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Democrats Intend To Probe Ivanka Trump's Use of Personal Email In Next Congress (go.com)
An anonymous reader quotes a report from ABC News: Amid reports that first daughter and White House senior advisor Ivanka Trump exchanged hundreds of official government business emails using a personal email account, top Democrats on Capitol Hill "want to know if Ivanka complied with the law" and in the next Congress plan to continue their investigation of the Presidential Records Act and Federal Records Act. Rep. Elijah Cummings, the ranking Democrat who's in line to become the next chairman of the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee next year, promises any potential investigation into Jared Kushner and Ivanka Trump's emails won't be like the "spectacle" Republicans led in the Clinton email probe.
The Oversight committee has jurisdiction over records and transparency laws, and Cummings helped write an update to the Presidential and Federal Records Acts that was signed into law by President Barack Obama in 2014. That measure mandates that every federal employee, including the President, forward any message about official business sent using a private account to the employee's official email account within 20 days. "We launched a bipartisan investigation last year into White House officials' use of private email accounts for official business, but the White House never gave us the information we requested," Cummings, D-Md., noted. "We need those documents to ensure that Ivanka Trump, Jared Kushner, and other officials are complying with federal records laws and there is a complete record of the activities of this Administration. My goal is to prevent this from happening again -- not to turn this into a spectacle the way Republicans went after Hillary Clinton. My main priority as Chairman will be to focus on the issues that impact Americans in their everyday lives."
The Oversight committee has jurisdiction over records and transparency laws, and Cummings helped write an update to the Presidential and Federal Records Acts that was signed into law by President Barack Obama in 2014. That measure mandates that every federal employee, including the President, forward any message about official business sent using a private account to the employee's official email account within 20 days. "We launched a bipartisan investigation last year into White House officials' use of private email accounts for official business, but the White House never gave us the information we requested," Cummings, D-Md., noted. "We need those documents to ensure that Ivanka Trump, Jared Kushner, and other officials are complying with federal records laws and there is a complete record of the activities of this Administration. My goal is to prevent this from happening again -- not to turn this into a spectacle the way Republicans went after Hillary Clinton. My main priority as Chairman will be to focus on the issues that impact Americans in their everyday lives."
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Laws are rules for the court, but merely a bottom bar to hit for life. Think beyond laws in your actions always.
"Rep. Elijah Cummings, the ranking Democrat who's in line to become the next chairman of the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee next year, promises any potential investigation into Jared Kushner and Ivanka Trump's emails won't be like the "spectacle" Republicans led in the Clinton email probe'
BWAAHHHAAAHHHAHHAAA!!! Yeah right. If there are Vegas odds on this, I bet it's 9:1 that it will be a huge spectacle.
It will be fun.
Good to know that Democrats now care about this issue. Too bad there's poor equivalency between the President's daughter using personal email and the Secretary of State running a server out of her basement with the obvious intent to keep email off the record (as evidenced by the Secretary destroying said emails).
To be clear, it's not necessarily a crime that a private server existed, or that it was used for official business. Usually, any criminal statutes require knowledge and intent of the crime being committed.
For example, even if there is classified information on this server, that would be a security violation, but not a crime unless someone intended to mishandle the information. Just because someone "should have known better" does not actually mean they're guilty.
How about we focus on fixing the violations, get everything into compliance, and move on with business as usual, eh? Just like we should have done with Clinton's incident...
You do not have a moral or legal right to do absolutely anything you want.
Lock her up! Lock her up!
Wait. Donald why aren't you shouting along?
Why is it at least 1/3rd of the stories on this site are basically just ORANGE MAN BAD. It's fucking exhausting.
Everyone keeps comparing this to what Hillary did. Not sure why.
She was using a non-government account for government business. Hillary set us her own email sever in an unoccupied house and transferred classified information on to it.
These things are not comparable.
It's not our fault that you are too much of a millennial imbecile to read and understand what's on your monitor.
Try watching less Fox "News" because it's making you retarded.
Ivanka Trump is a Senior Adviser to the White House, who gets a nice taxpayer paycheck. She is not "just the President's daughter".
We're about to see how well the "just the president's child" works for Don Jr.
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There was classified material on her home brew server.
Not just secret but top secret and SCM (special compartmentalized information).
She willfully did this to hide all the selling of access through the state department all the criminal deals benefiting the Clinton foundation, like Bill getting a half million bucks for a "speech" in Russia (of all places- oh the irony), and the corruption with the Uranium One deal. That's whys she had to wipe the server with Bleachbit, to hid their crimes. And there are reports (including one from a congressman on the comittee) that asserts the Chinese got copies of each of her e-mails in real time !
And to more corruption evidence, Obama knew of the secret server used for official business, as he got e-mails from that address !
She had years of training on classified, Ivanka not.
And not by Trump
I can't seem to find the goddamn OFF button somewheres here...
Lock her up!!!
Lock her up!!!
Lock her up!!!
I've abandoned my search for truth; now I'm just looking for some useful delusions.
Fair is fair.
Just as stupid as her father.
I'd love to probe Ivanka Trump! HIYOOOOOOOOOOOO!
Fuck off idiot. You left wing assholes are going to get burned in 2020. Trust me.
Final answer, Trump and family dies in Federal Prison. Enjoy!
and go after him for violations of the emoluments clause. Then we can worry about little things like this. I don't want political theater designed to keep Clinton Democrats busy, I want the rule of law restored.
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Pretty sure handing over the House to the Democrats was a Trump operation. After all, they only just barley took it over so it can easily be reversed next election.
On top of that while no-one was noticing, the Republicans gained three more senate seats so replacing RPG will be even easier and almost ensures they will maintain control of the Senate even through the next election cycle.
While the Senate and Trump do what they like, the House will be spending the next two years in a competition for most insane and pointless Demagoguery, which is what they have been building up for - going to be pretty amusing to watch!
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If absolutely nothing happened to her Majesty ( Hillary ) for the crap she pulled, how can they possibly make any demands here ?
Also, last I checked, The First Lady, unlike the Secretary of State, has zero impact on official government affairs.
My guess is they simply want to use it as leverage in case someone ever decides to hold Hillary reaponsible for something ( LOL ).
Like that will ever happen.
Clinton moved classified data from a secured network to a public one. That is a felony. Still waiting to see what Trump did. To equate the two is flat out wrong
Hillary has been ordered to testify under oath about her email server.:
Hillary Clinton must answer more questions under oath regarding her emails...
One could almost say that dragging up year-old news that Ivanka used a private email address a few times but stopped when told and never lied about it is merely whataboutism from the media, still trying to cover for Hillary:
Sept. 25, 2017
WASHINGTON — At least six of President Trump’s closest advisers occasionally used private email addresses to discuss White House matters, current and former officials said on Monday.
The disclosures came a day after news surfaced that Jared Kushner, the president’s son-in-law and adviser, used a private email account to send or receive about 100 work-related emails during the administration’s first seven months. But Mr. Kushner was not alone. Stephen K. Bannon, the former chief White House strategist, and Reince Priebus, the former chief of staff, also occasionally used private email addresses. Other advisers, including Gary D. Cohn and Stephen Miller, sent or received at least a few emails on personal accounts, officials said.
Ivanka Trump, the president’s elder daughter, who is married to Mr. Kushner, used a private account when she acted as an unpaid adviser in the first months of the administration, Newsweek reported Monday. ...
Just charge both Hillary and Ivanka now with violating Espionage Act and be done with it already. Let the chips fall where they may.
they just want to probe her
So its better that Ivanka used an email host that other parties had access to?
Humorously it is actually better in two ways (at least):
1) Since Ivanka is not dealing with classified emails, it's better if other parties can have access to that, vs. the other parties of Hillarys server (including a non-government admin and every hacker from St Petersburg to Shanghai).
2) In fact it is outright better that third parties have access to Ivanka's emails because they are SUPPOSED TO - remember a big part of the deal was Hillary was hiding her emails from any records retention, and indeed many thousands of emails were destroyed and unrecoverable by her hench-people.
Other people are SUPPOSED TO be able to see Ivanka's emails.
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Yes, she was. The emails were sent in 2017. She's been a Senior White House adviser on the government payroll since January 22, 2017. She used her personal email to conduct White House business throughout 2017.
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I am a bit unsure about much of what you write.
Trump is not popular. Yes, in the last strecth of time he has started to be comparable to previous presidents (he is not doing that much worse than the least popular of them), but he has only ever been better off than one president in net approval at the samepoint in their presidency (to be direct, he has been more popular than Truman 3 months in total or so, so far).
It was a blue wave, for any reasonable definition. They got the 3rd greatest election (in vote margin) since 92 and the democrats are typically worse in midterms.
Numbers from https://fivethirtyeight.com/fe...
and https://projects.fivethirtyeig...
Trump is going to treat the House the same way the obamanation did.
Maybe two, maybe three. One is at a runoff. But the Democrats won the majority of seats up for grabs this year. Keep in mind, they had half their Senate seats up for election, the republicans only had 25%. And, in 2020 it's reversed. Esp. since Collins and a lot of other moderate Republicans are up. I imagine a democratic senate is likely to show up.
Now, you're right about RBG's replacement, if that happens. But it doesn't seem to matter. They already put whomever on the court.
You also don't seem to understand that the whole House stands for election, so the margin this year doesn't really matter for next year. But, the home of Nixon and Reagan went blue for the first time in a century.
You mean, aside from pass laws. Yeah, they can fuck up the judiciary, but other than that they're pretty unable to effect change.
Trump just isn't a stunning genius. His skill is media manipulation and flooding the zone. And yes, Dems shouldn't swing at this. It's not important.
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If this were a company, these idiots would be fired. It's clear they're so use to ignoring the rules they're going to do it anyway. What immediate punishment can US citizens inflict on these people that will actually stick?
The cracks are starting to show in the Democrat armor. This kind of insanity must be highly contagious!
The Dems rolled over for the first few years Obama was in office and didn't go after Bush II for his crimes, they played nice and lost Congress. Hopefully the Dems in the house have learned that lesson and will payback the current administration for the 25 years of character assassination the Pugs have been pulling since Willie was in office.
Maybe they will even go back and look at the treason of Drug Lord Bush I.
LOL.
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Yeah, the mid-terms were just a taste of what's going to happen to the Democrats.
You attribute way too much to Trump.
He lives by one simple rule: whatever happens, he will exploit it and then pretend it was what he wanted all along. If he'd lost the presidency, he was all set to pivot to opening his own media channels, and I don't doubt he'd then have claimed that his presidential run was basically a publicity stunt (which quite a few people said it was anyway).
Watch how he reacts to things. Caravan of migrants? Publicity! Wildfires? Attack depts he wants cut! Khashoggi murder? Opportunity to paint Democrats as wanting to destroy jobs! He didn't engineer any of these things, he doesn't want them to happen, but since they persist in happening anyway he knows how to turn them to his advantage. That's his greatest skill. And now he's going to encourage the Democrats to make themselves look ridiculous with this "probe", and by association to discredit the much more serious Mueller probe that he actually is worried about. Just watch.
You do realize that 538 had to invent literally millions of votes in order to match their pre-election predictions, right?
If you go by the votes cast on election day - a weird thing to have to say, but there you have it - the "blue wave" never showed up. It was a blue trickle. Only by adding literally millions of votes - and I do mean literally, the total number of votes has magically swelled from 48 million to 60 million - can you pretend there was a "blue wave."
Otherwise it was a fairly sedate year.
They got burned in 2018. It was one of the weakest midterm flips of all time. Typically the midterms flip HARD against the new President's party.
The margins for this year vs. 2020 absolutely matter for both the house and the senate.
Why? Because 2020 is a Presidential election year. More people will vote, and the candidates will be more aligned with their parties and the parties will work to support their respective candidates. Trump, being the incumbent, will be very hard to defeat, so his party will have a huge advantage.
Maybe two, maybe three. One is at a runoff. But the Democrats won the majority of seats up for grabs this year.
They were expected to win more than they did.
But it doesn't seem to matter. They already put whomever on the court.
No, the Republicans put carefully considered and middle of the road SC candidates forward - because they thought it mattered and were expecting rational debate. Now they know none of that is true so expect the next candidate to really be a far right option, thanks to what the Democrats did to the very middle of the road candidates the Republicans offered. That is why what the Democrats did was tactically insane.
You also don't seem to understand that the whole House stands for election
I don't think you understand what *I* am saying relies on exactly that point. After two years of utter Democratic lunacy on open display what do you think will happen to the whole House? It will be savage, absolutely savage for the Democrats next election if they do even just the things they are promising to do.
You mean, aside from pass laws. Yeah, they can fuck up the judiciary, but other than that they're pretty unable to effect change.
Ha ha ha you think law is the only way to effect change. HA HAH AHAH HA HAAH PHOHAH AHAH HA H AHHA AH AH AHAHA HAHA HAH AH AH AH A AH AHHAHA HA HAH.
Trump just isn't a stunning genius. His skill is media manipulation and flooding the zone
As they say, in the land of the blind... and Trump is in the land of politicians.
But Trump doesn't have to be a genius for any of what I say to come to pass. The Democrats just have to be complete idiots, which they have managed to show they can in fact hold to for years in a row now, with only acceleration along that vector evident. They appear to have zero sense of what effective long term tactics would be.
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For one, H was not properly trained on security matters. She somehow missed the class(es). She had a "briefing", but a briefing is not the formal class.
And many legal documents use "(c)" to mean a sequential list (a, b, c, d, etc.). See link below.
I don't know who to blame for her missing the class, but typically I would NOT hold a CEO responsible for mis-managing a security training roster. The head of security should probably be held accountable. They should have a tracking system in place. Jail that guy.
Second, a personal server is not necessarily worse than a hosted service like GMAIL or AOL. I've seen no solid studies saying it is; and H shouldn't be expected to know the tech nitty gritty of that debate anyhow. Her job was diplomacy, not IT. (Quality generally depends on the skill and dedication of the server admins, not the box location.)
Third, usage of an outside email service/server was NOT outright prohibited at the State Department. However, she was technically supposed to get approval for such first. Not getting approval is not a felony since it's a policy manual, not law. I'm sure I violate the letter of our org's policy manual all the time without knowing it.
"(c)" example: https://leginfo.legislature.ca....
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that this is allowed, if not expected. Moreover, the Trump family could easily destroy all the evidence during the investigation.
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Re: "Everyone keeps comparing this to what Hillary did. Not sure why."
Really? You can't see why people compare this? Hillary's e-mail was a key election issue, and it was so because the Republicans made it that way. So now a government employee, in the White House, misuses e-mail, and you can't see the connection.
You've moved the goalposts again and thus revealed your hypocrisy. "Ivanka's use of e-mail is totally not the same as Hillary's use of e-mail!"
By your claim, a story about a dog is different than a story about a dog with fleas. Only the fleas are different, but you can't see the difference. Huh.
I'll bet that if Chelsea Clinton, in a Hillary Clinton presidency, had done this, you'd be going apeshit. If you cannot be honest about that then you are a hack and a partisan.
The fact people using administration messaging systems can receive messages from arbitrary Internet domains via comically insecure SMTP at will is what congress should be investigating.
Not according to polls. And not according to history. I mean, you have to go back to Nixon's impeachment^W resignation to get a similar bump.
They're just drawing them from the Heritage Foundation list. That's all that's going to happen. And, I'm not sure who you think sits to the far-right compared to these people.
Now, maybe Trump tries to put his sister on the court, if he thinks he can push that through.
Well, we can definitely agree on this.
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I am of the Mind AS long as the Dem's are going to investigate Clinton at the Same time That would be Okay but I am sure they want the Cake and get to Eat it to, It is only Wrong if the Other Party is doing it.
... turn about is fair play! Let's leak those emails!!! For the lols and great justice!
If your for going after Ivanka - you MUST be in favor or going back after Hillary. Or your a FUCKING Hippocrate! They both basically did the same thing. Granted Hillary did it much worse! But both are criminal!
LOCK THEM BOTH UP!
It only proves BOTH parties are criminal and need to be expelled from government. Both the Democrats AND Republicans should be expelled - and no longer allowed to run our government in ANY fashion!
The Truth is a Virus!!!
Sometimes I think the founders designed the systen to keep the bossy people busy arguing so they couldn't actually effectively boss the rest of us around. It took over 200 years for them to manage to become really bothersome.
I don't think the penalty for violation of the Federal Records Act is life in prison... it's probably just a fine that she can easily afford to pay.
I've abandoned my search for truth; now I'm just looking for some useful delusions.
They're just drawing them from the Heritage Foundation list. That's all that's going to happen.
No, that is all that DID happen. And since they were savaged for those moderate candidates, they next one can be off-script. I wouldn't imagine Trump is prone to stick to a script for very long!
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Nobody in Washington has any.
I had wondered why Trump didn't pursue Hillary further but he's going to let the Progressives create the framework.
How are Democrats going to justify investigating Ivanka's use of personal email while ignoring Hillary's personal server that contained classified information?
Democrats are dumber than I thought.
You are,truly and by far, a complete fucking idiot. In 2020 there's 21 GOP seats up compared to only 11 DNC. In 2022 another 22 GOP seats compared to 11 DNC. Seriously, do you even have a functioning brain cell left?
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Uh huh and who was it that said Never let a crisis go to waste?
Hypocrites are so fun to highlight.
So, she worked as a Senior Adviser for nine months last year, during which she conducted White House business via a personal email account. The January date was just when she moved into her own office in the West Wing. She has been on the government payroll since 3/29/2017.
Thank you for clearing that up.
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Who didnâ(TM)t deliberately set up a private email server and spread classified and top secret documents like it was confetti to swathes of people without clearance.
Itâ(TM)s zero about right/wrong, correct process, even the law. Itâ(TM)s about being as big a set of hypocritical assholes as is possible, always trying to outdo the other guy.
If Trump junior deserves censure, Clinton deserves to be subject to the penalties for unauthorized disclosure of classified information. In the United States this is a crime under the Espionage Act of 1917. Those who are found in violation of this crime against the government face broad and wide-ranging criminal sanctions. The bollocks that she didnâ(TM)t know etc never flew.
Given how many nutbag marxist candidates you folks will run, I'm not worried about either of those years.
That's not true. It's possible that one doesn't know it's classified, and/or that it was an inadvertent accident. As I mentioned elsewhere, H didn't receive proper training, and the markings do resemble those used in legal documents.
Now if somebody is properly trained AND accidentally expose or put-at-risk classified materials, the legal standard is "gross negligence", which is typically a pretty high hurdle. Ordinary accidents by themselves don't usually lead to felonies. Dismissal and fines, perhaps, but probably not jail.
After all, many of the lawmakers would be subject to the very secrecy laws they write, and they don't want to be jailed for their own inadvertent mistakes. Thus, they usually write it up as requiring either "intent" or large-scale repeat screwups.
Being H wasn't properly trained, "gross negligence" probably doesn't qualify. It took a chain of people screwing up incrementally to pull that off (including the training roster manager).
There's also the issue that H was supposed to hand over all work-related emails to the court per subpoena. However, some were inadvertently excluded, considered "personal" by her team. But, there was no evidence they were intentionally excluded, because the later-recovered "excluded" emails didn't contain anything of significance in terms of making a case of "intentional". The lawyers she hired were essentially sloppy in their review process.
To be fair, if the average person had to read roughly 20k emails and sort them ALL properly based on the text, they'd probably screw up a handful. Thus, it's ordinary negligence, not "gross" negligence. A jury is not likely to convict based on a mistake they themselves might make.
Essentially, the laws as written are weak because lawmakers don't want to screw themselves.
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...unless they arrest and prosecute Hillary.
Ivanka in all likelihood has done nothing wrong. No shit someone doing business with the government who isn't a government employee uses their own email. What a bloody shock.
trump isn't popular? funny - seems plenty popular enough...and congress flipping during a midterm after a new president comes into play happens very often.
the repubs gained senate seats.
The dems even voted that retarded ocasio-sanchez into office. Proving their stupidity.
Would love to stop seeing american politics. Thanks.
when he's under investigation for violation of the emoluments clause. Which he will be soon. The Dems, assuming they have any backbone, will be nailing him to the wall over that. Not because of partisanship (though they could do with a bit more of that, ever since that bastard Gingrich started open war in the House the Dems have been getting their asses kicked and the country is much worse off for it) but because having a president who can and will be bought off by foreign powers is terrifying. That's something we should all agree on.
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She wasn't when she used personal e-mail; in fact, at that time, it would have been a crime for her to use a Federal Government e-mail BEFORE she was an employee. When the e-mails in question were sent, she was, in fact "just the President's daughter".
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Pretty much, yeah: https://fivethirtyeight.com/fe...
Re: "Everyone keeps comparing this to what Hillary did. Not sure why."
Really? You can't see why people compare this? Hillary's e-mail was a key election issue, and it was so because the Republicans made it that way.
No, HILLARY made it that way, by breaking the law, and then apparently using behind-the-scenes maneuvers to get off, even though the FBI found her guilty of breaking the law. Hillary showed that she was above the "rules for the rest of us", and that turned off a LOT of people.
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The same article says personal email accounts were used through August of 2017.
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Middle of the road? That's a laugh. Gorsuch was, and really the best we could have hoped for coming from any Republican these days, and honestly I prefer him over Garland. Kavanaugh, on the other hand, was not even close to middle of the road. He's as extreme right as SCOTUS candidates get on every single issue. And he was nominated to fill a swing-voting Justice's seat, dooming us to a generation of rulings shitting all over the parts of the Constitution not related to guns and god. That, combined with legitimately disqualifying issues like a (single) credible allegation, but more importantly how he lied, conducted himself, and spouted partisan rhetoric after which any claim he'd be politically neutral should be met with laughter, and it's no wonder Democrats were hysterical and tried every trick in the book to block him. But ultimately, once again Republicans showed how absolutely nothing is more important than the Party and getting Party Members into the courts. Just like with all of them bending the knee to Trump, it's Party before country.
I also remember quite a bit of right wing nutters like you crowing about how the Democrats 'derangement' over Trump was supposed to make them fail to retake the House etc. this election. Guess the goalposts have moved and it will be next election that their shenanigans cost them. Though admittedly they do seem to be engaged in a process of finding another nominee somehow also capable of losing to Trump; with Kamala Harris leading the field. As I've explained before, her anti-civil rights past as a tough-on-crime prosecutor and current SJW insanity makes her toxic enough to enough people that Democrats will sit it out again. And if they make a pointless show of impeachment (oh yes please try in vain to get us President Pence!), doubly so.
Kavanaugh is to the left of Gorsuch, and had something like 90% of a similar voting record to Garland.
Kavanaugh was like Garland with a slight right lean; almost exactly what the Democrats wanted all along (apart from the slight rightward leaning).
It's sad that you and others are buying into what the media is feeding you about Kavanaugh instead of looking at his voting record.
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Not by Ivanka. Read again...
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I wonder which one we should hold to a higher standard?
You're reading a statement from the White House, for what that's worth. Throwing Jared under the bus to save Donald's side-piece, Ivanka.
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Where does it say anything about Ivanka e-mailing in August? You're wrong - you just don't want to admit it because ORANGE MAN BAD.
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Read through all the posts to find out most conservatives don't actually have principles. Well duh. Whether it comes to family values, executive privilege and signing statements, states rights, extramarital affairs, private emails, whatever, perspective matters most when bludgeoning the other tribe, not principles. Hold whichever position suits at the moment is the conservative way.
He is pretty bad, I agree, but I don't think you need to bring his skin color into this.
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The SC candidates were not middle of the road candidates. They were selected by conservative activists for being both well respected and very conservative. Conservative activists been talking about flipping the supreme court to conservative for forty five fucking years. Don't piss on my head and tell me it's raining.
Why the fuck do YOU care that he's called bad when he is bad? He's not your beloved ole grampy. He's just an arrogant prick who has golden spooned his way to a few million and a massive ego who believes it to be worth billions. Nothing more.
Complaining "You did nothing more" is meaningless when your ONLY complaint is "You just say ORANGE MAN BAD". That too is meaningless. Therefore substance is irrelevant. The fucking orange shitgibbon IS BAD.
Wow., How many times will you ignore reality when pointed out to you? Eternally, since even reality has no power to compel a complete apparatchik like you from loyalty to the Party.
And the rules cover OFFICIALS. Dumbass.
he is not doing that much worse than the least popular of them
On one hand, he's not doing that much worse than the least popular of previous presidents.
On the other hand, he's doing even worse than the least popular of previous presidents.
It's just another ploy by the Demonrats which has yet again spectacularly backfired. Why?
It reminds everyone of just how corrupt Clinton was, not 100 mails of no national security import. An illegal mail server channeling federal communication of 33,000 mails and many of them bleached using software clearly designed to hide your tracks. Clinton is a traitor. Thanks again for the reminder
I'm sure this will be investigated, as it should. But what everyone is forgetting (and the news media is omitting), is that Hillary had CLASSIFIED information. Using a personal email for any government related business shows poor judgement, but this is MUCH different than having actual classified information on your personal devices.
The last 20 times these nits tried to make the Trump royals abide by rules, they failed miserably. They are just wasting our taxpayer $ on futile attempts. Trump is a master of distraction and manipulation who seems to overcome anything thrown at him.
Maybe it's your purple hair dye. You idiots will get what you deserve sooner or later when another corporate democrat gets in. Hillary will run in 2020 once they steal the super delegates again. Mark my words. You will vote for that POS because she is supposed to be liberal. She is as liberal as a wolf in sheeps clothing.
I really hoped they pushed Kavanaugh further to the right. Trump should have put Larsson forwards instead and really upset their apple cart.
So this is all Democrats admitting that Hilarious actually WAS at fault then?
If we want apples to be compared with apples:
Clinton also claimed not to have sent any classified information in her personal emails, but upon examination such material did turn up. We will have to exercise the same amount of scrutiny with Ivanka's emails.
The issue with the server was not where it was located but that it was a non-goverment server, the same issue remains with Ivanka's emails.
But now I'm forced to admit that people Really Are that stupid.
Whooda thunkit; A cheeto would being out the real America. :facepalm:
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Her father was failing against Hilary using non gov email for MONTHS. Ivanka's defense was no one told her it was illegal. That's a very different situation.
Waaaahhh. Nobody likes my orange shitgibbon!!
We had to listen to eight years of you fucking people crying over everything President Obama did, and now you don't want to hear anyone complain about your shitgibbon? At least you'll only have to deal with four years of it.
Go cry me a fucking river. You voted for the asshole, not me.
Or is your name Ivan?
"As long as they believe Ivanka didn't intend any harm, she's let off the hook for any violations." was one of the items listed. It worked for Hillary; it will work here as well.
Shutting down free speech with violence isn't fighting fascism. It IS fascism!
Are you trying to lie to us or yourself? All you are doing here is your normal hand wave of facts and then doubling down on lies you know for a fact are lies. How do you live with yourself? People like you are why we have Donald Trump in the first place. Learn to be less of a follower.
We don't say, you can't arrest me till you arrest every bank robber. that's not how it works.
At issue here in both cases in not your childish argument but a larger principle. People in power get treated like they are above the law.
THis needs to stop.
THe concern you are reflecting comes down to selective enforcement. If only democrats or only black people, or only poor people get prosecuted under a set of statues it is selective. Can't have that either.
But that does not mean that just because a law was not previously enforced they cannot start doing it.
An even larger discussion is, is there a reason why these laws keep get broken-- perhaps they are too onerous. perhaps the law is just too tricky to know and do the right thing so mistakes get made by people acting reasonably.
I fully agree that the govt restrictions using govt phone for personal use lead to a hazard of people using personal phones for govt use. Having to carry two phones is a hassle. FOr people like Clinton, who is on call-24-7 even when on vacation it means you always have two phone not just when you are "at work". You have the hassle of accidentally mixing types of discussions when personal bussiness and govt bussiness happen to be the same contact for different reasons. I'd prefer it if people did do personal bussiness on govt phone so we have a record when that happens.
Thus the bottom line is:
1. Ivanka broke the law
2. She should not get off because she's the president's daughter. Were already in nepotism territory already
3. and we should separately fix the laws so this isn't so hard to comply with.
Some drink at the fountain of knowledge. Others just gargle.
Really? You can see the difference between material that has been classified as secret and above, and a discussion of where to meet to talk about getting hired? You can't see what people would draw a distinction?
The goalpost is sunk in concrete. Things just keep moving in your delusional world.
Aah, change is good. -- Rafiki
Yeah, but it ain't easy. -- Simba
Not according to polls. And not according to history. I mean, you have to go back to Nixon's impeachment^W resignation to get a similar bump.
Really? You're just going to skip right over 2010? Just act like it didn't happen?
Aah, change is good. -- Rafiki
Yeah, but it ain't easy. -- Simba
That, combined with legitimately disqualifying issues like a (single) credible allegation,
Which allegation was that? Ford's claims were so full of holes that it left the flat earthers stunned. What made them credible?
Aah, change is good. -- Rafiki
Yeah, but it ain't easy. -- Simba
Do you understand what it means when you say this? It means that Trump's followers do so only out of a sense of grievance and hatred and not for any positive reason. Is that how you really feel about yourself?
This Thanksgiving, I pray that you're able to find some motivation in life besides grievance and hatred. Stop being a victim and be more positive. Find something you love and let that motivate you, even if it happens to be a pillow printed with an anime character.
Have a blessed holiday!
You are welcome on my lawn.
Same to you, you're still full of shit. At least you're nice about it. Happy Thanksgiving.
Republican waves are higher than Democratic ones as far as seats go. It's a structural imbalance (gerrymandering + rural states having more representatives per person). But, yes, the blue wave beat 2010 on the popular vote.
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