masses on it, then roll smaller balls around them that may help 'set the stage' for future concepts. I'd cover the Einstein aspect by just saying he figured out a lot of *how* gravity works and its effects. Give it a couple years to get into special relativity and such.

    If they are interested in games, get them to try out Kerbal. Great way to really get to understand how gravity 'works' in relation to space travel.

  84. I was 8 or 9 or so when I learned about Relativity by flajann4415 · · Score: 1

    Not even sure the exact age, but quite early on. I used to play a lot with the Lorentz equations, seeing how much my mass would increase the closer I got to the speed of light, or how thin I would appear, etc. It was great fun. And I've explained Relativity to my own kids at younger ages. Maybe I didn't get into the math behind it as much, but, you know, many feed their kids all of these fantastic fairy tales, when actual reality itself can and is more bizarre than any fairy tale -- and actually is reality, after all.

  85. Not actually Einstein, but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    “When you sit with a nice girl for two hours you think it’s only a minute, but when you sit on a hot stove for a minute you think it’s two hours. That’s relativity.”

  86. Simplicity. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And quite often, as we understand things better, they do actually become simpler - the move from Aristotle to Kepler and Newton made the solar system a lot simpler.

    As we understand more, things become simpler. I've just worked 6 months on a problem. When I finally solved it, it seemed obvious leaving me wondering why it took me so long.

    Einstein once said something like "The question is not if the universe is as complicated as we imagine, but can we imagine how complicated it is." Perhaps this is the same as "Can we imagine how simple the universe actually is?"

    1. Re: Simplicity. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Douglas Adams, HHGTTG:

      There is a theory which states that if ever anyone discovers exactly what the Universe is for and why it is here, it will instantly disappear and be replaced by something even more bizarre and inexplicable. - There is another theory which states that this has already happened.

  87. Best video I've seen made by a high school girl by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mnJuKXhFaQ8&feature=youtu.be

  88. Start with something easier.... by peterofoz · · Score: 1

    like the eternal mysteries of how coat hangers multiply in the closet and why socks always disappear in the dryer.

  89. Missing that Einstein was the last by nevermindme · · Score: 1

    Talking to people who actually met the man I got the image Einstein is not only great because of theoretical mind, communication skills or persona with the press. He shared and encouraged others to go far beyond his discoveries with every conversation, every letter, and every coauthorship.

    Most people seem to be missing the major point, Einstein was the last of the classical physics school and the first of the quantum school. In modern sports terms, he changed the game and set the precedent for being brilliant and scientifically open in the modern world. And when I say game, I mean every one of physical sciences of the 20th century has a tie back to one of his two papers.

    General Relativity is the end point of classical physics, it was due about the time Albert published. General relativity was the endpoint of the enlightenment, inevitable conclusion involving scalars, Maxwells Equations, newtons calculus, and gauge theory.

    Near nothing in classical physics describes accurately the photoelectric effect on the photon hitting a conductive surface knocking off one or more free electrons in units or quants of energies. Expermentalists had led the way, Einstein seemly described the theory effortlessly. In the years from first publication of photoelectric effect to shell states an atom, describing the geometry of chemistry, was mature in less than 15 years.

    Both papers were backed up by solid observation within 15 years so by his late 40s had two games changer papers very few theoretical misses in the meantime with his other endeavors. He immigrated to the US at the time basic science became the basis of a nation becoming a superpower.

    Not many people get to participate in the end of the road of the basis for classical physics, and the starting of quantum physics. Einstein was one of the primary figures of both, did it out of obscurity while underemployed and published both papers, provided a credible defense of both in less than 5 months in 1905. Then most of all was open and giving in the support who took the quantum out of his hands and moved it far forward of Einstein's abilities.

    In the era of 1930-1949 he supported fully, through support filled letters and editing, suggestions people who eclipsed his mathematical and theoretical acumen for publication. There were many personalities in the same time period that were quite diffrent from that.

  90. Because he changed human.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...understanding of how the Universe works arguably more than any other human.

    That's the answer to the question "Why is Einstein famous" the summary is asking us to explain how to answer the next anticipated question...Which would likely be "What do you mean he changed our understanding of how the Universe works?"..

    To which the response is "Before Einstein everyone, including all the smartest people in the world, believed the speed of something had no upper bound, after Einstein we now know the maximum speed anything can travel is the speed of light which is a constant."

    "As well before Einstein everyone, including all the smartest people in the world, believed in an unseen force of gravity that we could measure but not see or explain what it really was. After Einstein we now know that there is no such thing as a mysterious and spooky 'force of gravity' but that all objects bend a thing called space-time something like bending the tarp on a trampoline when you stand on it. And what we think of as gravity is just the way other objects move in this bend and appear to 'fall' towards eachother."

    Now, that may lead to many more questions or none at all until sometime later. Best not to anticipate what you think your child wants to know when asking a question beyond what was asked and just answer the question. That may result in more questions and just answer them, or your child may just run off, think about what you said, including if he wants to be famous and remembered that one way is to change how all of humans view their Universe, and he could do it since one man named Einstein did it. Your child may run off to investigate what it means that nothing can travel faster then the speed of light....and then the REAL hard question may be asked "Why can't anything travel faster than the speed of light."

    The true answer is "we don't really know that's true" but Einstein showed how the more energy you give something, say by pushing it faster and faster, the heavier it gets, and the heavier it gets the harder it is to push, like the difference between pushing you and your big ass mother. Eventually there's not enough energy in the Universe to push it faster and this happens before the object gets to the speed of light, or really actually just at the speed of light."

    If your child wants to know why u said his mother has a big ass...well I'll leave the "correct" answer to others.

    1. Re:Because he changed human.... by Cederic · · Score: 1

      Yeah, maybe I'm underestimating nine year olds but I'd go for something like:

      Einstein is famous because he was bloody intelligent, did a lot of thinking about stuff nobody had thought about before, and shared his thoughts with people. They found this useful, thanked him for it and invited him to lots of parties.

  91. Read them a book by jemmyw · · Score: 1

    Specifically this one: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/1567832.The_Time_and_Space_of_Uncle_Albert

  92. Gauge bosons by TheSync · · Score: 1

    To understand how forces act as a distance, you have to understand gauge bosons (aka exchange particles). The Standard Model of Physics defines these for the electromagnetic interaction, the weak interaction, and the strong interaction. It is highly believed that there are gauge bosons of gravity as well (called gravitons) but this has not been proven yet.

    Elementary particles interact with each other by the exchange of gauge bosons, usually as virtual particles.

    For more info see this web page and for tons of detail see this video.

    The first gauge boson theory, quantum electrodynamics for the electromagnetic field, was the work of Dirac in 1927. It did use some work by Bose and Einstein on the statistics of photons though.

  93. It might actually be eaiser by Phil+Karn · · Score: 1

    I don't think it would be as hard as you might think PROVIDED you really understood it yourself. Of course, this applies to anything you wish to teach to anyone.

    The problem with relativity is that it is so counter intuitive to everyday experience and to the classical physics you've been taught that you have to unlearn much of it first. That may make it easier for younger people to understand -- they don't have as much to overcome as they would later.

    Like most EEs, I was taught classical electromagnetism, first in high school, then in lower level undergraduate physics, and finally in much more detail in junior level EE school classes. We were also taught relativity, but as a separate topic within physics. Had I been taught relativity first, and then been taught electromagnetism in the relativistic way I think it would have actually have been easier and more satisfying. I would have learned that there really isn't such a thing as "magnetism"; what we see as magnetism is really just the electrostatic force as affected by special relativity (and some quantum mechanics). I would have readily understood why there are no magnetic monopoles, for example. And it would have shown me how every field in physics is related to every other, in fact that there really is only one "physics".

  94. Maxwell's Equations by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Maxwell formulated the laws connecting electricity and magnetism.
    They involve the speed of light c and should be the same to two observers
    in constant relative motion. Einstein realized that the associated contradictions,
    and there were many, disappear if all observers measure the same value for c.

  95. use Einstein's description by Goldsmith · · Score: 1

    Of course you should teach kids stuff like this; it's 100 year old science. At some point kids need to be learning these concepts or the weight of science that needs to be learned as an adult will be too large.

    I would start with a small adaptation of the description that Einstein uses to describe relativity to non-scientists:

    When you're in a car, and you speed up, what do you feel? What do you feel when it stops? Imagine you're in a car (or roller coaster, or rocket ship) that is always speeding up really, really strongly, all the time. You could speed up so much that the back of the car (roller coaster, rocket ship) feels just like the ground. You could even stand up like it was the floor. Einstein is famous for figuring out that if that happens, the back of the car really is just like the ground. People used to think it was just a trick or a coincidence, but it turns out there's no difference, actually. That changed a lot of what people thought about science.

    If the kid understands that, give them a good translation of Einstein's book to read.

  96. Juggalos by bugs2squash · · Score: 1

    First play him some insane clown posse and then get a couple of long wires and show him how a magnet works.

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  97. fake news by bugs2squash · · Score: 4, Funny

    I once read an account of a thought experiment where there are a line of cows side by side with their noses all touching a long, straight fence. The farmer attaches an electric fence shocker to one end of the fence and it makes all the cows jump as they feel the shock.

    The farmer sees the cows jump one after the other as the electricity reaches each nose

    But to a visitor from a nearby city, who happens to be standing at the other end of the fence at the time, the cows all seem to jump up in unison, since the light bringing the image of the far cow arrives at the same time as the electricity arrives to shock the nearest cow.

    When the farmer and the passerby meet they find they have different first hand accounts of the same events, proving to the farmer that city folk are ignorant of country ways, and proving to the city slicker that country folk tell tall stories

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    Nullius in verba
  98. As a father of 5 by FeelGood314 · · Score: 1

    I've had my kids watch the TV shows Eureka https://www.youtube.com/watch?... before they were 9. So my kids already new what force, energy and mass were. It makes having these discussions much easier.

    E=mc^2 makes sense if they know what energy is and they understand the units

    relativity needs a lot of math to explain properly but I think I did a better job with my youngest son. The speed of light is actually the speed of causality. Every observer sees this speed the same even if they are moving relative to each other. I then give the example of a rocket trying to travel to the nearest star. The star is 4 light years away. The first ship takes 6 years to get there. We build a second ship that goes twice as fast. To the observer on earth the ship takes just over 4 years to get there. The person in the ship though gets there in 3 years according to his watch. However the person in the ship has a meter stick and he measures the distance and discovers it wasn't 4 light years, it was a little less than 3 light years. So his measured speed was still less than the speed of light because relative to him the distance decreased.

  99. Start with gravity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    My girls were interested in Einstein around same age. I'm an engineer but have always been fascinated so dug in more. These things reflect a 9-year olds comprehension but I believe are more or less accurate.

    1. Gravity is not a force. It is space bending around large masses, like the earth. Imagine the path of a baseball thrown in a straight line on a sheet of graph paper. Now imagine graph grid becoming curved down, so that the baseball comes back down to earth. The "proof" is you can't feel gravity if you are falling (an accelerometer won't detect it like an applied force). It also makes sense because what kind of force would become more in proportion to mass, to produce the same acceleration for any object?

    2. Things going near the speed of light actually become smaller and travel slower in time compared to you. And to that thing, you are going the speed of light so your time and size do the same. You can actually "travel forward in time" if got near the speed of light in a spaceship and came back to earth, everyone else would be older. But you can't travel backward in time. Einstein figured this out in order to make sense of experiments that shows light always has the same speed no matter the speed of the object it comes off.

    3. Einstein proved the existence of atoms based on the way a drop of ink moves in glass of water, by showing that invisible water atoms constantly bouncing off "ink" atoms mathematically produces the same motion.

    4. E=mc2 means a thing gets "heavier" the closer it gets to the speed of light, so it would require infinite force to accelerate any object with mass to the speed of light.

    "Einstein for Beginners" and "Astrophysics for people in a hurry" would be great reads when they're a little older.

  100. Lets do the time warp again! by TiggertheMad · · Score: 2

    Read him: Flatland: A Romance of Many Dimensions. Its an old novella that got rediscovered when Al was becoming famous, because it had a 2d dimensional characters that discover a 3d world, and many of the ideas also could be extended to thinking about being a 3d entity living in 4th dimensional space-time.

    He can wait until 4th grade before you show him the field equations and teach him PDEs....

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  101. Comparing to a magnet by Flu · · Score: 1

    When my daughter was asking how people could stand on the "downside" of the earth, I compared the earth and stuff to magnets. The larger the objects, the stronger magnet. We never got into energy, but I would compare energy to velocity: Throwing a piece of pebble at someone hurts. The harder (=faster) it's thrown, the more it hurts. But the same goes if the pebble is changed to a larger stone. That would hurt just as much even if it's thrown at a lower velocity. The same goes if you accidentally drop it on your toes.

    Not entirely correct, but then again - the laws of Newton aren't either.

    In terms of relativity, the experiment about dropping a ball inside a train (or bus) is quite easy to understand - inside the train the distance the ball falls, is equal to the height of which it is dropped. But for a viewer outside, the apparent distance is longer - the hypotenuse of a triangle. It might even be possible to show using a car.

  102. Another Anonymous Coward post no one will see by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No one knows what gravity actually is... you could start with that little fact.
    Nor do they know how magnets actually work. Nor do they know how almost anything fundamental works.
    We are living in the scientific dark ages. Einstein was simply a neanderthal that drew a picture of a wheel on a cave wall.

  103. The dancing Wu li masters by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is a terrific book on the matter. It takes you, as a layman reader, from the newtonian physics to quantum entaglement using only terms and explainations that are easily grasped and through the experiments (double slit et.c) that shows the particular phenomenons described. I recommend it for everyone with an interest in physics.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Dancing_Wu_Li_Masters

  104. Children's book on relativity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The Time and Space of Uncle Albert by Russell Stannard explains this wonderfully to children. Targeted at 11-years, it may be challenging, but I loved it as a child.

  105. Relativity in Four Letter Words (or less) by Esekla · · Score: 1

    An oldy but a goody!

    Your child may not get everything right away, but that's probably less important than the examples of thought experiments, and the honest effort to provide some explanation in simple terms. Often when things make an impression that way, children remember and wind up understanding years later.

  106. A limit to lightspeed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I suppose I might be wrong about this, but..
    Maybe a way to understand that there must be a limit to the speed of light, is to consider that some object emitting light, perceived to be at speed, does not infer that the speed of light would accumulate with its own emitter moving. Certainly not, if the speed of light really has a limit in the first place.

    This way, I imagine that, well, that particle "energy" is never something that is really propagating from A to B in our space-time-world, and that with the notion of there being a limit to speed of light, a limit to speed of light might be symptomatic with how energy in matter is perceived as being conserved in the first place (as if never changing for an whole system), and then that such a limit with speed of light is more of a given normality of sorts, where things slowing down, or moving at all, is not caused by primarily 'causality' as one would intuitively expect, but instead that there might be this other system/mechanic in a non-dimensional world that we cannot perceive and which acts like a non-medium, as if OUR world was to be thought of as being an 'ether' (medium), but not the non-dimensional (below planck scale) world. I guess this would sort of be the opposite and an inversion of what an 'ether' would be from previous times. A sort of complementary Yin/Yang relationship as I imagine, where notions of causality and the idea of there being this encompassing entropy, only works in a world with the space-time arrow going one way only.

    Presumably, light would tend to be slowed down, but never sped up beyond some limit. But perhaps, if you could cheat the limits of causality, as if by teleportation, then maybe one could at least end up with the impression that the speed of light might increase, if the light at speed was a measurement off the entire distance from tossing some flat stone tossed across a lake's surface, but measuring the time factor, only when the stone hits the water surface, effectively leading to the wrong idea of there being a higher speed to light. Or, maybe then, the speed of light, would be no more, within the framework of light being able to skip across places.

    Hm, I wonder, maybe this notion of teleportation of a particle, could in turn be thought to be indicative of the functioning of quantum mechanics in general. Then, as I imagine it, what you would be working with, when working with theories of a quantum mechanical world, is not working with causality, but instead be gambling and betting on some natural phenomena TO BE re-occurring in some predicable way, when maybe, the effects seen, is not from causality, but from inverse time (anything but a single moment of time), as if what you think you are dealing with, is not something that simply happened as an event in any way, but that maybe space-time was something emergent from 'nothing', to allow an event to even happen, out from seemingly 'nowhere'.

    Presumably, speed of light is a constant, though I am not entirely sure. Ofc, I am nothing like an expert on this subject matter. :)

    I wonder: if causality is not a one way street so to speak (arrow of space-time), but 'causality' being but a perceived linearity, then maybe such linearity might be a byproduct, and thus something that might be invariable on a macroscopic scale (but perceived as invariable on microscopic scale). My favorite silly idea is that, our ideas of causality are just a secondary effect, by some non-dimensional world that with our perspective is paradoxically a critical 'constituent' of "our" space-time world, even though we might never be able to prove any existence of such a non-dimensional world.

    I guess, if gambling is allowed and a proverbial 'god' is alluded to be having anything to do with anything at-all with our known universe , then the proverbial 'god' could be said to running the world like a casino. Believing in a supernatural god is really silly though I have to say, existing in name only, as a mnemonic icon for the brain to react to, or ignore, or worse things, being indifferent to.

    1. Re:A limit to lightspeed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      To add to what I wrote above:

      I guess, I sort of imagine our world, to be effectively some by-product from some unknown process creating harmonics (energy patterns in some vague sense). This notion of 'harmonics' would pertain to events, but not something limited to being a space-time event, in which an event being the end result off a pattern of harmonics, would be the process by which a quantum mechanical world as I can imagine it create a resonate structure to the matter in our world. And although I think it would be wrong to say that human consciousness is in ANY way derived from a quantum mechanical world, maybe this seemingly causal world we live in, has a hidden hysteresis process off an unseen system in a sub planck scale world (or maybe even something larger than our known universe), or some kind of disjointed space-time, which would allow for random events to occur, on top of the fully structured one presumably seen in matter and say chemistry all the time.

    2. Re:A limit to lightspeed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And, to add another thought:

      I guess, one way to think of there being a metaphorical space for which randomness to occur, perhaps it might be meaningful to consider that looking for patterns of observable structures is not really showing all there is, if there might be a pattern to the "space" (non-dimensional structure). "Space" in this sense, as I clumsily imagine it, would be the inverse of anything related to space-time (anything other than some specific point in space-time).

    3. Re:A limit to lightspeed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And also, I want to say: I am thinking about photons, how they presumably go from A to B through space-time, with some wave particle duality going on.

      How about a splitting the momentum from the mass with regard to the photon?
      Momentum as being something most improbable for the photon, and mass as being a random attribute of the photon, together phasing in and out of our space time world.

      If energy in the quantum mechanical world, somehow choses the path of least resistance by statistics or chance, being random at that, then maybe it could be said that the flight of photons, is the least probable one, being a straight line oddly enough? Maybe one could imagine there being a mix of both a straight line path (most improbable) mixed with near-improbable, making measurements of photos fuzzy in the first place (thinking of the double slit experiment)? Maybe, the momentum/energy of a photon could come from this most improbable path (being a straight line), but that any mass of photon coming from reacting to other particles as a intermittent phenomena (as in being so called 'emergent').

  107. The Day After Tomorrow - Into Infinity by LinuxNeverWindows · · Score: 1

    The Day After Tomorrow - Into Infinity (www.youtube.com/watch?v=xF6YBU0bqR4) is good fun and has good science in it although the end bit is nonsense! Brian Blessed and Nick Tate (Space 1999's Alan Carter) are in it as well.

  108. He was one woke dude by Subm · · Score: 1

    To a nine-year-old I'd say he was the most woke dude of his time. Only instead of woke, he was brilliant, which people valued back then.

    He wrote tracks nobody expected that got the most upvotes. Only instead of tracks, they were scientific papers and instead of upvotes they were experimental confirmations.

    He withstood persecution from neo-Nazis who spoke against him at marches with tiki torches. Only instead of neo-Nazis, they were actual Nazis and instead of tiki torches, they had panzer divisions and a Luftwaffe.

    And because people hadn't yet invented hashtags and blue hair dye, people didn't yet organize to realize his achievements were due to his white male privilege.

  109. Can't get much simpler then these books by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    https://www.amazon.com/Chris-Ferrie/e/B00IZILZR6/ref=dp_byline_cont_book_1

  110. Einstein did a pretty good job of explaining by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    To explain Gravity Einstein used a trampoline like metaphor to show that heavier objects curve the space around them causing things to roll towards them.

    This is super simple way to explain it. Have your 9 year old stand on a trampoline and you stand on a trampoline, show the difference in the deflection of the trampoline (larger for the heavier person, and smaller for the lighter person.)

  111. Books by MagicM · · Score: 1

    I would get "Who Was Albert Einstein?" by Jess Brallier from the library and give it to them. The whole "Who Was" series is great, as is the "What Is/What Was" series.

  112. Make it fun by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I've been able to get my 4 year old interested in these things. Everyone is focusing too much on what we want to see as an adult which are more low level things, but we can show them high level things. This makes it fun for them.

    For instance with the idea of gravity warping the universe, I put a big bowl on a bowl and rolled some oranges around it. He isn't going to "get it" at this age but it starts to set the foundation for things so that later when he can understand the lower level things (science, math behind it) he'll think back to this.

    For chemistry type things we would do things like build a volcano (baking soda, food coloring, etc). Cooking/baking also has some fascinating chemistry applications.

    For physical or mechanical I let him take things apart and see what the inside looks like.

    Younger kids like to touch things, see things and so on. Then once you have an example they can start to apply the actual science behind it. There are great examples online of most of these things but it's more fun to do it. Sometimes you just have to remember what it was like to be a kid.

  113. Netflix by skovnymfe · · Score: 1

    Get him a Netflix subscription and put Cosmos on.

  114. Hawking Kid Book by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Stephen Hawking, and his daughter Lucy Hawking (who is a children's author) wrote a children's novel called "George's Secret Key to the Universe." This might be a good book if your kid likes to read.

    I have to admit that I haven't read it, but I bought it for one of my kids when he was about 9. The story wasn't "memorable" to him in the same way that The Hobbit and some of those great stories are memorable. But he does seem to maintain a pretty strong interest and understanding of various topics in theoretical physics.

    In retrospect, I should have read this together with my kid, but I'm not a good enough Dad to have thought of that at the time.

  115. A User's Guide to the Universe by SuiteSisterMary · · Score: 1

    A User's Guide to the Universe by Dave Goldberg and Jeff Blomquist is a great high-level introduction to a lot of this stuff, with weird but relatable examples included, and covers a lot of interconnected topics.

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  116. Gravity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Show the child the "rubber sheet" concept, though in this case you could just use a normal bedsheet or something. Put something heavy in the middle and point out how the fabric around it is distorted towards the weight. Put a marble or something somewhere and watch it fall in towards the weight.

    The rest of relativity requires one to accept mathematical formulas or certain concepts that seem, though the very core of it all is this: there is no perferred frame of reference. Any observations are based on the oberver's arbitrary choice of reference.

  117. Skip relativity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you really want to prepare your son for the future of physics, go with a better theory than relativity (or anything else Einstein came out with).

  118. Einstein was wrong. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Recent discoveries that have been published indicate that Nicola Tesla was right and Albert Einstein was wrong.

    The man that has discovered this is Ken Wheeler. After a lifetime of study of Tesla, C.P. Steinmetz, Oliver Heavyside, Maxwell, etc, he is the only person on Earth to correctly and completely define magnetism and gravity.

    He has demonstrated this understanding with Electricity, Water, Magnetism, Mathematics, Nature, and so far, all challenges have been met, and all anomalies and paradoxes related to it resolve.

    Einstein was unable to reconcile Quantum and Relativity, but Wheeler shows that Quantum doesn't even exist.

    He has published several editions of a book called "Uncovering The Missing Secrets of Magnetism" of which is a free download. (https://archive.org/details/UncoveringTheMissingSecretsOfMagnetism)

    Here is Ken's Youtube channel where is usually talks about photography but often talks about gravity and magnetism. Enjoy. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_IcxHxGZ4OI)

  119. Go For It! by WheezyJoe · · Score: 1

    Nine-year-olds can be smarter than you think. Just keep him interested with simple things that are imaginable and relateable, either to the real world or TV/movies. First, light travels with a constant speed. How do we know? When NASA spoke to the men on the moon, it took half a second for the radio waves to get there. When NASA radios satellites around Mars, it can take 5 to 10 minutes. And Voyager 2 is way, way out there. It takes almost a day for a command to get to Voyager just to find out if it's still working (it is).

    Einstein's thought-experiment with the train near the speed of light and the two mirrors and the simultaneous lightning strike is a little complicated. Skip that for now. Just tell him the reason Star Trek has warp speed and Star Wars has hyperspace is because we all know, under normal circumstances, you can't go faster than the speed of light.

    Next, gravitation. What's cool? Einstein figured out that gravity bends light. How do we know? Mercury. Draw your kid some circles around the sun with Earth and Mercury, tell him that when Mercury gets close to the sun it appears in the wrong place in the sky. Einstein predicted, correctly, that the light from Mercury is bent when it passes close to the sun. When did he prove it? During a solar eclipse, when we could actually see Mercury when it's real close to the sun, Mercury's little dot was right where Einstein said it should be, not where it would be if its light went in a straight line.

    If he's impressed and still interested, equivalence. Acceleration, gravity, same. Ever ridden in an elevator, little man? You like roller-coasters, right? Same thing as gravity. If you're riding in a space-ship that's accelerating at 32 ft/s*s, then it feels exactly like standing on the earth. Now, if that space-ship is going really, really fast, like close to the speed of light, and there's a window in the side of the spaceship where light is shining in (draw a picture!), by the time that light hits the opposite side wall of your spaceship, the accelerating spaceship has moved a little out of the way and the light shines a little below the opposite window. Draw a line: light is CURVING because your spaceship is accelerating so fast.

    Well, if acceleration and gravity are the same, Einstein figured a whole lot of gravity should make light curve. Then came the solar eclipse, and Mercury was right where Einstein said it should be, it's light curving around the sun. Neat, huh?

    If he's still with you, thank your stars you got a bright, imaginative little kid. Move on to Black Holes, gravity so powerful light can't escape. Cooooool. So long as you can keep tying the theories to stuff your kid can relate to, either in the real world or the movies, you got a chance. Run it as far as it's worth, he might catch the bug.

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    1. Re:Go For It! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      First, light travels with a constant speed. How do we know? When NASA spoke to the men on the moon, it took half a second for the radio waves to get there. When NASA radios satellites around Mars, it can take 5 to 10 minutes. And Voyager 2 is way, way out there. It takes almost a day for a command to get to Voyager just to find out if it's still working (it is).

      Yes light travels at a constant speed, but I don't get how your examples demonstrate that. Or were you trying to explain something different from "no matter how fast you travel, light always appears to be going 300,000 km/s"?

    2. Re:Go For It! by WheezyJoe · · Score: 1

      First, light travels with a constant speed. How do we know? When NASA spoke to the men on the moon, it took half a second for the radio waves to get there. When NASA radios satellites around Mars, it can take 5 to 10 minutes. And Voyager 2 is way, way out there. It takes almost a day for a command to get to Voyager just to find out if it's still working (it is).

      Yes light travels at a constant speed, but I don't get how your examples demonstrate that. Or were you trying to explain something different from "no matter how fast you travel, light always appears to be going 300,000 km/s"?

      The examples are meant to show that light travels at a measurable, finite speed, rather than being infinitely fast as it appears to the naked eye on Earth. To a nine-year-old, the idea that the light from a distant lighthouse takes a tiny bit of time to reach his eye might be pretty profound, or that it takes whole minutes for the sun's light to reach the Earth each morning, or that even the brightest stars in the sky might not actually be there right now this instant, cause the change in their light won't reach us for years... to a nine-year-old, that's wacky enough.

      The advanced implications of a finite speed of light, ultimately leading to special relativity, that can be put off til the child is a little older. Again, Einstein's thought experiment with the train and the lightning bolts is difficult to explain even under the best of circumstances. "no matter how fast you travel, light always appears to be going 300,000 km/s"? Leave that for another day.

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  120. Re: Einstein by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Let him watch the TV series called "Genious" about Einstein. It should do the trick.

  121. As smart as Newton? by Roger+W+Moore · · Score: 1

    If it was possible to explain Einstein's theory of relativity to a nine year old it would mean that Einstein was only as smart as a nine year old, which, obviously is not correct.

    That's great news for anyone who does understand relativity because it means that we are all as smart as Einstein! Sadly though it is generally accepted that the 'genius' comes in figuring something out for the first time, not in being able to understand the idea once someone has figured it out. Lots of people understand Newtonian mechanics but I doubt anyone living today is as smart as Newton was.

    In fact the reverse is probably true: the easier the idea is to explain the smarter the person who came up with the idea is generally perceived to be. It's a lot more impressive to come up with a new, simple idea in an area that lots of people have thought about before than it is to come up with one in a highly specialized, esoteric area where you may be the first person to ever really think about that thing.

  122. Standing on shoulders of giants by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If your 9-month old son asked how does Usain Bolt move so quickly, would you teach that son about sprinting first? Or would you teach him to walk before he runs.

    Spooky action at a distance... magnetism, _then_ gravity. MinutePhysics has the answers you're looking for. Try also using only the 1000 words used more than all other words.

    Also want to repeat turbidostato's wisdom - you didn't answer the question that's been asked.

  123. Magnets by RoloDMonkey · · Score: 1

    Also, magnets: Show how a magnet can pull something without touching it.

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  124. Relativity explained to kids by crazyfrenchmen · · Score: 1

    What is so incredible about Einstein finding is not E=MC2, it's the concept of relativity. It basically say that the truth change depending on the point of observation. So two different person with two different point of view could both be right. A person traveling at the speed of light will experience time diffrently from someone on earth... at the same time. From there, you can teach your kid that if someone disagree with them, they could both be right.

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    "Failure is not an option, it come bundled with the software"
  125. Keep it simple by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I would just say: "Einstein, probably more than any other person, explained how the universe works." And then let him ask further questions if he's still interested.

  126. Focus on the Thought Experiments Re:I Wouldn't. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Focus on the Thought Experiments Einstein came up with. Learn them yourself, then read them to your son.

  127. Watch the "Genius" series on Einstein by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The elevator scene:

    https://www.space.com/36964-natgeo-genius-relativity-explained.html

  128. Photoelectric effect by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You know, the thing that he won the Nobel prize for? It's actually simple enough for most people to understand, too.

  129. Heinlein's "Time for the Stars" by PortHaven · · Score: 1

    One of his short novels in the juvenile class. I read this to my then 7 year old daughter. She was tickled pink regarding the concept of time and space and speed. And how one sibling could stay on earth and age while the other one would remain young.

    We then watched Interstellar, which was a bit harder to process but showed the similar affect with regards to a black hole.

    Obviously this just skims the surface, but it did help her conceptualize the ideas.

  130. Just enough Beer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Einstein is just enough beer to have on your lunch break.

  131. It's the hair. by Macdude · · Score: 1

    I would have just gone with "It's the hair".

    Perhaps it's a good thing I don't have kids...

    --
    "Grab them by the pussy" -- President of the United States of America
  132. But that was Newton by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Einstein didn't figure out how masses attract each other. Actually that part (and all of physics) was much clearer before he came and made a big mess. Clearer, but also incomplete and inconsistent and disproven by experiments. So first you will have to explain Cartesian/Galilean/Newtonian physics to your kid. And then tell him that traditional mechanics are just an approximation that works at medium scale. At large scale (relativity) and small scale (quanta) it gets more complicated and harder to intuit, but also really beautiful once you start to get it.

  133. start with relativity, not the classical versions by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I would start with relativity of time and distance.
    Different clocks (ie time, in that clock's reference frame) tick at different rates depending on their relative motion.
    Distances are measured differently depending on relative motion. Moving rulers are not the same length as your ruler that's at rest.

    For gravity: Spacetime is curved in the presence of mass. A massive object travelling inertially through curved spacetime can take a curved path.

    What I would NOT do is explain the classical versions and then explain how relativity is different, and I'd especially avoid explanations that describe it as "weird" etc. Eg. it is good to explain about inertia and what it means, but there's no need to speak of the Earth "pulling" on an object. It is not useful to explain that people used to think that time passes at the same rate everywhere but that "different/strange things happen at high speeds".

    A caveat is that this approach might make kids think that rulers/clocks are all different or somehow unreliable in any situation at any speed, but I've never heard of cases where the classical version was the misunderstood part. I believe that the difficulty with relativity is in undoing bad assumptions that we've been taught for so long that they've solidified in our brains.

  134. Try this... by martinfb · · Score: 1

    Mass displaces Space. Space (spacetime) curves around that Mass.
    That displaced Space creates a vacuum where the Mass actually exists.
    That vacuum is Gravity.

    Sort-of...

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    Self-importance and self-indulgence is the root of ALL evil.
    1. Re:Try this... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That sounded a bit too vague for my taste.

      The word "actually" seems unfortunate here, if meant to mean something "more essential", as the word "exist" is also used right after the word "actually" in that sentence of yours, but the word "exist" doesn't seem compelling to me given that "mass" is visible all around us all the time. Must be a better way to explaining this notion of there being a more essential idea for thinking about mass.

      Presumably, you meant to imply something like: 'That displaced Space creates a vacuum for which the Mass is dependent on.'

      Or, maybe you meant something else, like: "That displaced Space created a vacuum where the Mass also is."

      But, then again, this notion of space creating a vacuum also seem vague, and one would be curious to think of a way of how a process of displacement of "space" is understood as a process that can be conceptualized. It seems to me that it would be confusing if simply assuming that the trivial concept of 'space' (a void) in our 'space-time' world could create a vacuum, and so it wouldn't help of thinking of there simply being a 'displaced space' in that regard I think.

      I guess I have the impression that your use of analogy of mass vs space, infer the meaning that 'mass' simply exists (in whatever form) as a consequence of 'gravity' simply existing in a void (space). I personally like that idea myself. Though, I sort of like thinking of things being inverted, as if time doesn't really exist at all, thus the measurable space in our space-time world could still be there along side a space in which time either doesn't exist (a non-dimensional world), or, in which time and causality somehow is reversed. I can sort of imagine a universe where causality is not what really is running things, such that our ideas of causality is more like "chaos" and "randomness", which could maybe lead to ways to manipulate physics outside the bounds of causality, like quantum mechanics I imagine.

    2. Re:Try this... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I wrote all the comments here previously (up to this point anyway), but I wanted to say that I think you might want to check out the following talk on youtube (a 2018 talk):

      "Spacetime, Quantum Mechanics and Positive Geometry by Nima Arkani Hamed"

      He talks about the death of space-time, in thinking of space-time as being something emergent.

    3. Re:Try this... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh, crap. I apparently made the mistake of having confused my other comments somewhere else on this slashdot page.

      I wrote the stuff under "A limit to lightspeed" somewhere above. I mistakenly referred to those comments, having forgotten that I had only made one single comment under your "Try this..." comment. :|

  135. "Einstein's Miraculous Year" contains his papers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    from 1905 translated into English, edited by John Stachel, published by Princeton University Press 1998. In paper 3 of 5, "On the Electrodynamics of Moving Bodies", Einstein derives special relativity from Newtonian Mechanics and Maxwellian Electromagnetics. Einstein wrote using mostly verbal descriptions of simple thought experiments, resulting in a clear paper with not much mathematics by modern standards, well worth reading by non-experts. Remember that, when Einstein published these papers, there were no experts or classes in relativity or in quantum mechanics. In paper 4 of 5, "Does the Inertia of a Body Depend on its Energy Content?" Einstein similarly derives E=mc^2 and speculates that newly-discovered radioactive materials might be energetic enough to see the effect.

    Einstein received the Nobel Prize in Physics for paper 5 of 5, "On a Heuristic Point of View Concerning the Production and Transformation of Light", in which he deduces the existence of the photon from the photoelectric effect.

    In papers 1 and 2, Einstein calculates Avogadro's number from Brownian Motion.

    PeterTraneus Anderson

  136. With short words, obviously by almitydave · · Score: 1

    Einstein's theory of relativity explained in words of four letters or fewer:
    http://www.muppetlabs.com/~bre...

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    my, your, his/her/its, our, your, their
    I'm, you're, he's/she's/it's, we're, you're, they're
  137. Let Randall Munroe do it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Using only the ten hundred most common words

    https://www.newyorker.com/tech/elements/the-space-doctors-big-idea-einstein-general-relativity

  138. The Einstein Paradox by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I haven't read it in a while, so I'm not sure about the reading age required, and I'm not a physicist, so I can't vouch for the accuracy of the science depicted, but The Einstein Paradox and other Science Mysteries Solved by Sherlock Holmes (Colin Bruce, 1997) put several relativity and quantum mechanics problems into entertaining stories. "The Cast of the Lost Worlds" really captured the essence of graduate school for me.

    Maybe this link will work:
    https://www.amazon.com/Einstein-Paradox-Science-Mysteries-Sherlock/dp/0738200239