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The Police in UK Want AI To Stop Violent Crime Before it Happens (newscientist.com)
Police in the UK want to predict serious violent crime using artificial intelligence, New Scientist is reporting. The idea is that individuals flagged by the system will be offered interventions, such as counseling, to avert potential criminal behavior. From the report: However, one of the world's leading data science institutes has expressed serious concerns about the project after seeing a redacted version of the proposals. The system, called the National Data Analytics Solution (NDAS), uses a combination of AI and statistics to try to assess the risk of someone committing or becoming a victim of gun or knife crime, as well as the likelihood of someone falling victim to modern slavery. West Midlands Police is leading the project and has until the end of March 2019 to produce a prototype. Eight other police forces, including London's Metropolitan Police and Greater Manchester Police, are also involved. NDAS is being designed so that every police force in the UK could eventually use it. Police funding has been cut significantly over recent years, so forces need a system that can look at all individuals already known to officers, with the aim of prioritizing those who need interventions most urgently, says Iain Donnelly, the police lead on the project.
Pre-crime here we come.
Seems like I've seen something like this before.
Minority Report?
abuse
Better to just mark the commoners as Pre-Criminals than address growing social inequities.
Fuck the Po Po.
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So, to teach the AI they'll basically have to feed it the minute details of every violent crime in the country. That's gonna be one really messed up AI system.
are pretty much admitting that they aren't having any effect on local crime.
Most police know who their local criminals are, and where crimes happen.
They don't have enough man-power or support to wade into a bad area and clean it up without trampling on any rights of the people in that neighborhood.
This type of AI analytics seems to just be a justification for doing more than reacting after a crime is committed.
The UK staying the course toward fascism and 1984.
What could POSSIBLY go wrong with this?
Then again, it's the UK, can't be all that surprised.
captcha: RIGOR.
The list of excuses are endless but the final destination is nothing more than... we need tools and excuses to take down anyone saying things the government does not like.
This is just more of the guilty until proven innocent mentality that humans just cannot resist foisting upon each other. Almost everyone I have ever met in life operates off two contradictory principles... automatic innocence or blind eye for those they like AND automatic guilt or punishment for those they hate.
People often forget that every power they give their beloved politicians is power they ALSO give to their enemies and then they have the gall to act indignant when they are turned against them!
Any time you use 'statistical characteristics' of individuals to concentrate police efforts regardless of the actual details of said individual.
This system will justify 'racial profiling' and possibly ;'religious profiling'... After all, are conservative men who are strict followers of certain types of Islam more or less likely to commit violent crimes.
( I'm not answering the questions, but you can get a statistical answer.)
It is a far cry from 'in general' yes to 'so let's watch THAT one'.... but people do it all the time.
âoeTolerance applies only to persons, but never to truth. Intolerance applies only to truth, but never to persons.
We can't see inside them, to know why things go wrong, when they do.
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"But the problem is, we don’t exactly know how the neural networks behind computer vision algorithms define the characteristics of each object, and that’s why they can fail in epic and unexpected ways."
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What happens when the AI system flags a disproportionate amount of minority men as being likely to commit a crime and underage blond girls flagged for high-risk of becoming a modern slave?
This program wont last after the public knows the AI thinks reality isn't "sensible" about Islam.
That's what this sounds like. Something to establish probable cause. At least that's what it's used for in the States.
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Can already imagine the cries
from what i remember they canceled it as it made crime worse by being wrong.
The Ai told them a crime would happen somewhere, they police would move close to that area, and then a real crime would happen elsewhere and the police response time would be longer as they are all out of position.
Wish I could find a link about it :/
I know of a foolproof system to stop violent crime before it happens. Turn every dwelling into a prison cell. Make people ask for permission to leave and enter, and travel wherever they need. Turn the country into a prison.
Heck, the UK is already down that road, might as well get to the destination.
...what was it called? Oh yeah, "Total Recall".
how in the hell that pass the constitution? much less locking people up for life with no trail?
that the more you treat your population like criminals, the more they act like one.
It ends in one of two ways:
Police State
Revolution
Cheaper to hire private security and build a fence around the good communities. Let the rest of the city fall into decay.
Future headline: "NDAS under criticism for targeting minorities and muslims"
It won't be allowed to operate as intended, because it would be seen as profiling. The idea of certain groups being over represented in criminal acts is tantamount to heresy, even if it's objectively true.
But that's ok, because the point really is to acclimate people to the idea of their data that's being harvested through the surveillance state to be processed by ever more powerful machines and sophisticated algorithms, to allow for even greater monitoring and intrusion. Where there is an ever watchful eye by the state to ensure everyone is guilty of something.
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If they show up st my house after such a prediction, they will be met with lethal force.
are pretty much admitting that they aren't having any effect on local crime.
Most police know who their local criminals are, and where crimes happen.
They don't have enough man-power or support to wade into a bad area and clean it up without trampling on any rights of the people in that neighborhood.
This type of AI analytics seems to just be a justification for doing more than reacting after a crime is committed.
Ever watched a nature show where a herd of something runs away from predators losing a few in the process? They could simply surround the predators and trample them to death ending the threat once and for all. But instead it's in their nature to run away and suffer some losses. Mankind seems similar. We know who the bad apples are but just choose to ignore them, taking some losses in the process.
Think how quickly someone who *tatoos* themselves like gang members do could be eliminated. They self identify making it easy. All that's lacking is the will to eliminate them.
Because stopping/prosecuting that would be racist.
They tried that, but they were sure the people harming society were the Jews. I doubt your "people with tattoos" solution will be any better.
Want to invent Pre-Crime.
They've had what passes for an intellect among them poisoned by mass media...
They don't understand why it's impossible and would be bad if it were.
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... individuals flagged by the system will be offered interventions, such as counseling, to avert potential criminal behavior.
How long before 'offered' morphs into 'required to undergo'? When that happens - and it will, sooner or later - then authorities will have a convenient, streamlined mechanism for punishing people whose actions they merely dislike. Peaceful demonstrators - along with anybody else who is publicly critical of those in power - can expect to be forced into a 're-education' program that will waste their time, harm their reputations, and discourage them from speaking out.
This whole scheme sounds like a roundabout way of doing what the Chinese government is doing openly with their appalling and disgusting 'social credit' regime. The world is becoming a very, very scary place.
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...you are under arrest for crimes you are going to commit.
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Eliminate all humans. Poof, no more crime.
I've seen this movie before. It didn't end well
Have you not heard of violent crime in prisons? It's a thing.
Yes it's an anecdote! Were you expecting original research in a Slashdot comment?
So the UK is trying to make Monty Python come true...
Inspector: Good. Now I'm arrestin' this entire show on three counts: one, acts of self-conscious behaviour contrary to the 'Not in front of the children' Act, two, always saying 'It's so and so of the Yard' every time the fuzz arrives and, three, and this is the cruncher, offenses against the 'Getting out of sketches without using a proper punchline' Act, four, namely, simply ending every bleedin' sketch by just having a policeman come in and... wait a minute.
I want a magical flying unicorn that shits gold coins.
I think we're both going to be disappointed.
We all know the specific profiles of people who commit the bulk of certain crime in the UK but if we target those groups there will be outcry... I'm talking about tax avoidance. It's fucking WHITE people, in higher tax brackets. The ones who send their money offshore, pay their nannies less than minimum wage, set up complex trust funds.... sort that out and there might be some money for proper policing. The actual police know exactly who is a problem, they just don't have resources to tackle it. As a bonus, if more rich folk paid taxes there might be better education, which would resolve a lot of problems at the source.
You turned down intervention. To jail with you!
AI will tell them to deport all Muslims, and then all hell will break loose.
I wonder if the people calling for this have seen the American tv show, "Person of Interest". That was basically the plot.
Should focus more on taking down child rape and human trafficking gangs instead of larping about """ai""" and other tech buzzwords.
They tried that, but they were sure the people harming society were the Jews. I doubt your "people with tattoos" solution will be any better.
I think your error was generalizing gang members with tatoos, which are easy to spot as they literally tatoo the gang info on themselves, to all people with tatoos.
So replacing them with artificial intelligence might actually be an improvement.
They don't have enough man-power or support to wade into a bad area and clean it up without trampling on any rights of the people in that neighborhood.
How the fuck exactly would you do that? Just what are you expecting the police to do to prevent poor disaffected youths in London from joining gangs and knifing each other that doesn't impinge on the rights of poor disaffected youths in London?
You can find all the criminals you want, but if you just let them off with NO PRISON SENTENCE, then crime will continue to increase.
The government isn't interested in protecting the people from criminals, otherwise they would massively increase the length of prison sentences, and let the PUBLIC decide the length of sentences for each crime.
Move along. Nothing to see here. Move along.
This is the stupidest thing I have read today.
"AI predictions" do not work and never will work, ever.
Sure, but it is less of a problem to us on the outside, you see.
submission and remove all creativity from our society. Think China.
First off, I thought only the US had rampant violent crime? What are they combating in the UK? Less than polite purse-snatchers?
But the main thing I wanted to say bears more consideration for US folks than for UK folks, because of our Constitution and Bill of Rights: If it were even possible to *prevent* crimes from being committed, do we have the right to do so?
What is freedom? When it first started out, our criminal code was pretty much all about actions - actually committing a crime: a murder, a robbery, a rape. However, ever since we've been slowly adding crimes of less than actions: conspiring to commit a crime, planning to commit a crime (even if never actually committed), accomplice after the fact, withholding information, lying to police/FBI. Property and funds can now be seized on just the suspicion of illegal use - without any kind of proof or even a proper legal recourse.
All of which restricts our freedom - and I will go out on a limb here and state that true freedom (such as we are supposed to have in the US) includes the freedom to break the law. Our legal system is there to prosecute and punish offenders - it was not ever designed to prevent offenses from occurring, We live by those laws, we obey those laws because we choose to. For most of us the alternative is bad enough we never seriously consider not obeying, but consider it we can.
To use a car analogy, we have the freedom to speed - I can drive my car 110 mph to get a badly injured person to an emergency room. I can choose to do that. I can take that risk, and if I mess up, I will surely have very bad consequences. But *I* get to make that choice, today. I can face the consequences of my actions freely, prepared to pay the price to save that person's life, because I have the freedom to make that choice - to accept those consequences *I* determine are less than what I have gained.
We can, technology-wise, make it impossible to speed. Governor on the engine paired with GPS. Simple. We can make it impossible for me to speed - to break that law - but only by taking away my freedoms.
Is it really worth it? How many freedoms are we prepared to give up? I'm a law abiding citizen - because I choose to abide by them - not because I am under scrutiny for maybe being willing to break them. Something to think about.
is this a spin-off for person of interest UK?
On a long enough timeline, the survival rate for everyone drops to zero.