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More Companies Plan To Implant Microchips Into Their Employees' Hands (engadget.com)
"British companies are planning to microchip some of their staff in order to boost security and stop them accessing sensitive areas," reports the Telegraph. "Biohax, a Swedish company that provides human chip implants, told the Telegraph it was in talks with a number of UK legal and financial firms to implant staff with the devices."
An anonymous reader quote Zero Hedge: It is really happening. At one time, the idea that large numbers of people would willingly allow themselves to have microchips implanted into their hands seemed a bit crazy, but now it has become a reality. Thousands of tech enthusiasts all across Europe have already had microchips implanted, and now a Swedish company is working with very large global employers....
For security-obsessed corporations, this sort of technology can appear to have a lot of upside. If all of your employees are chipped, you will always know where they are, and you will always know who has access to sensitive areas or sensitive information. According to a top official from Biohax, the procedure to implant a chip takes "about two seconds...." Of course once this technology starts to be implemented, there will be some workers that will object. But if it comes down to a choice between getting the implant or losing their jobs, how many workers do you think will choose to become unemployed?
Engadget provides more examples, pointing out that in 2006 an Ohio surveillance firm had two employees in its secure data center implant RFIDs in their triceps, and that just last year 80 employees at Three Square Market in Wisconsin had chips implanted into their hands. Their article also hints that "no one's thinking about the inevitable DEF CON talk 'Chipped employees: Fun with attack vectors'"
Dr. Stewart Southey, the Chief Medical Officer at Biohax International, describes the technology as "a secure way of ensuring that a person's digital identity is linked to their physical identity," with a syringe injecting the chip directly between their thumb and forefinger to enable near-field communication. But what do Slashdot's readers think?
Would you let your employer microchip you?
An anonymous reader quote Zero Hedge: It is really happening. At one time, the idea that large numbers of people would willingly allow themselves to have microchips implanted into their hands seemed a bit crazy, but now it has become a reality. Thousands of tech enthusiasts all across Europe have already had microchips implanted, and now a Swedish company is working with very large global employers....
For security-obsessed corporations, this sort of technology can appear to have a lot of upside. If all of your employees are chipped, you will always know where they are, and you will always know who has access to sensitive areas or sensitive information. According to a top official from Biohax, the procedure to implant a chip takes "about two seconds...." Of course once this technology starts to be implemented, there will be some workers that will object. But if it comes down to a choice between getting the implant or losing their jobs, how many workers do you think will choose to become unemployed?
Engadget provides more examples, pointing out that in 2006 an Ohio surveillance firm had two employees in its secure data center implant RFIDs in their triceps, and that just last year 80 employees at Three Square Market in Wisconsin had chips implanted into their hands. Their article also hints that "no one's thinking about the inevitable DEF CON talk 'Chipped employees: Fun with attack vectors'"
Dr. Stewart Southey, the Chief Medical Officer at Biohax International, describes the technology as "a secure way of ensuring that a person's digital identity is linked to their physical identity," with a syringe injecting the chip directly between their thumb and forefinger to enable near-field communication. But what do Slashdot's readers think?
Would you let your employer microchip you?
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I'd rather loose my job than be injected with a chip.
this is happening in Britain. Why do we seemingly accept these types of security measures uncritically, always without question whatsoever.
and attach a chainsaw to it.
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What this guy says
"Would you let your employer microchip you?"
No. And i would call my lawyer to see if i can negotiate some sort of compensation for being fired although i doubt i would get any. I probably would get another similarly paid job afterwards but after a long negotiation period. I would have to live and eventually finish that mortgage on savings between jobs.
my clients/employers would ever have any kind access to/make use of. I don't know why any employee/contractor would accept that as a terms of employment As for implants for my defective eyes and/or other senses, computer interfacing, nervous system interfacing I would definitely consider it when it looks advantageous and useful. But in reality I am probably to old (63) to get there. Just my 2 cents ;)
Real question: is "how the fuck is this actually better than biometrics?" Biometrics are relatively difficult to clone or spoof. A chip is just an ID card implanted in a person -- it can be cloned or otherwise spoofed more easily than the alternative.
As far as the employers, I agree with other posters' sentiments. Requiring employees to modify their bodies in such a way should be grounds for a massive lawsuit, or simply hanging from the nearest lamppost.
Next step: the alternative place for a credential chip is in the forehead. Soon after that the credentials are required to access vehicles, tools, working areas, open doors, eat food that you haven't grown yourself without fertilizers and so on. Triggering, isn't it?
First, chips are often obsoleted. The bits on HID proxy cards go up to handle attacks and business needs. I would not want something implanted where my next employer would demand version 1.0.0.0.1b of the chip and I have 1.0.0.1a.
Plus, look at IoT vendor reputation as a whole. I wouldn't trust these people to make a secure Wi-Fi light bulb that wouldn't get pwned. Would I trust them with something that I'm stuck with for life? Nope.
We already have biometrics. Why do we need some startup's chip, other than to give that startup a windfall profit?
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There is no way in the shady side of hell would I ever let my employer implant anything in my body.
Why not use biometric methods, that way no chip is required at all? These RFID chips are just an extra expense. Also, each company use their own system so if you change job you need a new chip.
It seems like it is all about tagging people with very little respect to the cost.
1. RFID chips can often be cloned. Their "security" is not really that great. And the only way to know whether your RFID supplier is one of the good, secure ones, is to wait until it gets hacked.
2. RFID chips, even if the chip *itself* is legal to install, opens the employer up to invasion of privacy law suits. RFID chips can be tracked. And they can be tracked by entities other than the employer, and the employer will be on the hook for that if the employer does not provide a way to turn the chip off... but it's an RFID chip. You can't actually turn it off.
3. Removing RFID chips requires surgery. Like, real surgery. The expensive kind. And the employer is going to pay for that, too, or the employer is going to face lawsuits.
4. RFID chips can be removed and used by someone else. This requires surgery, but the bad guys are a lot less concerned with the health of the chip wearer.
5. Everything about this is bad.
TL;DR: No, I would not agree to any such thing.
No way in hell I'd let any employer do this, and if they fired me I'd be on the phone to the state labor board and an attorney within the hour.
To be more specific about this: If I was a current employee at ANY company for ANY amount of money and then later said they were going to do this, I'd tell them "hell, no!" and not budge, and being fired would get me litigious in short order. If I got a new job and was told they do this, I would tell them in no uncertain terms that I do NOT consent to having anything this invasive done to me for ANY reason whatsoever, and not budge. In either case there would be legal action.
Carrying an RFID badge around all the time? I've done that, it's not invasive at all. Inserting hardware into my flesh? Fuck you. Bottom line: Any company that trusts their employees so little that they feel the need to do this, I very likely wouldn't want anything to do with them. If it's optional? I might work for them, and I can't see demanding something like this of employees being legal.
Or, in this case, working.
1984 was meant to be fiction, so was Revelations...
Both are sickening.
The climate at Slashdot became so ill and sickening.
The big companies shows so much disregards to privacy that it is sickening.
Trolling here with such stupid obvious question here is as bad.
Do you really need to ask if ppl willfully agree with such invasion of their privacy, their own body, tainting, violating their own self?
Can't you figure how wrong this is of a privacy and individual integrity violation it is to implant an ID chip?
My grand-parents fought for their liberty, their rights against the Nazis who among other so terrible things they did, forced tattoo ID.
And now we have a young generation of idiots and mentally ill individuals asking if we are ok to be inserted with an ID microchip under our skin?
Léa Gris
Needs legislation -- require payment of $1 million+taxes to each employee required to accept that.
Also, that way it will be mostly directors and upper management that will have to receive the honour.
I do not have access to TFA but form the summary i understand they would be used as tracking devices. Not to replace or improve over biometrics then.
It is not my desire to work for an agent of the beast.
A little bit of crowd funding and a cheap removal and re-insertion tool could be developed. Could arrange to send my pet cockroach to work with a friend if I wanted a day off.
And I think we (in the US) new to lobby our representatives to ensure that compulsory forcing of this type of shit is illegal, as well as any retaliatory shit done by a company to make one âoevolunteerâ to do it.
And yes offering a benefit to employees for chipping themselves and no benefit to those that donâ(TM)t is retaliatory.
It's called a FOIL wristband... And I can buy a whole roll of the stuff at Safeway for $5.00.
No.
on their right hands, or on their forehead. (And forehead is overly literal translation.)
Your lawsuit will go farther if you claim religious discrimination.
For this reason, God sends them a powerful delusion(operation of wandering)(planet) so that they will believe the lie.
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Everyone has a phone
Never not ever.
We microchip pets, not people.
I am not my employer's property. They have no right to invade my body and my privacy.
Employers who try this are a bunch of mindless jerks who'll be the first against the wall when the revolution comes.
TFS ends with: "But what do Slashdot's readers think?"
With 60 answers the trend is clear: The question is a troll.
Nobody seems to want a chip, is that a surprise? Of course not. But look at all the emotion the question generated. I guess that's money in the bank for Slashdot ... or Facebook, Twitter, etc. Get people riled up and somehow you profit.
I think it's a cheap shot. It brings out the worst in readers. Frankly it disgusts me. I'm here for news and insightful comments and this gives me neither.
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Implanting RFID chips is not a new security technique, but it is a poor one. The only value this article has is to scare people, specifically conservative christians who believe the end times will be heralded by everyone being required to be marked by the beast, satan. This marking is believed to be the implantation of an electronic device that serves as an ID, Passport, and wallet and is required everywhere to buy or sell anything. An RFID is not that device because its such a poor and easily defeated identification mechanism. Any system of trade built on it would collapse immediately due to rampant and cheap hacking.
I refuse to speak to anyone who wears a surveillance device ...
So you don't have a cellular phone, and neither does any of your friends?
would never work anywhere where there are cameras or anything else spying on me ...
Perhaps not knowingly, but how could you ever be certain there are no cameras?
'The Economy' is a giant Ponzi scheme whose most pitiable suckers are the youngest among us and the yet-unborn.
Pets get chipped.
I am not my employer's pet.
"We mustn't be caught by surprise by our own advancing technology" -- Aldous Huxley
I would tell them they can go fuck themselves.
Simple as that really.
demand lifetime healthcare if they want to implant one
Who are these people who think that this is a reasonable tradeoff for a job? There is no job and no amount of money on the planet that's worth it to me to do that for.
I don't respond to AC's.
This is just the first wave of propaganda trying to normalize this shit. More will come. It will take some years before this is mandatory, but after more fake security scandals and other hackery it will be touted as the next step. And then we will be there.
First, chips are often obsoleted. The bits on HID proxy cards go up to handle attacks and business needs. I would not want something implanted where my next employer would demand version 1.0.0.0.1b of the chip and I have 1.0.0.1a.
Plus, look at IoT vendor reputation as a whole. I wouldn't trust these people to make a secure Wi-Fi light bulb that wouldn't get pwned. Would I trust them with something that I'm stuck with for life? Nope.
We already have biometrics. Why do we need some startup's chip, other than to give that startup a windfall profit?
You're unemployed. Your savings is about all gone. Your bank called and they are sending John next weekend to repo your car if you don't make payments. Your wife is flirting with another dude who is employed and ready to leave. The bank also wants to know when you can hand over the keys to your home as you are now 90 days out and have a lawyer ready to take you to court and serve papers to get you homeless.
SHitty company A is here with a way out. Just sign and agree to this and all your problems will go away.
Not everyone is a hot shit top developer worth $175,000 a year and has the kind of bargaining power you possess in terms of employment. The average American Salary is still $58,000 if you believe that.
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Drone workforce incoming. If you're stupid enough to let your employer microchip you then you deserve it.
Never underestimate how far employers will over reach if they aren't called on it.
About 15 years ago I tried to apply for a job in a department store. I balled up the application and walked out reading the kind of information they wanted.
To apply for probably a near minimum wage cashier job, they wanted to know if I worked any other jobs, how much that job paid me, if I was married, if my wife worked and how much SHE made per hour. Guessing so they could judge just how much they could screw you and how desperate you were.
If they aren't slapped down, then they are defacto condoned as far as they are concerned and if the costs of that fallout is less than the money they save screwing workers and/or exploiting them, it is just seen as the cost of doing business. Same as hiring illegals to suppress wages and break unions when getting caught is still cheaper than paying what a job is worth.
The good thing about the USA is that it has quite a lot of heavily-armed Christians who would LITERALLY consider the CEO and management of company A to be the spawn of the Devil.
The good thing about the USA is that it has quite a lot of heavily-armed Christians who would LITERALLY consider the CEO and management of company A to be the spawn of the Devil.
As someone who lives in the bible southern belt of the country they worship money and greed as they are one with the Republican party down here because of abortion and gay marriage. They so fear the government as the devil they will worship that CEO thinking if they can get it implanted then maybe they too can be CEO someday if they work hard and vote conservative thanks to the tax cuts.
Sadly, I am not exaggerating either!!
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How about asking us that question via a poll?
You do know Slashdot has polls, right?
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Might as well just tattoo the Number of the Beast on your forehead.
Christ on a biscuit. Who on earth would say yes to this? Thank G-d I live in the States where this will never pass legal muster. Crazy doesn't begin to cover it.
There was a guy in Australia who decide to implant a chip inside himself a while back. (also here). Still have no idea what he was smoking when he changed his name to Meow-Ludo Disco Gamma Meow-Meow.
-- Political fascism requires a Fuhrer.
Sadly, I am not exaggerating either!!
No, you're stereotyping.
Don't believe anything you read on Zerohedge. It's basically the Daily Stormer with stock numbers and their articles are far more likely to be copypasta from Infowars than anything real.
You are welcome on my lawn.
I have a Samsung flip phone - no camera, no GPS, and it doesn't receive most texts. Companies have given me smart phones to carry, insisting I need to stay in touch - I leave it on my desk when I leave work for the day.
There is no way I'm implanting a chip in my body for my job. Absolutely no fucking way.
If I am forced to choose between living in the wild eating tree roots / roasted rat meat and having myself implanted with a chip just so I can get a job ... I'll tell them to go fuck themselves and go living in the wild.
Wierdo.
And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads: And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
Revelation 13:16â-â17 KJV
https://bible.com/bible/1/rev.13.16-17.KJV
You are not exaggerating but you are dead wrong. Bible thumpers are the most concerned about this stuff due to various bible passages I am sure you are completely ignorant of about the sign of the beast and everyone getting a mark, etc.
You are a bigot and general idiot.
You sound like kids I knew in high school: oh dude and then like I know this guy who knows this guy who has a cousin who is like gnarly looking and he has a gun and he is going to shoot everyone because I think somebody saw him drive by church this one day and he looked really mean!
That is you. A low grade idiot in high school.
If you'd stop eating your own shit, I wouldn't have to castigate you for it. Now fuck off. When you are ready to converse under your real name and have something useful to say, we'll talk. Until then, please stop eating your own shit and cowering in the corner like a whiny little bitch.
— gerald butler's impersonator
I'm morally and ethically opposed to companies requiring employees to have implants or any other mod done to their bodies.
Sadly, I am not exaggerating either!!
No, you're stereotyping.
I am. People in my state voted for Cruz on the belief Beto was a radical socialist and the Mexican caravan was going to take their jobs away. I lost faith in them and proud to call them idiots with no self awareness. In any other country I can not see how any sane rational person would choose Cruz or the racist governor of Florida whose party created the red tide due to environmental rollbacks in regulations in water run offs.
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If only a RFID chip keeps you out of sensitive areas, sounds like it's time to start making a line of fashionable aluminum layered gloves...
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If the employees bark and wag enthusiastically, will they get a treat?
Look out when it comes time to downsize! I guess they'll just take the chipped pets^wemployees to the pound to be euthanized.
I live in the bible belt. Have all my life. You're not exaggerating, you're lying.
its slavery all over again, rich assholes thinking they can buy slaves.
except no one sees it anymore, mortgage for 10 years? school debt? huge taxes?
the finish line is only when a person wore themselves with no energy to enjoy the fruits of their labor, just kids and wheelchair, what a ride...
The weird thing is that I suspect most people here know that they are being exploited for their predictable knee-jerk responses--but they don't care.
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Chip all the Jews and give them the gift of gas.
If I know an employer is even asking people to accept this, I won't apply there. If a current employer wanted to try it, I'd make it clear that I would resign immediately if they started doing it. If anyone attempted to chip me against my will, I would respond with violence, up to and including deadly force.
-jcr
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I remember the days when twitter was the worst troll here and all he used to complain about was Microsoft.
We already have biometrics. Why do we need some startup's chip, other than to give that startup a windfall profit?
We don't need those biometrics either. Easy to spoof, hard to replace. Similar failure mode, achieving the same thing: Making the identificee disposable.
I'm amazed any company would take that legal risk. It could be medical - a 1% higher cancer rate 20 years in the future among chipped employees. it could be personal data security when people discover that organizations other than their company are tracking them.
It just seems a huge risk, when biometrics may be as good. Surely no one is claiming that the chips are "impossible to hack".
Or at least it can't be prevented with the usual "if you don't like it, wait a few years to vote for someone who says they don't like it after it's far too late and has been implemented for nearly as long as you've waited to vote". Stopping shit like this requires actual, forceful removal of all those pushing for such breaches on privacy and (even if the chips can't do it *yet*) bodily integrity.
Begging self-styled nobles and opulent merchants to please stop making more money by abusing those beneath them has never and will never work. Only when their innards are strewed across town and their heads displayed on pikes do their replacements get the message - for a few years or so. That is the only way the inexorable slide towards worst-case-scenario totalitarianism EVER pauses or backtracks, and the number one reason decades are spent "educating" everyone that things like revolution are crackpot ideas of angry edgy teenagers or the insane which must never be performed.
So you don't have a cellular phone, and neither does any of your friends?
Is your cellular phone implanted in your body?
He's not. My family's from Nashville. My uncle goes and wastes a chunk of his wages every sunday listening to a guy who owns a private jet tell folks they need to donate more or jesus won't protect them from cancer and poverty. This is no exaggeration; this is his fucking life. Him and thousands of others.
He thinks Hillary made gay rights because Satan possessed her so it's not her fault, as a woman wouldn't be able to come up with things like that. This is pretty much the only point in which he disagrees with Trump and McConnell on issues. My father STILL boasts about how much more money they're making since the tax cuts; his boss certainly did but our family never saw a penny of that yet and never will. No bonus, luckily no layoff like happened to some, but certainly no raise.
What desperate idiot is going to allow this?
A researcher did this years ago in the UK.
It looks like a great headline but I think you will find that the legal and regulatory framework in the UK will kill this stone-dead in actuality. It boggles the mind that legal and financial firms are considering this and that their HR Departments haven't killed it.
One - unless it's an approved medical implant, any company encouraging employees to do this is leaving itself wide open to legal sanction. We're not even touching whether the person getting the implant was given enough information, advice etc. Even if it IS an approved medical devices, can you imagine the hammering any company that "enforces" this rule will get in the courts ? and it doesn't have to be direct, all an employee needs is a suspicion that they were sacked due to refusing and it's game on.
[Note for our American cousins : UK employment law is rather large and is [rightly] heavily weighted in favour of the employee.]
Two - whilst it might be trendy for Shoreditch scooter-riding social-media professionals, Unions and Civil Liberties organisations will fight it tooth and nail - and the former has lots of financial and political clout. If there is a Labour government next, it's dead in the water and I can't see even the Tories going for this.
Three - whilst it might be fine for your dog and cat, the idea of someone putting an RFID implant in me positively Orwellian.
I'm gobsmacked that this came out of Sweden which is meant to be a highly progressive society.
It's in the UK - you get lifetime "free" [paid through taxation] healthcare anyway
I won't let any company chip me, especially since there still hasn't been a good medical study done to the longterm effects of wearing such a chip. It's already known that in not so few cases the chip is not staying at the place it was injected and starts running around your body..
Luckily no company can force you to submit yourself to such torture..
Hoofie didn't just suggest the NHS was a healthcare service did he?
It seems to be a bottomless pit that eats money, and doesn't return value. But that's getting way off topic.
They'd probably use the RFID chip to ID you, even if someone replaced yours with that of a psycho patient. So when you tell them the computer's wrong - they'll just lock you up. Nothing personal, just their job you know - returning you to the nut ward.
New King James Version (NKJV)
16 He causes all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hand or on their foreheads, 17 and that no one may buy or sell except one who has [a]the mark or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
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So, they didn't vote for Cruz then? To me outside of the US, it looks like you have to be mentally deficient to vote republican right now.
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Can the chip do anything special for me? Strength, extra sensory , etc? My dog has one. Ignorance is bliss. Would hope something better comes along Like a bracelet. But wearing outside of Aoya bit over doing it. Inside the office , well it's the investors Co.
NO!
But if it comes down to a choice between getting the implant or losing their jobs, how many workers do you think will choose to become unemployed?
I can't tell you how many, but I can tell you it will be your most valuable and difficult to replace staff that are first out the door.
There should never been a choice between (something invasive here) and losing your job. There should always be an alternative.
In this case, most of us carry an ID badge with an RFID. This performs the same task. Yes, the badge can be lost or stolen or loaned, whereas with an embedded chip these are a little harder. But I'm not sure I'd want to work for a company that insisted on this with an 'implant or lose your job' scenario. I would, in that case, walk out.
Now, I'm not against the chip-in-the-hand, per se. I can see some uses for it, especially if the chip can be used for other things (Android / Apple pay comes to mind, using it for banking, etc etc). Given an opportunity to get one installed, I would actually think about it, weigh it up, and made a decision, and that might be 'yes'.
I would have a huge problem with having it forced upon me, though. My body is my body. As a company, you don't have any rights to it. You hire me for my abilities, but you don't hire me to make any alteration to me, with or without my consent.
This fits into the "I disagree with your, but I'll still fight to allow you to have your own opinion" type category. Get an implant if you want, don't get it if you don't want, but I'll fight with you to ensure that it is a choice, and only your choice.
There’s never a shortage of mentally deficient people in the US, seethe election of Drumpf.
Hoofie didn't just suggest the NHS was a healthcare service did he?
It seems to be a bottomless pit that eats money, and doesn't return value. But that's getting way off topic.
They'd probably use the RFID chip to ID you, even if someone replaced yours with that of a psycho patient. So when you tell them the computer's wrong - they'll just lock you up. Nothing personal, just their job you know - returning you to the nut ward.
You obviously know nothing about the NHS - the idea that anyone can find a placement in a mental health unit is laughable.
I spend a rather large amount of time earlier this year looking at just this for an assignment, so I'm reasonably up to speed on the idea of biometric chips. The only upside to an embedded RFID chip is that it's much harder to lose your card or leave it at home. The downsides are massive:
* RFID chips are a health risk - they've been known to cause cancers in rats since 1996, and there is evidence of increased cancer risks in large animals too, such as dogs and cats. That's a risk in itself. They also block you from having an MRI scan in the future.
* They are hard to lose, but very easy to clone. Once your chip has been cloned you need surgery to change the password!
* If the idea takes off, where you do put different RFID chips around your body so they don't clash, or does there need to be a global standard? Do employees need to have the chips removed when they leave the country
* You can't remove your staff pass. Ideally, you only wear your staff pass in the office, so people outside the office can't easily copy/clone it. Try taking the RFID chip off on a daily basis...
* Companies are already banned from forcing implants on their staff in some states - California and Georgia come to mind.
And this is all before employees turn around and tell employers to go screw themselves over being permanently tagged and scarred by their employer, who can now keep tabs on them after leaving emplyoment...
I've been pondering how this will end for me: Winning the lottery, finding an escape vehicle to go to a different star system.
The most likely solution is I'l starve some time in the next decade. I'm gonna try and get my son into a nomadic tribe if I can. I don;t want him to live in this world. He's still young,. he can adapt.
Even Diablo fans, but you wouldn't know it..
Those who accept chipping will also accept zero healthcare. This is Darwinism at work. Or more appropriately reverse Darwinism.
The weakest will adapt and survive this system.
Let ask for help before we are obliged to wear the mark of the beast to make commerce.
No, just no....
The real question here is who will get the implant first - the lowly worker-bees who need access to a secure location, or the entire Board of Directors, all C-Level Executives and their staff.
Chip all of them - or none of them. And, the ones making this decision to chip employees in their company - need to be the first to have it done to them.
The good thing about the USA is that it has quite a lot of heavily-armed Christians who would LITERALLY consider the CEO and management of company A to be the spawn of the Devil.
As someone who lives in the bible southern belt of the country they worship money and greed as they are one with the Republican party down here because of abortion and gay marriage. They so fear the government as the devil they will worship that CEO thinking if they can get it implanted then maybe they too can be CEO someday if they work hard and vote conservative thanks to the tax cuts.
Sadly, I am not exaggerating either!!
This is just a flat out lie and wrong. The vast majority of the bible belt would consider this one of the marks of the devil and a sign of the end times/incoming rapture. I literally had a conversation about this a couple days ago trying to point out that a chip with a range of a couple feet isn't going to be tracked by a world wide satellite.
Want to guarantee you will lose an election in the deep south as a Republican? Come out in support of this.
It's not meant to be better, it's meant to own you and replace you at will. I would have thought that was obvious.
no. i would find another job.
No chip, no job. Simple as that. Employers are not charities, they demand and expect everyone working for the company to do what is necesary to win in the market and if implanted chips make that happen then you should do it. If this makes a difference, I expect all companies to demand it and RIGHTLY so. If you arent going to be a team player, the goverment shoud not be forcing companies to keep your useless ass around.
I say YES. I look forward to mandating all employees get chips implanted. What I find really appealing about this is that it will be a good way to filter out the employees who are lazy pieces of shit who don't care about their jobs from the ones who want to succeed and will do what it takes. Just look at all the snowflakes and buttercups whining, screaming and yelling "NO!!!". If this tech helps end the welfare queen entitlement that so many SJW's on slashdot demand, then I am all for it.
use is getting old. The 2010s will be known for:
- Humans using tech for evil - Spying, facial/plate recognition, forced identity where non was needed
- Tech companies screwing customer base - Windows/Device spying
- Cameras everywhere - way to many places.
- DRM
Eventually,surveillance will remove creativity from our society as people are pushed down
A hand axe says digital itentity is not securely linked to physical identity. Chopping a hand off becomes the new lifting a fingerprint off a drinking glass.
When I die
I am from the southeastern US and would argue that the motivator here (as elsewhere, but I digress) is "me and mine". Thus, "Hi, I would like to put a microchip in *your* hand." would get a "$#@/ you", but "Hi, I would like to put a microchip in someone else's hand" would get a "What the $#@/ do I care?"
Don't forget to wear a Faraday glove whenever you aren't actively using the implant.
Dude. Lucifer could run as a republican and Jesus as a Democrat and the white southern evangelicals will vote for Lucifer because he has an R next to his name.
Yes call me a bigot but the last 2 election cycles and schools that teach creationism here say I am right.
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This seems like terrible operational security to me. It's usually harder to figure out people's daily operations...
The amount of ignorant trash coming out of Britain these days is nothing short of amazing.
Not a chance I'd tolerate this.
demand lifetime healthcare if they want to implant one
You don't have this already? What kind of a country do you live in?
First, chips are often obsoleted.
NFC chips functionally have not changed. There's nothing to obsolete.
Plus, look at IoT vendor reputation as a whole.
The IoT vendor reputation is a bit different when providing business products as they have for a good 20 years before the acronym IoT started describing their model. This isn't some cheap Chinese made internet connected flusher on your toilet.
We already have biometrics.
Biometrics are a completely different part of the security equation, and despite ID cards (along with these chips) being fundamentally insecure they have a major advantage over biometrics, they can be altered if compromised.
The only chips that go in my body are potato!
Slow down, cowboy! It has been 4 hours since you last posted. You must wait another few hours.
The average American Salary is still $58,000 if you believe that.
The average (mean) net compensation: $48k
The median net compensation: $32k
Source: https://www.ssa.gov/OACT/COLA/...
You have not worked for a modern IoT company then... the startups which are more interested in making their crap proprietary and unusable, with lack of security deliberately factored in as an incentive for businesses to keep upgrading perfectly good hardware.
I have worked for an IoT company. Not a rebranded one, but a modern DevOps one. They care more about a pimple on their bum than anything security related, since security gets them zero income.
Companies won't care about security. It is up to individuals, the government, and regulators to make them care.
Posting AC, as I have modded in this thread, and I tend to not reply to company shills.
I would not accept more than one. One should do for every company s paranoia in all the world!
what a shocker!
"Dr. Stewart Southey, the Chief Medical Officer at Biohax International, describes the technology as "a secure way of ensuring that a person's digital identity is linked to their physical identity"
So what hes saying is that he is 100% confident that someone cant clone another persons chip and use that to spoof them?
Even if there are new methods of providing crypto on RFID power levels, how will they stand up against something attached to the mains working to break that crypto so that they can duplicate the keys underneath.
to anyone freaking out about this: Resist for as long as you can, at least until the black hats get a couple cracks at it. I get the feeling that this will go the same way as the clipper chip.
I live in Ontario. Provincial and federal privacy laws like PIPEDA, and judicial attitudes are very unlikely to allow this invasive, forced spying here.
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YOU EVEN HELPED ME https://science.slashdot.org/c... (& you quit trying to make me look bad by trying to "tell lies" on hosts as "ME" IN YOUR IMPERSONATIONS of me e.g. https://tech.slashdot.org/comm... & regarding Intel speculative execution attacks? Guess what?? Hosts DO PREVENT THEM)
APK
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" Your wife is flirting with another dude who is employed and ready to leave.".
Found the Virgin!
Pro tip, if your wife/girlfriend/boyfriend is doing that, you've already lost them. because you're a loser.
To me outside of the US, it looks like you have to be mentally deficient to vote republican right now.
If all I had to inform me was the main-stream media, I'd think the same thing, too.
You are in a maze of twisty little passages, all alike.
Set up the reader to be worn like a glove. Then we can be just like the Guinea baboons: https://arstechnica.com/science/2018/11/some-clues-about-why-male-guinea-baboons-fondle-each-others-genitals/
It doesn't matter who's doing the informing, they aren't lying about what laws trump and the republicans keep trying to pass or the continuous asinine things they keep saying.
Waterfox - a Firefox fork with legacy extension support, security updates and better privacy by default.
And if I claim religious objection to chip injection, then I'm subsequently fired, can I sue in the EU for discrimination?
before I submit to this. Ever. I'd rather cut grass with the illegals here in Texas and take a day wage than allow myself to be chipped, tracked, whatever.
"We notice you've taken 5 toilet breaks today. How much coffee/soda/tea do you drink? Are you a diabetic?"
"We notice you've eaten out at Pizza Hut 4 times this month. Report to the infirmary for a cholesterol check. If you're found to be above normal levels, HR will be forced to raise your insurance premiums."
"We notice your car was speeding 3 times to work this last week. Your insurance company has been notified. You'll need to attend driver safety training."
"We notice you have bought two case of beer this month at the package store. Are you an alcoholic?"
These chips will be tied into so many databases, it won't be funny. And they'll give you the same crap reason websites give you about loading cookies onto your HDD. "It's to provide you with a better experience."
Cold day in hell...
If this is happening, THEY can be the "loser" as well -- seeking validation outside of a relationship due to low self-esteem.
USA
This sets a bad precedent.
If we accept a precedent that states a person's employability is contingent upon their willingness to give up bodily autonomy - e.g., bodily autonomy becomes contractable - then a whole host of other regulatory behaviors become permissible.
Drug testing any time? Check
Contraception/abortion regs (either mandating or denying the right to): Check
Location checks (e.g., RFID GPS tracking)? Check
I'll wear an RFID badge and use basic biometrics (fingerprint scan or retinal scan) coupled with a passcode, because I can put the badge down.
But it seems excessive to be unable to let a person have time away from monitoring....private time and family time, you know?
"Truth is what works" -- William James "It works!!" -- o-dark-AM comment
Its pretty damn funny that you need an AC to spread your idiocy because your karma is so bad that an AC outranks.
No offense, but the person you describe isn't equipped to succeed in life with or without a chip or a job. And chip or no chip isn't where you fix it. But people, all people including your sorry hypothetical one, have a right to privacy to protect them from such things as racist lynch mobs and profit-driven insurance companies (which are essentially the same thing dressed up differentlyâ"predators of the weak).
It is really happening. At one time, the idea that large numbers of people would willingly allow themselves to have microchips implanted into their hands seemed a bit crazy, but now it has become a reality.
The problem here is that the law often considers "what a reasonable person would do". At this point in time a reasonable person would:
-Post all of their demographic and personal information to social media sites
-Allow themselves to be tracked through their phones
-Submit their bank account numbers to their employers
-Allow employers to check their credit at any time
-Sign indemnity clauses waiving their right to sue - in some cases up to and including death
-Sign non-compete agreements, barring them from employment in the industry if they leave their current employer
My bet is that most people here do at least the first two - completely rendering fourth amendment constitutional rights useless to a U.S citizen. This is just the next step in the slippery slope.
Hey, if material things are more important to you than liberty, get the implant. I refused to sign a non-compete document when another company purchased the one I was working for back around 2003, everyone else signed saying things like "what if they fire us?" Well, fire away motherfucker, never had a problem finding a new job. Guess what? I didn't get fired or bound by some ridiculous agreement...
If they make this a requirement -- this will be a deal-breaker for me... I'll quit.
You're outright lying. I'm so far right it's not even funny. I loathe government equally with power-hungry corporations; both are the enemy of a free people. I will not allow myself or any family member to be chipped, and it has nothing to do with killing babies in the womb or homosexuals. Rather, it's a blatant and outright attack on personal sovereignty. It's trading freedom for security, and I remember good old Ben Franklin having a word or two about this very notion.
People are sheep. They will do what others do without much regard to their own best interests. I have a right to move freely without be tracked. Yes, I'm aware of vehicle cameras and building cameras, but these don't follow me everywhere I might go. Imagine being questioned for how many times you visit the toilet a day. What if the chips are tied into multiple databases and other places can read them and report back to your employer. I refuse to get the free annual physical my employer offers, because they want to borderline force everyone to get bloodwork for cholesteral, diabetes, etc, every year. I refuse. If it comes to the point where I have to choose between a job and being TOLD what to do, I'll happily leave and do something else. This being Texas, there are jobs everywhere. They might not be ideal, but a paycheck is better when you have an honorable employer, not one hell bent on controlling you on and off duty.
You obviously know nothing about the NHS - the idea that anyone can find a placement in a mental health unit is laughable.
I used to live next door to a Hospital. Once found a young woman politely asking the way to the duck pond across the road so she could kill herself [seriously]. My wife and I persuaded her to follow us back to the secure Mental Health ward. She had just walked out. When my wife [who was a Senior Nurse at said hospital] went somewhat off her tree at the staff, they didn't give a toss.
Not the first time that happened as well - a Kindergarten is more secure.
... or be involved in some process which will cause great pain.
I'd rather loose my job than be injected with a chip.
Since at least the 1970s I've been refusing to give my SS # to anybody who didn't have a legal authorization to demand it (i.e. banks, lenders, employers, tax preparers, etc.) If you haven't done this you have NO idea how hard it was to deal on those terms with health insurers, hospitals, and utilities in those decades.
So an implanted chip that gives out such an ID number to any radio requester? It is to laugh.
(Or cry.)
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Isn't the protection of body integrity one of the human rights?
If this becomes accepted practice we're in a high-tech version of medieval times.