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FDA Seeks Ban On Menthol Cigarettes To Fight Teen Smoking (npr.org)
The Food and Drug Administration announced Thursday that it will seek a ban on the sale of menthol-flavored cigarettes. From a report: The announcement came as the agency officially released a detailed plan to also restrict the sale of flavored electronic cigarettes. It also wants to ban flavored cigars. In a statement, FDA Commissioner Scott Gottlieb says the moves are aimed at fighting smoking among young people. Flavored e-cigarettes, menthol-flavored tobacco cigarettes and flavored cigars are all popular among teenagers. "Today, I'm pursuing actions aimed at addressing the disturbing trend of youth nicotine use and continuing to advance the historic declines we've achieved in recent years in the rates of combustible cigarette use among kids," Gottlieb says.
While cigarette smoking has hit a record low in the United States, vaping has been skyrocketing. That trend has raised concerns that a new generation of young people will become addicted to nicotine. Gottlieb says the moves were prompted by new data showing a 78 percent increase in e-cigarette use among high school students and a 48 percent increase among middle school students, from 2017 to 2018. "These data shock my conscience," Gottlieb says.
While cigarette smoking has hit a record low in the United States, vaping has been skyrocketing. That trend has raised concerns that a new generation of young people will become addicted to nicotine. Gottlieb says the moves were prompted by new data showing a 78 percent increase in e-cigarette use among high school students and a 48 percent increase among middle school students, from 2017 to 2018. "These data shock my conscience," Gottlieb says.
Ferguson, round 2.
Here's a modest proposal: Ban all tobacco products completely.
The argument against smoking is that it pollutes the air of non-smokers and affects their health. What's the issue now? I don't want ass flavored vapes, I moved away from smoking for a reason. Nicotine is so bad and yet you let people drink and push way more addicting medications. If I wanted a nanny, I would have hired one.
Really? I suspect it has nothing to do with teens smoking. Also, teenagers usually go for the taboo stuff first, if only to show off a sense of independence to their peers. If it isn't smoking, it'd likely be something else. Besides, teenagers have been smoking weed for nearly a century now, and at least on a recreational basis, that stuff is illegal as hell for kids to partake of.
Sometimes I wish that statists would just say outright what they want to do - it's not like eliminating smoking is a bad goal, and for once the honesty would be refreshing.
Quo usque tandem abutere, Nimbus, patientia nostra?
Fuck you, if they think they will take my Newports they better prepare for a fight. How about the parents you know... BE PARENTS!! Wtf is with people and their need to control what others do.
JUST TRY 2 SEPARAET THIS NIGA FROM HIS NAWPORTS!
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I spend a lot of time around teen smokers. "Menthol" doesn't seem to be the big draw. Unless I'm missing some "huffing eucalyptus" trend.
and I'll go back to Marlboros.
I liked them better, anyways.
Just another way to keep the black man down.
On a related note, if flavored tobacco is bad because youth find them appealing, when are wine coolers, flavored liquor and all but the blandest beer getting a ban?
This should be an easy situation for the Republicans to take a stand against, because menthol cigarettes are popular in the Black community. And it's a clear infringement on the Pursuit of Happiness.
Nicotine itself is not all that harmful. So we should be pushing people towards vaping rather than against everything, moral crusaders be damned.
Is that even still a thing? Smoking was already deeply uncool when I was a teen fifteen years ago.
The supposed worry is that kids will become addicted to nicotine.
But that was never a health issue, the other aspects of smoking cigarettes are what lead to lung cancer, not the nicotine itself.
If you remove vaping, what will happen is kids will go back to cigarettes. How is that better??
Vaping has been amazingly helping in getting people OFF cigarettes and the FDA wants to un-spool all that benefit...
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
Kanye & Trump corner the menthol vape market in 3.. 2.. 1...
That'll solve eveything and won't fuck with the rest of us.
And their much decreased deaths from Chinese poisoned fentanyl fakeheroin. Facts and human lives obviously dont matter to you..
you're being modded into oblivion because you're doing to other people what you're accusing them of doing to you.
Self-righteous people use children as an excuse to deprive adults of their freedom
Fact check: The ACLU got most of the involuntary commitments released nationwide, then Reagan closed the empty loonie bins in California.
The ACLU wasn't wrong. 'Mental health' was used as a police state mechanism by many of the worst governments of the 19th and 20th centuries. Including the USA. The exceptions are nations that didn't bother with the pretense (e.g. Cambodia under Pol Pot).
John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'
i have personally seen kids get in to tobacco because of vaping, as they get addicted to the nicotine and most people here smoke weed with tobacco. that's how i got hooked in my youth was through getting stoned. now i vape and it's the flavours that keeps me from going back. i can see a ban on the nice flavours coming across the board. i don't even like menthol or mint, it's just too much. i realise i should just give it all up but i am weak and this is reality.
More like they want all the taxes they collect on tobacco but not on vaping.
How about banning teens from smoking
I hate vaping, so this is good.
But I also hate the idea that grown adults can be told what they can and cannot put in their body, so this is bad.
But it also makes sense that, if making something illegal for part of the population is not stopping them from getting said thing, making it illegal for the entire population is the next step, right?
I just don't know..
When they banned flavored cigarettes, they decided against banning menthol because African Americans smoke menthol by a 3:1 ratio and it would have a disproportionate effect.
Read your own article moron:
Many of the secondary compounds (polyaromatic hydrocarbons, PAHs, aldehydes, and carbonyls) identified in ENDS aerosols and replacement liquids (e-liquids) are considered low level, especially in comparison to levels measured in environmental tobacco/cigarette smoke [5â"7,12,13]. Furthermore, the levels of toxic compounds identified in ENDS aerosols that primary users would be exposed to in a âoevapingâ session are also not expected to approach established threshold limit values for what is considered a health risk for by-standard exposure to these compounds in cigarette smoke
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
What? That stopped because dealers were losing clients due to death. Fentanyl and heroin are both available in your nearest seedy part of town. This is literally the dumbest thing I've seen on slashdot..
/80s90sgoth
That adds the menthol back in. Hood Riches AWAIT! :-P
Obama smokes Newports, which are menthol.
Lesbians smoke alot of menthol cigs too.
There's another side to that coin, the anti-psychiatry movement (vague name, potentially inaccurate, maybe better termed psychiatry reform movement) and their promoters such as R. D. Laing caused a huge rise in the political correctness of mental illness so that now people with depression are treated on equal footing as people with schizophrenia. The rise in respectfulness for the mentally ill is a good side effect, the other side is that the rise in concept of "not a danger to himself or others at this exact moment so totally safe always" and near-total out patient treatment has lead to the closure of vast amounts of mental health facilities. And while that's good for all the supposed countless political prisoners (not that it didn't happen at all) who were used as a reason as to why they're dangerous facilities, the ultimate end result is now prisons are full of mentally ill people who get essentially no treatment at all.
Governments benefited more from the closures than any political prisoner or mentally ill person could: mental health facilities and asylums are bad because they waste money and only imprison the innocent and sane and the actual insane can be treated as out patients from underfunded clinics, so the state can save tons of money and all the rest and seemingly now vast majority of the mentally ill can live on the streets or sit in prison. Meanwhile more than a few mass shooters were considered "not a danger to himself or others" since they weren't in the middle of killing anyone at that exact moment, evidently.
What year is this? I feel like I just traveled back to the 1970s.
Kids are really paying $10+ a pack to get lung cancer?
I just figured tobacco dropped off a cliff over the past few decades.
Buy regular ones and add the menthol
Shrinks earned their rep. It wasn't that long before that change that shrinks goto treatments were lobotomy and electroshock. Granting they had moved onto thorazine, which does about the same, but isn't permanent.
The harsh fact is there aren't effective treatments for many flavors of 'loonie'. They should have guardians, but that doesn't mean we should set up a shadow court system with few checks on its power.
John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'
Last time this happened, Phillip Morris was behind it. They sponsored the ban on flavored cigarettes "for the kids" to try to bring everyone back into their fold. This was before vaping became popular. The competition switched to making flavored cigars to get around it. Now they're going after vaping and flavored cigars "for the kids" again despite smoking being at an all time low among teens.
Meanwhile, the rich guys still get to smoke their cigars unimpeded and won't affected by this at all.
https://www.cigaraficionado.com/
The junkies who stole your stuff are a small subset of users of illicit drugs. There are many other people who would like to steal your stuff that do not use any drugs at all.
Likewise, the shitters and pissers are composed of many different types of people, not all of them druggies, although there is a much larger correlation there, I think.
I think the parent's point is that for a very large number of people, there's no good reason they shouldn't be allowed to use whatever their drug of choice is.
A few months ago, the anti-smoking ads airing in Florida with funds from cigarette taxes suddenly became downright OBSESSED with Muppet-featuring ads warning that Juul contains... gasp... NICOTINE. The unstated implication is that nicotine is somehow horrible because nicotine is what makes cigarettes addictive.
The thing is, I have yet to see any credible evidence that nicotine PER SE is any worse than the #1 alternative that 99.99999% of former smokers and vapers are likely to substitute for nicotine: CAFFEINE (large quantities, intentionally consumed for the purpose of self-medication).
Now, I've never smoked, and I don't vape... but I do have a fairly obsessive sense of bullshit-detection, and generally object to blatant logical fallacies in government-sponsored propaganda campaigns. If they want to argue that nicotine is objectively worse than its real-world alternatives, by all means present the evidence... but don't offend my sensibilities by making stupid arguments like, "cigarettes are bad, cigarettes contain nicotine, vaping contains nicotine, therefore vaping is bad too". Because I can turn around and make equally-stupid arguments on similar logic, like "mass shootings are bad, schools are frequently the site of mass shootings, education also takes place in schools, therefore education is bad"
What's next? A series of ads whose message is, "Vaping is dangerous, because some cheap vaporizers use poorly-designed/manufactured lithium batteries whose failure modes include rapid exothermic reactions that can cause severe or deadly burns?" Because arguably, far more teens have died as the direct result of burn injuries from lithium battery failure than have died as the direct result of acute nicotine poisoning.
A severed head is speaking, forgetting its origins.
Nicotene is bad because smoking is bad. Nicotene isn't bad because nicotene is bad.
Quit trying to play up minimal dangers severed from the actual dangers that spawned them.
I haven't seen this much idiocy since the mercury/vaccine/autism link was disproven, yet by that point mercury per se was viewed as bad in vaccines, severed from the (false) autism link.
We are seeing a similar thing with gluten intolerance, a real issue for a small minority, and everyone hearing on the Internet gluten is bad. Like the old game where a dozen people tell the same secret in a circle, and it gets distorted as it goes around, so too did gluten become severed from its "bad" link to the rare disease, mercury in vaccines got severed from its"bad" (and false!) link to autism, and nicotene from smoking itself, which was why it was bad, the burn product, not the addiction-causing nicotene.
We now return you to your arena filled with chickens with their heads cut off.
(-1: Post disagrees with my already-settled worldview) is not a valid mod option.
does not mean that you can call something wrong and expect reality to change to match your uninformed opinions.
People can be involuntarily admitted to a psych facility for limited periods ('seclusion') and must be released if they are deemed not to to be a danger to themselves or to others. I wonder if some of them released are deemed non-dangerous because they are being secluded in a quiet, supportive environment away from over-stimulation and combative people?
When they came for the communists, I said "He's next door. Take him away. Goddam commies."
There is no parallel between smoking and vaping. And nicotine, the ZERO issue with traditional cigarettes, was never the health issue.
But to brain dead dump dump yanks, a fishstich shaped like a 'gun' IS a 'gun threat' in Elementary school, and a tube you stick in your mouth IS a 'smoking risk' despite all logic and science.
The anti-smoking lobby was originally funded by the governments of the West to DISGUISE the true cause of massive increases in the incidence of lung cancer- namely atmospheric nuclear blast tests. America in particular feared a public backlash would force them to stop, giveing other powers an advantage (before worldwide treaties banned nuclear air explosions- a ban the satanic j-ish depravities of Izreal regularly ignore- js have exploded many air bourne nukes since the 1970s).
The real issue with trad smoking was never lung cancer (rare) but the myriad of 'lesser' quality of life issues. But once the funding flooded into the anti-cig propagandist operations, the ole 'self justifying' psychology kicked in- and now anti-smoking in the USA is just another money making lobby. The key anti-smoking lobbiest pull in hundreds of thousands at least in salaries- and as real smoking reduces, they need new targets to keep that sweet sweet free cash.
So kids running around with water pistols are treated as gunmen even when everyone knows they are just water pistols. And kids vaping are treated in yankland as 'smokers', despite ZERO conceptual simularity (save for the nicotine hit).
Regulatory bodies are now always about popularist OVER-REACH to boost power and thus salaries for the big men (or these days usually women) at the top. And where things truly need regulating for the sake of society, big biz or Deep state needs come first, and no regulation happens.
PC and SJW pseudo concerns are a lteral cancer of the body of Human society. America is the most SJW driven nation on the planet, yet lacks even free basic health care for the needy. Yank dumb dumbs never notice this logical contradition, as they allow weaponised SJW movements to bend them over and eff them.
Anyone with even one functioning braincell knows that vaping is a GOOD thing, especially in ending the excuse for smoking. Obama, Blair and Clinton are anti-vaping - which tells you all you need to know.
That sounds like a raise in my tax dollars, perhaps there's a way to outsource that to the prison system? At least that's the thinking I was trying to reflect in my post.
Cotton candy flavored cocaine. Gummy bear flavored Quaaludes. Fireball flavored whiskey, oh wait...
Smoking is gay. Vaping is gay. Just Say NO to gay shit.
Let teenagers have guns and drive but not smoke. If you keep doing the same things over and over how can you expect different results? Let them smoke and forbid the others and then they will survive enough to get cancer - the least lucky ones, given current death causes kpiâ(TM)s
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Better ban any flavours for coffee, that stuff just gets you addicted to caffeine. Which by the way affects the brain in a very similar way to nicotine.
It's OK Bender, there's no such thing as 2.
Take a look at how tobacco smuggling is already going on.
If you're strung out on heroin, we've got plenty of cities that are willing to give you a "safe place" to shoot up.
But beware: You'll pay extra for sugary soda, and if you use a plastic straw-- they'll kick you out faster than a Christian in downtown Portland.
I'm strongly against prohibition. Tobacco smuggling is already a billion dollar industry. Prohibition would only make that worse.
I'd honestly rather see more people die from smoking than to create another revenue stream for criminal enterprises and the private prisons that hold their offal.
Why tobacco gets so much hate when the alcohol industry is effectively given a free pass ?
Not that I condone banning either but we're gonna get the pitchforks and torches out over flavored tobacco
while ignoring the elephant in the room of a bazillion and one flavors of alcohol ?
Makes no sense to me, but it IS the US Government. . . . so -shrug-
The more important historical element is that women were given the vote. Only then did Prohibition happen.
Curious that you chose to omit that fact.
How about a total ban on all use of cigarettes in any public space for public health reasons? I don't need to get cancer because some moron thinks they're cool.
Plus, if the idiot kids can't show off around their idiot friends, why bother?
And problem solved! Since it's been decided that grass is all good, free range and all natural now.
I served in the military for 8 years. In that time I was a smoker, too, and knew many other smokers. All of the black men I served with that smoked, smoked menthol, usually Kook Filter Kings and Newports. Never Salem. The girls smoked Salem, usually the white girls. One girl I dated, an air traffic controller, smoked Camel Wides. Another girl I dated smoked filterless Pall Mall. I even dated one that dipped occasionally. She was from Oklahoma, so that made it OK in my book (no pun intended). The cowboy boots completed the look and feel. Nice girl, even if her breath did smell like Wintergreen Skoal on a Saturday night.
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Anyone using an E-cig or vaporizer to get nicotine is a douche flute anyways. THC oil or dab FTW. Unless you have an factory issued vagina you shouldn't be vaping strawberry surprise either.
in my country chocolate cigarettes are banned. that is real chocolate cigarettes, there is no tobacco in them at all, it's real candy (that looks like cigarettes).
there was quite the uproar when that happened, basically everybody had at one time in their life had at least eating it once, but despite all, they got banned anyway.
i still can't imagine that these candies are responsible for turning kids into smokers as some kind of gateway 'drug'.
On a long enough timeline, the survival rate for everyone drops to zero.
Should we also ban wine coolers and spiked punch? Alcohol is more dangerous to a developing brain than tobacco after all.
P.S. Fuck you.
If the FDA has the right to ban flavoring in nicotine products, why don't they just ban the nicotine? Sure you can smoke addictive poison, but we'll put you in jail for adding blueberry flavoring.