I agree with you 100%. You can see it really easily at colleges. At my college the intro level courses are HUGE, and there are almost as many hot girls as there are geeky looking guys.
I don't mean to say that girls can't do tech jobs, and would love nothing more to see a bunch of hot girl geeks who know their way around a computer...but my point is there are a lot of boys and girls who have no genuine interest in computers, but are trying to go into computer science for the money.
They drop like flies, however, past the first "programming syntax" course. I think the figure quoted was something like 65% drop out at the first 2000-level course. And that was before the huge influx of dot-com-wannabees.
Then again, we're probably just jealous that a bunch of "normal" people, who had all the things we didn't (friends, popularity, no acne, etc.) are trying to take over the one thing we take the most pride in (brains+computers). So of course we're now rubbing it in their faces as they retreat, confirming that we are indeed "superior" to them, at least in some way.
A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF THE POPULATION *HASN'T*. Children have played violent fantasy games for as long as we have records of children playing. In the most recent spurt of "ultra-realistic" violent video games, levels of actual violence among kids has dropped *significantly*, despite the media circus over a few incidents. Slashdot has posted studies about a hundred times a month, if you want your studies go find them instead of getting so egotistical and insulting.
I don't know why you hate Wine, but the future is more like this:
1) Wine allows people to play games on linux NOW 2) People actually start switching to Linux and using it regularly because they don't have to reboot for games and such crap 3) Native games continue to be release occasionally, such as the ones by Id Software. People using Linux purchase these because they are more stable and have better performance than emulation. 4) Because linux actually has a user-base of gamers now, from emulation, companies find that porting is a viable business strategy. 5) People make games for linux. New games are native, old classic also work using emulation. Everyone is happy except Microsoft!
Using your own logic, this is how things will happen. The better performance of native games guarantees that while Wine garners Linux a bigger user base, those users continue buying and supporting any native linux games that are available.
ohh yea. I thought it was hilarious. The very idea that Doom causes school shooting is seriously flawed. If kids tried to copy the game, they would be hunting down evil demons, not shooting up innocent classmates. I could at least slightly understand the gasping idiot-parents if it was a game that had you running around a school shooting children. But like the parent post said, unless your teacher is 11 foot tall with hooves and shooting fireballs, Doom didn't let you shoot it.
I'd be way more worried about people letting their kids take REAL guns and shoot REAL innocent wildlife. That is MUCH more comparable to school shootings than clicking a mouse in Doom hunting evil zombie-demons in self-defense. I play first person shooters where you could say that I am shooting my girlfriend. It's no more harmful than laser tag. I'm also vegan. That should tell you how very distinct these games are from the morals of shooting(or eating) living beings.
I've heard that most of these cases are NOT companies "offering" censored videos/cds to consumers, alongside an offering of the uncensored video/cd, and people choosing the censored one. I honestly have never heard of someone choosing a censored copy over an uncensored one.
Most of these censorings seem to be (according to my film class' teacher) places like Blockbuster and Wal-Mart who for (their own) ethical reasons choose to only offer censored videos, with little or no indication that the product being offered is not the REAL product. Blockbuster would, for instance, cut out long scenes from movies, including dialogue quite important to the plot, because a booby happened to be showing in the scene.
And of course Wal-Mart just censors everything, offers no uncensored copies, and for a lot of people it may be the only vendor around to buy CDs from after a wal-mart-on-every-corner drives all the local record stores out of business.
You have the consumer right to censor any video you purchase. Feel free. (well, then again, DMCA...) There is no "consumer right" about forcing artists to censor their works. Offering both a censored and uncensored copy is perfectly fine by me, but offering only censored copies is both bad business and immoral in regard to the artist's work.
How idiotic. I don't know why you hate Wine, but the future is more like this:
1) Wine allows people to play games on linux NOW 2) People actually start switching to Linux and using it regularly because they don't have to reboot for games and such crap 3) Native games continue to be release occasionally, such as the ones by Id Software. People using Linux purchase these because they are more stable and have better performance than emulation. 4) Because linux actually has a user-base of gamers now, from emulation, companies realize that porting is a viable business strategy. 5) People make games for linux. New games are native, old classic also work using emulation. Everyone is happy except Microsoft!
Using your own logic, this is how things will happen. The better performance of native games guarantees that while Wine garners Linux a bigger user base, those users continue buying native linux games whenever possible.
I don't think it should be legal to tear down "slanderous" signs at your own discretion either (assuming the signs are legally placed). You file a tort, the courts can demand the person take the sign down, if they find that it IS indeed slanderous. Have you ever seen http://www.somethingawful.com? Lowtax has people threatening libel lawsuits almost daily because he says their website sucks. Should those people be able to DOS SomethingAwful just because *they* don't like Lowtax?
As long as you're making up BS analagies, this is more akin to "You think someone might have copied a piece of artwork you had on display, so you break into their home, and search the entire place making a complete wreck of it. What, you didn't actually copy their artwork? Tough cookies, artists can now legally break into people's houses at their own discretion and tear the place apart.
As far as I can see the only reason to have AOL interoperate, is so MS can kill off all the other chat clients. With MSN Messenger installed on every new copy of windows (whether you want it or not -- you can't even get rid of it), if MSN users could talk to AIM users, why would anyone bother downloading AIM? In a couple years of "wonderful interoperation", leading to no one using AOL's (or anyone else's) client, Microsoft would suddenly find a reason to no longer be interoperable. Now AOL is dead, yahoo is dead, all of the other networks are dead, because MSN has 99% of the userbase, and the other 1% can't talk to them.
Better to let AOL keep the 99% userbase than to give it to Microsoft. That's the real choice here when you say "interoperate". You know Microsoft has no interest whatsoever in "helping people communicate". They just want to steal AIM users from their monopoly position.
Before you can be punished for a crime, isn't due process required? And even if you are found to be committing a crime, since when were victims allowed to decide and administer punishment? This is seriously messed up stuff going on here, for this sort of thing even to be suggested by one of our representatives -- let alone if it actually passes!
Video games aren't "anger" any more than any other competion. Sports, Boy scouts, SCHOOL. Do we say "oh goodness, people might go crazy because they're competing with others for a goal"? Only if it happens to be a video game. What about paintball? Is paintball "harmful"? What about hunting - i'm sure they'd say hunting is even worse. In a video game it's all fake - teens are out there with REAL guns killing REAL life with them. But im clicking a mouse on some blob of pixels, and that's gonna fuck me up?
Yea, I think they got some "piracy tax" shit passed. They definetly had one on digital audio tapes (which of course, flopped big time). They tried or are trying to get on on CDs, i'm not sure how that turned out.
The idea is this: 1) people are going to use blank CDs to copy music, potentially for copying copyrighted works. 2) The RIAA is greedy and thinks every person who uses CDRs for any reason should be charged a piracy tax on CDRs that goes straight to the RIAA (never mind that cds can be used to copy ANYONE's copyrighted works, not just the RIAA's) 3) so then everyone, even a company using CDRs to make regular backups of their computers, or people using them for legitimate fair use purposes such as mix cds and mp3-cds(mp3s you own) are judged guilty of piracy and being fined for it. Super.
I'll have to disagree on the Grateful Dead point. My girlfriend is a hippie, her parents are hippie, etc. It seems to me that the only people who appreciate the live recordings are the people who already like the band enough and listen to the band enough that they own several (often all) of a band's albums. I never would have bought Severe Tire Damage by TMBG except that I own all their other albums. I also recently downloaded over 4gigs of live tracks and similar from TMBG. They all sound like crap compared to the albums. But I still enjoy them because I've heard the pre-recorded stuff a bazillion times. If I had tried listening to the 4 gigs of crap BEFORE buying TMBG albums, I never would have bought an album, but I also would have deleted the 4 gigs, because I would've thought the band SUCKED.
That's my opinion anyhow. All the live stuff I have, I only have because I love the band. And all the live stuff i've downloaded from band's I don't know well(ie: purchased an album or two already) I end up trashing.
Concerning the file selector: it would indeed help if it had the things you mentioned. HOWEVER, I think mozilla's file selector is about ten million times better than gnome or KDE's. Mozilla's is simple, compact, stretchable. Ever tried dealing with MP3s with 30-character long names using the gnome file selector? It's basically impossible. I forget which, but one of them didn't have a home button either. And the layout was about the least space-efficient possible! They could definetly stand to take mozilla's file selector with some minor modifications/additions.
transgaming is awesome software! I've just been playing Warcraft 2 (Battle-net edition, the old one was DOS and needs Dosemu), Deus Ex, and Counter-strike. All without leaving linux, and all *with* the ability to change workspaces to talk in Gaim while I'm playing (in between rounds of counter-strike can get tedious, after all).
Isn't netscape just mozilla rebranded with a lot of AOL crap icons and crap? And nice "built-in" "features" like AIM and Winamp and Realaudio and whatever other crap that you could just as easily download seperately if you wanted it?
lol. good reply. I totally agree. Just look at conway's life even, for an extremely simple example. Patterns come out of that which you'd never imagine looking at the simple ruleset. Now take whatever amount you agree with that, however small, and multiply it by a few billions of billions, to account for the vastly increased complexity of the human body, environment, brain, and past experiences. You get a lot of crazy shit coming out of the basic rules of "eat shit eat sleep eat shit eat sleep".
Just because it's all coming from the physical body, doesn't make it any less amazing or special.
At Virginia Tech the policy is pretty nice. Students are allowed to discuss concepts for homework and programming projects, as long as no actual code is shared.(whether copy-pasted or just letting someone else look at your code)
the idea of graded homework has always bothered me anyway, since the real point of homework is supposed to be to learn it. Quite often if a teacher has only lectured, it takes the practice problems of homework to actually teach me how to do it. So grading homework is often grading prior knowledge without ever letting a student practice what they're supposed to be learning.
99.5% of the music created today is not pop/rock crap, I don't think. But 99.5% of the music marketed by the RIAA(ie anything on the radio or tv) definetly is.
Then again you did say "manufactured", which is a good verb for the sort of music the RIAA keeps putting out.
If this thing ran off CDs and supported ogg vorbis I would buy this in an instant. As it is i'm forced to drool over the spiffy voice recognition and keep waiting...
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right. AOL "opening" their network to Microsoft means the death of AOL's entire userbase. Emrace and extinguish. With MSN Messenger bundled with MS Monopoly OS, how many people are going to download AIM? And how long do you think it will be before MS has a large enough userbase to suddenly stop working with AIM? Thus forcing the few remaining AIM users to switch to MSN to keep up with their friends, and bam, AOL, the last company big enough to stand up to Microsoft, is dead.
If you think MS plans to keep sharing after others share with it...
I worked for a company basically trouble shooting peoples computers and installing programs for them, getting them signed on to the network, etc.
Every single computer I went to that I hadn't already been at, I would have to spend about 15 minutes disabling 5 or more auto running programs, removing sneaky things from the start menu and registry, killing that stupid paper clip that everyone despises, and various other things that are required in Windows to get an uptime greater than a few hours.
I think about 50% of the computers I got sent to work on were generic "windows keeps crashing on me" problems. Half the time cleaning out all the auto-run shit from the registry would fix it, but a lot of times there was even more screwy stuff going on behind the scenes causing problems. Way too often I would have to reformat+reinstall to get the system stable again.
In windows you can notice the IP traffice suggesting there's spyware, but with most windows programs you can't open up the source, comment out a few functions, and then off a patch for everyone's program to remove the spyware but retain the functionality. With open source programs this is what would happen, making any effort at spyware very short-lived.
Compelling apps? I don't know what you're talking about. I just installed Mandrakea this week for the first time, and now i'm running KDE, using Netscape Mail, Mozilla(farrr better than IE), GnomeICU for ICQ, GAIM for AIM, Star Office (like MS Office but 500$ less and no stupid freakin paper clip), Quake3 (natively), counter-strike (in WINE), XMMS (and Winamp 3.0 will run on linux natively), etc. etc...
I think Windows $$$ OS is what lacks compelling apps. Why pay for Windows shit if I can do it for free?
(which of course doesn't say much for Lindows 200$ os either)
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personally I've ripped my cd collection twice already. and I plan to rip them again when.ogg comes out of beta. why? well, first time I ripped them at 128k. later I had a hard drive failure, and purchased a much larger hard drive. re-ripped at 160k. with a few months(hopefully( i'll re-rip again into.ogg, and forsee-ably I'll be ripping them several more times as bigger hard drives and better codecs are released, not to mention when I move in with my girlfriend and get to rip her entire cd collection too. ripping is a very timely process, especially if you don't have an extra computer to do it with. can't leave it going over night without being there to put new cds in...and can't do much with the computer while it's ripping. with how much I use my computer, that's a huge hassle.
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I agree with you 100%. You can see it really easily at colleges. At my college the intro level courses are HUGE, and there are almost as many hot girls as there are geeky looking guys.
I don't mean to say that girls can't do tech jobs, and would love nothing more to see a bunch of hot girl geeks who know their way around a computer...but my point is there are a lot of boys and girls who have no genuine interest in computers, but are trying to go into computer science for the money.
They drop like flies, however, past the first "programming syntax" course. I think the figure quoted was something like 65% drop out at the first 2000-level course. And that was before the huge influx of dot-com-wannabees.
Then again, we're probably just jealous that a bunch of "normal" people, who had all the things we didn't (friends, popularity, no acne, etc.) are trying to take over the one thing we take the most pride in (brains+computers). So of course we're now rubbing it in their faces as they retreat, confirming that we are indeed "superior" to them, at least in some way.
A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF THE POPULATION *HASN'T*. Children have played violent fantasy games for as long as we have records of children playing. In the most recent spurt of "ultra-realistic" violent video games, levels of actual violence among kids has dropped *significantly*, despite the media circus over a few incidents. Slashdot has posted studies about a hundred times a month, if you want your studies go find them instead of getting so egotistical and insulting.
I don't know why you hate Wine, but the future is more like this:
1) Wine allows people to play games on linux NOW
2) People actually start switching to Linux and using it regularly because they don't have to reboot for games and such crap
3) Native games continue to be release occasionally, such as the ones by Id Software. People using Linux purchase these because they are more stable and have better performance than emulation.
4) Because linux actually has a user-base of gamers now, from emulation, companies find that porting is a viable business strategy.
5) People make games for linux. New games are native, old classic also work using emulation. Everyone is happy except Microsoft!
Using your own logic, this is how things will happen. The better performance of native games guarantees that while Wine garners Linux a bigger user base, those users continue buying and supporting any native linux games that are available.
ohh yea. I thought it was hilarious. The very idea that Doom causes school shooting is seriously flawed. If kids tried to copy the game, they would be hunting down evil demons, not shooting up innocent classmates. I could at least slightly understand the gasping idiot-parents if it was a game that had you running around a school shooting children. But like the parent post said, unless your teacher is 11 foot tall with hooves and shooting fireballs, Doom didn't let you shoot it.
I'd be way more worried about people letting their kids take REAL guns and shoot REAL innocent wildlife. That is MUCH more comparable to school shootings than clicking a mouse in Doom hunting evil zombie-demons in self-defense. I play first person shooters where you could say that I am shooting my girlfriend. It's no more harmful than laser tag. I'm also vegan. That should tell you how very distinct these games are from the morals of shooting(or eating) living beings.
I've heard that most of these cases are NOT companies "offering" censored videos/cds to consumers, alongside an offering of the uncensored video/cd, and people choosing the censored one. I honestly have never heard of someone choosing a censored copy over an uncensored one.
Most of these censorings seem to be (according to my film class' teacher) places like Blockbuster and Wal-Mart who for (their own) ethical reasons choose to only offer censored videos, with little or no indication that the product being offered is not the REAL product. Blockbuster would, for instance, cut out long scenes from movies, including dialogue quite important to the plot, because a booby happened to be showing in the scene.
And of course Wal-Mart just censors everything, offers no uncensored copies, and for a lot of people it may be the only vendor around to buy CDs from after a wal-mart-on-every-corner drives all the local record stores out of business.
You have the consumer right to censor any video you purchase. Feel free. (well, then again, DMCA...)
There is no "consumer right" about forcing artists to censor their works. Offering both a censored and uncensored copy is perfectly fine by me, but offering only censored copies is both bad business and immoral in regard to the artist's work.
How idiotic. I don't know why you hate Wine, but the future is more like this:
1) Wine allows people to play games on linux NOW
2) People actually start switching to Linux and using it regularly because they don't have to reboot for games and such crap
3) Native games continue to be release occasionally, such as the ones by Id Software. People using Linux purchase these because they are more stable and have better performance than emulation.
4) Because linux actually has a user-base of gamers now, from emulation, companies realize that porting is a viable business strategy.
5) People make games for linux. New games are native, old classic also work using emulation. Everyone is happy except Microsoft!
Using your own logic, this is how things will happen. The better performance of native games guarantees that while Wine garners Linux a bigger user base, those users continue buying native linux games whenever possible.
I don't think it should be legal to tear down "slanderous" signs at your own discretion either (assuming the signs are legally placed). You file a tort, the courts can demand the person take the sign down, if they find that it IS indeed slanderous. Have you ever seen http://www.somethingawful.com? Lowtax has people threatening libel lawsuits almost daily because he says their website sucks. Should those people be able to DOS SomethingAwful just because *they* don't like Lowtax?
As long as you're making up BS analagies, this is more akin to "You think someone might have copied a piece of artwork you had on display, so you break into their home, and search the entire place making a complete wreck of it. What, you didn't actually copy their artwork? Tough cookies, artists can now legally break into people's houses at their own discretion and tear the place apart.
As far as I can see the only reason to have AOL interoperate, is so MS can kill off all the other chat clients. With MSN Messenger installed on every new copy of windows (whether you want it or not -- you can't even get rid of it), if MSN users could talk to AIM users, why would anyone bother downloading AIM? In a couple years of "wonderful interoperation", leading to no one using AOL's (or anyone else's) client, Microsoft would suddenly find a reason to no longer be interoperable. Now AOL is dead, yahoo is dead, all of the other networks are dead, because MSN has 99% of the userbase, and the other 1% can't talk to them.
Better to let AOL keep the 99% userbase than to give it to Microsoft. That's the real choice here when you say "interoperate". You know Microsoft has no interest whatsoever in "helping people communicate". They just want to steal AIM users from their monopoly position.
Before you can be punished for a crime, isn't due process required? And even if you are found to be committing a crime, since when were victims allowed to decide and administer punishment? This is seriously messed up stuff going on here, for this sort of thing even to be suggested by one of our representatives -- let alone if it actually passes!
Video games aren't "anger" any more than any other competion. Sports, Boy scouts, SCHOOL. Do we say "oh goodness, people might go crazy because they're competing with others for a goal"? Only if it happens to be a video game. What about paintball? Is paintball "harmful"? What about hunting - i'm sure they'd say hunting is even worse. In a video game it's all fake - teens are out there with REAL guns killing REAL life with them. But im clicking a mouse on some blob of pixels, and that's gonna fuck me up?
Yea, I think they got some "piracy tax" shit passed. They definetly had one on digital audio tapes (which of course, flopped big time). They tried or are trying to get on on CDs, i'm not sure how that turned out.
The idea is this:
1) people are going to use blank CDs to copy music, potentially for copying copyrighted works.
2) The RIAA is greedy and thinks every person who uses CDRs for any reason should be charged a piracy tax on CDRs that goes straight to the RIAA (never mind that cds can be used to copy ANYONE's copyrighted works, not just the RIAA's)
3) so then everyone, even a company using CDRs to make regular backups of their computers, or people using them for legitimate fair use purposes such as mix cds and mp3-cds(mp3s you own) are judged guilty of piracy and being fined for it.
Super.
The first cd was great. Pinkerton was survivable floating off the first album, but wasn't near as good. The rest have sucked. Amen.
I'll have to disagree on the Grateful Dead point. My girlfriend is a hippie, her parents are hippie, etc. It seems to me that the only people who appreciate the live recordings are the people who already like the band enough and listen to the band enough that they own several (often all) of a band's albums. I never would have bought Severe Tire Damage by TMBG except that I own all their other albums. I also recently downloaded over 4gigs of live tracks and similar from TMBG. They all sound like crap compared to the albums. But I still enjoy them because I've heard the pre-recorded stuff a bazillion times. If I had tried listening to the 4 gigs of crap BEFORE buying TMBG albums, I never would have bought an album, but I also would have deleted the 4 gigs, because I would've thought the band SUCKED.
That's my opinion anyhow. All the live stuff I have, I only have because I love the band. And all the live stuff i've downloaded from band's I don't know well(ie: purchased an album or two already) I end up trashing.
Concerning the file selector: it would indeed help if it had the things you mentioned. HOWEVER, I think mozilla's file selector is about ten million times better than gnome or KDE's. Mozilla's is simple, compact, stretchable. Ever tried dealing with MP3s with 30-character long names using the gnome file selector? It's basically impossible. I forget which, but one of them didn't have a home button either. And the layout was about the least space-efficient possible!
They could definetly stand to take mozilla's file selector with some minor modifications/additions.
transgaming is awesome software! I've just been playing Warcraft 2 (Battle-net edition, the old one was DOS and needs Dosemu), Deus Ex, and Counter-strike. All without leaving linux, and all *with* the ability to change workspaces to talk in Gaim while I'm playing (in between rounds of counter-strike can get tedious, after all).
Isn't netscape just mozilla rebranded with a lot of AOL crap icons and crap? And nice "built-in" "features" like AIM and Winamp and Realaudio and whatever other crap that you could just as easily download seperately if you wanted it?
lol. good reply.
I totally agree. Just look at conway's life even, for an extremely simple example. Patterns come out of that which you'd never imagine looking at the simple ruleset. Now take whatever amount you agree with that, however small, and multiply it by a few billions of billions, to account for the vastly increased complexity of the human body, environment, brain, and past experiences. You get a lot of crazy shit coming out of the basic rules of "eat shit eat sleep eat shit eat sleep".
Just because it's all coming from the physical body, doesn't make it any less amazing or special.
At Virginia Tech the policy is pretty nice. Students are allowed to discuss concepts for homework and programming projects, as long as no actual code is shared.(whether copy-pasted or just letting someone else look at your code)
the idea of graded homework has always bothered me anyway, since the real point of homework is supposed to be to learn it. Quite often if a teacher has only lectured, it takes the practice problems of homework to actually teach me how to do it. So grading homework is often grading prior knowledge without ever letting a student practice what they're supposed to be learning.
99.5% of the music created today is not pop/rock crap, I don't think. But 99.5% of the music marketed by the RIAA(ie anything on the radio or tv) definetly is.
Then again you did say "manufactured", which is a good verb for the sort of music the RIAA keeps putting out.
If this thing ran off CDs and supported ogg vorbis I would buy this in an instant. As it is i'm forced to drool over the spiffy voice recognition and keep waiting...
right. AOL "opening" their network to Microsoft means the death of AOL's entire userbase. Emrace and extinguish. With MSN Messenger bundled with MS Monopoly OS, how many people are going to download AIM? And how long do you think it will be before MS has a large enough userbase to suddenly stop working with AIM? Thus forcing the few remaining AIM users to switch to MSN to keep up with their friends, and bam, AOL, the last company big enough to stand up to Microsoft, is dead.
If you think MS plans to keep sharing after others share with it...
I worked for a company basically trouble shooting peoples computers and installing programs for them, getting them signed on to the network, etc.
Every single computer I went to that I hadn't already been at, I would have to spend about 15 minutes disabling 5 or more auto running programs, removing sneaky things from the start menu and registry, killing that stupid paper clip that everyone despises, and various other things that are required in Windows to get an uptime greater than a few hours.
I think about 50% of the computers I got sent to work on were generic "windows keeps crashing on me" problems. Half the time cleaning out all the auto-run shit from the registry would fix it, but a lot of times there was even more screwy stuff going on behind the scenes causing problems. Way too often I would have to reformat+reinstall to get the system stable again.
In windows you can notice the IP traffice suggesting there's spyware, but with most windows programs you can't open up the source, comment out a few functions, and then off a patch for everyone's program to remove the spyware but retain the functionality. With open source programs this is what would happen, making any effort at spyware very short-lived.
Compelling apps? I don't know what you're talking about. I just installed Mandrakea this week for the first time, and now i'm running KDE, using Netscape Mail, Mozilla(farrr better than IE), GnomeICU for ICQ, GAIM for AIM, Star Office (like MS Office but 500$ less and no stupid freakin paper clip), Quake3 (natively), counter-strike (in WINE), XMMS (and Winamp 3.0 will run on linux natively), etc. etc...
I think Windows $$$ OS is what lacks compelling apps. Why pay for Windows shit if I can do it for free?
(which of course doesn't say much for Lindows 200$ os either)
yes .ogg comes out of beta. why? well, first time I ripped them at 128k. later I had a hard drive failure, and purchased a much larger hard drive. re-ripped at 160k. with a few months(hopefully( i'll re-rip again into .ogg, and forsee-ably I'll be ripping them several more times as bigger hard drives and better codecs are released, not to mention when I move in with my girlfriend and get to rip her entire cd collection too. ripping is a very timely process, especially if you don't have an extra computer to do it with. can't leave it going over night without being there to put new cds in...and can't do much with the computer while it's ripping. with how much I use my computer, that's a huge hassle.
personally I've ripped my cd collection twice already. and I plan to rip them again when