There's a restaurant in Vancouver (the Elbow Room) that's been doing something like this for years - if you don't eat all your food they request a donation to a food charity.
1) Most of the time people aren't doing forms submissions. It's somewhat of an obsolete concept. We use HTML for that. We use PDF when we want to print something.
It's not an obsolete concept - HTML fails if you don't have online access or if you need a wet signature. Sure you can print out the HTML form but it's going to look like crap.
2) You can have Javascript that can do form validations without giving it commands like "open this file, write to it, then execute it" Adobe's Javascript security is stuck in 1998, back in the days of ActiveX controls that could trivially to break out of the sandbox.
Adobe's security specifically doesn't allow you to do those kinds of operations unless you have access to the user's hard drive beforehand for installing trusted functions. Only really useable in a networked office/enterprise.
I too develop interactive PDF forms using LiveCycle and I'd like to add a few things.
Why PDF vs HTML forms? You don't have to be connected to the internet. Forms can be saved partially completed and be finished later (with Reader Extensions which allow saving, among other things, with Reader).
Do you need a signature with that form? HTML fails. With PDF you can print the form out, sign it and send it in - with 2d barcode technology that form can be scanned in on the receiving end and all data retrieved electronically.
Why Javascript or any other scripting ability (there's also FormCalc in PDF)? Besides error checking, math and other obvious things - interactivity. I can have the form adapt as it is filled in. Clicked a checkbox that says you're not married and don't have kids? You won't see those kinds of questions later on in the form.
This only scratches the surface - with the full suite of LiveCycle server technology you can do some pretty amazing stuff.
On a lot of support forums I see people having trouble with 64 bit Linux, I guess they figure they have a 64 bit chip so they have to install a 64 bit OS -- even though there are warnings all over the place about compatibility issues.
And when the ball inside went so did the control. I use one all the time and unless you pony up $30+ for a mousepad that works they tend to do unusual things like fly into the corner for no reason. Even then the control is not suited for gaming.
I've found that the "unusual things" like the cursor flying to the corner only happens with cheap mice. It has never happened with my MX518. And it rocks for gaming.
But digital SLRs weren't the first digital cameras. The early ones were toys, not anywhere near usable for professional photography.
Are you sure? I thought the first digital cameras were the digital backs you could get for high-end cameras like Hasselblads, etc. I thought they were pushing 10-15 megapixels (or more perhaps) when the first consumer cameras came out.
I'm a prepress geek, I used to run a drum scanner and do a lot of CMYK colour correction--I don't any more, nobody wants to pay for it (at least, in regular commercial printing), heck the customers think their low-res gifs from the internet look fine when printed out.
The RGB workflow is taking over with tagged images and RIPs (or software such as InDesign, etc.) that use the output device's profile for CMYK conversion.
Most digital printers (laser printers, etc.) get better results when you feed their RIPs RGB. Photo printers expect RGB data.
Doh! I forgot the CorelDraw Suite! I've been using Draw for years, it doubles as illustration (as powerful as Illustrator) and page layout. PhotoPaint is, arguably, an equal to Photoshop. I think the whole suite is around $500 Canadian.
Automatix2 has worked great for me on Feisty and pointed me to some software I didn't know about. It sounds like you haven't tried the new version which is quite different from the earlier versions: it doesn't do anything automatically - you pick what you want from a nice interface. Your other comments on Automatix regarding the brute force methods, etc. were done away with in earlier versions as well (which I used on 6.06 with good results).
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It still wouldn't be irony, irony is sarcasm and that is not a sarcastic statement.
There's a restaurant in Vancouver (the Elbow Room) that's been doing something like this for years - if you don't eat all your food they request a donation to a food charity.
His point is sound, but it dodges the real issue:
1) Most of the time people aren't doing forms submissions. It's somewhat of an obsolete concept. We use HTML for that. We use PDF when we want to print something.
It's not an obsolete concept - HTML fails if you don't have online access or if you need a wet signature. Sure you can print out the HTML form but it's going to look like crap.
2) You can have Javascript that can do form validations without giving it commands like "open this file, write to it, then execute it" Adobe's Javascript security is stuck in 1998, back in the days of ActiveX controls that could trivially to break out of the sandbox.
Adobe's security specifically doesn't allow you to do those kinds of operations unless you have access to the user's hard drive beforehand for installing trusted functions. Only really useable in a networked office/enterprise.
Why PDF vs HTML forms? You don't have to be connected to the internet. Forms can be saved partially completed and be finished later (with Reader Extensions which allow saving, among other things, with Reader).
Do you need a signature with that form? HTML fails. With PDF you can print the form out, sign it and send it in - with 2d barcode technology that form can be scanned in on the receiving end and all data retrieved electronically.
Why Javascript or any other scripting ability (there's also FormCalc in PDF)? Besides error checking, math and other obvious things - interactivity. I can have the form adapt as it is filled in. Clicked a checkbox that says you're not married and don't have kids? You won't see those kinds of questions later on in the form.
This only scratches the surface - with the full suite of LiveCycle server technology you can do some pretty amazing stuff.
PDF was developed as a document exchange format. It had absolutely nothing to do with prepress, that didn't come about until version 3.
http://www.adobe.com/pdf/about/history/
Wow, thanks for finding that link. Don't think I've read that story since it first came out!
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Wow, you can tell what the whole movie is going to be like from the trailer? STFU until the movie comes out.
Mod parent up!
On a lot of support forums I see people having trouble with 64 bit Linux, I guess they figure they have a 64 bit chip so they have to install a 64 bit OS -- even though there are warnings all over the place about compatibility issues.
I've found that the "unusual things" like the cursor flying to the corner only happens with cheap mice. It has never happened with my MX518. And it rocks for gaming.
I beg to differ - it is both. Which was my point to the OP who said that you still needed to buy a page layout program after buying the Corel suite.
It is a great illustration program, but it's an equally capable page layout program--It has a pretty good feature set in this regard.
Are you sure? I thought the first digital cameras were the digital backs you could get for high-end cameras like Hasselblads, etc. I thought they were pushing 10-15 megapixels (or more perhaps) when the first consumer cameras came out.
Pretty bad analogy.
I'm a prepress geek, I used to run a drum scanner and do a lot of CMYK colour correction--I don't any more, nobody wants to pay for it (at least, in regular commercial printing), heck the customers think their low-res gifs from the internet look fine when printed out.
The RGB workflow is taking over with tagged images and RIPs (or software such as InDesign, etc.) that use the output device's profile for CMYK conversion.
Most digital printers (laser printers, etc.) get better results when you feed their RIPs RGB. Photo printers expect RGB data.
So, what was your point exactly?
CMYK is becoming irrelevant in modern colour-managed workflows.
The high school I was at (around 1980) had a ][ with, I think, 16k that got upgraded to 32k. Woohoo!
I didn't get my own computer until years later, it was a Laser 128EX - wish I still had it, but I sold it to upgrade to an XT.
CorelDraw is a page layout program.
Doh! I forgot the CorelDraw Suite! I've been using Draw for years, it doubles as illustration (as powerful as Illustrator) and page layout. PhotoPaint is, arguably, an equal to Photoshop. I think the whole suite is around $500 Canadian.
Serif has some good stuff www.serif.com and some cheaper/free stuff (mostly older versions I think) via www.freeserifsoftware.com
Worked for Oliver North.
Automatix2 has worked great for me on Feisty and pointed me to some software I didn't know about. It sounds like you haven't tried the new version which is quite different from the earlier versions: it doesn't do anything automatically - you pick what you want from a nice interface. Your other comments on Automatix regarding the brute force methods, etc. were done away with in earlier versions as well (which I used on 6.06 with good results).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Descent_(computer_gam e)
The AI in Descent was quite good. The bots would use flanking, ambush and pursuit tactics.
What the consumer wants? More likely what the consumer is offered.
I don't recall being asked by anyone. ;)
The worst possible thing you could do is stay home.
Why do you despise the Democrats when it's the Republicans that are fucking up your country?
Grab the Gmail File Space extension for Firefox. http://www.rjonna.com/ext/gspace.php
I'm pretty sure it works with all platforms