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FDA Seeks Ban On Menthol Cigarettes To Fight Teen Smoking (npr.org)
The Food and Drug Administration announced Thursday that it will seek a ban on the sale of menthol-flavored cigarettes. From a report: The announcement came as the agency officially released a detailed plan to also restrict the sale of flavored electronic cigarettes. It also wants to ban flavored cigars. In a statement, FDA Commissioner Scott Gottlieb says the moves are aimed at fighting smoking among young people. Flavored e-cigarettes, menthol-flavored tobacco cigarettes and flavored cigars are all popular among teenagers. "Today, I'm pursuing actions aimed at addressing the disturbing trend of youth nicotine use and continuing to advance the historic declines we've achieved in recent years in the rates of combustible cigarette use among kids," Gottlieb says.
While cigarette smoking has hit a record low in the United States, vaping has been skyrocketing. That trend has raised concerns that a new generation of young people will become addicted to nicotine. Gottlieb says the moves were prompted by new data showing a 78 percent increase in e-cigarette use among high school students and a 48 percent increase among middle school students, from 2017 to 2018. "These data shock my conscience," Gottlieb says.
While cigarette smoking has hit a record low in the United States, vaping has been skyrocketing. That trend has raised concerns that a new generation of young people will become addicted to nicotine. Gottlieb says the moves were prompted by new data showing a 78 percent increase in e-cigarette use among high school students and a 48 percent increase among middle school students, from 2017 to 2018. "These data shock my conscience," Gottlieb says.
Ferguson, round 2.
Here's a modest proposal: Ban all tobacco products completely.
The argument against smoking is that it pollutes the air of non-smokers and affects their health. What's the issue now? I don't want ass flavored vapes, I moved away from smoking for a reason. Nicotine is so bad and yet you let people drink and push way more addicting medications. If I wanted a nanny, I would have hired one.
Really? I suspect it has nothing to do with teens smoking. Also, teenagers usually go for the taboo stuff first, if only to show off a sense of independence to their peers. If it isn't smoking, it'd likely be something else. Besides, teenagers have been smoking weed for nearly a century now, and at least on a recreational basis, that stuff is illegal as hell for kids to partake of.
Sometimes I wish that statists would just say outright what they want to do - it's not like eliminating smoking is a bad goal, and for once the honesty would be refreshing.
Quo usque tandem abutere, Nimbus, patientia nostra?
Fuck you, if they think they will take my Newports they better prepare for a fight. How about the parents you know... BE PARENTS!! Wtf is with people and their need to control what others do.
The supposed worry is that kids will become addicted to nicotine.
But that was never a health issue, the other aspects of smoking cigarettes are what lead to lung cancer, not the nicotine itself.
If you remove vaping, what will happen is kids will go back to cigarettes. How is that better??
Vaping has been amazingly helping in getting people OFF cigarettes and the FDA wants to un-spool all that benefit...
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
That'll solve eveything and won't fuck with the rest of us.
And their much decreased deaths from Chinese poisoned fentanyl fakeheroin. Facts and human lives obviously dont matter to you..
you're being modded into oblivion because you're doing to other people what you're accusing them of doing to you.
Self-righteous people use children as an excuse to deprive adults of their freedom
Fact check: The ACLU got most of the involuntary commitments released nationwide, then Reagan closed the empty loonie bins in California.
The ACLU wasn't wrong. 'Mental health' was used as a police state mechanism by many of the worst governments of the 19th and 20th centuries. Including the USA. The exceptions are nations that didn't bother with the pretense (e.g. Cambodia under Pol Pot).
John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'
More like they want all the taxes they collect on tobacco but not on vaping.
Good job polarizing something that didn't need to be. People of all race and color smoke menthol cigarettes. There big among women too, should the LGBTetc. Be against this too?? See how stupid shit like that sounds.
Read your own article moron:
Many of the secondary compounds (polyaromatic hydrocarbons, PAHs, aldehydes, and carbonyls) identified in ENDS aerosols and replacement liquids (e-liquids) are considered low level, especially in comparison to levels measured in environmental tobacco/cigarette smoke [5â"7,12,13]. Furthermore, the levels of toxic compounds identified in ENDS aerosols that primary users would be exposed to in a âoevapingâ session are also not expected to approach established threshold limit values for what is considered a health risk for by-standard exposure to these compounds in cigarette smoke
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
What? That stopped because dealers were losing clients due to death. Fentanyl and heroin are both available in your nearest seedy part of town. This is literally the dumbest thing I've seen on slashdot..
That adds the menthol back in. Hood Riches AWAIT! :-P
Obama smokes Newports, which are menthol.
There's another side to that coin, the anti-psychiatry movement (vague name, potentially inaccurate, maybe better termed psychiatry reform movement) and their promoters such as R. D. Laing caused a huge rise in the political correctness of mental illness so that now people with depression are treated on equal footing as people with schizophrenia. The rise in respectfulness for the mentally ill is a good side effect, the other side is that the rise in concept of "not a danger to himself or others at this exact moment so totally safe always" and near-total out patient treatment has lead to the closure of vast amounts of mental health facilities. And while that's good for all the supposed countless political prisoners (not that it didn't happen at all) who were used as a reason as to why they're dangerous facilities, the ultimate end result is now prisons are full of mentally ill people who get essentially no treatment at all.
Governments benefited more from the closures than any political prisoner or mentally ill person could: mental health facilities and asylums are bad because they waste money and only imprison the innocent and sane and the actual insane can be treated as out patients from underfunded clinics, so the state can save tons of money and all the rest and seemingly now vast majority of the mentally ill can live on the streets or sit in prison. Meanwhile more than a few mass shooters were considered "not a danger to himself or others" since they weren't in the middle of killing anyone at that exact moment, evidently.
What year is this? I feel like I just traveled back to the 1970s.
Kids are really paying $10+ a pack to get lung cancer?
I just figured tobacco dropped off a cliff over the past few decades.
Shrinks earned their rep. It wasn't that long before that change that shrinks goto treatments were lobotomy and electroshock. Granting they had moved onto thorazine, which does about the same, but isn't permanent.
The harsh fact is there aren't effective treatments for many flavors of 'loonie'. They should have guardians, but that doesn't mean we should set up a shadow court system with few checks on its power.
John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'
The junkies who stole your stuff are a small subset of users of illicit drugs. There are many other people who would like to steal your stuff that do not use any drugs at all.
Likewise, the shitters and pissers are composed of many different types of people, not all of them druggies, although there is a much larger correlation there, I think.
I think the parent's point is that for a very large number of people, there's no good reason they shouldn't be allowed to use whatever their drug of choice is.
Or course they do, but in all my years, the predominate smokers of menthol cigarettes have been black folks. Just factual observation....
Just because you observe something common amongst a race doesn't make it racial or polarizing, it is merely an observation.
I notice that most basketball players in the NBA are black too....same damned observation and level of factuality.
Quit being so snow-flaky about any time some mentions an observation. It happens and can be true.
Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.........
A severed head is speaking, forgetting its origins.
Nicotene is bad because smoking is bad. Nicotene isn't bad because nicotene is bad.
Quit trying to play up minimal dangers severed from the actual dangers that spawned them.
I haven't seen this much idiocy since the mercury/vaccine/autism link was disproven, yet by that point mercury per se was viewed as bad in vaccines, severed from the (false) autism link.
We are seeing a similar thing with gluten intolerance, a real issue for a small minority, and everyone hearing on the Internet gluten is bad. Like the old game where a dozen people tell the same secret in a circle, and it gets distorted as it goes around, so too did gluten become severed from its "bad" link to the rare disease, mercury in vaccines got severed from its"bad" (and false!) link to autism, and nicotene from smoking itself, which was why it was bad, the burn product, not the addiction-causing nicotene.
We now return you to your arena filled with chickens with their heads cut off.
(-1: Post disagrees with my already-settled worldview) is not a valid mod option.
People can be involuntarily admitted to a psych facility for limited periods ('seclusion') and must be released if they are deemed not to to be a danger to themselves or to others. I wonder if some of them released are deemed non-dangerous because they are being secluded in a quiet, supportive environment away from over-stimulation and combative people?
When they came for the communists, I said "He's next door. Take him away. Goddam commies."
That sounds like a raise in my tax dollars, perhaps there's a way to outsource that to the prison system? At least that's the thinking I was trying to reflect in my post.
Cotton candy flavored cocaine. Gummy bear flavored Quaaludes. Fireball flavored whiskey, oh wait...
Better ban any flavours for coffee, that stuff just gets you addicted to caffeine. Which by the way affects the brain in a very similar way to nicotine.
It's OK Bender, there's no such thing as 2.
I would say the same percentage of blacks/menthol to women/menthol from my experience. I however am from teh poors, :( In Las Vegas of all places. However "This should be an easy situation for the Republicans to take a stand against, because menthol cigarettes are popular in the Black community." Was the polarizing race baiting part I was talking about. You really should not defend people like that. It looks bad on you.
Take a look at how tobacco smuggling is already going on.
I'm strongly against prohibition. Tobacco smuggling is already a billion dollar industry. Prohibition would only make that worse.
I'd honestly rather see more people die from smoking than to create another revenue stream for criminal enterprises and the private prisons that hold their offal.
Why tobacco gets so much hate when the alcohol industry is effectively given a free pass ?
Not that I condone banning either but we're gonna get the pitchforks and torches out over flavored tobacco
while ignoring the elephant in the room of a bazillion and one flavors of alcohol ?
Makes no sense to me, but it IS the US Government. . . . so -shrug-
Same to you and your body odor and Axe body spray.
Back to the article, menthols are well known to be favorites of two demographics: black people and OLD people. Not kids. This is a fucking retarded proposal by the FDA.
I served in the military for 8 years. In that time I was a smoker, too, and knew many other smokers. All of the black men I served with that smoked, smoked menthol, usually Kook Filter Kings and Newports. Never Salem. The girls smoked Salem, usually the white girls. One girl I dated, an air traffic controller, smoked Camel Wides. Another girl I dated smoked filterless Pall Mall. I even dated one that dipped occasionally. She was from Oklahoma, so that made it OK in my book (no pun intended). The cowboy boots completed the look and feel. Nice girl, even if her breath did smell like Wintergreen Skoal on a Saturday night.
Captcha: redneck (I'm actually shocked at this captcha)
in my country chocolate cigarettes are banned. that is real chocolate cigarettes, there is no tobacco in them at all, it's real candy (that looks like cigarettes).
there was quite the uproar when that happened, basically everybody had at one time in their life had at least eating it once, but despite all, they got banned anyway.
i still can't imagine that these candies are responsible for turning kids into smokers as some kind of gateway 'drug'.
On a long enough timeline, the survival rate for everyone drops to zero.
Should we also ban wine coolers and spiked punch? Alcohol is more dangerous to a developing brain than tobacco after all.
P.S. Fuck you.
Logic is not involved in the decision.