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Ivanka Trump Used Personal Account For Emails About Government Business (washingtonpost.com)
The Washington Post is reporting that Ivanka Trump used a personal email account to send hundreds of emails last year to White House aids, Cabinet officials and her assistants. Many of the emails were "in violation of federal records rules," the report says. Ivanka's practices are reminiscent of the personal email account Hillary Clinton used as secretary of state. From the report: White House ethics officials learned of Trump's repeated use of personal email when reviewing emails gathered last fall by five Cabinet agencies to respond to a public records lawsuit. That review revealed that throughout much of 2017, she often discussed or relayed official White House business using a private email account with a domain that she shares with her husband, Jared Kushner. Some aides were startled by the volume of Ivanka Trump's personal emails -- and taken aback by her response when questioned about the practice. Trump said she was not familiar with some details of the rules, according to people with knowledge of her reaction. A spokesperson for Ivanka Trump's attorney and ethics counsel, Abbe Lowell, "acknowledged that the president's daughter occasionally used her private email before she was briefed on the rules, but he said none of her messages contained classified information," reports Washington Post.
"While transitioning into government, after she was given an official account but until the White House provided her the same guidance they had given others who started before she did, Ms. Trump sometimes used her personal account, almost always for logistics and scheduling concerning her family," he said in a statement. He went on to say that her email use was different than that of Clinton. "Ms. Trump did not create a private server in her house or office, no classified information was ever included, the account was never transferred at Trump Organization, and no emails were ever deleted," Mirijanian said.
"While transitioning into government, after she was given an official account but until the White House provided her the same guidance they had given others who started before she did, Ms. Trump sometimes used her personal account, almost always for logistics and scheduling concerning her family," he said in a statement. He went on to say that her email use was different than that of Clinton. "Ms. Trump did not create a private server in her house or office, no classified information was ever included, the account was never transferred at Trump Organization, and no emails were ever deleted," Mirijanian said.
Seems reasonable
I hate both parties. Both parties suffer from personality worship disorder. Some one needs to invent slime-antivirus to clean out DC.
Using personal email for work and vice-versa is something everybody does, even though it's often against some policy.
What matters is whether Classified information is being sent over unsecured links.
Some hearings should get to the bottom of this right quick
Yes. But with the whole Brexit brouhaha in the UK and increasingly authoritarian governments coming to fruition in several nations around the world we're hardly alone, unfortunately.
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"Ms. Trump did not create a private server in her house or office, ..."
How is using the Trump Organization's server any better than using one in her own home or office? In fact, it is likely worse, because there will be more people with administrative access, simply because it is a bigger organization.
The real "Libtards" are the Libertarians!
It must be so embarrassing to be American right now
It's really not.
"First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
Ivanka’s personal email is being hosted on a server running in Hillary Clinton’s basement.
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Ivanka is Trump's daughter who has an official government position. She should be subject to the same rules as other employees. The first lady is Melania Trump. That is another person entirely.
Tell me about it, she murdered my entire family back in 1997... including me.
Last I checked you cannot resign being the presidents dauther.
Since you don't know the difference between the wife and the daughter, (assuming there is one) we'll just take your opinion at face value.
Wife and daughter are not mutually exclusive positions.
of the emails. What I care about is that my public officials are using private email servers to get around public records requests.
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You must be part of that liberal tolerance I hear so much about. Congrats on upholding that stereotype.
She is a CIVILIAN. And her participation in the presidency is "Voluntary"
The Secretary of State is a civilian. And also a voluntary position.
Ivanka Trump is a Senior Adviser to the President, which is an official government position. Complete with all of us sending her a paycheck.
You can resign from your position of "Senior Advisor to the President", which is an actual job in the White House.
Nepotism, plain and simple.
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Even better question - why did you never complain about Michelle Obama having a high position in the white house driving policy and government edicts on her own?
Or are you just naturally hypocritical?
Except she has that job. She's currently receiving a paycheck for it, which she signs over to the Treasury.
https://slashdot.org/tag/clint... There were quite a few entries on the subject. Good research.
As long as she used the one in her home, I guess it would be ok?
I mean, at least half of you MUST think that's ok (or you're hypocrites).
The other half must condemn her for this (or you're hypocrites too).
-Styopa
IIRC, during the campaign it came out that the Trump Org. server was a Win 2000 box. (Democrats argued that's how it was obvious they were the ones targeted, cause Trump's would have been trivial to hack.) Further, there is pretty ample evidence that both China and Russia have been pinging machines in Trump Tower at least since he announced.
So, it's probably far less secure, and probably already compromised.
There's also the factor that the record laws about email were at least new when Hiliary was SOS; Ivanka had a year and half lesson on it from her dad and every newspaper.
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It is a HUGE mistake to think that Hillary Clinton or Ivanka Trump know anything about technology.
Hillary Clinton had a "private email server"? Is it sensible to think that a 71-year-old woman, in her late 60s back then, had ANY understanding of email servers?
The data suggests otherwise.
https://www.newsweek.com/donal...
You are welcome on my lawn.
Ivanka is Trump's daughter who has an official government position. She should be subject to the same rules as other employees. The first lady is Melania Trump. That is another person entirely.
Once upon a time Hyprocrisy mattered, didn't it? I mean even when a republican does it?
Off the top of my head:
Trump and his iphone.
Trump with Russians in the Oval Office.
Omarosa recording a conversation in what was almost undoubtably a closed and secure area.
Ivaka using private email.
Hell Comey had some private email.
Trump not keeping up on his briefings, which is arguably worse than the Iphone thing. If there is one thing worse than an intelligence leak, is intelligence that should have lead to action that didn't.
Trump lying about everything, after nicknaming people "Lying Ted" and similar. Hell he even said, with a straight face "I will never lie to you." Think about this. Obama said, "If you like your plan you can keep it," instead of "If you like your plan and it meets the new minimum coverage standards you can keep it," and they all but nailed him to a cross for years. Trump says, "I'm going to give you the best healthcare," and then he tries to destroy it, partly succeeds, and does nothing to replace it at all.
Trump saying he is great for the press, health care, African Americans, Mexicans, etc, and doing things that show the opposite.
Once upon a time hyprocrisy and lies mattered, but it doesn't seem to now. Very few have changed teams as a result. The Tribes are set. Sure a little movement happens, but mostly you just motivate both bases, with increasing hate and increasing devotion and/or fear. Hell Trump just talked smack about the guy in charge of getting Osama Bin Laden. The fox news article is, "RNC backs Trump attack on retired Navy Admiral William McRaven" In short, the republican national convention didn't repudiate him, they backed him up.
Trump's words there were, "He was a hillary/obama backer" That's it. For Trump backing the opposing party, even if its not true, is the same as what? Being evil? Being wrong? I don't get it.
It's clear that Trump has no decency, but shouldn't some other republicans stand up? It seems they are quite happy to walk down the nature trail to hell (road to authoritarian rule).
Yes, it is. It really is.
Well I don't want Donald Trump as a role model, either. That's irrelevant as to whether I'm embarrassed to be an American or not......all-in-all I'm really happy to be an American.
The president is never a good representation of America. At any given time, half the country thinks he's trying to become Hitler (or an anti-christ), and a good third of the rest of the population thinks he's a nice guy but a bit misguided.
"First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
After advising her father in an unofficial capacity for the first two months of his administration, she was appointed Advisor to the President, a government employee, on March 29, 2017. She takes no salary.[3] Prior to becoming a federal employee, she used a personal email for government work.
In other words, her e-mails were not an issue because she was not yet a Federal employee. But let's go ahead and consider that equivalent to the Secretary of State running a private server in her bathroom, and passing thousands of classified and Top Secret e-mails through it. By all means, show your hypocrisy!
After advising her father in an unofficial capacity for the first two months of his administration, she was appointed Advisor to the President, a government employee, on March 29, 2017. She takes no salary.[3] Prior to becoming a federal employee, she used a personal email for government work.
She did this BEFORE being a Government employee. In other words - it isn't an issue. Or can we toss you in prison because you may have e-mailed a Government official sometime? Even if you weren't a Government employee?
I'm about to eat a turkey and lots of good pie to celebrate my heritage, before heading out on a passport that is trusted and accepted in most of the world. What is there to be embarrassed about? It's a good country, as countries go. Even the complaints people have are mostly minor.....the vast, vast majority of us have healthcare, and most of us aren't racist. Working here is great, I have plenty of vacation, and can either work in a big city or afford a humongous house in a suburb (so big that some people get jealous of them and call them McMansions). I have my own preferences, but these are all options.
Just like I don't expect most Russians to be like Putin, most people in the world are accepting of Americans. America is not the only good country, maybe it's not even the best country (that depends how you measure, of course), but it's a good one. Sorry you feel embarrassed about your nationality, maybe you should see a psychologist about that, because you have issues (by definition).
"First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
anything with even the whiff of actual/potentical illegality the DEM, GOP, Intelligence, Media and Deep State establishments will destroy, convict and jail those family members and anyone else even remotely involved.
;)
That is guaranteed by the current state of affairs at the federal government level. The concepts of Political Ideology, Justice and Politics have merged and are now one with the accepted Group Think.
Honesty, Justice and Truth have no place in our current completely warped reality in Washington DC.
Don't get me wrong, If actual crimes were committed justice should be served.
Just my 2 cents
We're kinda used to it, Obama started the trend.
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I've been doing technology support for decades. Recently I have wanted to find someone to do some computer hardware maintenance. I contacted an association of computer consultants. I did not find a sufficiently competent person.
Does anyone think Hillary Clinton has ANY ability to understand ANYTHING about technology?
It seems to me that the problems could have been caused by less-than-competent government workers who do not know how to communicate clearly.
heading out on a passport that is trusted and accepted in most of the world. What is there to be embarrassed about?
Under Trump, U.S. Passport Value for Global Travel Is Plummeting
When all you have is a hammer, every problem starts to look like a thumb.
from Ross Perot. When I was a kid I thought he was an oil tycoon from how the media went on about him. Later I found out he made his billions cashing welfare checks. Literally. He got the contract to process the federal gov't's welfare checks and that's where all his money came from.
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they all did. She talked with Colin Powell about it. She knew it was wrong to store public documents and a private server. To her one and only credit she didn't throw Powell under the bus over it. But by then the media feeding frenzy was in full gear and her one and only noble gesture (taking responsibility for the whole fiasco) went nowhere.
Hilary is very, very intelligent. Not saying she uses that intelligence in the most upstanding manor. But make no mistake, her failing was arrogance, not stupidity.
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Last I checked, every senior government position is "voluntary". Any of then can resign at any time. Ivanka has still been acting in official capacities, even if she doesn't have an official title or office.
Remember when she plunked her widening ass down in daddy's chair at the G20 summit?
When all you have is a hammer, every problem starts to look like a thumb.
It will take a *minimum* of seven separate and mostly redundant congressional inquiries to get to the bottom of this! #POLITICALOUTRAGE am I doing it right @GOP?
imagine a soft, buttery paw gently pressing down onto a sleeping soldier's face. forever.
Prior to becoming a federal employee, she used a personal email for government work.[87]
Emphasis added. Not an issue. She wasn't a Federal employee when she used it - she literally had no way of using Federal e-mail account.
Ivanka didn't:
Set up a private email server in her own house the way Hillary did.
Send thousands of classified emails from said account.
Destroy thousands of pieces of evidence while under FBI investigation.
This is taking butthurt partisan false equivalencies to 11.
Hillary was co-President with BIll, they used to talk about a two-for-one deal if he was elected!
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It is if you want to know which bottle to put the polonium in, NPC.
Wait, her dad's campaign, which she was heavily involved with, beat the Clinton email thing nonstop. How could she possibly have been unaware of the rules?
It's clear that Trump has no decency, but shouldn't some other republicans stand up?
They have. Some rather vocally, too. Paul Ryan is retiring, for example, rather than deal with the shit storm. McCain was dying to get away from Trump. The problem is a lot of Republicans who opposed Trump felt it in the election: Ted Cruz literally hugged Trump to enable him to squeak by in a red state.
"First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
That's what makes these stories perfect. Either report on how someone outside of government had access to a government email account or how someone used a non-government account before and while transitioning into government. Report that the presidents wife Is illegally using government resources or that she didn't use them enough. Report that Trumps people are diplomatically inept and unwilling to take a perfectly reasonable meeting with Russia or report the scandal of how they were meeting with Russia... if you can flip a modern news story around and get just as bad of a scandal then it isn't news. And a lot of it isn't news. Evergreen quote: There's no way to rule innocent men. The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren't enough criminals one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws. Who wants a nation of law-abiding citizens? What's there in that for anyone? But just pass the kind of laws that can neither be observed nor enforced or objectively interpreted â" and you create a nation of law-breakers â" and then you cash in on guilt. Now that's the system, Mr. Reardon, that's the game, and once you understand it, you'll be much easier to deal with.
I wonder if they'll got full Clinton and start smashing hard drives and cell phones with actual hammers.
PS:
I fucking hate the Dems and Reps equally.
This is more than relevant because of how Trump trolls manufactured the original issue. Not to mention violently ironic. "To cover up her corrupt dealings." As a further embarrassment of the Trump crime family, this ranks right up there with Yeti Pubes.
When all you have is a hammer, every problem starts to look like a thumb.
Lok er UP!
Um. I know you're very busy getting all indignant and stuff, but if you have a minute, I'd like to point out that the Secretary of State is not an elected official. So your sentence makes no sense.
Jesus fucking wept, you people. Ivanka has an official position in the government. Chelsea Clinton and the Obama daughters did not.
Which happened after her emails from a private server, at least according to Newsweek.
Still a complete horseshit equivalency - even if she's been using private email since joining the White House staff. She's not an Original Classification Authority, the way Hillary was, trading in the highest levels of classified information as a part of her job. Nor has Ivanka set up her own private email server in Jared's house, nor has she used it exclusively.
Parties provide advantages for politicians. So even if you don't make parties part of your political system, the people voted in will arrange themselves into something that acts like political parties, those parties will form alliances and coalitions, and those coalitions will merge into two distinct groups, who will divide the population down the center.
As it is better that such things be regulated in some way, most countries make them part of the constitution, so their power is, to some extent, controlled.
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much less an elected government official. L
She's certainly not an elected official.
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And about her use of e-mail?
Prior to becoming a federal employee, she used a personal email for government work.[87]
Emphasis added. Not an issue. She wasn't a Federal employee when she used it - she literally had no way of using Federal e-mail account.
If she's not a federal employee why is she doing government work?
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I have to add to this: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/emails-show-nsa-rejected-hillary-clinton-request-for-secure-smartphone/
"...According to a summary of the meeting, the request was driven by Clinton's reliance on her BlackBerry for email and keeping track of her calendar. Clinton chose not to use a laptop or desktop computer that could have provided her access to email in her office..."
"...Mills also asked about waivers provided during the Bush administration to then-Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice for her staff to use BlackBerrys in their secure offices. But the NSA had phased out such waivers due to security concerns..."
Wow. So much hate, so little knowledge.
Hint: Ivanka is not and never has been married to Donald Trump.
Doesn't stop him from fucking her.
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And which she isn’t employed to meaning she’s not subject to the rules. Try again faggot.
So she's just just a person wandering the white house, talking to everyone, sending emails and doing whatever because shes the pres' kid and that's totally? Just because you might not be technically employed doesn't mean rules don't apply to you, especially there.
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Which happened after her emails from a private server, at least according to Newsweek.
Still a complete horseshit equivalency - even if she's been using private email since joining the White House staff. She's not an Original Classification Authority, the way Hillary was, trading in the highest levels of classified information as a part of her job. Nor has Ivanka set up her own private email server in Jared's house, nor has she used it exclusively.
Hillary was found to have sent 65 emails on topics deemed "Secret" and 22 deemed "Top Secret" but that all of them contained material that was particularly sensitive because the content of the emails discussed things that were at the time of writing available in the public domain, i.e. newspapers and it's kind of dumb to fault somebody for discussing secret things in non-secure emails that are already being discussed in newspapers. Some emails were also classified retroactively. Additionally several FBI investigations found that there was no cause for any kind of prosecution. Basically the whole Clinton emails scandal was a gigantic shitstorm over nothing. Having said that both Hillary Clinton and Ivanka Trump should use secure mail servers for all of their government related communications and particularly things like travel schedules and details about where they are planning to lodge since both of their privately operated servers seem to have been out of date and easy to hack. This could potentially be a problem for all kinds of reasons since obtaining advance details about travel plans and lodgings would be useful to anybody from assassins and terrorists to foreign intelligence services intent on gathering signals intelligence, i.e. planning to bug whatever apartments Ivanka is are staying at. I'm pretty sure that some of her shop-talk with both her husband and her father would be pretty interesting to any of a number of intelligence agencies listing in. Then there is simply the colossal hypocrisy of the whole thing due to the gigantic stink Ivanka's father raised over Hillary's e-mails.
Thank you, Hillary, for setting such a low standard and then getting away with it. It would be very hypocritical for Democrats to try to do anything about it now since they were so against doing anything about it when Hillary did it.
I rarely read replies, it's my opinion and if you thought about your opinion a little more, I'm OK with that.
Spoken like a typically ignorant American who has never been outside the US. You got yours, so everything is right with the world...
We (?, Russia?) elected a government full of old white guys who think it's just fabulous to take children away from their parents for the horrible crime of trying to get away from violence in their own countries. These same old white guys think it's OK to undo decades of protections from industrial pollution. Oh, yes, and because our rich folks (more old white guys, mostly) aren't rich enough, they should get tax breaks, even as the roads, bridges, and airports that helped them become so rich are falling apart because there isn't enough tax revenue to pay for maintenance and repairs. These old white guys who run things have convinced a large portion of the poorly educated population (no tax revenues for schools) that "truth isn't truth" and facts don't matter. These same old white guys think that a health care system designed to bankrupt people who happen to get sick or injured is a great idea.
Unfortunately, those old white guys, through their tax cuts and gerrymandering of election districts, have managed to perpetuate their rule by guaranteeing that the general population gets dumber every year. They've put a moron/maniac in charge who thinks that decades of work to prevent world wide conflict was all wasted and our friends are now enemies and our enemies now friends.
So yes, it is embarrassing to be American. I want people in other countries who read this to know that we aren't all as insane/stupid as your news programs must make us look. One day the pendulum will swing back the other way despite the GOPs attempts to tie it off to their side. Hopefully we'll be able to undo the damage that Trump has already and will continue to inflict on the US and the rest of the world.
You missed the double speak. Just because someone did something before X, does not mean they stopped doing so after X.
Anyone not still changing "lock her up" #ButHerEmails is a hypocrite. They were idiots before.. And probably hypocrites then too, but even more so now.
I'm sure Baron, who is great with the cyber, will resolve any complaints. Otherwise the rest of them are all grifters. Maybe Tiffany is excluded too, as the apparent pariah if that family she might not be trusted enough by the adults to be guilty.
Also.
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Can't that country afford a shirt for their leader yet?
One of the more pernicious lies from Democrats on this issue is that the emails weren't marked as classified so Hillary's server was A-Okay. Which is total Nazi bullshit, as much of those conversations would have been inherently classified. If Hillary received an email from the ambassador to India on the state of Pakistan's nuclear weapons program, that email didn't have to be stamped as "classified" for it to be considered as such. Which Hillary would have known, as she was given special training as an Original Classification Authority.
If the USG manages to get Edward Snowden in a snatch-and-grab, I hope he argues in court that his actions were A-Okay because none of the documents he leaked had a big Classified header when he copied them. If only so we can watch Hillbots go on trying to rationalize her incompetent bullshit.
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"Dismantling meritocracy is a step in the direction of both dismantling the patriarchy and the system of white supremacy."
So, it seems that Trump is very progressive. He is beating white supremacy and patriarchy by battling meritocracy... and what a greater example of battling meritocracy, when you apply nepotism, either with family, friends, comrades, e.t.c.
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Ivanka's practices are reminiscent of the personal email account Hillary Clinton used as secretary of state.
Oh?
"Ms. Trump did not create a private server in her house or office, no classified information was ever included, the account was never transferred at Trump Organization, and no emails were ever deleted," Mirijanian said.
Oh. So except for being different in every key particular, especially the classified information, it was reminiscent. I see.
Republic is the opposite of monarchy, not of democracy.
People like you will just handwave away anything and make any kind of justification you can right? I have no idea why anyone feels the need to defend Trump or his family sooooooo much. It's as if an attack on them is an attack on you personally. It's quite pathetic.
Which happened after her emails from a private server, at least according to Newsweek.
Still a complete horseshit equivalency - even if she's been using private email since joining the White House staff. She's not an Original Classification Authority, the way Hillary was, trading in the highest levels of classified information as a part of her job. Nor has Ivanka set up her own private email server in Jared's house, nor has she used it exclusively.
Which means that Hillary was able to declassify information related to the State Department and Ivanka is not able to declassify anything. What has that got to do with anything? If anything, that means that Hillary was less likely to run afoul of the law. Hillary should have gone to prison because her mail server contained classified material. Ivanka should go to prison because she specifically engaged in this activity AFTER a federal law was passed prohibiting it. Ignorance of the law is no justification for its violation. They should have warned her earlier. And she was a de facto senior advisor to the president even before she was officially given the title. She had an office in the white house, whether she was officially titled as an advisor or not she was, for all intents and purposes, a government official. She had to be to have an office in the white house.
There isn't much of a difference! In both cases, microsoft software was used. In both cases, sys admins had access to the email that did not have appropriate background checks, etc.
Whether the server is in the basement or in a data center, it's equally hackable.
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About her use of e-mail:
After advising her father in an unofficial capacity for the first two months of his administration, she was appointed Advisor to the President, a government employee, on March 29, 2017. She takes no salary.[3] Prior to becoming a federal employee, she used a personal email for government work.
In other words, her e-mails were not an issue because she was not yet a Federal employee. But let's go ahead and consider that equivalent to the Secretary of State running a private server in her bathroom, and passing thousands of classified and Top Secret e-mails through it. By all means, show your hypocrisy!
She had an office in the white house during that time. She was a government official whether the administration considered her to be one or not.
And you know this because Ivanka said so?
Or, you could recognize that "plummeting" is hyperbole, as a US passport is good for travel to just one less country than the "best" passport, which is Singapore.
What part of "shall not be infringed" is so hard to understand?
It is an issue because of the Federal Records Act.
They say that they preserved all government related e-mails and handed them over for records and only kept or deleted private e-mails, and that none of them were classified. But we don't know, since we have only their word, so we should lock her up. (see how that goes?)
you are one triggered snowflake. Why can't trumptards be consistent for a split second? hillary can burn in hell for all I care, but to be outraged about her usage of a private e-mail server, and then to immediately downplay ivanka's? you're making my job too easy; i don't have to do any work at all to point out your hypocrisy. it's always feels > reals from your corner though. the trumps don't give a flying fuck about keeping classified info safe. don't forget that trump is using an unsecured phone that is almost certainly being listened to https://www.nytimes.com/2018/1... . fuck off with that kys bullshit, you're a degenerate coward.
Let's not forget that Trump literally gave classified information directly to the Russians.
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2017/11/trump-intel-slip
"What the American public doesn't know is what makes them the American public." -Ray Zalinsky (Tommy Boy)
Billy boy's not the one who publicly admitted to wanting to breed with his own daughter pal. That was Donnie.
I'm planning a Kickstarter campaign to buy the Republicans a spine.
If Hillary can delete over 30k emails with bleachbit while under subpoena and have zero negative consequences ...
There were consequences. She didn't get the job she wanted - President. Instead she's been permanently demoted to hideous whiner.
Just as long as she wiped it afterward with a cloth.
You think jealousy is why people call them that? Personally speaking, I would never want to live in such a place, even if you gave it to me for free.
The name is more because so many of them are more or less interchangeable, built to the same generic aesthetic, akin to a generic burger being rolled out. Combine that with neighborhoods that have poor walkability and no character, and I'll take a hard pass, thanks. I much prefer my 1920s era bungalow in town. 1200 square feet is more than enough space for our little family of four.
Obviously, there are a large number of people who feel differently than me, but I'll never be neighbors with them. *shrug*
And Hillary Clinton had classified information on her personal computer and Huma Abedin's laptop in violation of the Espionage Act which is a felony.
The only reason Clinton is not indicated and convicted is because Comey prevented that from happening.
FYI Clinton did not have approval from the State Department to use her personal email server. Clinton lied when she said she did.
Keep pretending the two are the same.
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I tried every decent and legal way I could think of to resolve the issue w/the business before I rented the chicken suit
Clinton joked about 2 for 1. I seriously doubt that Hillary ever went full on foot stamping princess like Ivanka did. Hillary was a lawyer that graduated top of her class at Yale. Hillary had been involved in world class work as well as personally produced world class work in fields of law and child health. Hillary had been a law professor. Hillary had served as advisor for other people's (not her husband) political campaigns and administrations. The list of Hillary accomplishments goes on. Ivanka started a jewelry store that attempted to cash in on the Trump name after the presidency (illegal as hell) until it was shut down. Ivanka also got jobs on some of daddy's tv shows.
To attempt to compare the foot stamping princess to the hugely experienced, impressive and capable law professor is just plain brain dead.
It's clear that Trump has no decency, but shouldn't some other republicans stand up? It seems they are quite happy to walk down the nature trail to hell (road to authoritarian rule).
And this is where the republican party has lost me for the rest of my life. Until the current crop is dead and gone, there's nothing that is going to bring me back.
The lack of spine and decency is appalling. If you can't put country over party, that's unforgivable in my book. And other than one or two republicans, the entire party is doing that.
What's mindblowing to me is that it's only for very, very short-term gain. Long-term, the republican party is dead demographically. Check out the op-ed from the former vice chair of the CA republican party: Why One Prominent California Republican Has Declared The GOP Dead In Her State. That's the first domino, and it won't take too many more to make the republican party nothing more than a disruptive minority.
The US already slipped below 50% of the babies being born white. There's no path forward for the republican party relying as they have on on toxic racism (and sexism) to secure their base. "There are very fine people on both sides" doesn't play well in the non-white demographics that are soon going to be a majority in the US. If the republicans can't purge and pivot in time for the next generation to see value in their platform, they are done. At the moment, they're making a lot more lifelong democrats than they are making lifelong republicans.
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I never once mentioned anyone else or compared severity to anyone else. Besides that you are advancing a lie. She absolutely did so while operating as a US official. You idiots keep telling lies to yourselves repeatedly in the hopes that it will become the truth. You are in for many disappointments.
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Please give me a couple of links to the facts you supposedly have.
"I don't think Ivanka would do that inside the magazine [pose for Playboy] although she does have a very nice figure. I've said if Ivanka weren't my daughter perhaps I'd be dating her."
More: https://www.elitedaily.com/p/9...
Oh yeah, and this:
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You said, "Hilary is very, very intelligent."
Please give an example of Hillary Clinton being intelligent. She handled the 2012 Benghazi attack in an extremely weak manner. People pretended she was responsible, but the head of an organization doesn't know everything that happens in an organization, and is not responsible for everything lower-level people do.
Also, intelligence does not mean knowledge of technology. What benefit would anyone think would come to her for installing a private server?
"Ms. Trump did not create a private server in her house or office, no classified information was ever included, the account was never transferred at Trump Organization, and no emails were ever deleted,"
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This is "reminiscent of the personal email account Hillary Clinton used as secretary of state"...? Is that a joke? Ivanka holds no office and has no access to secure intelligence or classified operational data whereas Hillary compromised national security through the use of her personal server. Using a private mail server is nothing new, it's been done by officials of all types for decades... the transgressive distinction with Hillary's mail is not that she used a private server but what data she passed through that private server.
I realize that it's tradition here to ignore citations, but if you'd read the link I provided you will see that the US is actually ahead of the UK (by a whopping one country). We're talking about distinctions so small that normal people don't give a rats ass about them (which of course is why that when it comes to a political argument, these small distinctions are magnified by orders of magnitude and we get words like "plummeting.")
What part of "shall not be infringed" is so hard to understand?
Why is this even noteworthy?
If Ms Clinton can do the email thing so epically and deliberately wrong, with classified etc info flying about with nairy a care, then this Trump spawnâ(TM)s acts arenâ(TM)t worth much more time than it took to make this comment.
A lot of people are jealous, yes.
"First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
So you're just going to ignore the "if Ivanka weren't my daughter" part, and say he wants to breed with his daughter?
Un-huh. That is a special kind of stupid.
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As long as you don't forget that it was already public knowledge, and that Trump is literally the person that gets to decide what is and is not classified.
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What's mindblowing to me is that it's only for very, very short-term gain. Long-term, the republican party is dead demographically
I hear that, but it discounts how quickly parties can pivot.
Furthermore, it discounts how religious and conservative a lot of latino immigrants actually are. If repubs ever manage to convince them that they aren't racist, they easily could become repub voters.
"First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
Spoken like a typically ignorant American who has never been outside the US. You got yours, so everything is right with the world...
I've been to more countries than you, spent more time outside the US than you, and speak more languages than you. Unfortunately, you are an ignoramus.
"First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
Meanwhile, in America, we had an election where the Election Supervisor couldn't even tell a judge how many ballots had been cast several days after the election.
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Any man that ISN'T a complete chauvinist, would never say something like this about his daughter. BTW, he didn't say he'd marry her, just date her. To me that signifies sex only. I'd cringe all the same had he said, "Yeah man, I'd eat that pussy, if she wasn't my daughter."
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"If she's not a federal employee why is she doing government work?"
Good point. It usually works the other way around (government employees not doing any work). If we only had more government workers like her, our budget problems would be solved!
And that folks is why we know there are no secret aliens. If Trump had access to that information he's spill it in a heartbeat
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So you're just going to ignore the "if Ivanka weren't my daughter" part, and say he wants to breed with his daughter?
The contortions you Trump apologists twist yourself into to explain away the behaviours of your Dear Leader never cease to amaze me.
Trump is creepy AF when it comes to how he talks about Ivanka, how he finds her sexy, and how he'd date her if she wasn't his daughter.
No normal father talks that way about his daughter.
Do you HONESTLY expect me to believe that if Obama said:
I've said if Sasha weren't my daughter, perhaps I'd be dating her. Isn't that terrible? How terrible? Is that terrible?
Yeah, Sasha's really something, and what a beauty, that one. If I weren't happily married and, ya know, her father...
You'd be completely fine with it?
Domain = server? My local church has a google account with a private domain name, does that mean they have their own server? No, of course not.
Ivanka had a private email account with a private domain name, and during the transition period occasionally used private email to discuss her personal schedule for a short period of time (handful of months).
Hillary hired a consultant, bought hardware and software, and refused to EVER login to her official email account, conducting her official duties via her server for 4 years, then took 2 years to turn over selected work emails to the government, avoiding all oversight, retention, and FOIA requests.
Seems about equal.
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Donald Trump is dumb as a blade of grass, but he's tremendously charismatic. Trump could have gotten away with Benghzi. He'd have said the same things, done the same things, and none of it would stick. Keep in mind Trump called getting an STD from sleeping around his Vietnam and got out of the war by claiming bone spurs while playing sports. Nothing sticks to him because he's got Charisma.
Point is, intelligence is not the same thing as Charisma.
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Furthermore, it discounts how religious and conservative a lot of latino immigrants actually are.
That's largely a myth, as far as I can tell. They are culturally religious, not evangelical, and generally not that conservative. I once thought this way too, but more and more I'm finding that it seems to be more of a stereotype than reality. If you come from a poor, sparsely educated country, you tend to be conservative and religious. But once you get some education and some wealth, that tends to get cured fast.
Religion doesn't mean shit when it comes to politics if one party has historically shit on your culture. Non-white voters are solidly ~70% democratic voters at the moment. And if you look at latinos, they're more religious than whites, but less religious than African-Americans. Not exactly good news if republicans think that somehow religious latinos will save them.
Not that republicans can have any claim of being righteous, either. Their entire platform is essentially being the antichrist. It's actually mindblowing how many religious folks can map the republican platform onto their religion, when they two couldn't be further apart.
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The title âoeFearâ was from a direct quote from Trump with regards how he motivates people. Your criticisms are fair as they are in fact for Trumpâ(TM)s conduct and approach to governance and management.
Probably what will ultimately happen is the parties will figure out a way to rebalance their platforms and still win about half the votes, the way they have always done.
"First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
1) Hillary saying she declassified the information so it was okay files in the face of her excuse that it was okay because the emails weren't marked classified at the time. Which was a big bald-faced lie that she and her supporters made because much of that information is inherently classified. If the SoS receives an email from the ambassador to India on the state of Pakistan's nuclear weapons program, that email doesn't have to be stamped by some flunky as "classified" for it to be treated as such.
2) Are you arguing that she wasn't mishandling classified information, because the act of mishandling it made it declassified? David Petraus, who was prosecuted for sharing state secrets with his mistress, would be fascinated by your idea and would like to subscribe to your newsletter.
It has EVERYTHING to do with it. Partisan hacks are making ass clowns out of themselves by comparing Ivananka using private email for a month to Hillary mishandling classified information on her home server for years.
Uh huh. If you want to make that argument, knock yourself out. But don't pretend it's in the same universe as Hillary's email server. You wouldn't want to make an ass clown out of yourself, would you?
I have no idea why some people think that calling out deranged BS targeted at X means you are an X supporter. If you told a Birther that he was an idiot for claiming Obama's parents planted a fake birth announcement in a Hawaiian newspaper because they knew 45 years in advance that he might run for president, does that mean you were a big fan of his drone strikes on children?
And yes, comparing Ivanka using a private email account for a month to Hillary mishandling classified information for years on an unsecured, unauthorized server is utterly deranged.
Having a functional bullshit detector - and comparing Ivanka using a private email account for a month to Hillary mishandling classified information for years on a private email server is complete and utter bullshit - doesn't make one a Trump supporter. Not anymore than you calling BS on the Birthers meant you loved Obama's drone strikes on children.
So take this drooling rant about unthinking partisan hacks to the nearest mirror, where it belongs.
I never mentioned Hillary you fucking idiot. But since you did, what she did is far worse than what Hillary did, because she didn't know it was wrong and didn't run on a campaign based in large part on saying how wrong it was. Off you go now fucktard ...
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That excuse from Democratic partisans contains more dishonesty than an entire years worth of Trump speeches and tweets, as much of that email correspondence would have been inherently classified. If Hillary sent or received an email from the ambassador to South Korea on the status of North Korea's nuclear weapons program, it didn't have to be stamped "classified" to be treated as such. As one of a few Original Classification Authorities, Hillary received special training on this and knows full well that the "they weren't marked classified" was pure sophistry and misdirection.
If the United States manages a snatch-and-grab on Snowden, I hope his defense team goes on network news to claim with a straight face that his actions were OK because the copies of documents he took didn't have a nice red 'classified' stamp on the front.
Which was an additional pantload. Comey stated her actions were illegal but wasn't going to press charges because she didn't intend to mishandle classified information. It's a pantload because the government DGAF about your intent, only whether or not you did it. The contemporary case of Kristian Saucier puts this lie to bed - a sailor who served a year in prison, after being prosecuted by the DOJ for taking unauthorized selfies on his unsecured cell phone while on a sub. Even though the DOJ agreed he showed no intent in his actions.
If Hillary Clinton were Hillary Johnson, she would have been serving an effective life sentence for mishandling far larger amounts of far more classified information on her unsecured, unauthorized server. With another decade on top for obstruction of justice - deleting evidence while under active FBI investigation.
1) Hillary saying she declassified the information so it was okay files in the face of her excuse that it was okay because the emails weren't marked classified at the time. Which was a big bald-faced lie that she and her supporters made because much of that information is inherently classified. If the SoS receives an email from the ambassador to India on the state of Pakistan's nuclear weapons program, that email doesn't have to be stamped by some flunky as "classified" for it to be treated as such.
I am not saying that Hillary was justified in any of the things she did. But she certainly had the power and authority to deem things unclassified and Ivanka does not. This means that if Ivanka did anything that might remotely be classified she's got absolutely no excuse whatsoever for having engaged in the act. Hillary potentially had wiggle room that Ivanka cannot possibly have. So your argument makes zero sense and that is why I am saying it has nothing to do with anything in this comparison. You're being a partisan hack making an assclown out of yourself trying to justify Ivanka's violation of the law by saying that it is somehow better than Hillary's violation of the law.
And since you appear to be particularly obtuse let me make it clear to you: Hillary Clinton's use of a private email server was not a direct violation of the law when she did it. It was only a violation of the law if (and we all know it did) it had improperly handled classified information. After Hillary did this, the federal government passed a law making it explicitly illegal to do exactly what Ivanka did regardless of the content of the emails. Is clear enough for you or do I need to try to dumb it down to preschool vocabulary so that you can actually comprehend what is going on instead of trying to make excuses. Hillary and Ivanka have both violated the law and ought to be on probation with their civil rights removed at the very least. I would prefer that they both be in federal prison, where they belong.
2) Are you arguing that she wasn't mishandling classified information, because the act of mishandling it made it declassified? David Petraus, who was prosecuted for sharing state secrets with his mistress, would be fascinated by your idea and would like to subscribe to your newsletter.
Where did you get this foolish idea that I was trying to argue anything in favor of Hillary? All I stated was that Hillary had more discretion of classified material than Ivanka ever has. I then indicated what laws were enforceable at the time that each of them mishandled emails. You are bat shit insane.
What has that got to do with anything?
It has EVERYTHING to do with it. Partisan hacks are making ass clowns out of themselves by comparing Ivananka using private email for a month to Hillary mishandling classified information on her home server for years.
Uh huh. If you want to make that argument, knock yourself out. But don't pretend it's in the same universe as Hillary's email server. You wouldn't want to make an ass clown out of yourself, would you?
Why would I pretend that Ivanka's use of private email is in the same universe as Hillary Clintons? They are not comparable, as I've mentioned because one's use was explicitly a crime and the other's was not, in and of itself, a crime. Therefore the only person trying to make any sort of comparison between the two is you. And why are you doing that? Because you're a partisan assclown, just as you're accusing me of being. I don't like either one of those jackasses. But we can all see that you had to climb up from your spot under Trump's desk to take a moment to shill on his behalf. I hope he was kind enough to buy you a pair of knee pads.
So Petraus should be given his job back at the CIA? You're sidestepping both 1) and 2). This whole declassification tangent - which would be news to Hillary and her circle as she's never claimed to have declassified those emails - is a red herring anyway. Just as much her emails were inherently classified, using an unsecured unauthorized server was inherently mishandling classified information. Her network administrator didn't even have a security clearance FFS.
I'm a socialist that would see every living president, CIA or State Department official in the Hague for war crimes, so good luck trying to fuck that chicken. It's called having a functioning bullshit detector, and objecting to bullshit no matter who the target is or who's dishing it out. Try it some time.
But of course it is. Undeniably and indisputably so. By equating one month of private email use in a non-classified position to years of a private email server and highly classified information, you're only insulting your own intelligence here. This is as absurd as complaining that petty vandalism is being treated as a less serious issue than a prolific serial killer.
Willfully obtuse much? Equating the two is the entire purpose of this "story". And you keep comparing the two while you're protesting that the two aren't comparable. Let's cut to the chase here and use the same scenario but with a couple of name and date substitutions. Say it was Republicans freaking out at the news that Michelle Obama used a private email account for. one. god. damned. month. for White House affairs in 2009 before getting a government email address. You and every other person wearing holes in Ivanka's fainting couch would be laughing them out of the room.
For.
One.
God.
Damned.
Month.
If this was all a big scheme for Ivanka to do government business on a private email account to avoid prying eyes, it was as piss poor a plan as Putin being crafty enough to get a WWE character elected president but yet so stupid that he couldn't anticipate any blowback.
Hillary is the only reason this is a story and anyone is having a conversation here - shit for brains. Hillary is all three legs of a three legged stool.
A single month of a private account in a non-classified position is "far worse" than years of a private server dealing with highly classified information? Way to make an ass clown out of yourself, bucko. And of cooooooourse Hillary knew what she was doing was wrong AF. Not only was she was given extra training as a top official on the need for security, she blasted the Bush Administration for its use of private email accounts a mere two years before starting her own private server. So watch this and get a vasectomy before you contaminate the gene pool.
Obviously you are sexually frustrated knowing that you'll never get the chance to suckle on Trump's tiny eleventh finger.
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I would see Trump in the Hague next to Obama for war crimes, so good luck with your projection. Anymore dipshittery? No more arguing that an unpaid federal position using a private account for one. god. damned. month. is a more serious issue than one of the top cabinet posts doing so for years?
Again, Ivanka is far, far worse. ... and you are one phenomenally stupid motherfucker for being too stupid to understand why.
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So at this point you're just engaging in willful dumbfuckery, taken to 11. Because that's what it takes to pretend one. goddamned. month. of non-classified work is "far, far worse" than years of correspondence at the highest levels of classified information.
You are a fucking idiot. Hillary did what she did before the new rules and didn't realize she was wrong. Trump's girlfriend knew what she was doing was wrong, and quite *hypocritically* called for Hillary to go to jail for unknowingly doing what Ivanka subsequently did quite knowingly. Wipe the drool of your keyboard dumbfuck.
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