Actually their code is protected by copyrights laws which are enough for that. Their code was leaked and yet you don't see "clones" of windows risen out of the brushes. As for "clones" like kde and gnome, you don't see them killing mswindows in a big way, actually the menace they represent is based on them being free, not on them being "clones". And finally, don't forget that mswindow was a big rip-off of the mac interface which was... etc etc and all of them do evolve with time following their own trend, ending finally as very different one from the others. So once again, there is no need for patents here. And another note, the european legal system is already quite hard on intellectual property. Look at the lindows trials. It didnt turn out well for ms in the usa, but they did win a few trials easily in europe to have their name protected. So us companies have nothing to fear about europe suddenly becoming a heaven of pirates. It has never been the trend here. What is more likely to happen is that if europe doesnt adopt such a stupid set of laws in the undemocratical way that the european patent office tries to pull, it is the us patent office that will have to find a more saner way to work, especially to find a way to regulate the patents they grant (right now, a joke), in order to have the european then harmonize their own laws. So it would be a win-win situation for both side of the pound.
however it doesn't look like Mandrake tests their Arabic support (and unfortunately it seems the Arabic users community is not doing a good job of testing and bug reporting either)
I would say that this work is community driven and not easy, to the point that translation of the mdk10 finished only recently, and the q&a worked started from then. Here is the message from Youcef Rabah Rahal on 2004-04-27 that announce the end of the translation work on cooker-i18n mailling list: Hello,
This is to announce that after 3 months of hard work, we (Arabeyes.org [1]) have finally completed [2] the translation of Mandrake to Arabic [3] (100% of the PO files !).
I have committed all the files to Mandrake's CVS. The status page [4] on Mandrake's site is not updated yet, but I think it will display the correct status in ~24 hours from now:-)
I would like to thank all the translators who contributed to this achievement, from the Arabeyes team or not.
The next step is to do Quality Assurance. This is a (long) incremental task that will consist of inspecting all the files, correct and make the translations consistent (as you may know, translation may not be consistent yet due to the fact that many people contributed, and that a great part of the initial translation was done outside the Arabeyes.org scope).
Hoping to see a full arabized Mandrake in the next release;-)
You can go and find the rest of the discussion as they talk on how such a process of translation work. Interresting stuff and a difficult and long job.
For Q&A this patch was unacceptable: -you can have the camera sticked in zoom mode after a move around a corner or after a zone change and can't zoom anymore until you move or rotate the view. -you can see that some parts of the world don't have textures. roofs in room? what roofs? -you can see yourself drowned in a see of fog. The fog is meant in levels for the top down view an looks very odd from shoulder view. -you can try to look at aribeth's panties.
As for the players, they waited for this for long because: -they don't give a crap about anything above. -it's so much cooler to watch your halfelin rogue take on the the gigantic troll from her height than to wait for the bashing to be over from above (boooring). -grass look so real. -you can watch who you are talking too. -you feel into the action (rpg). -you can try to watch aribeth's panties.
A real problem of this patch in nwn tho', is that the click is not effective in shoulder view. You can click a far away point or on contrary on some object that is in your back because it intercepted the click. So for tactical fights, you still have to take some altitude.
It seems we are already a whole bunch here interrested in that matter, well, at least we are three! Which also makes me wonder if you can really get rich doing crpg.:)
I believe the answer rely in a mix of sport games and action game. The press bar turn based thing is what gives you time to set your tactic on, but the fun is when the action flows. Yet, pure action based games give the advantage to no-tactic since usually one or 2 routine moves are enough to succeed.
So maybe some sort of sport interface where you choose the way you want your characters to position themselves and which strategy to follow thereafter, followed by an action phase where you can interfere but in real time would be the ideal. The problem is the "rooms" settings change often in rpg and evolve during the action, you start it in a big room and 3 moves later you just turned some narrow corner. So that would make it very difficult to have a good AI, if I judge by what can be found in regular game.
Now that I think of it, the big thing is the AI. If only the non player controlled entity would behave tactically. Right now, not one of them has reached the level of a stupid orc. Not even orcs.
OK, so we're on the same trend of thought, I think. Go to bioware site and go to their Jade something game site, there is a video which is reall nice to watch. I believe they are going in this direction. It's also something that is supposed to be in the CEP, which I havent tested yet: cooler animations. Granted this is not enough compared to what you talk about with PoP but it is/was already a step in this direction, and this console game I talk about seems to be another one. So we can hope those guys are tring to do something in this area to improve crpgs. Something is missing between real time goofy gameplay and one step-at-a-time-pressing-space-bar turn based gameplay.
I'm in the middle of nwn right now, playing the OC. As a matter of fact I find it quite well done considering the bashing it regulary takes. I like the way all the small sub plots connect. So all this bashing actually put me in a good mood: the rest is going to be so better. But yes, witch wake was really going in the right direction.
They did a kung-fu fighting rpg-like game for the xbox lately. Maybe some of the experience they got doing it ended in the real rpg game?
I'm not into console game, but this one looked really nice on video. I don't know about the gameplay, but i don't have high expectations about that for a console game. Was Prince of Persia a real RPG game, or are you talking about the tactic side of the fights?
Hi, I'm a genius legal adviser at Rambus. Yes, i considered that, and it appeared to me that if I'd go that way: 1/ I wouldnt be a legal adviser for Rambus 2/ I would be honest 3/ I would be poor 4/ the world would be better Obviously the missing link here is profit, therefore I obviously prefer to live in a shitty world AND have profit and... and... omg... I'm not a genius... I'm a stupid asshole!
If he is into serving people, the customer-focus part, i can understand that. There is a moment where the best intends need a good realization beyond themselves in order to reach people. Yet, I agree with you, it's a trap. You must not compromise with the bad guy, he will use your goodwill for HIS intents.
The thing is that I don't know. It wouldnt cross my mind to put my wonderings about someone else's life and behavior on a public site, especially if I was misquoting him. If he wants to tell people why he leaves, it seems he is able to do so, he seems to be fairly grown up, don't you think? I also don't doubt that a lot of people would immediatly join to help him as much as he has himself helped a lot of people already. But perhaps that's not the reason why he is resigning, don't you think?
*Cheap Bastards (like me) $25 As soon as the PS2 gets into the sub $50 range I'll probably go out and get one. Real Cheap Bastards wait for an emulator to be released.
Same here. I found a few pictures and didnt find them very attractive. Judging from the comments, i guess it has a lot to do with them being twins. So i guess we have discovered a typical us male fantasy: twiiiiins!
Well, he would have to sue in a french court to obtain the same effect, but isnt it what microsoft did to lindows when the trial didnt turn out as they expected in the usa? To sue them in european courts?
As a final note, having Iraq be free is important to our National Defence because, regardless of what those in DC say, part of the war in Iraq is securing access to vital resources for the American Economy. In other words oil. Of course, you understand that you just said "having Iraq be free for us to use" and not "having Iraq free for the Iraqis"?
Best to just seek out that park bench, some warm snuggly newspapers and a traffic cone. Yes, it does show there is some sanity left. I woke up at home with a traffic cone near my bed and no memory of leaving the party.
I agree. The fact that the medium leads and in many ways restrain the experience of the reader put it outside litteracy to me.
I remember for instance the way John Brunner echoed the zapping frenzy of its world in its Zanzibar novel. He didnt need a screen and an automated zapping to share that feeling with his readers, only style and talent. Same goes for Gibson's views of cyberspace.
You know people are not that dumb and grandmas even less since they had a lot of time to learn one trick or two. So my experience has been that people who are new to computer ask for a fonction, not for a particular software. As long as you play it honest to them they can understand pretty much everything.
You know of one that do "personal accounting", fine, show me. You've heard of one that do it but don't know how or how well it works, fine, let's try it. You don't know of one yet, well let's find it together. It's pretty much seamless.
The good point of being on linux is that the virus problem other system have balance quite well the roughness of some edges. I wouldnt advise it to someone who would like to do music editing right now, (although there are some nice movement in that area), but for typical desktop use, i havent hesitated to promote it for around 2 years.
When it comes to people who already have habits, it's another problem alltogether. Habits are a terrible pain to overcome, whatever direction you go.
He must be mistaking the boxes version like discovery and some packs, and the downloadable versions. Lists of rpms inside the cds: http://qa.mandrakesoft.com/distro/10.0-cty.c d
So it's a system that rely a lot on static libs, right? (for not having too many.framework needed)
And if your kid comes along and moves a bunch of files, all your shortcuts, associations, and often the programs themselves are screwed up. Nope since i don't use windows. All i can say is that my child can't move any app or any important file. period. nor can my parents in their home btw. Nor can I as a user. When i want to install a program, i do "urpmi name" and that's it. It's installed,period, i don't have to know where or what. And moving a shortcut wont affect anything since it calls the binary which is still in the PATH. Yet, i can see the beauty of the system you describe (like pretty much everything apple design since the apple II, man! did I lick that store windows!) and see how it could be used in the home directory of users for personnal apps. They do get the users right!
Thx a lot for the reply. I give you a personal +1 informative. And if you have time enough:
DMG: what happens when a library is missing?
the program as a file: How does the system keeps track of dependancies, if you move around libs that are needed by an other program? a registry? an on the fly ldconfig? is the file you move around really the program, or a representation of it (the real program being stored elsewhere)? (and i still fail to see the use of being able to move and organise as i want programs. Under linux, i can even ignore where the programs are, or know where they are, i just move and organise the icons that represent it, whatever the desktop manager i use. As a matter of fact, as a user, i'm released from having to manage programs.)
in a little while, community unfreezes and gets back to be a testing version of the distribution. More stable than cooker, with less experimental stuff, but which could be less stable than the official, since bleeding edge stuff is tested there.
I also remember, that community will produce an official.1 some time in the future, an up to date official version with all updates and more bleeding edge stuff incorporated into it, yet stable, like the 9.2.1 isos that were released some time after the 9.2 release.
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Actually their code is protected by copyrights laws which are enough for that. Their code was leaked and yet you don't see "clones" of windows risen out of the brushes. ... etc etc and all of them do evolve with time following their own trend, ending finally as very different one from the others. So once again, there is no need for patents here.
As for "clones" like kde and gnome, you don't see them killing mswindows in a big way, actually the menace they represent is based on them being free, not on them being "clones".
And finally, don't forget that mswindow was a big rip-off of the mac interface which was
And another note, the european legal system is already quite hard on intellectual property. Look at the lindows trials. It didnt turn out well for ms in the usa, but they did win a few trials easily in europe to have their name protected. So us companies have nothing to fear about europe suddenly becoming a heaven of pirates. It has never been the trend here.
What is more likely to happen is that if europe doesnt adopt such a stupid set of laws in the undemocratical way that the european patent office tries to pull, it is the us patent office that will have to find a more saner way to work, especially to find a way to regulate the patents they grant (right now, a joke), in order to have the european then harmonize their own laws.
So it would be a win-win situation for both side of the pound.
however it doesn't look like Mandrake tests their Arabic support (and unfortunately it seems the Arabic users community is not doing a good job of testing and bug reporting either)
:-)
;-)
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I would say that this work is community driven and not easy, to the point that translation of the mdk10 finished only recently, and the q&a worked started from then.
Here is the message from Youcef Rabah Rahal on 2004-04-27 that announce the end of the translation work on cooker-i18n mailling list:
Hello,
This is to announce that after 3 months of hard work, we (Arabeyes.org [1]) have finally completed [2] the translation of Mandrake to Arabic [3] (100% of the PO files !).
I have committed all the files to Mandrake's CVS. The status page [4] on Mandrake's site is not updated yet, but I think it will display the correct status in ~24 hours from now
I would like to thank all the translators who contributed to this achievement, from the Arabeyes team or not.
The next step is to do Quality Assurance. This is a (long) incremental task that will consist of inspecting all the files, correct and make the translations consistent (as you may know, translation may not be consistent yet due to the fact that many people contributed, and that a great part of the initial translation was done outside the Arabeyes.org scope).
Hoping to see a full arabized Mandrake in the next release
Regards,
[1] http://www.arabeyes.org/
[2] http://www.arabeyes.org/misc/mandrake_status_bar.
[3] http://www.arabeyes.org/project.php?proj=Mandrake
[4] http://www1.mandrakelinux.com/l10n/ar.php3
You can go and find the rest of the discussion as they talk on how such a process of translation work. Interresting stuff and a difficult and long job.
I think it was a fight between Q&A and players.
For Q&A this patch was unacceptable:
-you can have the camera sticked in zoom mode after a move around a corner or after a zone change and can't zoom anymore until you move or rotate the view.
-you can see that some parts of the world don't have textures. roofs in room? what roofs?
-you can see yourself drowned in a see of fog. The fog is meant in levels for the top down view an looks very odd from shoulder view.
-you can try to look at aribeth's panties.
As for the players, they waited for this for long because:
-they don't give a crap about anything above.
-it's so much cooler to watch your halfelin rogue take on the the gigantic troll from her height than to wait for the bashing to be over from above (boooring).
-grass look so real.
-you can watch who you are talking too.
-you feel into the action (rpg).
-you can try to watch aribeth's panties.
A real problem of this patch in nwn tho', is that the click is not effective in shoulder view. You can click a far away point or on contrary on some object that is in your back because it intercepted the click. So for tactical fights, you still have to take some altitude.
It seems we are already a whole bunch here interrested in that matter, well, at least we are three! :)
Which also makes me wonder if you can really get rich doing crpg.
I believe the answer rely in a mix of sport games and action game.
The press bar turn based thing is what gives you time to set your tactic on, but the fun is when the action flows. Yet, pure action based games give the advantage to no-tactic since usually one or 2 routine moves are enough to succeed.
So maybe some sort of sport interface where you choose the way you want your characters to position themselves and which strategy to follow thereafter, followed by an action phase where you can interfere but in real time would be the ideal.
The problem is the "rooms" settings change often in rpg and evolve during the action, you start it in a big room and 3 moves later you just turned some narrow corner. So that would make it very difficult to have a good AI, if I judge by what can be found in regular game.
Now that I think of it, the big thing is the AI. If only the non player controlled entity would behave tactically. Right now, not one of them has reached the level of a stupid orc. Not even orcs.
OK, so we're on the same trend of thought, I think.
Go to bioware site and go to their Jade something game site, there is a video which is reall nice to watch. I believe they are going in this direction. It's also something that is supposed to be in the CEP, which I havent tested yet: cooler animations. Granted this is not enough compared to what you talk about with PoP but it is/was already a step in this direction, and this console game I talk about seems to be another one.
So we can hope those guys are tring to do something in this area to improve crpgs. Something is missing between real time goofy gameplay and one step-at-a-time-pressing-space-bar turn based gameplay.
I'm in the middle of nwn right now, playing the OC. As a matter of fact I find it quite well done considering the bashing it regulary takes. I like the way all the small sub plots connect. So all this bashing actually put me in a good mood: the rest is going to be so better.
But yes, witch wake was really going in the right direction.
They did a kung-fu fighting rpg-like game for the xbox lately.
Maybe some of the experience they got doing it ended in the real rpg game?
I'm not into console game, but this one looked really nice on video. I don't know about the gameplay, but i don't have high expectations about that for a console game.
Was Prince of Persia a real RPG game, or are you talking about the tactic side of the fights?
Hi, I'm a genius legal adviser at Rambus. ... and ... omg ... I'm not a genius ... I'm a stupid asshole!
Yes, i considered that, and it appeared to me that if I'd go that way:
1/ I wouldnt be a legal adviser for Rambus
2/ I would be honest
3/ I would be poor
4/ the world would be better
Obviously the missing link here is profit, therefore I obviously prefer to live in a shitty world AND have profit and
So apple is going to confiscate people's weapons?
If he is into serving people, the customer-focus part, i can understand that. There is a moment where the best intends need a good realization beyond themselves in order to reach people.
Yet, I agree with you, it's a trap. You must not compromise with the bad guy, he will use your goodwill for HIS intents.
The thing is that I don't know.
It wouldnt cross my mind to put my wonderings about someone else's life and behavior on a public site, especially if I was misquoting him.
If he wants to tell people why he leaves, it seems he is able to do so, he seems to be fairly grown up, don't you think?
I also don't doubt that a lot of people would immediatly join to help him as much as he has himself helped a lot of people already. But perhaps that's not the reason why he is resigning, don't you think?
*Cheap Bastards (like me) $25
As soon as the PS2 gets into the sub $50 range I'll probably go out and get one.
Real Cheap Bastards wait for an emulator to be released.
This answer was made to a person asking why he kept the gentoo store and rights to use the gentoo name, not to why he was leaving.
Same here.
I found a few pictures and didnt find them very attractive. Judging from the comments, i guess it has a lot to do with them being twins. So i guess we have discovered a typical us male fantasy: twiiiiins!
Well, he would have to sue in a french court to obtain the same effect, but isnt it what microsoft did to lindows when the trial didnt turn out as they expected in the usa? To sue them in european courts?
As a final note, having Iraq be free is important to our National Defence because, regardless of what those in DC say,
part of the war in Iraq is securing access to vital resources for the American Economy. In other words oil.
Of course, you understand that you just said "having Iraq be free for us to use" and not "having Iraq free for the Iraqis"?
Yea, problem is there really was a cone and other stuffs in my room. I wasnt jocking.
But maybe you arent either?
Best to just seek out that park bench, some warm snuggly newspapers and a traffic cone.
Yes, it does show there is some sanity left. I woke up at home with a traffic cone near my bed and no memory of leaving the party.
I agree.
The fact that the medium leads and in many ways restrain the experience of the reader put it outside litteracy to me.
I remember for instance the way John Brunner echoed the zapping frenzy of its world in its Zanzibar novel. He didnt need a screen and an automated zapping to share that feeling with his readers, only style and talent. Same goes for Gibson's views of cyberspace.
You know people are not that dumb and grandmas even less since they had a lot of time to learn one trick or two.
So my experience has been that people who are new to computer ask for a fonction, not for a particular software. As long as you play it honest to them they can understand pretty much everything.
You know of one that do "personal accounting", fine, show me.
You've heard of one that do it but don't know how or how well it works, fine, let's try it.
You don't know of one yet, well let's find it together. It's pretty much seamless.
The good point of being on linux is that the virus problem other system have balance quite well the roughness of some edges.
I wouldnt advise it to someone who would like to do music editing right now, (although there are some nice movement in that area), but for typical desktop use, i havent hesitated to promote it for around 2 years.
When it comes to people who already have habits, it's another problem alltogether. Habits are a terrible pain to overcome, whatever direction you go.
He must be mistaking the boxes version like discovery and some packs, and the downloadable versions.c d
Lists of rpms inside the cds:
http://qa.mandrakesoft.com/distro/10.0-cty.
So it's a system that rely a lot on static libs, right? (for not having too many .framework needed)
And if your kid comes along and moves a bunch of files, all your shortcuts, associations, and often the programs themselves are screwed up.
Nope since i don't use windows. All i can say is that my child can't move any app or any important file. period. nor can my parents in their home btw. Nor can I as a user.
When i want to install a program, i do "urpmi name" and that's it. It's installed,period, i don't have to know where or what.
And moving a shortcut wont affect anything since it calls the binary which is still in the PATH.
Yet, i can see the beauty of the system you describe (like pretty much everything apple design since the apple II, man! did I lick that store windows!) and see how it could be used in the home directory of users for personnal apps.
They do get the users right!
Thx a lot for the reply. I give you a personal +1 informative.
And if you have time enough:
DMG:
what happens when a library is missing?
the program as a file:
How does the system keeps track of dependancies, if you move around libs that are needed by an other program? a registry? an on the fly ldconfig?
is the file you move around really the program, or a representation of it (the real program being stored elsewhere)?
(and i still fail to see the use of being able to move and organise as i want programs. Under linux, i can even ignore where the programs are, or know where they are, i just move and organise the icons that represent it, whatever the desktop manager i use. As a matter of fact, as a user, i'm released from having to manage programs.)
right now, official = community + updates
in a little while, community unfreezes and gets back to be a testing version of the distribution. More stable than cooker, with less experimental stuff, but which could be less stable than the official, since bleeding edge stuff is tested there.
I also remember, that community will produce an official.1 some time in the future, an up to date official version with all updates and more bleeding edge stuff incorporated into it, yet stable, like the 9.2.1 isos that were released some time after the 9.2 release.
No, YOU missed the OBVIOUS:
they are SPAMMERS, they won't pay, EVER.