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Tesla Launches Supercharger V3 With 1,000mph Charging, Better Efficiency, and More (electrek.co)
Yesterday, Tesla launched the next generation Supercharger V3 with higher charging capacity, better efficiency, and more. The biggest new feature is the ability to deliver a new 250 kW of peak power thanks to an "all-new liquid cooled cable design." Electrek reports: According to the company, the cable is "significantly lighter, more flexible, and more efficient" than their current air-cooled cable found on the V2 Superchargers. Other than the cable, the Supercharger V3 should be undifferentiated from V2 at the station. The company didn't even release new pictures for V3. The new 250 kW peak at the station is also enabled by a new 1 MW power cabinet. Instead of using onboard chargers staked together, the new Supercharger is built using technology Tesla developed for its massive grid energy storage system. With the new technology, there will be no power share between stalls like in the current version.
On Tesla's most efficient vehicles, like the Long Range Model 3, the company says that the new Supercharger V3 can add up to 75 miles of range in 5 minutes and charge at a peak rage of 1,000 miles per hour of range. A new 'On-Route Battery Warmup' software feature was also announced. When entering a Supercharger station in your navigation system, the vehicle's software will "intelligently heat the battery to ensure you arrive at the optimal temperature to charge." That's assuming you have enough charge in the battery when you come in. The new feature alone should reduce "average charge times for owners by 25%," according to the automaker. Model S and X owners may be disappointed to hear that the new peak charging rates won't be available for their vehicles at launch. Instead, they will have to wait for a software update "in the coming months." Model 3 vehicles will be the first to receive the software update to support the new speeds.
On Tesla's most efficient vehicles, like the Long Range Model 3, the company says that the new Supercharger V3 can add up to 75 miles of range in 5 minutes and charge at a peak rage of 1,000 miles per hour of range. A new 'On-Route Battery Warmup' software feature was also announced. When entering a Supercharger station in your navigation system, the vehicle's software will "intelligently heat the battery to ensure you arrive at the optimal temperature to charge." That's assuming you have enough charge in the battery when you come in. The new feature alone should reduce "average charge times for owners by 25%," according to the automaker. Model S and X owners may be disappointed to hear that the new peak charging rates won't be available for their vehicles at launch. Instead, they will have to wait for a software update "in the coming months." Model 3 vehicles will be the first to receive the software update to support the new speeds.
You have to reach Mach 1.35 before it starts charging?
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The latest chargers installed in Europe are 350kW, with 500kW rollout beginning.
The main issue is that most cars can't take high enough voltage to make it practical. The Audi eTron will be the first to hit 350kW most likely, at 800V.
It will be interesting to see what Tesla to to get their charging up to 250kW given the lower voltage of the battery packs.
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Congratulations to the engineers working on this stuff. It sounds great!
And corresponding battery life was totally shot.
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I won't be impressed until I can charge a car to 100% capacity in 10 minutes or less and still have a 300+ mile range.
I think it refers to the rate of power delivery compared to the rate of power draw a vehicle woul duse to go 1000Mph.
example, suppose that sustaining 100Miles per hour in air drag were to require , to pick an approximate number, 25KW of engine power. Noiw scale this by 10. that's 250KW and 1000Mph. I'd actually say that the real number is about half that for most cars. so really this is 550MPH charging that someone rounded up.
Now this is wonderful in the sense that it's actually the unit you care about. If you are using your car sustainably on a drive across the country then if you have to recharge it every 5 hours for 5 hours then you aren't going to get far. it it takes 5 hours to recharge 5 hours of drivine then the rate of charging is equivalent to your rate of travel when moving. e.g. 60MPH. so if you can do it ten times faster then it takes ten times less long. It's a convenient unit as perplexing as it sounds.
One the other hands it's fundamentally insane. Asking a member of the public to make connections that carry megawatts is Bonkers. And in fact it never will be anything but bonkers... ever. The only form of dense energy storage that we've come up with that is not so explosive is in fact gasoline. It's redicluously safe when you consider the crazy amount of energy you are transfering when your hand is on the gas pump handle. Electricity isn't that safe. I don't think it can ever be. Megawatts of power just burns holes in things at the slightest resistance. Even a 1 ohn resister would melt metal instantly and probably spray plasma.
there's a reason why our houses have 110 volts. It's the transition point between air gap jumping plasma arcs that are self sustaining st elmos' fire death and spakes that just damp out. Get up to 480 and you are wielding plasma torches. Likewise 20 amps is where things like small resistances in connections start to just matter but can usually be managed.
megawatts is just bonkers. no way will this ever be safe as this fleet ages.
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Having installed one of the supercharger locations I can tell you that they are not exactly light weight on the power. Each charging cabinet was fed with 480Vac @ 175Amps, 3 phase. About 145KW. Each cabinet had a pair of chargers. The units were water cooled too. Pretty nicely engineered affair to be honest. I really would not want to put my car on one of the V2 units, Lithium batteries prefer to be charged at a more sedate rate. I can only imagine just how bad the V3 would fuck them up!
Can I build an arc welder to plug into it?
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Long lines. That's what. Arab oil embargo all over again. Fits. Trick Dick. Trump.
Please convert miles to hogs heads so the metric community can understand.
My Leaf had a programming recall for the Guess-O-Meter. After the dealer updated the software, the car bricked. They gave me a loaner for a couple of hours until they could contact Nissan corporate in Japan.
The solution - unplug the battery, wait a minute and plug it back in. Perhaps the mechanic at the dealer should have watched a few episodes of the IT Crowd.
They put a supercharger on a Tesla?! How in the...but....OHHH.
They should change the name of it, we already have those for cars. Wikipedia
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So, my car regains 400mi of range when I fill-up the tank in 5mins. So, should Exxon-Shell claim to have deployed over 50,000 charging stations which charge at almost 5000mph?
Or at least ther NYT seems to think so -
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/06/business/energy-environment/tesla-stock-strategy.html
What sort of hit does the local power grid take when it suddenly needs to provide a quarter of a Megawatt to a single Supercharger?
Do the local streetlights dim?
Do local Houses brownout?
Or is a whole new Power Grid installed for each Supercharger installed?
Our US power infrastructure is on shaky ground as it is. Imagine if this was being used while there were other drains on the grid like a cold snap or heatwave.
So this is only an issue for Tesla.
Is this where EVs start to make sense on a 600+ KM ice road or mountain pass in Canada?
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V2 vs. V3 charging
The charge time to 50% charge really is close to half that of the V2 charger. I suspect future SW updates will optimize this somewhat further.
Given that for some one going from 0 to 100%, the net savings will not be some eye popping number. But for those who drive in with 30 miles on the battery and fill 200 miles per session might see significant savings, from 35 minutes to 20 minutes, may be.
But the real winners are the yet to be made pickup truck and the roadster. Their battery capacity is very high and they can soak up power at 1000 miles/hr for 15 minutes or so, picking up 250 miles in 15 minutes.
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So once they mentioned liquid cooled cables in order to keep heat down from all the amp draw. I began to be concerned about how safe this is running such a high draw into those batteries. Used to say those quick charges kill battery life faster?
When I first saw the headline, I'm thinking: "It's the ship that made the Kessel run in less than 12 parsecs."
Then I thought: "No, this is Tesla. Just the latest example of Elon taking a well know and well understood term (like "autopilot") and redefining it into something completely different."
So now with the "Super-Duper Charger" we can recharge a Tesla in a mere 20 minutes ... unless the wattage/amperage causes the car to spontaneously ignite fusion and go off like a low-level nuke.
Brand new gas cars generally don't have their bumpers falling off a few weeks after purchase
QC is a joke at Tesla. All they care about is hitting their sales numbers. Long-term reliability will be a shit filled dumpster fire.
Finally, a Tesla product I really want to try.
If gasoline was synthetic and carbon neutral, there wouldn't be a need for electric.
Teslas with Autopilot are so safe they don't need bumpers.
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"Carbon neutral" means only one thing, planting enough trees.
Musk, Tesla, marketing bullshit not required.
Nor do they need a chassis. You can save lots of weight and power by sitting on top of the 4-wheeled battery in open air.
It's self driving - no risk to the driver whatsoever.
"charge at a peak rage of 1,000 miles per hour"?
I'm excited by whatever new physics they're teaching these days!
Tesla can announce or put on the market whatever they like. Matters zero fucks. It is just a matter of time before some real car maker scoops them up from a bankruptcy proceeding.
No, I do not and have never and never intend to trade their stock. That was for you blinded sheep fan boys.