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We're All Getting Dumber, Says Science (fastcompany.com)
dryriver shares a report from Fast Company: Researchers at Norway's Ragnar Frisch Center for Economic Research now have scientific proof of something we've long suspected -- we're all getting dumber. In their paper, "Flynn effect and its reversal are both environmentally caused," which was published in Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, Bernt Bratsberg and Ole Rogeberg report that IQ scores have been steadily dropping since the 1970s.
The study consisted of analyzing 730,000 IQ test results gleaned from young men entering Norway's compulsory military service from 1970 to 2009. They found that scores declined by an average of seven points per generation, a reversal of the so-called "Flynn effect" where IQ was seen to be rising during the first part of the 20th century. The decline may be due to environmental factors, but because the researchers couldn't find consistent trends among families, Bratsberg and Rogeberg discounted factors like parental education, family size, increased immigration, and genetics as significant causes.
The study consisted of analyzing 730,000 IQ test results gleaned from young men entering Norway's compulsory military service from 1970 to 2009. They found that scores declined by an average of seven points per generation, a reversal of the so-called "Flynn effect" where IQ was seen to be rising during the first part of the 20th century. The decline may be due to environmental factors, but because the researchers couldn't find consistent trends among families, Bratsberg and Rogeberg discounted factors like parental education, family size, increased immigration, and genetics as significant causes.
.... sounds exactly like one of those results that would vanish in a puff of annoyingly-irreproducible logic if anyone actually tried to replicate the underlying studies.
You know, like 90% of all other published research in the psychological sciences.
Manafort in prison, Cohen making deals... Yeah. Keep denying it moron. Mueller will see you now, traitor.
Or young men in Norway entering compulsory military service?
IQ tests measure education, not intelligence. This study just proves that.
In the early 20th century, human living conditions, including improvements in sanitation, hygiene, and dietary needs being met likely all contributed to a net rise in human cogitative performance, however atmospheric CO2 levels have also been steadily rising in that time.
Then there's this.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/p...
So yeah. Probably CO2 level rise has caught up to the benefits of improved standards of living.
One important thing about this study - it shows that there is not a strong genetic correlation with any of these findings. That means it is very unlikely that this represents any kind of "Idiocracy"-like trend of the 'dumb genes' outnumbering 'smart genes.'
Rather, as mentioned, it is a cultural/environmental set of factors.
If this is replicated outside of Norway, perhaps we've been making ourselves more dumb, either by forcing our less-well-off to live without access to education, or distracting ourselves in such a way that we no longer pass tests as children anymore.
On the skeptical side, while the Flynn effect studies counter for cultural-shift in popular knowledge pretty well - there could still be some measurement effect in there, like fewer students being able to cheat, or fewer administrators getting away with fudging numbers.
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"The chosen ones" dumbing down our Aryan populations decade after decade, not to mention flooding our countries with sub-human monkeys from MENA. What a shocker that people are getting dumber...
Acing the S.A.T. will involve being in a cage with 2 crossed chains infront of you, with only one having the carrot slice at the end. If you get the carrot, you pass!
The more society takes care of people, the less is demanded of its citizens faculties.Evolution takes care of not wasting unnecessary resources. It could also be that the Norwegian army has become better at screening applicants and we all know the better soldier is the stupider one.
Interesting,
I did read some time ago about a similar study in Finland, i.e. people doing the IQ test when entering the army. Link: https://yle.fi/uutiset/osasto/news/studies_show_average_finnish_intelligence_declining_since_1997/7792598
There the "smartest" kids were born around 1977 and after that the results have declined each year. As in Finland army is compulsory for men, most of the men get tested around the same age, so the sample size is pretty significant.
Getting a little bored with the "Science" Says claims, like there's some governing body of authorised scientists that make things official.
I've started replacing that term in my mind with "some random dude claims".
Never happened. True story.
"Norwegians are getting dumber"
"Eve of Destruction", it's not just for old hippies anymore...
Come on, this is a culture changing over time thing. Who wants the extra scrutiny from the government that a good score might bring? Is there any patriotism left in the populace? Haven't they wiped it out by now? It's not like you get to fly fighter planes with a great score.
When you mix a hodgepodge of paint colors you get a hue of mud. Miscegenation degrades the Swedish stock, replacing intelligent genes with genes from lesser beings. It's been known since the time of Gregor Mendel.
First thought that comes to mind is the "idiot box". Though come to think of it there were lots of things we did in school that aren't covered today, so I can't rule that out.
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IQ is pretty much fixed within the first few years of life, so "we" aren't getting dumber. Younger generations are less intelligent than older generations according to this research.
Once again, the US of A is leading the world!
Who made the bold generalization to replace "young men entering Norway's compulsory military service" with "we all"? And would that person have been smarter forty years ago?
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Intelligence is overrated. There're plenty of 'tards out there living really kick-ass lives.
They fucking voted Donald Trump!
It's the commercialisation of television. Free market competition has no mandate to educate. Education takes a lot of effort - which equates to money in market terms.
And of course that's applies equally to Facebook.
It's obvious, people aren't learning anymore and committing things to memory. They just rely on their electronic devices to answer every question without actually going to the process of acquiring knowledge that stays with them.... so less brain exercise = lower IQ.
Looking at how the comments here at /. have changed, I too see a pattern...
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I started writing a reply, then realised that without more information it's hard to analyse the problem, and the article isn't freely available, unfortunately.
IQ tests don't test a single aspect of intelligence, and it matters what kind of tests have lower scores. Do these have more to fluid or crystallised intelligence? We could then further speculate what caused the particular change. For example, education has moved over the years to better address how girls learn, and it could have negatively affected how boys learn to think.
Since i'm now old I see every new generation.... Its is quite apparent.
I blame the internet, its totally stunts any mental growth.
If you what to know something, look it up on the internet, which is fine, but...
if its something they could have worked out themselves they don't learn how or practice those skills.
There is also all the time wasted on the internet... watching and reading utterly pointless crap.
You're a mental growth!
I self identify with a a 200000000 IQ black jew from Norway. I have not been counted, and if you did the math you would see that the average is higher. This is another patriarchical tactic to put down women, by claiming that men are getting 'dumber'. Any help is needed by women, not by these misoginists greedily stealing reosurces that should be used to help minorities in dire need of help such as women.
I'm sort of in the ADHD camp. I've read a bit about the subject and somewhat adhere to the theory that a) ADHD isn't as much a disorder rather than a genetic predestination. Roughly 10% of society being Hunter/Gatherer (creative, priest, leader, rebell, etc,), the rest being farmers/settlers. It's a bit of a chicken/egg problem: Do I have low self-esteem because im ADHD or do I have ADHD as a symptom of low self-esteem? Or is both linked to brain performance or is both linked to lack of social proof for aberrant behavior (minimalist stoic)?
Childhood media consumption definitely plays into this, as it trains us to look for emotional states that are fully decoupled from the "mundane" reality around us.
I however have also noticed how much nutrition and psychological factors play into emotional wellbeing and how much that plays into brain performance.
Another thing that happened recently is that I finally had my nose-divider corrected (at the age of 47). I, for the first time in my life, can breathe properly. Or at least way better than before. The difference in my cognitive abilities is palpable. I can concentrate longer and deeper with less strain. I'm pretty sure that my confidence has risen due to that and that feeds back into my ability to concentrate. Sleep-apnosis is know to severely influence cognitive abilities (access to oxygen).
Last but not least, I've noticed how extremely nutrition influences cognitive performance. Processed foods make me less concentrated and more sleepy vis-a-vis organic fresh foods. Again, the difference is palpable.
Bottom line:
There are some theories about rising CO2 levels and whatnot, but I bet dollars to donuts that if IQ really is declining again across the board that childhood media consumption and nutrition are the most significant factors playing into this.
And I have some personal anecdotal evidence to back this up.
My 2 cents.
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At least the president is a 'stable genius'.
I still contend that computer usage makes smart people smarter and dumb people dumber (yet the now-dumber people think they're smarter).
You need to stop trying so hard. This is pathetic.
> ... Unless there is something VERY special about Norway, a wide-spread trend that cannot be attributed to education, gender, religion, or other environmental factor has pretty good predictive qualities, since the sample size is large, and unbiased (Only males tested most likely, but the service is compulsory, not voluntary ...
World population, roughly 7.6 billion
Population of Norway is about 5.3 million
5300000 / 7600000000 = 0.00069736842, or 0.069736842%
Sample size of Norwegian males is 730,000
730000 / 7600000000 = 0.00009605263, or 0.009605263%
How can anyone claim that humans are getting dumber based on a sample which is less than 0.01% of the total world population?
Graduating from high school results in a 9th degree education instead of a 12th degree education like it once did. Public school education lags three years compared to what it used to teach.
Captcha: boring, as in teacher please teach us something we do not already know
I know my skills have diminished due to electronic devices.
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Perhaps we are investing more time in skills (mostly technology related) that did not exist when these test were devised.
We have too many helpers that answer stuff for us. Calculators, AI, computers, smartphones. I know high school kids who can't make change correctly. We have replaced thinking with depending on technology to do it for us. But beyond that we seem to be a race that has gone backwards in civility, respect for authority, and parenting has become dreadfully unfocused on the basics and creates too many kids who are lousy students. I doubt environment has anything to do with it. But society has everything to do with it.
I have seen the presentation of the team (in Czech).
Looked pretty professional and trustworthy source, but of course I have probably an already lowered IQ so I cannot be a judge of it.
https://web.natur.cuni.cz/fleg...
When the tests were designed, different skills were considered essential and thus were the focus of education and training.
I am sure that if you try antique intelligence tests on modern people, they'll score as being stupid as a rock. And vice versa.
Immigration is certainly part of this. As Trump said (he was right too), Mexican immigrants coming across the border are not their best. Immigration is a big piece of the dropping IQ.
At the same time IQ has been falling, average age of mothers at first birth in Norway has been rising. Per the CIA fact book, in 2015, the average for motherâ(TM)s age at time of first birth was 28.9. Per recent news articles it is now past 30. In 1950, the average age at first birth was 22.8, by 1970 it was 26.7. Women have had more options and opportunity to delay childbirth in western industrialized countries.
Source https://www.demographic-research.org/Volumes/Vol2/3/html/2.htm
Most probably what constitutes intelligence is changing due to social and technological changes. Analog clocks are being removed from schools, I've read, because children cannot read them in a digital age. And what about cursive writing? There must be many subtle and obvious changes that are affecting what passes as intelligence. It could just be that the theory and testing of intelligence is lagging the massive changes that have taken place in the last 50 years..
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It's not the /. of 10 years before
Probably because modern technologies and medicine almost eliminated the natural selection. Even high intelligence isn't that essential for most of us.
I have no science ti back this up, but seams this seems reasonable... .. At least in the western world.
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... and I'm sure it's going to get worse.
It seems to me this is just a function of time we live in, and the hedonistic culture we kinda trend towards. Too much comfort basically, it's just a chase to get bigger screen tv, more RAM, better phone with more storage so you can dump more stuff on it, more comfortable couch, black friday sales 50 % off everything, etc.
People that have it hard(er) and are forced to think and improvise to survive (and if they don't, evolution does its thing..) surely wouldn't display same results on these tests.
There were times people did everything by themselves in their lives. Now we have machines that do everything by themselves... or are trying to have them.
I wouldn't be surprised if people couldn't read a map anymore. Fix their plumbing.
That is just the average change. Are we told anything about the standard deviation - is that moving, possibly broader or shrinking.
Is it possible that some of the population are getting dimmer (or whatever IQ tests measure) but that the number of "geniuses" is increasing too.
politicians are like babies' nappies: they should both be changed regularly and for the same reasons
Maybe it's just the test quality that has increased and we are getting much more realistic results than we got in the 70s?
People (I guess just people who use electronic devices several times a day) have shorter attention spans than they did in the year 2000. These two articles state that our attention spans have dropped from 12 seconds to 8 seconds, since the year 2000. (8 seconds is 1 second less than a goldfish's attention span.)
The first article says, "a lot of that reduction stems from a combination of smartphones and an avalanche of content."
1st) as flawed as IQ tests are, they make a strong effort to avoid testing for one's education because the whole purpose is to measure your ability to think.
2nd) a great education can make you smarter but if you don't use it, you lose it.
3rd) The USA public school decline since the late 70s has nothing to do with this study, that has to do with the American public which polled higher for education as a priority so then the Republicans took it up as a major issue when previously it was lower on their list and largely conceded to the opposition. It is the political war between parties that began after that point that has harmed the American education system. Not saying it is all the Republican's fault; it's mostly the public's fault for shifting their priorities but not enough to actually THINK beyond marketing slogans; although, after a certain point too high a priority makes you more irrational!
4th) We all know but won't want to deal with the real reasons for this trend... stupid people have more kids and modern civilization keeps them alive and reproducing at rates never before possible.
5th) Technology also greatly hinders development in children and continued mental activity in adults. Television puts your brain into a lower state than sleeping, for example. The consumer society of constant escapism has you going for dopamine fixes non-stop which not only distracts from brain use but also diminishes any intellectual highs one gets from figuring things out. Hell, even video games today are mostly just feel-good reward systems without any difficulty; perfected to the point of these addictive pointless mobile games. oh ,and don't read a BOOK and THINK -- checkout my cat videos on facebook!
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...just Norwegians are getting dumber.
Rome taught me patience and assiduous application to detail. Virtues which temper the boldness of great, general views.
Why bother learning anything, when the entire knowledge database of the world can be had at your fingertips.
n/t
This study has just confirmed my own findings that both my teachers in my college and my students now are dumber than me.
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No i don't think that's a WE.... NORWAY IS GETTING DUMBER. that's the real title.
And since they let in all the muslims that rape their women and destroy their country....
Yes.. yes they are getting dumber.
not my problem.
Joke's on you, i never got that smart anyway!
This generation of iPad kids are seriously in trouble. They can barley talk to humans, they have always had 'simple' answers at their fingertips thats just enough. and physical labor isn't what they do. Why learn physics when you can youtube a 1 min clip to explain gravity.
Social justice.
It basically encourages lack of actual critical thought. Rots your brain.
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If "the network is the computer" and we're the network, were going to end up doing something stupid like elect Donald Trump.
the findings of the report. Unlike years ago, I should probably explain this now: the quality of the articles and comments has dropped over the years.
I gotta take a selfie.
Human intelligence is not accurately rateable based on IQ tests - they do not accurately measure what they set out to.
You can't distil any single person/creatures intelligence, into a unitary number ffs - it's an utterly stupid concept.
There are always exceptions to military service for health, disability, conscientious objections to killing people etc. So it is possible that this study just shows that brighter individuals are using those exceptions to avoid military service.
Indeed if you look at what wikipedia has to say it seems that while 60,000 are available for conscription every year only 8-10,000 are actually conscripted. The article also suggests that they select "unmotivated" fit people and you can get out of it with a "good reason".
I'd argue that these selection biases mean that you are less likely to conscript smart people since they are more likely to be able to figure out what they need to do to avoid conscription.
Of course sanding down all the Eugenics programs that killed all the dumb people and kept them from breeding.
And these dumb people have now formed the new rules of our societal network. Their slave morality providing the basis of what we call equality today.
So I'm not sure how we could be getting Dumber because they're all the same right?
But there's no way you'll be reading this because most people are indoctrinated into thinking that someone who cares about the strong, intelligent, and self-driven, is just selfish.
The world was better when our intellectuals we're the ones running things in the slaves knew their place.
And the Universe responded by making bigger and better idiots.
Any sufficiently unpopular but cohesive argument is indistinguishable from trolling.
Bratsberg and Rogeberg discounted factors like parental education, family size, increased immigration, and genetics as significant causes.
TFS forgot "tried to" ... confounding factors are, well, confounding sometimes ...
I seem to recall Norway transitioning from Bokmal to Nynorsk ... not sure the exact timeframe or how complete it was? Maybe that could have some effect?
I figure its a result of not having to think for oneself.
I won't waste my time reading this. The problem I'm sure is a result of television and movies. How they are created is just as important as content. With the 5 second rule, no one camera should be shown for more than 5 seconds unless to emphasize a dramatic event, and action shots not lasting more than 1 second the brain can't focus on the content. For this reason is why we get so many special effects movies with garbage writing as 80% of people don't even understand or realize their is a 'plot', just flash and sizzle that captures their attention.
With the decline of attention span, we become more impatient, nervous, angry, and in general less social. Add in the content of sick violence that defies good taste and you have Hollywood's finest showing what they really think of you and what they want to do to you if they could. lol
Second point which is repeated every decade or so, there IS NO IQ TEST. Search for the originals of the so-called "IQ TEST" and you'll see that this test was designed for children and the authors even acknowledged that this is not appropriate for adults.
Yes, our education system sucks. But that isn't the same as an "IQ test".
Disagree, answer this question. If our education system is so good, tell me what job you were qualified to perform upon graduation that didn't require any further education? With the exception of technical schools you weren't even qualified to work at McDonalds as you couldn't perform a single task there without instructions, and that includes cleaning the floors!!!!
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People need more electrolytes. It's what IQ craves.
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They are required by the brain to function.
And they have been increasingly missing in the so-called "food" we eat nowadays, and get used up by it during digestion.
But frankly ... there are a lot of hypotheses. Unless we actually check them, we can speculate a thousand years, and get nowhere. (And it will be too late by then anyway.)
In my country there has been a continual push away from the idea of "failure" for the last 40 years. I am curious if this lack of negative feedback has had an effect on our cultural work ethic.
It would be a mistake to correlate this to the results of this study though, as the population of my country entering Norway's armed forced is statistically insignificant.
I would be curious to know if a similar phenomenon exists in that country. Can any native Norwegians speak to the prevalence of participation trophies, unscored sports games, and educational "failing up" in your homeland?
Lol. Some of us are still sufficiently brained, but yes, many are definitely sliding. I think it's largely conditioning and learned helplessness thanks to bad parenting, mainly liberal (though not exclusively) government agendas, and various addictions, though. I suspect this comes from millennials looking at their own generation, and indeed, you are more stupid and less competent than people were even 25 years ago. Don't lump the rest of us (yes, we do exist, and if we didn't you wouldn't enjoy the ease you can't seem to find a drop of gratitude for that our hard work has provided and does provide) in there, we do not suffer from snowflakeitis. It is why we are the actual generation that doesn't get to retire, we will be carrying millennial asses to our graves. Good luck after that.
> We're All Getting Dumber, Says Science
If it's not genes maybe it's environment, specifically the amount of rigor in our news feed. Sloppy language, sloppy thinking, lower scores on IQ tests.
Not only are we not "all" getting dumber, but "science" didn't say we were. This is a fixable problem. It just takes editors getting smarter. :) Or for most internet media, it means reporters getting smarter, since much internet news is unedited, er, "self-edited", when posted.
I believe the elites want a dumber population that easier to control and sell. Glenn Seaborg famous said, "If a foreign government had imposed this system of education on the United States, we would rightly consider it an act of war." But it not a foreign government, the oligarchs within. RESIST - PERSIST. Education yourself!
"It riles them to believe
That you perceive
The web they weave
And keep on thinking free."
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Lower quality/standards in education with a higher consumption of information of lower quality = lower test scores.
Exactly.
"You know, like 90% of all other published research in the psychological sciences." Or maybe 98% of that research is somewhat or mostly wacky?
Maybe the actual issue: The smart people in Norway are avoiding military service?
Another subject about Norway:
Norway is rehabilitative, not destructive, to those who commit crimes. Michael Moore's film, Where to Invade Next explored the system in Norway, and prompted articles like this one: Why Norway's prison system is so successful. Quote from that article: "... when criminals in Norway leave prison, they stay out. It has one of the lowest recidivism rates in the world at 20%. The US has one of the highest: 76.6% of prisoners are re-arrested within five years."
Being destructive to those who commit crimes is another crime, a crime committed by the government.
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The only thing we know for sure is that the idiotic editors of FastCompany are stupid and getting stupider.
Aside from the fact that "dumb" refers to speech ability and has nothing to do with IQ...
this test refers to conscripts in one country's military, it says nothing about the general population. And there is no reason to assume that group reflects society as a whole.
it is an aggregate test that takes about the average intelligence of its very specific group, nothing about "we're all getting" anything. The group can be getting stupider on average while the smartest are getting smarter
IQ doesn't even work the way these idiots seem to think it does. It's supposed to be a comparative ranking with current society. There is no way to compare tests taken 30 years ago with tests taken today. If someone in 1970 scored 100 and someone in 2018 scores 110 today, there is no comparison you can legitimately draw between the two.
And since IQ is a normal distribution against current society, by definition of IQ, IQ of the population is constant.
Less crime. No.
Less people report it because the police and/or courts donâ(TM)t do anything.
More and more crimes are classified as âoelow priority.â More crimes these days fit a âoecatch and releaseâ profile. More crimes have been decriminalised.
Itâ(TM)s not good. It is different from the âoeold daysâ but not better. Worse in the long term because crime now is to be âoemanagedâ not dealt with.
You have to take out of the sample christians and pedophiles, therefore you will notice te IQ rising
I suggest that you review the definition of the word "Compulsory."
I suggest that you review the definition of the word "Unbiased." ... the tests are applied to *ALL MALE CITIZENS*. Since this is literally a sample size of "All male citizens of service age in Norway from the start year, to the terminus year", you are talking a very large and unbiased (by ethnicity, race, cultural upbringing, religious practice, affluence level, ... etc.) sample. The only demographic excluded is likely to be female gender, which I explicitly lamplit. Unless you want to make a compelling argument that women are intellectually inferior to men (*gigglesnort*) in the face of a wide number of well reviewed studies to the contrary of that assertion, there is no grounds to claim systemic bias of the sample.
It's systematically biased by sex. ...), healthcare system, and I could go on.
It's systematically biased by country of citizenship - which means by race, ethnicity, CHANGES in ethnicity due to immigration, residence, educational system, language, media exposure, diet, political events, disease exposure, environmental stresses (weather, pollution,
Generalizing from data collected on all draft-age Norwegian males to the state of the entire human race is one of the the kinds of misstep that cause "real scientists" to look down their noses at research work done in the "soft sciences". Did the authors actually make this "all of us" claim, or is it hype hung on their results by the media (or their institution's media relations group)?
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That is a lie consistently spread by the IQ measurement community, mostly because they want to sell you something. When you look at actual reality, you find that the IQ is rarely the limiter of what people understand and what not. Much more important is how they chose to use their IQ (usually they do not) and what starting point they chose for chains of reasoning (usually some irrational one they never challenge, randomly copied from the media from peers). With this prevalent mistakes, IQ becomes a minor factor.
Most ACs are not even worth the keystrokes to insult them. Be generically insulted by this and ignored otherwise.
Have they received their fair share of Beavis and Butthead, coupled with canned American TV shows?
Coming from the land of Jesus, Wrestling, plastic tits, Disneyland, the "two-party" "representative democracy" and and the American Dream...
when exactly do you believe that time was?
How are people supposed to have a chance to grow up into critical thinkers, if they are born into such a society?
A society where even science is perverted into its absurd opposite, entirely missing the point, with statements such as "I *believe* in science" and "the Church of Science", and most importantly, using the concept of empiricism and "facts" due to the inability to understand, how one can be scientific while accepting that reality is relative and that there is no absolute truth or proof or "facts", when that is half the damn point of the scientific model over religion.
Unless there is something VERY special about Norway, a wide-spread trend that cannot be attributed to education, gender, religion, or other environmental factor has pretty good predictive qualities, since the sample size is large, and unbiased (Only males tested most likely, but the service is compulsory, not voluntary.
Service in Norway is NOT compulsory.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
About 60,000 Norwegians are available for conscription every year, but only 8,000 to 10,000 are conscripted.[2] In earlier times, up until at least the early 2000s, all men aged 19â"44 were subject to mandatory service, with good reasons required to avoid becoming drafted.
Besides that decline in conscription, actual numbers of conscripts are around 14% of eligible Norwegian males, cause "the number of applicants each year exceeds the needs of the Armed Forces".
Further, researchers aren't showing a decline of IQ in Norway, nor anywhere else.
They are working with a presumption of a decline in IQ and trying to hammer their "observation" peg into that presumed roundish hole.
Using administrative register data with information on family relationships and cognitive ability for three decades of Norwegian male birth cohorts, we show that the increase, turning point, and decline of the Flynn effect can be recovered from within-family variation in intelligence scores.
This establishes that the large changes in average cohort intelligence reflect environmental factors and not changing composition of parents, which in turn rules out several prominent hypotheses for retrograde Flynn effects.
I.e. They claim that they can explain presumed IQ decline by extrapolating measured in-family IQ decline.
Problem is - they don't actually have the data to show that. And they are blind to their own biases regarding all the preconceptions they are juggling.
From study's appendix it's pretty obvious that the IQ sample was both changing in structure AND reducing in sample size over the years.
Number of recruits born between 1964 and 1972 varied between 30440 and 32148.
1973-1980 we see a drop from 29159 down to 23900.
1981-1989 rises slowly from 23317 up to 26484.
But far more important is the fact that they are NOT ACTUALLY FINDING THE IQ DECLINE AMONG THE NORWEGIAN CONSCRIPTS.
All that they ARE accurately finding is that the number of IQ tests among conscripts has declined by 10 percentage points, over a decade.
From TFS:
Conscription test coverage declined substantially for cohorts born after 1980, with coverage rates falling from 93% in 1980 to 83% in 1991 (Fig. 3A).
So not only is the number of conscripts declining, number of conscripts taking IQ tests has declined even more.
Which they then take to consideration - and pull the following nonsense out of the thin air.
Focusing on families with sons in the first two parities and plotting the share of unscored younger siblings by the observed IQ score of the older brother, lower scoring firstborns were more likely to have unscored younger brothers (Fig. 3B).
The problem is exacerbated toward the end of our data window: Among the 198-1991 birth cohorts, fully 30% of those whose older sibling scored in the bottom IQ bracket have missing IQ scores.
As sibling scores are correlated, this implies that low-ability males are less likely to be scored, and that the selection was stronger for the cohorts born in the late 1980s than for those from the 1960s and 1970s.
I.e. Not only are they ASSUMING correlation between IQs of sibli
Mit der Dummheit kämpfen Götter selbst vergebens
You have to admit, humans faced much stronger selective pressure in the past.
The people I know who have the most kids are too dumb to use birth control reliably.
The smart people I know (genius level) have 1 or 0 children.
It could be a fluke of data... or yea.. dumb people might be becoming a larger portion of the population.
She was like chocolate when she drank... semi-sweet at first and then increasingly bitter.
Evolution can go in more than one direction.
The data and abstract doesn't show what is claimed in the headline. It shows a slowdown of the Flynn effect but the people in the studies are still smarter than 1970s cohorts.
What's more is that the data clearly declares bias: only Norwegian males born from two Norwegian parents are included. Moreover the scoring systems were changed in the 1980s and in the early 2000s and they indicate the data is thus less accurate.
So basically: people entering the Norwegian military are not getting progressively smarter as we thought. Or: people that aren't smart enough to avoid military service are getting dumber.
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smart people are focusing on their careers instead of having kids, and work and educational "opportunity" punish family life. The future belongs to those who show up for it.
First drop in IQ was when calculators were cheap enough to be used by students instead of a slide rule.
Next drop in IQ occurs when home computers replaced typewriters. No longer do you have to type carefully or learn to spell.
Next drop in IQ is the removable of cash from our society. No longer do you have to do basic arithmetic to buy something.
And the most recent drop in IQ is the use of smartphones to beam in a constant stream of online drivel into a child's brain.
In the future we won't be learning penmanship in schools. Already basic cursive writing is unknown to our youngest generation. We have underestimated the influence on development that the physical act of writing has. Having to repetitively practice movements in order to communicate the written word established structures in the brain that are built upon for a lifetime.
I'm getting smarter every day!
The browning of 1st world.
If you let in populations that have IQ around 70-90, then no wonder.
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But the reason we are here in this topic, is because Norway used to have mandatory conscription screening, which did produce a lot of statistics about its population.
In the age group of 18, there is roughly 70.000 each year. Since conscription is unisex these days, even if its a 2/3 male/female split. So 17.000 of those gets called in for all the tests: Physical, aptitude, perception, mental ability. So the sad part is that we don't test the other 53.000. And another thing is that statistics will skew as the total amount of boys tested will go down. But since this is a national endeavor, the statistical skew will affect the more populated areas a lot more than any rural region, and Norway has a lot of rural regions.
So past that, Norway wants about 9000 conscripts, conscripting what it can.
And there is a lot surrounding this. Screen has been gradually reduced, alongside smaller number of conscripts.
In 2012, Civil Service was removed. This used to apply to people with the aptitude, but with clashing moral reasons to serve the army.
In the early 2000s, a change was made to stop doing the interview screening process with the local police, and instead went for a online form.
Somewhere in the 1990s, the amount of conscript was reduced, but not the extensive screening process. This is what happens when Soviet Russia collapses into something lesser.
1977, women where allowed to enter all parts of the army, assuming they passed physical screening.
This is also a topic where its hard to google for information, since very few newspaper articles will publish the line of historical events.
It's because there is much less Iodine in the diet. Dairies used to use iodine based disinfectant but that has been discontinued.
The IQ of the world is a constant.
The population is increasing.
Stop having so many kids!
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Fuck the money-stealing non-working Content Mafia leeches!
I usually only make informative posts on YouTube and similar outlets yet I get banned from nearly all of them for spreading accurate information that "normal" people don't agree with. These systems are DESIGNED to make us stupid.
We are living out the scenario illustrated in the movie Idiocracy.
..They hide all their research behind a paywall.
This isn't news. Carl Sagan was gravely concerned about this.
We'll make great pets
How many of the participants watch Fox News and/or Infowars? Those people could be throwing the curve.
In the olden days it was 99% garbage and 1% quality, now it's 100% garbage. Where are today's films that compare to the golden age of cinema?
For your consideration:
* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Academy_Awards#Current_categories
* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toronto_International_Film_Festival_People%27s_Choice_Award
Some schools are even doing away with homework. Can you fucking IMAGINE??? Lazy kids, stupid parents.
We have become TOO reliant upon technology to shift the "busy work" of our thinking.
Calculators. Devices to remind us of appointments. Google maps to navigate.
If the points dropped across the board by around 7 points wouldnâ(TM)t the scores people receive be around the same? Since itâ(TM)s just based on an average?
My vote goes for the Trump effect.
Science says we are all getting dumber? Well, all I can say to that is Pffffffffffffffffffffffffftttttttttt
IQ scores measure intelligence? I've got a bridge to sell you.
I thought the IQ test was only valid on children as it essentially measures precociousness.
So, maybe the findings have more to do with the test and the age of the people to whom it is being administered?
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That was because you filed a false DMCA request and they deleted the post. We can prove it's false because they unbanned FCLM and then banned your Anonymous Cashews account.
Who wrote the Tardchris containment FAQ?
I think we should add links to additional detailed content offsite that thoroughly explains, with examples, what he will do if he is allowed to run around unchecked. Once the entire site is up to speed on the saga then containing him won't be any extra work for anyone.
Right now he makes a new sock. Whores for karma as much as his posting limit will allow. Start spamming his projects as long as his karma holds out.
He's contained because he gets caught in the karma whoring phases of his cycle, containment will become effortless and endlessly self-sustaining when we have the whole forum reporting tardchris in his larval stages.
i agree most are, but NOT ALL (ahem...)