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Facebook's Android App Is Asking for Superuser Privileges, Users Say (bleepingcomputer.com)

Catalin Cimpanu, reporting for BleepingComputer: The Facebook Android app is asking for superuser permissions, and a bunch of users are freaking out about granting the Facebook app full access to their device, an understandable reaction following the fallout from the Cambridge Analytica privacy scandal. "Grants full access to your device," read the prompts while asking users for superuser permissions. These popups originate from the official Facebook Android app (com.facebook.katana) and are started appearing last night [UTC timezone], continuing throughout the day. Panicked users took to social media, Reddit, and Android-themed forums to share screengrabs of these suspicious popups and ask for advice on what's going on.

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  1. No need to freak out by DickBreath · · Score: 4, Funny

    No need to be freak outing. Just grant access for Facebook. Nothing could go wrong.

    The Facebook
    Is Your Friend
    Trust The Facebook

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    1. Re:No need to freak out by alexhs · · Score: 2, Informative

      Funny, I practically had the opposite reaction:

      No need to freak out, just say "hell no", and when their mobile usage drops close to 0, it's FaceBook that will freak out...

      It already dropped dramatically with the #deletefacebook movement, right ? Right ?

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    2. Re:No need to freak out by benjfowler · · Score: 1

      Fascist RuSSia just loves Facebook.

      Lets them spy on Westerners and brainwash the low-information contingent by the millions.

      Short of rounding up and parroting all Russian spies, we should simply shut down all social media shown to be compromised by the Putinist fascists.

    3. Re:No need to freak out by PolygamousRanchKid+ · · Score: 2

      No need to be freak outing.

      They should all freak themselves out for using Facebook at all in the first place.

      Hey, now they will come out with "Freakbook" . . .

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    4. Re:No need to freak out by Z00L00K · · Score: 1

      How about not using the app but a web browser?

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    5. Re:No need to freak out by bondsbw · · Score: 5, Informative

      Facebook needs the following permissions:

      • Vote in government elections for you
      • Full access to your bank account

      The masses: "Eh... odd, but I really need to check Facebook." [OK]

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    6. Re:No need to freak out by jellomizer · · Score: 1

      For me it is less about not trusting Facebook on my device. But the idea of application running in full privilege mode bothers me. I normally get annoyed when an old windows App require Admin Rights to install, or worse like some old Windows 3.1 and Windows 95 Apps Requires Admin level right to run. Just because they couldn't figure out the safe place to save user data.

      This shows poor judgement either in Facebook, for not coding around normal user permission and for Android for not allowing correct security controls to allow non-admin access to Facebook apps features.

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    7. Re:No need to freak out by syn3rg · · Score: 1

      "I want all of you to get up out of your chairs. I want you to get up right now and go to the window. Open it, and stick your head out, and yell: I'M AS MAD AS HELL, AND I'M NOT GOING TO TAKE THIS ANYMORE!"

      Seems appropriate.

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    8. Re:No need to freak out by Mips+the+Cat · · Score: 1

      How about not using the app but a web browser?

      Just what I did, app makes no sense, to me.

    9. Re:No need to freak out by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      alexhs suggested:

      No need to freak out, just say "hell no", and when their mobile usage drops close to 0, it's FaceBook that will freak out...

      It already dropped dramatically with the #deletefacebook movement, right ? Right ?

      People are stupid. That goes double for millenials, who stare blankly when you suggest they only use a desktop browser to access FB, and ask, "What's a desktop browser?".

      I've never installed FB's app on my phone, and I never will. As for my desktop(s), I only sign in from one.

      It's on a VPN, I use Adblock and NoScript - and I have a NoScript ABE entry that blocks access by FB scripts on third-party websites, so their scripts only run on FB itself:

      • Site .facebook.com .fbcdn.net
        Accept from .facebook.com .fbcdn.net
        Deny INCLUSION(SCRIPT, OBJ, SUBDOC)

      I also never take quizzes, participate in surveys, or play games on FB. Because, hell no ...

      (Posting as AC only so as not to undo prior upmods in this thread.)

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    10. Re:No need to freak out by DickBreath · · Score: 1

      But a web browser doesn't ask for root privileges the way the app does.

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    11. Re:No need to freak out by Tough+Love · · Score: 1

      Remember when everybody had a Myspace account?

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  2. com.facebook.katana dishonorabru! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I don't know if it's algorithmic, or if most of my close friends just hardly use facebook anymore, but it seems like I just rarely see anything anymore in my feed anymore that I care about. It also seems weird that what does appear is generally from people I'm very faint acquaintances with -- if I am curious about one of my actual friends I pretty much have to go straight to their profile.

    Besides that though, I think it just encourages behaviors I don't really enjoy seeing in my friends. I definitely know people who in real-life are totally cool, but their social media presence makes me question why I ever liked them in the first place. Mostly I see a lot of:

    1) very overt attention seeking for pretty lame things (like, pretty girls posting selfies of themselves doing nothing interesting, or dudes with gym photos, that kind of thing) 2) Extremely broad and poorly thought out political rants 3) sharing really vapid motivational quotes 4) people being maybe a little too vulnerable to a very broad audience, to the point where it's awkward. 5) This one is the worst of all. People taking passive aggressive swipes at individuals by posting very vague status updates. I hate stuff like that.

    I don't think of myself as a super judgmental person, but whenever I get on facebook I spend half my time just thinking "really?" and then feeling kind of gross.

    1. Re:com.facebook.katana dishonorabru! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      Leave Facebook. You'll feel a lot better.

  3. Obvious simple fix for that... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Don't. install. Facebook.

    1. Re: Obvious simple fix for that... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Also don't use android.

  4. Solution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    #deletefacebook

    Literally. Just remove that shit from your phone already! Then go out and do something more constructive with your life, rather than lazily scrolling through other people's "The best ..." life moments.

    1. Re:Solution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      #deletefacebook

      Oh, a "hashtag". Let's start a campaign about how shit one social network is on another shit social network.

    2. Re:Solution by JaredOfEuropa · · Score: 1

      Facebook can be useful. Very useful to some people. And dropping FB has little or no correlation with "doing something constructive with your life". Even so, you can do without. And the more of you that decide to go without, the easier that choice becomes for the remaining members.

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    3. Re:Solution by mukinrestak · · Score: 5, Informative

      IIRC my stock ROM on my last phone had facebook installed as an unremovable app. Depending on the phone's bootloader situation that could mean some folks CAN'T remove spywarebook. (Or their manufacturer's homebrewed spyware either)

    4. Re:Solution by Bradmont · · Score: 1

      If you have root on your phone, which must be the case for these users, since the app is triggering a root request, then you should have access to remove system apps.

    5. Re:Solution by Thelasko · · Score: 1

      You are able to disable apps in the application manager. Even if you can't uninstall.

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    6. Re:Solution by nuckfuts · · Score: 1

      The comment is not "putting people down", it's pointing out the irony in the person's comment.

    7. Re:Solution by serviscope_minor · · Score: 1

      Oh, a "hashtag".

      I thought it was an IRC channel :(

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    8. Re:Solution by Aighearach · · Score: 1

      It is now! lol

  5. What when wrong? by msauve · · Score: 1

    What went wrong is you didn't #deletefacebook.

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    1. Re:What when wrong? by DickBreath · · Score: 1

      Would I first have to sign up for Facebook in order to #deletefacebook?

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  6. No big deal by DogDude · · Score: 5, Funny

    It's really no big deal. What other data could they possibly collect that they don't have already? They have your location at every second of the day. They have all of your contacts. They have all of your emails and text messages. What else could they get that they don't have, already?

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    1. Re:No big deal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      It's really no big deal. What other data could they possibly collect that they don't have already? They have your location at every second of the day. They have all of your contacts. They have all of your emails and text messages. What else could they get that they don't have, already?

      so you are most clearly a psychopath because you're not even noticing that you have your emotions and facebook doesn't.

    2. Re:No big deal by Ecuador · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Well, I guess full access would also allow them to either edit your stuff (here are some new contacts, yay!) or delete them?
      I admit I use facebook since it is the only way to keep contact with certain people, but I only have messanger installed - the app takes over 200MB on a phone which is a suspiciously large size for an app that does part of the things that a badly designed website does...

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    3. Re:No big deal by R3d+M3rcury · · Score: 1

      They have all of your contacts. They have all of your emails and text messages.

      ...and if you ever want to see them again, you'll buy $10,000 of the newly announced "Facecoin!"

    4. Re:No big deal by Thelasko · · Score: 5, Interesting

      The app already asks for every single permission available.

      The purpose of the Facebook app is:

      1. harvest as much data as possible
      1. bypass as many protections/ad blockers as possible

      If you absolutely must use Facebook on your phone, do it using a web browser that is well secured. You won't really miss out on anything, but Facebook will.

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    5. Re:No big deal by ctilsie242 · · Score: 2

      If you read the Android manifest, the perms Facebook ask for is almost like a novel. I wouldn't be surprised if ACCESS_SUPERUSER was in there.

      I miss XPrivacy. If a generic fleshlight app asks for every permission under the sun, it can have them... except it will fetch random strings for contacts, the location would be at the same spot all the time, the microphone and camera would give static. XPrivacy Lua should be its replacement, but it has a ways to go.

      Barring that, I wish phone makers would allow for virtualization. That way, work stuff would be in one container/VM/partition, home stuff could be in another, and Facebook and other privacy-challenge apps would be in a safe space all to their own.

    6. Re:No big deal by jrumney · · Score: 1

      I figured they must be up to some new shenanigans this week with their app when the web interface got bumped into a new level of unusable. It's quite painful to watch a company commit slow suicide like this. If I was inclined to launch a new social networking site, I might just pick now as the timing to do it.

    7. Re:No big deal by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      I heard a hilarious German advert today involving a phone assistant that went feral. Among other things it threatened to send the owner's dick picks to their parents.

      Stupid thing about that advert was I can't remember what it was for other than many a philosophical commentary on modern life.

    8. Re:No big deal by serviscope_minor · · Score: 1

      If a generic fleshlight app asks for every permission under the sun,

      There can't be a fleshlight app any more, not after they removed the headphone jack anyway.

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    9. Re:No big deal by jareth-0205 · · Score: 1

      Yeah, as always there's an XKCD for this...

      https://xkcd.com/1200/

  7. Why do they care? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    Facebook users have already granted Facebook access to their life, and even parts of the lives of people around who are trying to stay out of its clutches, to boot. There is very little Facebook does not collect about you.

      Why the crocodile tears when Facebook users are the ones who have voted in surveillance clusterfuck?

  8. Shocked I tell you by Urinal+Pube · · Score: 5, Informative

    I'm most surprised that someone with enough technical merit to root their phone, would install the FB app to begin with.

    1. Re:Shocked I tell you by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      I'm most surprised that someone with enough technical merit to root their phone, would install the FB app to begin with.

      Why not? What does technical have to do with using a service? Being technical doesn't mean you go all tinfoil hat private. Being non-technical doesn't mean you share every breathing second of your life on a Facebook post either.

      We can flip this on its head. Having a rooted phone that provides you the fine grained controls to fake your data may be the only way to safely use Facebook.

      Disclosure: Have rooted phone, have Facebook. Though have not seen a superuser request from it.

  9. No big deal by ArchieBunker · · Score: 2

    The app already asks for every single permission available.

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  10. Even silly games like MonsterStrike require it by thesjaakspoiler · · Score: 1

    This app has access to: Contacts read your contacts Location approximate location (network-based) precise location (GPS and network-based) Photos/Media/Files read the contents of your USB storage modify or delete the contents of your USB storage Storage read the contents of your USB storage modify or delete the contents of your USB storage Wi-Fi connection information view Wi-Fi connections Other receive data from Internet view network connections allow Wi-Fi Multicast reception connect and disconnect from Wi-Fi full network access change your audio settings run at startup control vibration prevent device from sleeping

  11. Got rid of the apps a long time ago by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I got rid of any app that basically just mimics going to a website.

    While I still use facebook (though at a limited capacity). I was tired of the app draining my battery, but also was very wary of all the stuff it was trying to get access to.

    But in general I don't understand installing an app for a service that's offered via a website.

  12. Facebook by ledow · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Hey Facebook.

    Make one app. That has messenger in it. With a bunch of options of what I want it to do (run all the time for messenger, read my photos, etc.).

    Try and not make it an app that literally sucks up all my storage just browsing (my gf filled her phone up twice to the brim, when we looked it was all data stored in the Facebook app - removed the app, reinstalled, all was fine again)

    Then, maybe, just maybe, I'll consider installing it. But JUST that. Nothing else. No other apps to do the same thing. And, no, you really don't require (or will ever get) one percent of the permissions your current apps demand.

    To be honest, the fact that you DELIBERATELY break the Facebook mobile website to remove messenger (when "View as Desktop Site" shows it perfectly well but in a not-nice format) pisses me off more than anything. You are literally trying to force me to use the apps and I have no interest in that.

    You know what happens when you try to force people to use products/services they have no interest in? They go elsewhere.

    Another 5 years and Facebook will be like MySpace is now.

    1. Re:Facebook by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Why are you still using Facebook anyway?

      Just delete it already.

    2. Re:Facebook by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Hey Facebook.

      Make one app....

      They already do:

      "All your life is belong to us!"

      Make your time, because you've been set up the bomb.

    3. Re:Facebook by QuietLagoon · · Score: 1

      ... will be like MySpace is now. ...

      What is a "MySpace?"

    4. Re:Facebook by jrumney · · Score: 1

      Better yet, put the messaging back into the mobile website and let everyone use their web browser instead of a handful of apps.

    5. Re:Facebook by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      You know what happens when you try to force people to use products/services they have no interest in? They go elsewhere. ... Another 5 years

      In another 5 years you may well be saying in another 5 years just like cold fusion. If Facebook has shown one thing it's that you can force an incredible amount of shit down your user's throats and they'll say please sir can I have another! Myspace was a relatively small platform that got replaced by a huge alternative. People have predicted the death of Facebook and the Next Big Thing (tm) social network for the past 10 years now. It hasn't happened.

      Side note: Never heard of your Facebook storage issue. 9 months since I bought this phone and it's using barely over 300MB of storage and most of that is the initial bloat it comes with.

    6. Re:Facebook by tepples · · Score: 1

      Better yet, put the messaging back into the mobile website and let everyone use their web browser instead of a handful of apps.

      "Everyone" except for the anti-JavaScript hardliners here on Slashdot, who prefer OS-specific installable native executables to OS-independent zero-install script-in-the-browser.

    7. Re:Facebook by Thelasko · · Score: 1

      (when "View as Desktop Site" shows it perfectly well but in a not-nice format)

      Thanks for the work around! Someone should make a plugin for that.

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    8. Re:Facebook by gitano_dbs · · Score: 1

      ... will be like MySpace is now. ...

      What is a "MySpace?"

      its like a Geocities

  13. Latest News.... by niittyniemi · · Score: 4, Funny

    Apparently, Facebook are now saying that the message is clearly a bug. It was meant to say:

    "Do you want to continue to be anally raped by a multi-billion spying operation run by a dwarf with no moral compass?{Y/n]"

    For those with a room temperature IQ (in celsius) you want to hit "Yes". Everybody else wants to hit "No".

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    1. Re:Latest News.... by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      Apparently, Facebook are now saying that the message is clearly a bug.

      It was either a bug or active warfare against the tinfoil hatters. It doesn't make sense for it to be a general hoovering of data as per normal since this permission would only affect the 0.001% of phones that are actually rooted, ... most of which are rooted because people distrust the likes of Facebook in the first place.

    2. Re:Latest News.... by markymarkj · · Score: 1

      “For those with a room temperature IQ (in celsius)“ Are you somehow implying Americans are smarter?

    3. Re:Latest News.... by niittyniemi · · Score: 1

      $ units
      You have: 21 degC
      You want: degF
      69.8

      Good grief, looks like I am!

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  14. They what now? by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

    You know what happens when you try to force people to use products/services they have no interest in?

    Judging by past behavior, what they actually do is keep using the more broken thing because it's what they know and all their friends use.

    They go elsewhere.

    The problem is, in the case of Facebook (and Twitter), there is no "elsewhere" to go to. Seriously, go to what?

    Nor is there any sign of an elsewhere anytime soon, what nascent systems could work to replace either of these companies even if you could convince some large subset of your social graph to move?

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    1. Re:They what now? by religionofpeas · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The problem is, in the case of Facebook (and Twitter), there is no "elsewhere" to go to. Seriously, go to what?

      Go outside ?

    2. Re:They what now? by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

      I'm not saying people will use Facebook and Twitter forever. Obviously something will supplant them, someday...

      But that first part of my post goes hand in hand with the second. Sure people will move on - but NOT IF THERE IS NOTHING TO MOVE ON TO.

      Once again, WHAT do you suggest realistically replaces Facebook for most people, today? Crickets? Yeah that's what I thought buddy.

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    3. Re:They what now? by religionofpeas · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Once again, WHAT do you suggest realistically replaces Facebook for most people, today? Crickets? Yeah that's what I thought buddy

      It's like asking what you suggest to replace junk food and cigarettes. As long as you insist on exactly the same experience, nothing can replace it, obviously.

    4. Re:They what now? by antdude · · Score: 1

      https://play.google.com/store/...

      Which Outside app is it? :P

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  15. We have this thread every week it seems by nimbius · · Score: 4, Informative

    1. Facebook is busted for some privacy violation users glossed over in the terms of service but are now outraged about.
    2. Facebook admits its doing the thing it said it would, but that everything is working to help users.
    3. some nameless third party chimes in and accidentally shows the meat counter to the cattle.
    4. Facebook walks back its original statement, revises its terms to explicitly refuse service to the third party that outed it, and everyones fine.

    The only winning move is not to play. Just delete the god damn app already and leave facebook. Absolutely none of it is for your direct benefit. A multinational megacorporation has found a way to turn your friends into a carrot you'll follow into a slaughterhouse that carves up your personal information and sells it to the real customers.

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  16. There is worse by volodymyrbiryuk · · Score: 5, Informative

    The fact that the shitty FB app is preinstalled on many android devices (and cannot be removet without root) is far worse.

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    1. Re:There is worse by AvitarX · · Score: 1

      Why?

      It can be switched off (or whatever they call it).

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    2. Re:There is worse by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      It can be switched off (or whatever they call it).

      They call it "disabled" but it's still crap, and if it comes on your phone then it's already got permissions to do things on your device if some OS feature "accidentally" re-enables it.

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    3. Re:There is worse by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      The fact that the shitty FB app is preinstalled on many android devices (and cannot be removet without root) is far worse.

      That is a giant "meh". Just disable the app. A disabled app in Android literally can't do anything. It can't even be updated let alone run in the background sucking up data.

    4. Re:There is worse by volodymyrbiryuk · · Score: 1

      It might sound ridiculous to you but it is still using space on the phone's internal memory. And some people just don't want crappy bloatware on their phones.

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    5. Re:There is worse by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      It might sound ridiculous to you

      Yes complaining about a few 10s of MB of the default image being used does sound ridiculous to me.

    6. Re:There is worse by volodymyrbiryuk · · Score: 1

      It's 450MB for Facebook. With the latest AAndroid update (to oreo) they also added the shitty Linkedin app.

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    7. Re:There is worse by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      It's 450MB for Facebook.

      It's not 450MB for my current version, updated 6 times over including the data portion and the cache portion from the last 9 months of usage. If your install is that big then you've done goofed son.

      Also apps shipped with the image do not sit on your data partition so they fundamentally sit unchanging, unedited. If you're worried about free space, then look up how much free space you get with your phone when you first purchase it. Complaining about the bundled apps is stupid in the face of the inefficiencies shipped in the Android images of most vendors. The bundled Facebook app is the largest shipped on a factory resetted phone and weighs in at 180MB. Interestingly my phone has a 4GB larger image out of the box than the latest Nougat image from Google, so Facebook is nothing more than a rounding error in that regard.

      Speaking of phone free space, want to know what takes up more space on my phone than Facebook? 45 seconds of video.

      Get some perspective.

  17. Re:Really strange by AHuxley · · Score: 1

    What does it get beyond gps, ip, camera, mic in the OS? Persistence in the OS?

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  18. No big deal by WindBourne · · Score: 5, Informative

    Say no and uninstall it.

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  19. Get a better su program... by ctilsie242 · · Score: 4, Informative

    The good su apps on Android will not, by default, allow a program to present a su dialog unless the app manifest in the Google Play Store has ACCESS_SUPERUSER declared.

    What bothers me is that this is something that has to be explicitly coded. Why would an app -ever- request this by accident, is beyond me.

    1. Re:Get a better su program... by QuietLagoon · · Score: 2

      ...Why would an app -ever- request this by accident, is beyond me....

      My thoughts exactly. It was an accident only because they got caught.

    2. Re:Get a better su program... by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      What bothers me is that this is something that has to be explicitly coded. Why would an app -ever- request this by accident, is beyond me.

      Apps do a lot of things when developers are working on it, and it wouldn't be the first time a wrong version has been pushed out to publish. To be honest it sounds like an oversight given what this is capable of: accessing additional permissions on a rounding error of a percentage of phones out there that actually have superuser capability enabled.

      The alternative to an accident is quite bad. If this was done on purpose then someone decided to target a group of people specifically likely to NOT want anything to do with data collection (those who are techie enough to root their phones). This would actually represent active warfare.

  20. Default Android install does not allow superuser by VFA · · Score: 1

    Am I wrong or a normal default Android install that 95% of Android users use does not allow superuser access at all, even to the owner of the phone? One needs to do special things to get SU access. Some phones are trickier than others to root, but they all need some sort of technically astute action (usually action voiding warranty of the phone) on user's part to root the phone. The whole premise of Android is to run in user mode all the time. What am I missing here? Is this just a BS article? I am pretty sure FB would not write an app that asks for what is impossible for >95% of Android users.

  21. Re: Laziness and incompetence. by reanjr · · Score: 1

    I've never seen an Android app require full permissions in my decade of using the platform.

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  23. I'm collecting screen-shots of app whoring by pecosdave · · Score: 2

    I'm planning to make a nice-big write up about what it means to browse Facebook on a traditional browser while using a mobile phone, using screen-shots for reference. The amount of begging, strong-arming, and general "feature isolation" they pull when you use a mobile browser (that worked five years ago) is astounding. "Request Desktop Site" sometimes gets you around some of that, sometimes it causes other weird things to happen.

    Facebook is evil. I want to jettison it outright and just move to Minds and Steemit. Unfortunately Facebook is where the people are, especially family. I make my family posts there and my general posts elsewhere. I really want to move the family away.....

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    1. Re:I'm collecting screen-shots of app whoring by pecosdave · · Score: 1

      I used to make posts on ts and then link to them on Facebook. Nobody seemed to care (save for one person). Then Facebook blocked ts, then ts went away.....

      I might consider this, though I largely consider email useless, it's being killed by spam the same way usenet and good old-fashioned search engines like AltaVista were. Why bother using email if you have to sort through so much crap to get to the good messages?

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    2. Re:I'm collecting screen-shots of app whoring by pecosdave · · Score: 1

      Interesting - the preview showed the spelling of tsu (with a non-U.S. standard u) just fine, but now it's gone on the final posts. Guess it was the wrong encoding type somewhere.

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  24. why I don't use the app.. by RobertNotBob · · Score: 1

    Firefox for android works fine for when I choose to brows Facebook from my phone. -- you can no longer send messages without the separate massager app (so, I don't use them). I've just told my friends not to use that method to get a hold of me and Presto! ... I know that any message showing there is from somebody who doesn't know me.

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  25. And yet... by El+Lobo · · Score: 1

    You are already granting full access to Google by the grace of Android... Where is the panic?

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    1. Re:And yet... by squiggleslash · · Score: 1

      Oh well then, if we grant full access to the authors of the operating system then of course it would be hypocritical of us to deny access to a third party with a proven track record of abusing personal data given to it.

      (And no, Google doesn't sell your data. It uses your data to improve its decisions on which ads to show you, but it doesn't hand you data to third parties - hell, that'd destroy its business model if it did that.)

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  26. Re:Laziness and incompetence. by Z00L00K · · Score: 1

    If you upload videos then the location might be nice too, but that's a minor issue.

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  27. Re: Laziness and incompetence. by c6gunner · · Score: 1

    I have facebook's app stuck on my phone - Samsung put it there and I can't uninstall it - same with all of Google's shit.

    You don't need to uninstall it; android let's you disable system apps so they never run. Sure, they still take up space on the device but, due to the way the phones are partitioned, that's space you can't use anyway. So the only advantage of uninstalling vs disabling is that if you could uninstall it you wouldn't see the icon any more.

  28. Facebook (Irregular Haiku structure) by GeekWithAKnife · · Score: 1


    Fuck facebook.

    Tell it to go & fuck itself in various creative forms, then get angry and really mean it.

    Once Facebook has fucked off to a sufficient, edge-of-the-continent distance beat it into an intercontinental fuck off until it cannot possibly fuck of any more.

    Once at the very edge of the the last millimetre of Earth make Facebook dream the impossible dream into recording break outer-space fuck off to be set adrift forever.

    Fuck Mark "we don't spy on you but do record audio when recording video" Zuckerberg.

    Fuck that syphilitic data whore of two billion people out of existence.


    (I hope one day, when I have left this physical form that this important educational work would be recited in schools everywhere just after saluting the flag every morning.)

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  29. Re:Default Android install does not allow superuse by misxn · · Score: 4, Informative

    What's going on is that the user that found this has rooted his phone and noticed that the FB app requested for privilege escalation. An Android user who hasn't rooted his phone will not see such a request (from any app) since they don't have root to begin with. This is either a bug in the code that triggered privileged escalation, OR it is intentional. You pick. :)

  30. Let me guess by Tsolias · · Score: 1

    it's Russian hackers again

  31. bill_mcgonigle by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 2

    I'll be shocked if this wasn't developer code that should have been ifdeffed out for the final build. Most phones can't get Superuser, and every phone that can puts up a big dialog asking for permission first - there's just literally no way to sneak Superuser permission on Android and it's a very ineffective route for spying. This probably has something to do with the really kludgy file system access permissions that Android has been enforcing for a few releases now, hasn't been fixed yet, and is useful for making development a real pain in the neck.

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  32. As If We Needed Another Reason by kenwd0elq · · Score: 1

    The solution is simple enough; don't install the Facebook app. And don't use Facebook. Facebook's entire business model depends on making money by giving advertisers your personal information. They're selling access to your eyes.

  33. Media or something? by skipkent · · Score: 1

    I don't have Facebook but can you purchase items, media, etc through the app? I know when I installed the DirecTV app on my phone it was checking for root as a way to disallow rooted devices from using their streaming app. I had to use the magisk hide module to get around this.

  34. Re:Laziness and incompetence. by magarity · · Score: 1

    Youtube has no reason to have locations services. None.

    In all fairness there's a long list of licensing reasons why for a good number of their content videos they do need to know your national location.

  35. Re:Even silly games like MonsterStrike require it by AvitarX · · Score: 2

    That's seems about right, I don't know ow the game though.

    Contacts = invite friends
    Location = ads (the only one that seems questionable
    USB = get character avatar
    Wi-fi = warn when doing a large update not on WiFi
    Network = ads
    Run at start up. = Notifications = ads (another questionable one for a random game.

    Basically permissions are worthless, since everything wants access to your photos for some stupid reason, and everything needs network and location to advertise.

    I do like that the apps ask when they use in now, so I I can see, oh yes, they want access to my photos because I'm sending a photo the first time.

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  36. GET OFF FACEBOOK by Rick+Schumann · · Score: 1

    It's time to leave.

  37. Is #uninstallupdatesfacebook OK? by tepples · · Score: 1

    Not everybody can do that without buying a new phone, particularly people like Bob-Bob Hardyoyo whose Android phone has Facebook in the system partition. All they can do is "uninstall updates" and then "disable".

    1. Re:Is #uninstallupdatesfacebook OK? by msauve · · Score: 1

      "All they can do is "uninstall updates" and then "disable"."

      Which prevents the app from doing anything, including running. Problem solved. What's your point?

      BTW, the #deletefacebook tag refers to deleting fb accounts, not the app.

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    2. Re:Is #uninstallupdatesfacebook OK? by JackieBrown · · Score: 1

      In order to get the superuser prompt, you need to be rooted. So anyone effected by this update should be able to remove the app

  38. Re:Laziness and incompetence. by tepples · · Score: 1

    Then why is there no option for "I prefer not to specify my location and am fine with not viewing any regionally restricted videos"?

  39. Use FB Lite, or mobile browser by aap · · Score: 1

    The main FB app has a serious bloatware problem. This is just the latest symptom. I was using the mobile browser but the worldwide release of FB's own Lite app made me switch. It's pretty small, requests about 4 permissions, and doesn't crash if I deny them.

  40. Seriously guys... STOP USING FACEBOOK by Maxo-Texas · · Score: 1

    How bad does it have to get?

    I quite using Facebook 7 or 8 years ago after it "accidentally" reset privacy settings for the 3rd or 4th time and the founder said customers were idiots for giving him data and they had no right to privacy.

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  41. Hey Guys... by pincorrect · · Score: 1

    So, I had Shredded Wheat for breakfast, and turkey on rye for lunch. Here are the latest photos of Bob, my golden retriever: www.bite.me/now. My current status is: Cynical * 100. So, it looks like y'all are up to speed. I guess I won't install that Facebook app after all. Sorry Zuck, you can't have my contacts, my credit card #s, or my bank records, and I don't really need any more ads for non-gmo milk for that shredded wheat, or Alpo for Bob, but thanks anyway.

  42. sick duopoly pudding by epine · · Score: 1

    In a traditional permission system where you tell your OS what you will and won't allow, you could still run the Facebook app and notice when it fails to work normally—or when the OS terminates it outright.

    But that's not what we have. Imagine a town where everyone feels socially obligated to leave a house key under the door matt for the town priest, who basically just sleeps wherever he wants.

    Why Zuckerberg's 14-Year Apology Tour Hasn't Fixed Facebook — 6 April 2018

    Concert dates: 2006, 2007, 2008, 2010, 2018.

    This is a priest with a known history.

    He is also a priest with a known drinking problem, and anyone slipping him a ten spot in a dark alley will be quickly rewarded with choice gossip. To put it bluntly, sharing gossip is really the only thing that gets him out of bed in the morning.

    So what's he doing with all those house keys left conveniently under the door matt?

    Nobody knows, not for sure. I guess you just kind of close your eyes and pray that your children don't have any closer-to-God than God intended loose pyjama experiences.

    ———

    Me, I'm heading for the atheist exit. My phone is down to three apps: Firefox, Signal, and a password store (and some legacy cruft that won't survive my next phone purchase). Oh yeah, and a Google thing that plays podcasts (but mostly I still use my old iPod as a dedicated podcast device).

    I consider my phone the worst technology I've ever owned, and this list includes several different computers purchased before anyone not in the 1% could afford an actual hard drive.

    The "killer app" meme isn't what it once was, but here we have it: geographic and social ubiquity. And it was good. It was so good that two high priests strolled into town, wearing different hats, but both basically saying the same thing: "hey, everybody, start leaving your house keys under your front door matt" and don't worry, be happy if we share your close personal affairs with political operatives.

    And now we have an entire generation raising under a regime of not just tolerating, but pocketing quasi-consensual corporo-totalitarian spyware.

    ———

    Merely becoming a real atheist isn't good enough anymore. Now the motivated atheist needs to also live on the outskirts of town, and subsist on a routine diet of social media juniper berries.

    Fortunately, I've never much liked my illiterate fellow man. And this is a weird thing, because this is golden era like no other era before, where I can surround myself exclusively by the glitterati of every intellectual endeavour of life, whether print or YouTube on demand. I casually consume hours of books/lectures per day from the rock stars of the modern academy at basically no marginal cost (my computer is so weirdly configured, Google rarely delivers a single ad, and when an ad does come up on something that's not fungible in under 5 s, I slide the window to another desktop and mute my audio for 30 s, before returning for a quick rewind to content begin).

    I'm basically the Dwight Freeney of commercial bullshit.

    Athletes with Weird Eating Quirks

    For example, in the week leading up to a game that season, âoe[Freeney] ate beef and pinto beans and nothing else, not even for breakfast. ⦠If he goes to a restaurant, he brings his own ingredients and instructs the chef on how he wants it prepared—no oil, no pepper, no garlic, no garnish, no powder and certainly no pan spray

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    Where are all the other mental athletes out there, with similar dietary rigidity? The body is your temple, but your mind is junk heap? I guess while the abusive jocks were preening, all the sad-sack geeks internalized lazy, don't give a shit. Vi

    1. Re:sick duopoly pudding by HiThere · · Score: 1

      Well, I consider the Nook e-book reader a worse purchase than the phone, and there was some notebook device I bought a few years earlier that was still worse. I actually have uses for my phone, but it sure isn't as good as my previous non-smart phone.

      OTOH, I've never been tempted to download any apps. Perhaps if I did I'd consider the smart-phone a worse purchase. (My fingers are too large to consider the phone an acceptable keyboard, even for a a short note...or perhaps it's that I learned touch typing.)

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  43. Re:Laziness and incompetence. by religionofpeas · · Score: 2

    I would like an option to select exactly what kind of permissions I grant an app. If I then try to use it in a way that requires additional permissions, it would pop up a request saying that it needs permission to use such-and-such to proceed, allowing me a choice of a one-time or permanent extension of the permissions.

  44. Re: Laziness and incompetence. by tepples · · Score: 2

    Let me know when a major U.S. electronics showroom chain offers phones warranted to run LineageOS.

  45. Re: Laziness and incompetence. by c6gunner · · Score: 1

    Also, c6gunner, it's "lets," not "let's," in this context.

    I'll be sure to pass your criticism on to the people responsible for Google keyboard's autocorrect function.

  46. Re:Laziness and incompetence. by TheFakeTimCook · · Score: 1

    I would like an option to select exactly what kind of permissions I grant an app. If I then try to use it in a way that requires additional permissions, it would pop up a request saying that it needs permission to use such-and-such to proceed, allowing me a choice of a one-time or permanent extension of the permissions.

    You can have that today. Just buy an iOS device. That's basically the way iOS has worked for years.

  47. Re: Laziness and incompetence. by Aighearach · · Score: 1

    Wow, you're sure a needy one, aren't you? You not only insist on a warranty, without even knowing the price the item, and you want to buy it from a chain store, but you even insist on it having a showroom!

    Who fucking cares about that shit? What does any of that have to do with what you replied to? They were talking about allowing choice, not ensuring popularity. Yes, yes, I understand; you personally won't buy it unless you think it makes you look cool, and your sense of what is cool is weak and vapid. But who cares? Why would that be on the same subject as what other people are saying they want access to?

  48. Facebook has a history of pulling stunts like this by shm · · Score: 1

    They're now calling it a coding error. Yeah right. A coding error.

    They used to periodically fiddle with privacy defaults and would watch to see if people noticed. They only roll back if there's an uproar.

    There's no need for anyone to be on Facebook. You don't have 746.27 friends. They don't really like your posts; they just Like them so you will Like them back. They don't think you look Amazing in your selfies; they think that duckface is borderline mental, while making one themselves.

  49. Re: Laziness and incompetence. by tepples · · Score: 1

    you want to buy it from a chain store, but you even insist on it having a showroom!

    If a showroom is unimportant, then what steps should I take to evaluate the color reproduction accuracy, viewing angle, and response time of a display that I have never had a chance to see in person? Or the responsiveness of a touch digitizer that I have never had a chance to manipulate in person?

  50. Re: Laziness and incompetence. by Aighearach · · Score: 1

    You can't, it varies from device to device and whichever one they let you play with in a "showroom" isn't the one you'd want to buy because it isn't even new anymore.

    You can't even be sure that two devices next to each other on the shelf are from the same factory, much less the same batch, and even if they were from the same batch you can't be sure if the quality control procedures would let them mix displays from different suppliers into the same production run.

    Shorter: Get over yourself