There must be another step to this process, because a huge number of people have been arrested and punished for possessing marijuana for years now, and there are lobbyists, *and* polls indicate that the vast majority of US citizens don't think it should be illegal, and yet... nothing. States have even spoken up advocating the medical use of marijuana, but apparently even that isn't enough.
Agreed. There was something about that scene -- the strippers seemed to be just going through the motions; it was all very disjointed and weird. At least, if I recall correctly -- I don't have the DVD around to watch the scene again. I don't think the scene would have worked had they been clothed.
Now, was the scene itself a vital part of the movie? I don't know. I don't know if any individual scene in that movie was vital, but the sum was definitely more than the parts. I didn't think this scene was gratuitous nudity -- especially since they didn't seem to be trying to make it all that appealing. Oh, look, naked chick crouched with knees spread *yawn*.
Hey, I was plenty passionate about CS in college! What I didn't feel passion for? The vast majority of the guys in the department.
It's true that there were very few females in higher-level CS classes; on the other hand, percentage wise, there were as many if not more females in the classes as there were *attractive* males.
Here's a clue: you're in class to get an education, not to let your hormones run free.
Don't get me wrong, i mean... i dig chicks, but I guess i just don't understand why women have to simultaneously prove that they're both equal and special. They're like that with a lot of other things too. I cannot rationalize that, but they refuse to see anything wrong with a lot of their logic.
Is that like refusing to see anything wrong with taking the actions of a subset of a group and describing them as though they represent the actions of the entire group?
But I'd like you to take a step back a moment. First of all, the stuff you're describing has nothing to do with right; it has to do with marketing. Secondly, women *do* have somewhat different nutritional needs. Most women are either losing iron every month or are supporting a growing life inside of them. (Me, personally, I'm on depo, so I'm not doing either, but hey, I'm special.) Women get menopause and start losing bone mass 10-15 years sooner than men start experiencing similar losses (numbers taken off the top of my head; ballpark figure). While I have no idea if the marketers of various foods are truly being helpful or just taking advantage of advertising, the idea that men and women have different nutritional needs is not that far-fetched.
But I probably will not be willing to ever fork over the bucks that some of the upcoming all-in-one gaming/movie/theater systems are going to cost. I'll just get a cheapo PS2 and some decent games. I don't want gaming to be my life.
Yeah, I thought that too.
Then I decided I'd like to be able to play SSX 3 with surround sound, and I bought some optical cables for the PS2.
Then it turned out that there were not enough options on our receiver. We could get surround sound or video from the PS2, but not both.
Sooo... we bought a $800 receiver to make sure that my $50 cable investment wasn't wasted.
Oops?
I do love that new receiver, though...
We still have the craptastic 27" TV. It's really out of place. Eventually, I'd like to get a projector... but that won't be any time soon.
To pick a nit, Gnome and KDE aren't window managers, and there were tons out there for a long time -- fvwm, twm, you-name-it-wm. Man of them predate linux.
Making a rule to not change the spec is great -- till you find that the spec doesn't match the true mission requirements. Not much point in continuing the project if the final result won't accomplish its objectives.
Bitching about inadequate QA makes sense -- but most projects have this pesky thing called a "budget."
One of my projects recently discussed the possibility of independent verification -- hiring a separate company, throwing the code over the wall, and having them write new unit tests for it. The problem is, it's bloody expensive! So the customers have to decide whether or not to take that hit.
In the case of medical equipment, I'd think they'd go the more expensive and more reliable route. But for many projects, it's just not realistic.
Take it to the next level. Since I'm your friend, would you please lend me $5,000? Can I come stay at your house for a few months? Can I borrow your credit card to go buy some computer stuff? I promise, I'll stick to a limit you set. No? Why? I thought we were friends?
I think I agree with you in general, but this example is stretching it. I have very few relatives, let alone friends, to whom I would loan more than $100 (and even that's stretching it), who would be welcome at my house for months at a time, or to whom I would extend credit card priveleges. In all of the above examples, even with my closest friends and family members, there had better be a good reason for the request.
By the same token, I wouldn't feel comfortable borrowing large amounts of money from most of my friends, staying at their house for a long time, or borrowing their credit cards. I don't want that level of responsibility for someone else's stuff.
Fine art is a form of expression. I am not sure how well programming does this. Were it not for commented code, I don't how one could discern the author of a great piece of code from another.
I think you probably could, if you spent as much time analyzing others' code as some people do studying art. I can most definitely recognize certain *ugly* tendencies in code as belonging to particular individuals!
Someone at work showed me this using the XP power toys pack a few days ago.
We generally agreed that it was cute but pointless, as the scaled versions didn't allow you to drag apps from one desktop to another.
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This is a great example of where version control systems can really save your butt. Even if you *have* changed multiple things, at least you have some idea of what changed between when you started hacking around to find the bug and when you found it.
Agreed. In fact, in my above post, I was considering adding something to the effect of, "And if I try to be a super-athlete and fail, no harm done. If I screw up parenthood, I've screwed up a lot more than my own personal goals."
That being said, you don't need working ovaries to be a good parent. Real parenthood is a matter entirely divorced from biology.
If you ask me, which would you rather be, the top-ranked athlete in X sport or a mother, I'd choose option A.
Almost any woman can be a mother. Only a tiny fraction can be successful professional athletes.
(And I'm not sure about the permanent damage part, anyway. Yes, women who go below a certain percentage of body fat stop menstruating, but when they gain the fat back, they start again. I'm genuinely curious -- could you point me to some references?)
Sounds like you're talking about "freedom from" vs. "freedom to", a topic explored (sort of) in The Handmaid's Tale.
I don't think anyone should be driving when they've been drinking. Period.
But I also don't want to run to my car with a goon chasing me, jump in, try to start the car, and... wait half a minute for the thing to let me start it?
Some cars are iffy on the whole starting thing, anyway. Do we really want to add additional hoops for those old cars to jump through?
Oh, and if I read the blurb right, this is talking about *New Mexico*, not Mexico. A bit closer to home.
Why it is that non-profits and political campaigns are exempt in the first place?
My reaction when reading this blurb is, "Damn right, it's unfair -- ban them, too!"
I don't care if you're representing Joe Blow Lightbulbs Inc. or Mary Sue Parapalegic Midgit Orphans.org... I don't want you to call, email, or mail me! Leave me the f*** alone! Don't call me; I'll call you. kthxbye.
Yeah. My usage is pretty similar to what you describe, so using CD-RWs doesn't make a ton of sense to me.
Actually, I recently ran into a boot issue (lilo.conf pointing to the wrong location for the kernel file; doh!), and for some reason the latest Knoppix gave me permissions guff when I tried to use lilo. My trusty ol' Debian netinst CD, on the other hand, worked like a charm.
I would love to prove you wrong... just lemme think of something big enough to impress you =)
I have, by the way, met some exceptional female technical people. I work with a woman whose grasp of every level of the product we're developing, from the tiniest detail to the biggest picture, is astonishing. I ask her about the hardware, the software, the test cases... she has it down. A coworker of mine at a previous company had a better grasp of the language we were using than any other programmer there -- and there were quite a few of us, some of whom I'd judge to be gurus.
I would also like to see a successful large software project led by a woman. I think the "solely developed" bit part needs to be reevaluated, though. I can think of very few truly large efforts developed purely by one person, and in the cases I can think of, the "solely" part is more a matter of unwillingness to delegate and accept patches than it is a matter of great programming prowess. There's a lot of talent out there -- it would be stupid to reject it if it's offered.
I agree, though. I'd love to see more visible projects led by women. (Led in the technical lead sense, not in the managerial sense.)
My understanding was that the OP was trying to say that "well, most women are technically incompetent compared to men, so it's okay to have the attitude that women are technically incompetent." Maybe I misread. As a female whose primary interests tend to be dominated by males, I see these sorts of attitudes enough that I may sometimes see them where they don't exist.
It's frustrating when you realize that such a large number of people, both male and female, think that because you're female, you must be deficient in math, logic, and technical skills... that you must lag behind the boys in sports... etc. When I was in high school, my martial arts instructor proudly told my dad that I would be the third person in the history of the school to get a first degree black belt in such a short time. My dad's response? "The third female, right?" *sigh*
There are days when I wish that I enjoyed cooking, knitting, kids, and chick flicks. It would make the navigation of so many aspects of society much easier. Fortunately, I've been able to find friends who are either like-minded or open-minded enough not to make stupid assumptions.
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There must be another step to this process, because a huge number of people have been arrested and punished for possessing marijuana for years now, and there are lobbyists, *and* polls indicate that the vast majority of US citizens don't think it should be illegal, and yet ... nothing. States have even spoken up advocating the medical use of marijuana, but apparently even that isn't enough.
I've been doing this with winamp and xmms for years. This is *not* an ipod phenomenon. It's not even new.
... what's up with that?
All of these articles lately about how ipod is changing the way people listen to music
Ah. My bad.
Near as I can tell, mini disks are actually more expensive than full-sized ones.
Blah.
replying to your sig here ...
Um, you do realize all cows are female, right?
Agreed. There was something about that scene -- the strippers seemed to be just going through the motions; it was all very disjointed and weird. At least, if I recall correctly -- I don't have the DVD around to watch the scene again. I don't think the scene would have worked had they been clothed.
Now, was the scene itself a vital part of the movie? I don't know. I don't know if any individual scene in that movie was vital, but the sum was definitely more than the parts. I didn't think this scene was gratuitous nudity -- especially since they didn't seem to be trying to make it all that appealing. Oh, look, naked chick crouched with knees spread *yawn*.
Hey, I was plenty passionate about CS in college! What I didn't feel passion for? The vast majority of the guys in the department.
It's true that there were very few females in higher-level CS classes; on the other hand, percentage wise, there were as many if not more females in the classes as there were *attractive* males.
Here's a clue: you're in class to get an education, not to let your hormones run free.
Don't get me wrong, i mean... i dig chicks, but I guess i just don't understand why women have to simultaneously prove that they're both equal and special. They're like that with a lot of other things too. I cannot rationalize that, but they refuse to see anything wrong with a lot of their logic.
Is that like refusing to see anything wrong with taking the actions of a subset of a group and describing them as though they represent the actions of the entire group?
But I'd like you to take a step back a moment. First of all, the stuff you're describing has nothing to do with right; it has to do with marketing. Secondly, women *do* have somewhat different nutritional needs. Most women are either losing iron every month or are supporting a growing life inside of them. (Me, personally, I'm on depo, so I'm not doing either, but hey, I'm special.) Women get menopause and start losing bone mass 10-15 years sooner than men start experiencing similar losses (numbers taken off the top of my head; ballpark figure). While I have no idea if the marketers of various foods are truly being helpful or just taking advantage of advertising, the idea that men and women have different nutritional needs is not that far-fetched.
But I probably will not be willing to ever fork over the bucks that some of the upcoming all-in-one gaming/movie/theater systems are going to cost. I'll just get a cheapo PS2 and some decent games. I don't want gaming to be my life.
... we bought a $800 receiver to make sure that my $50 cable investment wasn't wasted.
...
... but that won't be any time soon.
Yeah, I thought that too.
Then I decided I'd like to be able to play SSX 3 with surround sound, and I bought some optical cables for the PS2.
Then it turned out that there were not enough options on our receiver. We could get surround sound or video from the PS2, but not both.
Sooo
Oops?
I do love that new receiver, though
We still have the craptastic 27" TV. It's really out of place. Eventually, I'd like to get a projector
To pick a nit, Gnome and KDE aren't window managers, and there were tons out there for a long time -- fvwm, twm, you-name-it-wm. Man of them predate linux.
Making a rule to not change the spec is great -- till you find that the spec doesn't match the true mission requirements. Not much point in continuing the project if the final result won't accomplish its objectives.
Bitching about inadequate QA makes sense -- but most projects have this pesky thing called a "budget."
One of my projects recently discussed the possibility of independent verification -- hiring a separate company, throwing the code over the wall, and having them write new unit tests for it. The problem is, it's bloody expensive! So the customers have to decide whether or not to take that hit.
In the case of medical equipment, I'd think they'd go the more expensive and more reliable route. But for many projects, it's just not realistic.
Take it to the next level. Since I'm your friend, would you please lend me $5,000? Can I come stay at your house for a few months? Can I borrow your credit card to go buy some computer stuff? I promise, I'll stick to a limit you set. No? Why? I thought we were friends?
I think I agree with you in general, but this example is stretching it. I have very few relatives, let alone friends, to whom I would loan more than $100 (and even that's stretching it), who would be welcome at my house for months at a time, or to whom I would extend credit card priveleges. In all of the above examples, even with my closest friends and family members, there had better be a good reason for the request.
By the same token, I wouldn't feel comfortable borrowing large amounts of money from most of my friends, staying at their house for a long time, or borrowing their credit cards. I don't want that level of responsibility for someone else's stuff.
Fine art is a form of expression. I am not sure how well programming does this. Were it not for commented code, I don't how one could discern the author of a great piece of code from another.
I think you probably could, if you spent as much time analyzing others' code as some people do studying art. I can most definitely recognize certain *ugly* tendencies in code as belonging to particular individuals!
To me, the difference is that, if I want to, I *can* invest the time and turn the black box of the linux kernel into a white box.
I can't do that with a closed-source app.
Someone at work showed me this using the XP power toys pack a few days ago.
We generally agreed that it was cute but pointless, as the scaled versions didn't allow you to drag apps from one desktop to another.
This is a great example of where version control systems can really save your butt. Even if you *have* changed multiple things, at least you have some idea of what changed between when you started hacking around to find the bug and when you found it.
But not every woman can be a good mother.
Agreed. In fact, in my above post, I was considering adding something to the effect of, "And if I try to be a super-athlete and fail, no harm done. If I screw up parenthood, I've screwed up a lot more than my own personal goals."
That being said, you don't need working ovaries to be a good parent. Real parenthood is a matter entirely divorced from biology.
Not everyone wants to reproduce.
If you ask me, which would you rather be, the top-ranked athlete in X sport or a mother, I'd choose option A.
Almost any woman can be a mother. Only a tiny fraction can be successful professional athletes.
(And I'm not sure about the permanent damage part, anyway. Yes, women who go below a certain percentage of body fat stop menstruating, but when they gain the fat back, they start again. I'm genuinely curious -- could you point me to some references?)
Sounds like you're talking about "freedom from" vs. "freedom to", a topic explored (sort of) in The Handmaid's Tale.
... wait half a minute for the thing to let me start it?
I don't think anyone should be driving when they've been drinking. Period.
But I also don't want to run to my car with a goon chasing me, jump in, try to start the car, and
Some cars are iffy on the whole starting thing, anyway. Do we really want to add additional hoops for those old cars to jump through?
Oh, and if I read the blurb right, this is talking about *New Mexico*, not Mexico. A bit closer to home.
Why it is that non-profits and political campaigns are exempt in the first place?
... I don't want you to call, email, or mail me! Leave me the f*** alone! Don't call me; I'll call you. kthxbye.
My reaction when reading this blurb is, "Damn right, it's unfair -- ban them, too!"
I don't care if you're representing Joe Blow Lightbulbs Inc. or Mary Sue Parapalegic Midgit Orphans.org
Yeah. My usage is pretty similar to what you describe, so using CD-RWs doesn't make a ton of sense to me.
Actually, I recently ran into a boot issue (lilo.conf pointing to the wrong location for the kernel file; doh!), and for some reason the latest Knoppix gave me permissions guff when I tried to use lilo. My trusty ol' Debian netinst CD, on the other hand, worked like a charm.
Considering how cheap CD-Rs are and how prevalent reusable storage devices are (usb keychain drives, for example), why would you ever use CD-RWs?
Not trying to criticize; I guess I just don't get it.
I put an app called xmouse in my startup folder and never worry about it again. I can't remember where I got it, though.
I would love to prove you wrong ... just lemme think of something big enough to impress you =)
... she has it down. A coworker of mine at a previous company had a better grasp of the language we were using than any other programmer there -- and there were quite a few of us, some of whom I'd judge to be gurus.
I have, by the way, met some exceptional female technical people. I work with a woman whose grasp of every level of the product we're developing, from the tiniest detail to the biggest picture, is astonishing. I ask her about the hardware, the software, the test cases
I would also like to see a successful large software project led by a woman. I think the "solely developed" bit part needs to be reevaluated, though. I can think of very few truly large efforts developed purely by one person, and in the cases I can think of, the "solely" part is more a matter of unwillingness to delegate and accept patches than it is a matter of great programming prowess. There's a lot of talent out there -- it would be stupid to reject it if it's offered.
I agree, though. I'd love to see more visible projects led by women. (Led in the technical lead sense, not in the managerial sense.)
My understanding was that the OP was trying to say that "well, most women are technically incompetent compared to men, so it's okay to have the attitude that women are technically incompetent." Maybe I misread. As a female whose primary interests tend to be dominated by males, I see these sorts of attitudes enough that I may sometimes see them where they don't exist.
... that you must lag behind the boys in sports ... etc. When I was in high school, my martial arts instructor proudly told my dad that I would be the third person in the history of the school to get a first degree black belt in such a short time. My dad's response? "The third female, right?" *sigh*
It's frustrating when you realize that such a large number of people, both male and female, think that because you're female, you must be deficient in math, logic, and technical skills
There are days when I wish that I enjoyed cooking, knitting, kids, and chick flicks. It would make the navigation of so many aspects of society much easier. Fortunately, I've been able to find friends who are either like-minded or open-minded enough not to make stupid assumptions.