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With Financial Aid Declining, Many College Students Don't Have Enough Money To Eat, Studies Show, Even Though About 40 Percent Are Also Working (npr.org)
As students enter college this fall, many will hunger for more than knowledge. Up to half of college students in recent published studies say they either are not getting enough to eat or are worried about it. From a report: This food insecurity is most prevalent at community colleges, but it's common at public and private four-year schools as well. Student activists and advocates in the education community have drawn attention to the problem in recent years, and the food pantries that have sprung up at hundreds of schools are perhaps the most visible sign. Some schools nationally also have instituted the Swipe Out Hunger program, which allows students to donate their unused meal plan vouchers, or "swipes," to other students to use at campus dining halls or food pantries.
That's a start, say analysts studying the problem of campus hunger, but more systemwide solutions are needed. "If I'm sending my kid to college, I want more than a food pantry," says Sara Goldrick-Rab, a professor of higher education policy and sociology at Temple University in Philadelphia, and founder of the Hope Center for College, Community and Justice. [...] According to a survey of UC Berkeley students, 38 percent of undergraduates and 23 percent of graduate students deal with food insecurity at some point during the academic year, Ruben Canedo, a university employee who chairs the campus's basic needs committee, says.
That's a start, say analysts studying the problem of campus hunger, but more systemwide solutions are needed. "If I'm sending my kid to college, I want more than a food pantry," says Sara Goldrick-Rab, a professor of higher education policy and sociology at Temple University in Philadelphia, and founder of the Hope Center for College, Community and Justice. [...] According to a survey of UC Berkeley students, 38 percent of undergraduates and 23 percent of graduate students deal with food insecurity at some point during the academic year, Ruben Canedo, a university employee who chairs the campus's basic needs committee, says.
For people to wake the fuck up and realize that short-term profit-driven ideology is not going to work in the long term while sacrificing investment in and opportunities for young people. Future societies will hold the American system in almost all things as a cautionary tail rather than as the triumph it could have been.
When I was in school. The right wing in America said it would be fine and the kids would just take responsibility and work their way through college like they did (ignoring that they all had higher wages adjusted for inflation and 1/5th the tuition). What drives me nuts is we all knew this was coming and just said fuck it. And all we got for it was some paltry tax cuts that expire.
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How many college kids lived off of ramen noodles -- especially in tech -- and went on to do amazing things?
How are you going to compete on the world stage if your people are poorly educated?
Blame the Colleges.
Raising the cost two or three times the rate of inflation for 20 years will do that.
Tax cuts only expire if the Democrats force them to be. All the Republicans wanted to make them permanent but they didn't have enough votes at the time... they should after November though, given what the Democrats are campaigning on these days.
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Given that tuition and textbook costs have dramatically increased, yet the minimum wage has not kept pace, this is not really surprising.
I remember many of my past professors that went to college in the late 60's and 70's, talked about how they would take the summer off to work and party, that they were able to earn enough to cover their entire tuition and books for the fall and spring semesters. LONG LONG LONG GONE are those days. Today, your lucky if you can find a summer job that will allow you to make rent, let alone, save any sort of money for tuition/books/living expenses. Student loans don't really help in the long term, as the future is mortgaged to pay for the present and that debt will be with you likely for a good 10+ years after one graduates.
With the current trend of steadily increased costs with minimal wage/salary increases to match, it is unlikely to improve any time soon
Currently, there is no pressure to keep tuition costs in check. That is, consumers are not price-sensitive. No matter what you are charging in tuition, loans and aid will cover it. Education loans are also not discharged in bankruptcy, so there is no reason to turn borrowers down based on their estimated ability to repay. It is all-around failure to apply market principles that resulted in inefficient and very expensive system. Tuition prices will not come down until there is a market pressure to do so. More aid will only make this problem worse.
Downstream of "$150,000 loan for gender studies undergraduate degree" is reduced quality of life, reduced lifetime wealth, and overall economical drag from less available income from consumers. If anything, these loans should have a California's mandatory cancer warning label attached.
It is an open secret that colleges are abusing the good will of the government and the students.
College professors are paid no better or worse than they were in the 1950s.
Tuition adjusted for inflation, the cost of tuition is well over ten times what it was then.
So, if the professors are not being paid more, the students are not using 10 times as many professors... where is the money going?
Well, I'm not going to get into that because everyone has short attention spans. It doesn't matter. The point is that the costs can come down dramatically if you squeeze the universities. A lot of administrators and non-essential spending can be cut without impacting the quality of education for the students.
We can see this in other countries that didn't permit this to happen by writing blank checks to the universities. Education pretty much anywhere but the US is dramatically cheaper without being any worse for quality.
The solution is not to increase financial aid. In fact, that is a large part of what caused this to get out of control in the first place. The Feds really need to stop throwing around money. It fucked up the housing market, it fucked up US health care which has gone through the same radical inflation in cost, and it has fucked up college education.
It is a financial feed back loop. Write the colleges a blank check and they'll just get a little bolder every year seeing how far they can push it. You can either put your foot down and do some solid accounting or let it bankrupt you. It is a feed back loop. It doesn't matter how much money you have. Eventually, it will beggar anything as it increases infinitely.
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We have young people saddled with debt during the most productive years of their life. All so rich people can get a tax break they don't need. This is wrong.
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Europe here so I don't get the situation in the US. But I have always been explained that a part of those tuition fees are due to the fact that they include room anbd board? So food is still an issue?
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Most would be better served by gaining marketable technical skills even if they decide to pursue a degree. That way when they cannot get a job in graphic design they can at least be a plumber or welder.
Iâ(TM)ve worked in public higher ed since I was seeking my BA myself. My generation was targeted by credit card companies and we also saw the massive defunding of public higher education and thus the increase of cost to the students themselves.
But what most people donâ(TM)t know is that, behind the scenes, the bigger public universities we able offset a major portion of that increased tuition/fees with grants funded be increasing out of state and international admissions (who get charged much more than in state students). This means that while the total âoecostâ of higher education has officially increased, the proportional amount paid by students has only gone up a bit.
But still, there is a newer MAJOR fear of accumulating student debt. I left with $45k in debt, paid my minimums until I could pay more, took a payment hiatus due to unemployment, and then focused again on repayment. It took me 10 years to pay off the debt.
Today, I see students who are desperately afraid of taking on HALF as much debt as I did and as a result of hungry. Itâ(TM)s stunning how much more the students will self-educate about student debt by reading about the overall numbers of student loan default while not controlling for degree completion or the school from which the education was received (distance learning and for-profit schools are MASSIVELY more likely to pump out students that default on loans).
So, while there has been an increase in the direct costs of higher education, it has not been so much that students can not afford food. Instead, students have been taught to fear student debt as an extreme (sometimes politically motivated) reaction to poorly reported upon statistics.
Moral of the story: take the grants and scholarship without worry. Know what youâ(TM)re getting into with a federally subsidized loan, but donâ(TM)t let the big numbers scare you. We ALL go through repayment. Itâ(TM)s not wonderful or fun, but donâ(TM)t go hungry for 4-5 years just because you donâ(TM)t want to make payments.
Can you afford your resume getting screened by HR regardless of your skill and experience? It was much easier to get into IT without any degree when degrees in IT were rare. Sure, some brilliant people can overcome this even today when CS degree is expected. When you are The Expert in X, people who need X done right won't care about your degree. However, if you are just a replaceable cog in the machine, like 90% of us, not having some kind of degree is highly detrimental.
> This food insecurity is most prevalent at community colleges
Given that community colleges are dirt cheap, as far as education goes, I suspect the lack of food money has more to do with the kinds of folks whose incomes land them in community college, and that the tuition is not the cause of their woes.
Both of my kids "landed in community college" because it was inexpensive. Both will graduate with STEM degrees and have zero debt because I am able to pay their tuition and books and they are able to live at home. They will have a great education and zero debt. It's not impossible though it's not easy.
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What fraction of these students have a smartphone with a data plan? That's a few hundred dollars per year right there.
How much have these colleges and universities spent on luxurious campuses and sports facilities which could instead have been "spent" on (saved for) lower tuition?
You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it dissolve.
never seem to expire. Or how 80% of the cuts go to the 1%.
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Get into university on merit.
That would give some sort of full academic scholarship and allow the best in every generation to study and be supported.
Cant pass the test but have wealth? Buy your way into some study thats fun and use your own wealth to pay for what is needed.
When poor and not that smart, consider something outside a university education you cant afford.
Something like HVAC, plumbing and electrical. Vocational training.
Domestic spying is now "Benign Information Gathering"
this is a false narrative used to justify cutting funding. It's a straw man.
The loans were the result of out of control tuition increases. Those increases started when federal funding was slashed. That started with Reagan, continued with Clinton and didn't get any better under Obama.
We were _heavily_ subsidizing colleges to keep tuition low because mega corporations needed trained American workers. Outsourcing and H1-Bs eliminated that need and when that happened they cut funding. We could have stood up to them and kept taxing them to pay for schools but we didn't.
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High-Paying Trade Jobs Sit Empty, While High School Grads Line Up For University https://www.npr.org/sections/e...
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Well, sounds like it might be a cure for the old "freshman 15" that everyone used to gain when hitting college.
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That's a big part of it. It's also important to look at how schools compete for students based on amenities, not just the quality of education. I haven't studied the numbers, but I would expect to see that the budgets of schools are shifting more and more towards non-academic expenditures.
Now there is finally enough attention to the cost of schools that schools can compete on cost, so I expect to see the market forces coming into play as a bigger factor in the coming years.
it's been shown that time and energy spent worrying about money massively impacts productivity.
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My daughter got a full ride scholarship four years ago. The first year cost of very little since all of her food was paid. The next year they changed the food plans that caused her to be short toward the end of the year. Last year I started putting fifty a week in to her bank account so she would be able to eat when she could, due to the collage shutting down several of their little kiosk food nooks. This year they are replacing all of those with food trucks and her vouchers don't add up to three meals a day for the duration of her last year.
Added into that, she has been audited for three years in a row despite the last two times they found nothing wrong. All the while insisting its 'random'. She is still lucky in that she had the grades to get through collage without a crushing debt at the end.
This situation is attributed to a new chancellor who immediately spent five million on renovating his house and then doing more renovations the next year. He also wants to get a football team going. Its clear that collages do better without them. The quality of the students who are there to learn is superior to the meat heads they will get with football around.
Most dorms also have kitchens, which few students actually use. If you have an apartment, it definitely has a kitchen. Cooking is cheap as well especially if you rotate between friends and share the meals.
My blue-collar parents didn't believe in college when I decided to quit my construction job ($10 per hour) and go to community college.They allowed me to live at home and provided dinner. Breakfast and lunch was my own responsibility. I worked 30 hours a week ($5 per hour) at the campus bookstore to pay for tution, books, breakfast and lunch. I graduated debt free.
Downstream of "$150,000 loan for gender studies undergraduate degree" is reduced quality of life, reduced lifetime wealth, and overall economical drag from less available income from consumers. If anything, these loans should have a California's mandatory cancer warning label attached.
My preference is stick to local state colleges, where you can get a degree at a cost of ~$13k per year in tuition and books. Much lower loans necessary, including the engineering track
It's simple economics - increasing the supply of money (via student loans) to buy a service while not commensurately increasing the supply of that service will cause the price of that service to go up.
maybe it will solve the obesity issue
You joke, but maybe it will help pop the tuition bubble. State school tuition is something like 30x what it was when I was young - it's insane. The more money the government threw at the problem, the more universities raised tuition to vacuum up all that financial aid plus all the money they can from their students' families.
Like all bubbles popping, it's going to suck for a while. But university tuitions need to revert to something affordable when working part time, and that will never happen as long as the government funnels money though (some) students to the universities.
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It's much more complicated than that. Sure, easy access to loans can lead to trouble--e.g., the housing market crash in 2007-2010--but another major contributor is that public higher education is becoming that in name only, as largely Republican-led state government decrease funding to public higher education in favor of tax cuts:
https://www.insidehighered.com...
But it goes beyond both of these as well, and is, in part, fueled by this issue. Universities want to attract students, and nowadays, students want their own suites, a climbing wall, a lazy river, WiFi that works in absolutely every nook and cranny on campus, mobile access to every university resource (grades, registration, coursework, events), etc. All of these things a.) cost money, b.) were not even a consideration a few decades ago (e.g., are additional expenses), and are rarely covered by states, so universities jack up student fees and tuition to cover such amenities. Furthermore, when university housing gets more expensive, rentals in the area get slightly less expensive. It all becomes something of an arms race between universities, who now have PR and Marketing groups that oversee admissions and registration.
Oh, and increased reliance on loans and federal funds leads to an increased need for compliance, which leads to more administration, which leads to higher costs, as one of the single most expensive aspect of a university is managing human capital (personnel, HR, benefits, etc.).
Welcome to the human race. Most humans throughout most of history have had to deal with 'food insecurity' perhaps this experience will help give those in college some perspective.
Speaking of respective, how insecure is there food in reality. I mean aren't ramien noodles till sold for something like 5 for dollar and tuna sold for cheap, what about those eggs. If you can get to a normal grocery store once a month a single person can live and not starve for less then $30 a month, you just aren't eating food you like. I'm not saying this to be harsh , that is what I lived on my senior year while working to graduate, why because my parents were poor and their available contribution was zero. Maybe we appropriate things more if we have to fight for them, rather then treating college like an extended adolescences and parting till we puke.
I'd like to see some statistics NOT related to 'feelings'. How about , how many college students are hospitalized per capita for malnutrition? (anybody? was there any?).
Here the thing, if you are choosing between beer and food, please pick food. A person can also do without new cloths for years ( the good will is nearby if you are hard up.)
I have my doubt''s if this is actually 'food insecurity' in so much as it is poor planning and wanting what you want.
Seriously if you have enough money to pay for school you have enough money to eat. Take 1 less class a semester, pick up a few hours and graduate in 5 or 6 years instead of 4. Hmm... food or books.. food or books ... you need to food before you can use the books.
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I no longer wonder why the average American is way less healthy than the average European. Thanks for solving a mystery.
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in the 80s? The spikes didn't happen until the late 90s/early 2000s. I know, because I just missed it and read multiple articles about it in my college's newspaper. Articles written with the full backing of the college's economics department doing research to show what was going to happen when the federal funding cuts that were being proposed started hitting. I remember reading how in 20 years tuition would top $12-$16k for a public university. And here we are 20 years later, I've got a kid in college and sure enough her tuition is $16k (3rd year nursing program).
Again, supply and demand go out the window when government subsidies get involved. There are times when this is a bad thing. Education is not one of those times. We are seeing the effects of what happens when the government pulls back from funding education. It's not that the cost is rising any more than usual. Educating children and young adults was _always_ this expensive. That's why until the government stepped in only the very wealthy went to school. We're going back to those days.
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We have run-away chronic disease spreading across the world because people are starving themselves. Fat people in America and other countries are starving for the proper nutrition. It defies the visual evidence but it is true. The nutrients you need to replenish brain cells and other metabolic processes is not present in fast food and most of the convenience foods marketed as healthy. Foods that make you fat and miserable are labelled as safe. Ramen noodles for instance, a staple of poor college kids, is nothing but refined flour and egregious amounts of sodium. Full belly and starvation.
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that linking to a chart that shows the cost of education climbing doesn't prove anything. I suspect you did that to add credibility to your arguments and make it seem you were citing mathematical statistics that proved your point. That chart literally proves nothing except that costs have gone up. But they don't show _why_ those costs have gone up. The reason, as I mentioned, is that we were hiding the true costs with government subsidies so that people other than the very rich could benefit from a college education.
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We read, over and over and over, how the workforce needs more and more education.[1] Meanwhile, the GOP keep cutting taxes.[2,3] Where is this "highly educated workforce" going to come from in the US, if this goes on? Asia? Eastern Europe?
1. I personally know that Philly Community College, in the early eighties, got 90% of its funding from Pell Grants, which have been hacked and slashed.
2. Check out the results of this in Kansas, where the GOP lege finally told Gov Brownback where to shove it.
3. When I was a kid, teachers did NOT have to put money out of their pocket for school supplies.
I don't understand. We now live in a world where education is free and never ending. You can learn anything you want. Libraries of books became the internet of infinite websites. You don't need college to learn things. So the right to education has absolutely nothing to do with college anymore.
College is, what it always was: a certification of advanced skills. When brick-layer was basic, engineer required college. Great. In a world where few had college degrees, college degrees meant better employment. Great.
That's not today. That hasn't been today for two decades now.
Today, college means not entering the workforce for 5-to-15 more years.
Today, there are more can't-find-work surgeons than there are brick-layers. Full stop.
If you can't afford to go to college to become and out-of-work doctor, brick-layer is something you can do at HALF THE AGE, for what has become an increasing wage (because no one wants to do it). And with the extra 5-to-15 years of income, and the better hours, and the better lifestyle, I don't know why anyone short on money would ever choose college.
My neighbour's a seasoned municipal plumber of twenty years (think sewers). My housekeeper's a new school janitor for six months. The janitor makes more money than the plumber.
The janitor works full time, with a pension and paid vacation, in her own community. The plumber takes any hours he can find, and that's it -- unless he chooses a 36 transport to northern nowheresville to start building a new city for three weeks at a time away from his family for triple the money.
This stupid propaganda that advanced education a) means college; b) means paying for; c) is required; and d) is beneficial at all -- is just foolish.
Again, if you want to be a doctor and specialize in the back of the knee, and you've got the mind and the money to do it, by all means go pay for college and go work through residency and spend twenty years of your life working with the [ehem] guarantee that you'll earn the big bucks by the time you're 40, and that you'll survive and still want to do it by then.
But, if you don't have the money, or don't have the intellect, or don't have the desire to invest 25 years all at once into nothing but your career, then there are countless careers that require little education and absolutely zero accreditation.
We've discussed this before.
Wow, I'm surprised you made it out of cable newsvertainment long enough to type all that. Good work. Keep it coming. Freedom is possible, you'll see!
It would be great if we could get Betsy DeVos to tweet that.
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Only a small subset of students were eligible for the loans introduced in 1958 (engineers, science, etc). The explosion happened when they were opened up to everyone in the late 70's.
That's changed then. 30ish years ago when I worked for food, you had to pay for your burger just like everyone else.
I'd be surprised if that changed among the chains. My kids did get meals in the dining centers for working there while in college though.
Grandparent post is tripping. Both QSR (fast food) and full service restaurants only give discounts to regular employees nowadays. The QSR standard is still 50% off, while some full service restaurants have either a fixed low-cost menu, a 20-40% discount, or one which varies depending on the item ("no discounts on market fish or steak", for example).
Managers at QSRs still typically get free meals, AFAIK. I was working as a manager at the McDonalds adjacent to my college for the first year and a half and probably spent about $40 a month on groceries when I did thanks to all the free meals. (Side note: Nothing bothers me more than Super Size Me. I literally ate nothing but McD for waaaaay longer than he did, but since I wasn't trying to make a propaganda point, I barely gained a pound.)
Anyway... yes. If you're having problems making food ends meet and you don't have a job in food service, that's one way to help. It's also a great learning opportunity. My later positions in IT/tech support were helped by the customer service skills and management skills I learned at McD.
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you can put your meal plan on a student loans so it's over priced and at some schools it's forced on to you.
By the government. You're massively underestimating just how much of our education system is paid for by the Fed.
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you used to be able to work and pay for college.
You where able to work part time / summer jobs and be able to pay for college in the past.
given the productivity raises we've continually had in America. Productivity has doubled in 40 years yet real wages are down 14%. It used to be that as productivity went up pay and standards of living did. Americans should be making _more_ not less, but inflation takes 3-4% right off the bat. It's not surprising that educators would know enough to see this and demand a 3-4% raise to keep pace with inflation.
What _is_ surprising is that labor has gotten so weak that it can no longer demand that as the pie gets bigger they get a share of it. Hell, there was just a new story about how the 1% have finally have as much of the pie as they did right before the Great Depression. That's not a coincidence. We're heading for something nasty if we don't turn back...
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Oh and most would know what a collage is.
collage
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noun
a piece of art made by sticking various different materials such as photographs and pieces of paper or fabric onto a backing.
the art of making collages.
a combination or collection of various things.
Perhaps colleges and universities could build cafeterias and offer students meal plans that they can finance along with their student loans?
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When I worked at subway about 20 years ago, I got a free six inch sub a day.
yessir, you speak truth, all of it
When I went to (reasonably good) school, a science degree was about 4K/year. At the same school now (10 years later) it is 8K - twice the cost. As a comparison minimum wage went from about $9 to $14.
Even back then, it is lucky I got a 50% off scholarship and family helped out. I still would have been able to do it without that help but there is no way I would be at the same level of competitiveness and education that I am at now.
Getting a STEM degree and doing something useful with it is tough, and it's sad that it's only getting so much tougher.
"What lies behind us, and what lies before us are tiny matters compared to what lies within us." Ralph Waldo Emerson
Desperate name calling is the last refuge of ideologue caught peddling lies.
Y'all have gone and done it now: college is screwed up, and the only hope will be a painful solution. The solution at least has the virtue of being simple: end student loans. After a major period of adjustment, fewer people will be going to college, and tuition will plummet. With luck, this will also eliminate overpaid administrators, and kill off stupid money-wasting programs.
Unfortunately, it won't make incoming students more qualified. For that, you need to fix the rest of your educational system...
Enjoy life! This is not a dress rehearsal.
This kind of desperate spin by the activists is exactly what I'm talking about. Now that world hunger has been all but solved, they desperately need some way to keep people thinking that capitalism just isn't helping the poorest.
That moment when you have to pretend that "people eating too much" is the same thing as "people starving" just to sell your narrative, is the moment you show just how little you actually care about the people.
There are tens of millions of people alive right now who have mild retardation, not because they lost the genetic lottery, but because they grew poor in countries hit by hunger back then, which crippled the development of their learning ability. To even consider comparing this to people being fat from eating too much sugary food is to be a truly monstrous individual with utter lack of empathy.
Something that was quite common among the communists in Soviet Union, Maoist China and Pol Pot's Burma, and national socialists of the Third Reich. Can't afford empathy when there's utopia to be built.
Perhaps if the students would try eating food instead of money they would have better luck.
. . . just saying.
Found the Kool-aid drinker.
Il n'y a pas de Planet B.
maybe it will solve the obesity issue
You joke, but maybe it will help pop the tuition bubble. State school tuition is something like 30x what it was when I was young - it's insane. The more money the government threw at the problem, the more universities raised tuition to vacuum up all that financial aid plus all the money they can from their students' families.
Like all bubbles popping, it's going to suck for a while. But university tuitions need to revert to something affordable when working part time, and that will never happen as long as the government funnels money though (some) students to the universities.
Colleges are the worst of excess for the staff. Massive pay, working less than 20 hours a week, full retirements, and sabbaticals every so often. If only we all had it so easy. There's a reason college is never confused with the "real world".
What you post is partially true. There is a more serious problem. I was absolutely working my ass off at the gym for years and would hit plateaus and really struggled to control my weight. I was "eating healthy" or far healthier than your average American for instance--with restricted calories tracking every morsal. Eating refined sugar triggers your body's metabolic systems to immediately store fat. Not because you are eating too many calories but because of a chemical reaction that is thrown like a switch. One can of coke is too much added sugar for one day. Most people, even those who do not drink soda, are getting way more sugar than their body can handle.
How many people have you talked to who said they lost weight by eliminating soda? Add up the calories and convert it to the equivalent weight gain/loss and you will see that there is no way the calories alone could have solved for the lost/gained weight.
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Unless all you want is a bunch of robots easily programmable by FOX/CNN.
Of course I want robots programmable by Foxconn. Automating assembly of electronic devices would at least help alleviate the sweatshop conditions in Chinese factories.
Oh wait, you said "FOX News Channel and CNN", didn't you?
Found the guy on the right, who also doesn't know the difference between "threw" and "through", and who is *not* one of the 0.1% who really does know better than a spellchecker (that's "lasagna", BTW).
Your example just goes to show that those who fail to understand normalisation are doomed to reinvent it—poorly.
Il n'y a pas de Planet B.
I've got a kid in college right now and you can take your lower standards and stuff it. Getting _in_ isn't so hard. Getting into your 300 level courses is damn near impossible. She barely squeaked in with a 4.0, a few summers of volunteering and a specialty program she did to prep her for the classes. Her workload is nuts. She takes summer _and_ winter courses to cover gen-ed requirements because they loader her with 5-6 full time classes for her major during the year proper.
And this is just a continuation of what she did in high school.
I don't know how anyone could make it in college and work unless they were one of those freaks that gets by on 4 hours sleep no prob. They work the kids like dogs these days. They have too. Thanks to outsourcing H1-Bs College is a requirement for an entry level job now. There's too many qualified applicants for the 300 level courses. Got to weed them out somehow. You could jack up the price more but colleges don't do that because they non-profit. The goal is to educate, not to make money.
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Did you notice that you did the exact thing you complained that I did, except you added a factually untrue statement?
I noticed that you tried, in your limited ability, to mimic my method and as is common with people who have warped world view because they hold extreme views, you missed the point entirely.
It's not just the luxury of transit, it's also that the US is a land of plenty. We consume a lot of food compared to many nations. I pretty much eat 2x what my European counter parts eat. Although I am almost a foot smaller and 40 pounds less.
You can also see the changes from wealth in places like India and China. They used to eat a lot of greens, rice, and sugars. But since the increase in wealth, they have bulked up their meals, added enrichments to their foods, and increased their sugar, fat, and protein intakes. You can clearly see the difference in photos across the generations. Both countries now have a growing diabetes epidemic.
how can you still keep saying, with a straight face, that the US educational system is better then what we have in Europe. This is just lunacy, soon there will only be education for the rich, and by then it will be too late.
On a long enough timeline, the survival rate for everyone drops to zero.
Yes, that is 100% correct. You are included in the definition of "hungry"
maybe it will solve the obesity issue
You joke, but maybe it will help pop the tuition bubble. State school tuition is something like 30x what it was when I was young - it's insane. The more money the government threw at the problem, the more universities raised tuition to vacuum up all that financial aid plus all the money they can from their students' families.
Like all bubbles popping, it's going to suck for a while. But university tuitions need to revert to something affordable when working part time, and that will never happen as long as the government funnels money though (some) students to the universities.
I am in Canada. WTF is going on in the USA? University education here is provincial government and Federal Government's public/private funding. All top notch.
Want McGill, University of Toronto, University of whatever dozen or more Canadian university institutions? They mostly match Princeton, Harvard, UCLA and Stanford. Canadians get a university education for 4k/yr plus extra for room and board. Rent a 4 bedroom upper duplex and 4 students can share the affordable rent.
You can even do evening university (1 to 2 courses per semester).
Education is at the same level as the quoted American Schools.
It might be less expensive to earn a bachelor, Master or PHD degree in Canada as a foreign student. I know not what foreign students pay for fees, but I am sure it is less expensive than being in the equivalent school in the USA. Want to get a superb degree in Finance (Hautes Etudes Commercial (HEC), is a University of Montreal (French) school for commerce. Get a PHD from there and your skills will be wanted world-wide. Courses are in both languages (English/French). Want a degree in CS with concentration on AI. See Univ of Toronto, Univ of Ottawa, ETS in Montreal,
Wow... What is the matter with your American schools. When does a Chancellor need a million dollar salary? Come to Canada for an education, not for a football team.
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same same. Like most non anal beings I rely on spellcheck. Since collage is a word it didn't flagged. I got my meaning across and despite your blathering it seems to have been well received. I would like to further add its my daughter who is going to collage not me.
Future societies will hold the American system in almost all things as a cautionary tail rather than as the triumph it could have been.
The term is "cautionary tale", as in a story that provides a warning. A "cautionary tail" would be more akin to a baboon's ass or a skunk's raised tail. As for the "American system", it has been one of the greatest engines for prosperity that the world has ever seen.
For people to wake the fuck up and realize that short-term profit-driven ideology is not going to work in the long term while sacrificing investment in and opportunities for young people.
The problem is not the "people" (i.e. "we the people", or the country as a whole). The problem, in this particular discussion, is students feeling entitled to a free ride. College is not a right. It is not even a necessity. There are plenty of trades that pay exceedingly well and do not require a degree. Taking on the challenge of college also means accepting responsibility for the cost. Ultimately that is on the student. Don't have the funds? Can't get a loan or a grant? Take some time off and get a job the way past generations did. No one owed them a thing, and they still made something of themselves. The entitlement bullshit needs to stop. That's what's killing the "American system". We have a couple of generations that think the world owes them. In truth, it owes them fuck all. If they're not willing to put something into it, then they should get nothing out of it.
Govt should provide Free Education and Universal Health Care
Casteism
BULLSHIT.
I know a handful of welders... Not a single one took out a loan to go to welding school. It was expensive, but not beyond their ability to save up and then pay for it.
You lying sack of shit.... Student loans for welding school....... Are you fucking serious?
In fact, I don't know of a single trades employer who won't PAY for the schooling if it will result in a better and more skilled employee. Maybe some won't pay 100%, but most have generous yearly allotments you can take.
My former employer would pay up to $12K/year for industry related schooling. I thought that was quite generous, especially considering that they were already paying me $100K+/year in direct wages..
See, they had this list of things you could go learn, that would benefit THEM (and you) if you learned them.. Not only would they pay for you to learn these things, but after you did, they would raise your wages accordingly (you were now more valuable to the company)..
Oddly enough, Gender Studies and Basket Weaving were not on the list...
You still didn't say anything, even though you managed to use some words. I hope you didn't pay much for them.