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The iPhones of the Future May Be Wireless, Portless and Buttonless (cnet.com)

The first iPhone to shed its headphone jack was the iPhone 7, which launched in late 2016. Now it seems like the Lightning port may be the next to go. CNET reports: Apple has considered removing the Lightning port on the iPhone X, according to Bloomberg, citing unnamed "people familiar with the company's work." While earlier rumors suggested that Apple would remove the Lightning port in favor of USB-C, Apple's goal may be to remove all ports entirely.

Bloomberg's report is about the challenges that Apple faces with its AirPower wireless charger, but it also shares some details about Apple's vision for a wireless future. The report says: "Apple designers eventually hope to remove most of the external ports and buttons on the iPhone, including the charger, according to people familiar with the company's work. During the development of the iPhone X, Apple weighed removing the wired charging system entirely. That wasn't feasible at the time because wireless charging was still slower than traditional methods. Including a wireless charger with new iPhones would also significantly raise the price of the phones."

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  1. So people find their phones still usable... by Kenja · · Score: 4, Insightful

    and they want to fix that?

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    1. Re:So people find their phones still usable... by msauve · · Score: 1

      Yeah, Apple seems to be getting more and more user hostile for the sake of "style." (or maybe "courage"?)

      "Including a wireless charger with new iPhones would also significantly raise the price of the phones."

      And not including one would still raise the price, since people would still have to buy a charger.

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    2. Re:So people find their phones still usable... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      It gets even worse. People want to be able to repair their phones so they last more than 2 years.

      And Fairphone has arisen to meet that need.

      I realize this looks like a shameless plug, what with me being an AC and all. I thought about proving my legitimacy by insulting the intelligence of the OP, but he didn't give me enough material to work with. So I will just have to hope you believe me when I say I am a satisfied customer.

      I guess I do have an agenda in that I don't want them to go out of business, since I need them around to sell me the replacement parts, when the time comes....

    3. Re:So people find their phones still usable... by AmiMoJo · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The Fairphone 2 doesn't seem like a good deal I'm afraid.

      The price is â530, which is a lot more than flagships from companies like OnePlus and Xaomi. You get Android 6.0 and no sign of regular updates, a mediocre camera and a removable battery. So really the only major benefit is the removable battery, and in practice it's not difficult to replace the battery in a OnePlus or even most of the non-Apple flagships.

      Replacement parts are a nice idea, but you have to compare that to buying a phone that costs half as much and replacing it twice as often. Even with replacement parts this thing won't last forever.

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    4. Re:So people find their phones still usable... by jellomizer · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Why do you think that. Because of random slashdot comments from guys who are still pissed that the GUI overtook the command line interface.
      Or the fact that you can’t use do software development on it?
      Apple has grown by leaps and bounds from the release of the iPhone.
      Even with competition with Android who makes a really competitive and popular products apple is able to hold its own.
      I haven’t seen a new PC in a while with serial, parallel ports. I haven’t seen a tape interface port in generations.

      Why would we want ports on our phone when they are useful wireless alternatives.

      The device is useful for its intended purpose

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    5. Re:So people find their phones still usable... by DCFusor · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I read that title as "pointless", myself.

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    6. Re:So people find their phones still usable... by strikethree · · Score: 1

      Delivery only in continental UK/Europe. *sigh*

      I was just about to buy one. Seems like a nice phone at a reasonable price. ~$600.

      Americans, this phone is not for you unless you have a shipping location in the EU. :(

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    7. Re: So people find their phones still usable... by lsatenstein · · Score: 1

      So if the next iPhone is Wireless, portless, and buttonless, it might also be consumer less

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    8. Re: So people find their phones still usable... by ArmoredDragon · · Score: 1

      Actually the problem is getting Apple fanboys to shut the hell up. This problem has existed since long before iPhone transformed them into iFans. Even before the Newton. Being around Apple fans is like a 24/7 gay pride event.

      Yes, you exist, I didn't say otherwise. No, I don't want you to show me your iphone, keep it in your pants.

  2. They would be more waterproof by bobstreo · · Score: 4, Funny

    I guess after all ports are removed, the next idea would be to remove the leading cause of repairs, if there is no screen, it won't crack... /s

    1. Re: They would be more waterproof by xxxJonBoyxxx · · Score: 5, Funny

      Screenless but fuck it, we're doing five cameras!

    2. Re:They would be more waterproof by arth1 · · Score: 1, Flamebait

      You're kidding, but I am sure that someone at Samsung or Ericsson or wherever Apple steals ideas have already thought of a completely voice operated phone, as well as ones that requires wearing remote glasses or miracast to get a screen.

    3. Re:They would be more waterproof by user32.ExitWindowsEx · · Score: 3, Insightful

      A voice operated phone.....operators will make a comeback.
      Then hipsters will demand actual human operators connect their calls.

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    4. Re:They would be more waterproof by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 5, Funny

      Voice is so 2000. Pushbuttons are so 70s. REAL phones, for quality POTS use, need a rotary dial. Unless you hear the clicks and feel the spin, you're really not experiencing real phone calls...

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    5. Re:They would be more waterproof by arth1 · · Score: 4, Informative

      The phone we had when I grew up did not have a dial, just a small crank where the dial would normally go. Cranking it produced a current that lit up a lamp at the operator's board, and she would ask where to connect us, and tell us how many arms and legs it would cost per minute. For long distance, she would also intercept every now and then during the call to say "four minutes" or similar.
      At my father's work was a small plaque above The phone saying "Express yourself in brevity".

      A more civilized phone for a more civilized time.

    6. Re:They would be more waterproof by JaredOfEuropa · · Score: 1

      At my father's work was a small plaque above The phone saying "Express yourself in brevity".

      Our phones are different now but we have kept that sentiment. After all we use smileys and abbreviations or contractions like "LOL" or "ur" instead of "your" in texts.

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    7. Re:They would be more waterproof by tehcyder · · Score: 2

      The phone we had when I grew up did not have a dial, just a small crank where the dial would normally go.

      A crank? You were lucky...

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    8. Re: They would be more waterproof by PixetaledPikachu · · Score: 1

      I thought you were going to say "gaze lovingly at their own reflection".

      You can if you upgrade to the piano black version

    9. Re:They would be more waterproof by sad_ · · Score: 1

      obviously this is where we are going.
      not screenless, but at least touchscreenless.
      just take those alexa or google home things, slim them way down and slap a screen on it.
      you basically have your voice controlled phone.

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    10. Re:They would be more waterproof by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 1

      Ahh, operator assist and party-line phones. I remember them well (for instance, picking up, waiting for the operator, then saying "Sunset 2 3443" to call my friend about 7 blocks over. I wonder if they could make a comeback, it could be an analog analogue of Tumblr... I sense - Startup opportunity!

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    11. Re:They would be more waterproof by d0rp · · Score: 1

      Not sure if you're entirely serious, but I don't see that ever happening.

      1. There are lots of places where society wouldn't allow you to control your phone via voice, such as waiting rooms

      2. People will want to be able to do things on their phones without everyone around them hearing what they're doing.

      3. If multiple people in a confined area are using their phones, things could get messy pretty quickly (at least until the technology advances enough to reliably recognize individual voices).

    12. Re:They would be more waterproof by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 1

      You were the weird kid who ate paste and could whistle 300 baud carriers, right?

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    13. Re:They would be more waterproof by tsa · · Score: 1

      Yep, so they will use flexible colour e-ink screens as soon as they are out. And then everry competitor will do exactly the same. Just like with the Macbook Pro keyboard, the iPhone itself and now the fucking nodge.

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    14. Re:They would be more waterproof by tsa · · Score: 1

      You are OLD.

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  3. Fantastic! by TiberiusKirk · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Until a bug is introduced in firmware and a factory reset is required.
    Or you get nailed by malware that takes over your phone, and there is literally no way to reset the fucking thing!

    1. Re: Fantastic! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

      The most visited post on my website is instructions for rebooting a crashed iPod.

      I can't imagine the iPhone is any better at not needing constant resets. Just today I had to force-reboot an iPad that had frozen on the home screen. I vaguely recall having to look up how to reboot someone's crashed iPhone X because they changed the method.

      The point being that Apple's hardware is nowhere near stable enough not to have a method to force a reboot. I guess "wait for the battery to die" is going to become standard practice in the near future. I guess we finally learned why Apple refuses to put all-day batteries in their devices.

    2. Re:Fantastic! by zlives · · Score: 1

      i am still realing from the 11.3 update the amount of DoneFudgedUp (DFU) device resets was a horrible and this after switching to iOS instead of droid because... "it just works"
      i guess the version of DFU reset will be to throw device against wall and repeat until destroyed.

    3. Re:Fantastic! by b0s0z0ku · · Score: 4, Interesting

      What about a microswitch next to the SIM slot which can be triggered by a straightened paper clip and PHYSICALLY shuts off power to the battery?

    4. Re:Fantastic! by TheFakeTimCook · · Score: 1

      i am still realing from the 11.3 update the amount of DoneFudgedUp (DFU) device resets was a horrible and this after switching to iOS instead of droid because... "it just works"
      i guess the version of DFU reset will be to throw device against wall and repeat until destroyed.

      Never had to do a DFU Reset on either of my 2 iPhones or iPad I've had over the years.

    5. Re: Fantastic! by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 3, Funny

      With a nuke. From orbit.

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    6. Re:Fantastic! by TheFakeTimCook · · Score: 2

      When my phone or PMP had problems, USUALLY, the screen wasn't working. Eventually, I learned that by using actual buttons to RESET the thing, If I was lucky, I could get the screen working again.
      Later on, when I was checking out some older electronics I kept that had stopped working, I found that...even when it wasn't documented, I could quite often do a hard RESET by playing with a combination of buttons while powering it on and it would start working perfectly!
      Try as I might, I can't see how this can be done when all your controls are *on the screen*! The only other possibility is to remove the battery for awhile and let the unit/phone completely discharge and HOPE that it fixes it because if the screen is defective, there is no 'combination' of buttons to try as a last-ditch effort to save it.
      But, maybe that's what they are striving for so you have to send it in and pay a lot of money to get it working again?

      Just because YOU can't think of a way, doesn't mean it isn't possible.

      As an embedded Dev., a few possible methods come immediately to mind:

      1. A "system monitor" ("Watchdog"), with a long-enough timeout to not false-trigger under heavy CPU load. If the main OS or an App goes off in the weeds for too long, (say, 10 secs.), the WatchDog would trigger a hardware Reset. This method requires no user intervention whatsoever, and is SOP in a lot of embedded designs. In fact, I would be VERY surprised if Apple's SoCs don't have this already.

      2. A Hall-Effect sensor, similar to the "sleep" sensor that puts iPads to sleep when a magnet is brought in proximity to a certain location on the iPhone. This could be incorporated in the Charger. Kind of too kludgy for Apple; but there it is.

      3. A small, fixed-code microcontroller, or a section of the main SoC, that would be responsible for interpreting a single, predetermined "gesture". This gesture would the. Trigger a hardware reset of the main SoC. This nicely fits in with Apple's design-language, in that it is triggered by a "swipe" of some kind. A hard coded confirmation dialog could be used to keep accidental triggering due to random swipes. Yes, this would only work if the screen and digitizer were reasonably intact; but let's face it, if the screen and digitizer are that scrogged, likely NO Reset-method would restore the unit to usability until that was fixed.

      So, there are some methods that came to mind with about 30 seconds of thought. Think that Apple engineers can't come up with a dozen or more methods to accomplish this after a couple of weeks' working on it?

    7. Re:Fantastic! by TheFakeTimCook · · Score: 1

      What about a microswitch next to the SIM slot which can be triggered by a straightened paper clip and PHYSICALLY shuts off power to the battery?

      That would require an intrusion into the case, kind of defeating the "no intrusions" design goal.

    8. Re:Fantastic! by b0s0z0ku · · Score: 1

      Doesn't the SIM slot already intrude into the case?

    9. Re: Fantastic! by Provocateur · · Score: 2

      Well, he even posts as the fake Tim Cook. This is a no-brainer.

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    10. Re:Fantastic! by TheFakeTimCook · · Score: 1

      Doesn't the SIM slot already intrude into the case?

      For now. I heard they were going to some sort of virtualized "SIM Card".

    11. Re:Fantastic! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      You're either a liar, or extremely lucky.

    12. Re:Fantastic! by bugs2squash · · Score: 1
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    13. Re: Fantastic! by Teckla · · Score: 2

      I have an iPhone and an iPad, and even I ignore every post by TheFakeTimCook. His tireless defense of everything Apple got really old a long time ago.

    14. Re:Fantastic! by xlsior · · Score: 1

      So, there are some methods that came to mind with about 30 seconds of thought. Think that Apple engineers can't come up with a dozen or more methods to accomplish this after a couple of weeks' working on it?

      Some phones assign functions to squeezing the bezel itself:
      https://www.theverge.com/2017/...

      Just because there isn't an external physical button doesn't mean that you can't hide a pressure-sensitive switch inside the phone.

    15. Re:Fantastic! by Miamicanes · · Score: 1

      This reminds me of the joy (not!) we had when USB replaced RS232.

      In "the old days", serial ports were pretty much idiot-proof, as long as you didn't have to screw with anything where dsr, dtr, cts, or rts actually mattered (besides maybe using a cable that connected one of them to ground). The universe of potential baudrates was small and finite (as a practical matter, nearly everything used 115200, 38400, 19200, 9600, 2400, 1200, or 300, with no parity, 8 bits, and 1 stop bit). After verifying that the cable was good, all you really had to do was iterate through the aforementioned 7 baudrates & there was a 98% chance one of them would work. Best of all, once you had the baudrate and bits/parity/stopbit settings right, the hardware literally worked the instant you connected the cable.

      Then came USB, and everything went to hell. Drivers broke catastrophically every time Microsoft did a major Windows release. Flaky cables & poorly-designed (or excessively value-engineered) ports had endless, seemingly-random disconnects and dysfunction. And the inevitable lag between connecting a USB device & having it actually be operational made matters even worse. We traded a cheap, simple communications bus that was easy to configure and generally worked well for one that used cheaper hardware, augmented by extremely complicated software drivers that were barely understood by their own developers (most of whom depended upon proprietary vendor-supplied toolchains working literal black magic behind a curtain).

    16. Re:Fantastic! by TheFakeTimCook · · Score: 1

      So, there are some methods that came to mind with about 30 seconds of thought. Think that Apple engineers can't come up with a dozen or more methods to accomplish this after a couple of weeks' working on it?

      Some phones assign functions to squeezing the bezel itself:

      https://www.theverge.com/2017/...

      Good point!

      I guess I should have spent a whole minute thinking about this, then, LOL!
      Just because there isn't an external physical button doesn't mean that you can't hide a pressure-sensitive switch inside the phone.

    17. Re:Fantastic! by TheFakeTimCook · · Score: 1

      This reminds me of the joy (not!) we had when USB replaced RS232.

      In "the old days", serial ports were pretty much idiot-proof, as long as you didn't have to screw with anything where dsr, dtr, cts, or rts actually mattered (besides maybe using a cable that connected one of them to ground). The universe of potential baudrates was small and finite (as a practical matter, nearly everything used 115200, 38400, 19200, 9600, 2400, 1200, or 300, with no parity, 8 bits, and 1 stop bit). After verifying that the cable was good, all you really had to do was iterate through the aforementioned 7 baudrates & there was a 98% chance one of them would work. Best of all, once you had the baudrate and bits/parity/stopbit settings right, the hardware literally worked the instant you connected the cable.

      Then came USB, and everything went to hell. Drivers broke catastrophically every time Microsoft did a major Windows release. Flaky cables & poorly-designed (or excessively value-engineered) ports had endless, seemingly-random disconnects and dysfunction. And the inevitable lag between connecting a USB device & having it actually be operational made matters even worse. We traded a cheap, simple communications bus that was easy to configure and generally worked well for one that used cheaper hardware, augmented by extremely complicated software drivers that were barely understood by their own developers (most of whom depended upon proprietary vendor-supplied toolchains working literal black magic behind a curtain).

      You remember RS232 a LOT more fondly than MOST people.

      Case in Point: How many times have you seen an USB Breakout Box?

      With RS232, there is an entire UNIVERSE of cabling "fun" before you even get to software issues. With USB, it comes down to "Do you have the right Driver?" You're just forgetting. And if you were a regular person, trying to hook up some random RS-232 peripheral, FORGET IT! Even with a simple 3 wire RS-232 interface, using XON/XOFF handshaking (or no handshaking at all) there was STILL the ambiguity regarding which particular pin (2 or 3) was being used for TXD and which for RXD. Yeah, you forget, alright...

      Yes, simple serial comm. is FAR easier to implement than USB, with its book-long preamble and necessity for a Driver to get even the simplest setup going; which is why embedded Devs. Still use it for quickie Diagnostic Ports during Development; but that is in a system where the Developer already KNOWS everything about the system. Regular users typically don't have that level of insight; so for them, USB is MUCH easier (at least once they figure out which way to plug the connector in!)

      But Just because Windows couldn't get their shit together on USB for years and years, doesn't mean the USB Standard, per se, was flawed. On Macs, for example, USB almost always "Just Worked", with the rarest of exceptions. You're right that USB on Windows was always (even up through XP, at least) a hell-hole, starting with "Make sure you Install the Driver BEFORE connecting..." (another problem Macs never had with USB). But again, that isn't the fault of USB, just Microsoft's inability to write software of any kind.

    18. Re:Fantastic! by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      They do already have a watchdog and use it, but that doesn't help if the kernel is still ticking over but the UI has frozen.

      Gestures are janky, a magnet would allow anyone to reset your iPhone with a magnet and would break magnetic phone holders (which are awesome by the way).

      Some phones have a squeeze sensor that works quite well now, maybe that could be used. But really you need a physical button that not only resets the phone but can put it into recovery mode. Since there is no USB^W lighting port any more it will have to have a wifi stack with TCP/IP, DHCP and some kind of bootloader, which means a brand new and much larger attack surface.

      Meanwhile everyone else just fits a waterproof USB-C connector and waterproof headphone socket.

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    19. Re: Fantastic! by JaredOfEuropa · · Score: 1

      He's also right. I agree that there's still a need to reboot iPhones every now and then, but my experience is that these devices hold up very well under normal use. In the past couple of years I have rebooted our iPhones and iPad several times, but in almost all cases this was a mandatory (automatic) reboot following an OS update. I have had to reboot due to a crash or some other problem maybe 2 or 3 times in years. These things are as stable as premium Android devices (of which I have a few as well), maybe more stable.

      Maybe the case is different undear heavy use, such as in a kiosk or when running a crapload of heavy apps.

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    20. Re:Fantastic! by stealth_finger · · Score: 1

      What about a microswitch next to the SIM slot which can be triggered by a straightened paper clip and PHYSICALLY shuts off power to the battery?

      That would require an intrusion into the case, kind of defeating the "no intrusions" design goal.

      Plus they'll take the sim slot out next. It'll be embedded and you'll have to get it paired at a store. Will probably not be reversible or able to change number without a lot of time and a couple trips to the bank.

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    21. Re:Fantastic! by TheFakeTimCook · · Score: 1

      They do already have a watchdog and use it, but that doesn't help if the kernel is still ticking over but the UI has frozen.

      Gestures are janky, a magnet would allow anyone to reset your iPhone with a magnet and would break magnetic phone holders (which are awesome by the way).

      Some phones have a squeeze sensor that works quite well now, maybe that could be used. But really you need a physical button that not only resets the phone but can put it into recovery mode. Since there is no USB^W lighting port any more it will have to have a wifi stack with TCP/IP, DHCP and some kind of bootloader, which means a brand new and much larger attack surface.

      Meanwhile everyone else just fits a waterproof USB-C connector and waterproof headphone socket.

      I am not surprised that Apple SoCs have a WatchDog subsystem. In fact, I would be surprised if they didn't. However, all that has to change to prevent the "lights are on, but nobody's home" (UI Frozen) is to change the way the WatchDog is "Petted", to make sure ALL of the software subsystems and Apps are "ticking over". Takes some planning; but it isn't impossible.

      For example, In my early days as an embedded Dev., when dinosaurs roamed the earth, and all computers ran on kerosene, I created a system based on a small 6502-based SBC that controlled the soft-start and soft-stop of a 30 HP 480VAC "spindle" motor, plus the pneumatic "chuck" and brake, on a machine that did dynamic balancing of 4-ton (IIRC) 4 ft. diameter Flywheels for Caterpillar Earth Movers. At 1800 RPM, you simply cant afford to make a mistake about what the ACTUAL current machine-state is when a WatchDog Reset has occurred, lest you turn that flywheel into a gigantic, death-dealing frisbee!!! So yeah, you can make your WatchDog subsystem as simple, or as sophisticated, as needed. And if Apple designs a system that depends essentially exclusively on their WatchDog system being "unbreakably robust", I am confident they can step-up to that challenge without breaking a sweat.

      Also, it isn't that hard to waterproof a short-travel momentary switch, like you find on the typical phone. Just have the "actuator" push on a flexible membrane that then pushes on a physical momentary switch on the other side of the membrane. Select your membrane material and design the actuator properly, and they will last past the service life of the phone. You can also use a Hall-Effect sensor, so there is no actual "flexing" membrane between actuator and "switch". That makes the switch assembly much more robust over time, at the expense of slightly higher per-unit cost.

      Apple already has a well-developed and field-tested secure software update protocol for iOS devices that works over WiFi; so that part is a no-brainer. All you need is a permanent bootloader with a TIMEOUT, and enough Flash set-aside to hold both the old and new versions of Firmware; so that a failed Update process can be Restarted without resulting in a Bricked Device. But again, those are well-understood engineering challenges in the embedded world.

      You're right, some other manufacturers CLAIM up to IP68 water-resistance depending on connectors with simple built-in O-Rings and such; but that only gets you so far when it comes to real-world protection (which really isn't THAT much when you factor-in transient pressure spikes caused by movement of the device while underwater). IMHO, Apple is going for a nice TV Ad where someone takes their iPhone scuba diving without a case, and can provide a real-world dust and water-resistance protection down to say, 30 m, with pressure spikes to 50 m, and essentially practically infinite dust-intrusion resistance (assuming you don't aim a beadblasting nozzle at the device). That can really only be done in a consumer-level device by eliminating all intrusions through the outer-enclosure. Yes, there are dive-watches etc. that have impressive water-resistance; but a fair amount of the cost and complexity of those things is devoted to making them that water-resistant. A

    22. Re: Fantastic! by Carewolf · · Score: 3, Funny

      With a nuke. From orbit.

      It is the only way to be sure.

    23. Re:Fantastic! by TheFakeTimCook · · Score: 1

      What about a microswitch next to the SIM slot which can be triggered by a straightened paper clip and PHYSICALLY shuts off power to the battery?

      That would require an intrusion into the case, kind of defeating the "no intrusions" design goal.

      Plus they'll take the sim slot out next. It'll be embedded and you'll have to get it paired at a store. Will probably not be reversible or able to change number without a lot of time and a couple trips to the bank.

      Doubt it; since Apple already sells unlocked versions of their phones, and has for some time.

    24. Re:Fantastic! by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      You can do the squeeze sensor trick with just a switch. Make part of the case flexible enough to press a button hidden beneath it.

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    25. Re:Fantastic! by RoccamOccam · · Score: 2

      This reminds me of the joy (not!) we had when USB replaced RS232.

      ...

      You remember RS232 a LOT more fondly than MOST people.

      ...

      Yeah, I was having a hard time deciding whether he was being sarcastic or not.

    26. Re:Fantastic! by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      With RS232, there is an entire UNIVERSE of cabling "fun" before you even get to software issues.

      Problems which 99% of users never encountered. Only nerds ever had to deal with those problems, and what they got in return was a simple interface which often didn't require any drivers (since the operation was handled by the BIOS) and which could be cheaply implemented on any halfway decent microcontroller.

      With USB, it comes down to "Do you have the right Driver?"

      For the average user, so does serial — except they usually didn't need a driver for a serial peripheral. For the hobbyist, USB is a total PITA. It's not cheap or easy to implement, and with most microcontrollers you need an external crystal.

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    27. Re:Fantastic! by TheFakeTimCook · · Score: 1

      How is that relevant? Instead of getting your sim and popping it in easy peasy you'd have to go down to the store and probably pay $200.

      Why?

    28. Re:Fantastic! by TheFakeTimCook · · Score: 1

      He must have forgotten /s -- or else is in Advanced Selective Alzheimer's. Though ... I may still have the old homemade null-modem cable I built to connect my Radio Shack Model 100 to a PC. Used it to dump text files back and forth so I could work on things while on the 2-hour commute bus ride in the Bay Area (yes, they were a thing even in the 1980s). And the M100 could easily handle 19200 while the PCs of the time were barely capable of doing 9600 without errors.

      I still have my Model 102. Spectacular device for the time. Haven't turned it on in decades; but I can't bring myself to pitch it... Spent a LOT of damn money on Compu$erve CB on that thing, LOL!

    29. Re:Fantastic! by TheFakeTimCook · · Score: 1

      With RS232, there is an entire UNIVERSE of cabling "fun" before you even get to software issues.

      Problems which 99% of users never encountered. Only nerds ever had to deal with those problems, and what they got in return was a simple interface which often didn't require any drivers (since the operation was handled by the BIOS) and which could be cheaply implemented on any halfway decent microcontroller.

      With USB, it comes down to "Do you have the right Driver?"

      For the average user, so does serial — except they usually didn't need a driver for a serial peripheral. For the hobbyist, USB is a total PITA. It's not cheap or easy to implement, and with most microcontrollers you need an external crystal.

      You're right that most users never had to deal with the problems of RS-232. That's because they just called-up their friendly neighborhood GEEK to figure it out FOR them!!!

      Yes, I will heartily agree that USB is a PITA for the average hobbyist. But that's never what the target audience was, IMHO. But aren't there FTDI chips and drivers that take care of the hardware and driver nonsense for HID devices at least? I would imagine that's what 99% of hobbyists that want to interface with some USB device do these days.

    30. Re:Fantastic! by Attila+Dimedici · · Score: 1

      Well, then you just go out and buy a new one!


      Or perhaps, Apple will have a service whereby you can take it to them and pay them to make it work again.

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    31. Re:Fantastic! by cthulhu11 · · Score: 1

      ... or you want to use it in your car.

    32. Re:Fantastic! by zlives · · Score: 1

      neither had I until that update, we have a few hundred iOS devices deployed, affected about 10% for what ever reasons. 90% were lucky just like you.

    33. Re:Fantastic! by stealth_finger · · Score: 1

      Because idiots will pay anything for their iThing

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  4. Re: HaHa... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Wireless, Portless and Buttonless or in a word ... very Useless

  5. That's nothing by Patent+Lover · · Score: 4, Funny

    They're also going to be screenless. It's going to be a huge breakthrough.

    1. Re:That's nothing by H3lldr0p · · Score: 2

      Not only that but it's been discovered that there's a slight current in normal, everyday phone lines. Utilizing this, Apple engineers have come up with a phone you never have to charge again! In fact, it's completely immobile allowing you to never lose. It will be packed with a handy, easy to use interface. It doesn't even have one. All it has is a "receiving unit" that's directly connected to the immobile part which is a single purpose unit. All it does is listen to your voice and recreates the voice of the person you are talking with. The only interface to speak of is a set of standard numbers from zero to nine. You enter someone's phone number and it will take care of everything else!

    2. Re:That's nothing by user32.ExitWindowsEx · · Score: 2

      And since it's completely immobile you have to buy one for each location you want to use it in!
      More money for Apple!

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    3. Re:That's nothing by Brett+Buck · · Score: 1

      Maybe just a speaker and a microphone?

  6. What about charging away from home/office? by mfearby · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It might be good to have wireless charging ability at home but what about when you're "on the go" and just need to connect to a cable somewhere to charge your phone, and there's no special Apple wireless charger?

    Sorry, Apple, but my Samsung Galaxy S8 (which I bought to replace an iPhone last year) is far superior to your feature-stripped strait jackets.

    1. Re:What about charging away from home/office? by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 1

      It might be good to have wireless charging ability at home but what about when you're "on the go" and just need to connect to a cable somewhere to charge your phone, and there's no special Apple wireless charger?

      Important places will install wireless charging stations for important people.

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    2. Re:What about charging away from home/office? by Gonoff · · Score: 1

      Important places will install wireless charging stations for important people.

      The purpose of having an iPhone is to indicate you are important!

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  7. wireless? by arth1 · · Score: 1

    Is it really news that mobile phones will be wireless?
    I mean, there were probably wired mobile phones in the trenches during WWII, Korean war and Viet Nam war, but since the 90s at least, I think most mobile phones have been wireless.

    What I miss the most are tactile buttons, allowing me to call without looking at the phone. And, of course, the times when people actually picked up the phone when there was a call, because calls were expensive and telemarketers and Indian scammers non-existent.

    1. Re:wireless? by PopeRatzo · · Score: 2

      I mean, there were probably wired mobile phones in the trenches during WWII, Korean war and Viet Nam war, but since the 90s at least, I think most mobile phones have been wireless.

      I don't know about you but I still have to give my mobile phone a couple of good cranks before making a call. I suppose I should upgrade.

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    2. Re:wireless? by BronsCon · · Score: 1

      You sure that's your phone?

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  8. Next step.. by Z80a · · Score: 1

    Potting the whole thing, so it is literally impossible to open or repair it, as the phone is a solid block of resin.

    1. Re:Next step.. by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 1

      No, the resin will be beneath a layer of glass and metal. To make it seem like it's not just a bunch of components glued together. Apple is fairly good at the appearance-design aspect of their product.

  9. the singularity by AlexanKulbashian · · Score: 1

    If they remove the screen as well they will have a fairly rugged device

  10. Re:Wasteful by arth1 · · Score: 5, Funny

    The only Apple product I own is the White Album.

  11. Go ALL the way, Apple by Tablizer · · Score: 1

    How about also rid the screen: just shove your iSuppository up your rump, and learn to "read" vibrations.

    A simple shiny little sphere: the ultimate in Apple Design.

  12. Re: HaHa... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Wireless, Portless and Buttonless or in a word ... very Useless

    Watching tens of millions of people line up to buy this hardware, or in a word from the CFO....very Priceless.

  13. Good news by viperidaenz · · Score: 1

    All the better to sell you proprietary charging pads and AirPods!

  14. Wireless, Portless, Buttonless... by Trogre · · Score: 1

    You forgot "Userless".

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    1. Re:Wireless, Portless, Buttonless... by freeze128 · · Score: 1

      You better also add "pointless".

  15. More money by Venona2018 · · Score: 2

    I will love spending the extra money for a wireless charger at home, at work and in the car. Assuming I can find a place to put the wireless charger in the car.

    1. Re:More money by BronsCon · · Score: 2

      To be fair, you can get Qi chargers for less than the typical Lightning cable, so this might be a net win for iPhone users.

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    2. Re:More money by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 2

      You'll need to buy a new car, with the wireless charging dashboard. Which will be obsolete in two years when Apple comes out with a new wireless charging protocol and the screen on your gadget reads 'unsupported device'.

    3. Re:More money by b0s0z0ku · · Score: 1

      Also, wireless chargers are BIG -- they're a flat plate a few inches in diameter. One more thing to carry when traveling by public transport (and planes/trains likely won't have them embedded in tables for the next few years, whereas they DO currently have 120V or 14V outlets).

    4. Re:More money by green1 · · Score: 1

      It's cute that you think Apple would allow their devices to be compatible with someone else's hardware....

      Most likely, they will have a proprietary charging pad that authenticates with the phone before being allowed to be used. That pad will connect by lightning cable (or maybe even a whole new connector that doesn't exist yet just so you have to re-buy all your cables) to it's power source so as to also eliminate the possibility of non-apple cords being used.

    5. Re:More money by BronsCon · · Score: 1

      Uh... The iPhone 8 and iPhone X both use Qi, actually. My wife uses my Samsung Qi charger with her iPhone all the time. Try again, maybe?

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    6. Re:More money by Actually,+I+do+RTFA · · Score: 1

      While true, it's much easier to plug in a lightning cable than use a Qi charger. And to keep it plugged in. Especially as the device slips around in a car/on a plane/etc.

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    7. Re:More money by BronsCon · · Score: 1

      Funny, I set my phone on the charger on my night stand at night and take it off in the morning; the battery lasts me a full day (or two, it's rarely below 50% by the end of the night) and I don't have to worry about charging it in a car or on a plane. Of course, it's helpful during a long drive if I do put my phone in the dash mount I installed that has a Qi charger built in and holds the phone in place quite nicely. If I recall correctly, I bought it in early 2014 along with my LG G3, so this isn't a new development.

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    8. Re:More money by Actually,+I+do+RTFA · · Score: 1

      I find I have to be really nudgy to get it in the right spot to charge. Which means I cannot use it, then slam it down and roll over to sleep. With a cord, I can.

      Obviously, battery life is unrelated to charging tech. But the popularity of "charge-on-the-go" devices suggest a lot of people are unhappy with their battery life.

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    9. Re:More money by BronsCon · · Score: 1

      I find I have to be really nudgy to get it in the right spot to charge.

      I've found that with shitty chargers, as well. Spend the extra dollar on a good one and that problem disappears.

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    10. Re:More money by Teckla · · Score: 1

      Try the Anker wireless charger that sits upright. I use mine daily, and placing the phone correctly is virtually effortless, even when not looking.

    11. Re:More money by tgeek · · Score: 1

      For Apple, something costing "more money" isn't a problem, it's a FEATURE!!!!

    12. Re:More money by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      To be fair, you can get Qi chargers for less than the typical Lightning cable, so this might be a net win for iPhone users.

      Do you really think Apple will allow that to happen? They will have to come up with some reason for you to buy the $150 Apple Wireless Charger.

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    13. Re:More money by ausekilis · · Score: 1

      Why should the phone be more expensive? They couldn't keep it at the same price point and not make such a high percentage of profit?

      My first thought is that most teardowns put the cost of materials somewhere around 1/3 to 1/2 the cost of the phone. Lets assume 1/6 of the cost is R&D - it really doesn't take that much development to use the same shape, same processor, up the RAM, remove and replace some hardware. That's still half profit on *every* phone. Greedy bastards.

    14. Re:More money by omnichad · · Score: 1

      Without their proprietary extensions - so it will charge very slowly if at all.

    15. Re:More money by BronsCon · · Score: 1

      What proprietary extensions? It works just fine.

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    16. Re:More money by BronsCon · · Score: 1

      Do you really not realize that the current generation of iPhone already use Qi flawlessly? Yes, I do really think Apple would allow that to happen, because they already did. Now, go look through my post history and realize I'm certainly no Apple apologist or fanboi, I call them out on a lot of bullshit, but one must give credit where it is due lest they lose any and all credibility as many who are replying to my comment above seem to be trying to do.

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    17. Re:More money by omnichad · · Score: 1

      Well, OK. Their current wireless charging maxes out at 7.5W, while the wired charging supports up to 29W. And any details of what's in Apple's AirPower standard are still not released, so I don't know if it includes anything over 7.5W. It takes over 3 times as long to charge this way - so I doubt they're leaving it as-is.

    18. Re:More money by BronsCon · · Score: 1

      Apple's 29 watt charger will charge the phone fully in 2 hours, while heating the battery and reducing its overall lifespan. 7.5 watts will charge it fully in about 8 hours, with much less heat; that's more than adequate for overnight charging and the lower temperatures mean a longer lifespan for the battery.

      The current version of the Qi Low Power standard supports up to 15 watts. Apple could implement that with no problems. 15 Watts is plenty to charge my current S9+, which has a larger battery, overnight; it also keeps it charged while using maps, playing music, and acting as an informational display (map in a window in the corner) attached to an OBD-II reader in my truck on long trips. Now, the S9+ has a 3,000mAh battery, compared to the iPhone 8+'s 2,675mAh, so I'm confident it would do the same for the iPhone; especially as I keep hearing the claim that the iPhone sips power compared to an Android device. Mind you, most of that confidence comes from the fact that my wife charges her iPhone 8+ on my Qi charger all the time, so I'm speaking from real world experience.

      For the record, the S9+ supports 12v 2.6A charging (Qualcomm Quick Charge 3.0, 31.2 watts), yet Qi charging is still more than adequate. The standard actually goes up to 22v, though the included charger caps out at 12v; I haven't tried plugging in to one that hits 22v yet, but my understanding is that it would charge at 57.2 watts. The battery, of course, would get a lot hotter during that charge cycle, further reducing its life, which is why I don't use Quick Charge in the first place.

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    19. Re:More money by Pinky's+Brain · · Score: 1

      They are designed to be alignment immune, one designed especially for the iphone would be much smaller. The standards are just a giant pile of compromises too. Assuming Apple can get a patent license, a custom wireless charger would probably significantly more efficient than the existing standards too.

    20. Re:More money by Actually,+I+do+RTFA · · Score: 1

      The charger was a gift (I was still using a charging cable.) I'm disappointed to hear it was a cheap one.

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    21. Re: More money by BronsCon · · Score: 1

      Did Apple introduce the headphone jack in the 12th generation of the iPhone, 6 generations after everyone else had one? Because that's what they did with Qi charging.

      Historically, we can expect it to last 12 generations. After all, it's not a data port; if it were, we could expect it to last 5-7 generations at best.

      P.S. I love it when people approach me as though I'm an Apple hater, because I can point them to my post history to see where I've supported Apple when they've actually done the right thing (or post something like the 2nd paragraph above to make the same point). I also quite enjoy when someone approaches me as though I'm an Apple fanboi, because I can point them to my post history to see where I've torn Apple down over their bullshit (or post something like the 2nd paragraph above to make the same point). In truth, I'm a realist; I use the products of theirs that work for me, and I voice the issues I have with the products of theirs which do not (in the hope that my voice will be loud enough, when added to many others, for Apple to hear), because they're the only vendor right now who could potentially create an end-to-end platform I might actually want to use. Microsoft was another contender until they released Windows 10 and killed their mobile platform; Samsung could be in the running if they had a desktop OS.

      Going single-vendor generally simplifies business purchasing; for a lot of us, though, Apple needs to fix quite a few things before we can justify pulling that trigger. The iPhone's wireless charging, really and truly, is not one of those things.

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    22. Re: More money by BronsCon · · Score: 1

      It'll be at least 12 generations (how long it took them to adopt a wireless charging standard in the first place) before they do that. If you want to be truly pessimistic, but still within the realm or reality, maybe 5-7 generations like the 30 pin connector.

      I'm all for giving Apple shit where it's due (and there is a lot of it due) but really?

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  16. Wireless by fluffernutter · · Score: 1

    In other news, Apple makes 100% more profit on wireless accessories. And the sheep just keep on buying it.

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  17. Re:And thusly by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 1

    The fact of 'caught using' being a thing shows the real problem. Who cares what we use? Why it it so important to visibly be using a particular companies gadget?

  18. Fixed it.. by b0s0z0ku · · Score: 1

    The iPhones of the future will be crippled -- fixed that for y'all.

    1. Re:Fixed it.. by Carewolf · · Score: 1

      iPhones are crippled

      Fixed that for you.

  19. Re:Wasteful by Yaztromo · · Score: 3, Funny

    The only Apple product I own is the White Album.

    Whoa -- talk about being way behind the times there grandpa!

    You should totally check out Abbey Road. Best. B Side. Ever.

    Yaz

  20. There’s a term for this by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 1

    Form over function.

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    1. Re:There’s a term for this by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 1

      No, the word you're looking for is:

      COURAGE.

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  21. Re:voicemail export by b0s0z0ku · · Score: 1

    Apple will allow you to add iClown Export for only $5 per month :)

  22. Re:Wasteful by TheFakeTimCook · · Score: 1

    The only Apple product I own is the White Album.

    Careful! You'll trigger Yoko to file another decades-long frivolous lawsuit!

  23. Re:And thusly by TheFakeTimCook · · Score: 1

    We can begin to see the death of a brand and company.

    In honesty, I'd love to see Apple fall back into obscurity. Their products suck and are over priced.

    Then don't buy them. Simple as that.

  24. Re:And thusly by TheFakeTimCook · · Score: 1

    The fact of 'caught using' being a thing shows the real problem. Who cares what we use? Why it it so important to visibly be using a particular companies gadget?

    Awww! Sounds like somebody's jealous...

  25. cases & wireless charging by oneiros27 · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Apple's been telling people that to protect their smaller devices, they basically need to put *something* around it. (remember the sock? or that band to deal with antenna issues?)

    But wireless charging uses induction, and the further apart the induction pads are, the worse the charging performance (which might be related to their overheating problems, as they need to use move power). So if Apple's really serious about this, they need to come up with a phone that doesn't need a case ... which might piss off other companies in the accessory ecosystem.

    I'd love to use wireless charging again ... but I'm not giving up a headphone port for it. I went from a Palm Pre (with the replaced back for wireless charging) and Pre3 to an iphone SE ... because it had a headphone jack. But even as a 30+ year apple user, I doubt I'll be getting another iphone, as the OS just pisses me off too much.

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    1. Re:cases & wireless charging by Teckla · · Score: 1

      For what it's worth, my iPhone with a thick OtterBox Defender case charges as fast as wired when I use my Anker wireless charger. I do REALLY miss the headphone jack, though. :(

  26. Re:And thusly by vlad30 · · Score: 1

    The entire tech industry will surge ahead into true innovation when apple is finally gone.

    Actually they will have no one to copy from Apple may not have been first with many products but the way they are copied proves they get the user, better than others, and get the basics right. Also Apple tends not to release a product in a rush look up Knowledge Navigator to see how long the iphone idea has been in the works. Racking up feature count doesn't mean much if its difficult to use. And for most users the quality of phone cameras etc. is good enough

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  27. Just like Apple Watch by Lando17 · · Score: 1

    Honestly, I'm surprised they haven't removed the lightning port yet. At this point its just another back door.

  28. Well streamed Sir by seoras · · Score: 1

    Steam punks will be retro-fitting brass head phone jacks to iPhones next.

  29. Don't drop this one... by kimgkimg · · Score: 1

    It's molded from a single piece of glass. Front, back, sides.. ALL GLASS!

  30. An issue I see by ericlondaits · · Score: 1

    Music apps are relatively popular in iOS... even Apple has one (Garage Band) and there are even MIDI interfaces that allow connecting instruments to an iPhone. ... But you can't really use Bluetooth for music (and I say that as the happy owner of a couple of Apple Airpods) because it has too much latency (noticeable / annoying delay between touching something on screen and hearing the sound).

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  31. But the GUI by AHuxley · · Score: 1

    will have to be hand coded around the bigger and bigger notch. Enjoy notch drift that takes over more and more of your app.

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  32. What about forgetting your charger? by Tomahawk · · Score: 4, Insightful

    How many times have you gone on holiday, opened your case, and found you didn't pack your charger? If you were lucky, you packed a spare cable, so all you needed was something with a USB connection and you could charge your phone. At worst, a trip to a shop that sold cables.

    Remove cable charging, and now you're needed to buy a full wireless charger. Or visit Starbucks every morning for 2 hours while you slowly sip away at a long-gone-cold coffee.

    And then what about those people who still use wired headphones using the adapter that comes in the box... oh yeah, sorry, I forgot that you sell expensive wireless headphones that you want to force people to have to buy also. Silly me.

    Copying data to your PC? Or another phone? Getting a charge boost from another phone (like you can [seemingly] on USB-C devices)? In-car adapters? Peripherals?

    My last few phones all had wireless charging. I rarely used it. Lately I was even thinking about why this tech is added to phones as it just increases the cost and provides, at least to me, no benefit. I'm not sure I'd like being forced to have to only use wireless charging. Plus you know that they'll change the wireless charging technology in 2 iterations time, making those 2 spare charges you bought when on holidays useless.

    At least you can buy another one on your next trip away...

    1. Re:What about forgetting your charger? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I use wireless charging all the time, I'll only use wired (fast) charging if I absolutely need battery power in a hurry before running out the door.

      It is great for being able to drop the phone on the puck without worry of my kids yanking the cable out, I can blindly grab it off the nightstand without having to disconnect it and also drop it back on without rolling over, just make sure I hear the charging tones. Not worrying about wearing out or damaging the port or fumbling with getting the cable oriented correctly is very nice.

  33. It's so ... black! by cascadingstylesheet · · Score: 1

    "It's so... black!" said Ford Prefect. "You can hardly make out its shape... light just seems to fall into it!"

  34. Speechless by Laxator2 · · Score: 1, Troll

    I am left speechless and powerless by their decisions to go portless, buttonless.

    - They will surely go speakerless and mic-less (this will make the phones analog hole-less)
    - Battery-less (no more battery fires, hurrah !)
    - Use-less
    - Price-less (how much does it cost? How much have you got? Or as they prefer in England, how much can you afford to pay ?)
    - Screen-less was already mentioned.
    - Case-less (the most lightweight phone, lighter than air)

    This reminds me of a story about trains:
    "When a train derails it is usually the last carriage that causes the derailment. Therefore, to address this problem we will remove the last carriage from all trains."
    Problem solved.

  35. Re:Wasteful by omnichad · · Score: 1

    Further, if they want to be hip - they never let the apple logo on the back get covered up. Even case makers leave it exposed. Why not make the apple and stem the electrodes of a cradle charging system? Still a sealed unit. But we've moved beyond two pin charging, I guess.

  36. Eliminating the hole, not the port by frdmfghtr · · Score: 1

    Wow, lots of snark and sarcasm in the posts and responses...but letâ(TM)s think about who whoâ(TM)s could work.

    What about changing the port from a male/female configuration (insert plug into receptacle) to the smart port where the connection is held magnetically? Intrusion points in the case are eliminated yet there is a means of a physical connection to the outside.

    As has been mentioned elsewhere, change out the home and volume buttons from a operator that goes through the case to some sort of membrane button or Hall effect button with no opening in the case (or at most a sealed seam), and those intrusion points are gone.

    Audio? That can go through Bluetooth as it is now, or the smart port for wired connections.

    SIM card? ESim, but Iâ(TM)m not wild about it due to the lack of ability to swap SIM cards at-will. Wasnâ(TM)t the whole point of the SIM card the ability to swap cards and phones as desired?

    Speaker and microphone, no problem, sealed membranes to transmit the sound waves, probably no change from the present design (except maybe for better sealing methods and materials).

    There was a lot of bitching and decrying the loss of the 30 pin connector to Lightning, and loss of the audio jack...but the world kept turning, iPhones kept selling. I bet the same will happen if/when Apple does achieve a hole-less case design.

    And I for for one look forward to that.

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  37. Calm down by elohssa · · Score: 1

    I don't get all the apple hate on this. Going port-less seems _obvious_ to me. I'm sure the major flagship android phones will do this as well.

    The primary arguments against this idea seem to be:

    1) It will be inconvenient to charge away from home.
    2) It will be impossible to reset in the case of an error.
    3) It will be impossible to use existing wired headphones.
    4) It will be difficult to copy data off the phone.

    However, IMO...

    1) Qi charging is becoming ubiquitous; Cars, restraunts, hotels, will have wireless chargers. Battery life is getting better, my iPhone X can easily go 2 days between charges if I use the battery saver mode from the start, probably 3 if I turned it off while sleeping. Wireless chargers are cheep, $20 on amazon, plugs in anywhere you have USB.

    2) I haven't had to hold buttons to reset my iPhone in over 3 years. Still, it's very likely they'll come up with a way to do this. If not, it'll be valid criticism, until then, its FUD.

    3) You already need an adapter to use wired headphones. Now the adapter will have to be bluetooth enabled. It's really not much of a loss. 1st gen AirPods work great and are selling well, so I would expect that sort of wirelessness to be the future anyway.

    4) Between iCloud and airdrop, this is a solved problem.

    Do I think apple is above criticism? No, the current Mac line is in shambles.

    Would such a device be of less use to some people? Sure, and they may be able to use androids for a while, but such folks will have to adapt eventually.

    Could apple screw this up? Sure, especially in the 1st generation. Bendgate, you're holding it wrong, plenty of examples here. But they usually learn from their mistakes.

    Am I overlooking something?

  38. Stupid by omfglearntoplay · · Score: 1

    So if I'm low on battery, I still have to have a clunky device wired to the wall that I sit my phone on. I STILL SEE THE MOTHERFUCKING WIRE!

    And now all cars have to have some Apple branded wireless charging SPOT?!?! Guess what, I have NO additional room in my car for something like that. What if I want to charge my phone and my wife's?

  39. Re: HaHa... by Mr+D+from+63 · · Score: 1

    I think this strategy is pointless.

  40. Re: HaHa... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    This is why I hate Apple. They do stupid stuff to appeal to up-to-the-minute in-style crowd and then all their competitors thinks that they have to follow suit.

  41. Wireless, portless, buttonless.... by Locke2005 · · Score: 2

    ...and pointless!

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  42. Buttonless? by Locke2005 · · Score: 1

    Don't they need at least 1 hardware button to turn the damn thing on? Or are they going to keep the touchscreen active 24/7 even when it's powered off?

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  43. I just got the latest iPhone by Harvey+Manfrenjenson · · Score: 3, Funny

    "It's so advanced... you don't even need it." -Stephen Wright

  44. Re: HaHa... by tsa · · Score: 1

    It's not Apple's fault that everybody copies them.

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  45. Good for security. by d.w.mitchell.55 · · Score: 1

    AFAIK The present break in methods employed by LEO all use the data port. At least that would make them chase down the JTAGs or something. You know old fashion police work.