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'Kyle's Mom' is Dead at Age 38
Packetbasher writes "Yahoo News is reporting that Mary Kay Bergman has committed suicide. Mary Kay was responsible for 'many of South Park's female denizens--from the prickly Ms. Cartman to Stan's beloved Wendy.'"
That blows chunks!
I've lost a family member to suicide. Its always a sad occasion when this should happen. And this begs the question "What now" for south park? All I can do is hope that critics of southpark won't seize this as proof of their criticism.
I never was a huge fan of South Park, but it did have it's moments that it'd get a chuckle out of me.
I just hope we don't see religious or other communities saying this is an answer to their prayers. Even if you don't agree with the humor doesn't mean that this loss of life is any different than a clergyman's death.
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Man. That sucks!
Chas - The one, the only.
THANK GOD!!!
Chas - The one, the only.
THANK GOD!!!
She was obviously very talented. This would be very sad even if I wasn't a fan of South Park.
Of course the show will go on without her. There is a long history in TV of replacing actors. I'm surprised that the author of the article even seemed to think it was an issue.
I wondered about what would happen if a cartoon voice died.... surprisingly few people do it. E. G. Daily is responsible for rugrats, roughnecks: starship troopers, futureama, and many many others.... why do animators use the same person for soooo many voices? Am I missing the logical reason?
...why last night's episode was dedicated to her. I had no idea who she was (I'm not a diehard fan by any means). Man, what a bummer...
Eric
That really sucks, her voice will be missed.
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Those of us who watched South Park last night may have noticed that Comedy Central inserted a brief, tasteful message saying simply "In memory of Mary Key Bergman" after the closing credits. I didn't realize when I saw it who she was, but I commend Comedy Central for the way they handled it - quietly, and without fanfare, as befits the solemnity of the occasion.
Last night's SP had a dedication to her at the end of the show. It didn't really register with me since, other than Isaac Hayes, I don't know the names of the people doing the voices. I never know what's serious with that show, even in the credits, so I wasn't even sure it was a real person. What a shame. I hope her family and friends, as well as the show, can recover.
Man, that really sucks. She had some really funny voices. We'll miss her. Cpt_Kirks
is basically, YOU don't like it, so you want to
see everyone elses fun taken away.
Please do not forget, you have the option to
NOT watch it.
Your words convey the idea that perhaps you suffer
from the paranoid fear that someone, somewhere
might be having fun.
"I opened my eyes, and everything went dark again"
It's strange how after all the comedy, she'd commit suicide. Just goes to prove that many people who have lots of problems (with anything) face them by laughing at them. Take Bernard Shaw's plays, for example.
hasnt this been on mrhatshellhole for like the past 3 days?
Damn, I was wondering who that was...thought maybe it was somebody's mom...
:-)
I commend Comedy Central for the way they handled it
I agree.
I am REALLY not looking forward to the right-wing "I-told-you-so"s. Hmmm...I will sing the 'Uncle F*ckers' song in her honor.
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http://www.hollywood.com/movietalk/celebrities/mbe rgman/html/sound.html
The last one (at the bottom) is a bit eerie in light of recent events.
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On the other hand, I'd like to know if anyone knows how and why she did it. My life is not always roses, but I'm not going to end it all because I know I have alot to live for. From the stories I've read, she's doing alot better than I am!
(And I'm going to stop here b/c from here on out I have nothing good to say about this incident.)
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This was in the Yahoo article, and it doesn't seem to be responding very quickly right now, but you can give it a look:
http://www.wackyvoices.com/
That you all used to sing that she was a bitch.
This makes you wonder...
WB continued after Mel Blanc,
How will SP react?
. at my signal -- unleash hell .
Here is her entry in the Internet Movie Database. She's done a huge number of movies, including STAR WARS Episode 1, THE IRON GIANT, and four Disney animated features, plus over half a dozen video games.
IMDB credits her with the following SOUTH PARK characters: Mrs. Cartman, Sheila, Female Body Part, Nurse, Mole's Mother, Little Girls, Wendy Testaburger, Stan's Mom, Kenny's Mom, Mayor McDaniels, Ms. Crabtree, Principal Victoria, Shelly Marsh, Nurse Gollem.
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I'm really not trying to get into a huge argument, but I have to speak up. I saw many posts saying "I hope no one tries to use this as evidence for [blank]". Having somewhat of a diverse background, and trying to keep a level head about this, I have to ask, why not? Don't take me wrong. This is a TERRIBLE thing and I'm NOT saying, "Good, she's dead". I watch South Park. I have since soxmas so long ago (spirit of Christmas). I however, have to say that to neglect this incident as useful data would be not only unscientific, but stupid! Would you say, "Boy, I hope they don't use that crash dummy test as evidence that seat belts save lives!"
I'm not saying there is any correlation. I'm not putting together any pieces. I'm speaking in general that when things happen, we shouldn't tie up emotions into a one-sided view. As intelligent people, we should always evaluate situations and change position when we are given enough reason to do so (proof). We should always take facts into account.
Well that's my take. This was in no way meant to take away from the pain I'm sure this is causing the family. And this is in no way an attempt to start an argument. If you want to flame me, please feel free to email me.
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And here is yet another example of fame making someone more important than any poor joe on the street. When a mother to 3 children dies in a car wreck, she doesn't even make it on page 84 of the local newspaper. If I went out and killed myself right now, not one reader of slashdot would mourn my passing, even though I have family and friends, just like this woman did. Face it.. money and fame really does equal importance in the world.
Another thing.. hoards of people will ring in with chimes of "she was such a wonderful " when they had never even heard her name before this event. If you don't know anything about her, please don't try to fake it and say she was so wonderful. Maybe she was a complete warbitch. Maybe she was an angel. I certainly don't know the woman, so I won't make any comments as to how she lived her life and treated others.
For the record, I am not trivializing her death. It is, indeed, a bad thing when someone dies. (most of the time, not counting terrorists and such) I just want to point out that many people are more pissed off that the voice of the southpark characters is gone rather than that a woman has died and left behind mourning family members and friends.
I'm fairly sure I'll be moderated down as a troll or as being flamebait, but that is not my intention.
You should watch more television :). ALthough I admit I want Mr.Big back.
CY
> I just hope we don't see religious or other > communities saying this is an answer to their > prayers. And once again slashdot demonstrates its incredible tolerance of religious communities - look, right, it's like any situation with a vocal minority. Just because there's a few nutters out there it doesn't mean that they're representative of the group as a whole. I make no attempt to hide the fact I'm a Christian. I think South Park is utterly hilarious, although on occasion yes, I do find it a *little* close to the mark. However, you are completely right - no loss of life is cause for celebration, and I am saddened to hear this news. I am also saddened, however, that people will pre-emptively attack certain groups of people before anyone has even said anything...
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Not on the incident itself, but on Parker/Stone's actions:
Yahoo's report (actually, from E-Online's news) says "Matt Stone and Trey Parker, the duo behind the cult animated hit, declined to release a statement--a Comedy Central spokesperson says they're mourning in private.".
MTV had a report yesterday morning that stated, "The show's creators, Trey Parker and Matt Stone, addressed the news in a statement that read, "Mary Kay was with us from the very beginning and helped make 'South Park' a success by sharing with us her amazing talent. We will miss her as an artist, a co-worker, and above all else a friend.""
So which is right? Did they make an official statement or not?
"But remember, most lynch mobs aren't this nice." (H.Simpson)
-- Joe
Death, espically suicide, isn't funny. Even it's funny, it's nothing to joke about.
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I am very sorry to hear this and my condolences go out to anyone who feels bad about this. First Phil Hartman, and now this? What's the world coming to? I wonder why she went through with this... I mean, she was on South Park, a very successful show! This reminds me of a poem from the Spoon River Anthology about all these people seeing a rich man and wishing to be him. Then, the man shoots himslef in the head. You must wonder why admirable people do such things, but I suppose we can't ask them or anything. *sigh*
If you think you know what the hell is really going on you're probably full of shit.
If you think you know what the hell is really going on you're probably full of shit.
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Should have been -
Even if your comment is funny
Too early in the morning.
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Moreover, it's just as possible that many clergyman are damned (if your beliefs extend to that possibility).
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"You can't shake the Devil's hand and say you're only kidding."
On a side note, according to IMDB she played the following characters in SWI:TPM :
Old naboo Woman/Torno the Hammerhead Boy/Torno's Mother/Lost Human Boy/Female Human Merchant
No Jar-Jar...besides, like South Park, George Lucas would manage to find a substitute.
"Nobody owns the fucking words man." - James Dean
The part that's wrong is the fact that nobody cares if an average Joe kills himself. She was famous, so people grieve for her as they should for anybody, in a perfect world.
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So the voice for all of the females on South Park killed herself? Does that mean no more females, or the show will be canceled, or they will get a replacement?
Hopefully South Park will go away now.
It's the kind of program that has a mildly humorous concept, but can be beaten to death by running too long.
I went to see the movie this summer. It was okay, but nothing special.
That's the thing about South Park. The producers need it to be a big moral crisis that it exists. Otherwise it's just another dumb show. And since it's not being made into a big moral crisis (the people it attacks are too smart to pay a lot of attention to it publicly) it's just another dumb show.
Why is a clergyman's death more signficant than the average person's?
I personally wouldn't care less if some people are horrifed that i died without being brainwashed by them.
*elevator music plays*
Here's one of them:
http://www.hollywood.com/movietalk/celebrities/mbe rgman/sound/southpark/5.ram
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Patrick Doyle
Patrick Doyle
I mod down every jackass who puts his moderation policy in his sig. Oh, wait a sec....
The IMDB (Internet Movie DataBase) shows that she did voices such as Daphne on the new Scooby Doo, Bimbette on Beauty And The Beast, and some voices for Star Wars EP1-TPM.
She even did vocals on Weird Al's "Pretty Fly For A Rabbi" ("How ya doin', Bernie?")
A great talent has been lost and this is very sad.
Wherever you are Mary Kay, I hope you are at peace.
Russ
War is Peace. Freedom is Slavery. Ignorance is Strength. - George Orwell or George Bush?
This is related, trust me. I had a girlfriend who had bulemia. She would eat as much as she wanted and then excuse herself to the restroom to get rid of it.
I had no clue; luckily I had a friend who kept secrets like the Watergate hotel staff. After doing some reading, I read that bulemia is one way of coping with problems. Like cigarettes, alcohol, punching bags, etc. It doesn't promote good mental health, but
(and here's the tie-in)
you can NOT try and take it away. Do NOT try to 'intervene'. Doing so will only make them worry about you and the social taboos against the only way they can handle life.
If people are suicidal, I don't think it's good to try and 'fix' their problems. Work on solving the problems directly and see if they don't figure out some other way to deal with their pain.
PS: After not seeing my ex-g/f for a year I finally went out w/ her again. And she still beelined for the restroom post-meal. It's not cool to stand outside and know what's going on, and knowing that the best thing to do is nothing. I said nothing, and can only hope that she finds a different (hopefully less physically-harmful way) to deal with pain in the future.
Generally, people become famous because of an outstanding trait or skill that they do have.
Famous peoples' lives affect more people than your mom or you do... there is absolutely nothing wrong with mourning the loss of a "voice" in South Park. After all, we did not know her personally.
Blame Canada!
Who cares ? Take your religion and shove it....
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To answer your question: I posted because of other comments that I read, which said in effect that they hoped that people (specifically, religous people) would not see her death as a good thing, or answers to prayers, etc. So I thought that I would throw out my perspective on this, as a religous person who does not like South Park. I don't see this at all as an answer to prayers, specifically for the reasons stated in my previous posts. And I did make the concession that I did not know her salvation status, but I was trying to make a broader point.
You are right, it is very possible that many clergymen are not believers. I should have simply said "fellow Christian" versus "clergyman or fellow Christian".
Why on earth would a merciful God, who (remember) is in control of *everything* want /anyone/ to suffer in the pits of hell forever? Believer or not?
If I truly believed that the majority of mankind, including most of my friends, were going to hell, I'd never stay sane.
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What is SWI:TPM ?
Is that the fourth episode of Star Wars (or is it Trek?) that was released this summer?
Haven't seen it yet. I did like Star Wars, part I, which I saw in 1977. Didn't want to spoil it by seeing any of the knock-off sequels.
Whoever said that God was ONLY merciful. He is, but he's vengeful, and wrathful and loving all at the same time. He(forgive the masculine pronoun) is much more dynamic than a single adjective...
As a result I heard the news several days ago (Sunday? Monday?) that she had killed herself because she had been diagnosed with a terminal illness. A particular disease had been named, but the person who relayed this to me couldn't remember the name. He was also not sure that the whole thing wasn't a rumor, until a few hours later, the official web site got changed to a simple "In Memorandum..." message.
Now that I'm looking around, I can't find what she was diagnosed with (if it was true), which makes sense, as it would be a very private thing. You don't generally publish the reason for suicide, unless it's a really big name celebrity.
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I still find the show hilarious up to this point. IMO their high water mark was the "Big Gay Al" episode, but so far my favorite one of the new ones is "Chinpoko Mon".
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Suicide is ick and sad and tragic. I can just see the media going off on some jackass tangent saying the show made her do it, or they'll attempt to draw whatever little correlaries between her final action and those of the show. This from a guest on wackyvoices.com: "Name: Linda Sent: 2:44 PM - 11/18 Maybe the death of Kenny "so many times" got to her. It is a stupid show and was bound to cause some tragic event in some form or another. Sad for the death because suicide is a straight road to hell, no if's and's or but's, but could care less about the show"
Phil Hartman did *not* commit suicide.
While I agree with your sentiment 100%, I must admit that I'm a bit curious: Why do you "presume" that this actress was a non-Christian?
The reason people are mourning her and not some unknown mother of three in a car wreck is that they don't even know the mother of three exists.
There are six billion (6,000,000,000 to make sure that we Yanks and the Brits are thinking of the same "billion") people out there in the world. People are dying all the time. In the time it will take me to fisnish this sentence at least one person (at my typing speed it will be far greater than that) will have died somewhere in the world for some reason.
Do I mourn the person(s) who died while I was foolishly puttering away my limited time on this world typing this? Probably not.
Why? I DON'T KNOW THEM! I have never met them, I don't know their names, I've never seen their faces, they have never directly impacted my life in such a way that I can associate the effect with the person as an individual.
The death of a famous person is a lot different. I don't really know them, but I know of them. I've seen their faces, or heard their voices, or music, read their words, seen their films, etc... They have efeected my life in a way _I_ can accociate the effect with the pserson.
THAT is why famous people are mourned by the masses of the population. It is BECAUSE we know of them, we know they exist.
In the end >99% of us will only be mourned by the family and friends we leave behind. Is that really so bad?
Boobies never hurt anyone. - Sherry Glaser.
sorry just had to get that off of my chest.
this is another example of how much people worship their entertainment. When we decide that we need to devote ourselves to a celebrity we never stop to think about the consequences of puttin gour heart and soul into something. we dont stop to think about what the celebrities feelings are, and how much stress we are putting them under. We all know that this wasnt the first such case, and until we learn restraint, it wont be the last.
Opportunities multiply as they are seized. --Sun-Tzu
Dude, technically the 1977 one is IV...says so in the scrolling beginning, even though most consider it to be the true "Episode I"...and yes, I was refering the Phantom Menace.
"Nobody owns the fucking words man." - James Dean
Shouldn't be you chasing after some tarot card reader?
Hmm... interesting tagline: "Organized Religion: The only thing preventing people from being civilized."
As I can see from most of the other responses to my post, everybody else is so civilized...
People are entitled to their own opinions but....
I love South Park. Its seriously the only tv show I look forward to and watch consistently. I find it hilarious, its a great way to get me to laugh in the middle of a usually tough and gruelly week. I saw the movie twice this summer, and I have a bootleg copy on my computer. Everytime I watch it, I notice more and more things I missed the previous time, and I laugh my ass off.
If you don't know first hand, it's difficult to explain, but...
Sometimes the pain inside, in your gut, gets so bad you're willing to do anything to stop it. The reason for trying suicide isn't always the desire to end life, it's just one method of stopping the pain. Wanting to die isn't the objective, it's just a side effect of that particular method of making the suffering stop. But if you don't have the guts to... commit to death, then you have to do something about the pain some other way. Anything, you just have to make it go away. The reason you need to do something painful is to block out the other pain, to overwhelm it. This can be done physically, but it doesn't always have to be so. Self-inflicted psychological pain is another method, although that sort of thing is very personal. As for the physical... remedies, they can often be habit forming. You do it so often to stop the pain, that eventually you get... addicted to the counter-pain in a sort of way. It becomes a ritual, you don't even think about it. It can be anything - starvation, induced puking, forced sleep, the list goes on. But the thing is, you don't care. It keeps you alive. It becomes a survival mechanism, and gets built into your system. I have a particularly sick method of stopping the pain - self-mutilation. It's not pretty, but it works. I inherited the habit from my mother. But as I've studied depression a bit, as well as my own depression cycle, I've come to have better control over it all. It's like a hunger pang: if you just wait a while, you do eventually get over it. Same thing goes with depression, but it doesn't go away as quickly. Oddly enough, the act of knowing you're in a depression cycle, and knowing that it does eventually end helps a bit. Mine are long and dark, though, but they come far less often these days. I'm not sure why I'm telling this. Maybe to help those who don't really understand have a little better of an idea. But if you've never felt the pain, the... blackness, then you'll never fully understand...
Vengefullness and wrathfulness are qualities of this so called Satan fellow aren't they. It amazes me how easily christians can make absolutely no sense but it is ok because the believe . Whatever... you fruitcake
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>no loss of life is cause for celebration...
I would beg to differ. In many of the funerals that I have attended in the past few years, it is often brought up that the mourners need to celebrate the life of the deceased.
There is a difference between celebrating the life of someone and celebrating their death.
Dude what does being Jewish have to do with anything except making stupid pricks like youself prove your ignorance?
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If only people with extreme amounts of fame receive attention, eventually everyone will be worshipping the exact same set of people, and there will be less and less variety and flavor in life.
... ahem, sorry.
Myself, the only person I worship is my Dominatrix. And then only when I'm horny, or when she demands it, or I see her in those sexy, skintight black leather pants that so deliciously accentuate her
:-)
In all seriousness though, suicide is a terrible tragedy, as is all death for that matter (terrorists and serial killers aside). There is simply no way around it: mortality sucks. My thoughts go out to her family and friends, who will be very hard hit by this.
However, we should remember that suicide is her right. Perhaps not legally, under our less than just legal system, but ethicly and morally it is her decision to make. While this is hardly comforting or joyous (and I personally really wish she hadn't made that particular choice), it is nevertheless IMHO an important point that often gets ignored and forgotten. Whether she was diagnosed with a painful or perhaps undignified disease, or just unhappy with her life in general, the decision to end her life, while tragic, was her's and her's alone. A choice we may all regret, but one we should respect nevertheless. Of course, those local representatives of the religious right will almost certainly pull out their flamethrowers and moderate me down to -1 for expressing this opinion, but that's alright -- I wore my asbestos underware this morning anyway.
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A copule of comments on this thread have been along the lines of "Man, she was successful, had a way better life than me, why would she do this?" I just wanted to comment on that. It's natural to think that way--I used to, I'm not trying to rag on anyone here--but clinical depression (not the blues, or being down, but an honest-to-God mental illness) can strike anyone, regardless of what reason they have to be happy. I speak from personal experience that I'm not going to delve into, but let me say outward success will not help someone get over this disease. They need treatment, both pharmacological and psychological in most cases, to get through it. And it's not easy to tell if someone's depressed. The person I know is a wonderful actor, and if you aren't very close to them you don't know what's going on. It would be entirely possible for her close coworkers--hell, even for her husband and family--to have been completely unaware of what was going on until it was too late. There doesn't have to be an obvious trigger, a depressive episode can start for any number of unclear reasons.
Now, I don't presume to do pop psychology at a distance, since we don't know any details (and shouldn't. It's not our lives.) This has probably been to presumptive already, I just wanted to share my experiences. Without meaning to turn this into a PSA, I wanted to point out that there are plenty of resources on depression out there on the web if you're curious about what I was saying or depression in general. It's worth a look; it's very likely to touch your life somehow before it's all over.
Stevis
We've got two lives, one we're given, and the other one we make. --Mary Chapin Carpenter
What the hell is wrong with the moderators on this site? This post raises valid questions, and I don't see the core of malicious intent which would validate a label of 'Flamebait'!
Her suicide is sad news, and we know nothing of the details and circumstances surrounding it. Just because this poster admits he doesn't like South Park and questions how her role in it influenced her life doesn't mean he's trying to start a flame war.
Oh my God She killed herself You BASTARD!
This is a great example of the stupid sentiment that rears up whenever a celebrity (however minor) dies.
Can you explain exactly how this voice actor touched anyone's life? Is there anyone in the world that wakes up in the morning and says, "Today is going to be a great day, thanks to the woman that does the voice of Kyle's Mom"?
She was no more special than you or I. Her passing will not change the world. If I die, someone else will take over my job, and the same will happen with her. There are voice actors aplenty in the world - Hell, they even found someone to take over for Mel Blanc...
"Her death affects many more people than yours or mine would."
Obviously, you're unaware of the small nuclear weapon I have wired to go off when my EEG flatlines...
They can even post in this article with the option for anonymous posting checked. As long as he/she is logged in at the time, the moderation will be reversed.
First of all, let me assure you that I would not begrudge you (or anybody else) the right to believe in whatever you like. I'm not going to vociferously attack your viewpoint (it looks like others have already taken care of that); I'm just going to offer some commentary on it. As the subject line explains, the absurdity of all of this is what ended up driving me away from Christianity.
.. no, really, he does! Of course, this means that people like Amazon rain forest tribes will be cast into Hell automatically, because they are guilty of never having been told about your God. But hey, that's what the missionaries are for, right? (Side note: Did anybody catch last night's South Park?)
.. something, no matter how small, to brighten the day of somebody else. Most days, I like to think that my mission was successful. I admire very much the historical Jesus that taught people to love their neighbors and turn the other cheek, and the Golden Rule is the primary force guiding my actions. Now when I die, if I meet God and He decides that none of this matters and that I should be on the receiving end of horrible, perpetual torture because I didn't participate in some sort of silly sideshow, then so be it. Such a vindictive entity is not worthy of worship.
The notion that God is all-knowing, all-powerful, and all-loving, but is only too happy to sentence perfectly nice and decent people to an eternity of torture simply because they were not a part of His cheerleading squad is utterly preposterous. Sure, He'll cast you into the "Lake of Fire" for all time, but He loves you
That's just insane. It's insane.
Too many Christians I meet are motivated by one thing: fear. It's the old, tired-but-true Pascal's Wager that is used so often against atheists: "If you atheists are right and there is no God, then when I die, nothing will happen. But if we Christians are right and our God does exist, then when you die, you're going to fry for eternity. Therefore, worship God, because He's a safe bet!" What a lousy reason to believe. What a perfectly dreadful way to go through life. I refuse to be motivated by fear, and I refuse to subscribe to a theology that is so fundamentally flawed.
So I'm not a Christian. I do volunteer my time with local community organizations, I do donate a percentage of my paycheck to charity, I contribute to the Red Cross in times of disaster (i.e., Turkey) and my primary goal when I wake up in the morning is to do something
However, as you might have guessed, I don't believe this to be the case. Christianity does not have the market cornered on happiness, ethical conduct, and charity. While I don't believe for a minute that the Christian God exists (at least, not in the manner in which He is portrayed), I do believe that there is a supernatural side of existence that science cannot and will not ever be able to explain. I think that good and decent behavior is good for the "soul" (whatever one perceives that soul to be.)
And so I'll forge on, consquences be damned.
Maybe Kyle's mom is in hell. Maybe she's not. But I find speculating about it to be simply tasteless.
Come on you didn't think the part with Bill Gates being pulled into the army briefing and then got shot in the head wasn't funny? Or the deal with Satan and Sadam gettin it on wasn't funny? Damn I am about to fall out of my seat laughing just thinking about it. Come on man lighten up the world isn't just computers and code. Try developing a sense of humor you life might be a lot more fun.
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so more people get to see it. This is important stuff.
look at this off of her webpage guestbook
at www.wackyvoices.com
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Name: Disgusted
Sent: 4:27 PM - 11/18
How selfish can yet another person. Suicide is the most selfless act anyone can commit. The only pain I feel is for her Mommy & Daddy. Selfish bitch
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Ok, what if her children are reading this??
Yea, that's going to make them feel good.
Everytime I think people have sunk to a new
low I find that I need to correct myself.
The Halloween Special with Korn barely beats out Cartman Gets an Anal Probe in my book
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I liked South Park. She was the voice of many South Park characters. She's made me laugh. She's made many, many people laugh.
Why so much anger? Do you simply hate celebrity status of people?
Absolutely.When I die, I will be replaced at work. But there will be ~100 people at work who will mourn my passing, because they either know me, or in most cases they simply know of my work and realize that losing me will be a setback for the company.
Now, Mary Kay is known by thousands and thousands of people all over the world. That's the only reason it's news. There's nothing wrong with that!
Then you will have profoundly touched my life at the time of your death. In the meantime, I will simply remember you as Yet Another Slashdot Poster.
I'm a leaf on the wind. Watch how I soar.
Life, many paths, infinite endings
Life, many turns, eternity of obstacles
Life, many people, some friendships some enemies
Death, many endings, infinite paths
Death, many obstacles leading, eternity of turns
Death, many friends many enemies, Some people, over your grave
Why suicide?
What does a ending of life do?
Why suicide?
How can you destroy yourself?
Why death?
What is the urge to go beyond?
Why death?
How do you come to a point of so much hatred for yourself, why do you need to tear down what you have?
What do you find in the end?
How do you rush to the end?
You may trip and fall to the end.
But why cant you just stand right up?
Why Death?
Why Sadness?
Why Anger?
Why Hate?
What does this do but make you fall?
What does this do but make you fall?
Trying to find a way out.
Trying to escape.
Trying to bring the anger to end.
The need to sleep.
The need to burn.
What does this do but make you fall?
What does this do but make you fall?
Begining of all.
Eternity of all.
Infinite of all.
WHY IS THERE A END OF ALL?!
What does this do but make you fall?
What does this do but make you fall?
What does this do but make you fall?
What does this do but make you fall?
That post was (as far as I can tell) in response to the post ("another comedian lost" or somesuch) that suggested indirectly that some Christian group would "see this as the answer to their prayers". That post is not an evangelical statement, rather a reply to say that Christians wouldn't do that. Which is what I figure that you would all want to hear. Christians can be real assholes some times, but next time you feel motivated to tell some Biblethumper off think of how many unnecessary and mean flames were posted to this logical counter-statement simply because it originated from a pro-Christianity source. Figureing someone sucks because they ARE Christian is just as bad as figureing someone sucks because they AREN'T. - Adam T
I mean, why kill yourself if you're gonna die soon anyhow? All you have to do is wait a bit.
That made no sense... and had no context to what I was saying whatsoever. See that was what I was getting at. Whatever your satan or your god believed had nothing to do with the point I was getting at. But you did a good job in proving my second point. What I was saying is this A:) vengefulness == characteristic of your satan, b:)wrath == chracteristic your satan.
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Duckman still comes on every night on Teletoon here in Canada. For a while David Misch, one of the producers, was hanging around on alt.tv.duckman talking about making the show. It was very cool.
He would not, absolutely would not, tell about what was supposed to happen at the beginning of season 5. The last show of season 4 was quite a cliffhanger (apparently designed to get people to pressure USA to keep the show). The newsgroup went alight when that episode first aired in Canada. He wouldn't tell though, and he has a good reason for it.
He maintains (as well as many other sources) that they are actively trying to get Duckman back on the air with new episodes. Comedy Central just picked up the first four seasons for air in the US in 2000, there is hope that this may trigger a resurgence. I'm hoping, at least.
On a sadder note, in 1997, the voice of Charles, Dana Hill died. The voice was taken over by Pat Musick. That was too bad...
> > denominator" humor make anybody's life?
>
> This post raises valid questions, and I don't see the core of malicious intent which would
> validate a label of 'Flamebait'!
Probably the reference to "lowest-common-denominator" humor. IMHO unjustified, but I can see where the moderator might have been coming from.
The key part of Marvin's post, IMHO, was in asking the question "How did South Park make her [Mary Kay's] life better?"
Evidently, it didn't. Mary Kay chose to die, arguably of her own free will. I respect that choice, and hope that she found what she was looking for, either in some form of an afterlife or in nonexistence. I wasn't Mary Kay; I cannot judge her, nor can I even say that I wouldn't do the same were I plagued by whatever drove her over the edge.
What I can say, however, is this: whether it made her life any better or not, South Park's "lowest-common-denominator" humor certainly made my life a little bit more fun. And for that, I am saddened.
I didn't really want to get into either but I just can't help myself. It is that old debater in me that gets me everytime.
but anywho.... To me it is the fact that beleieving makes no sense that gets me. To many contradictions, inconsistancies, and stuff that is blatantly wrong for me to believe.
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Doctor says 'Treatment is simple. Great clown Pagliacci is in town tonight. Go and see him, that should pick you up.'
Man burst into tears. Says 'But doctor, ... I am Pagliacci.'
From The Watchmen, Alan Moore
doesn't make sense.
So basically what you're saying is "damn, she went straight to hell. That makes me feel sorry for her. Golly, glad I'm not going to hell." That's a real healthy attitude there.
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Well, the _characters_ she did the voices for are known. I doubt many people even knew her name, let alone anything about her life. All I know about her is that she showed up for work, read some lines that someone else wrote and went home. Hardly a major accomplishment.
Do you simply hate celebrity status of people?
Yep. Celebrity is 10% achievement, 90% hype.
In the meantime, I will simply remember you as Yet Another Slashdot Poster.
The feeling is mutual.
Ding, Dong!
a human is dead,
a human is dead,
a human is dead.
Ding Dong!
a human is dead,
a human is dead.
Take care of those
you don't want to lose.
Alle rejoice!
As a FORMER "born again" Christian, I find your comments typical of those stuck in the Christian cult.
I find it tragic that Christian's die without realizing that their beliefs are not different than any other mythology.
I wish that Christians could watch Xena on tv and realize that it would be no less foolish to believe in that.
I got out of the Christian cult. It's not easy to ask yourself the question: "Is this stuff really belieivable?". It means starting your beliefs from scratch, rather than from what your parents and chuch have washed your mind with. The end result is a free mind.
What did the simpsons do when voice of Troy McCleur and others died?
(I dont know, because in here in the UK we havent caught up yet)
Well all of you little egotistical SOB's making jokes about some lady's suicide. Hehe, I'm just thinking about how many computer nerds I've had come crawling to me contemplating suicide, and complaining why their lives are so bleak. Such a wonderful field this is right now, where your worth as a human being is based on how much techo- bullshit you know.
I've never met a computer geek who doesn't have mental problems of their own, and yet they still seem to be able to hide behind a computer and make cruel jokes about someone else's misery. I don't think computer dorks are against religion, they just seem to be against sentimentality in general.
Anyway I welcome all of you to wallow in your own shit at slashdot. And when that day comes when you don't understand why nobody likes you and you can't find pleasure in anything. And that day will come when you think about the easy way out (trust me, spending that much time in front of a computer screen will do it), and you'll realize what an idiot you are for laughing at suicide. I just wouldn't want to be in your shoes when you realize it.
Slashdotters go to hell!
But dude, you didnt make a difference in my life. she did. She made me laugh. I dont know you and therefore don't care. Sorry, but that'sthe way the world works. If it's any consolation, I hate being meaningless in the grand scheme of things too.
Wow, those are eary to hear. They are very natural. Thank you very much for the links!
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Did someone forget to close an ? There's some weird formatting on the front page...
Looks fine for me. I'll bet it's a problem with your browser. You might want to get the latest version of Netscape or even perhaps IE and see if that doesn't make the problem go away. I'll bet that it does.
...this way, all the cool people will be in Hell. The choice is a no-brainer.
Renounce Salvation Now!!
-kent
**>>BELCH
...that is reportedly wired to **EXPLODE** if the recipient chooses not to accept. Cool! Where's Ted? Someone tell Ted! Hey! Ted!
**>>BELCH
You're just gonna Hate it
Don't try suicide
Nobody Cares
I'd like to begin by stating the fact that I realize this will probably be moderated down to flamebait, so, if you'd like, go ahead and skip reading this....
To only consider your own view is selfish. Many others will be severly impacted by your decision. At least recognize that.
I realize this. And I also realize that you're only asking the person considering suicide to recognize that their decision will impact others. To me, that's the most obvious effect of a suicide. But, what is recognizing that supposed to do? From one angle, recognizing that your suicide will have an impact can't change a darn thing, because if you want to commit suicide, then you're going to, it's going to have an effect, etc. etc. I mean, what is recognizing that supposed to do in the context of the problem? Make the person think, "Oh, this might make some people sad. Perhaps I should forgo suicide just so they'll be happy."? I hope not. Or, is it supposed to motivate them to let people know, concretely, that they're planning on committing suicide so that (a)the people can prepare themselves for the sorrow or (b)so that the person can be psychologically evaluated, etc, to try to make them not commit suicide?
As you said, "To only consider your own view is selfish." so.. if that's true, then, would it be better to follow the grand scheme of life (be selfless, or at least NOT selfish) and not commit suicide just because it impacts other people? Your life belongs to you, and therefore, you have the right to do with it as you please. Of course, I'm not advocating suicide, and I also realize that those who are Christians (I am a Christian) will likely take the viewpoint that, as a Christian, one's life belongs to God, and therefore, we are not "in control" of our lives in that sense (we can't just cut it off, since it's not ours to cut off). Well, that may be so, but, in the grand scheme of things, if I felt the urge to commit suicide, I wouldn't stop and say, "what will happen to others as a result of this?" If I did, I don't see what effect that would have, or should have, because, all that is is just a consideration; an acknowledgement that what I am about to do will affect someone. What more should i do? Go let that person know so they can get ready? Have a family planning session so that we can all cope with it, and get ready, and have a party because I'm commiting suicide?
I guess I'm just thinking about it from the wrong angle. and yes, this isn't a good post, so I'm sorry. I felt the urge to bring this up, so I did. Thanks for your time.
Insert mind here.
How can you label a post as flamebait and then score a response to it as insightful? Hello?
It's just going to show who the moderators like. This post is no more or less flamebait than the one it was posted in response to.
I don't think computer dorks are against religion, they just seem to be against sentimentality in general.
Nope. We really are against religion!
Man that sucks. We have lost too many comedians latley first Chris Farley, then Phil Hartman, NOW THIS! Sad sad days ahead if this keeps up! And what of Cartman... WHO IS GOING TO BUY HIM HIS CHOCHOLATE CHICKEN POT PIES!!!!!!
Mabye we should just kill you instead To bad I would go to hell for doing it jason.salopek@usa.net
She was in Gabriel Knight Sins of the Fathers and King's Quest 8.
The geek connection is clear.
Ok, for those of you who didnt read what I didnt write because you missed the between the lines comments. The real sadness is that many people are going to recognise her as the voice of southpark, a dirty perverted distasteful cartoon. In wich case she will never realy get the proper repect she deserves. I guess I should have used a 40 bit DEC encryption instead of poetic artistry to display my thoughts. Next time Ill remember they can only think 1's and 0's, no abstracts!
Time: a measurement of how much time it takes time to pass.
is pretty simple. A religion has more members, gets tax breaks, and it's publicly acceptable to belong to one. Christianity began as a pagan-assimilating cult, fictionalizing events and altering its own Ethos in order to bring over the Great Unwashed ("Easter" is a GREAT example, having become a perverted version of a pagan fertility ritual for the goddess Eoster). It was widely regarded as a minor annoyance until the Roman Emperor Constantine was converted and made it the state religion of Rome, thus ushering in the Dark Ages, etceteras.
Me? I have faith, but I've long since left the Black Lodge behind.
A lot of people take their faith seriously and then when they suddenly one day think it has betrayed them or their grief overwhelms their faith, suicide becomes an option that lands on the table. Like with my aunt, she has been a Baptist all her life but she tried to commit suicide once.
As for your gospel quote, it read more like a she got what she deserved statement, which is very insensitive.
But now I have a question for all you guys who saw this as insensitive. What would happen if Bill Gates died because, say, his doctor was using NT and it crashed the machines during surgery (or some ironic b.s. like that)? What if a leader of the RIAA died? What then? Would you be waving your moralitaaaaaah around? Would you try to hold back the crowd rushing out to take a massive leak on their graves?
--- Grow a pair, liberals... stop letting the Republicans bully you!
Sounds like the words of a Suit that is pissed at the fact he can't make as much money as techies cause he hasn't got the skills (tech skills that is). Nor does he have any tact, common sense, or an ounce of intelligence in his statements. You must be a very bitter man (I assume you're a man, could be a Eunuch though). News flash for ya genius every one has mental problems. And from the sound things your worse off than most people are (sounds like you have a lot of issues to work out there son). Just because you can't hack it in the technology world is no reason to go off crying about it like a 3 year old little girl. And don't worry about being in our shoes you wouldn't have the IQ to even lace the damn things up much less the balls to try. You Velcro wearin short bus riddin Mongoloid
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I do not know if there be any truth to this rumor.
That said, a possible reason one might suicide upon knowing of terminal illness to do so while one still can. Some illnesses are slow, painful, and leave one unable to act later.
I'm not saying whether it is wrong or wrong. Just that it may be.
As for the reason, I refuse to speculate. Or at least refuse to publicly speculate. This is a matter for the surviving relatives and if they wish not to have it public, so be it. Respect for dead (and the living) is best, I think.
First, it was Bugs.
Then Kermit.
Now, Wendy.
The world is a little bit smaller today.
Why choose white shoes?
Well I was a little upset when I posted my original saying. And honestly someone named "DaPhreaker" isn't gonna hurt me with insulting my intelligence. Geez, you can hardly type coherently. Talk about being a mongoloid. Oh yeah, and I'm on my way to a CS degree so I got the skills dude. Suit? Nah, I've never worn a suit. And why does he get a 1 eh? He must have a moderator butt-buddy.
Well, to keep this post a non-flame, I must addend what I meant to say. All the lashing out I'd like to apologize for. What I meant by my post is that I see a ton of computer nerds who are very quick to lash out at someelse's misfortune yet the next day will come crawling back for help.
Case in point, at a gaming forum a few weeks ago, a really nasty flamer, much like DaPhreaker here, made a post saying he was gonna commit suicide. Well I ICQed him and talking him out of it. Since then he's turned his life around, or so I heard. But before the incident he was one of the most nasty posters in the forum. It's just scary when people find out they're only human.
See http://www.voicechasers.org/Actors/MK_Bergman.html
for a pic of her.
I'll take this as a reminder to care for those
I love.
Tony Hancock, Max Linder, Mark Sheridan, T. E. Dunville, the French clown Marceline, Freddie Prinze... that's not counting attempted suicides and drug and alcohol abuse (many others). It's like black-lung for coal miners: black-spirit for comedians. It's daunting. One cannot protect some types of artists- they remain vulnerable and you can only wish them well and do what you can to not overload them, knowing that much of the world will not be so forgiving, and even if it was, it still might not help... ;P *heh*
In conclusion, I'd just like to say, "Suicide is baaaad, mmkay?"
South Park is a sewer of nihilistic cynicism. The fact that one of the perpetrators chose to end their obviously miserable lives does not surprise me one bit. In fact, today, the world is a litle better place due to her absence.
The Germans dub all their movies in a futile attempt to preserve their culture. I say it is futile because in 50 years the Germans will be a minority in their own country and their culture will be as degenerate as Americas'.
I've been there too. Chronic clinical depression. Hopelessness. Being actively suicidal. I spent two decades trapped in that hell. And most of a third climbing back out into sanity...
I really wish I could describe it to you. So that others, who have not experienced depression, could understand it. And, perhaps, help people like myself.
I never wanted to die. It's just that living was such terribly painful agony. Not physical pain. There was some, but it paled in comparison to the emotional agony I endured. Imagine feeling anger, shame, guilt, hatred, rage, and sadness. Such extreme sadness. All pegged off the scale. Without relief. Night and day. Day in, day out. Eternally.
Do you know how a child's mind works? After being told about heaven and hell, I used to wonder if, perhaps, I had already died. And already gone to hell. Because I could not imagine anything worse.
For reasons that I still do not understand, I have an amazingly strong underlying drive to survive at all costs. That drive kept me alive. Sometimes for an extra day. Sometimes for just an extra minute.
I've held knives to my arteries. Arsenic in my hand. Put a gun to my head. So many, so very many, times. Always, I was able to hold out for just a little while longer.
Gradually, my mind degraded. At my worst point, I needed 18 hours of sleep a day. My memory, my ability to learn, was severely impaired.
I knew I was depressed. But I couldn't bring myself to seek out a doctor. I couldn't take that first step. Someone else had to take it for me. They pushed me into therapy. Psychopharmaceuticals corrected a chemical imbalance in my brain. They stabilized my sleep cycle. With this crutch, and therapy, I was able to alter my patterns of thinking, my behavior, and eventually my perceptions of the world. In time, I recovered.
Depression is a very well understood and practically completely curable disease. The tragedy of depression-induced suicide is that these people are frequently unable to help themselves. And without someone, somewhere helping them, they die.
I thought I would share something I saw on TV some time back. Some gay rights activist person was talking about his youth. He is Christian and at the time had a lot of inner termoil about his religion and his sexual identity. There was a point where he considered suicide. His belief at the time was that if he died God would forgive him, love him, and say something to the affect of:
"I'm sorry it wasn't suposed to be like this." He beleived that God wanted the very best for all of us regardless of our beliefs upbringing etc. and that he had some plan in mind for us that got twisted along the way.
Teen suicide (Don't do it!)
Please don't judge us all by what the monsters say. I feel bad for you, and for her, and I think there have been a whole lot of stupid, insensitive and evil comments made about this. Unfortunately, that's the way some people are in this modern world, too many in my opinion. This is just a particularly egregious example of people looking at people as data and not as people. Anyway, I hope that you'll be able to deal with this, and God... I wish there weren't people like this around...
All the creatures will die, And all the things will be broken. That's the law of samurai. (Jubai, 1605)
On her official web site, there's a posting that suggested the *reason* for her suicide was that she had a painful TUMOR. That certainly puts the suicide in a different light. Killing yourself because you can't cope with the world, and killing yourself because you have a terminal illness you're about to die from anyway, are two VERY different things. Many of the "so what" responses I've seen were people that just lumped her into the first category without even thinking about it. This is extremely unfair IMO. It's also not fair to criticize her just for her South Park work (for whatever reasons you might not like South Park for... and obviously there's many), which is a TINY fraction of the stuff she's done. Go look at her IMDB entry. You name a "more wholesome" cartoon, or for that matter live action movie, and she probably had something to do with it. This isn't just about South Park.
The Germans already had two chances this century to make Europe speak German, and they blew it both times. No pity here.
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Why do people care who Sarah Michelle Gellar is dating? Do they actually think they'd stand a chance with her otherwise?
This is totally true:
I have a friend who has a friend who went to Michigan State. Well, he went there with his girlfriend I guess, and they had been dating for a number of years in high school also. Well, I guess this girl is a total bitch! Yah know, the kind to keep the ol' ball and chain around his neck at all times. Well, this guy gets a great intern opportunity to work in L.A. (he wants to be an actor), so of course he takes it, depite his obviously upset girlfriend.
So his job is not too exciting.. basically driving a cart around sets of various Television shows. BUT, he actually gets to cart around a lot of the actors and actresses. One time, eh was carting around Sara Michelle Gellar... and she was like, "you're really cute". Well, obviously he is pretty flattered and all... and then she actually ASKS HIM OUT. So he really wants to, but he fels bad because he still likes his girlfriend back home... yah know, the total bitch. so he tells her no. and he tells his girlfriend about it too, who of course gets pissed and real jealous.
Well, then Sara persists.. you know those Hollywood types, always getting their way. So he actually goes out with her! And they have a great time, so he starts seeing her more often. Well, his girlfriend is starting to get a clue, because he si never around at night when she calls anymore... so she is being double bitchy. Then, one night she calls.. and I guess Sara Michelle Gellar actually picks up the phone!!!!!! Now you can imagine the fireworks that come from this! I guess the girl actually flies to LA to bitch her boyfriend out and all, and i think he actually made up with her and they are back together again still! Can you believe it! He actually gave up Sara Michelle Gellar! I could just die...
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BAH hahahahaha how true. the germans coulda stole the show if they didn't piss of the russians and start fights on both sides of their borders.
When God created the world, with adam and eve, the world was without sin. There was nothing between God and man, no need for heaven, no need for hell, man could live on earth with God for ever. God allowed the devil to exist for one simple reason: so that we would have a reason to follow God. Think about it... if man were together with God, and could do nothing wrong to seperate himself from God (remember, sin did not exist at this time) he could ignore Him. God wants for us to stay with him, the devil and hell are there to give us an alternative...
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Do you even know anything about perl? -- AC Replying to Tom Christiansen post.
She did voices for the videogame version. Presto
Still, anyone who can put on those subtle accents and create characters out of that is unique and talented.
...but behind it all, I always heard the same voice.)
Hear, HEAR.
but always felt her voices on South Park at least were more or less one-note voices {snip}
I'm with you as far as Ms. Broslofsky, the Mayor, Barbra Streisand, Stan's Mom, and the Bus Driver, but you're forgetting:
Cartman's mom
Wendy Testaburger
Dude, to have those voices also in the repertoire is pure and f**king unadulterated RANGE. I'm still having a hard time believing that was also her. Maybe I have lower standards, but having been in radio myself, I doubt it. I used to be able to do about two sets of three or four characters that only slightly sounded like each other (similar to what you're describing of Mary Kay), and I'd consider that normal -- she had every female on South Park. THAT, sir, is talent.
And although I know half of making me laugh when I watch South Park is the writing, Mary Kay Bergman gets her share of credit for it, whether or not I knew her name before the announcement, because she helped deliver it to me regularly and perfectly. I thank her profusely for each and every one of her characters, and I'll miss her contribution to my psyche.
On another note, she apparently had to deal with a life-threatening tumor, and I have every bit of respect to anyone who must deal with that decision, NO MATTER WHAT they come up with. I hope she passed painlessly, and in the company of loved ones who celebrated her and her life.
In my home state, a right to assisted suicide for the terminally ill is the law of the land, and it was affirmed twice by our voters. I happen to agree with that right as it is expressed.
It's worth noting that another great voice talent, Jean Vander Pyl, passed recently too. She did Wilma Flintstone and a number of other Hanna-Barbera characters.
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The antidote to bad speech is not censorship, but more speech.
feel sorry for all the poor deluded fools ie. most posters to this topic, who actually think the sick humor of South Park is actually funny.
How dare you bastards mark my message as -1 Troll!
You American scumbags are a mixture of half animal monkey humans. In Holland we don't have yellow chinks, niggers, middle-east trash-human Allah-fuckers and jews. We've exterminated them sixty years ago with our German buddies. Blond hair, blue eyes. Hup Holland! Jullie Amerikanen zijn een stelletje klootzakken. Nederland is blank en wij zullen altijd racisten zijn, alle Nederlanders, net als onze Duitse collega's. Stinking Yankees mogen in hun eigen kutlandje blijven, waar ze thuis horen.
It's you losers who have to contend with justifying the so-called life of a sick perpetrator of South Park. My observation is that a suicide of someone like this is simply a case of the chickens coming home to roost.
I am deeply dismayed at many of /.'s readership on this topic. A woman is dead, I feel sad for this - not REAL sadness, simply because I did not personally know Mrs. Bergman, but any unnecessary loss of life is a sad event. I simply cannot beleive that this event has been turned into a religious debate! The sheer amount of insensitivity I've seen on this artice is truly sad! Truly, who cares whether Mrs. Bergman was Christian or not? Who cares what the point of SP is? How the F*CK does the fact that you may be offended at SP or not find it humorous mean that her death is a result of the show's subject matter?! I've seen some people's true feelings displayed here and it only enforces my opinion (often reflected on the Simpsons and SP - how ironic) that people are sh*ts to each other! I've seen people get all patronizing that such a poor "unvbeliever" has killed herself without being saved, or that all compter geeks are mentally depressed freaks, not to mention a post claiming the the death was the result of the show's content and we shouldn't mourn it! This last comment was the straw that broke the camel's back for me. Mr. pigiron, you have posted what I personally believe to be the most tasteless, purile, sickening and disgustlingly heartless comment I've ever seen on /. I know of no major faith that would truly support that statement. I truly hope you reap what you sow with that sad attitude. I appreciate all those (both theists and atheists) who have posted their sad feelings for this event, but I am truly shocked at some of the responses I've seen, from both religious and non-religious people. I just had to express my feelings on this matter, as this is a sad day for /., not because of Mrs. Bergman's death, for as many have said, thousands of people die everyday and we can mourn them all with true sorrow, but for the heartless comments posted here. Respectfully, Kevin Christie kwchri@wm.edu BTW, in case you wondered, I am an agnostic/atheist who loves the dark humor of SP.
I apologize, but I forgot to properly format my posting:
/.'s readership on this topic. A woman is dead, I feel sad for this - not REAL sadness, simply because I did not personally know Mrs. Bergman, but any unnecessary loss of life is a sad event. I simply cannot beleive that this event has been turned into a religious debate! The sheer amount of insensitivity I've seen on this artice is truly sad! Truly, who cares whether Mrs. Bergman was Christian or not? Who cares what the point of SP is? How the F*CK does the fact that you may be offended at SP or not find it humorous mean that her death is a result of the show's subject matter?!
/. I know of no major faith that would truly support that statement. I truly hope you reap what you sow with that sad attitude. I appreciate all those (both theists and atheists) who have posted their sad feelings for this event, but I am truly shocked at some of the responses I've seen, from both religious and non-religious people. I just had to express my feelings on this matter, as this is a sad day for /., not because of Mrs. Bergman's death, for as many have said, thousands of people die everyday and we can mourn them all with true sorrow, but for the heartless comments posted here.
I am deeply dismayed at many of
I've seen some people's true feelings displayed here and it only enforces my opinion (often reflected on the Simpsons and SP - how ironic) that people are sh*ts to each other! I've seen people get all patronizing that such a poor "unvbeliever" has killed herself without being saved, or that all compter geeks are mentally depressed freaks, not to mention a post claiming the the death was the result of the show's content and we shouldn't mourn it!
This last comment was the straw that broke the camel's back for me. Mr. pigiron, you have posted what I personally believe to be the most tasteless, purile, sickening and disgustlingly heartless comment I've ever seen on
Respectfully,
Kevin Christie
kwchri@wm.edu
BTW, in case you wondered, I am an agnostic/atheist who loves the dark humor of SP.
This is not very trendy - now that it is so hip to bash celebrity-mourning post-Diana, post-JFK Jr. - but I think this guy is right. I went to a friend's glass-blowing workshop a few weeks ago and noticed a table in the corner covered with all of these unbelievably tiny and intricate glass angels and seahorses and dragons and such. I found out they were made by the elderly former owner of the studio, who had died six months earlier.
There was a little interview from the local newspaper done with him shortly before his death hung above the table. Reading it I became so sad. To actually see right in front of me the kind of beauty this man was able to bring into the world, and to understand that he was gone forever, was really moving.
Long and short, your work matters. The things you create and contribute in this life can and should be part of why you are honored by people when you are gone, even if they never met you.
Night
okay, now, Mary Kay's death, tragic and all, yep, but I bet if she were watching, she'd laugh at this. Some may say this type of reference to suicide is somewhat insensitive (regardless of the kindly "r.i.p."), others may say it is calloused, perhaps as a self-defense mechanism. Some would say it was funny.
But our moderators seem to think it's flamebait. Sheesh, some people...
OMG Culture as degenerate as americas..*Sigh* lemme guess gotta be Eurotrash or an Australian. Hey buddy our culture is as rich in blood, Slavery and Oppression as any of you uppity old world countries... Bite us, WE OWN YOU
Until they have a "lowest scores first" option, downward moderation is a covert act of censorship (NOT government censorship, mind you).
/.ERS!!! Down with downward (or god-fucking-damnit, at least give the option to conveniently seek out the worst, first).
WAKE UP
BTW, we might want to informally agree to separate Church and Slashdot. This just doesn't feel like the right forum to discuss spirituality.
-- Dave Aiello
one has to state that one of the differences
between humans and a piece of stone flying
around in space, is to care for each other.
Even if someone's job is a 'sewer of nihilistic cynicism',
it is regrettable if that person sees
no other way out than to end his/her life.
Be aware that one day you too could face a similar
situation, where you might need someone to lean on.
Until then, your human spirit may give others,
what one day you might need too. And yes, I feel
sad about this girl.
The "minister" of my church just got fired by the parishioners after repeated DUI charges. What did the bishop do? Send him off to another church with no counciling or anything to help his problem. Some night this drunken shithead could cross the median and kill a family. But I guess the saddest part will be the clergyman dying, not the family, right?
"O who can ever gaze his fill," W. H. Auden
"O who can ever gaze his fill,"
Farmer and fisherman say,
"On native shore and local hill,
Grudge aching limb or callus on the hand?
Fathers, grandfathers stood upon this land,
And here the pilgrims from our loins shall stand."
So farmer and fisherman say
In their fortunate heyday:
But Death's soft answer drifts across
Empty catch or harvest loss
Or an unlucky May:
The earth is an oyster with nothing in it
Not to be born is the best for man
The end of toil is a bailiff's order
Throw down the mattock and dance while you can.
"O life's too short for friends who share,"
Travellers think in their hearts,
"The city's common bed, the air,
The mountain bivouac and the bathing beach,
Where incidents draw every day from each
Memorable gesture and witty speech."
So travellers think in their hearts
Till malice or circumstance parts
Them from their constant humour:
And slyly Death's coercive rumour
In the silence starts:
A friend is the old tale of Narcissus
Not to be born is the best for man
An active partner in something disgraceful
Change your partner, dance while you can.
"O stretch your hands across the sea,"
The impassioned lover cries,
"Stretch them toward your harm and me.
Our grass in green, and sensual our brief bed,
The stream sings at its foot, and at its head
The mild and vegetarian beasts are fed."
So the impassioned lover cries
Till his storm of pleasure dies:
From the bedpost and the rocks
Death's enticing echo mocks,
And his voice replies:
The greater the love, the more false to its object
Not to be born is the best for man
After the kiss comes the impulse to throttle
Break the embraces, dance while you can.
"I see the guilty world forgiven,"
Dreamer and drunkard sing,
"The ladders let down out of heaven;
The laurel springing from the martyr's blood;
The children skipping where the weepers stood;
The lovers natural, and the beasts all good."
So dreamer and drunkard sing
Till day their sobriety bring:
Parrotwise with death's reply
From whelping fear and nesting lie,
Woods and their echoes ring:
The desires of the heart are as crooked as corkscrews
Not to be born is the best for man
The second best is a formal order
The dance's pattern, dance while you can.
Dance, dance, for the figure is easy
The tune is catching and will not stop
Dance till the stars come down with the rafters
Dance, dance, dance till you drop.
You Bastard. And thanks again for not delivering the product you promised. Windows 2000 is going to SUCK. It's not going to be the integration of Windows 9x and NT that was promised. And why doesn't IE have print preview?
South Park isn't sick, just gross and stupid (and funny, yes). You probably are so puritane you can't handle a little cartoon, or you just have no sense of humor. It's morons like you who should be terminated. That woman had talents and it's a pity she can't share it anymore. To claim her death is no loss at all is a total disrespect for her friends and family too, whether her job was a secretary, doctor or voice actress.
kill herself? Was it at least creative? A neighbor of mine killed herself at home so that her kids could come home and find her laying there dead. Isn't that funny? What a wonderfully considerate mother. So Mary Kay, being the creative comedy genius she was, must have thought up a really funny way to off herself. I mean, she is this great person everyone here loves, so she must have left us all with one last laugh, right?
TROLL
...give our kids guns to shoot other kids in kindergarten
- hey, hasn't a kindergartener ever pissed you off?
...have to let the police check 5 year olds for gunposession
- get your facts straight, it's 3 year olds.
...have KKK
- it helps the white sheet industry.
...beat Rodney King
- those were canadian police officers.
...judged O.J. Simpson NOT GUILTY for murdering Nicole
- it's more fun to have him out there hounded by the press than to have him rotting in jail.
...have a president who get's his cocked blowed from a 19 years young governemnt intern
- yeah, we have a kick ass leader who can get blown by 19 year olds. who wants some old fuck on his last breath leading them?
...disrespect all other countries and have no friends
- yeah, no friends until the shit hits the fan. then they all turn to us for help.
...shout "USA, USA, USA" whereever we go
- it's better than ending every sentence with "ay"
...have more black people in jail than as civillians
- they were given the choice between jail or being sent to canada. it's not our fault they chose jail.
...had a law 'til the 1950's which banned Asians from being national citizens
- right, so they all came to canada, and you benefited. so we actually helped you out, because otherwise, who the fuck would move to canada.
...have a national Nazi party
- yeah, and they are kind of funny. didn't you see The Blues Brothers?
...bombed the Chinese embassy out of revenge
- so? canada would too if they weren't so weak.
...are too coward to admit it
- like we have to admit it. it's already obvious we did it.
...have the most hatred against Jews
- no, that's germany
...carry guns whereever we go
- you never know when you might be hungry and need to shoot a deer.
...fuck when we are 11 and get babies at 15
- it's going to happen some time, may as well get started.
...are greedy for money
- at least our money is worth something. who would be greedy for canadian currency. that's like being greedy for toilet paper
...has a too crowded national flag
- will be more crowded when canada becomes the 51st state.
...welcome nazi-scum like Wehrner von Braun to work for our national space agency
- why, do you think he may have been interested in going to your space agency but we stole him away?
...think going to the moon is cooler than being the first in space
- the Wright Brothers were the first in space, so we got both that and the moon.
...diss the Russians and spread lies about them
- who cares about the russians. they are a bunch of crybabies who claim we are to blame for their problems. we didn't do anything, they screwed themselves.
...are the most hypocrit of all
- no, we are better than everyone else, so we hold ourselves to a different standard.
...are jealous of the Japanese, becaus they have better technology
- it's not jealousy, it's caution because they used their technology to attempt to enslave the asian continent in the 1930's. if it wasn't for the U.S.A. there would be no China today. We got our naval base bombed in peacetime because of japanese technology
...become crybabies when hearing our national anthem
- at least our national anthem is about us kicking england's ass. we don't put that slavemaster country's bitch queen on our coins here.
I don't know if the moderator was just being a sourpuss or just didn't know that this was a quote from the South Park movie.
I would have given it a +1 funny.
Just for that, I recommend that everyone see the movie. Enlighten yourselves. Particulary if you actually thought this person meant we should actually blame Canada.
I don't need large brains to have a good time.
My post is entitled "Idiocy". I've never had a reason to post on /. before but I absolutely could not believe what I was reading. I usually come to /. cause it's a classy place. But this thread was absolutely unbelievable. LIke I said in my post, these are probably the same type of people who come crawling to me contemplating suicide 'cause they can't figure out why noone likes them and why they can't into a relationship.
I had an incident on a gaming forum a few weeks ago where a regular made a post in which he was contemplating suicide. What's ironic is I'm almost certain he would have made comments like these. Well I ICQed him and taught him what the fuck it means to be a human.
Well, I hope suicide never touches there lives. If it does, they won't think it's so funny.
And in my original post I also lashed out at computer nerds, and I guess after seeing some of the comments made I'm sticking to it.
People die everyday from starvation or war in other contries. Just because one person who did a voice for a meaningless show that preyed upon people's lack of taste and humor is dead isn't the end of the world.
"I hate to advacate drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity to anyone; but they have always worked for me."--Hunter S. Thompson
Two different Darrens, no less. And it was still
successful.
well ... that's all we need isn't ?
... I suggest you should grow up ... try to buy yourself another brain ... get-a-life(tm).
... wat ben je nu vooruit ?.
being racist in heart will really help you further
Ah en ja, dit komt van een naburig landgenoot
Sorry but the message from this AC is anything except "level". U are passing the year 2000, don't act like somebody of the year 300.
Freaker / TuC
--- I am known for the ones who want to find me on the net. Is that a privacy risk or a privilege? One might wonder..
Well, just self learning code will get you a job in today's economy. But having a degree demonstrates that you're not flaky, and can multitask and you understand the concepts behind the code. Dude at some point the economy is gonna go downhill, and all these self-taught programmers are gonna be SOL. I hate to tell you it but being a self taught programmer is nothing special, there are a million out there like you. The job market is good now, but it will inevitably decline. And so will the demand for programmers in general. This will decline.
Well I was really affected by the comments and I lashed out in frustration. I guess my threshold was too low, I was reading all the AC's. I guess it's my time to apologize.
And I phrased it bad too. I should've said mentioned that it is generally the people who laugh at other people's misfortune and make fun of stuff like suicide. Well I didn't mean it.
Suicide is just another one of those conventions, where people always say "how sad" or "how unfortunate".
The joy of South Park is that it points out the absurdity of many of our social conventions. In that spirit, if this lady was so unhappy and confused in life, I'm glad she's dead now. I feel empathy not for her, but for those who loved her.
One thing that I am thinking now, almost as an
afterthought of this now old discussion....
A person who is actually contemplating suicide
is not in the same "State of Consciousness" as
most people are in on a daily basis.
You can't reason easily from one state of thinking
into another without understanding some things.
Thinking of this I am drawing on my experiances
as "Trip Sitter" for a friend who took some acid
and became convinced he was going to die.
There is a phenominon known as the Negative
thought loop. In this the mind gets caught in
a loop it seemingly can not escape. It is common
with both depression, "Bad Trips" and other
situations.
THink of the situation like this. The person
decides they can't go on with "The pain"
(depression basically) so they need to end it.
They realize that thgeir fammily does not
understand and can not. They KNOW their decision
will hurt the people that care for them. This
makes them feel even worst. This brings them
further into depression and makes the pain worst
and even more unbearable.
This depression was summed up very humerously
in "Office SPace" when the main character
said "Each day is progressivly worst. So every
day that you see me, it is the worst day of my
life"
Anyone still interested in this subject or not
sure what to think I would direct to :
http://www.xanthia.com/ash
this is the webpage for alt.suicide.holiday
it is a group where several suicidal people
regularly speak to eachother. They often speak
of how they plan to kill themselves etc...yet
at the same time...this talking is almost like
a therapy. One has to wonder how many people did
not kill themselves because of this group.
I would warn anyone vehimently against suicide
that you are not welcome there. They are quite
tired of people trying to "Sasve them" and tell
them "How great they are". It just makes them more
bitter and helps noone.
I would recomend the FAQ. It has some very thought
provoking portions. The methods file may not be
for the weak of heart but...it has some dark
humor that is just the kind of humor I like.
"I opened my eyes, and everything went dark again"