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Amazon Picks New York, Northern Virginia For HQ2 [Update: Confirmed] (washingtonpost.com)

The Washington Post is reporting that Amazon has picked New York's Long Island City and Arlington County's Crystal City neighborhoods as the company's second headquarters (Warning: source paywalled; alternative source). The two locations will split the duty and will reportedly bring the cities an infusion of jobs and tax revenue. From the report: Amazon will open major new outposts in Northern Virginia's Crystal City and New York City, splitting its much-sought investment of up to 50,000 jobs between the two East Coast sites. The choice of Crystal City in Arlington County as one of the winners would cement Northern Virginia's reputation as a magnet for business and potentially reshape the Washington region into an East Coast outpost of Silicon Valley over the next decade.

It also represents a victory for New York Mayor Bill de Blasio (D) and Gov. Andrew M. Cuomo (D), who had joked that he would change his name to "Amazon Cuomo" if necessary to land the prize. Amazon's decision to split the project rather than open a second headquarters on par with its Seattle campus has angered some who said the company had ginned up competition among cities only to change the rules midstream. Some said it was unfair that the company seemed to be considering only sites in more affluent communities.
Updated on November 13, 15:10 GMT: Amazon on Tuesday confirmed that it had selected New York City and Northern Virginia for new headquarters. In a statement, Jeff Bezos said, "We are excited to build new headquarters in New York City and Northern Virginia. These two locations will allow us to attract world-class talent that will help us to continue inventing for customers for years to come. The team did a great job selecting these sites, and we look forward to becoming an even bigger part of these communities."

224 comments

  1. Good! by BeuHD · · Score: 0

    They'll fit in well there with the thieving politicians and defense contractor leeches.

    1. Re: Good! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thanks we already heard that like three weeks ago

  2. You'd think by bobstreo · · Score: 4, Insightful

    if you were planning on more than one location, you wouldn't pick the same coast, because of hurricanes and similar electrical grids.

    1. Re:You'd think by AC-x · · Score: 2

      To be fair this is their 2nd and 3rd location. Their 1st location is on the west coast.

    2. Re:You'd think by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 1

      Also, Northern Virginia and Long Island are nearly 300 miles apart. They are not both going to be hit by one storm.

    3. Re:You'd think by rikkards · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Might also be that Bezos has houses in both cities and both planned locations are within something like 6 miles of his places...

      Almost seems like this was some big con doesn't it?

    4. Re:You'd think by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But both Long Island and Washington D.C. were affected by Hurricane Sandy...

    5. Re:You'd think by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      the only fucking reason they picked these locations is that bezos owns homes near both. there was no contest or whatever this bullshit was. it was rigged, it was always going to be these two locations, and the whole country was played.

    6. Re: You'd think by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And both are with in 7 miles of a BEOS home.

      He does not to commute too far. Rhis is unlike his employees, who try to find affordable housing.

    7. Re: You'd think by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It was a big con and quite frankly I hope there's a collective lawsuit against him personally for wasting government resources and fraud.

    8. Re:You'd think by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "affected" is a stretch. Crystal City wasn't impacted by Sandy at all. In fact Northern Virginia area (read: inside the beltway) were unaffected, and DC was minimally impacted and mostly just by preemptive closures, not actual storm impact . Southern MD is another story and was hit a bit; but still nothing at all like NY/NJ.

      Short of two independent storms hitting in quick succession, the chance of both areas every being equally catastrophically impacted are very very low. Add to that the fact that both areas have the "pull" to get rebuilding support quickly means they won't be out nearly as long as some other areas with less clout. Right or wrong, it is the truth.

    9. Re: You'd think by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They are just looking to be close to the Pentagon, is all.. and perhaps the NYC location is an attempt to attract talent?

    10. Re: You'd think by rednip · · Score: 5, Interesting

      50,000 jobs weren't all going to be 'new to the company', maybe not even mostly. Surely a number would be high level transfers from other locations, including DC and NY. Executives avoid moving as much as anyone, while some will make the jump to a new city, most will stay 'closer to home' (often family) and resist moving power to a new complex. So there might have been very real internal forces pulling them 'home'.

      Also, while Amazon called it a search for HQ2, it's not uncommon for a company to have divisional HQs. The division which would easily be likely to gain its own HQ would be AWS. However, AWS has a growth problem in that many retailers (and some other companies) while they like the platform, don't like adding to a competitor's bottom line. Add to a market cap which is creating its own weather (e.g. disproportionately affecting it) in the stock market and regulators sniffing around a forced breakup and you could understand the wisdom of Amazon doing it on their own terms. So I think that this has always been a search for a home of a spit off AWS and there is also a decent chance that they'll spit into a third company (perhaps software), with a choice of two HQ2s this seems likely.

      have a long shot guess that the reason why it took so long is that Amazon will announce both the HQs and the split up at the same time.

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    11. Re: You'd think by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That close to the Pentagon? I don't think that had much to do with any Bezos residences..

    12. Re:You'd think by lotaris · · Score: 1

      I'm _sure_ this was far down the list of actual criteria :-)

      He gets a good commute, company gets some more govt subsidies to help crush the remaining competition who lack that kind of access.

      Both are really expensive places to live which sucks for the people working for him, but really Seattle has become the same.

      The residents of the few mid-sized cities that were in the running should be breathing a sigh of relief.

    13. Re:You'd think by Mashiki · · Score: 5, Insightful

      300 miles apart, last hurricane that hit the area was what 450-500mi across? Yep, not going to be hit by one storm at all. Or those 750-1300mi long rain/snow/ice/freezing rain storms that are common through the plains-texas-georgia then smashing up along the east coast because of all that warm tropical air. Just think a little bit, a winter storm in the US can knock out electricity from Ontario Canada through to Georgia to Kentucky, dump 3' of snow all along the east coast along I75, and you can have another day or two of it still coming at you with a complete mixed bag including a few inches of freezing rain, and the tail end of it is spawning t-storms in Florida.

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    14. Re: You'd think by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      These are all within easy driving distance from Bezos houses. There never was a competition.

    15. Re: You'd think by acroyear · · Score: 1

      no, to stay close to wall street as they push their cloud offerings to the execs and traders there.

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    16. Re:You'd think by Hodr · · Score: 1

      Even if true this doesn't seem like it would be a deciding factor for a person who could buy a house adjacent to any piece of property pretty much anywhere. Oh, you want $10M for a $400k house, but it shaves my commute from an hour to 5 minutes, and I make close to $2.5M an hour. Seems like a good deal.

    17. Re:You'd think by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They may have underplayed it, but boy did you oversell it

    18. Re:You'd think by gslavik · · Score: 1

      It's not really Long Island. Long Island, by New Yorkers is considered everything east of NYC (Nassau county on). Long Island City is a neighborhood in Queens (eastmost borough in NYC, Nassau county borders Queens on the east side).

    19. Re:You'd think by b0s0z0ku · · Score: 1

      Even more confusingly, Long Island City is actually on the WESTERNMOST side of Queens, not towards what most people consider "Long Island."

    20. Re:You'd think by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Those who are complaining about both areas would be hit by the same storm DO NOT live in either area. They have NO IDEA about the weather in the area at all.

      First, the northern VA is the area where most storms will miss when they hit the east coast. Second, unlike FL, when a storm hits, it is more likely the remnant of a storm from whatever left from the south, and not the core. Third, flooding (for Crystal City area) is not an issue when it comes to rain.

      However, one may say that the reason could come from politic, which I would not argue because I agree with the reason.

      In conclusion, if you aren't living in the areas, you have no idea of the climate. Thus, please refrain from making such a stupid comment.

    21. Re: You'd think by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      it was nothing but a con to squeeze tax concessions out of the local govts

    22. Re:You'd think by jshackney · · Score: 1

      The residents of the few mid-sized cities that were in the running should be breathing a sigh of relief.

      They have no idea the bullet they've dodged. Probably never will.

    23. Re:You'd think by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, if people are stupid enough ....

    24. Re: You'd think by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's Haiku now

    25. Re: You'd think by datavirtue · · Score: 1

      The point of this was to exact leverage and become a defense contractor. Mission accomplished. AWS is going to end up being the Oracle of cloud services. Now they are "too important to fail." Defense contractors never have to worry about the things most companies lose sleep over. They have a free unspoken guarantee of billions in profit for life.

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  3. Worst possible places IMHO by Indy1 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    massively overcrowded, horrific traffic, insane cost of living.

    Unless someone likes living in an over crowded over priced city with a pile of east coasters.....No thanks!

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    1. Re:Worst possible places IMHO by PrimaryConsult · · Score: 5, Insightful

      If you're driving in either of these places you're doing it wrong. Find the nearest park and ride, take train, profit.

    2. Re:Worst possible places IMHO by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And this is why you are not Jeff Bezos.

    3. Re:Worst possible places IMHO by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Robots don't commute, never sleep and don't worry about "cost of living". Amazon is planning for the future of fulfillment, not today's fulfillment.

    4. Re:Worst possible places IMHO by pz · · Score: 1

      I live in one of the finalist cities, and I am nothing but relieved that we weren't chosen.

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    5. Re:Worst possible places IMHO by sabbede · · Score: 1

      You left out the high taxes. The company gets a break on them but the employees won't. Sure, that's part of the high cost of living, but one to which only the employees are exposed. It's like they picked the places where their employees would have the lowest relative standard of living. There were plenty of places under consideration that had all the benefits and amenities of the sites they chose, but with lower cost of living.

    6. Re:Worst possible places IMHO by Ryanrule · · Score: 0

      Virginia has shit transit.

    7. Re: Worst possible places IMHO by Type44Q · · Score: 1

      If you even live near NYC, you're doing it wrong... but it's definitely a fantastic place to learn to drive.

    8. Re:Worst possible places IMHO by b0bby · · Score: 1

      Unless someone likes living in an over crowded over priced city

      If people didn't like living there, it wouldn't be overcrowded, would it?

      It seems to me that the Northern Virginia location, aside from being near Bezos' DC house, makes sense - the DC area has (one of, at least) the highest percent of college grads in the country. If you want to hire a bunch of smart/educated people, it's clearly one of the areas you'd look at.

    9. Re:Worst possible places IMHO by b0bby · · Score: 1

      Virginia has one of the lower tax burdens in the country, though you may be right for NY.

    10. Re: Worst possible places IMHO by b0s0z0ku · · Score: 1

      NYC has its advantages...
      (a) culture, theater, etc
      (b) public university is cheap, like cheaper than the UC system and great. Many of the CUNY schools have affiliations with research institutions, so it's easy for undergrads to do research
      (c) you can walk or take public transit most places. Your kids can be independent, not dependent on a car or having someone to pick them up
      (d) a lot of really interesting people -- diversity is a good thing.

    11. Re:Worst possible places IMHO by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Please stay in whatever boring place you're from. We don't need or want you in New York.

    12. Re:Worst possible places IMHO by b0s0z0ku · · Score: 1

      VRE isn't even close to being over capacity. The freight railroads are just being obstructionist. They should be given a choice (a) take money to allow more commuter/passenger trains or (b) have their tracks taken via eminent domain.

    13. Re: Worst possible places IMHO by reanjr · · Score: 1

      Turns out there's like almost 100 million people who want to to live in crowded East coast cities.

    14. Re:Worst possible places IMHO by b0s0z0ku · · Score: 1

      You get a lot for your taxes in NYC though. Functional public transit system, at least compared to other US cities. You can live without a car, or at least with one car per family. Cheap to free public university education for your kids. Surprisingly good public schools for a large US city (yes, there are exceptions that are awful, but remember that NYC is more populated than many US states). Access to cultural venues that's often heavily discounted for local residents.

    15. Re:Worst possible places IMHO by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you don't think VRE is over capacity, then you must be getting on at Union Station. I get on at Crystal City and have to either stand in the isle or sit in the vestibule. CSX doesn't give a damn about commuter rail. Amtrak owns the tracks from Alexandria to D.C., along with the contracts for all the VRE train staff, and to them it's just a tool to weasel more funding for Amtrak.

    16. Re:Worst possible places IMHO by b0s0z0ku · · Score: 1

      The trains may be over capacity. The tracks are not.

    17. Re:Worst possible places IMHO by forkfail · · Score: 1

      "Functional public transit" - for a given definition of functional.

      Albany let the MTA rot for years, relying on the fact that it was specced out and designed during the depression era, and massively over engineered to withstand years of neglect. The folks who built it said, "We just went through this, it could happen again, let's make sure that it it does, it doesn't wipe out the trains." But the politicians looked at this during times of prosperity, and said, "Hey, the train's will keep running. Why bother? Let the next guy do it. Imma gonna buy me some votes!"

      And today, well, they don't even bother with "train traffic ahead of us" anymore. It's just, "We're delayed, gonna be here a while".

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    18. Re:Worst possible places IMHO by kiviQr · · Score: 1

      .... close to goverment

    19. Re:Worst possible places IMHO by b0s0z0ku · · Score: 1

      The subway exists and covers extensive parts of the city. Which is more that can be said for most American sprawled-out excuses for cities.

      But yes, NYC would be a better place without upstate hayseeds from Albany controlling its purse strings. NY state should really be split in two, with anything below Poughkeepsie and east of the Hudson being its own state.

    20. Re:Worst possible places IMHO by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 2

      massively overcrowded, horrific traffic, insane cost of living.

      These are all within a few miles of Bezos's other two houses - that's why they're the best possible locations.

      The Golden Ticket Contest was just to get those places to give Amazon tax breaks or whatever - there wasn't really ever a competition. Some people will call it clever, some will call it devilishly clever.

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    21. Re:Worst possible places IMHO by King_TJ · · Score: 1

      As a transplant to the DC Metro area for my job, I largely agree.

      There are a couple things to consider though:

      1. The Crystal City, VA location for the new Amazon HQ really only replaces the number of people who used to work there before government made some cutbacks and changes. Crystal City is pretty much a city full of tall office buildings from the 1970's and 80's, with a whole set of underground tunnels connecting them together with strip mall type food places, shoe shine people, and the like inside them. It was all built up back when govt. contractors and a couple of major Federal govt. organizations were stationed there, and has been sitting, vastly under-utilized and slowly decaying ever since. Location-wise, it sits close enough to DC so you can see it out the windows of buildings there, and has the Pentagon on the other side of it. Reagan National airport is adjacent to it, too -- and 2 Metro lines get you to a Crystal City station stop. So it has good strategic placement. (Of course, having Amazon there will probably get rid of the relatively good deals on hotel stays there, that some travelers have been taking advantage of on DC trips for the last decade or so.)

      2. IMO, if you're going to live in this area, you have to be willing to do a longer commute AND negotiate to work from home at least 1 day per week (preferrably more than that). Increasingly, the DC government workers have the option to telecommute, and private businesses are catching on that people here expect it too. I found a good deal on a nice-sized 3 bedroom home in a semi-rural community, about an hour west of Bethesda, MD. It's possible to take commuter rail in to DC itself, or to get off at Rockville, MD and transfer to the Metro, to go other places like Bethesda. I think a commute to/from Northern VA might be more time-consuming from where I live, but there are likely other, similar options on the VA side, when you start looking at smaller towns around 60-80 minutes from where your office is located.

    22. Re:Worst possible places IMHO by jeff4747 · · Score: 1

      But these two locations just happen to be close to places where Jeff Bezos owns houses.

      Must just be an amazing coincidence.

    23. Re: Worst possible places IMHO by TheCastro1689 · · Score: 1

      Aren't (a) and (d) the same thing? Also you described most major cities in most states and small towns in lots of states.

    24. Re: Worst possible places IMHO by apoc.famine · · Score: 2

      You can find all of that with a reasonable commute in a city 10% the size of NYC. Hell, even 5% the size of NYC. And the cost of living will be something like 50% less.

      Visit NCY to see some of the best theater and museums in the US. But live somewhere reasonable so you can be happy and prosperous.

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    25. Re: Worst possible places IMHO by apoc.famine · · Score: 1

      Want to, or think they have to to get ahead?

      I've been to a lot of small and medium sized cities in the US, and most of them would make a great place to settle down and have a nice life. No, you're not going to work for a megacorp there and make six figures, but you're going to do decently well, and will own a nice house for less than a one bedroom rental on the coasts.

      The folks I meet on business in their coastal cities love to show them off almost as much as they love to bitch about them. When I ask why they put up with all the things they hate, they pretty much all say, "this is where the jobs are". They ignore the fact that there are hundreds of other cities where that's true as well.

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    26. Re: Worst possible places IMHO by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      yeah, I loved learning how to road rage, best part of the lessons.

    27. Re:Worst possible places IMHO by squiggleslash · · Score: 1

      If any of the first complaints were "true" in any real sense (that is, people there find it overcrowded and/or are bothered by the traffic) it wouldn't cost so much to live there.

      The reality is NYC is the kind of city people want to live in. There's a desperate shortage of places like NYC, which is why it costs so much to live there, despite it being very efficient and cost effective in terms of resource use.

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    28. Re: Worst possible places IMHO by Pulzar · · Score: 1

      I've been to a lot of small and medium sized cities in the US, and most of them would make a great place to settle down and have a nice life. No, you're not going to work for a megacorp there and make six figures, but you're going to do decently well, and will own a nice house for less than a one bedroom rental on the coasts.

      The folks I meet on business in their coastal cities love to show them off almost as much as they love to bitch about them. When I ask why they put up with all the things they hate, they pretty much all say, "this is where the jobs are". They ignore the fact that there are hundreds of other cities where that's true as well.

      Like you said, you're not going to make six figures, and you will not have the choice of jobs that you would in a smaller place.

      Some (or a lot, based on population) people do want to have more career opportunities, even if it means smaller homes and less space. Just having any kind of a job is often not at all enough.

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    29. Re:Worst possible places IMHO by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So what do population centers have to offer if you don't need bodies to do work? If I were to make an automated facility that needed little manpower I'd go out to the middle of nowhere and pay to have the infrastructure put in place that I may need. For the price of a single lot in someplace like Queens I could afford a few hundred acres in the sandhills of Nebraska or Wyoming. Both of these places are in the central united states, have low tax rates and are outside of the sphere of typical natural disasters.

    30. Re:Worst possible places IMHO by Nethemas+the+Great · · Score: 1

      You can't fill a bucket from a thimble sized source. You have to locate where there's a large pool of talent. As it is they constantly send recruiters out across the country looking to grab talent from where ever they can find them; pay handsomely to ship their life to Seattle. Aside from giving Bezos a more comfortable commute, by dividing the HQ in two they make staffing easier. Three local talent pools, and two new offerings for enticing non-residents to relocate.

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    31. Re:Worst possible places IMHO by lgw · · Score: 1

      Virginia has one of the lower tax burdens in the country

      Virginia has a freaking income tax. A couple of the cities Amazon conned by pretending they were finalists are in states with no income tax. (And it's no coincidence Amazon started in a state with no income tax.)

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    32. Re:Worst possible places IMHO by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Proximity to large sales markets.

    33. Re:Worst possible places IMHO by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      or you can, ya know, hire remote employees and then you don't have to worry about sending recruiters across the country to try to entice people to move their families, leaving their own families and friends along with their kids friends and school. I know, it's a shocking idea.

    34. Re: Worst possible places IMHO by jythie · · Score: 2

      I think after the 80s and the decay of long term employment, moving to small towns for a job became a lot less attractive.

    35. Re:Worst possible places IMHO by jythie · · Score: 1

      Thing is, Amazon is long past the point where it needs to depend on local talent, as you point out they have been pulling people from around the country already... meaning the could set up shop pretty much anywhere and import all the workers they need, probably for cheaper.

    36. Re:Worst possible places IMHO by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The tracks are crowded. L'Enfant and Crystal City are single track platforms. The Manassas and Fredericksburg lines share the tracks through Alexandria. Trains normally need at least 10 minutes headway to proceed at speed. The current schedule departing Union Station between after 1500 is:
      1510 VRE 303
      1525 VRE 305
      1545 VRE 327
      1555 Amtrak 125
      1610 VRE 307
      1625 VRE 329
      1640 VRE 309
      1650 Amtrak 171
      1705 VRE 331
      1715 VRE 311
      1730 VRE 333
      1750 Amtrak 93
      1800 VRE 313
      1810 VRE 335
      1840 VRE 315
      1850 VRE 337

      Only VRE step-up eligible Amtrak are listed. There are additional trains. There are also freight trains that take trucks off I-95 sharing the tracks.

    37. Re:Worst possible places IMHO by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      VRE switched to Keolis some years back.

    38. Re: Worst possible places IMHO by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Distribution efficiency for good, water, entertainment, fire, police, etc. I suggest checking out SimCity. Downsides include pollution, crime, and attacks by Godzilla.

    39. Re:Worst possible places IMHO by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It was called BRAC and that moved quite a few government and military contractors to the suburbs in my neck of the woods Fort Belvoir. Real estate in Crystal City was outrageous and this was a good move to show developers we don't have to pay your prices. But the developers managed to wait it out for more deep pockets. Crystal City has been hurting.

      There's also plenty of new housing nearby in what used to be Potomac Yard.

    40. Re: Worst possible places IMHO by apoc.famine · · Score: 1

      Which was why I was talking about cities and not towns.

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    41. Re: Worst possible places IMHO by reanjr · · Score: 1

      I live in the city because the suburbs are a depressing shithole. Most of my coworkers choose the city because they want to be there for going out to eat, etc. We all work in the suburbs because that's where our job happens to be, but no one without kids has any desire to move out of the city.

      I think most people want to live in the city, but they aren't wealthy enough to make it work with children.

  4. And nothing has changed by vix86 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I had been hoping that Amazon would choose a city that could handle to have a large company like Amazon show up; instead, Amazon picked two cities/regions that already have ridiculous issues with real estate. NYC at least has a semi-functional public transit system, but my understanding with DC is that the metro doesn't stretch out far enough to accommodate most people living in the suburbs, resulting in long commutes. There are a number of cities that would have been a better choice and probably handled Amazon's impact on real estate much better (Atlanta, Austin, Dallas, Miami).

    1. Re:And nothing has changed by MrL0G1C · · Score: 4, Informative

      The HQ2 contest was a scam all along, Bezels has already decided where he wanted to put the new HQs and indeed Bozos already had residences at those 2 new cities not far from where the new HQs will be. It was a ploy by Beelze' to reduce taxes as much as possible and of course it worked.

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    2. Re:And nothing has changed by MrL0G1C · · Score: 5, Informative

      PS
      https://www.charlotteobserver....
      "Amazon.com this month narrowed down 238 applicants for its second headquarters to 20 cities, but experts say it got something even from the losing bidders: A rich trove of information that can benefit the company for years to come."
      "To dozens of cities across the United States, Amazonâ(TM)s widely publicized search for a âoesecond headquartersâ looked like thousands of new jobs, up for grabs. To Pivot co-host Scott Galloway, it now looks like a âoeruse.â

      https://www.recode.net/2018/11...
      "I lease office space all the time for my businesses and I always tell my real estate agent, âWe can lease any office in the world as long as I can walk there from where I live,â(TM)â Galloway said on the latest episode. âoeAmazon is now talking about having three headquarters, Seattle, Crystal City and Long Island City. The Bezosâ(TM)s also own three homes, and the average distance from those three homes to a headquarters is 6.4 miles."

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    3. Re:And nothing has changed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Austin couldn't handle its existing traffic even if we magically tripled the current number of north-south through-lanes.
      Plus, rent prices here are finally starting to level off.

      This post brought to you by the rent is too damn high party.

    4. Re:And nothing has changed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Bezels? Hmm, new name Jeff M. Bezzles.

    5. Re:And nothing has changed by jittles · · Score: 4, Informative

      I had been hoping that Amazon would choose a city that could handle to have a large company like Amazon show up; instead, Amazon picked two cities/regions that already have ridiculous issues with real estate. NYC at least has a semi-functional public transit system, but my understanding with DC is that the metro doesn't stretch out far enough to accommodate most people living in the suburbs, resulting in long commutes. There are a number of cities that would have been a better choice and probably handled Amazon's impact on real estate much better (Atlanta, Austin, Dallas, Miami).

      I see you have never been to Atlanta, Austin, Dallas, or Miami. None of those places have adequate transit, already have terrible traffic, and, in the case of Miami, incredibly expensive real estate. I'm just really glad that my city did not get chosen.

    6. Re:And nothing has changed by TheLongshot · · Score: 1

      Not really truthful. VRE goes out to Manassas and Fredricksburg. The Silver Line is being built out to Dulles. That being said, the system is going to have issues if Amazon is putting that many jobs in Crystal City.

    7. Re:And nothing has changed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The upshot, both VRE and Metro have Crystal City stops. And there is a Pot Belly right there!!! But yaeh for real, it isn't like Metro works well right now. My god the impact of this past weekends shutdown at the airport was insane. I just hope it was worth it. Maybe metro knew something we didn't and that why they're trying so hard to get things done quickly. Couple that with the unified funding from DMV and who know [sigh] ... I know ... we know ... but I can dream.

      I also suspect they'll extend the bus lane up route 1 from Alexandria but that is just a wild guess. They've put in a LOT of new housing along that Rt1 corridor.

      I'm mostly interested to watch the impact of housing in the CC area itself. There is a lot of apartment living there. I suspect there are now plans being finalized to upscale many of them to pull in better rent from Amazon'ers that want to live close to work and the metro into DC. If I owned a complete there I'd be looking to knock down some walls to create larger penthouses.

    8. Re:And nothing has changed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      With you, my city was one of the finalists and traffic here is already shit. We don't need more Amazon, we've already got two of their effing monstrosities of distribution centers. It's like, if you're going to build a building that's literally half a mile long, could you at least put some landscaping around it so we don't have to look at it? And despite one of those warehouses being less than 20 minutes from my house, it still takes 3 days to get anything from them.

    9. Re:And nothing has changed by jittles · · Score: 0

      With you, my city was one of the finalists and traffic here is already shit. We don't need more Amazon, we've already got two of their effing monstrosities of distribution centers. It's like, if you're going to build a building that's literally half a mile long, could you at least put some landscaping around it so we don't have to look at it? And despite one of those warehouses being less than 20 minutes from my house, it still takes 3 days to get anything from them.

      Ha. I bet I can guess where you live. Thanks to those giant monstrosities near you I can get free same day delivery almost 200 miles away from you. Thanks for putting up with this for my benefit.

    10. Re:And nothing has changed by plague911 · · Score: 1

      No serious tech company would move a HQ to "Atlanta, Austin, Dallas, or Miami". They would be laughed at. Top tier talent would never relocate there. Those areas are for cheeping out and maybe getting second or more likely third tier talent.

    11. Re:And nothing has changed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, Mr. Stud-Boy, why don't come on down to Dallas and apply for a high-paying tech job and see what kind of competition you're up against. I think you'd change your tune.

    12. Re:And nothing has changed by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      NYC at least has a semi-functional public transit system,

      It's overcrowded, and it's already getting worse without Amazon. That's not a good argument, either.

      There are a number of cities that would have been a better choice and probably handled Amazon's impact on real estate much better (Atlanta, Austin, Dallas, Miami).

      HaHAHA you're talking about transportation issues and then suggesting Austin? You have no idea what you're on about. Commute traffic there is beyond abominable.

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    13. Re:And nothing has changed by argStyopa · · Score: 2

      The idea that he wasted everyone's time is non-trivial.

      I wonder if there's a reasonably-obvious case for fraud here - with penalties at least for the time / cost of all the various cities and staffs, and (best) if it resulted in a federal block on whatever tax giveaways were offered at those new locations? (Or would that be a Bill of Attainder?)

      I mean, does anyone really believe it's COINCIDENCE his houses are 6 miles from the new locations? Does he have a lot of other houses in other candidate cities?

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    14. Re:And nothing has changed by Isaac-Lew · · Score: 1

      There's no way Amazon was going to put their HQ2 in a red state.

    15. Re:And nothing has changed by Kevin+Stevens · · Score: 1

      I was really hoping they would go to Newark, NJ. You still get access to the NYC talent market. Newark is a town that always seems on the cusp of being reborn, but its been rocky at best. If anything would push it forward, Amazon would. There is tons of under utilized space available there (though I heard they wanted 500k sq ft, newly built and ready to occupy ASAP). I don't know long term how many people would commute from NYC to Newark, but the trains are pretty much empty going in the opposite direction towards Newark out of NYC, this could help even out the commute and ease a bit of the stress on the transit system. Its much more accessible to those wanting to live in both an urban or suburban location with a major major airport nearby, with commercial and residential real estate being much cheaper.

      Its unfortunate and I believe a real missed opportunity for both Amazon and the region. Instead you are cramming in more density on an already overcrowded transit infrastructure in a location that while slightly cheaper than Manhattan proper, is still very expensive and you are effectively land locked there.

    16. Re:And nothing has changed by supercell · · Score: 1

      But Amazon wants to be able to able influence elite's in NYC and DC. That was a huge part of the calculus.

    17. Re:And nothing has changed by theurge14 · · Score: 1

      Austin? We have one metro rail line, a bunch of buses, Mopac and 35 which are clogged from 3:30pm until around 8pm every afternoon. Nah, we good fam.

    18. Re:And nothing has changed by J-1000 · · Score: 1

      "Dallas" (the area) has acceptable traffic. I'm glad they didn't pick here though. When Toyota showed up, real estate prices jumped by 50%. That'd be great if it didn't mean our property taxes did the same thing.

    19. Re:And nothing has changed by jythie · · Score: 1

      I admit I was really hoping for Philly. The city already hosts several large companies so could probably handle one more, but is spread out enough that housing can be gotten for fairly reasonable prices and the heavy rail system is excellent.

    20. Re:And nothing has changed by twebb72 · · Score: 2

      The HQ2 contest was a scam all along, Bezels has already decided where he wanted to put the new HQs and indeed Bozos already had residences at those 2 new cities not far from where the new HQs will be. It was a ploy by Beelze' to reduce taxes as much as possible and of course it worked.

      My thoughts exactly! The choice of NY and DC as your headquarters was clearly a foregone conclusion. They obviously knew before the contest started that these were the locations. You don't move into NY or DC for a tax reasons or for good employees, you do it because you want the influence that comes in having a presence in those areas.

      You want to conquer the world, these locations are your venue.

    21. Re:And nothing has changed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Dang. You are so right.

  5. Maybe Just Make their own city. by wolfheart111 · · Score: 1

    Ooops. ;P

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    1. Re:Maybe Just Make their own city. by bsDaemon · · Score: 1

      eh, the whole of the US will be an Amazon company town soon enough. I don't think it's much hyperbole to suggest that if people could pay mortgage/rent in Amazon gift cards, many people wouldn't need the normal financial system at all. Work at Amazon, get paid in gift cards. Shop only at Whole Foods (just stick to the 360-brand), live in Amazon Apartments that are heated in the winter with the excess heat pumped out of AWS data centers. I mean, why not, right?

      It used to be about every six months I get hit up on LinkedIn for security roles at AWS. It was like a ritual sending the 'not interested' canned response at that point (since moving away from the Balt/Wash area, that's stopped though). I don't think there's any place I'm less interested in working than Amazon, although that doesn't stop me from shopping there (go ahead, call me a hypocrite).

    2. Re:Maybe Just Make their own city. by R3d+M3rcury · · Score: 1
  6. Walking distance to Bezos' homes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    The fix was in. Ha ha if you thought there was an actual competition for the HQ. Should have sold him a new residence first...

    I bet the recipients gave out the full set of perks even though the site was split so they get only half the jobs if that. Tricked again. No wonder that he has billions and they have to lean on the taxpayers again.

    In my own case, a VP moved the whole division 25 miles so he could be closer to his hockey rink. Though in that case, he happened to shorten my commute to 3 miles.

    1. Re:Walking distance to Bezos' homes by sunking2 · · Score: 0

      Because he couldn't possibly be able to afford a new home wherever it was decided to put it. He isn't some VP, he' s the richest man in the world.

    2. Re: Walking distance to Bezos' homes by Type44Q · · Score: 1

      It's a lot easier for the simpletons to assume that, like theirs, Bezos' decisions are made irrationally and emotionally.

  7. Wait wha? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    would cement Northern Virginia's reputation as a magnet for business and potentially reshape the Washington region into an East Coast outpost of Silicon Valley over the next decade.

    Virginia is the original "tech corridor"... there's so much fiber there that even a discount data center gets 25ms ping to NYC. And since when is a wholesale/logistics company considered tech? Why would amazon's piddly half a hind-quarters make any difference?

    1. Re: Wait wha? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      AWS isn't tech?

    2. Re:Wait wha? by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 1

      And since when is a wholesale/logistics company considered tech?

      Amazon makes most of their profit on AWS. They are primarily a cloud-services company. The retailing is just a side business.

    3. Re: Wait wha? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      nope. When I custom built pcs in highschool I wasn't a "tech" company either.

  8. Location, Location, Location! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Some said it was unfair that the company seemed to be considering only sites in more affluent communities.

    Maybe because their employees don't want to live in a ghetto. The same reason the locations on flyover states were never seriously in the running to begin with.

    1. Re: Location, Location, Location! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Property in NYC can be expensive and still awful. In other locations you may be able to pay less for something nicer. However, placing an HQ near other jobs may encourage people to take a job at the HQ as they have other options for work without necessarily needing to move. Personally I would rather live a 45 minute commute and move, rather than a 90 minute commute permanently, but the math does depend on how often you change jobs, kids and age thereof, etc. I just have dogs and space to run about and kibbles are available quite widely

  9. Re: That is a relief! I was afraid they'd pick NH by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    That word... Socialist... I don't think it means what you think it means.

  10. Can we have a science article? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I've found all the missing anti-matter while trying to make hydrogen.

    I need a science article.
    Any chances slashdot?

  11. Re: That is a relief! I was afraid they'd pick NH by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The reason why NYC is expensive is due to capitalism and the high price of real estate caused by a concentration of productive capitalist ventures and bidding up of those property prices, not socialism. If anything the relatively small amount of state intervention (a small amount of rent controlled properties, public transport, some small amount of construction ) tend to marginally reduce the cost of living there. The effect is pretty marginal, though, and NYC is known as one of the foremost engines of capitalism, which has been the case for a century, although more so after the reduction of the influence of corrupt party machines, although cronyism and patronage is not socialism, and occurs in many forms of government, including socialism.

  12. tax revenue ! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No kidding! So are they going to pay this like every other honest citizen or will it be a "special buddies rate" ?

    1. Re:tax revenue ! by forkfail · · Score: 1

      You'll have to ask Governor Amazon Cuomo. Or Make Other People Pay the Bill de Blasio.

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    2. Re:tax revenue ! by b0s0z0ku · · Score: 1

      You complain about DeBlasio, but he did one good thing: rein in the power of the NYPD somewhat. Accepting the consent decree on ending stop and frisk was a good first step. Scaling back marijuana enforcement and quality-of-life enforcement were good second steps. Bloomberg and Giuliani were authoritarian pieces of shit -- it's really a shame that Rudy wasn't in his emergency HQ in WTC when 9/11 hit.

    3. Re:tax revenue ! by forkfail · · Score: 1

      Well, the marijuana enforcement means that me, a non-smoker, has to deal with it in my apartment because there is nothing to stop the neighbors from hot boxing their apartment, which leads it to coming into mine. Great fun in the dead of winter!

      And - I'm sure you'd have loved riding the trains in the 70's-90's. You might have a slightly different opinion of the NYPD if you had.

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    4. Re:tax revenue ! by b0s0z0ku · · Score: 1

      Same as with tobacco smoke, you have remedies in civil court and landlord-tenant court. Or with the co-op/condo board if you happen to own your apartment. It can even be legal and still be a nuisance under civil law.

      I liked NYC in the 90s before Rudy fucked it up, to be honest. Cheaper cost of living, clubs open late, you could walk from one train car to another if someone was being an ass without risking having an NYPD swine give you a fine.

  13. Doesn't matter by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    till they stop conspiring with apple in trying to subvert the right to repair bill

    NO ONE SHOULD HAVE ANY DEALINGS WITH AMAZON

    Left them go broke.

  14. Re: That is a relief! I was afraid they'd pick NH by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Have you ever heard/read a (US) American using any of the words socialist, liberal or fascist correctly? It's all fnord thanks to the Red Scare propaganda burned into the nation's minds. The cost is a large percentage of voters that is unable to distinguish policies that favor a free, open society and democracy from authoritarianism and restricted, closed society.

  15. Not really that easy by MikeRT · · Score: 2

    A huge percentage of the people who have to do that commute don't live anywhere near VRE or DC Metro. For many of us, the time to get to a rail station is a large chunk of the drive.

    "Live closer"

    Ok, we'll get right on that. Nevermind that our area has a fetish for high end, luxury homes that are only affordable if you have dual incomes well over $100k.

    1. Re:Not really that easy by 110010001000 · · Score: 2

      The people working at Amazon are making "well over $100k". And the VRE goes waaay out in the suburbs. Give us a break.

    2. Re:Not really that easy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      10 minutes to the nearest station, 30 on the VRE to Crystal City, another 20 to switch to the metro and head into Arlington. I can still drive faster than that.

    3. Re:Not really that easy by 110010001000 · · Score: 1

      Then go ahead and drive.

    4. Re:Not really that easy by lgw · · Score: 1

      You won't find a house anywhere near Crystal City or that part of Long Island at all affordable if your family income is "merely" one job in the 100s. These are two of themost expensive areas in the US. They are the kind of places where a guy worth $50B buys a house, not the kind of places where the peasants can live.

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    5. Re:Not really that easy by b0s0z0ku · · Score: 1

      You'd be wrong, though ... you can easily buy a 2-bedroom apartment on that kind of income or even a house in parts of Queens. Jamaica, Briarwood, etc, etc.

    6. Re:Not really that easy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You think the DC Metro works?

      Oooh, boy, that's funny.

    7. Re:Not really that easy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There is a VRE station in Crystal City within walking distance of the proposed site. The bigger problem with the VRE is capacity. They are already crowded with ~10,000 daily passengers.

  16. The metro doesn't come even close by MikeRT · · Score: 1

    but my understanding with DC is that the metro doesn't stretch out far enough to accommodate most people living in the suburbs

    It really doesn't. Loudoun and PWC have essentially no service, and we are very much DC suburbs. When the post-9/11 increase happened, no one in government really planned and so we now have a totally avoidable catastrophe in terms of public transportation.

    Irony is, the situation was under control in 2001 to 2005 to such an extent that they could have brought metro rail all the way down rt 28, 66, etc. because real estate was so much cheaper back then.

    1. Re: The metro doesn't come even close by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Let's be fair though: those aren't suburbs, they are exurbs.

  17. Cost to Taxpayers = BILLIONS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Of course, Taxpayers are on the hook now for subsidizing a multi-billionaire with billions more in handouts.

    When are we going to stop this nonsense? Weren't Cuomo and DiBlasio supposed to end this kind of corporate quid pro quo with government? These tax abatements NEVER work out in the end. Just look at the Republican handouts to FoxConn in Wisconsin. Only after the State signs a check for $8 BILLION does Foxconn come back and say "oh we were just kidding about the 100,000 jobs. It's actually only 250 plus 99,750 robots. But, thanks for the cash!"

    Can we please have some REAL progressives for a change? Real progressives would never hand out the working peoples' money to multi-billionaires.

    1. Re:Cost to Taxpayers = BILLIONS by forkfail · · Score: 1

      Ah, variant number 2 on the old "socialism hasn't ever worked because we've never done it right" argument.

      Pro Tip: All the "real" socialists become de Blasio clones when they get some actual power. Has always gone that way, and always will.

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  18. Thank Seattle's City Council by SmaryJerry · · Score: 0

    Seattle was making rediculous and unpredictable moves on taxes. First trying to implement a "big company tax" that applied to mostly just Amazon employees, then a sugary drink tax, all while raising current tax rates on everyone and only using the money to attract more homeless into the city. Amazon even cancelled two planned buildings thanks to them. Seattle can kiss hundreds of millions of tax dollars and thousands of good jobs good bye thanks to their horrible city management. Expect to see the rest of the Amazon HQ move away from Seattle at some point.

    1. Re:Thank Seattle's City Council by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Seattle can kiss hundreds of millions of tax dollars and thousands of good jobs good bye thanks to their horrible city management.

      While that's probably true, it has little to do with Amazon. Amazon was only offering a small handful of good jobs, and a bunch of crap ones. That's much of the point of their business model, they only need a relatively small number of skilled employees.

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  19. That explains everything by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I new Arlington had been selected a a month ago when all of the tenants in my office park in Crystal City received notices of intent to terminate their leases. Apparently Amazon is buying it - or at least attempting to buy it.

    Unfortunately there's a small snag. The current owners seem to have forgotten that they sold 1/3 of the park to me 10 years ago when I started my company here, so they served me with a notice of intent to terminate a lease that doesn't exist, and are apparently trying to sell Amazon a business park they don't own.

    We'll see how that works out for them.

    1. Re:That explains everything by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, you "new" that. I am sure they forgot they sold $20 million in office space to you too. Those silly people.

    2. Re:That explains everything by aicrules · · Score: 1

      I mean if this was true that'd be a pretty big coup for you...look forward to seeing the story break in the next couple weeks.

    3. Re:That explains everything by SmaryJerry · · Score: 1

      Everything is true, they already cancelled the construction of two new office buildings in Seattle, that's already hundreds of millions in lost taxes. Obviously Amazon won't be moving their HQ fully out of Seattle until the two new HQs are built and up and running for 5-10 years.

    4. Re:That explains everything by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Apologies for my error. I have ALS and use a voice recognition system to drive the computer. I don't always catch when it uses the wrong spelling of a homophone.

    5. Re:That explains everything by aicrules · · Score: 1

      I'm referring to the post I replied to.

  20. Crystal City = Pentagon by DirkDaring · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Going after military money, makes sense to me.

  21. Who had the best promotional package? by gyp+casino · · Score: 1

    Philadelphia, Pittsburgh, or Atlanta would have met Amazon's criteria better, but I hypothesize the local governments in those cities are dysfunctional enough that they couldn't effectively market themselves to Amazon executives. It sounds like New York City and Crystal City actively worked to impress Amazon.

    1. Re:Who had the best promotional package? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Pittsburgh and Phili are holes in the ground compared to most other cities. Pennsylvania is best avoided for any serious business venture.

  22. Yeah by Ryanrule · · Score: 1

    It really looks like they picked places where their executives can buy their big dumb house. The rank and file can commute for 3 hours, or go 6 guys to a 2 bed.

    1. Re:Yeah by rnturn · · Score: 1

      I've been waiting for this big "ho hum" of an announcement since that ridiculous "competition" began---(i.e., politicians debasing themselves to win the temporary favor of a megacorporation). This whole circus was akin to competing to host the Olympics. A lot of cities dodged a bullet.

      The news this morning was reporting an average $104K for the new employees. That average is likely pretty heavily skewed to that level by the executives' salaries who'll be working in the new locations---no word on what the Average Joe is going to be paid and how they'll be able to afford the cost of living in NYC and Crystal City.

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    2. Re:Yeah by Ryanrule · · Score: 1

      hot bunking, not just for navy guys anymore.

    3. Re:Yeah by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      $104K is actually the low end of average in that area. It's not as bad as SF/SV where that's literally the poverty line, but the pay is generally quite high here. I'm guessing their AWS executives trying to cloudify the banks or the entertainment execs are going to be the very high end, but I'm sure there will be plenty of ordinary-worker jobs right around that number.

    4. Re:Yeah by Chissblue · · Score: 1

      Confirmed. Living in D.C. hasn't been fun or affordable since the 1990's. It's normal for people to commute from Winchester VA, Frederick MD, or even West Virgina. The Bay Bridge has a 40+ mile backup nearly year round on the weekends. People are too beat up to want to go anywhere on the weekends and it's reflected on how unfriendly and sad everyone is.

  23. Gosh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The WSJ was reporting the same thing last week. But I suppose the lefty editors here don't read that. According to them, most "deals" with cities on tax rebates are step functions. That is, when employment reaches X, Y% rebate or tax relief is applied. Given this sensible approach, the media complaining of the change in rules don't know what the fuck their talking about. As far as it being unfair that slums were not seriously considered, nor were areas with high unemployment, crime, or low average educational attainment, I'd reckon. What a surprise! People don't want to work in the pits. News indeed.

  24. Lucky them by DrXym · · Score: 1

    Now they can have billions of tax dollars siphoned off as economic incentives and tax breaks to Amazon. At some point it will dawn on them that the economic benefits are nowhere to be seen, their politics have been corrupted beyond all recognition, and the poverty gap is wider than ever. After they've been bled dry Amazon will decide it wants to build its headquarters somewhere else and the cycle will repeat.

    1. Re:Lucky them by link-error · · Score: 1

          Amazon changed the terms of the deal. I would revoke the incentives entirely... Jeff offered to take 50% of the offers.. how nice of him.

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  25. Beszos Homes Within 6mi of HQs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There was NEVER a competition. Remember how much your local and State governments wasted on the supposed competition. Thats money they cant spend on hospitals, education, or roads.

    Fuck Beszos and his lies.

    Amazon needs to be broken up for freedom to survive.

    Fuck Beszos and his fraud.

  26. One thing is for sure... by MiniMike · · Score: 1

    New York Mayor Bill de Blasio (D) and Gov. Andrew M. Cuomo (D), who had joked that he would change his name to "Amazon Cuomo" if necessary to land the prize.

    deBlasio would have been safe making that joke- I'm pretty sure Amazon would leave him with the Bill.

  27. Affluent Communities by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Some said it was unfair that the company seemed to be considering only sites in more affluent communities. "

    Makes sense that one of the benefits of working at Amazon isn't getting shot on your way to work.

  28. yes but that's okay by goombah99 · · Score: 1

    It's perfectly legitimate for an employee to negotiate a raise when they have offers from other companies. Likewise it's perfectly fine for Amazon to ask for tax breaks and to shop around for a better deal before accepting the offer of the city they most prefer.

    It's not a scam. It's negotiating from strength.

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  29. Missed opportunity: Riker's Island by b0s0z0ku · · Score: 3, Informative

    NYC is planning to close the Riker's Island prison. Close it, sell it to Amazon, make it HQ2. It already has housing pre-built and a fence to keep the techbros from wandering into the water. What's not to like?

    1. Re:Missed opportunity: Riker's Island by forkfail · · Score: 2

      Just put a door desk in every cell. Perfect fit for Amazon culture!

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    2. Re:Missed opportunity: Riker's Island by twebb72 · · Score: 1

      ...Riker's Island prison. Close it, sell it to Amazon, make it HQ2... What's not to like?

      Minimum wage laws.

    3. Re:Missed opportunity: Riker's Island by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      LaGuardia.

    4. Re: Missed opportunity: Riker's Island by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Good this was modded up, but this was FUNNY, not informative... geesh

  30. For employees, yes, for company, no by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

    Yes those are indeed horrible places to live.

    However what they are is very good lobbying positions so Amazon can grow unchecked, regardless of whatever theater mask rests atop the massive all-consuming blob that is government.

    Glad I didn't bet against Amazon!

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    1. Re:For employees, yes, for company, no by lgw · · Score: 1

      Well, Crystal City is clearly lobbyist country. Long Island not so much. The fact that both are within 7 miles of JeffB's houses says it all. Heck, he couldn't even decide on one of them, and went with "build me an HQ near each of my houses".

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  31. Re:yes but that's NOT okay by forkfail · · Score: 5, Interesting

    But it's not perfectly fine for Cuomo and de Blasio to give said tax breaks.

    NYC is if not the highest, then close to the highest taxed city in the nation.

    We have a federal, a state, and a city graduated income tax. And believe you me, everything else has a tax or a fee here.

    Amazon is going to put significant load on the city. Rents are going to go up, the MTA will be further overloaded.

    They want to be at the center of the financial world, fine. Let them pay the taxes everybody else pays.

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  32. Storms by sjbe · · Score: 1

    Also, Northern Virginia and Long Island are nearly 300 miles apart. They are not both going to be hit by one storm.

    Not true. Hurricanes are routinely wide enough to hit both locations at the same time. Average diameter of a hurricane is around 300 miles. And it would be quite possible for a storm to hit DC and then move north to NYC.

    1. Re:Storms by EvilSS · · Score: 1

      It's where the eye wall and the zone around it go that you have to worry about, and those are almost always under 100 miles.

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    2. Re:Storms by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Define the word "hit"? If you are talking about rain which is NOT storm but rather a remnant, then yes; otherwise, no.

  33. And Bezels should be Charged by mykepredko · · Score: 1

    I'm guessing that your device changed "Bezos" to "Bezels" - stupid autocorrect.

    As for the idea that the location(s) were predetermined, shouldn't this be investigated by state/federal authorities for offering a deceptive tender? A lot of people went through a lot of work to put in bids that would never have been considered seriously.

    1. Re:And Bezels should be Charged by MrL0G1C · · Score: 1

      The level of concrete evidence would need to be higher, doesn't matter if it's blindingly obvious.

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  34. Crystal City has historically high vacancy rates by Koreantoast · · Score: 1

    The neighborhood that Amazon chose, Crystal City, has a very high rate of commercial vacancies. It used to host a large number of Federal employees and related Federal contractors, but between Federal Base Realignment and Closure (BRAC) and dispersal of the Federal government post-9/11, a lot of office buildings have stood empty. Given that it's at a unique junction of multiple Metro stations and the VRE Heavy Rail, it should be able to absorb at least the initial waves without infrastructure upgrades. Long run however, they're going to have to make some additional upgrades to reach the full 25,000.

  35. Re: That is a relief! I was afraid they'd pick NH by forkfail · · Score: 1

    Oh, my. This is hilarious!

    We have three income taxes (city, state, federal), sales tax, property tax, fees on everything imaginable.

    Rent control and stabilization has just become part of the cesspool of corruption that spans government and the housing/rental industry. The government sets the rent increases, controls how many buildings can be built - all to keep the prices high. Landlords get rich, politicians get re-elected. But don't even try to tell me that the free market is at work in this thing. Nobody who actually lives here believes that for a second.

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  36. Who cares? by fabriciom · · Score: 1

    Why is this news?

  37. re: commuter rail by King_TJ · · Score: 2

    This is the truth! I live in Brunswick, MD (origin point for the "Brunswick line" for the MARC commuter rail line in Maryland). CSX constantly does anything in its power to disrupt the MARC and make it appear the lines are overcrowded. Since I live about a block from the train yard, I can tell when pretty much every train passes through. And it's quite common that there will be no train coming through for hours at a time, but during the time window when the MARC runs? Mysteriously, they have all of this freight rail traffic too, and have to make the MARC wait behind a freight train.

    To CSX, commuter rail is simply a nuisance that creates more scheduling hassles for them.

    Ideally, they'd build another set of tracks that the MARC could use exclusively, or at least in some kind of shared agreement with CSX where MARC gets priority on them. But the last time I saw this proposed, the funding was never approved (after some haggling and debate that led to a watered down proposal of adding an extra track only between a few communities in the DC suburbs like Gaithersburg and Rockville).

  38. NYC is fine but so are other places by sjbe · · Score: 2

    NYC has its advantages...

    Of course it does. That many people don't live there by accident.

    (a) culture, theater, etc

    You think these things don't exist elsewhere? NYC has great options to be sure but so do pretty much every other large city in the US. Folks from NYC like to imagine they have options nobody else has which simply isn't true. I live in the midwest and can be in a world class art museum within 60 minutes of leaving my house. My metro area has opera, playhouses, excellent museums, major universities, outstanding restaurants,

    (b) public university is cheap, like cheaper than the UC system and great. Many of the CUNY schools have affiliations with research institutions, so it's easy for undergrads to do research

    There are public universities that are reasonably affordable in most states. CUNY is a pretty good deal though.

    (c) you can walk or take public transit most places. Your kids can be independent, not dependent on a car or having someone to pick them up

    Needing a car sometimes to get around does not preclude independence. If you are being fair, having to depend on public transit to get around has some pretty serious limitations too, especially in the US. I live in a small town with a walkable downtown, restaurants, shopping and parks. I also have 16,000 acres of public park within a 10 mile radius of my house with every outdoor activity you can imagine and which NYC residents could only dream of. People from NYC like to think Central Park is something special but compared to what I have access to here in the Midwest it's a sad ugly joke. They only think it's amazing because Manhattan is so disgusting otherwise. Don't get me wrong, NYC can be a great place but living elsewhere is definitely not limiting.

    (d) a lot of really interesting people -- diversity is a good thing.

    True and I like the diversity too but having a lot of people (quantity) is both a positive and a negative. Personally I like living somewhere a little less over crowded and quieter. Your mileage may vary of course. I live near a major college town which gets the same benefits of diversity without the massive overcrowding.

    1. Re:NYC is fine but so are other places by b0s0z0ku · · Score: 1

      Not needing a car is a HUGE increase in independence for YOUR KIDS, who can't drive, though. They can walk themselves to school after age 10 or so, take public transit to/from high school and after-school events.

      Fair point about limitations of public transit in the US: also one of the reasons why I'd probably want to live somewhere outside the US if not in NYC.

      As far as parkland, if you're talking about a 10-15 miles radius of NYC, we probably do have 16,000 acres of parkland. NYC isn't only Manhattan, and parks aren't only Central Park...

  39. Strange way to promote by sjbe · · Score: 1

    It sounds like New York City and Crystal City actively worked to impress Amazon.

    They accomplished this by being within a few miles of where Jeff Bezos already had purchased homes apparently.

  40. Re:yes but that's NOT okay by goombah99 · · Score: 1

    I'm sure NYC acted in it's own best interests. It's a complex set of things to balance.

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  41. Dear Jeff, by nagora · · Score: 2

    Go fuck yourself.

    Thanks.

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  42. Sincere thanks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    For not selecting Atlanta. Have a nice life!

    1. Re:Sincere thanks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That was very interesting actually...I thought Atlanta was a lock just because of how many megacorps are either headquartered there or have massive operations there -- and how much the state/city would just give them. The traffic is horrendous already but executives fly to work in the helicopter.

  43. Re:yes but that's NOT okay by forkfail · · Score: 2

    Well - certainly the politicians acted in their own best interests. NYC politicians are really, really good at that.

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  44. I'm actually surprised by ErichTheRed · · Score: 1

    I live outside of NYC and I'm totally shocked. I'm sure they had to give the store away (ha ha) in terms of tax abatements and other giveaways, and that isn't New York's strong suit. From my experience, NY loses large corporate headquarters to North Carolina, Texas, Georgia and other states because those states will do anything to attract them. Even if the executive HQ doesn't move there, they'll make a deal to move the "support campus" to Dallas or Atlanta and suck out thousands of decent mid-level jobs. The execs get to stay in NY while all the regular workers have to move or lose their jobs, and the places accepting the workers will build roads, provide free electricity and gas, construct buildings, not charge taxes for decades, whatever it takes. It's definitely not a fair fight when you're talking about run-of-the-mill employees. There's so much free space in any of the places I've mentioned that they could build out millions of square feet with thousands of parking spaces. The execs can live in their gated communities and send their kids to private schools, etc.

    I'm sure we'll never find out the full extent of the giveaway, but NYC is really trying to gentrify Long Island City. Back when the city had industry, there were a ton of factories and other manufacturing support items like reasonably-priced housing there. I'm assuming part of the deal is to arrange for the construction of a "techbro fortress" and a few square blocks of luxury apartments around it, especially since there's a huge housing project right near where they're going.

    I'm happy to see a company for once understanding that moving to a high-tax high-cost area might actually be a good thing in terms of employee quality, education, etc. But, it's going to be a hard sell for anyone who isn't young, hip, single and willing to shell out huge bucks for rent/housing. Getting to LIC even from Long Island is a bit rough right now because the public transportation that exists right now is totally jam-packed. Moving the people off the 7 train once the LIRR goes into Grand Central will help, but even 25,000 new employees will add a lot of riders to an already busy system.

  45. Amazon's Decision Tree by PackMan97 · · Score: 1

    Q? Where does Bezos have other homes? A: DC and NYC. HQ2 Location: Pick someplace within 10 miles of the Bezos' house!

    1. Re:Amazon's Decision Tree by PackMan97 · · Score: 1

      It's also worth noting that Amazon has been wanting to get into the financial business for awhile. NYC makes sense for that. Breaking into the government and defense industry is a huge plus for DC, not to mention the government is the single biggest threat to Amazon's business right now.

    2. Re:Amazon's Decision Tree by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Really high-powered execs will just take the helicopter to work. So while it may be a factor, I doubt it was the only one.

    3. Re:Amazon's Decision Tree by b0s0z0ku · · Score: 1

      Good luck siting a new heliport anywhere in NYC.

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  47. 5,000 Corporate jobs in Nashville by spudnic · · Score: 2

    "In addition, Amazon announced that it has selected Nashville for a new Center of Excellence for its Operations business, which is responsible for the companyâ(TM)s customer fulfillment, transportation, supply chain, and other similar activities. The Operations Center of Excellence in Nashville will create more than 5,000 jobs with an average wage of over $150,000."

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  48. Re: That is a relief! I was afraid they'd pick NH by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Just because there are fees on things doesn't mean it is primarily capitalistic, because capitalistic is what it is. The fact that things like rent controls may be handled corruptly doesn't make them socialist as corrupt practices occur under a wide variety of political systems as greed and the exercise of power occurs all across the world. However, rent controls such as they are (and they don't cover much these days) still act to take the edge of property prices. Given the limited scope, though, I'd be surprised if it is a much as 1%.

    With perfect competition, information and relatively unlimited resources and level demand then you would expect capitalism to deliver lower living costs. In reality, geography is a limited resource, but money is currently not particularly limited because interest rates are low, so given demand for jobs this drives demand for the limited resource of geography - houses near work or methods to access it such as road and rail (I suppose you could commute to Manhattan by yacht) with the money available to pay for it. You couldn't get much more classically market driven than that.

  49. Bad news for these two cities by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They will come, demand tax breaks, give close to nothing, and suck any possible resource their way.
    As a Newyorker I am very worried.

    1. Re:Bad news for these two cities by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Now imagine how badly professional sports teams have been fucking your citizens.

  50. Any Questions???? by ElitistWhiner · · Score: 1

    HQ:2 NYC - EMPIRE STATE holds most world corporate headquarters; capitalism capitol
    HQ:2.1 DC - CAPITAL of US

  51. Public transit vs independence by sjbe · · Score: 2

    Not needing a car is a HUGE increase in independence for YOUR KIDS, who can't drive, though.

    It really isn't. Where I live children can walk to their friends houses, quite a few can walk to school, they can walk most areas of our town, the movie theater, and they can easily get rides places even if I'm not there to provide them. I'm not really sure how you think they are being limited without the sort of public transit available in NYC. Sure they need cars sometimes too but this is hardly some huge crimp on their lifestyle. I went to college on the east coast not far from NYC and I've spent lots of time in other cities like Chicago with good public transit so I've seen it all first hand. Good public transit is great but it really wouldn't be a game changer with regard to lifestyle for my daughter.

    They can walk themselves to school after age 10 or so, take public transit to/from high school and after-school events.

    It's absolutely routine for children to carpool where I live and in many cases they can walk where they need to go. School buses transfer them to/from home. I think you are making it out to be more of an advantage than it really is and I speak from first hand experience.

    As far as parkland, if you're talking about a 10-15 miles radius of NYC, we probably do have 16,000 acres of parkland.

    No you most certainly do not and most of what you do have is scattered about and barely would qualify as a park in the sense of what I'm talking about. Literally a quarter mile from my door I have a 4000 acre park (central park is 840 acres for comparison) with a nature center, 18 hole golf course, discgolf course, two beaches, a water park, an 8 mile multipurpose trail, 30 miles of hiking an equestrian trails, a working farm park, boat rentals, camping, cross country skiing, ice skating in winter, dozens of pavilions, picnic areas, fitness courses, animal rehabilitation center, a toboggan/sledding hill, horseback riding, boat docks, fishing, and more. Plus this 4000 acre park is contiguous with 2 other similar sized parks via trails and roads. There is nothing even remotely similar within 20 miles of Manhattan.

    Now to be fair, I don't have much in the way of restaurants open 24/7, I have shitty public transit options when they exist at all, I do have to drive quite a lot, getting stuff delivered is a pain, and there are certain conveniences of living in a dense urban area. Nothing is perfect in every way. We have better parks but worse conveniences. We have bigger/nicer homes for much less money but have to go further to get where we want to go. Tradeoffs...

    1. Re:Public transit vs independence by b0s0z0ku · · Score: 1

      Carpool/bus = still dependent on a vehicle, and not getting the exercise/independence that they'd get from making their own way to/from school. The opportunity and flexibility created by a public transit system are great -- many HS kids actually can get to things like after-school research jobs at universities, tech firms, or hospitals without a car.

      Similar parks? I'll raise you South Mountain Reservation in NJ, within the 20-mile radius of which you speak. Also, Palisades Park goes up the Hudson directly across from NYC along the NY/NJ state line. A little further up north is Bear Mountain Park...

    2. Re:Public transit vs independence by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Similar parks? I'll raise you South Mountain Reservation in NJ, within the 20-mile radius of which you speak. Also, Palisades Park goes up the Hudson directly across from NYC along the NY/NJ state line. A little further up north is Bear Mountain Park...

      Attempting to equate parks in states along the northeast US coast to parks in the central US is simply doomed to failure. I've seen what the east and west coast people label as "parks" and they are simply laughable compared to parks in the central US.

    3. Re:Public transit vs independence by PrimaryConsult · · Score: 1

      As someone who grew up in NYC as a kid, you're still undervaluing the independence its public transit grants. On weekends I would go from my apartment in the middle of nowhere, NYC with a couple of friends to as far as Philadelphia on day trips. Day at the beach? Go to the Rockaways, the Jersey Shore or Long Beach, all accessible by train. Want to go to a shopping mall with cheaper sales tax? The PATH a quick hop across the river to Newport Mall will do it (back then $1 fare, almost always saved more on sales tax to make that an essentially free trip). Virtually any eating establishment desired could be reached: diners, pizza joints, all fast food places, iHop, White Castle. The subway and buses were free for most high school students until ~7PM on weekdays, which made this perfect.

      When college hunting my friends and I just did the campus tours ourselves, no parents.

      The end result was while most suburbanites had their first taste of true freedom in college, those of us from NYC had been free since the first day of middle school.

  52. Thankful they didn't pick Indy! by robkeeney · · Score: 1

    I'm glad that they're going someplace that's already ruined by coastal liberals so they won't "Californicate" anywhere else!

    1. Re:Thankful they didn't pick Indy! by b0s0z0ku · · Score: 1

      Amazon was never based in California.

    2. Re:Thankful they didn't pick Indy! by robkeeney · · Score: 1

      No shit, sherlock! That's why Californicate is in quotes. You don't have to be from California to Californicate a nice place like Colorado or Arizona.

  53. CIA Bezos :) getting paid by YOU the taxpayer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Setting up shop right in the CIA's backyard. How nice of him :)

    Operation mockingbird technique 1: Show out rage from new yorkers, while deflecting attention from the CIA base in virginia. Make sure the focal point of media attention is NOT Virginia, but New Yorkers.

    Operation mockingbird technique 2: Make sure the subject of Amazon baking itself right into CIA headquarters is not talked about AT ALL in the fully controlled CIA media.

  54. Re: That is a relief! I was afraid they'd pick NH by forkfail · · Score: 1

    No, government taxes, by any name - be it income tax or usage fee or levy or whatever - absolutely do tend to indicate a socialist system when everything that is done, traded, sold, observed, ate, drank, driven, lived on or in, or used in any way, has a fee or tax or levy associated with it.

    The entire rent control system and borough rent control boards are as socialist as it gets. They actually wind up driving rents up artificially, as the market can't play.

    Too, there is this concept here that the government, at some level or anther, has to have a hand in on every. single. detail. of. life. Again, socialist.

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  55. Re:THIS HAS BEEN KNOWN FOR OVER A WEEK GNAA by lgw · · Score: 2

    GNAA Post

    You fail it. You will never troll as hard as Amazon trolled 20 cities with their HQ2 "selection" con game. It is the most epic troll of my lifetime. The cities were obviously chosen ahead of time.

    If you doubt that, consider the following: JeffB has 3 houses. Amazon will have 3 HQs. The average distance between a HQ and a JeffB house will be 6-7 miles (depending on exact location). The whole thing was a con game to bilk the cities.

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  56. Re:yes but that's NOT okay by Solandri · · Score: 1

    I'm sure NYC acted in it's own best interests. It's a complex set of things to balance.

    No it didn't operate in its own best interests. Having a different tax rate Amazon negotiated for itself is inherently unfair to other businesses operating in the city. If a city thinks it can get a net tax increase if they can attract Amazon by offering it a lower tax rate, then that exact same reasoning applies to all businesses, not just Amazon. And "their own best interest" would be to lower the tax rate for everyone. Lots of small businesses would then set up in NYC instead of elsewhere, providing it more tax revenue. Lowering tax rates for Amazon while keeping them high for other businesses is either an admission that their high tax rates lower net tax revenue from other businesses, or that they're unfairly giving preferential treatment to Amazon.

    Everyone loves to complain about the 1% lobbying for tax loopholes which reduce their overall tax burden. This is the exact same thing. Every business operating in a city should have to pay the same tax rates.

  57. NY taxpayers to pay $48,000 per job by schwit1 · · Score: 1

    http://www.fox5ny.com/news/48k...

    According to Amazon, the cost per job for New York taxpayers is $48,000, compared to $22,000 for Virginia and $13,000 for Tennessee.

  58. Crystal City for the JEDI Contract? by vix86 · · Score: 1

    Another possible reason for the Crystal City pick is because of a major contract the Pentagon is trying hammer out. Its a $10 Billion contract that's aiming to move large portions of the military systems (Administrative stuff I'm guessing) into the cloud. A number of companies are competing for it right now but the contract is a "winner takes all" type so it can't be broken into a series of sub-contracts and doled out to smaller businesses. This means the winner is likely to be a big player such as Google, Microsoft, Amazon, or maybe Cisco(?).

    What better way to improve your odds of scoring the contract than to have one of your HQs just "across the street" from the Pentagon?

  59. This! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sadly, I'm completely out of mod points today.

  60. Bad news for the education systems of everywhere by McLae · · Score: 1
    They split because they could not find 50K educated/motivated/competent workers in one location.

    Which says the schools are not producing folks who can work at headquarters.

    Stick your head in the sand, vote down taxes that support schools, teach to the test to meet some arbitrary number, and here we are.

  61. then vote them out? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    it's your choice who you elect.

    1. Re:then vote them out? by forkfail · · Score: 1

      Now, that is kinda funny.

      Two points: first, you don't understand political machines, and two, furthering their interests often means selling a bill of goods that gets a politician elected.

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    2. Re: then vote them out? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're also talking about a place that elected Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez Incompetent. The 29 yo idiot bartender that thinks money just pops in to existence.

  62. Re:yes but that's NOT okay by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    With all of those taxes, it seems like NYC and NY will greatly benefit from all those high paying new Amazon jobs.

  63. Re: That is a relief! I was afraid they'd pick NH by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    http://lmgtfy.com/?q=socialism+definition
    > socialism
    > noun
    > a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.

    No further comment

  64. Winners and losers by beep54 · · Score: 1

    Obviously, the winning cities in this massive corporate shake-down are the cities that did NOT get chosen.

  65. How about this? by MikeRT · · Score: 1

    The people working at Amazon are making "well over $100k". And the VRE goes waaay out in the suburbs. Give us a break.

    1. One person making well over $100k is not dual incomes well over $100k, as in both partners/spouses each making well over $100k. Husband makes $150k-$160k, but wife makes $50k as a school teacher? Not going to work well.

    2. Try getting to the VRE in Manassas at 7:30-8:00. It's not going to be a pleasant commute, particularly if you have to take 66 part of the way there.

    3. VRE doesn't do a damn thing for Loudoun folks.

    1. Re: How about this? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      See. People on / that dont actually have to deal with regional rail systems dont get all the issues with them. Delays getting to the rail. Crowding getting on the damn thing. The inevitable mechanical issues that delay trains hours or get them outright canceled. The sheer number of hours you spend getting to/from work. Sometimes you have to take a bus to a train then transfer to another train. The cost of it all. Being a slave to train/bus schedules. Etc.

      You can always tell who actually commutes and who just does Google searches.

  66. Re: yes but that's NOT okay by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yeah, higher paying jobs puts a strain on a city. If cities cannot scale that is not the product of a productive business. That is a product of mismanagement. If you dont want to live in an area with a good economy then move to the sticks.

  67. Re: Heil! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sign me up. Heil Hitler.

    NY is full of jewggers and sand monkeys. Coincidence?

  68. Re: That is a relief! I was afraid they'd pick NH by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Have you ever heard/read a (US) American using any of the words socialist, liberal or fascist correctly?

    You should have mentioned "Nazi". I keep seeing that word a lot the last couple of years and it's more incorrectly used than any of these.

  69. Re: yes but that's NOT okay by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Most small businesses offer physical services within their locality. You can't realistically expect a five person plumbing concern in Arkansas to operate from NYC. Perhaps it could officially headquarter itself there, but the cost of setting that up for a small concern is likely to exceed tax savings.

    For businesses offering services that do not need locality, the cost of additional wages to attract people to NYC might well exceed tax savings, especially during initial growth periods when profits are low. The flip side to that is the available pool of skills, but you can't necessarily rely on firms cannibalising each other as an engine of growth unless the survivors increase their overall revenue at the same time.

  70. Re:yes but that's NOT okay by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The media is reporting around 25,000 jobs at an average salary of 150,000 in Arlington. That's on the low end for this area (really!). If housing prices go up, it's not Amazon's fault but greedy real estate investors creating an artificial shortage.

  71. ummm, are proving my point? by goombah99 · · Score: 1

    You're also talking about a place that elected Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez Incompetent. The 29 yo idiot bartender that thinks money just pops in to existence.

    Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez opposes the Queens Amazon. Didn't you just prove my point?

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