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Government Shutdown is Putting a Damper on Science in Seattle and Elsewhere (geekwire.com)
It's been called the "Super Bowl of Astronomy," but when the American Astronomical Society's winter meeting plays out in Seattle this week, some of the stars won't be taking the field. From a report: The AAS meeting is just one of the scientific endeavors diminished by the partial government shutdown in Washington, D.C., which entered its 17th day today. NASA representatives, and researchers whose travel would typically be funded by NASA, have had to cancel their plans to be in Seattle due to the tiff involving the Trump administration and Republicans on one side, and Democrats on the other.
The shutdown affects only a quarter of the federal government -- which means that the Defense Department and the Energy Department can continue research and development activities. Work continues as well at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, and at the National Institutes of Health. But most employees at NASA as well as at the Agriculture Department, the Interior Department, the Environmental Protection Agency, the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration and the National Weather Service are on furlough. Further reading: National Parks Face Years of Damage From Government Shutdown.
The shutdown affects only a quarter of the federal government -- which means that the Defense Department and the Energy Department can continue research and development activities. Work continues as well at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, and at the National Institutes of Health. But most employees at NASA as well as at the Agriculture Department, the Interior Department, the Environmental Protection Agency, the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration and the National Weather Service are on furlough. Further reading: National Parks Face Years of Damage From Government Shutdown.
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Instead of relying on taxes taken at gunpoint to prove predetermined conclusions.
SJW: a person who perceives an injustice, and while correcting it, commits a greater injustice.
Yea, it will only cost you 5 Billion and the next national election..... Don't be fooled, this isn't about money... it's about votes.... For BOTH sides.
"File to fit, pound to insert, paint to match" - Aircraft Maintenance 101
I thought that was why they charged 50,000 a year and had a 10 billion dollar endowment...but it turns out that was just to pay for the Diversity Officers.
Oh, sorry... The current cost is set at 5.6 Billion, my mistake.
"File to fit, pound to insert, paint to match" - Aircraft Maintenance 101
Virtually all terrorists come in via plane and sea, the remainder drive from inside the US.
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I didn't know there was any. It only rains there, never shines.
Remind me, how many workers is he holding to ransom over this? 800,000?
Yea, it will only cost you 5 Billion and the next national election..... Don't be fooled, this isn't about money... it's about votes.... For BOTH sides.
This is the type of thought which allows people like Trump to get elected. Once you convince yourself no politicians actually care about the electorate at any level, who cares who gets voted in?
-- All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. -- Edmund Burke
I agree! Science needs to paid by business! Business who needs the results to skew their way!
Why I find that the cigarette companies' findings proven false to be a travesty
Or the industry who promoted Tetraethyllead to be robbed!
And of course the current situation of fossil fuel companies fighting to discredit "GlooooooBal Waaarming!" hoax!
I mean seriously!! We all know that profit seeking entities will always do what's best for people!
Put on your credit card, save your receipts, file a claim, get paid when the new budget is approved. That's how many people travel for work.
Now if you want to be a SJW, blame the President and throw a tantrum...
I was thinking more of crowdfunding, but whatever. If the science is actually worthwhile, shouldn't you be able to find an audience of people among the 7 billion on the planet who are wondering the same thing and are willing to throw the cost of a cup of coffee at it?
SJW: a person who perceives an injustice, and while correcting it, commits a greater injustice.
Why are you on Slashdot, if you hate science this much?
If something is so important that you feel the need to post it on the internet... It probably isn't that important.
to figure out that if your employer is $21 TRILLION dollars in DEBT, your job and its regular paychecks are hardly guaranteed.
Given the state of global warming, wouldn't we all be better off if this "conference" was held virtually in cyberspace instead of wasting fossil fuels for everybody to travel?
SJW: a person who perceives an injustice, and while correcting it, commits a greater injustice.
"I've got one that can see!"
Trump WAS the lesser evil. Until you get that, you will continue to be perplexed.
John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'
Everything bad in the world is because of it and there is absolutely no positive aspect to it at all to the point where its bad simultaneously in mutually exclusive ways.
It was Congresses fault then. Its Trump's fault now because reasons..,.
Why are you on Slashdot, if you hate science this much?
"Hating" science is not the same thing as disagreeing with how it is funded. Something is wrong with our society when space science funding is suspended because of a political disagreement over "The Wall". It is hard to imagine two things that should be more unrelated.
Where was your outrage when Obama did the EXACT SAME THING over ObamaCare? Hypocritical clowns.
Considering that never happened, it's hard to see any hypocrisy here. Assuming you mean the 2013 shutdown, Obama was using the veto threat only to prevent new legislation to de-fund Obamacare from being passed. Congress was free to strip new legislation from the bills and get them passed. In this case both the House and Senate have shown willingness to pass bills without new wall related legislation (the 115th Senate was literally unanimous) to keep the government funded.
Both scenarios may have resulted in a shutdown, but no meaningful details are similar.
Trump and McConnell are the ONLY problem actors here. Trump for threatening veto and McConnell for refusing to bring a bill to vote. Any somewhat functional Senate would just override Trump's veto.
-- All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. -- Edmund Burke
^^ This troll really needs a job in the Trump administration, the red herrings alone could feed a small village. I'm just surprised HRC's emails weren't worked in there somehow also. Pity, next time. The rubles are in the mail.
:-) Not like the church that used the taxes back in their heyday to execute the scientists. I mean, they were heretics, right? They needed killin'!
However, you are correct: ...to prove predetermined conclusions.
I remember Nixon trying that with his marijuana studies. He burned the report when it didn't produce the results he was demanding. Politics is everywhere, turtles all the way down. The majority that's stealing all your money is a gangster with a gun, and it's even properly registered! How do you rebel against the majority?
Apparently some (but not all) government workers are pulling out of talks and other events as well due to the shutdown, CES included - Pai was apparently only the start of it, although I suspect, like Pai, some are probably just using the shutdown as an excuse. YMMV as to whether anything of value has been lost, naturally.
UNIX? They're not even circumcised! Savages!
Yea, it will only cost you 5 Billion and the next national election..... Don't be fooled, this isn't about money... it's about votes.... For BOTH sides.
This is the type of thought which allows people like Trump to get elected. Once you convince yourself no politicians actually care about the electorate at any level, who cares who gets voted in?
What caused Trump to get elected was lack of any other choices, and the high entertainment value.
I have nothing against having a woman as president. Just not a Clinton. or a Kennedy. or a Bush. We've had enough of that.
With very few exceptions, there aren't that many Congress Critters that should be re-elected.
I've done crowdfunded projects a few times now. It works. Crowdfunded science also works.
But of course, if the only way you think you can survive is with communism, then go right ahead. I've learned enough from my experiments hacking utopias to no longer believe that a utopia can exist (or that an academic institution can discover truth or do science).
SJW: a person who perceives an injustice, and while correcting it, commits a greater injustice.
Tell Pelosi and Schumer to stop putting a damper on science in Seattle!
Or maybe Donald should keep his campaign promises. He said the Mexicans would pay for the wall, and now he wants my taxes to pay for it.
Nancy and Chuck should hold him to his word. Good for them.
I don't hate science. I love science. I hate government schills pretending to do science when in reality they're only writing grants to get taxpayer money and doing no real science at all.
SJW: a person who perceives an injustice, and while correcting it, commits a greater injustice.
Only Democrats use science anyway.
"Believe me!" -- Donald Trump
And the answer is to decentralize the funding sources.
SJW: a person who perceives an injustice, and while correcting it, commits a greater injustice.
Congress is free to keep the border wall in the legislation.
Trump WAS the lesser evil. Until you get that, you will continue to be perplexed.
Until you understand that is nowhere close to being true, you will continue to be perplexed by nearly any complex topic.
That is not technically true. Plenty of smart people can still be affected by tribal mentality. Most of the time it is hard to know which tribe is being more ridiculous, but in this case the US literally elected someone who doesn't even know what the President does, other than it is a powerful position. He is a buffoon whose only skill is public relations (and the benefit of a complete lack of moral character) and it is a sad indictment of our country that good PR plus being born into a wealthy family is all it takes to be President.
-- All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. -- Edmund Burke
5 billion dollars? It's about the money, and who gets to launder it, er.. pocket it, I mean spend it! Okay yeah, it's for votes. They need us to 'sign the check', so to speak.
“He’s not deformed, he’s just drunk!”
Given what the Bavarian and Argentinian branches of the Roman Catholic Church have been up to, I'm also against the Church taking public taxes.
SJW: a person who perceives an injustice, and while correcting it, commits a greater injustice.
Congress is free to keep the border wall in the legislation.
The border wall was not in the last budget, so adding it is not the status quo. Shutting down the government because it won't fund your pet project is not the same thing as vetoing bills trying to affect previously passed legislation by de-funding it. This isn't rocket science here.
-- All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. -- Edmund Burke
The Federal government has not stopped growing since the ink dried on the constitution. Show me where NASA or any of the numerous federal agencies are listed as a responsibility of the Federal government in our Constitution.
Our Federal government has 18 enumerated powers - given by the states to the Federal government. Any agencies exercising authority beyond those powers are unconstitutional. Those agencies should be dissolved and their powers given back to the states where they belong. The entire purpose of the 10th amendment was to reaffirm that States and people hold all powers NOT delegated to the Federal government.
If states decide that Government space exploration is so important that individual states are willing to have the Federal government perform that function they should amend the constitution to grant that power to the federal government.
A protracted shut-down of non-essential government functions will make it very clear to the states how little they get from an enormous, unconstitutional, Federal bureaucracy.
Not necessarily. I worked on an experiment at Fermilab for a few years during a period when FNAL had furloughs (IIRC due to surprise budget cuts) and their employees were not even allowed to turn up to the office on their furlough days under threat of discipline (although to be honest I think it was more bark than bite). I thought it was rather bizarre at the time because they had no problem working weekends but apparently furloughs were not the same. This just goes to show that when dealing with government regulations in unusual circumstances common sense is not a good guide.
Oh, sorry... The current cost is set at 5.6 Billion, my mistake.
Back in the 70's, 6 Million could buy you a Bionic Man.
Today, a wall costs you 6 Billion.
Wow, now that is inflation!
Could we maybe build a troop of 70's Bionic Men to patrol the border, instead of a wall . . . ?
That maybe would be a compromise that both parties could accept, and reopen the government again.
Schroedinger's Brexit: The UK is both in and out of the EU at the same time!
I can't possibly imagine why Trump supporters aren't infuriated at being asked to pay for a wall that he repeatedly promised he wasn't going to make the American taxpayers pay for.
Do you think there were only two candidates on the ballot? Or are you in a battleground state where your vote actually mattered?
If you voted for Trump, then you are responsible for everything he does. Vote more responsibly next time!
Yes, I would hope that people would understand what voting for the lesser evil gets them. Apparently not!
“He’s not deformed, he’s just drunk!”
Another red herring / whattaboutism.
Trump WAS the lesser evil. Until you get that, you will continue to be perplexed.
Keyword: WAS
Since then, he's proven that he is ten times the criminal you want to pretend she is.
Until you get that, you will continue to wonder why he'll be a one-term Trump.
You don't have to understand or appreciate science, but to expect it to be crowdfunded entirely = you are entirely a fucking idiot. QED.
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People here don't hate science. It isn't our Federal government's responsibility to fund science.
Before you disagree - show me in our Constitution where the Federal government was given the power by the states to fund space exploration.
You can't because it isn't there.
All Federal, unconstitutional, departments and agencies need to be dissolved and those functions should be remanded to the states where they belong.
" blame the President " = You're implying someone else directly on an overnight whim caused, and then called a press conference to say "I am happy to own this shutdown" - but the reality is on film, you can see it yourself.
Am I a SJW for "truthing" your bullshit narrative? Maybe. Justice = truth implicit. I guess that's so. You're a fucking traitor, if I'm a SJW for correcting your lie. I can live with that. You however should hang like Trump will.
https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2018/12/11/trump-own-shutdown-border-security-sot-lead-vpx.cnn
Dare say 60 million voted for Trump specifically to shutdown the Federal government if they refused to build a wall.
The needs of the many....
If you really love doing science and talking about science, you could go to the conference with your own money. Many scientists make at least as much as the average American household, and often 2-3x as much. A couple-day trip to WA is a drop in the bucket next to that.
But then again, we are talking about people who want government money for everything and blame Trump for all of America's problems. Younger scientists especially are little SJWs who endlessly promote diversity and collaboration because they aren't good critical thinkers themselves.
Just sayin'.
it is not the status quo. .
Obamacare wasn't part of the status quo whats your point?
Shutting down the government because it won't fund your pet project is not the same thing as vetoing bills trying to affect previously passed legislation by de-funding it. This isn't rocket science here.
Theres no real technical difference. Its basically President vs Congress each time thats all that matters. Don't pretend that you'd believe in this new moral patina of 'passed legislation' you've just invented if you were on the other side.
And the answer is to decentralize the funding sources.
That is one solution.
Another is to create endowments for basic science, so funding is not buffeted by every political tantrum.
Yet another solution would be to ban peacetime deficit spending, so that the proposed wall would require an immediate tax increase.
Really? I cannot see Clinton whining about and generally causing NATO headaches. And she was unlikely to be Putin's cockholster. I doubt she'd be stupid enough to start a trade war with China. And she wouldn't have been snookered by that whore Erdogan on Syria and sell out our allies, the Kurds, and then backtrack on the decision, and the lie about how he wasn't backtracking. She wouldn't have been stupid enough to think some idiot Great White Wall would solve immigration and drug trafficking, all in one shot...it's one amazing wall. She also wouldn't have declared war on the environment and science in general.
Yep, you got yourself one fucking genius there, just ask him. By the way, he just informed us that no one knows as much about drones as he does. Lookup Dunning-Kruger effect sometime.
Bullfeathers!
It has been widely known and documented that MS-13 members routinely illegally cross into the US from Mexico:
https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/local/arizona/2017/10/17/officials-ms-13-gang-member-arrested-arizona-border-crossing/774727001/
The man in the linked article has been deported multiple times.
Are MS-13 members terrorists? If not, what is your definition of a terrorist?
It's not like the scientists get to pocket any of the money themselves. It goes to pay for equipment, overhead, cost of personnel, etc. Few grant award salaries to the P.I.'s themselves.
It's amazing how little people understand how US science is funded. The government allocates a pot of money to do science and then scientists decide among themselves whose work is good enough to get it. That means you have to convince your peers that the work you propose is better than the work they propose.
Well, my point was, the majority approves, whaddya gonna do about it?
There are plenty of sad indictments of our country. Trump beating Hilary isn't one of them.
He was the lesser evil because of his inexperience and lack of connections. So far, the last 2 years (besides the hyperbolic press) have been mundane status quo governance. The most contentious things are undoing bad actions from the previous administration.
He may be a buffoon but we have always known this and that was on the table during the election. A dumb buffoon is better than a smart well established crook that is in bed with the media.
As you say, smart people can still be affected by tribal mentality. How tribal is it to have a policy of "anything against Trump". I mean, the whole Syria pull out is a prime example. Dems are now sounding like the warhawks.
Taxes = crowdfunding with a gun.
Then tell your Mistress Nancy to support the $5 billion.
Shit...Democrats spend more than that on butt lube.
I live in CA, my vote was wasted in any case. So I voted Vermin Supreme.
John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'
And the answer is to decentralize the funding sources.
That is one solution.
Another is to create endowments for basic science, so funding is not buffeted by every political tantrum.
Yet another solution would be to ban peacetime deficit spending, so that the proposed wall would require an immediate tax increase.
Sure.
And while we're at it, ban all withholding of taxes of any type. You want to collect a tax? Fine. You can't have an employer take it from your paycheck before you even see it.
Make the taxpayers actually have to give the taxes to the government.
No "corporate" taxes, either.
Every single tax has to be paid for by a person. From that person's own money. Hand over the cash, sign the check, put it on the credit card. Doesn't matter as long as the individual taxpayer gets to actually see and feel the money going to the government.
Call it TRUTH IN TAXATION.
It'd sure be nice.
No way "progressives" would ever go for it....
When he's re-elected, remember to cut up and down your arms, not across.
John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'
We've never sern it, and only heard rumors of the horrid muttos that roam those wastelands, feeding themselves at Dollar Stores and Taco Bell. Poor poor creatures.
You DO realize a shutdown costs way, way, way more money than NOT shutting it down, right? It's not like flipping off a light switch. You're apparently a fucking moron posing as some kind of fiscal conservative meta joke personified.
I guess my question, do you understand the joke that you are the embodiment of? Do you laugh at yourself, or was it a serious point you were trying to make, lol you fucking moron? Get the fuck out of this country traitor, lol.
Go found "StupidOpineistan" and just imagine all the money you'll save, you fucking ridiculous nitwit Trumptards.
Remember kids, always result to name calling to get your point accross.
At least he was a bit more original than your ripping off a fucking TV show.
It got us less evil. Not no evil, but that wasn't a choice.
John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'
Problem is, all those American factories which manufactured leisure suits back in the 1970s have been shuttered for a few decades - and you can't have a bionic man without his leisure suit.
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TRUMP SHUT DOWN THE GOVERNMENT, COSTING MONEY, to do something he "says" he has the power to just "declare an emergency" and do. You're a fucking faggot traitor, but more importantly, you're bad with money.
It's interesting how many people continue to pretend that the Republicans hold the Senate when it takes 60 votes to get a budget passed.
Democrats are holding up the process.
Republicans have been ready to go.
Mexico would have paid for the wall long ago if the Democrats hadn't blocked the efforts.
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The purpose of the constitution isn't to list the only things that the government is allowed to do. You don't seem to understand that.
The constitution allows congress to levy taxes and spend funds on the "common defense and general welfare" of the nation. The latter part of that is open to interpretation. Clearly you have yours, and some of us probably disagree. Want to bet there's some stuff the government funds that you agree with and isn't spelled out literally in the constitution?
Live in a constitutionally limited democracy?
John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'
the high entertainment value.
This cannot be understated. Politics has been almost like a comedy show than anything these last 2-3 years. Makes me want to vote for the guy in 2020 just to keep the entertainment alive.
My personal favorites:
Warren 1/2020th.
Women clawing at SCOTUS doors.
To Canadian PM: Didn't you guys burn down the WH?
CNN wrestling meme tweet.
People walking on a highway at night to protest election results. (Spoiler, someone got hit)
Votes are money.
Several things:
1). It's "shills", not "schills";
2). "Government schills" don't do science at all. Scientists do science. I'm pretty sure all those "government schills" are actual scientists;
3). Not sure where your complaint about "no real science at all" comes from. The usual source of this type of rhetoric is science that does not advance a religious cause, or some predetermined political outcome;
4). Actual science requires funding. In order to keep the scientists doing science-y work, and get more professional funding requests, administrators often make the proposals. These can be scientists who advance to become lab leaders but more importantly, this is a mysterious attribute of civilization called "specialization". I'd ask if you've heard of it, but nah. The answer would be more meaningless drivel from a "schill".
The bright side of this is that a renowned IT clerk living on Fruitdale in San Jose and working for a 3 letter agency in Palo Alto is now able to apply 2 years worth of security patches at his high security environment IT job.
The last shutdown wasn't long enough to allow him to do his job.
He must always wait for government shutdown to apply security patches. It makes sense, doesn't it?
Tell it to Mueller when the indictments (treason, if we were at war) are unsealed and Trump is hauled off to pound-me-in-the-ass-Federal.
As if. I don't see anyone arguing that the $5.6B will actually fund that stupid wall. It's just a radnom first downpayment. The actual cost would be MUCH higher and isn't something Republicans like to talk about (probably because they have zero clue what the actual cost might be). That's fiscal conservatism for you...
Trump doesn't actually scare me half as much as people like you do. What must the inside of a mind look like that can come up with drivel like that?
LOL!
You stupid CUNT. Democrats have offered the entire $25 billion before, but your Mistress Nancy has her panties in a wad because she's a butthurt loser like you and can't even do $5 billion.
Democrats would rather illegals rape children and murder cops than do anything that looks like agreeing with Trump.
Die in a car fire you bitchass cunt.
OBAMACARE = ROMNEYCARE you treasonous nitwit! And the ACA was a Republican-congress-passed ACT OF CONGRESS, conceived and first implemented by a Republican! YOU TRULY ARE A LOBOTOMY PATIENT.
Thankfully, pre-existing conditions are still covered because we didn't cave to your craven traitor's demands, moron! It's amazing how retarded this GOP has allowed itself to become so quickly. "Anti-air, Obama breathes it!"
In all the "look at all the shit that's not working because of Trump" stories, I have yet to read anyone express the slightest question about - should the Federal government really be running all this stuff?
I sincerely doubt anyone in government has the balls after this shutdown to say "Yeah, y'know, we can probably get along without that, that, and that. Nobody really missed them."
http://thefederalist.com/2014/...
-Styopa
You're a known blathering moron, not a Constitutional scholar in any sense at any point in your life, so yeah that's the preface. #nip @ bud
the high entertainment value.
This cannot be understated. Politics has been almost like a comedy show than anything these last 2-3 years. Makes me want to vote for the guy in 2020 just to keep the entertainment alive.
My personal favorites:
Warren 1/2020th.
Women clawing at SCOTUS doors.
To Canadian PM: Didn't you guys burn down the WH?
CNN wrestling meme tweet.
People walking on a highway at night to protest election results. (Spoiler, someone got hit)
I just hope (and I am by no means anything near an optimist) someone worth electing is actually nominated by a party for 2020.
I'm not holding my breath though.
The one thing you got right in your entire spiel, yes, progressives would never sign off on something as dumb as what you just described, mr flat tax moron from 1995.
Yet another solution would be to ban peacetime deficit spending, so that the proposed wall would require an immediate tax increase.
Or the voters could cut budgets. Which do you think will gain more popular support funding 10 guys looking for exoplanets, or keeping 10,000 construction workers from losing theirs to illegals ?
Even the Democrats understand this as every major Democrat has taken the position that illegal immigration is wrong they just remarkably choose to do nothing after elections.
I don't hate science. I love science. I hate government schills pretending to do science when in reality they're only writing grants to get taxpayer money and doing no real science at all.
William Proxmire is that you ? I heard you were dead.
Interstate commerce clause, you can make anything and everything constitutional with it.
"Republicans have been ready to go." Yes, HELL WAITS FOR YOU FAGGOT TRUMP TRAITORS. It's going to be a fucking orgy in Hell when Trump goes, just like his first night in Federal lockup for life.
You 'cannot see'...hence you are blind and apparently know it.
John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'
TRUMP SHUT DOWN THE GOVERNMENT, COSTING MONEY, to do something he "says" he has the power to just "declare an emergency" and do. You're a fucking faggot traitor, but more importantly, you're bad with money.
It's more like Trump vs Democrats vs Republicans.
What if the US taxpayers select between a red or blue account. Either party can choose how they spend their money. No more elections or disagreements required.
You don't have to understand or appreciate science, but to expect it to be crowdfunded entirely = you are entirely a fucking idiot. QED.
I don't subscribe to the "Listen and Believe" model of journalism perpetuated by media and many on the left.
I think for myself. Scary I know especially for a NPC.
"remarkably choose to do nothing after elections" = Bullshit. Building a wall is going to do nothing to stop illegals, sorry morons! That's just a fact. They've never had a problem getting over under or through unguarded walls.
Nobody ever has. You're being morons in defense of a traitor's ever-changing bullshit promises to the basest of bases, racist faggots. The wall has nothing to do with actual border security whatsoever, it's a joke.
What an unoriginal cunt you are.
Watch out for your head exploding.
Elected... most obese prisoner in Federal custody? Elected most fuckable inmate because he's too weak to fight off any attacker, under any circumstances, being a flabby faggot draft dodging traitor bitch?
Go suck Putin's dick directly. Cut out the middle traitor ya faggot.
You're being a moron in defense of a traitor's ever-changing bullshit promises to the basest of bases, racist faggots. The wall has nothing to do with actual border security whatsoever, it's a joke.
Face it, you're a tap-dancing faggot on a traitor's tiny toad-shaped penis. You will never have a brain of any caliber or worth, deplorable morons will never matter.
Trump will hang either way and there's nothing you inbred toothless meth traitors can do about it.
TRUMP SHUT DOWN THE GOVERNMENT, to do something he "says" he has the power to just "declare an emergency" and do. You're a fucking faggot traitor, but more importantly, you're bad with money.
Same reason democrats weren't infuriated when they couldn't keep their doctor or insurance plan?
When you have promises "improved health care" and "keep your doctor". If you get the former the later isn't as important.*
When you have a promises "border wall" and "Mexico pays for it". If you get the former the later isn't as important.
*Not making a quantitative judgment on the ACA but rather the perception of what it means to an average Democrat.
You can keep bringing up the fact that Mexico is indeed not going to pay for the wall and that makes Trump a poopy head. But you're only preaching to the choir that already hate Trump.
It's very easy to understand someones position. Listen to them instead of pretending you know their thoughts. It's understood by many that the "Mexico will pay for the wall" to mean that we will get a better trade deal that will save us billions. Disagree. Agree, I don't care but "Can't possibly imagine"? Yikes.
It really is telling, too, the crazy misogyny apparent in politics. Caught any of the trolling about Elizabeth Warren? Can't start preheating the oven early enough so that Trump's future statements look like perfect fact desserts instead of the half-baked lies they will inevitably be.
there's reports that "The Wall" was invented by his handlers in the campaign as a mnemonic to remember to hammer immigration. That's why it's almost childishly simple. It's not a policy, it's a memory trick to keep him from going too far off script. This is the level we're at now, folks.
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paid people out of their coffers until this thing was over instead of buying ads. Now that would be helping the people.
Virtually all terrorists come in via plane and sea, the remainder drive from inside the US.
And how is it that you (or whomever originally made the claim) KNOW this to be true? It's really hard to check when the people in question are NOT coming in through anywhere they can be checked.
Like election fraud: All the "There's little to no election fraud occurring." claims turn out to really be: "There's little to no PROSECUTION of election fraud." This is as easily explained by the claim that the people in power have no incentive to change the system that PUT them in power: The results would be either:
- Not enough change to make a difference.
- Any change that DOES make a difference kicks some of them OUT of power.
In both the "no terrorists across the effectively open border" and "no significant election fraud", more information is necessary to support (or falsify) the claim. To gather that information, in the case of the first claim, you need to check substantially all the incoming border crossers.
What does the infrastructure needed to perform that check look like? Maybe a wall along the border, so essentially all the border crossers have to do so at ports-of-entry?
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you enjoy eating the shit from the media apparently?
Why do you try to pretend that the OP's hatred of science should be thought of as anything else?
Corporations are people, so they get taxed. And all multinationals and national corporations as well as most small businesses would have earnings before expenses in the higher bracket. Remember, ordinary people don't get to deduct expenses from their revenue before taxes, so why should corporations get to deduct for tax purposes things like food, rent, bills, etc?
After all you WERE trying to pretend that somehow the corporations are treated "badly" by being taxed, right? Since Citizens United, they're people too. And people get taxed BEFORE expenses.
I can't possibly imagine why Trump supporters aren't infuriated at being asked to pay for a wall that he repeatedly promised he wasn't going to make the American taxpayers pay for.
yeah all those illegals will have to keep their need for public services as well as commit crime in Mexico, and beyond, instead of US taxpayer having to pay for it. A wall is a good deterrent. Duh. I thought liberals were moving to Canada (not Mexico of course). You're not too bright are you?
I expect to be even more amused in 2020 than I was in 2016. That was the hardest I laughed in a long time.
So many things to look forward to...Ginsburg kicking, Trump's reelection, Hillary's imprisonment. Guess what they have in common?
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Trump does not like science. It is too liberal for him so I doubt he cares.
Cool, bring that up next election. What did your party get last time, 4%? Meanwhile, the other 96% of America thinks the federal government isn't involved enough in your life and isn't spending nearly enough money. And those people Vote, unlike you losers who couldn't even win New Mexico (his home state!).
Same reason democrats weren't infuriated when they couldn't keep their doctor or insurance plan?
I kept my doctor and plan. Everyone I know kept their doctor and plan. I heard about someone from the media who had to give up one of the minimal emergency plans. I don't see your analogy, given Trump now wants me to pay for his vanity project.
Which is, frankly, what you RWNJ always thought anyway, hence you have no shame doing ANY evil abhorrent act, because you "know" that as long as it hurts or removes a Democrat from power, there is no base thing you can do that is unjustified by your insane belief in D==Evil.
Those less completely batshit insane don't agree, and they don't agree that this IS the lesser of two evils.
Coal isn't coming back, just like Hillary said she'd do.
TPP has passed, just like Hillary said she'd do (trump just renamed it)
"The Wall" is now a fence, just like Hillary said she'd do.
But she would not have killed children with neglect, put children in care of people who would abuse them, would not have sucked russian cock, would not have had even 1% of the corrupt self erichment of trump, and spent 1% of the time wasting their time compared to what trump does.
So, explain, please, how trump is the LESSER evil?
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He was the lesser evil because of his inexperience and lack of connections.
He certainly didn't claim inexperience on the campaign trail. In fact, I recall him claiming that he had all the answers. That most definitely does not imply "inexperience".
And, lack of connections? He certainly has plenty of connections with the Russian government. Yes, really. Don't ask ME for citations - just get around to reviewing legal expert opinions of what's going on the the Mueller probe. You can pretend that's insignificant, until you can't.
He was certainly not the lesser of two evils for the strength and prosperity of the U.S.. This latest debacle is a strong sign of that. The government wasn't shut down because of lack-of-cooperation from Democrats. The government was shut down because Trump lost the House, and he's doing what he can to stymie the will of the voters. He believes in the will of the not-quite-majority of voters, after all.
This wasnt science. It was a boondoggle vacation for all the scientists to get a free trip and access to hookers outside their home city.
Exactly what science did not happen because Professor Cock Sucking Tax Leach didnt get a holiday paid for by the rest of us who actually work?
"Well if the Dems would just get out of the way and stop obstructing, then Mexico would be paying for it already."
That's the basic rationalization, anyway, as far as I can tell.
Beware of the Leopard.
So many things to look forward to...
Trump inevitably going off to die in prison along with his bitch beta traitor sons and bauble whore daughter, yep. And then we hang them for treason. It's gonna be great.
But this is what we can expect from the RWNJ. Insanity and bullshit.
[Trump] was the lesser evil because of his inexperience and lack of connections. So far, the last 2 years (besides the hyperbolic press) have been mundane status quo governance.
Wow. I mean, wow. [...reading it again...] Wow. [...shaking my head...]
He may be a buffoon but we have always known this and that was on the table during the election. A dumb buffoon is better than a smart well established crook that is in bed with the media.
Okay ... I doubt anyone can get you to change your mind about Hillary Clinton being a crook. Fine. But consider this: given a choice between voting for the knave and voting for the fool, you should vote for the knave. Why? Because the knave is competent. But watch the knave like a hawk. Hell, watch anyone in power like a hawk.
As you say, smart people can still be affected by tribal mentality. How tribal is it to have a policy of "anything against Trump". I mean, the whole Syria pull out is a prime example. Dems are now sounding like the warhawks.
I guess you have been reading selective accounts of current events. Even the Rs don't like the way DJT is pulling out of Syria. And several erstwhile cabinet-members who are generals didn't like it either.
If it weren't for deadlines, nothing would be late.
Which do you think will gain more popular support funding 10 guys looking for exoplanets, or keeping 10,000 construction workers from losing theirs to illegals ?
Can you expand on that? Because it looks a lot like a false equivalence. How is funding for "10 guys looking for exoplanets" mutually exclusive with "10,000 construction workers from losing their [planet? job? something]"? You're suggesting that if we spend our money on one of those, then we can't have the other one? Do the 10 guys have to be looking for exoplanets, or could they be doing anything that advances science? Do the 10,000 people need to be working in construction or could they be doing any manual-labor job? Or any job at all, maybe?
Moreover, why exactly are the guys losing their jobs to "illegals?" It's already illegal to hire people not allowed to be in the country, so why are their employers firing the US citizens and hiring undocumented workers to take their place? Shouldn't one of those ten thousand people report their employer?
Also, why are these even being compared? Those ten guys use government funding, sure, assuming that they're working for NASA, but why exactly are those ten thousand manual laborers being paid with public dollars? Don't they work for private companies? Are we subsidizing another industry now?
"Our two-party system is like a bowl of shit looking at itself in a mirror." - Lewis Black
Yeah, you hate science. You're suggesting that the only kind of "science" that should be done is that which is projected to immediately generate profit for your corporate overlords, and anything that involves actual research with no ulterior motive is evil communism.
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mundane status quo governance
In terms of actual legislation, you're right. Trump is a very weak president who can't get anything done because his whole MO is about dividing the country, and that has the effect of paralyzing congress. A stronger Republican president would certainly have killed the Affordable Care Act, for example.
However, legislation is not the issue here. The real threat that Trump poses, the thing that makes him such a disaster, is that he is destroying public trust in the institutions which protect us from people like him. For example, it's the role of the media to expose corrupt politicians. They're supposed to attack people like Trump mercilessly, that is their job. That's why we have freedom of the press enshrined in the first amendment: it's the only way that democracy can function.
So that's what the press does, they attack Trump for his many lies and failures. He doesn't apologize and say that he'll stop lying, he doesn't try to learn or otherwise mitigate his incompetence, and he doesn't reform his self-serving ways, instead he claims that every story which makes him look bad is a lie and that the press are out to get him. This is true, because going after him is their job, but he has managed to convince a large segment of the population that they shouldn't be doing this and so they shouldn't be trusted. If the only trustworthy source of information about the president is the president himself, and his sycophants, then democracy fails.
And that's just one example. How about something smaller? It's been common practice for decades that a presidential candidate should release his tax returns. This isn't a rule though, it's a custom, so Trump decided to ignore it and the voters allowed him to get away with that. Thus the custom is broken and any individual as corrupt as Trump in this way can now run for president in the future, free from the burden of not cheating on his taxes.
So with just these two examples (of many) we can see that while Trump is too weak to cause much legislative damage himself, he has opened the door for much worse people in the future. Any Machiavellian schemer can see that with even an iota of subtlety he could do what Trump has done and, unlike Trump, he could get away with it. This is the real damage that Trump has caused to our country.
Fucking Democrats would rather have the government shut down to make Trump look bad.
Keep telling yourself that only 2 choices exist, citizen. Make no effort to change anything. Thank you for your cooperation.
"Our two-party system is like a bowl of shit looking at itself in a mirror." - Lewis Black
You are fucking out of your mind if you think the last two years have been mundane or status quo. There has never been such a hot mess in the white house in the history of this country. Even the Nixon administration was a model of stability in comparison.
What allowed him to win was someone willing to lie his ass off to people and run on leftist populist programs such as having a heathcare system that covers everyone, including pre existing conditions. Bernie ran on them too, but HE wasn't lying when he said it.
Trump never had ANY intention of doing any of the stuff he promised.
What made trump win was republican cheating (gerymandering) and the RWNJ having their own "hopeandchange" moment, but with someone who never had the slightest interest in doing anything for anyone other than himself.
The number of contractors being screwed out of work for no reason except Trump's intransigence here probably exceeds the 800,000 by that again at least. Then consider the pissing match with China affecting US businesses.
All of this at once. Trump is truly shitting the bed in every direction, and I say that as someone who acknowledges both a practical need for border security and reigning in China's trade practices. This is failing both at once.
Impeach the traitor. Mueller has bombs to drop right now, the Congress should act to at least preliminarily unseal the indictments against the Drumpf crime family. This charade is beyond his thin ego now, it's serious. Lives are lost.
Trump should lose his right the fuck now, traitors hang!
I've got a better idea: don't hold the country hostage when the lawmakers don't want to make the laws you want them to make. They have a Constitutional duty to be a check on executive power, it's right there in the book. That's what they're doing. Both sides need to work on a budget bill to open the government, and then they can continue arguing about the wall. Holding the country hostage until the president gets what he wants is a really stupid precedent to start. I mean, for decades we've said we don't negotiate with terrorists, so why would anyone want to negotiate with someone holding hostages? It will set an awful precedent for the country, if anyone cares about the actual good of the country. Congress needs to pass a budget that they agree on, and send it to the president. Argue about the wall later. If Congress repeatedly sends budgets to the president and he doesn't sign them, then it will be obvious that he's the only one not doing his job.
"Our two-party system is like a bowl of shit looking at itself in a mirror." - Lewis Black
Nicely stated.
His ignorance covered the whole earth like a blanket, and there was hardly a hole in it anywhere. - Mark Twain
it wasn't a trick to get votes, it was a trick to get Donald Trump to remember to talk about immigration.
In other words, the president of the United States couldn't remember basic immigration talking points without a simple, 3 word chant ("Build the Wall!"). That's the scary part. It means even during the campaign Trump wasn't all there, his handlers knew it, and they knew how to hide it.
Now try to imagine the state he's in now after 2 years of pressure from the highest office in the world. Seen Obama lately? He looks like he's aged _way_ more than 8 years...
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Oh no! It might cost as much as 50 billion or even 100 billion to secure our borders!
You are so right! Who needs borders, walls, locks, and so on? You take the first dozen illegals into your home and then we can talk.
Because the knave is competent. But watch the knave like a hawk.
You missed part of my description. "In bed with the media". We already saw what happens when the media doesn't do it's job in accounting for a president with Obama. "Zero scandal president." Pfff. Trump is being watched like a Hawk and I doubt that Clinton would have even remotely been given a tenth of the same scrutiny. If "being watch liked a hawk" is your guard against bad leadership then Trump is better because the media will actually report on the crap he does. The problem is because they are so blinded by their hate they produce garbage narrative that gets ignored.
Even the Rs don't like the way DJT is pulling out of Syria. And several erstwhile cabinet-members who are generals didn't like it either.
What makes you think I agree with it or that I ignored the R's? I even liked Mattis. I don't even know if it's a good decision but the point is that the "pro peace" dems have warhawk rhetoric now. The same rhetoric as McCain in 2008. "Stay in Afghanistan for 100 years.".
A charge of treason is about as bad as it can get in this country. Arguably it is worse than mass murder because it could cost the entire countrys existence.
To make such a serious charge you need serious evidence if you want people to think you are more than a street corner kook with an The End Is Near sign.
Please provide detailed and confirmed evidence of treason.
No, saying, Well I know Mueller is gunna get that mother fucker! And, But the Russians said he peed on a hooker in Moscow is not evidence.
There is ABSOLUTELY no evidence of treason whatsoever.
If there ever is I will be the first to say hang em high. But there wont ever be. You will need a new conspiracy theory when Mueller finally releases something and there is a bit nothing-burger there. You DO know the source of the nothing-burger line, right?
In the meantime, until there is actually real evidence and not But I hear it on NPR! nonsense you sound like a fucking whack job on the corner... you the guy, the one with the crazy eyes.
"remarkably choose to do nothing after elections" = Bullshit. Building a wall is going to do nothing to stop illegals, sorry morons! That's just a fact. They've never had a problem getting over under or through unguarded walls.
And therein is your fail. It you actually listen to what the border patrol says - walls make their job easier, they can concentrate on catching people as they go around or attempt to go under. Which is easier - stopping people at your front door, or trying to stop people at your front door, rear door, garage door, and multiple windows?
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If you took a serious and honest look at HRCs life starting alllllll the way back with turning $1k in $100k in a market she knew nothing about, the Rose law firm records, her handling of her husbands bimbo eruptions (how do you justify covering up a multiple rapist like Bill in the metoo era?) all the way through her corrupt foundation and her What Does It Matter Now? line (it matters to the dead people and their families),... if you looked at all that and everything in between and did not see evil then you array just hopeless.
Yes, Trump is a pussy grabbing frat boy. He is likely guilty of tax fraud and a few other finance related crimes. Next to Hillary he is a Boy Scout. (From before when the scouts went gay and also invited girls in and turned into a silly sjw .org that is near bankruptcy).
Hopelessly blind and biased. I can easily see Trump has flaws. HRCs are just worse. Can you see ANY of hers? At all?
T is not really a conservative. His history is more centric, or at least vacillating. He seems to have shifted right for political reasons, not personal belief.
I don't think it's that he places zero value on Astronomy and science, but more that his wall is far more important to him and/or his current base.
If he helped fund the discovery of a new full-sized planet, he'd love that. Even if he can't get it named after himself, it's still the kind of bragging rights he so craves. But it's hard to schedule big discoveries like that such that the wall is more concrete (pun intended).
In short, his political positions are driven mostly by his ego. I'd argue his ego weighs more on his decisions than even xenophobia. (Other Presidents may have been driven by ego or xenophobia also.)
Table-ized A.I.
I work for NIST,* and am starting to feel a little left out of the coverage. Hell, NWS is part of NOAA, so they're gettin' double billing in TFS. My login is locked, working is technically a felony, and whenever this hoopla dies down my deadlines won't have shifted. The contractors on my team have it worse (can't hire green card holders as feds) since they're just gonna be out a month's (or whatever's) wages. At least I can fall back on unemployment.
* National Institute of Standards and Technology - the folks you sync your clock to. An agency of the Department of Commerce.
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You are seriously worried about politicians keeping their campaign promises? Especially some dumb ass shit about who pays for the wall?
Name the person you voted for who kept theirs. All of them. Without any modifications or watering down.
*crickets*
And these slashdot socialists who have nothing else to run a candidate on in 2020 except some trivial bullshit about who pays for the wall think this is a clever line and a real winner. Whomever your 2020 candidate is they better come up with something real and important and not more Vote For Me Because Orange Man Bad or your party is doomed to 4 more Trump years.
He was a billionaire for Pete's sake. He's got extensive connections to every major bank in existence. And he's in deep with the mob, including the Russian mob.
And so what if he's a dumb buffoon. Do you think he's running the show? His cabinet is full of the same Goldman Sachs guys who have been screwing you for 30 years.
Hilary would have been bad juju, sure, but she would have been the stable bad juju. She'd have been the conservative option (real conservative, e.g. opposed to change). And we coulda had Bernie if folks showed up to the primary.
Still, Trump was _not_ the lessor of two evils. This will become apparent as his pro-corporate SCOTUS nominees gut what few consumer protection rules and Wall Street bank regulations there are left. Unless there's a massive correction to the crap he's blitheringly signed off on we're going to have a major crash in about 4-6 years. Right after he's out of office and doesn't have to shoulder the blame, funny that.
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There were only 2 contenders. Sorry, but that's a fact.
Trump is the best chance we've had in decades of getting the Ds and Rs to dump the dirt they've got on each other. Then we get two new parties that might not be hopelessly corrupt.
I'm in a safe D state, I didn't vote for Trump.
Vermin Supreme 2020! Surely you noticed how incompetent the prominent 3rd party candidates were last cycle? The Greeny was a bad joke, the Libertarian couldn't speak. Hillary had people everywhere trying to engineer every aspect. I'll bet she not only fixed the D primaries, she fixed the R primaries as well. She wanted Trump, knowing how bad a candidate she was.
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his whole MO is about dividing the country,
No it's not. Just because there are such things as "Never Trumpers" doesn't mean his MO is to divide the country. When it gets to a point where it doesn't matter what he does it "divides" the country then it isn't Trump.
he real threat that Trump poses, the thing that makes him such a disaster, is that he is destroying public trust in the institutions which protect us from people like him.
Is that like campaigning to end the Electoral College because it didn't give the result you wanted and one of the first orders of business when you retake the House amidst a shutdown? Is that like stating you should "stack the court" to get the opinions you want? Is that like disparaging the Senate because the GOP held a majority? Is that like attacking the societal and legal standard of innocent until proven guilty or the right to face your accuser? Aren't those actual attacks on the public trust of our institutions more so than what Trump "poses"? "Protect us from people like him". You can't even be objective about the topic yet he is a threat in waiting?
it's the role of the media to expose corrupt politicians. They're supposed to attack people like Trump mercilessly, that is their job. That's why we have freedom of the press enshrined in the first amendment: it's the only way that democracy can function. ... he has managed to convince a large segment of the population that they shouldn't be doing this and so they shouldn't be trusted.
The problem is when the lie. The media lie like Claas Relotius. The problem is when the media become activists. The problem is when the media push narratives over facts. Trump tweeting a CNN wrestling is hardly an attack on CNN or journalists. The media created their own credibility problems. Trump didn't convince anyone that the media is biased and full of shit. Sander supporters didn't feel betrayed by the DNC because of Trump.
I keep saying this, but on matters economic the media has a strong right wing bias. Folks ignore it because the media's a bit left of center on social issues, but watch the media coverage around the shut down.
CNN did 2 stories on government employees impacted by the shut down. There's no nice way to say this: They were fat black chicks. The kind that were going to put off anyone who'd be likely to side with Trump.
Meanwhile left wing outlets like The Hill found a pretty white single mom as their example.
There's 800,000 federal employees. Black people account for 12.5% of the population. You're not going to convince me that CNN picked somebody who would be unsympathetic to the side that most needs to be convinced that Trump's at fault by accident. This, ladies and gentlemen, is what we call "Narrative".
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They just don't want to spend their own money to do so. They'd rather have the tab for their flights their hotels, and all their meals, plus conference attendance fees, paid for by the taxpayer. Your average PhD attendee could certainly afford to go if he/she wanted to. It's not like they need financial aid. This is a classic junket. I've been to many of them myself. After the sessions, it's party time!
How about a moderation of -1 pedantic.
Actually, it was. The last budget passed was FY2012 - it's been continuing resolutions since then. And FY2012's budget had funding for "Border Security Fencing, Infrastructure, and Technology". Pulling that spending out of the CR is actually not allowed - as it is a change to the budget. In this case, Pelosi and Schumer are trying to do an end-run around the laws relating to continuing resolutions.
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Not a single Republican voted for Obamacare. It was rammed through with a Democrat supermajority in the Senate, and Democrat control of the House.
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It got us less evil.
No it didn't. That's a lie.
“He’s not deformed, he’s just drunk!”
When a federal employee attends a conference, they do not get to chose whether they do or don't represent the federal government. If they went to the scientific sections, they would either be obligating funds that haven't been allocated (a felony) or donating time and money to the government (illegal, though not sure on the persons liability). If they just crashed the social events, that might be okay since those are supposed to happen during non-duty hours. I don't know to what degree someone might pursue this, but they would be disciplined and could get fired if the Office of Inspector General found out.
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Liberals Get the Bullet Too.
So while the government is shutdown they have to go 'full Junket'? No work, just party? Nice.
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It was lie of the year. Hardly a right wing source.
Whether you agree with it or not you should have at least known about this particular gaffe/lie to understand my comment. My guess is you did know about it and understood what I was saying but wanted to be purposefully flippant.
Uh, anyone who gives a crap about the country they live in and the well-being of themselves and their fellow citizens?
No. The type of thought that allows people like Trump to get elected is the one you just described: "I don't care." That mindset is pure destruction. Once the electorate doesn't give a shit, the politicians are free to take power / rights / prosperity from you with impunity. Only a complete idiot would take that mindset regardless as to what the current state of affairs is in Washington. Didn't your history, social studies, and humanities teachers teach you at least that much? Did your parents, relatives, friends, and local leadership all forget to teach you that too? If so, then you've been thoroughly screwed over. If I were you, I'd sue them. Sorry about that.
The "I don't care" mindset is how we got into this mess. When people don't care about who their leaders are, or what said leaders do / promise to do, and they fail to hold their leaders accountable for their actions, is when we as a democracy falter. For democracy to succeed, the people must pay attention to politics, and hold their leaders accountable. That didn't happen in 2016. Anyone who thought Hillary was going to win was completely delusional, and she still thinks she's going to win in 2020. Despite writing a book who's very title is the literal admission of her own incompetence. Trump hasn't been held accountable either. He hasn't been held accountable by anyone on anything. Hell, If anything the current spat in D.C. is him thinking he's being held accountable by his base, when in reality it's more or less the prompting from Fox News that's made the issue*. Meanwhile, We have election fraud in multiple states, federal court stuffing by McConnell, deplatforming of politicians, and debates / publications / peaceful demonstrations that cannot bring up actual issues without being shutdown or attacked. So that's the Soap, Ballot, and Jury boxes all compromised right there, and there's still no one holding leadership accountable. Why do you think the shutdown doesn't matter to Congress or the President? It's because they know there will be no penalty for them over it.
So yeah, don't care about who your leaders are. I'm sure you'll continue to be relevant to the powers that be in the future. Not.
*: His base would have forgotten about it during the next media blitz about the Democrats had Fox kept it's mouth shut. Now it's going to be very difficult to sweep that back under the rug and reopen the government unless another major news story breaks out. Such a story would have to overpower the constant shutdown coverage. Which probably means another mass shooting or some other similar disastrous event.
You sure showed him! Seriously what did that accomplish?
ACA = ROMNEYCARE you treasonous twat! And the ACA was a Republican-congress-passed ACT OF CONGRESS, conceived and first implemented by a Republican! YOU TRULY ARE A LOBOTOMY PATIENT.
Thankfully, pre-existing conditions are still covered because we didn't cave to craven traitor's demands, moron! It's amazing how retarded this GOP has allowed itself to become so quickly. "Anti-air, Obama breathes it!"
ACs, so stupid... ACA was Federal, "Romneycare" was MA only. And ACA wasn't passed by the Republicans. But you can troll all you want!
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"Can you expand on that?"
If the concept of limited resources and zero sum games are alien to you, I probably can't in a reasonable time or in a situation where you are obviously looking for a fight rather than information. I'll just note that the country has finite budget for the government and a finite size economy. Now take a look back on what you rote and see how the above facts are incompatible with your statements.
Actually, it was. The last budget passed was FY2012 - it's been continuing resolutions since then. And FY2012's budget had funding for "Border Security Fencing, Infrastructure, and Technology". Pulling that spending out of the CR is actually not allowed - as it is a change to the budget. In this case, Pelosi and Schumer are trying to do an end-run around the laws relating to continuing resolutions.
That budget had $800 million for "Border Security, Fencing, Infrastructure, and Technology"; no where near $5 billion. The proposed budget passed by the Senate had $1.3 billion for border security, a significant increase. But there was certainly nothing in the budget bill you link to anywhere near $5 billion. The bill instead shows a decreasing level of border security construction over a three year period.
-- All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. -- Edmund Burke
Obamacare wasn't part of the status quo whats your point?
Obamacare had been passed over 3 years earlier, and was certainly the status quo. It was passed legislation.
Its basically President vs Congress each time thats all that matters.
That is a very shallow way of looking at it. If you think every time a President and Congress dispute each other the nuance of their disagreement doesn't matter, it is impossible for you to have an intelligent discussion about this.
-- All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. -- Edmund Burke
So we agree you were wrong - the last budget actually did have border wall funding. Thanks!
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Obama did the same thing. When Republicans removed Obamacare from the budget, he refused to sign it and allowed the government to shut down until he got the funding he wanted.
Trump should take Pelosi and Schumer at their word. If they say walls don't work, and only more border patrol agents and tech work, and if he truly believes that illegal immigration on the southern border is an emergency, he should move all the border and customs agents and tech they have on the coasts that stop people from entering the country illegally to the southern border. Let the ports on the coasts experience 'no walls', and unlimited immigration. Last I heard, homeland security works for the president, and he can ask the director to shift his resources as necessary. If it is an emergency, that shift could happen overnight. I expect that if this happened, 5 bil (and more) would be offered up rather quickly, if not immediately upon announcement.
He ran because he needed to be able to borrow money, he's such a bad risk that nobody would lend. Except the Russian Mafia, of course. So he ran to get his name up, nothing else.
It shouldn't take a government shutdown to stop scientists from flying across the country and adding to global warming. Lead by example!
It's more like the government shutdown is putting a damper on the hipster alchemists. It's WA state, after all.
When the government eventually reopens, scientists warn reversing damage won't be as easy as coming back to work. "Never before have I seen the federal government tempt fate in science the way we are today," says Scientist. "It's not about what has happened already. It's about what could happen if we don't get our hands on that sweet sweet tax payer money."
The IRS should charge extra taxes on liberals AND there employers, any who voted or donated for insane un-america democrat party to fund wall. Hit them hard where it hurts.
Just because there are such things as "Never Trumpers" doesn't mean his MO is to divide the country.
That's just a weird thing to say. Never Trumpers are a Republican group. I didn't say anything about dividing the Republican party, which is also something that he's doing but not his MO. That's just a side effect of being such a disgraceful person. I was talking about the whole country: his method has been to place blame for all that is wrong on Muslims, "Mexicans" (his word for Latin Americans), and Democrats. Also the Chinese.
You really shouldn't be using the word "you" when you're talking to me about Democratic congressmen, I am not a Democratic congressman. I don't know where you got that impression. However, to address your comments about the electoral college: while the electoral college was originally intended to put a buffer between the tyranny of the masses and real power (our founding fathers were terrified that uneducated poor people might be able to directly elect officials), it hasn't operated in that capacity for more than a hundred years. So no, the electoral college is not one of the institutions that I was talking about.
I don't really understand the rest of your examples... I have criticized the senate many times, usually for bad decisions that they have made. They have made many such decisions while the GOP has had a majority, though this is not the only situation under which the senate has made bad decisions. The senate makes a lot of decisions, many of which are bad. You've got several other examples of things that you think I am, or have done. I guess you think I'm some specific democratic congressman who has done all of the things that you're talking about? Which congressman do you think I am?
Trump is not a threat in waiting, he's not in waiting at all. He is a disaster in progress. I am not the slightest bit objective about Trump, that ship has sailed. I was objective about Trump at one time, then I learned about him and I formed an opinion. That's what opinions are, that's how they work.
As for your comments about the media: I had to look up who Claas Relotius was. He was a journalist who worked for Der Spiegel, until they fired him for lying. And... how do you know this? Because Der Spiegel reported it. But Der Spiegel is the media, and are therefore lying liars, so that must mean that Claas Relotius is an innocent victim of Der Spiegel... Or maybe Der Spiegel is a victim of Claas Relotius? I'm wondering how you've managed to spin this in your head so that they're both evil.
You have here a situation where a newspaper (the media) claims that they've discovered that a journalist has been submitting falsified stories, and you're holding this as an example for why we shouldn't trust the media. If you don't trust the media, why do you believe that Claas Relotius lied? Why do you believe that Claas Relotius even exists?
This is silly. All of the bullshit about "the MSM" is silly. Who watches the watchers? Other watchers, obviously. That's what they're for, that's why we have more than one.
"It is the Government's utmost responsibility to insure the continued functioning of the Government. In the event the Government is ever allowed to shut down, Shenanigans shall be declared, both houses of congress and the executive office shall be immediately disbanded and the current incumbents barred from participating in the federal government for life. New elections shall be held immediately. A fund shall be allocated and held in reserve for these elections."
I'm trying to teach myself to set people on fire with my mind... Is it hot in here?
Yes, your pedantic argument that there was some wall funding in probably all budgets for decades is correct. While I was implicitly referring to trump's request for significant increases to wall funding, I didn't explicitly state that. I should have been more clear for those who couldn't understand the context.
-- All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. -- Edmund Burke
That's just a weird thing to say. Never Trumpers are a Republican group. I didn't say anything about dividing the Republican party,
I was using the phrase as a general term to apply to the left as well because not everyone on the left is "never Trump".
I was talking about the whole country: his method has been to place blame for all that is wrong on Muslims, "Mexicans" (his word for Latin Americans), and Democrats. Also the Chinese.
I have seen these lines repeated in various news outlets and when I see the full context and language it is hardly as damning as portrayed. Uncouthed but not "blame all Mexicans". Maybe there is a new story which this time is as bad as portrayed.
Claas Relotius
He was CNN journalist of the year. He lied for years. How can you trust CNN when their "journalist of the year" turns out to be a serial liar? You would think they would have researched the guy and his work before giving him such an award. Yes, journalism is necessary for democracy but that doesn't mean everything they say is true nor does it protect them from criticism. When the media is biased and puts forward their bias as news and actively make the news about them, they no longer are journalists. This is what has happened. Journalists are acting as activists.
you're holding this as an example for why we shouldn't trust the media.
Oh no that is just the more recent example that came to mind. I have seen too many lies in print that stupidity is hardly a satisfactory explanation. You and others put the media on a pedestal. You and others are making it as if Trump and the distrust in the media is a new thing. That they have been acting with integrity and honor and that Trump is completely baseless to criticize the media for their reporting*. That they only report facts about Trump and it's only ignorant Trumptard bigots that ignore the wisdom and glory of fact based reporting.
* Trump deserves some blame but it isn't one sided. The media are failing to do their job because many journalists and outlets were invested in Clinton and took it personally that she lost.
Because they didn't believe him in the first place. They think the wall is a good idea, no matter who pays for it.
"First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
Moreover, why exactly are the guys losing their jobs to "illegals?" It's already illegal to hire people not allowed to be in the country, so why are their employers firing the US citizens and hiring undocumented workers to take their place?
Because the Americans are lazy and do poor work in comparison. That's how it was when I worked at a place that hired illegals.
"First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
Yeah, and? In theory we already do.
“He’s not deformed, he’s just drunk!”
She made a proposition to start a shooting war with a nuclear power to secure her legacy as a strong leader.
Take up a history book. Every other president for over a century has started a new war and the next one ends it all for glory and prestige. So far, so far, Trump has bucked that pattern.
Yeah. I'll take a degenerate president over yet another bloody worthless war while we tell the people who die for the president's ego they are heroes.
Something is wrong with our society when space science funding is suspended because of a political disagreement over "The Wall".
Something is wrong in your society in general when funding for operational services are suspended because of political disagreement for any new law or proposal. The science part is completely irrelevant. Other countries have laws that specifically state that you can't tack anything not related to operational budget to the operational budget bill.
Have you stopped and thought that your reasoning is being applied by the other side as well? The budget for the border wall is less than a third of what we pay for the war on terror every month. It's a pittance. The democrat leadership are the ones holding everyone hostage.
How exactly is starting a trade war with China and the EU "mundane status quo governance"?
"It's such a fine line between stupid and clever" -- David St. Hubbins, Spinal Tap
Chuck and Nancy voted for much larger wall protection packages. The difference is in the presidency.
Whatever comes from Trump's mouth must be immediately fought.
I started Trump's presidency hating him, now, once it came to his actions, not his words, the blatant lies of opposition media, like the "dance" campaign, became pretty obvious.
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The amount of lies those folk say to try and get a green card is ridiculous. These folk are hell bent to take what doesn't belong to them.
My only brush with organized crime in USA was with M-13. They brutally murdered a son of my acquiescence.
THAT's the problem. Illegals are perfect community for these degenerates that liberal public loves so much. Muslims are subjected to "terrorism enhancement" all the time, while organized crime gets slap on the wrist despite the fact that they kill disproportionately larger amount of people as part of their gang activity, starting from killing absolutely innocent people that have no relation to any of the traditional gang territories as part of gang initiation.
It's a disgrace. Putting a stop to cross-border human trafficking is a good start to reduce this ground.
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The problem is that both sides are very belligerent. Granted, Trump started it with his personality. Part of the system "doing business as usual on both sides" that people voted against by voting for him has also the ability to compromise. Sleazeballs they are, they did must less posturing in the part.
Nowadays, at this point, none of the sides can give up without a crushing political fiasco.
Of course, they will come to compromise, it's just the posturing stage that became significantly longer.
National emergency threat puts Democrats in the defending seat.
What would be their move?
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>Trump and McConnell are the ONLY problem actors here. Trump for threatening veto and McConnell for refusing to bring a bill to vote. Any somewhat functional Senate would just override Trump's veto.
That's a simplification.
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so why would anyone want to negotiate with someone holding hostages?
False equivalence. No one's life is in danger, and Trump was elected at least in part to build the wall. I think that we can all agree that there are too many government jobs already, so maybe with the shutdown we'll find out how necessary many of those jobs really are.
Argue about the wall later.
That's what happened last year and nothing moved forward with the wall, hence the change of tactics.
If Congress repeatedly sends budgets to the president and he doesn't sign them, then it will be obvious that he's the only one not doing his job.
You're basing that on the assumption that Congress has the good of the country and its people in mind when they send the budgets to the president.
They just don't want to spend their own money to do so.
Yes indeed scientists could instead spend their own money on doing their job rather than being paid to do it like fucking everyone else on the planet.
They'd rather have the tab for their flights their hotels, and all their meals, plus conference attendance fees, paid for by the taxpayer.
Yes this is how it works. If you do travel for business purposes your employer pays.
So far all you've added is "herp derp gubbermint sccientists" as a reason why not.
SJW n. One who posts facts.
dumb buffoon is better than a smart well established crook that is in bed with the media.
On wht grounds is Trump less of a crook than Hillary? He's done fucktons of skeezy shit.
SJW n. One who posts facts.
If the concept of limited resources and zero sum games are alien to you
The world isn't a zero sum game.
SJW n. One who posts facts.
'cause he had to pay the INTEREST on the national debt run up by your 'fiscally conservative' Presidents Bush and Reagan. AC
You can't really be that fucking stupid, can you?
No, but obviously you are.. :)
Same reason democrats weren't infuriated when they couldn't keep their doctor or insurance plan?
I kept my doctor and plan. Everyone I know kept their doctor and plan. I heard about someone from the media who had to give up one of the minimal emergency plans. I don't see your analogy, given Trump now wants me to pay for his vanity project.
Well allow me to introduce myself.. I lost my plan AND my doctor because of the ACA. What's more, I pay more for my healthcare now too. So now you cannot make your claim that you know nobody who...
BTW, it's not a vanity project, it's a campaign promise that he's trying to make good on. Imagine trying to fulfill your campaign promises.. What a concept... Like him or not, want what he is trying to do or not, this is unique among political operatives these days.
"File to fit, pound to insert, paint to match" - Aircraft Maintenance 101
Votes are money.
For some... Usually it's votes are power and power can be parlayed into money if those in power wish, but votes are expensive too when you try to buy them. Also, power can be used for good and not profit, though rare in political circles, it does happen.
"File to fit, pound to insert, paint to match" - Aircraft Maintenance 101
I'm guessing they may make the impeachment mistake if this drags on too long, but for everybody's sake I hope they don't mess things up with that.
Personally, I think they should ask for the DACA fix or some other pet program to offset their political loss at granting the 5.6 Billion, but I'm at a loss to figure what they want badly enough to loose this hand on the border wall. You have any ideas what they might want in return?
"File to fit, pound to insert, paint to match" - Aircraft Maintenance 101
No, I'm suggesting the only sort of science that should be done, is that which is interesting enough to crowdfund.
SJW: a person who perceives an injustice, and while correcting it, commits a greater injustice.
I expect anything the government touches to become corrupt, especially science.
SJW: a person who perceives an injustice, and while correcting it, commits a greater injustice.
Any endowment you create will be buffeted by every political tantrum.
SJW: a person who perceives an injustice, and while correcting it, commits a greater injustice.
Don't lie, you were going to vote for him anyways because you're a partisan.
Because, of course, progressives are inherently dishonest.
SJW: a person who perceives an injustice, and while correcting it, commits a greater injustice.
Who ever said the wall would be unguarded? Those gun ports between slats are there for a reason.
SJW: a person who perceives an injustice, and while correcting it, commits a greater injustice.
Are you under the impression that the Earth is infinite?
SJW: a person who perceives an injustice, and while correcting it, commits a greater injustice.
"It's not like the scientists get to pocket any of the money themselves. "
Because they work entirely voluntarily and eat air?
SJW: a person who perceives an injustice, and while correcting it, commits a greater injustice.
Outsource it, baby - like everything else. Get the 6 Million Rupee Man: https://www.bbc.co.uk/programm...
Trump is both the crook and the fool. His scams are well documented, verified in court.
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SJW, n: "Someone I don't like, and by the way I'm a fuckwit" - AC
I never understood the bionic man. His "super power" appeared to be doing normal stuff in slow motion.
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SJW, n: "Someone I don't like, and by the way I'm a fuckwit" - AC
Problem is that both the Ds and Rs hate Trump almost equally. If anything he will just encourage them both to ensure nothing like this happens again, e.g. even less choice of candidates next time around.
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SJW, n: "Someone I don't like, and by the way I'm a fuckwit" - AC
Clinton might actually being doing something useful about migration too, i.e. the long term fixes that are the only way to sort it out.
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SJW, n: "Someone I don't like, and by the way I'm a fuckwit" - AC
"Because the Americans are lazy and do poor work in comparison. That's how it was when I worked at a place that hired illegals."
Americans won't work hard for shit money. Illegals have been fucked so hard that our shit money looks like good money to them. So we get yet another race to the bottom as those willing to hire illegals outcompete those not willing to do so. We never would have got here in the first place without government enabling it, though. Deportation is used as a profit maximization tool. Just call ICE in to be there when you hand out the last check of the season. And they won't show up before then if you just grease the wheels correctly...
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
And that's just one example. How about something smaller? It's been common practice for decades that a presidential candidate should release his tax returns. This isn't a rule though, it's a custom, so Trump decided to ignore it and the voters allowed him to get away with that. Thus the custom is broken and any individual as corrupt as Trump in this way can now run for president in the future, free from the burden of not cheating on his taxes.
By electing Trump, the people have said they don't care about the candidates tax returns. So they don't care that future candidates don't release theirs either.
You need a better argument.
For most of the time that the current budgeting and appropriations process has been in force, which is since 1977, Congress has only had their appropriations passed on time four times while most of the time they have less than a quarter of necessary appropriations passed before the beginning of the fiscal year (October 1st, 2018 for FY2019). There's been at least ten years since 1977 where they failed to pass a single appropriations bill prior to the start of the fiscal year.
FY2019 is a fairly bad case because it's showing just how much partisan politics is getting in the way of funding the government and this current issue goes back to the beginning of 2018.
The first step would have been to pass a non-binding budget resolution for FY2019 by April 15, 2018. This budget resolution only requires majorities in both the House and Senate and is not subject to filibuster. It's important to keep in mind that from January 1, 2018 and April 15, 2018 the Republicans held the Senate with 51 seats for most of that period of time and consequently could only afford to lose one Senator to a no vote. That House had passed budgets in committee, which is pretty much something that can be guaranteed, but they never went to a floor vote. I don't believe that they had an adequate roadmap to get a budget resolution that could get majorities in both the House and the Senate partly due to confidence in the Democrats that they would take the House and Senate and didn't want to be bound by what the Republicans laid out. The failure to pass the budget resolution is significant from a process perspective because it eliminated budget reconciliation as a method for passing appropriations bills and without being able to use budget reconciliation it causes spending bills to be subjected to the Senate's filibuster rules.
Once the budget resolution is passed, Congress is supposed to pass appropriations bills before the beginning of the fiscal year which would have been October 1, 2018 for FY2019. From April 15 until the 116th Congress took office the Republicans were reliant on the agreement of nine or ten Democrats in the Senate for any spending bills to be passed due to not passing a budget resolution.
With the 116th Congress, facts have shifted. While the Democrats can pass any spending bill they want they are reliant on the support of thirteen Senate Republicans for it to avoid a filibuster or they require 55 House and 20 Senate Republicans in order to overcome a Presidential veto.
Trade relations and negotiation between governments are mundane and common.
There was/is a growing population who feel that many of the trade deals we have are unfavorable for a variety of reasons. Sanders comes to mind.
There were only 2 contenders. Sorry, but that's a fact.
Trump is the best chance we've had in decades of getting the Ds and Rs to dump the dirt they've got on each other. Then we get two new parties that might not be hopelessly corrupt.
I'm in a safe D state, I didn't vote for Trump.
Vermin Supreme 2020! Surely you noticed how incompetent the prominent 3rd party candidates were last cycle? The Greeny was a bad joke, the Libertarian couldn't speak. Hillary had people everywhere trying to engineer every aspect. I'll bet she not only fixed the D primaries, she fixed the R primaries as well. She wanted Trump, knowing how bad a candidate she was.
A vote for a third party candidate in 2016 was a vote to have more than two parties in 2020.
A vote for a third party candidate in 2020 is a vote to have more than two parties in 2024.
Think long term.
Wall protection != building a new wall. Nobody is opposed to protecting our borders, or shoring up the existing walls. What's pointless is spending $5B on starting a completely new wall that'll be built in places where it'll have virtually no effect.
The "Dance" thing I see denied by many conservatives now, but I saw it unfold in real time, including the original attempt by RWNJ conservative @realdanjordan (which was subsequently copied, and lazily at that, by @AnonymousQ1776) It was clearly an attempt to poke fun at her, that backfired hugely. The fact conservatives walked it back (in some cases legitimately and with honor, but only in some cases) doesn't change what it was and what it attempted to do.
Trump has done enough things for the usual mistakes made by the media (which oddly seem to mostly be anti-Democrat, not anti-Republican) to not be an issue with anyone trying to determine his trustworthiness or human decency. If you've decided to support him because you saw Anderson Cooper say a mean thing about him, well, there's no helping you.
You are not alone. This is not normal. None of this is normal.
The general welfare clause is a statement of goals and intent for the purpose of raising taxes. It cannot be a grant of power because it structurally makes no sense for it to be so with the explicit grants of power that come after it that give it the power to raise armies and navies as well as fund the militia by equipping it, and allowed them to issues marques of reprisal. Those grants of power are extraneous and unnecessary if the general welfare clause is itself a grant of power as they themselves are all the potential entities that provide for the common defense at the time the Constitution was drafted.
I think you might have a slight problem with reading comprehension.
How exactly is starting a trade war with China and the EU "mundane status quo governance"?
"It's such a fine line between stupid and clever" -- David St. Hubbins, Spinal Tap
It's a very insightful comment, however crowd-funding science is quite tricky - as humans react well to what is directly ahead, and not so well for things beyond time horizon, and flowers of science usually take more than 100 years to bloom. Today we benefit from quantum and general relativity theories, even more, we cannot leave houses without gadgets rooted in them. I do not think that any company would fund something with more than 100 years of return and very few people would as well, yet due to more and more complexity science becomes more expensive. Let's consider MRI, try to think of making a project like this without any basic science in physics, math, chemistry, biology, etc, in my opinion it would be inconceivable as a crowd-funding project even less so as a private company project without all the basic knowledge accumulated through just curiosity and basic research.
I like the way you think.
Perhaps you don't understand "Trade relations and negotiation between governments are a mundane and common.". Remove "trade war" from any reporting and it's just regular economic news with ups and downs with trends.
A trade war is a negotiation on relations and trade. Negotiation on relations and trade are common and somewhat expected by governments as they change over time. The Chinese would tit for tat to save face on any renegotiation that didn't have the same favorability as pre-existing deals. Common, mundane, and status quo governance.
Keep it shut down long enough and necessary government functions will be funded and non-necessary functions will be defunded and not done by the federal government.
There's no right to have thousands of scientist, researchers and college faculty jobs subsidized / funded through fed science funding, dod funding, nasa functing and subsidized student loans.
So if someone beats you up it is also just a negotiation on relations then? This is not how civilised people do negotiations.
Moreover, I don't think "status quo" means what you think it means.
"It's such a fine line between stupid and clever" -- David St. Hubbins, Spinal Tap
The problem is politicians crippling the government because their pet projects don't get funding, not that the government spends money on scientific research.
But consider this: given a choice between voting for the knave and voting for the fool, you should vote for the knave. Why? Because the knave is competent. But watch the knave like a hawk.
Well, the only people who can "watch" that knave are the "intelligence" agencies. Those agencies pretend to be held in check by the Executive, but as we have seen, those agencies are NOT fully controlled by the Executive. Even worse, those agencies fully believe they are above Congress as can be seen by having the Director (James Clapper) explicitly and deliberately lie to a Congressional panel.
In theory, your argument is correct. In reality, reality is far more complex than theory.
I guess you have been reading selective accounts of current events. Even the Rs don't like the way DJT is pulling out of Syria. And several erstwhile cabinet-members who are generals didn't like it either.
This is actually one of the most interesting developments during this Presidency. Either the military industrial complex will have Trump assassinated because he is no longer controllable or ... there is no "or" here. This is huge money that Trump is currently fucking with and the people who normally receive that money are vicious and amoral. I have no idea what is coming after this surprising decision.
"Someone needs to talk to the tree of liberty about its ghoulish drinking problem." by ohnocitizen
TPP was in part to address the trade deal with China as it meant to isolate and contain the Chinese. Obama was more passive aggressive. IOW, creating a favorable economic relationship with China has been the goal of many past administrations. One my say, status quo.
Comparing a trade war to "someone beats you up" is hyperbolic and you know it. There is no violence and both parties are working together reasonably and civilly despite disagreements and other issues.
"how civilized people do negotiations." Yea, better to be passive aggressive and dishonest in your intentions than to state the issue forwardly. /s Besides, "how civilized people do negotiations" isn't addressing the point that trade relations and negotiation are common and mundane.
Civilized people used to march in lines and stand in front of guns to fight wars. Civilized people used enslaved others for their own good. "how civilized people do things" is a flowery wording of "jump on the band wagon I am on because I'm better than you". It means nothing. Civilized people lose to barbarians because a barbarian knows how stupid "civilized" people can be.
with NBC for his reality show after he found out he wasn't the top paid reality TV star.
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despite causing a government shut down and even admitting to causing it on live TV. It's scary. He really could shoot somebody in Time Square and his followers wouldn't care. They're not thinking, they're feeling. When a large percentage of people think the head of state is above all criticism it never ends well.
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>The "Dance" thing I see denied by many conservatives now, but I saw it unfold in real time, including the original attempt by RWNJ conservative @realdanjordan (which was subsequently copied, and lazily at that, by @AnonymousQ1776)
Still seems like nothing to me.
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There were only 2 contenders. Sorry, but that's a fact.
Yes, and you are required to vote for one of them. Don't make any attempt otherwise. Don't tell anyone they should vote for anyone else other than for one of the two parties in control of the system. In fact, tell other people voting for any other candidate that they are wasting their vote. This is the way it is, this is the way it has always been (since the 80s, at least), and this is the way it will always be. You are given two evils, and you must choose.
Remember, we all get the government we deserve. We deserve Trump. We deserve inoperable government. We chose this, it was not chosen for us. Right?
"Our two-party system is like a bowl of shit looking at itself in a mirror." - Lewis Black
Are you under the impression that the Earth is infinite?/em.
We ae a long way from using up the entie Earth. What is going on in our lifetimes and many after is not a zero sum game. the wold is moe complex than a simple asymptotic analysis.
SJW n. One who posts facts.
It would have been quicker for you to type "I'm just talking out of my ass."
I'll just note that the country has finite budget for the government and a finite size economy.
And somehow you have gone from that to "we can either have a space budget or construction workers, but never both." Sorry, but it doesn't hold up. You've got multiple logical fallacies at play here. If you don't want to defend them, fine, I wouldn't either. I wouldn't make those statements in the first place, though.
The country is not choosing between minimal science funding and construction jobs. Period. The world's largest economy will never have to make that choice no matter whether you try to artificially inject "illegals" into the discussion or not. I notice you didn't address those questions, though.
Moreover, why exactly are the guys losing their jobs to "illegals?" It's already illegal to hire people not allowed to be in the country, so why are their employers firing the US citizens and hiring undocumented workers to take their place?
Let me guess, the Big Bad Democrats are forcing these patriotic employers to fire their patriotic employees and are instead being forced to hire illegals who want to destroy America and rape their daughters. That's about the extent of the thought you put into "but illegals!" isn't it?
"Our two-party system is like a bowl of shit looking at itself in a mirror." - Lewis Black
You have any ideas what they might want in return?
To rally their base, because they want to "kick him when he's down" and then "impeach the motherfucker."
Really, the guy claiming that Trump brought belligerence to DC, obviously only started paying attention last night. A strong portion of Trump's support has been that he is WILLING to fight back. The media pegged the responsibility for Obama's shutdown on the Freedom Caucus, WHICH ONLY HAD ABOUT 50 MEMBERS!! And Republicans took it. Romney ran a limp campaign against Obama, because he was afraid of being called a racists. Trump is the first Republican we've seen that has been willing to say, "Fuck You" when they call him names. That isn't belligerence. That is a willingness to fight back against belligerence.
At this point, the Dems are just looking for a way to save face against someone that shows them for the idiots they are.
Aah, change is good. -- Rafiki
Yeah, but it ain't easy. -- Simba
So we get yet another race to the bottom as those willing to hire illegals outcompete those not willing to do so.
You know, there's a bit of a flaw in that business plan. If you're really clever, you might be able to spot it and then you'll understand why it's not actually a problem in the country today.
"Our two-party system is like a bowl of shit looking at itself in a mirror." - Lewis Black
Illegals are perfect community for these degenerates that liberal public loves so much.
Sorry, but who exactly do the liberal public love so much? MS-13? Violent gang members? Who is it that you believe a large portion of the US voting public wants to see in the country? And have you ever actually met someone saying they want those people in the country, or do you just think they want them because someone on TV told you they want them? Kind of like the "open borders" line, right? There's not a single person advocating for open borders, but that doesn't stop the True Patriots (tm) from trying to convince idiots that there are people advocating for open borders. And, those idiots believe it because doing your own research takes time and it's just comfortable when someone on TV is telling you something that you kind of feel might be true.
So, who is it that the liberal public loves so much that you're referring to here?
organized crime gets slap on the wrist despite the fact that they kill disproportionately larger amount of people as part of their gang activity, starting from killing absolutely innocent people that have no relation to any of the traditional gang territories as part of gang initiation.
You're suggesting that the US justice system treats murder as a slap on the wrist? And, let me guess. This perceived aspect of the US justice system, which doesn't actually exist, was put in place by Democrats, or whoever your own political opponent is. Is that about right?
Putting a stop to cross-border human trafficking is a good start to reduce this ground.
I think that literally everyone in America agrees with that statement, but I also bet you've allowed yourself to become convinced that "the other" doesn't support stopping human trafficking, for whatever reason.
Seriously, everyone agrees that we need border security and that reducing human trafficking is a good thing. What people disagree about is the best way to make that happen.
"Our two-party system is like a bowl of shit looking at itself in a mirror." - Lewis Black
The Electoral College's sole purpose is to disenfranchise urban areas in favor of rural areas. Of course the GOP wants to keep it, as it is literally the only way they can maintain federal power with a base that is rapidly dying off, and is rejected wholeheartedly by anyone below the age of 40 due to extremely obvious reasons.
I don't understand why you use the phrase "stack the court" in a perjorative fashion when the GOP has repeatedly and publicly stated that is their intention? Just because you are ignorant of the threat that people like Trump pose doesn't mean the rest of us are. You simply haven't paid attention. It will all become more obvious once you enter high school, as you have proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that you still are in middle school at best.
If you're really clever, you might be able to spot it and then you'll understand why it's not actually a problem in the country today.
Since you're so clever, why don't you point it out? Because it looks to me like it is a real problem.
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
You have any ideas what they might want in return?
At this point, the Dems are just looking for a way to save face against someone that shows them for the idiots they are.
Then this carnival ride is going to be a wild one that won't end any time soon. I personally hoped that once Nancy got her speakership, there would be some whining and the democrats would eventually cave. Given Trump's scheduled news conference, I have a feeling that he's going to drop a bomb of some kind (declare an emergency, get the military to build it or something) and attempt to push the democrats off dead center on this. If they don't cave, their only choice will be investigations and possible impeachment proceedings to try to divert attention from their duplicity...
Personally I don't understand how this can continue, even if Trump is a total but head, seems that 5.6 Billion is a small price to pay money wise and the longer this plays out the worse it will play for the democrats politically. The democrats are hoping that Mueller comes up with something really worth impeachment or for some unforced error from Trump's side or this will drag out, giving time for Trump to gain some PR traction with the "we where for it but are now oppose it" sound bites.
So eventually the democrats will lose even if they don't fold, but Trump can only win. You can tell when we get close to that point because the democrats will pull out all the stops and go full Kavanagh on this, committing wholesale political suicide en mass. Trump may not get his "wall" but he will assure himself of re-election in 2020 pretty much any way this plays out, sans some actual content from Mueller or another unforced error by Trump.
"File to fit, pound to insert, paint to match" - Aircraft Maintenance 101
No, you just "trust the plan" and believe that 1/3rd of the US is going to get arrested for military tribunals "any day now" right? You realize Q hasn't gotten even one single prediction correct, right? It is no wonder that most flat earthers are also Qultists, and you fit the bill perfectly kiddo.
I hope you're not as helplessly ignorant as an adult as you currently are as a child.
Wait a second. Are you a right winger that admits that the economy is a zero sum game? How have you not burst into flames yet? Do you believe that the rich getting richer simultaneously makes the poor poorer like any logically minded person? Most right wingers subscribe to the irrational notion that the economy is not a zero sum game, while simultaneously believing that the government can't print unlimited amounts of money, which are mutually exclusive ideals. One or the other being true directly leads to the other either being true or false, but many right wingers have completely abandoned dispassionate logic in favor of feelings.
As expected, you didn't read your source, or you would've realized it emphasizes the opposite of the point you're trying to make. What is it with right wingers incapable of reading their own sources? All you had to do was read your own source and unless you are legally deemed retarded, you would've realized that was a poor source as it actually proves you wrong.
Anyways, since you clearly didn't read your own link, I'll summarize it. The initial rollout of ACA was designed to keep doctors in the same networks they already existed in, but insurance companies who were about to lose a LOT of money on having to provide the service they sell, decided to fractionalize the networks even further.
So as most of us adults already know, the insurance companies are to blame for that. The original idea (that they even agreed to for the huge government handout they received), would have allowed doctors to remain in the networks they were already in.
I never understood the bionic man. His "super power" appeared to be doing normal stuff in slow motion.
And the "boi-oi-oi-oi-oi-oi-oi-oi" sound effects. Don't forget the sound effects!
Those are all Q predictions, which so far have an objective 0% success rate. So in reality, Ginsberg will be fine, Trump will not be re-elected, and Hillary won't be imprisoned?
And yet, there's only $2 trillion in cash in circulation.
SJW: a person who perceives an injustice, and while correcting it, commits a greater injustice.
And yet, there's only $2 trillion in cash in circulation.
Which means it's zero sum because there's no way of growing wealth without making someone else poorer.
SJW n. One who posts facts.
Well, not in dollars anyway. To hold down inflation, the FED artificially limits the amount of currency available.
Zimbabwe did an experiment a while back with its currency to see if we were yet at a stage where currency can be infinite- I'd suggest you look up the results of that experiment.
SJW: a person who perceives an injustice, and while correcting it, commits a greater injustice.
OK, happy to help. You see, it is currently illegal for a business to hire someone who is not allowed to legally work in the US. This is currently a crime. No new legislation needs to be passed in order for this to become illegal or get enforced. Now, I don't know how many drug dealers you've encountered throughout your life, but here's the thing: when your business model is predicated upon doing something illegal, that's something that we like to call "high risk." This business can actually get shut down and the owner fined or jailed just with one little old phone call. And, not only in theory either, it actually happens! (strange, I know, but true!)
So, what do you do if your business is being out-competed by someone committing a crime to run their business with an illegal workforce? You just pick up that little old phone on your desk, and call 1-866-DHS-2-ICE. And - just like that - no more competitor! And now you're sitting in high cotton and it's just little old you and you can charge whatever you want for your fantastic services.
Because it looks to me like it is a real problem.
And you're suggesting that there is currently no solution to this problem, right? And, not only that, but those 3.7% or so of workers who are unemployed (which is the lowest level that's been at since about 1970) are unable to find a job because the companies who hire illegal workers just straight up won't hire Americans also, right? Because, if they did, then your buddies in the unemployment line would be out there waiting to pick lettuce and tomatoes. Right? Therefore, let's spend a couple dozen billion dollars to build a giant wall. Am I following you so far?
Seriously, how exactly do you justify this being a "real problem" that "illegals" are stealing so many jobs when we have an unemployment rate that is lower than about 2/3s of Americans currently alive have ever seen?
"Our two-party system is like a bowl of shit looking at itself in a mirror." - Lewis Black
No new legislation needs to be passed in order for this to become illegal
Okay...
or get enforced.
...lol
If it were getting enforced against the largest offenders, who are easy to find because they are so very large, it would cease to be a major problem. QED, it's not getting enforced, or if it is the enforcement is wholly ineffectual (and likely designed to be so.
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
Your logical fallacy is asserting that there is a major problem when you haven't shown that. Sorry, but in order for me to consider your argument, first prove your assertion that it is currently a "major problem." As in, evidence. It's probably best to ignore the unemployment rate when you're trying to come up with things that look like evidence for that.
Also....
If it were getting enforced against the largest offenders, who are easy to find because they are so very large, it would cease to be a major problem.
Who exactly are these largest offenders, that everyone apparently knows about, who aren't getting busted for it? Names, please. And, again, you know, evidence.
QED, it's not getting enforced, or if it is the enforcement is wholly ineffectual
Or your assumptions are not correct. Which is easily the simplest answer to this particular question.
"Our two-party system is like a bowl of shit looking at itself in a mirror." - Lewis Black
I've got an even better idea. SHUT THE FUCK UP. You and your side were perfectly fine shutting shit down when the evil black man was running things. Choke on a bag of baby dicks. What's good for the goose, motherfucker.
My uncle was ran over by a WHITE GUY in a shitty Ford Ranger. Using your logic, I am perfectly within morality to hate WHITE PEOPLE and to hunt them down. And do you know what was the "perfect community" that harbored him? A goddamned trailer park. I've also been robbed once and had an attempted carjacking. Guess what? Both assailants were WHITE GUYS.
I don't use your fucked up, racist logic though. I don't hate all WHITE GUYS because of the actions of a few honky krakers. ---- I can say that- I'm a WHITE GUY.
Like I said you're a moron seeking an argument not expansion or explanation.
The Electoral College's sole purpose is to disenfranchise urban areas in favor of rural areas. is rejected wholeheartedly by anyone below the age of 40 due to extremely obvious reasons.
no idiot. the point is to promote the interests of the minority and less densely populated areas over the majority and high dense population centers. There are plenty of reasons why the rural areas of the country need their voice protected over city mono-thought. You are just looking at your bubble and extrapolating a false reality.
I don't understand why you use the phrase "stack the court"
If you can't win elections just have the courts intervene!
You simply haven't paid attention. It will all become more obvious once you enter high school, as you have proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that you still are in middle school at best.
of course diversity is only skin deep. of course those that disagree with me are ignorant bigots. of course my reality and my facts that are backed by my bias and my narrative is true. what kind of ass hole disagrees with me? I am awesome! look how i love the smell of my own farts.
beep. boop.
i can read minds. boop beep.
your mom.
At any given time it is.
So while over larger time scales things may indeed be growing over the time scale a budget is drawn up that's irrelevant.
Well, not in dollars anyway. To hold down inflation, the FED artificially limits the amount of currency available.
But it's not zero and the dollar can go up and down.
Zimbabwe did...
Zinbabwe had rampant inflation so the fact that a lage amount of the world has gone from subsistence farming to considerable wealth is irrelevant.
Look around you. Compare the wold now to 50, 100 and 200 years ago and tell me precisely how it's a zero sum game.
SJW n. One who posts facts.
There are way more churches across the nation
Each have way more attendants
Each holds a "conference" every Sunday, and maybe more times during the week, and extra ones during holidays
You'll save a lot more money and fuel if we shut down all the churches. God's everywhere isn't he? People can pray from their own homes.
Who exactly are these largest offenders, that everyone apparently knows about, who aren't getting busted for it? Names, please. And, again, you know, evidence.
Evidence — this is a list of the ones they bothered to go after.
Or your assumptions are not correct. Which is easily the simplest answer to this particular question.
Sure, if you hide your head up your ass.
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
But the government contractors are just losing money. And no, they don't get paid back like government employees do
I'm talking about artificial scarcity in the money supply. Yes, it can go up and down, but when we let it go up to infinite, inflation occurs.
SJW: a person who perceives an injustice, and while correcting it, commits a greater injustice.
You're suggesting we can either fund 10 scientists or 10,000 construction workers, but not both, and I'm the moron for calling you out on that stupid claim? You make stupid claims like that and I'm the one looking for an argument? You're not giving an explanation because there's not one. Because you're the one just trying to argue, and being asked to show any kind of evidence for your claims slows you down.
OK, buddy. Good luck with your false equivalences. I'm sure you make a really compelling argument for your audience on Facebook.
"Our two-party system is like a bowl of shit looking at itself in a mirror." - Lewis Black
Funny you all claim that the cities which have more people should have no more say, but it is PEOPLE who vote, not states. And funny how you claim it necessary because of "groupthink" of "them", but when you do so is another example of "groupthink", but since it is of "you", you do not see it as groupthink but "self evident fact".
I asked you to show evidence of the companies that apparently everyone knows are doing this, but ARE NOT being busted. You're showing people being busted for financial services around paying illegal workers, which is only evidence that the enforcement system is working, even though that is from 2012. See the link I posted earlier if you want to read about the thousands of people arrested the last 2 years. It sounds like the system is working. If you're aware of major violations going on, instead of complaining about all the pure patriotic jobs being lost, just report it. And maybe our country can move on to something actually important.
"Our two-party system is like a bowl of shit looking at itself in a mirror." - Lewis Black
0.4% is less than 1.3% (inflation).
you DO know that economists calculate inflation into their projections, right? I mean YOU don't, not when it doesn't suit you. But that's kinda par for the course for the RWNJs like yourself.
I'm absolutely sure there is stuff that the government funds that I agree with which is beyond their constitutional duty.
As an adult I accept that those areas will have to find other revenue streams should by some miracle the United States ever actually start following the constitution. And like a reasonable adult person I'm prepared to work to see that happens. The answer might be to amend the constitution to bring that activity under the responsibility of the U.S. government. Surely if it is a truly necessary and valuable contribution to the national good it should be possible to convince two-thirds of the Congress and three fourths of the states that such a thing needs to be done.
Americans won't work hard for shit money. Illegals have been fucked so hard that our shit money looks like good money to them. So we get yet another race to the bottom as those willing to hire illegals outcompete those not willing to do so.
That's true, too.
"First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
Would that be the U.S. which has the lowest rate of unemployment in their African American, Hispanic and just about everyone else since we started keeping records? Or perhaps the high stock market rate? The new businesses started?
The government was shut down because Democrats, who promised they would vote for border security 40 years ago when Reagan granted amnesty to illegals reneged on their promise and Trump's base is tired of it.
The wall is shorthand. As an object it needs to be built. As a symbol it is shorthand for the people in this country who want to address the immigration crisis rather than simply ignoring immigration laws we don't like.
The Democrats don't care about whether a wall is built or not. They just don't want to give Trump a win. As a party they are perfectly willing to allow illegal criminals to murder police officers (One of the most recent who was a legal immigrant). They are willing to allow any number of poor foreigners to die in Mexico and South America in an attempt to get to the U.S. boarder, where they are likely to be turned away, or will be exploited by criminals who will sneak them in and then further exploit them in situations which often are no more than human trafficking.
The worst thing for Democrats would be for the border to be secured and for immigration laws to be fixed. Most of the present immigration laws with stupid quotas and restrictions on people by country (read that as race/culture) were passed by Progressive Democrats in an effort to prevent Eastern Europeans, Jews and other non-WASPs from enter the U.S. in the run up to WWII. They wanted to ensure those "undesirables" didn't get into the country. The Democrats caused this problem. Like many other things they've done since the 1860's they hope people will forget what the Democrat party actually had stood for for a long time.
Loss of public trust for Washington or politicians in general is a boat that sailed a long time ago. It is ridiculous to say Trump is destroying public trust in our political institutions. It is particularly absurd to make that statement and invoke the name of Hillary Clinton, who was so dishonest she rigged her own nomination to the detriment of Sanders, and then got caught at it because her party wasn't competent enough to secure their own mail servers.
No one cares about Trump's tax returns. If people really cared about tax returns the Clintons would be in jail. Their money laundering foundation would certainly be under scrutiny.
Legislation isn't being passed because Trump is weak. It's not being passed because, unlike the Democrats the Republican leadership doesn't blackmail and threaten their members. In the Republican party people like Cruz, Romney, and a lot of the others go their own way and the party doesn't punish them for voting their conscious or for their constituencies.
Does anyone really believe that Nancy Pelosi is speaker again for any other than she has the goods on so many people that they're afraid to vote against her? She certainly hasn't done any good for the country.
Guess what they have in common?
That you need to be smoking some pretty strong stuff to think any of them have a chance in hell of happening.
Seriously, the most likely one is Ginsburg kicking it. What's more likely though, is that the Dems are going to open a real investigation into that alcoholic rapist, Kavanaugh, and rip him off the bench.
Hillary in prison? Doesn't she need to be found guilty of something first? To do that, don't the need to open up an investigation on her for something? How many investigations have they already harassed her with? And still they have nothing to convict her of. What are you fucking people waiting for? Shit, or get off the pot. Or, you could just get the fuck over it already. He's still ten times the criminal she is
Trump reelected? Your president is a laughing stock and an embarrassment on the world stage. Everybody knows that. But tell me, what about his inability to get anything done, or his sub-40% approval rating, or the blue tsunami we just saw, or the blue tsunami we'll see again in 2020 makes you think he's going to get reelected? Or is it the 'shrooms talking?
With all the evidence pointing to Trump's collusion, it obvious that treasonous piece of shit will be the one seeing prison time. But don't let that stop you from pretending to still support him.
Add in the fact that he's mired in scandal and that were going to investigate the living shit out of him. Well, that's what I'm laughing at. And I guarantee I am laughing harder than you ever could.
No you are the moron who wants to pick a fight over the fact the budget isn't infinite and Santa Claus isn't real.
Sad you can't even get yourself right.
I'm not asserting that the budget is infinite. I am asserting that we are not choosing, and will never have to choose, between funding 10 scientists or 10,000 construction jobs. It's a stupid example, and I called you out for it. That's what I'm calling you out on, your stupid fictional appeal to emotion in a scenario that is not currently happening, and will never happen in the world's largest economy.
I never said the budget is infinite. You're just using an absurd hypothetical in a bad attempt to sway people to your badly-informed political opinion. If your opinion on this matter was so valid and well thought-out, you wouldn't be setting up some sort of hypothetical where we have to choose between funding 10 scientists or 10,000 construction jobs. But you don't have another example because, like I said, your opinion is badly-informed and not well thought-out. So you scoop up logical fallacies like appeal to emotion and hope no one notices. Well, I did.
I shouldn't be surprised that someone coming up with absurd hypotheticals in an appeal to emotion can't understand what other people are talking about. There's a lot of confusion in you. Let me know if you need me to spell anything else out for you. The people who modded my comment up to 5 at least understood the point.
"Our two-party system is like a bowl of shit looking at itself in a mirror." - Lewis Black
Yadda Yadda Yadda your statements are above try harder
tHe reAL parTy wiLL cOmE wHEn yOUr prEsIdENt iS siTTiNg iN jAiL, bITch!!!
No idea what that means, but you're obviously not interested in standing behind whatever you say. Take care. Best of luck convincing your audience on Facebook, I'm sure they all think you make really good points.
"Our two-party system is like a bowl of shit looking at itself in a mirror." - Lewis Black
What I said stands on it's own.
I really would love to know how we never have to make budget choices and the budget never gets cut as you claim
Loss of public trust for Washington or politicians in general is a boat that sailed a long time ago.
No one cares about Trump's tax returns.
Does anyone really believe that Nancy Pelosi is speaker again for any other than she has the goods on so many people that they're afraid to vote against her?
You seem to be projecting your own beliefs onto everyone else. You should work on that, it's a big country with a lot of people who disagree with you.
Also: I did not invoke Hillary Clinton. I find it darkly amusing that you would suggest I did.
I have not claimed either of those. Again, you are clearly confused, it is evident in your assertions. Like that one claiming that I said we never have to make budget choices. Not sure where you think that argument came into play, but I never made it (I DID say we will never have to choose between 10 scientists and 10,000 construction jobs, which is true, because that's a really stupid argument).
I suppose that's not entirely true, I know how you got from point A to point B. You attempted to process my criticism, but instead of understanding what I was saying you decided to push my argument to its extreme, and then set up that strawman as if that was the argument I was making instead of my actual argument. Because it's a lot easier to knock down a strawman. It's a lot easier for you to argue that we have to make budget choices, even though I never argued that we never have to make budget choices.
I realize this is all probably pretty confusing to you, so just go ahead and reply with "yadda yadda yadda" followed by some word salad because, again, that's easier than trying to think. Or, just dismiss me as a moron, which, again, requires as little thinking as possible on your part.
"Our two-party system is like a bowl of shit looking at itself in a mirror." - Lewis Black
That's true. But in the meantime, there is a chance they will get triggered and dump the vaults of dirt the DNC and RNC has on each other.
Clearly the RNC won't trigger MAD to save Trump, but the DNC is all in to protect Clinton, being full of her croneys.
I'm optimistic, unless Clinton dies or something, the dirt has a good chance of dumping.
John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'
I'm basically a gridlock voter.
Inoperable government IS the best we can get out of the current system.
Bitcoin hasn't succeeded in monkeywrenching their printing presses, so that needs work. We'll never again have limited government while unlimited budgets are the norm. Not even government incompetence and waste can fix unlimited budgets.
John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'
You really think the democrats will burn everything just to save Clinton?!
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SJW, n: "Someone I don't like, and by the way I'm a fuckwit" - AC
Yes, because Clinton will burn them to save herself, unless they keep her out of prison and rolling in money.
The 'die' option is not that unlikely, will garner sympathy etc.
Live by the 'heart attack while awaiting trial', die by it. I wouldn't write either Clinton any life insurance policies.
I think when on the horns of this dilemma the DNC will just eliminate the individual. But if she has good enough personal security, it could be dump time.
John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'