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Matt Smith Leaving Doctor Who Already?

bowman9991 sent in a disappointing rumor saying "Ironically Matt Smith, the youngest Doctor Who ever, apparently wants to retire early. An unconfirmed report suggests Smith would like to try his hand at Hollywood films after the end of his second season as the Doctor. Smith is currently filming this year's Doctor Who Christmas special with Karen Gillan, who plays his companion Amy Pond, and opera star Katherine Jenkins. After the Christmas special he goes straight into production on a new Doctor Who series set to air next year." I've tremendously enjoyed the Smith/Gillan combo, personally.

423 comments

  1. Time to add a little crazy into that character by elrous0 · · Score: 3, Funny

    I hear Mel Gibson is available.

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    1. Re:Time to add a little crazy into that character by DoofusOfDeath · · Score: 4, Funny

      I hear Mel Gibson is available.

      Not sure they're looking to replace the Daleks.

    2. Re:Time to add a little crazy into that character by Ukab+the+Great · · Score: 4, Insightful

      He'd make a amazing Davros.

    3. Re:Time to add a little crazy into that character by Stick32 · · Score: 1

      and just like the Doctor, Mel "NEEDS A WOMAN!!"

    4. Re:Time to add a little crazy into that character by h4rm0ny · · Score: 1


      Firstly, I love that you've been modded up +3 Insightful already for this. Secondly, I love that you are right!

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    5. Re:Time to add a little crazy into that character by TaggartAleslayer · · Score: 1

      You really need to move out of your mom's place.

    6. Re:Time to add a little crazy into that character by Kagato · · Score: 1

      Davros + Antisemitism = ??

    7. Re:Time to add a little crazy into that character by TheWanderingHermit · · Score: 5, Informative

      It doesn't matter anyway. Slashdot was in such a hurry to get a headline people would react to, they didn't do their fact checking. He's not leaving:

      http://www.digitalspy.com/cult/s7/doctor-who/news/a246624/gillan-matt-smith-isnt-leaving-who.html

    8. Re:Time to add a little crazy into that character by the+phantom · · Score: 1

      Given that Nation's original Daleks were, more or less, based on the Nazis, an antisemitic leader of the Daleks might be appropriate. ;)

    9. Re:Time to add a little crazy into that character by h4rm0ny · · Score: 5, Funny


      Yeah, but the Daleks already hate everybody. The only way you could make them anti-semitic would be to make them nicer to everyone else.

      "BE-FORE WE EXTERMINATE YOU ALL, EVERY-ONE WILL GET A CUP OF TEAAA. EXCEPT FOR MIS-TERRR GOLDSTEIN! GOLDSTEIN GETS NO TEAA!"

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    10. Re:Time to add a little crazy into that character by TangoMargarine · · Score: 1

      There's a difference between crazy and insane. The Doctor is already crazy.

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    11. Re:Time to add a little crazy into that character by TheABomb · · Score: 1

      "Reports of my regeneration have been greatly exaggerated."

      There, I fixed the headline for you.

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    12. Re:Time to add a little crazy into that character by ShieldW0lf · · Score: 1

      The Daleks believe they are the chosen people created by their God, Davros, and they eventually try to kill everyone.

      Pretending that one is a consequence of the other is anti-semitic, isn't it?

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    13. Re:Time to add a little crazy into that character by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Is Obama anti-Semite because he has said more against Jews and Israel than Mel ever has (and Obama wasn't even drunk when he says it)

    14. Re:Time to add a little crazy into that character by akayani · · Score: 1

      You see Kevin Costner investing in centrifuges that are being used to assist in oil clean ups in the gulf. So Mel thought he should do something for the environment too, give his PR issues, so he is investing in wind machines. No time for Dr Whoing.

    15. Re:Time to add a little crazy into that character by uberchicken · · Score: 1

      if(allInAgreement) {splitHairs();} else {reconcileViewpoints();}

      OYSFY

    16. Re:Time to add a little crazy into that character by TangoMargarine · · Score: 1

      Say what? Acronymn Finder returns 0 results.

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    17. Re:Time to add a little crazy into that character by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You must be new to Slashdot. Why would we want to waste time checking facts?

    18. Re:Time to add a little crazy into that character by uberchicken · · Score: 1

      Optimized Your Sig For You :-)

    19. Re:Time to add a little crazy into that character by commodore64_love · · Score: 1

      Thank God.

      It's ridiculous the way these actors are using the TV show as a jumping board. In the Old Doctor Who the shortest run was three years, and only because the BBC rather stupidly fired him (doctor #6). He would have loved to stay longer. In contrast the New Doctor Who has actors that come in for 1 year, 2 years (plus some specials), and 2 years for the current young doctor.

      What we need is an actor who will stay for a long time, such as 5 years for Doctor #3 and 7 years for Doctor #4. Otherwise the Good Doctor will run out of generations (13 - aka the Valyard Doctor).

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    20. Re:Time to add a little crazy into that character by TheWanderingHermit · · Score: 1

      Actually, in the new one, there wasn't a 3 year Doctor. David Tennant did 3 years (1 with Rose, 1 with Martha, and 1 with Donna), then did the specials.

      Also, it was known (to them) from the start that Ecclestein was going to only do 1 season, so they had planned that from the start and kept it secret (they wanted the regeneration to be a surprise).

      As to 13 regenerations, do you really think they're going to let that end the series? It's been stated a Timelord could theoretically live forever. I'm sure they'll find an interesting way to make surviving #13 a good story. (There's also debate whether they mean 13 regeneration events or only 13 Doctors.)

      While we see him (9th Doctor) looking at his face as if it were new to him early on, there are many pictures of him that show up in the search later that indicate he's been around a good while, so it's possible they considered it to be the last of the old Doctors.

    21. Re:Time to add a little crazy into that character by TheWanderingHermit · · Score: 1

      Oh, also (and this got clipped in my previous reply), do you really think they'll let a limit like that kill the show if it's doing well? Maybe they'll say it was more a Timelord law than a physical limit. I'm sure they could make a big deal about it and create an interesting story on how he beats that limit.

      I've also seen disagreements about if that means that he can only have 13 versions of himself or go through 13 regenerations. If the latter, he could appear as 14 different versions, since his first version was not from a regeneration.

    22. Re:Time to add a little crazy into that character by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They could just add some dialogue for the Daleks, something along the lines of "We will burn down your home, but first you are going to blow us. EX-TER-MIN-ATE!"

    23. Re:Time to add a little crazy into that character by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Is Obama anti-Semite because he has said more against Jews and Israel than Mel ever has (and Obama wasn't even drunk when he says it)

      Disagreeing with a country and there policies has nothing to do with anti-semitism. Just like you disliking Obama doesn't automatically make you a racist. Perhaps in your case, however...

    24. Re:Time to add a little crazy into that character by h4rm0ny · · Score: 1


      The Daleks are created by a great intelligence to be his chosen people who will triumph over all other races. Jews are genetically just the same as everyone else.

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  2. Christmas special? by jeffmeden · · Score: 4, Funny

    I remember the last time a sci-fi franchise I enjoyed made a Christmas Special...

    *barfs*

    Farewell, Matt Smith!

    1. Re:Christmas special? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You mean last year when Doctor Who did it? They do this every year now you know.

    2. Re:Christmas special? by Zeros · · Score: 1

      Actually all doctors had a christmas specials, they are all regular episodes with a bit of christmas in the middle... no need to learn stupid lessons.

    3. Re:Christmas special? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Doctor Who has had Christmas special every year since it came back

    4. Re:Christmas special? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      > Actually all doctors had a christmas specials

      If by "all" you mean David Tennant. He had three.

    5. Re:Christmas special? by elrous0 · · Score: 5, Funny

      That wasn't Christmas, it was Wookie Life Day--a day when we celebrate horrid musical performances and godawful comedy bits.

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    6. Re:Christmas special? by Aliotroph · · Score: 2, Informative

      William Hartnell had one: Episode 7 of "The Daleks' Master Plan" in 1965. It was a farcical addition to a way-too-long serial.

    7. Re:Christmas special? by digitalhermit · · Score: 1

      What is science fiction? At what point does it cross the line from speculative or science fiction to fantasy?

      Faster than light travel? Mind reading? Force shields? Time travel? Teleportation?

      On the face of it it's not different than magic. A wizard casts a teleport spell or a cleric calls on arcane protection for his/her deity or an evil stepfather peers into a magic mirror.. Indistinguishable from magic, indeed.

      Imagine someone from the 18th, 19th or even 20th century seeing a smart phone or a Ferarri? Heck, my standard issue Fenix flashlight would probably astound people today.

    8. Re:Christmas special? by Kjella · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Doctor Who isn't sci-fi. It's a sci-fantasy show for children.

      You're looking for the Sarah Jane Adventures. Doctor Who is more sci-comedy, at least some of the episodes like "The Empty Child"/"The Doctor Dances" or "The Time of Angels"/"Flesh and Stone" are far too dark for a children's show. But it has a lot more in common with 3rd Rock from the Sun which is a sitcom with aliens than it has to do with hard science fiction. The "rules" of travelling in space and time and between universes have been set and broken so many times over by now they can just make anything up. But the only ones who can't get a good laugh out of it are sci-fi snobs who calls everything else children's shows.

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    9. Re:Christmas special? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      BS. I hear that kind of crap all the time, but there is, surprisingly, a difference between SF and Fantasy. SF makes a claim that its special effects can be explained by forces that are present in the observable universe - electricity, gravity, etc. Fantasy generally does not make these claims: The One Ring just spontaneously made people invisible, with no discussion as to the method.

      Obviously, there are places where lines are crossed. Several 'Fantasy' series take a scientific approach to their 'magic' or other effects (I'm looking at you, Mistborn), and quite a lot (probably most) of 'SF' explains technology with handwaving (Star Wars, 'nuf said). At that level the supposed difference is usually one of setting rather than method.

    10. Re:Christmas special? by h4rm0ny · · Score: 5, Interesting

      at least some of the episodes like "The Empty Child"/"The Doctor Dances" or "The Time of Angels"/"Flesh and Stone" are far too dark for a children's show.

      Bah! Maybe American children. Hiding behind the sofa from the Doctor Who aliens is a right of passage for British children. Did you see the "Pandorica Opens" episode, where the severed cyberman helment pops open and the desicated skull pops out? The general reaction over here was: "my seven year old ran out of the room in fear - good episode!"

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    11. Re:Christmas special? by gorzek · · Score: 1

      Both fantasy and science fiction are under the umbrella of "speculative fiction." Both concern stories that are not possible in the here and now, but could be possible under different circumstances. For narrative purposes, advanced technology serves the same function as magic--they allow story events to occur that would be impossible in a story with a contemporary, realistic setting.

      What sets science fiction apart from fantasy is at least paying lip service to real science and plausible technology. This sort of thing is more in the eye of the beholder, though.

    12. Re:Christmas special? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So you don't watch Doctor Who then because they've been making them for 4 years now.

    13. Re:Christmas special? by Miseph · · Score: 1

      I believe it has to be a mind-numbing bore, with focus placed first on scientific explanations for how everything works (bonus points if you noticed the irony inherent to explaining FICTIONAL devices with real science), second on how it has changed the human race, third on the grave implications this has on modern society, and lastly (because other things might come up that also trump this) telling an interesting and compelling story.

      At least, that's the idea I've seen most often floated by the pseudo-literati here on Slashdot.

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    14. Re:Christmas special? by Tetsujin · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Doctor Who isn't sci-fi. It's a sci-fantasy show for children.

      Whatever the fuck it is, I like it.

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    15. Re:Christmas special? by Tetsujin · · Score: 1

      at least some of the episodes like "The Empty Child"/"The Doctor Dances" or "The Time of Angels"/"Flesh and Stone" are far too dark for a children's show.

      Bah! Maybe American children. Hiding behind the sofa from the Doctor Who aliens is a right of passage for British children.

      That's "rite of passage"...

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    16. Re:Christmas special? by h4rm0ny · · Score: 1


      Sorry. Whenever I start typing about the Cybermen, my hands start to shake. I don't know why, but it's nothing to do with seeing Colin Baker trying to stop them from implanting circuitry in his friend's skull when I was six.

      Now if you'll excuse me, I'll be behind the sofa.

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    17. Re:Christmas special? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You mean like Star Wars, Star Trek, and countless other play dress up and hop around the galaxy rote tele-dramas. There have been a few sci-fi shows geared to adults exclusively notably the revamped Battlestar Galactica, its prequel Caprica, Firefly and a few others too shitty to mention. It may appeal to kids, but we were all kids at one point and Doctor Who adds a bit of something for everyone...except maybe the reclusive, snooty basement monsters brooding in self-important, dark escapism.

    18. Re:Christmas special? by AnAdventurer · · Score: 1

      My 3 year old LOVES Dr who.

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    19. Re:Christmas special? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      So many Xmas specials that they couldn't help going meta about it. David Tennant Dr. Who shows up in London on Xmas, and there's almost no one in the streets. When he manages to locate someone and asks why, the guy says there's been so many batshit crazy things happening on Xmas lately people have decided to spend it at home with the doors locked, better safe than sorry.

    20. Re:Christmas special? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm 16 and that episode took me several tries to watch the whole way through.

    21. Re:Christmas special? by BrokenHalo · · Score: 1

      So you don't watch Doctor Who then because they've been making them for 4 years now.

      WTF? Try 47 years.

    22. Re:Christmas special? by asdf7890 · · Score: 1

      they are all regular episodes with a bit of christmas in the middle...

      As well as the "bit of Christmas" they have their toung in their cheek a bit more than the normal episodes - aiming to be a stand-alone-ish specacle with a few "we know we are being daft" nods. Things like the spaceship hurtling towards Buck Palace, the silly giant cyber-thingy stomping around, and the cat-burgler character.

    23. Re:Christmas special? by xouumalperxe · · Score: 1

      and quite a lot (probably most) of 'SF' explains technology with handwaving (Star Wars, 'nuf said

      What with the 'mystical knights' side of the Jedi, I'd put Star Wars squarely and unapologetically in the "Fantasy/Scifi crossover" realm, as opposed to Star Trek where stuff that we today consider physically impossible are handwaved, or Arthur C Clarke-style "Hard scifi".

    24. Re:Christmas special? by Sethumme · · Score: 1

      Some people argue that science fiction, apart from being set in some techno-future, is (or at least should be) about addressing timeless human philosophical conflicts and ethical challenges, such as the issues related to ruling over other people via technological superiority, or the extent to which society/government can/should mold/control human's physical traits, behaviors, thoughts, or very lives. For the most part, these types of Sci-fi stories mainly use fictional technology to remove the tedious technicalities that something can't yet be done, and instead jump right into whether something should be done. In contrast, your run-of-the-mill fantasy is about adventure and heroism. All engaging fiction needs some sort of plot-advancing "adventure," but wonder of exploration is more often tied with fantasy adventure then sci-fi conflict.

    25. Re:Christmas special? by Rakishi · · Score: 1

      So you don't like anything but soft science fiction? Your point being? No, seriously, you come off as hilariously defensive. It's as if having a smaller e-penis on slashdot somehow angers and annoys you greatly.

    26. Re:Christmas special? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What ever you do, don't blink.

    27. Re:Christmas special? by nine-times · · Score: 4, Informative

      Doctor who always has Christmas specials... or at least for the past several years. You just might not have realized it if you're in the US, because they tend to get played as season premieres. If you remember...

      • "The Christmas Invasion" - First David Tennant episode, aliens invade on Christmas
      • "The Runaway Bride" - Introduction to Donna Noble
      • "Voyage of the Damned" - Spaceship Titanic, Kylie Minogue appears
      • "The Next Doctor" - The Doctor runs into what appears to be a future version of himself, fights the Cybermen in the past
      • "The End of Time" - Last David Tennant episode

      All of these were Christmas specials. Many of them explicitly took place on Christmas, though I don't remember if they all do.

    28. Re:Christmas special? by Tetsujin · · Score: 1

      Sorry. Whenever I start typing about the Cybermen, my hands start to shake. I don't know why, but it's nothing to do with seeing Colin Baker trying to stop them from implanting circuitry in his friend's skull when I was six.

      Heh, nice. Sometimes I feel like I really missed out by not watching Doctor Who when I was a kid (they ran it on public television in the US, apparently - I could have seen the sixth and seventh doctor's adventures as they came out...)

      Other times, I feel like I watched quite enough TV as a kid and my life wouldn't have been significantly improved had I watched more. :)

      Ever watched "The Tenth Planet"? The Cybermen are so goofy in their first appearance, but it's great stuff...

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    29. Re:Christmas special? by Walkingshark · · Score: 1

      They do A Dr. Who Christmas special every year. They're usually pretty fun.

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    30. Re:Christmas special? by nine-times · · Score: 1

      But it has a lot more in common with 3rd Rock from the Sun

      I don't really think that's a fair comparison. I'd place Doctor Who closer to Star Trek. The science can be pretty inconsistent and you get nonsense equivalent to realigning dilitium crystals or reconfiguring the deflector array to achieve magical results. The science isn't sound, but it is used as a metaphor to pose genuine moral/ethical problems.

      It is very funny sometimes, but it's not quite a comedy.

      As far as being for children, I wouldn't say that it's because it's too dark. It's not gory or generally disturbing in a way that children can't handle. I'd sooner say it's not made for children because kids won't really get the jokes. But still, I think it probably is good for children. It's generally interesting and imaginative and values intelligence and cleverness (as opposed to Superman, for example, which tends to value brute strength). I watched Doctor Who as a kid, and if I had kids I'd watch the new episodes with them.

    31. Re:Christmas special? by Miseph · · Score: 1

      No, I like quality literature. I couldn't care less about soft sci-fi vs. hard sci-fi, except where one is actually better written than the other.

      I also refuse to adjust the standard definition of "sci-fi" to appease intellectual elitists more interested in reading things that nobody else even wants to than in having a meaningful definition for the genre. Differentiating between hard and soft sci-fi is fine, if people really want to make the effort... insisting that some sci-fi is "fantasy" because it doesn't go into sufficient depth on the subject of how their anti-gravity field generator works is snobbery, and enforcement of personal preference onto others.

      I would feel much the same way if people who read romance novels tried to exclude things from that genre based on whether or not the love scenes were appropriately graphic to suit their tastes.

      Interesting projection though, would you like to talk about it?

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    32. Re:Christmas special? by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      Maybe it's a right to a rite of passage?

    33. Re:Christmas special? by digitalhermit · · Score: 1

      BS. I hear that kind of crap all the time, but there is, surprisingly, a difference between SF and Fantasy.

      Wow, a mite touchy there?? Relax, just a question I'm posing...

      Yes, there is clearly a difference between pure science fiction and fantasy, but there's no hard distinction between the two. At one end there is fiction that is possible with what we know today. Maybe it's a colony on the moon (with magnetic boots) or "artificial gravity" on a space station by building on the inside of a great spinning wheel.

      But if you consider science fiction to be things only present in the observable universe then we must put FTL travel, warp drive, phasers squarely in the realm of fantasy. E.g., without considering the accuracy of the science Counselor Troi's psychic ability indeed becomes SF rather than fantasy. Do we also discount Jules Verne because the science is not valid? How about Twain, Niven, Asimov? All of them have explained things with inaccurate science, even allowing for the current scientific knowledge at the time.

      I would go far as to say that a pure fantasy novel, if the fantasy world is consistent, is closer to pure science fiction than what many would consider hard science fiction if the latter does not explain the SF devices.

    34. Re:Christmas special? by Gilmoure · · Score: 1

      Heh. Daughter (9 years old) was scared out of room by DW The Empty Child episode, when she was 6 (go figure) but since giving it another chance last year, she now knows it's a like a roller coaster ride; it'll be a bit scary but things will work out in the end.

      Blink has now become a fav episode for her.

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    35. Re:Christmas special? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Speaking as a recovering American child, I can't even remember when I first started watching, but I know I was hiding behind the sofa from shag carpets shambling after Tom Baker by the time I was three (at least I _think_ that's what they were - it was hard to tell sometimes, through all the static...)

      Even so, "Silence In The Library" seriously creeped me out - as a child I would've been scared of my own shadow (literally) for years to come.

    36. Re:Christmas special? by Rakishi · · Score: 1

      You're the one whose making a meaningless distinction, it's all incomplete classifications in the end. Some authors prefer "speculative fiction" to "science fiction" because they dislike the later term. You seem to somehow be associating "fantasy" with "low quality" and not wanting whatever you like to be called it.

      They call it fantasy because that's what it basically is. The "science" part is missing except as a plot element so divorced with reality it may as well be "magical artifacts" instead. Doesn't make it inherently better or worse but just different. All semantics in the end. You're trying to force your own definition on them as much as they are trying to force it on you.

      No, I like quality literature. I couldn't care less about soft sci-fi vs. hard sci-fi, except where one is actually better written than the other.

      Quality is subjective and you can judge a work in many different ways. That you cannot apparently comprehend this means there's no point in me trying to explain it to you since you're either too ignorant or self-centered. Likewise, that you cannot understand why authors write certain books in a certain way shows your ignorance of writing.

    37. Re:Christmas special? by digitalhermit · · Score: 1

      What sets science fiction apart from fantasy is at least paying lip service to real science and plausible technology. This sort of thing is more in the eye of the beholder, though.

      No doubt, thus the original question :)

      Someone once wrote that just about all science fiction is possible if we had the ability to manipulate mind-bogglingly vast amounts of energy. Allow this and yes, that world would have wizards.

    38. Re:Christmas special? by skids · · Score: 1

      Yeah, there's Science Fiction, and there's Science Fantasy, and then there's just
      re-skinned, re-hashed, dumbed-down mad-libbed junk that isn't even worthy of being
      called Science Fantasy.

      Maybe I was just younger, but the hand-waving in the latest Doctor Who has reached
      such an extent it is hard to watch these days. It was always more Science Fantasy
      than Science Fiction, but... well, for example, the sonic screwdriver used to do
      basically one thing -- shake stuff till it found a resonant frequency and make it fall
      apart. At most, it got passed over a circuit board for some hand-work or used as a
      power supply. These days it's the generic "get us out of this plot problem" device
      that seems to magically know exactly what to do all on it's own. Often without even
      aiming it.

      Maybe they should start a new spin-off series based on the adventures of the
      sonic screwdriver. Couldn't be worse than that Sara Jane thing.

      Anyway, the only thing saving the series right now is the River Song episodes
      with the promise of long, interesting plot arc with actual character development,
      not that I have my hopes up that any such thing will actually happen.

    39. Re:Christmas special? by vague+disclaimer · · Score: 1
      The rules are bendy, but that has always been the way with Who.

      Perhaps surprisingly the theme, rather than the mechanics, has been more important on many, many occasions. I rate The Girl in the Fireplace alongside any episode of any drama for its exploration of loneliness and the pain of separation (totally age appropriate, not patronising and in no way "I've learned a valuable lesson today" preachy). And in this past season Vincent and the Doctor, with its blind and invisible monster, is as candid and sensitive look at depression and mental illness as you will find - again, totally age appropriate, yet unflinching with no false happy ending.

      I am a SciFi geek of many, many years standing (and generally dislike fantasy), but I do get impatient with fans who latch onto the Sci bit and forget that if it is not good fiction it is not good science fiction.

    40. Re:Christmas special? by h4rm0ny · · Score: 1

      Ever watched "The Tenth Planet"? The Cybermen are so goofy in their first appearance, but it's great stuff...

      Goofy, yes. And yet there's something very wonderful about those early episodes. My favourite Doctors are Troughton, Smith and Tennant in that order. An honourable mention for Pertwee. Those early Who episodes never really treat you as an idiot. And it doesn't matter that the little robots are clearly short people in black boxes (Quarks, I'm looking at you), because you soon forget this and enjoy the story. In a lot of ways, Matt Smith is the closet Doctor to Patrick Troughton there's been. He's has the same capacity to lose track of what he's doing sometimes. When Troughton says: "The planet will be safe now. The explosion will be confined to a small volcanic eruption that just consumes the island", and Jaimie replies "But Doctor, we're on the island." Well, it's the sort of thing you can almost see Eleven doing as well. He's got some of the same inherent gentleness that wasn't really part of Ten's psychological make-up.

      Sorry - as you can tell, big Who fan. :) I really, really do hope Matt stays around for more than a couple of seasons.

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    41. Re:Christmas special? by asdf7890 · · Score: 4, Funny

      at least some of the episodes like "The Empty Child"/"The Doctor Dances" or "The Time of Angels"/"Flesh and Stone" are far too dark for a children's show.

      Bah! Maybe American children. Hiding behind the sofa from the Doctor Who aliens is a right of passage for British children. Did you see the "Pandorica Opens" episode, where the severed cyberman helment pops open and the desicated skull pops out? The general reaction over here was: "my seven year old ran out of the room in fear - good episode!"

      A great example of this is Blink, the episode that introduced the weeping angles. My brother runs a gift shop (one of the Past Times chain) and at the time they were stocking some faux-porcelain statues that out of the corner of your eye did not look at all dissimilar. Kids would blunder in along with their parents, see these, go silent, and not take their eyes off them until they'd left the shop. Brilliant.

    42. Re:Christmas special? by Blakey+Rat · · Score: 1

      But to be fair, many of them really, really suck too. Especially Runaway Bride (worst monster in Who by far), The Next Doctor (resurrecting the Robot Monster alien design, then adding in giant robots for no reason).

      I thought The Christmas Invasion was quite good.

    43. Re:Christmas special? by Walt+Dismal · · Score: 1

      To be honest, the acting by Matt Smith as Doctor Who invokes images of Pierce Brosnan as James Bond.

    44. Re:Christmas special? by Blakey+Rat · · Score: 2, Interesting

      What the hell is wrong with British people? It's just a TV show.

    45. Re:Christmas special? by nine-times · · Score: 1

      We could argue about best/worst episodes, and no, I wasn't a big fan of "The Next Doctor". Still, I don't think those episodes are markably worse than some other "normal" episodes.

    46. Re:Christmas special? by hesiod · · Score: 2, Funny

      Runaway Bride (worst monster in Who by far)

      I didn't like Donna Noble either, but "monster" may be a bit harsh.

    47. Re:Christmas special? by monkeythug · · Score: 1

      Yes, all these episodes were both set at Christmas and broadcast over the Christmas period in the UK (stretching into the New Year for the second part of "End of Time")

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    48. Re:Christmas special? by Zot+Quixote · · Score: 0

      Pretty much right on all accounts. To be fair, Moffat has enough interesting things happening that the hand waving is tolerable for me, but its still pretty juvenile. I know, I know, target audience. But...we could aspire to more. It'd be nice if there were some actual hard science fiction shows on television. And it'd be nice if, given that Doctor Who can't possibly be one now, it at least incorporated some of those elements, stopped introducing new techno-elements and gave you a reason to watch.

      Also, exploring history can be that reason. I'm having trouble articulating what I think the right way to do that is, but I would say it was achieved in 'Vincent and the Doctor' but not in 'Vampires of Venice'.

      Anyways, if Smith does leave, an older more serious actor might be interesting. Just a thought.

    49. Re:Christmas special? by nine-times · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I think they're broadcast on BBC US around Christmas too, but Doctor Who is also shown on SyFy (or at least used to be shown on the SciFi channel), and I believe they were just shown as the season premiere each year, or maybe not shown at all. I don't really remember.

    50. Re:Christmas special? by red_pill1987 · · Score: 0

      at six or seven? proberbly the same as everyone else. and have you seen blink? moffat tacked on 30 or 40 seconds at the end witch is just "be paranoid of statutes"

    51. Re:Christmas special? by networkBoy · · Score: 1

      Ditto...
      For me as a kid the scariest episode was Tom Baker and the antimatter monsters in the stones (don't remember the episode name).
      Took me a while on that one. Recently (a couple years ago) re-watched it. Not so scary any more :)

      On another note, my kids and wife love the new Doctor Who, but won't watch the old one because it's too campy.

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    52. Re:Christmas special? by RyuuzakiTetsuya · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Steven Moffat is a great writer.

      I am an adult, atheist skeptic and I'm largely unphased by spooks, ghouls, ghosts, and other nonsense. *I* was hiding behind the fucking couch. He found that little fear of creepy shit button in my brain and kept pressing it.

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    53. Re:Christmas special? by thrawn_aj · · Score: 1

      The One Ring just spontaneously made people invisible, with no discussion as to the method.

      Not to go off on a tangent here (well, I guess I am), but the whole invisibility shtick always seemed like a bit of a non sequitur to me. That would be akin to (bizarro universe's) George Lucas writing in the ultimate lightsaber with astonishing powers (like being able to instantly disable any other lightsaber on contact) and then saying - 'O btw, when turned off it can be used as a dildo by Padme'. Ya know? Just ... weird.

    54. Re:Christmas special? by TENTH+SHOW+JAM · · Score: 1

      I'm with you on this one, but bow ties need to go the way of the fez.

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    55. Re:Christmas special? by thrawn_aj · · Score: 1

      I completely agree. Time was (in my teen years) that I was one of these pricks who sneered at so-called soft SF and championed the cause of hard SF (of the Asimov, Clarke, Niven, Baxter kind). The problem is that the softness or hardness of SF (beyond the obvious Flash Gordon-esque stuff or the irritating "Bug" SF subgenre) depends entirely on the reader's level of scientific knowledge. As a result, once I went through grad courses in Physics, the so-called hard-SF started becoming really old (the same old shit - a more sophisticated version of Star Trek's technobabble). Anyway, today I try to be a lot more diverse about my SF menu. The Doctor Who universe is a sort of loving homage to SF, mostly harmless fun (and really good fun at that) but sometimes coming up with some charming gems of episodes that make me really think.

      To end on point, the whole idea of "fantasy SF" is plain ridiculous. To me, at this point in my life, (much like you), when quality "hard-SF" (that's also entertaining - see, I no longer learn any S from hard-SF since I have the actual S on hand) is rare, I've developed a healthy respect for the softer genres, especially sociopolitical SF (a la L.M.Bujold or a very small number of other Baen authors - none of whom I'd call hard-SF writers, but who can write QUALITY literature. Well, David Weber excepted - his Honorverse is definitely hard SF, in addition to the sociopolitical stuff. It is extraordinarily rare that authors can do both so masterfully but I digress).

      In other words, I'm at the point where a lack of explanation about some things actually enhances the verisimilitude in the story because it is so easy to spot obvious flaws (or spectacular versions of hand-waving) in convoluted physics/engineering explanations one sees in hard-hard-SF (H2SF?) works these days. The people who insist on making these distinctions should understand that the hard sciences are so-called precisely because its practitioners do not labor under the delusion that to name something is to understand it. "Explaining" the working of a fictional "anti-gravity" generator using some meaningless technobabble lifted from some science blog (that was further based on some obscure Arxiv article from hep-th or /gr-qc) is a remarkably futile (not to mention highly amusing) endeavor. The takeaway message is this - The good SF author knows when NOT to try to explain too much (and risk ruining the illusion). The good Doctor (you know which one) knew this intimately - reading his works made you believe that Psychohistory was a real science - there's a rare skill in weaving such a realistic illusion. Stephen King is another person who has that skill (even more so because he takes absolute absurdities and makes terrifyingly real worlds out of them).

    56. Re:Christmas special? by thrawn_aj · · Score: 1

      But it has a lot more in common with 3rd Rock from the Sun which is a sitcom with aliens than it has to do with hard science fiction.

      I would go further than that and compare Doctor Who to something like Eureka - an affectionate homage to the golden age of SF (without trying to be dead serious all the time and being able to laugh at itself). IMHO 3rd rock was just plain silly - sorta the Seinfeld of SF. Doctor Who is more like Terry Pratchett or Doug Adams, with some episodes being remarkably profound. I've only watched them all once so I don't recall episode names, but the one where the entire planet is stuck in traffic comes to mind. Several more but my memory sux :{

      It still boggles the mind how they manage to make something that looks so ridiculous (the Daleks) take on a menace that is absolutely terrifying at times =). Sheer genius.

      More than anything (at this point I've completely forgotten what I was replying to), Doctor Who keeps alive the swashbuckling sense of adventure that we got from SF movies in the 80's and early 90's (the Doctor is the closest thing to Han Solo we have today ;) To say that it's just a kids' show is to do it a great injustice.

    57. Re:Christmas special? by crafty.munchkin · · Score: 1

      Couldn't be worse than that Sara Jane thing.

      You do realise that the Sarah Jane Adventures is a show with a target audience of primary school children? My kids love it, and unlike the full episodes of Dr Who, it doesn't give my youngest child nightmares.

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    58. Re:Christmas special? by thrawn_aj · · Score: 1

      YESH! I'm 28 and I nearly wet myself during that one =]. Reminded me vividly of the Stephen King story "The Sun Dog". Same kind of incremental menace as the story progresses ...

    59. Re:Christmas special? by SvnLyrBrto · · Score: 1

      Probably the same thing that's wrong with Americans who can recite Shakespeare in the original Klingon.

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    60. Re:Christmas special? by Miseph · · Score: 1

      "They call it fantasy because that's what it basically is. The "science" part is missing except as a plot element so divorced with reality it may as well be "magical artifacts" instead. Doesn't make it inherently better or worse but just different. All semantics in the end. You're trying to force your own definition on them as much as they are trying to force it on you."

      I agree, there is nothing inherently wrong with hard sci-fi at all, a lot of it is in fact quite good, but it isn't the only thing that can be called sci-fi. I suppose that if you want to call the definition in use by the vast majority of literary scholars, librarians, critics, writers and readers "my" definition, you may, and I suppose that in a sense I am shoving it down other people's throats... but the whole thing comes off a little silly, now doesn't it?

      "Quality is subjective and you can judge a work in many different ways. That you cannot apparently comprehend this means there's no point in me trying to explain it to you since you're either too ignorant or self-centered. Likewise, that you cannot understand why authors write certain books in a certain way shows your ignorance of writing."

      What are you talking about? What have I said to imply that quality is universally agreed upon? You've certainly oversimplified it a bit, but people form their own opinions on things all the time. My point is simply that sci-fi, as a genre, includes both hard sci-fi and soft sci-fi; it is, in many ways, a descriptor of tone and setting far more than a guarantee of scientific relevance.

      I'm terribly sorry if my snarking over the aggressive and poorly conceived idea to arbitrarily redefine a long established literary genre term to meet a minority of readers' preference regarding the amount and detail of fictional science included in a story threw you off, or struck a raw nerve. Perhaps you missed the joke?

      Again, your projection raises some interesting questions... would you like to talk about it?

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    61. Re:Christmas special? by deniable · · Score: 1

      He meant Christmas specials, not Who in general. Personally, I like them. It's the BBC saying Merry Christmas.

    62. Re:Christmas special? by RobbieCrash · · Score: 1

      Clearly, you're not a Doctor Who fan.

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    63. Re:Christmas special? by ShieldW0lf · · Score: 1

      Imagine if you had a $10,000,000.00 budget for modern, existing technology. Then, imagine that each person on earth had access to similar technology on a casual basis, and write a story in and about the culture that co-exists with this.

      Is it science fiction?

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    64. Re:Christmas special? by JackieBrown · · Score: 1

      The cat burgler episode - Planet of the Dead - was an Easter special (and a crappy one at that.)

    65. Re:Christmas special? by h4rm0ny · · Score: 1

      But to be fair, many of them really, really suck too. Especially Runaway Bride (worst monster in Who by far), The Next Doctor (resurrecting the Robot Monster alien design, then adding in giant robots for no reason).

      I agree with the giant Cyberking. So bad that Moffat actually needed to ret-conn it out of existence. But The Runaway Bride was one of my favourite episodes. Aside from Donna being a great change after a whole season of Martha's simpering ("this friend of yours, just before she left, did she slap you?"), I thought the actress playing the Racnoss was fantastic. She was utterly relishing that role and was hillarious and horrible all at the same time. Of course, you feel differently and that doesn't affect me. I'm just continuously amazed by how differently people can perceive the same episode. What was it that turned you off from Runaway Bride? The TARDIS - car chase alone had me laughing out loud and I tend to prefer the more serious Doctor Who ones.

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    66. Re:Christmas special? by thrawn_aj · · Score: 1

      You miss the point entirely. Both GP and I were commenting on the fact that you reach a point in your reading life when genre labels become amusing playthings and getting hold of quality fiction period becomes difficult enough that its precise categorization becomes rather irrelevant. And even when I had the luxury of believing that it was relevant, the precise distinction between soft and hard SF was usually quite blurred for the reasons I explained above. Remember that there was a time when SF was not considered serious literature. There are still reactionary fools who believe this to be the case. However, our reaction to this (as connoisseurs of the genre) should not be to beg the literati to please accept us into their domain but to simply keep creating (for the gifted) and consuming (for the rest of us) in what is the most imaginative and frenetic and creative literary subfield in a space that is otherwise running out of new ideas. The wider problem has now come to subgenres of SF, with squabbling about hard and soft SF. You see where this going?

      Now, given all that, the purpose of your specific question eludes me. What do you mean by me "having a $10M budget for modern, existing tech"? In any case, whether your example is SF or not would have nothing to do with the absolute level of tech of the fictional world since the question is always whether the tech is advanced or speculative compared to our own (the 'our' being whoever is contemplating this categorization). So, for instance, most of Jules Verne would no longer be SF, since we have all the tech (and more) that is described in his work. Wells' The invisible man would still be SF since we don't have that yet. So, you see, even the SF label sort of evolves in time - and why not? There is absolutely no reason for me to worship a classic if it is no longer wondrous to me, at this point of time (I do so anyway out of nostalgia or charity, but I do not believe that we are obliged to do so). Of course, I would be rather foolish for insisting on this categorization because it doesn't matter in the slightest. Apart from the entertainment value of a good story (that never goes out of date), any other importance of SF (as an educational medium or an inspiration for budding scientists for example) is purely contextual.

      I always thought that THAT was the chief strength of SF - that it did not create unnecessary idols of the past whose visions must be held in awe forever. Rather those wonders came with expiry dates - the precise times when reality would surpass their imaginations (and the authors would be the first to rejoice at that - ONLY IN SF).

      In fact, that's probably the only definition of an SF writer that I would not dismiss instantly - someone who would want the world to reach and then make obsolete, what must have been the grandest leap of the imagination for him/her. Anyway, this was too much rambling even for me and for that I apologize. I hope that made some sense given its resemblance to a water sprinkler.

    67. Re:Christmas special? by mcvos · · Score: 1

      And in this past season Vincent and the Doctor, with its blind and invisible monster, is as candid and sensitive look at depression and mental illness as you will find - again, totally age appropriate, yet unflinching with no false happy ending.

      No false happy ending? He cheered Vincent up by showing him how famous and well-respected he'd become!

      (I admit I've always wanted to do the same thing with Beethoven. Well, maybe not so much show him how famous he'd become, but let him listen to all the music that's been made after him, and then watch what he'd do with that. Alas, I don't have a time machine.)

    68. Re:Christmas special? by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      I thought it was aimed at blokes who like MILFs and/or remember her from the 1970s.

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    69. Re:Christmas special? by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      A great example of this is Blink, the episode that introduced the weeping angles.

      That was acute comment. But you might be right, and if it really was about dark age Germanic tribesmen then I'm just being obtuse.

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    70. Re:Christmas special? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What the hell is wrong with American people? Superbowl is just a game

    71. Re:Christmas special? by vague+disclaimer · · Score: 1
      He cheered Vincent up by showing him how famous and well-respected he'd become!

      Er, yes. And then....?

    72. Re:Christmas special? by mcvos · · Score: 1

      I forgot. He didn't still cut off his ear, did he?

    73. Re:Christmas special? by Blakey+Rat · · Score: 1

      What was it that turned you off from Runaway Bride? The TARDIS - car chase alone had me laughing out loud and I tend to prefer the more serious Doctor Who ones.

      You're right, the car chase was by far the best bit in that movie. Also, the fact that the British military seems to have weapons that, for once, can actually effectively attack a UFO instead of falling on the old tired "our weapons are useless!" trope that so much sci-fi falls into.

      So it's not universally bad... however:

      I thought the actress playing the Racnoss was fantastic. She was utterly relishing that role and was hillarious and horrible all at the same time.

      You're crazy. That was the worst costuming, acting, writing, and effects ever put into a Doctor Who episode, EVER. And that includes the spoof episode with the Absorbatrix. She wasn't scary, she was ridiculous-- I would have laughed, except it was so pathetic. Every time she opened her mouth, my ears bled. Ugh. Worst ever.

    74. Re:Christmas special? by vague+disclaimer · · Score: 1

      I'll order you some new brake discs ;).

    75. Re:Christmas special? by Blakey+Rat · · Score: 1

      I am an adult, atheist skeptic and I'm largely unphased by spooks, ghouls, ghosts, and other nonsense. *I* was hiding behind the fucking couch. He found that little fear of creepy shit button in my brain and kept pressing it.

      What the hell is wrong with you?

      Have I passed into an alternate dimension where people forgot that TV is fictional? Are you one of the aliens from Galaxy Quest? Or that old lady in that one Night Court episode who couldn't tell soap characters apart from her real friends? (NOTE: BOTH OF THOSE ARE FICTIONAL.)

      Christ, man. If you watched Alien, something *actually* scary, you'd be pissing your pants before the halfway mark. That's pathetic.

    76. Re:Christmas special? by Tetsujin · · Score: 1

      I'm with you on this one, but bow ties need to go the way of the fez.

      Fezzes are cool.

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    77. Re:Christmas special? by AigariusDebian · · Score: 1

      I see, so you found *that* fanfic comic too?

    78. Re:Christmas special? by AigariusDebian · · Score: 1

      We already have screwdrivers with power detectors in them. So he just picked up a super advanced sonic screwdriver from the future with power wire and field detection and display technology and 'upgraded' that module in his lab to pick up and display other kinds of power too :) Possibly in the special 'display' mode where the power slider adjusts the type of detected power.

      Most of the time it is pretty plausible that a sonic screwdriver with some detectors built in that has been in the hands of a tinkering timelord for age could do *THAT*.

      And didn't you love what they did with the time jumping in the last episodes of this season? That was some solid (and fun) scifi stuff!

      P.S. You *REALLY* must watch the Doctor Who Confidential episodes after each episode of the main show to really and trully seed all the genius and dedication that goes into making every part of that show brilliant.

    79. Re:Christmas special? by ShieldW0lf · · Score: 1

      Now, given all that, the purpose of your specific question eludes me.

      The purpose was to elicit an answer, and possibly provoke some thought. Amazing that you could write so much without including the words "Yes" or "No" in there anywhere with regards to the question.

      A lot of what is termed "Hard" SF involves the writer attempting to imagine a single, significant technological advance, then attempt to extrapolate what the culture would look like in the presence of such an advance, what it's ramifications are, without doing anything that violates our current understanding of reality outside that narrow bound.

      In a world where game systems with more computer power than the what were the most powerful machines on earth 20 years ago are available at a price within the reach of a childs allowance, it seems like a reasonable exercise to imagine things in this way and write a story around it.

      I would consider the novella "Fast Times at Fairmont High" by Vernor Vinge to be a good example of such a story. I don't remember there being any technology in the story that was beyond the reach of modern science and engineering, and the story was better for it, in my opinion. But I would still consider it "Science Fiction".

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    80. Re:Christmas special? by thrawn_aj · · Score: 1

      Ha! I wish. No, that was entirely a product of the 'bad analogy' department of my brain =p. Rule 34 FTL =(

    81. Re:Christmas special? by thrawn_aj · · Score: 1

      Now, given all that, the purpose of your specific question eludes me. The purpose was to elicit an answer, and possibly provoke some thought. Amazing that you could write so much without including the words "Yes" or "No" in there anywhere with regards to the question.

      Vague questions get vague answers. *shrug* I asked for a clarification because I didn't fully understand your sentences. Didn't get it. Even so, I did answer it in conditional form (it would be SF if {conditionA} and no if {conditionB}). Best I can do with your question.

      I would consider the novella "Fast Times at Fairmont High" by Vernor Vinge to be a good example of such a story. I don't remember there being any technology in the story that was beyond the reach of modern science and engineering, and the story was better for it, in my opinion. But I would still consider it "Science Fiction".

      Given my (much expressed) views on the lack of importance of such labels, you'll get no argument from me =). A good story is a good story.

    82. Re:Christmas special? by ShieldW0lf · · Score: 1

      Write a story bound by x and y, does it fit this label, yes or no. Can't get too much more precise than that.

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    83. Re:Christmas special? by RyuuzakiTetsuya · · Score: 1

      Probably, but I don't do hard horror/scifi either.

      I think I've entered the alternate reality where geeks forget that media is about embracing the fantasy a little and engaging in the narrative. Flesh and Stone/The Time of Angels didn't scare me. The initial idea that there are things around us in this universe that largely do not care if we live or die that may indeed kill us when we're not looking coupled with creepy looking angel statues really freaked me out for a while.

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    84. Re:Christmas special? by Blakey+Rat · · Score: 1

      I think I've entered the alternate reality where geeks forget that media is about embracing the fantasy a little and engaging in the narrative.

      Way to stereotype.

      Look, I'm all for immersion when watching a show or playing a video game, or consuming some other form of media. But Doctor Who? It's just not that good. Sorry.

      The initial idea that there are things around us in this universe that largely do not care if we live or die that may indeed kill us when we're not looking coupled with creepy looking angel statues really freaked me out for a while.

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    85. Re:Christmas special? by thrawn_aj · · Score: 1

      Write a story bound by x and y, does it fit this label, yes or no. Can't get too much more precise than that.

      *sigh* it probably was precise. But,

      I asked for a clarification because I didn't fully understand your sentences. Didn't get it.

      Dunno why you didn't just help me out there. Here it is again, since you didn't go back and look:

      What do you mean by me "having a $10M budget for modern, existing tech"? In any case, whether your example is SF or not would have nothing to do with the absolute level of tech of the fictional world since the question is always whether the tech is advanced or speculative compared to our own (the 'our' being whoever is contemplating this categorization).

      I sincerely did not understand the point of the $10M line. Ignoring that, what I said next answers your question sufficiently. If I INTERPRET your first line to mean that the society in your story would have technology that is comparable to "modern, existing" tech, then no, it clearly would not be SF. It would be like "24" or a Tom Clancy novel or any kind of high tech-but-contemporary story, of which there are many. I ask again though, given that you know my views on the matter of SF labels are lukewarm at best, why would my opinion on a test case be of interest to you? (By the way, I should mention that I'm really not trying to be a pain here - I'm just procrastinating on something I should be doing and hence posting much more than usual =)

  3. Why do the best ones always leave early? by deep9x · · Score: 2

    I did enjoy Tennant, but Eccleston and Smith are on a whole different level for me. To be fair, Smith has the benefits of a better showrunner.

    1. Re:Why do the best ones always leave early? by Zeros · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I feel Tennant was a god among the doctors, this kid is second.

    2. Re:Why do the best ones always leave early? by hack++slash · · Score: 1

      I completely agree, at first I was hesitant of Matt Smith because he was so young for a doctor but within the the 10 minutes of his first episode I knew he would be great and that I would enjoy the series, which I thoroughly did.

      I also enjoyed watching Eccleston as the doctor too and was quite pissed he left so soon because he didn't want to get 'pidgenholed' as the doctor. Honestly can't remember what film I last saw him in and don't know what his last film he made was. I guess he wants obscurity, shame really.

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    3. Re:Why do the best ones always leave early? by OS24Ever · · Score: 1

      I agree. Tennant was awesome. Smith however did an excellent stepping in and take over and I've very much enjoyed his performance. Would be sad to see him go so quickly. It was a perfect bit of casting really to pick him up after Tennant.

      Looking forward to catching the season finale next week on BBC America. It's been a bit torturous to watch it as it airs here knowing you could easily get it online.

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    4. Re:Why do the best ones always leave early? by Raisey-raison · · Score: 1

      I totally agree that he was awesome and it will be so sad if he goes. Can't they offer more money or something?

    5. Re:Why do the best ones always leave early? by Threni · · Score: 1

      I prefer the first two. This guy doesn't cut it, and the new writer is inadequate too.

    6. Re:Why do the best ones always leave early? by eln · · Score: 1

      Smith took a little getting used to, but I have learned to like him. Eccleston and Tennant were very good as well. Honestly, since the show came back there hasn't been a bad or even mediocre doctor. I'm really not sold on Amy Pond yet though. She's pretty to look at, but I'm not sure I like the character. Also, the way they got rid of her fiancee seemed unnecessarily random and sudden like they've been trying to get rid of him the moment he was introduced (which they probably were). Maybe I was just spoiled with Donna and Rose who were both excellent characters with reasonably well-fleshed-out backstories.

      I would hate to see Smith pull an Eccleston and leave right when he was really starting to make the character his own, though. It amazes me how people can come in saying playing the Doctor was their biggest dream in life (as Smith did) and then drop it so quickly.

    7. Re:Why do the best ones always leave early? by oh_my_080980980 · · Score: 1

      Yeah he's not bad.

      Wonder if Tennant would be interested in doing it again! Would be an interesting twist to regeneration, going back to an old form....

    8. Re:Why do the best ones always leave early? by Chubby_C · · Score: 1

      He was last in GI Joe: Rise of Cobra as Destro

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    9. Re:Why do the best ones always leave early? by dancingmilk · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Maybe after doing it for awhile they have realized its not the dream they thought it was. Not an uncommon occurrence in the world.

    10. Re:Why do the best ones always leave early? by ahankinson · · Score: 1

      Umm... not to be a spoiler, but you might want to catch up on the series if you think they killed her fiancee. Just sayin'.

    11. Re:Why do the best ones always leave early? by easterberry · · Score: 1

      I agree with this entirely. I didn't like Smith or the new season really until around the finale. It seemed a bit kiddy, like Fisher Price: my first doctor. And

      (spoiler alert)

      they brought the fiance back. He's going to be a character for at least the start of the next season. Though I didn't like how he was basically just a white Mickey.

    12. Re:Why do the best ones always leave early? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      yes yes yes - I thought it was only me!
      This guy just ain't got what it takes...
      sad but true

      turned it back into a kids sci-fantasy show.

    13. Re:Why do the best ones always leave early? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Warning: Spoiler for some US viewers who aren't caught up yet alert.

      foo
      bar
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      barney
      wilma
      pebbles
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      little buddy
      ginger
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      They haven't gotten rid of her fiancee, Rory - the wedding was at the end of episode 13 (And he's probably not still a Nestene duplicate now, unless Pond likes that stuff. She's still a frellin nympho, which is frankly refreshing.)

    14. Re:Why do the best ones always leave early? by Profane+MuthaFucka · · Score: 1

      The real question is why would any sane person give it up? It's steady work, you have a large audience, the franchise is practically a national institution in one country and is rapidly becoming such in many others. And you don't even have to spend a 9-5 in a stuffy office.

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    15. Re:Why do the best ones always leave early? by camperdave · · Score: 4, Funny

      "What do you mean the TARDIS isn't real?"
      "Matt... It's a set, just like everything else"
      "Well, if I can't have a real TARDIS, I'm leaving. And I'm taking the sonic screwdriver with me."
      "The sonic screwdriver? But that's just a... Oh! Nevermind."

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    16. Re:Why do the best ones always leave early? by Profane+MuthaFucka · · Score: 1

      This is Slashdot. You can certainly reveal that he was never human at all, just one of those plastic guys.

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    17. Re:Why do the best ones always leave early? by Kierthos · · Score: 3, Insightful

      They don't want to be typecast. That's probably the simplest reason.

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    18. Re:Why do the best ones always leave early? by delinear · · Score: 1

      I think Steven Moffat's strengths are in the intimate storylines, where it's a handful of characters and it all feels very claustrophobic. The main problem with the most recent series was that it seemed to have too many big blockbuster let's-throw-every-ally-and-enemy-into-the-mix episodes and Moffat doesn't seem to be able to juggle that many characters (and his tying up of the threads from throughout the series was very weak, not to mention it's far too cliched that they try and do this every series now). The weeping angel episodes (both the original by Moffat and the two in this series) and the Beast Below I thought played very well to his strengths, a limited set of characters in a situation with nowhere to run that gave him room to develop their stories. I wonder if the mistakes of this series weren't more about suits at the BBC shouting that they wanted more explosions and aliens for their money (or maybe he just felt the need to try and top the achievements of his predecessor).

    19. Re:Why do the best ones always leave early? by OldeTimeGeek · · Score: 1

      Ask Adam West about getting typecast.

      He didn't get a whole lot of work after playing Batman in the 60's. Now he mostly parodies the role...

    20. Re:Why do the best ones always leave early? by h4rm0ny · · Score: 1


      David Tennant was really, really good. He sometimes suffered from dubious plotting or overly-sentimental writing, but he himself was brilliant. But so is Matt Smith. I couldn't ask for a better replacement for David Tennant. I really hope this isn't true that he's leaving. He's been absolutely great.

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    21. Re:Why do the best ones always leave early? by eln · · Score: 1

      I actually started watching the series during the last season of Tennant, so have been spending the last several weeks catching up on Eccleston and the parts of Tennant that I missed, so I've fallen behind a bit on the Smith series. Oops.

    22. Re:Why do the best ones always leave early? by Omestes · · Score: 1

      Eccleston was kind of boring. He was very nice upon first watching, in the context of "wow, new Doctor", but after Tennant and Smith he shrunk a bit. He was kind of mopey, overly serious, and lacked the quirks that make most of the previous and subsequent doctors interesting.

      I would say Tennant (in my completely irrelevant opinion) is tied with Tom Baker, and Smith might be the most likable of the lot.

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    23. Re:Why do the best ones always leave early? by cyberzephyr · · Score: 1

      I agree whole-heartedly. Tennant was my favorite Doctor, Eccleston was my second (No disrespect sir). If Matt Smith can't handle the job then leave! Being the Doctor is like being James Bond, few people can do it.

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    24. Re:Why do the best ones always leave early? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ask Will Wheaton or Ralph Macchio about that.
      If you get too well known for a character it can be hard to lose that.

    25. Re:Why do the best ones always leave early? by DudeTheMath · · Score: 1

      Where are my mod points. ++Funny.

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    26. Re:Why do the best ones always leave early? by RevWaldo · · Score: 1

      Typecasting is only something knowingly mediocre actors worry about. If you can't make people image you in some other role that's down to your ability, period. I can also be down to the person making so much money off the original role that they decide to coast and milk it for all it's worth. It's when they get bored and try to get back in the game that they hit the typecasting wall.
      .

    27. Re:Why do the best ones always leave early? by DudeTheMath · · Score: 1

      I still have a great fondness for McCoy's Doctor (he suffered from some weak and silly scripts, though). I can watch and re-watch "Remembrance of the Daleks."

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    28. Re:Why do the best ones always leave early? by BrokenHalo · · Score: 1

      I prefer the first two. This guy doesn't cut it, and the new writer is inadequate too.

      The first two? You mean William Hartnell and Patrick Troughton?

      Hmmm, OK, if you must. (Incidentally, Jon Pertwee was the first Doctor I saw in colour, comparatively late in his incarnation).

    29. Re:Why do the best ones always leave early? by Anonymous+Brave+Guy · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Smith might be the most likable of the lot.

      This is my biggest reservation about Smith, and the reason that I think the jury is still out on his Doctor.

      David Tennant had a remarkable ability to flip personality in a heartbeat. One second, he's the happy, adventurous Doctor. Next, he's the awesomely powerful Time Lord with the weight of the whole universe resting on his shoulders. Next, he's somehow the saddest character in the universe, profoundly alone even when surrounded by life. Sometimes, the character traits showed up in a big storyline with a tragic fate for one of his companions, but more telling were the simple acts scattered throughout the series. Compare the eleventh Doctor (Smith) in the big speech at the end of his first episode with just a typical tenth Doctor (Tennant) moment in mid-series:

      Doctor #11: Okay, one more, just one. Is this world protected? Because you're not the first one to attack it. Oh, there have been so many. And what you've got to ask is, what happened to them? [Cue montage.] Hello! I'm the Doctor. Basically, run.

      Doctor #10: Don't play games with me. You just killed someone I like, and that is not a safe place to stand. I'm the Doctor, and you're in the biggest library in the universe. Look me up.

      Somehow, for all the build-up in the first scene, the second one was far more powerful. Whether that was due to the actors, the writing, the direction or something else, I'm not sure.

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    30. Re:Why do the best ones always leave early? by cgenman · · Score: 1

      Smith finally felt like he was hitting his stride with the last few episodes of this season. He's suffering a bit from the loss of one of the best television writers of recent memory, and Moffat needing to learn to trust the audience. But next season had lots of promise.

      Tennant is a favorite of mine. A big reason for that is just his desire to play the role... He obviously loved the doctor as a character, and that love and attention-to-detail really showed on screen. He was having the time of his life with that character, and we were having it watching him.

      Seeing Eccleston bail so quickly on a character that would be a dream for many actors just broke my heart. Hearing Matt Smith is feeling the same way is going to taint the next season.

      As a side note, doesn't the Doctor technically have one regeneration left after Matt? Or is it two?

    31. Re:Why do the best ones always leave early? by gfreeman · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Shatner managed it with Denny Crane.

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    32. Re:Why do the best ones always leave early? by baconjews · · Score: 1

      There was a 2 week delay in the season starting in the United States - PLUS - BBC America postponed the series by ANOTHER 2 weeks for holidays (you get holiday specials - we get shows vanishing).

      If I hadn't been creative AND bought from iTunes (yah - I'll pay for media with a season subscription, but if I can - ahem - get it early .... ) I'd STILL be watching stuck on "the Lodger" right now.

    33. Re:Why do the best ones always leave early? by the+phantom · · Score: 1

      You and me both. Though it probably has something to do with him being my first Doctor---PBS started airing Doctor Who during his tenure in the late 80s, thus McCoy was the first Doctor for many, many Americans.

    34. Re:Why do the best ones always leave early? by baconjews · · Score: 1

      "I Don't want to watch your poncey Doctor, I was intense me, your Doctor Who is just Jarvis Cocker in space ..."

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VQEmGC6VK8k

      The series is running out of things to wipe out at the series conclusions. Earth, Universe(s) (Reality bomb), Earth again, Universe again...

    35. Re:Why do the best ones always leave early? by Profane+MuthaFucka · · Score: 1

      Yes, but Adam West was a shitty actor. Sometimes typecasting is just an excuse for other flaws.

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    36. Re:Why do the best ones always leave early? by canajin56 · · Score: 1

      You might want to catch up on the series, too ;)

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    37. Re:Why do the best ones always leave early? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's also quite long and hard work, between the filiming (3-4 months of 12+ hour days), the related jobs (audio books, online adventures, etc.), the promotion, etc.

      It works out to be about 6 months of work per year, which leaves very little time for outside projects. David Tennant did a lot of live theater (mostly Shakespeare), which was much easier to work into the schedule.

    38. Re:Why do the best ones always leave early? by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      Smith is great, his only problem though is that he's too young. There's just no ancient time lord feel to him.

    39. Re:Why do the best ones always leave early? by CaptainJeff · · Score: 1

      Well this is a horrible misinterpretation.

      Rory certainly was human. He was recreated as an Auton (those plastic guys) by the Nestene in The Pandorica Opens. He died, fell through the crack, and went who knows where. But then the Nestene went to Amy's house to create a realistic scenario that The Doctor and Amy would beleive based on her memories. It just so happened that her memories were of Romans in Britain, Pandora's Box, and Rory. Hence, that's what got created. Very fortunate for Rory that Amy remembered him in some way so he could be recreated, as an Auton but still. However, Rory was absolutely human until he died and was recreated as an Auton.

    40. Re:Why do the best ones always leave early? by Lectrik · · Score: 1

      I Know he was in G.I. Joe... As Destro according to IMDB... never actually watched that movie, but my wife always said "He's so hot" when we walked past the poster at the theater

      Also he was the invisible guy in the first season of heroes

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    41. Re:Why do the best ones always leave early? by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      But he wasn't exactly a well rounded actor to start with, and his acting was terrible in the show (possibly intentionally). Both Eccleston and Tennant have some great roles behind them and actually demonstrated acting ability while on the show.

    42. Re:Why do the best ones always leave early? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The next doctor "should" be the last

    43. Re:Why do the best ones always leave early? by Gilmoure · · Score: 1

      Still waiting for Maggie Smith or Simon Pegg to get tapped and step up.

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    44. Re:Why do the best ones always leave early? by TangoMargarine · · Score: 1

      Not to mention at the end when he got re-recreated as a human (presumably) by Amy after the universe was destroyed.

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    45. Re:Why do the best ones always leave early? by Gilmoure · · Score: 1

      I thought the budget was cut for this past season which is one reason for smaller cast/simpler sets?

      I do like Moffat's approach to time travel and people interacting at different points in their personal time lines. Most time travel seems to be used as a vehicle for different costumes but Moffat makes it cool!

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    46. Re:Why do the best ones always leave early? by damien_kane · · Score: 1

      This is Slashdot. You can certainly reveal that he was never human at all, just one of those plastic guys.

      Perhaps, though, she's not really human either.
      Maybe they're both plastic (or shiny-metal) toys, and the real human versions will show up eventually; all in good time, as one might say.

    47. Re:Why do the best ones always leave early? by vague+disclaimer · · Score: 1
      too many big blockbuster let's-throw-every-ally-and-enemy-into-the-mix episodes

      Huh? Other than the last 20 mins of The Pandorica Opens when did that happen?

      (and his tying up of the threads from throughout the series was very weak,

      I don't think you were watching the same show as me.

    48. Re:Why do the best ones always leave early? by h4rm0ny · · Score: 1

      Still waiting for Maggie Smith or Simon Pegg to get tapped and step up.

      Only as the Rani and the Master, respectively. :)

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    49. Re:Why do the best ones always leave early? by cgenman · · Score: 1

      (spoiler alert)

      They did have a great moment where the doctor comes into Amy's wedding, and refers to Rory at "Mr Pond." Rory looks at the doctor and says "I'm not Mr. Pond. That's not how it works." The doctor gives him a sad smile and says "Yeah it is." Rory looks momentarily sad and agrees. Rory as a character realizing that he's basically useless is an interesting twist, which I hope they utilize better than Mickey realizing that he's a tin dog.

      (end spoilers)

      I feel like they're taking the series away from the "adult" themes established by Russel T Davies (Head writer for Dr Who and creator of Queer as Folk). The team seems to be trying to recapture the feeling that they had about the doctor in the 70's and 80's when they were growing up. Also, Russel had a degree of faith in the intelligence of his audience that Steven Moffet doesn't quite have. Which is to say, Moffet seems to badger the audience over the head with "the point" or every individual plot point, where Russel tended to spend time exploring intricacies and nuances.

    50. Re:Why do the best ones always leave early? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Since leaving Dr. Who Eccleston has done Heroes, The Seeker, and G.I. Joe: Rise of the Cobra as major productions he's been in.

    51. Re:Why do the best ones always leave early? by OS24Ever · · Score: 1

      Tennant is almost exactly my age, like a month or two different. His statement on how Peter Davison was his favorite because he 'grew up' watching hit home with me.

      I really hit my stride watching the Doctor on PBS here in the states about the time Davison was being aired. I know a lot of people scream 'bring back baker' but to me Davison is my favorite. he is probably the one doctor I've seen the most of his era of episodes. Not having the internet or BBSes around that discussed it at the time his leaving was a shock and I despise Colin Baker and can't stand watching any of the episodes he was in I was so mad he was the replacement. When he was yanked I was quite happy.

      The Tennant/Davison special where they met and played the doctor from that benefit was one of my favorite finds on youtube.

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    52. Re:Why do the best ones always leave early? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Lies, Damn Lies, and ... uh, quotes.

      You just compared the best line from the first episode from a new doctor against the (arguably, but certainly agreed upon in my family) best line from the series.

      Tennant was brilliant. Five years from now, whether still in the role or not, I am inclined to believe I will think the same of Smith (whom I like to describe as "unpredictably dangerous")

    53. Re:Why do the best ones always leave early? by OS24Ever · · Score: 1

      Shouldn't two or three Masters ago been the last of him too?

      The McGuffin can always be used. Who knew when they made up 12 as the magic number that it'd be > 30 years running?

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    54. Re:Why do the best ones always leave early? by easterberry · · Score: 1

      [This is the last time I will warn about...
      SPOILERS]

      Rory is actually less useless than Mickey was before he went to the parallel world and got all competent. Rory seems to fluctuate between Tin Dog and Companion. Like he did the whole Nesting Consciousness for 2000 years to protect her thing and he held off the Dalek with his hand gun. Twice. Basically I feel they're trying to have it both ways with Rory by making him both the wuss Mickey and the badass Mickey without losing either and it's making him just a poorly written character. They keep telling us he's useless and then have him do things.

      I'd prefer they just made him a competent if somewhat bumbling character since the useless wuss character is kind of a one trick pony that Russel already showed us the trick for.

      And I agree about the more kiddy theme. I feel the whole season can be summed up with the term "Rainbow Daleks" it's Fisher Price: My first Doctor.

    55. Re:Why do the best ones always leave early? by cgenman · · Score: 2, Interesting

      The writing Tennant had to work with was also much sharper. Comparing the two lines above. Tennant had 4 sentences to work with. Matt had make it work in 8. Tennant's lines implied so much. Matt had to physically say everything, and even has a redundancy to get around. In short, Tennant was working with better material, while Matt's writers are just getting a sense for the new feel of the updated series.

      As another comparison, Tennant had a climactic battle against the nightmare scenario of Daleks and Cybermen converging on the earth. Matt's single season finale is framed by Daleks, Cyberzombies, Atraxi, Silurian, Jadoons, and bunches of other alien races that just serve to dilute, rather than reinforce, the strength of the episode. In Tennant's episode, you really see the interplay between the two nightmare species. In Matt's, the wad of aliens are just serving as a big nebulous blob of boogymen.

      I had some hesitation about Matt as a doctor, but I really feel like he has found the character's groove, insomuch as the writing will allow. But the writing has been thick and kludgy, better suited to The Sarah Jane Adventures than Doctor Who.

    56. Re:Why do the best ones always leave early? by asdf7890 · · Score: 1

      I totally agree that he was awesome and it will be so sad if he goes. Can't they offer more money or something?

      No-one over here can afford much more money right now, least not the BBC. It doesn't really show but this series of Who had a reduced budget compared to the previous ones and the BBC in general is having to tighten the purse strings further. It might not be the money he is after though, at least not just the money.

      I'd like to see him stay longer too. His playing of the doctor, Amy as the main companion, and Moffat running the show behind the scenes, is a combination that has to worked very well IMO.

    57. Re:Why do the best ones always leave early? by WCLPeter · · Score: 1

      He was kind of mopey, overly serious, and lacked the quirks that make most of the previous and subsequent doctors interesting.

      I think that was the point. McGann's Doctor was responsible for ending the Time War by utterly destroying the Daleks and Time Lords, separating their entire time streams with time-locks to prevent anyone from going into or out of the war. Being the last of his kind and mortally wounded in the process he regenerated into Eccleston's Doctor and went to Earth where he ran into Rose then went on some adventures with her.

      Now I don't know about you, but if I was responsible for the mass genocide of two races, cut off from any family I'd had, and being the last of my kind; I'd be mopey, overly serious, and not as fun as my prior incarnations. By the time he'd elected to trade his life for Rose's by absorbing the energy of the time vortex, he had undergone a great deal of change and self reflection that allowed him to come to terms with what he'd done to save everything and begin again with a fresh slate.

      That being said, I hope Smith sticks around for a while; or at least until they can do a remake of the "Three Doctors". I'd love to get Eccleston, Tennent, and Smith in the same room being all Doctory. ;-)

    58. Re:Why do the best ones always leave early? by ChunderDownunder · · Score: 1

      I see your point but I think Tom Baker is the best thing about Little Britain!

    59. Re:Why do the best ones always leave early? by Myrddin+Wyllt · · Score: 1

      "The sonic screwdriver? But that's just a... Oh! Nevermind."

      Well obviously the TARDIS is just a set, but the sonic screwdriver seems to work fine IRL, as Matt demonstrates in this footage from Glastonbury Festival this summer.

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    60. Re:Why do the best ones always leave early? by prockcore · · Score: 1

      My main problem is that in the last season, the Doctor seems to orate everyone to death. He's like the president from Independence Day, big speeches about nothing. In particular I'm thinking of the speech at stonehenge (which was absolutely ridiculous), as well as the speech to the weeping angels.

    61. Re:Why do the best ones always leave early? by networkBoy · · Score: 1

      speaking of which, I haven't see MyCleverNickName around in a while...

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    62. Re:Why do the best ones always leave early? by networkBoy · · Score: 1

      Problem is, there is only 1 (or two, depending on if you count from 0) regenerations left to the Doctor. That is a plot device that will be hard to overcome without either violating canon or shenanigans like the Master used...

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    63. Re:Why do the best ones always leave early? by networkBoy · · Score: 1

      I liked Troughton and Baker.
      Incedentally Patrick's grandson played in Robin Hood as Sam, and was actually quite good. Shame that series already died.

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    64. Re:Why do the best ones always leave early? by DudeTheMath · · Score: 1

      Pertwee was my first, and he had some great stories plus Jo Grant! He and McCoy had similar approaches to playing the Doctor, I think.

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    65. Re:Why do the best ones always leave early? by Anonymous+Brave+Guy · · Score: 1

      I completely agree about the writing. The latest series has had its moments, but often lacked subtlety and did a terrible job of wrapping up loose ends. I'm not sure what the production team collectively was thinking when it produced the two-part season finale; another comparison makes the point better than anything I can write.

      Daleks, as portrayed in the Tenth Doctor episode Doomsday:

      Cyberman: Daleks, be warned: you have declared war upon the Cybermen.
      Dalek Sec: This is not war. This is pest control.
      Cyberman: We have five million Cybermen. How many are you?
      Dalek Sec: Four.
      Cyberman: You would destroy the Cybermen with four Daleks?
      Dalek Sec: We would destroy the Cybermen with one Dalek. You are superior in only one respect.
      Cyberman: What is that?
      Dalek Sec: You are better at dying.

      Daleks, as portrayed in the Eleventh Doctor season episode The Pandorica Opens:

      Look at us, we're made of brightly coloured plastic like children's toys! But don't mess with us, because we're marginally more important than all these zillions of other Enemy Races(TM) with Big Spaceships(TM) flying overhead like something out of Close Encounters. We're so bad, we're going to almost completely disappear by the season finale next week, and the only one of us left will have become weak and feeble enough to beg for its life when facing a human with a little gun, even though a mere automaton we created based on another dead human can survive the same intervening hundreds of years completely unharmed! See, look how scary we are!!!!11!eleven!

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    66. Re:Why do the best ones always leave early? by deniable · · Score: 1

      The real Amy was pregnant and the real Rory had a pony tail.

    67. Re:Why do the best ones always leave early? by CarbonShell · · Score: 1

      True, and from Prof Soon (or what was her name) we kinda know that he will 'die' when she is around.

      btw: my favs:
      Eccleston and Tennant for a tie, then Smith.
      Eccleston really had the Time-War veteran going for him and the sometimes strange behaviour (bi-polar) could be an effect of the war (PTSD).
      Tennant I found to be a really good actor as he could go any way and really played the doctor well.
      Smith is ok, but his chaotic-ness feels to be more coming from being 'young' and I find it hard to 'see his age'.

      Companions:
      Martha tie with Donna. Martha was smart and could hold her own. Donna was like the only direct non love interest and could out-lip the doctor. They were like an old couple at times.
      Amy and Rose are just useless eyecandy.

      Though I really liked Rory. Helpless but with a good and brave heart.

    68. Re:Why do the best ones always leave early? by VShael · · Score: 1

      The jury is only "still out" for a minority of fans. The majority have embraced Matt, and there's quite a few that think he leaves Tennant in the dust.

      As for the two quotes you listed, in fairness, you can't call that a "typical" #10 moment. The Library two-parter, by Moffat, was one of the highlights of that season, and was full of great lines.

      If you wanted to compare like with like, take Tennants opening episode. Where he had such great lines as "No second chances. That's the kind of Doctor I am." And while it's a great line, it doesn't compare at all to "Basically... run."

    69. Re:Why do the best ones always leave early? by Mad-Bassist · · Score: 1

      Timelords have twelve regenerations, so counting from Hartnell, that would be thirteen incarnations. We still have two more to go, and I hope they don't happen within the same decade!

      Naturally, anything is possible in the DW universe. It's been established that another regenerative cycle can be bestowed upon an individual, and Rassilon supposedly has unlimited regenerations.

      At the very least, the thirteenth doctor should be quite interesting.

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    70. Re:Why do the best ones always leave early? by mcvos · · Score: 1

      It certainly looks like the Doctor is getting younger with every regeneration.

    71. Re:Why do the best ones always leave early? by mcvos · · Score: 1

      He was great as the invisible guy in Heroes, but I've never seen him anywhere else. I think Dr Who was the best thing that ever happened to him. It's a real shame he gave it up, but I consider Tennant second only to Tom Baker, so I'm not complaining.

    72. Re:Why do the best ones always leave early? by mcvos · · Score: 1

      The writing is definitely a big part of it. The first one quirky somewhat funny, but also predictable. The second one sent shivers down my spine. But maybe that's also because I know how Tennant would say it.

      Of course the writing has to be different. They're different Doctors. Different personalities. I'm pretty sure the writers try to tailor it to the style of the actor. And Tennant had an extremely diverse style, going from the silliest goofball to dead serious at the drop of a hat.

    73. Re:Why do the best ones always leave early? by uberotto · · Score: 1

      So it's not just me. I like Matt Smith, but to me when I watch the new episodes it feels more like Harry Potter than Dr. Who.

    74. Re:Why do the best ones always leave early? by Profane+MuthaFucka · · Score: 1

      Fuck, can't a troll post shit spoilers anymore? What is this? The truth in trolling commission?

      Four lights. Fuck.

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    75. Re:Why do the best ones always leave early? by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      I disagree, Smith's lines are much more consistent. This regeneration of the Doctor is a genius but his mind races and he tends to say what he is thinking. With Tennant you got the impression that he just wasn't being serious most of the time but with Smith the Doctor is just like that all the time.

      The story lines are also much better IMHO. Far less use of deus ex machina and generally more serious. The dynamic with the companions is good too.

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    76. Re:Why do the best ones always leave early? by Lectrik · · Score: 1

      He was great as the invisible guy in Heroes, but I've never seen him anywhere else.

      I'm laughing, even if this wasn't a joke.

      I think he's playing John Lennon in some hbo or showtime special about Him and Yoko.

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    77. Re:Why do the best ones always leave early? by I_M_Noman · · Score: 1

      I totally agree that he was awesome and it will be so sad if he goes.

      Are y'all watching the same show I am? Smith is trying to play the Doctor like Hartnell, but he has neither the acting chops nor the (dare I say it) gravitas to pull it off. Smith is easily the worst Doctor, even below Tom Baker and Paul McGann in my book. If they don't go to an older actor for the next regeneration I'll be really peeved.

    78. Re:Why do the best ones always leave early? by I_M_Noman · · Score: 1

      The jury is only "still out" for a minority of fans. The majority have embraced Matt, and there's quite a f

      On what planet? Nobody I know can stand Smith as The Doctor.

  4. I can practically hear the brittish accent.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I've tremendously enjoyed the Smith/Gillan combo personally.

    I greatly fear we shan't be in Wimbledon by noonfall.

  5. The Sun eh... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Considering he's signed up for a minimum of a 3 year contract with an optional two, I don't see him bowing out of Who at the end of next year...

    Also with the exception of their story on Eccleston, The Sun is by and large a load of bollocks.

    1. Re:The Sun eh... by emurphy42 · · Score: 1

      Also with the exception of their story on Eccleston, The Sun is by and large a load of bollocks.

      Both halves of which are explicitly pointed out in TFA:

      Normally I would take such a rumour with a grain of salt, especially as it comes from a British tabloid, The Sun. However, The Sun ran a similar story (a highly accurate one as it turned out) regarding former Doctor Who cast star Christopher Eccleston, who also left the series earlier than expected.

    2. Re:The Sun eh... by Two9A · · Score: 5, Informative

      The Telegraph reports Karen Gillan as specifically denying that Smith's going anywhere, so this is just a spurious attempt by the Sun to generate "news".

      Here's hoping Smith stays on for at least 3 years, and we get some more multi-season arcs going.

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    3. Re:The Sun eh... by JasterBobaMereel · · Score: 1

      ...they also predicted he was leaving a year ago ... ...and that David Tennant was leaving after his first and second years (they got lucky after his third year) .....

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    4. Re:The Sun eh... by Quiet_Desperation · · Score: 1

      The Telegraph reports Karen Gillan as specifically denying

      Pfft! That woman would forget her own engagement. I wouldn't trust her as a source.

  6. Dr, Who has become nothing more than a springboard by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Unknown actors will take the role, stay for around a year or so, and then move on to better things. Dr. Who is alright, but it's children's television, and no serious actor wants to be typecast as a sci-fi superhero.

  7. Thank god by Moldiver · · Score: 1

    Thank god and away with him as fast as possible - the new series was so damn bad. Hope it gets better with another actor.

    1. Re:Thank god by Sancho · · Score: 2, Informative

      It's all the writing. I don't particularly care for Matt Smith, but I think that's my problem--having an unholy love for the previous Doctor. But for me, it's pretty hard to get past all of the continuity they've been screwing with, and even when they aren't doing that, the writing is just bad.

    2. Re:Thank god by 0123456 · · Score: 1

      even when they aren't doing that, the writing is just bad.

      But it was in most of the previous seasons too. Whatsisname's scripts basically came down to setting up a situation with lots of conflict and then waving the sonic screwdriver to make everything go back to normal ('Doctor, there are three million Daleks outside who want to talk to you about this script for Hamlet they've worked out' buzz from sonic screwdriver 'Not any more'); not to mention Rose reappearing every third episode even though at the end of the episode the Doctor would say that she really was gone for good this time.

      Admittedly this season hasn't actually got here yet so for all I know it could be even worse, but it doesn't have much to compare to.

    3. Re:Thank god by Deus777 · · Score: 1

      I agree. I've been watching this season, and while I like some parts of the stories, I just don't like how the Doctor in particular is written. I don't enjoy this season nearly as much as I did the previous 4 seasons.

      I'm fine with the Amy Pond character. I don't really like Matt Smith as the Doctor, but I am trying to keep an open mind. It's hard to separate how his character is written from how he is playing the role.

    4. Re:Thank god by delinear · · Score: 1

      Not wishing to introduce a massive spoiler (if you've not seen this series you probably want to stop reading aboooout... now - but 'Doctor, there are three million Daleks outside who want to talk to you about this script for Hamlet they've worked out' buzz from sonic screwdriver 'Not any more' almost sums up the big season finalé (seriously, all the build up the Pandorica received and that was how he escaped, not to mention it was highly implausible and paradox inducing, even for a show where a 900 year old alien travels through space and time in a police box).

    5. Re:Thank god by h4rm0ny · · Score: 2, Interesting


      This series very blatantly sets out to get away from that. Even from the very first episode where he has to save the Earth without any of his usual toys - or in his own words: "No TARDIS. No Sonic Screwdriver. Two minutes to spare!". And then at other points in the series, it's re-emphasised. E.g. the line in 'Vincent and the Doctor': "That does it! From now on, I'm only using this thing to screw in screws". The device has mainly just been used in this series as a short-hand for things. Similar goes for all the maudln Rose/Martha/Kylie pining love story stuff. If you haven't seen the episode in question yet, I'll avoid saying what happens, but we get a very clear (and funny) distancing from romantic entanglements with the new Doctor. And the one character that may or may not be a romantic entanglement (Doctor River Song), we have only deep suspicions as to what might happen between her and the Doctor. Originally, we assumed she was the Doctor's wife. Now... maybe yes, maybe something more sinister. We've been promised some answers next series, but it's definitely a deliberate stepping away from all the "Roooooose!" unstated love stuff.

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    6. Re:Thank god by Tetsujin · · Score: 1

      Thank god and away with him as fast as possible - the new series was so damn bad. Hope it gets better with another actor.

      What's wrong with this year's series? I thought Amy's Crack was great! I'm a big fan of it!

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    7. Re:Thank god by tempest69 · · Score: 1

      For a fleeting moment I was really envying the British TV viewers. Then -oh the glowing crack- nevermind.

    8. Re:Thank god by 0123456 · · Score: 1

      This series very blatantly sets out to get away from that. Even from the very first episode where he has to save the Earth without any of his usual toys - or in his own words: "No TARDIS. No Sonic Screwdriver. Two minutes to spare!".

      Cool; sounds like it's worth watching when it does get here :).

    9. Re:Thank god by vague+disclaimer · · Score: 1
      Not wishing to introduce a massive spoiler (if you've not seen this series you probably want to stop reading aboooout... now - but 'Doctor, there are three million Daleks outside who want to talk to you about this script for Hamlet they've worked out' buzz from sonic screwdriver 'Not any more' almost sums up the big season finalé

      Heh. Whoooooooooosh!

    10. Re:Thank god by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Amy is actually easy on the eyes, one of my favorite of his...groupies :)

    11. Re:Thank god by h4rm0ny · · Score: 1


      Oh yes, totally. I really liked David Tennant's Doctor and even if the final episodes had plot holes you could lose a planet down, his farewells were still moving and it was sad to see him go. I determined to give the new Doctor a fair chance, even though deep down I had some doubts. The first five minutes of the Matt Smith episode were a bit "well this could go either way". The next ten minutes or so were odd, but strangely endearing. The Doctor's "I don't even have an aunt" is delivered with a great deal more humour and less pathos than Ten would have squeezed into the line. Basically, he's really good. And then from there the episode takes off like a rocket. I wont give away any spoilers, but suffice to say the entire theme of the episode seems to be to get away from all the Deus Ex Machinae that plagued previous series (Sonic Screwdrivers that can redirect spaceships, TARDISes that have the power to turn humans into Time Re-Writing divinities, mixing three jars of coloured liquids together to cure all known diseases, etc.). It's basically the Doctor's intellect vs. a world-ending threat. If you like the sound of that, then I suspect you'll enjoy it immensely. The series has a couple of weak episodes and the odd thing that doesn't make sense, but on the whole it's extremely strong. They've also done away with the omnipotent Doctor tendency a bit. You see that he really does need his friends to get him through some situations in a way that wasn't emphasized very often in the previous series. Eleven also has a great and calm sense of humour. It's great stuff. Just keep an open mind for the first part of the new series.

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  8. It will be surprisingly okay by DoofusOfDeath · · Score: 3, Insightful

    In the revived series, each time the actor playing the Doctor has changed, I expected that the new one couldn't be as great as the one retiring. But I've been pleasantly surprised each time.

    So while I'm sad to see the current one go, I'm meta-okay with it.

    1. Re:It will be surprisingly okay by Monkeedude1212 · · Score: 1

      So while I'm sad to see the current one go, I'm meta-okay with it.

      You're Okay with being Okay with it?

      What a cool way to put it.

      "Meta-stuff" sounds like it'd be the leading cause of redundant statements but I haven't come across any use of the prefix ending up in anything less than awesome.

    2. Re:It will be surprisingly okay by Malfourmed · · Score: 1

      I'm expecting Matt Smith to be replaced by Alex Kingston...

    3. Re:It will be surprisingly okay by raddan · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Huh, well, I've been in mourning since the Tom Baker era. He was uniquely quirky. The Doctor who followed him was terrible.

      That said, I haven't really given any of the more modern Doctors a fair shake, so they may be great. I watched one episode that featured an angry Tennant basically just running from zombies. Kind of boring. I should probably watch from the beginning.

    4. Re:It will be surprisingly okay by DoofusOfDeath · · Score: 1

      I recommend giving it a shot. It's a fun show, especially for people who don't take it overly seriously.

    5. Re:It will be surprisingly okay by Gilmoure · · Score: 1

      Or that red haired kid from Harry Potter.

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    6. Re:It will be surprisingly okay by Dr_Barnowl · · Score: 1

      Indeed, the signs are there... she thinks him incredibly young, calls him "Sweetie" like a wife or a doting mother, knows his true name, keeps a TARDIS shaped diary and is rather condescending to him at times. It might be enough of an explanation that she's his future wife, but the alternate is that she's his future self.

    7. Re:It will be surprisingly okay by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My Theory is that she's "The Doctor's Daughter"

  9. PLEASE!!!! by Vinegar+Joe · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Bring back Tom Baker!

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    1. Re:PLEASE!!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As someone who has been rewatching the Tom Baker episodes I can honestly say that they do not stand the test of time.

    2. Re:PLEASE!!!! by Omestes · · Score: 1

      As someone else who has been rewatching the Tom Baker episodes, I can honestly say that they do stand the test of time.

      Or at least I've been enjoying them.

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    3. Re:PLEASE!!!! by Tetsujin · · Score: 1

      As someone who has been rewatching the Tom Baker episodes I can honestly say that they do not stand the test of time.

      Oh, bah! Wha'chu talkim' bout?

      I mean, probably like a lot of fans in the US I started with Tom Baker, and it was actually a long time before I even saw any other doctors... And so more recently I've watched episodes with the other doctors and enjoyed them quite a lot - to the point that Tom Baker is no longer "the" doctor to me, or even necessarily the "best" doctor or the best "classic" doctor... But I went through a bunch of his episodes while watching the classic series episodes (all that I have, I mean) - and actually, he's quite good.

      But bring him back? Might be fun for a visit but otherwise I'm enjoying the process of moving forward.

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    4. Re:PLEASE!!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The AC didn't enjoy them because he ran out of Jelly Babies.

    5. Re:PLEASE!!!! by blair1q · · Score: 1

      Did he? I have a bag in my desk drawer. Would you like one?

      (This is absolutely true.)

    6. Re:PLEASE!!!! by Gilmoure · · Score: 1

      Especially if he shows up as Captain Rum.

      You've got a woman's hands there Doctor!

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  10. Man this is out of date already by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    http://www.list.co.uk/article/27226-matt-smith-sticks-with-doctor/

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/mandrake/7897262/Doctor-Who-star-Matt-Smith-is-staying-put-says-Karen-Gillan.html

    1. Re:Man this is out of date already by delinear · · Score: 1

      From that first article, this worries me greatly (much more than the departure or otherwise of Smith):

      Writer Stephen Moffat recently admitted he was "so excited" about the upcoming episode, which would include a host of exciting storylines. He said: "We're going for broke with this one. It's all your favourite Christmas movies at once, in an hour, with monsters and the Doctor and a honeymoon and - oh, you'll see.

      No, no, no - has he learned nothing? He ruined the season finale by trying to be too ambitious and throwing everything into the mix, and now he's planning to make the Christmas special more of the same? I know there's probably a big drive from the bosses to make everything bigger and better so they can sell DVDs and toys, but this is not playing to Moffat's strengths at all.

  11. Re:Dr, Who has become nothing more than a springbo by Jeng · · Score: 1

    With a face like the new Doctors I think Sci-fi Superhero is the best he may be able to get.

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  12. Multi-year contracts by CommieLib · · Score: 4, Insightful

    For the love of God, can you lock these actors into three year contracts, please? Tennant did right by the role, but Eccleston and Smith have burned up their regenerations wastefully...

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    1. Re:Multi-year contracts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Eccleston actually wanted to do more seasons, but the writers really wanted to do a regeneration shortly into the relaunch so that new fans could be introduced to the concept.

    2. Re:Multi-year contracts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      what a load of bull Eccleston did it on the explicit understanding he'd only do it for one season he didn't want to get typecast etc RTD was happy as he wanted the series to end with a bang and wanted a well known person who'd appeared in films so people wouldn't say it was just a kids thing

    3. Re:Multi-year contracts by Speare · · Score: 1

      Rabid fandom aside, maybe the role is just not very interesting for the actors themselves. Write something punchier that doesn't involve completely confusing and self-contradictory. Alternative theory: they are just stressing the 'who!?' part of 'Dr Who' these days.

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    4. Re:Multi-year contracts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Actually Eccleston didn't get along with some of the rest of the staff.

      http://scifimafia.com/2010/06/the-real-reason-why-christopher-eccleston-quit-doctor-who/

      “I was open-minded but I decided after my experience on the first series that I didn’t want to do any more I didn’t enjoy the environment and the culture that we, the cast and crew, had to work in.”

    5. Re:Multi-year contracts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Jesus Christ man, learn to use punctuation! At a bare minimum, try to distil your thoughts into sentences.

    6. Re:Multi-year contracts by Orange+Crush · · Score: 1

      Who cares if they burn another regeneration? The arbitrary limit of 13 incarnations can easily be gotten around. For instance, the Master was resurrected for the Time War and presumably given a fresh set of regenerations, why wouldn't the Time Lords have reset everyone's "regeneration counter" back to zero, or removed the limit entirely?

    7. Re:Multi-year contracts by nine-times · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I think 3-5 seasons for a Doctor is good. I loved Tennant and was disappointed to hear he was leaving, but when Smith took over, I was relieved to find the change refreshing. I realized that things had gotten a little stale after 5 years, and mixing things up with a new writer and cast was a good move.

    8. Re:Multi-year contracts by Gilmoure · · Score: 1

      It's seemed to me that the new DW (Eccleston on up) has been more about the development of the companions. There doesn't seem to be a lot of personal growth or change in the various Doctors; just different brands of witticisms.

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    9. Re:Multi-year contracts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And realistically, if someone has to deal with the 13th regeneration problem, I'd rather it be Moffat than pretty much anyone else.

    10. Re:Multi-year contracts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I was happy to hear Doctor Who was coming back, but have been disappointed with the rate they are using up 'The Doctors' regenerations. Yes I know its only a TV series, yes I know its fictional, but when it is something you grew up with and expected to see run forever, to see these actors selfishly wasting what little life 'the Doctor' has left as they want to try something else it annoys me.

      2 incarnations left... unless of course there is some outlandish plot twist...

  13. Good Riddance... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Not to take anything away from Mr. Smith, who has acted his part quite well, but he simply doesn't fit with my perception of the Doctor.

    Dr. Who is:
    -creative
    -intelligent
    -witty
    -civilized

    Well done, Mr. Smith.

    Dr. Who is NOT:
    -twelve years old

    Sorry, but it just doesn't work.

    1. Re:Good Riddance... by elrous0 · · Score: 1

      Dr. Who is NOT:
      -twelve years old

      He was once.

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    2. Re:Good Riddance... by Anonymous+Monkey · · Score: 1

      Not so fast, The Doctor has been getting younger, and more manic from the first very first regeneration. Also, other time lords seem to get older with each regeneration. I think the 12 regeneration cap, and the tendency to get older with each regeneration would be more about your life stile and mind than your body.

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    3. Re:Good Riddance... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Dr. Who is NOT:

      -twelve years old

      He was once.

      Or will be someday. :P

    4. Re:Good Riddance... by RyuuzakiTetsuya · · Score: 1

      After the end of time arc I'm happy with a brighter happier and more cheerful Doctor. Gloomy doctor worked for Tennant at the end but for a fresh start, give me a doctor that can have the balls to wear a bow tie and a fucking fez!

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    5. Re:Good Riddance... by Tetsujin · · Score: 1

      Well done, Mr. Smith.

      Dr. Who is NOT:
      -twelve years old

      Sorry, but it just doesn't work.

      He's, what, two or three years younger than Peter Davison was when he started? Five years younger than David Tennant when he started?

      I do feel like they've maybe been overdoing the "youthful doctor" thing... But I like how Smith has played it. He has a young face but it's like he lets a little of his inner codger show through. :)

      If they ever do make him really twelve, though... Ouch.. I don't normally speak too badly of "Wesley Crusher" (I was a kid, Wesley was my hero!) but a kid playing a know-it-all lead sounds like a recipe for pain... I'm not old enough yet to think of Matt Smith as a "kid". :)

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    6. Re:Good Riddance... by Tetsujin · · Score: 1

      give me a doctor that can have the balls to wear a bow tie and a fucking fez!

      Fezzes are cool.

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    7. Re:Good Riddance... by h4rm0ny · · Score: 1


      As a general trend, I'd agree, but I'm not sure that's quite right.

      First -> Second: Younger, bit more manic.
      Second -> Third: Comparable age. Less manic (but more physical)
      Third -> Fourth: Younger, more manic.
      Fourth -> Fifth: Younger, much less manic
      Fifth -> Sixth: Comparable age, much more manic (in the literal, psychiatric sense, too)
      Sixth -> Seventh: Older (seems so), less manic
      Seventh -> Eight: Younger, less manic, (also remember, they're all a bit crazy after a regen and we only see one "episode" with Eight).
      Eight -> Nine: Older, bit more manic.
      Nine -> Ten: Comparable age but younger image, loads more manic.
      Ten -> Eleven: Younger, less manic on the whole (still quite manic, but comes across as someone sane but highly enthusiastic, rather than crazily excitable like Ten).

      If you want to say that Ten and Eleven are younger and more manic than One and Two, definitely, but I don't think it's a steady progression.

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  14. People always think they can do better don't they by physburn · · Score: 1
    In Acting role for an Iconic Hero, which will likely run continuously for years, but he thinks (vainly) that hollywood is crying out for actor, Leaving early would wreck his career not advance it.

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  15. 12th Doctor by hessiebell · · Score: 1

    this is fine by me. i love Amy Pond, but i'm still fairly meh about Matt Smith as The Doctor. i've already got his replacement picked: Robert Sheehan. he'd make a great 12th Doctor!

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    1. Re:12th Doctor by JohnBailey · · Score: 1

      this is fine by me. i love Amy Pond, but i'm still fairly meh about Matt Smith as The Doctor. i've already got his replacement picked: Robert Sheehan. he'd make a great 12th Doctor!

      The fuzzy haired guy from Misfits???? At least Matt Smith has finished puberty. Seriously.. There is only one man who would do the part real Justice. JOHNNY VEGAS!! I can just see him being told off by a Chavvy 8 months pregnant battle axe assistant for losing the Tardis in a card game with the Cybermen and the Daleks. It would be Awsome.

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  16. Of course by Exitar · · Score: 1

    "Smith would like to try his hand at Hollywood films"

    He wants easy bucks and hot chicks!

    1. Re:Of course by east+coast · · Score: 1

      Actually, I think in the tradition of Dr. Who, he wants to beat some other old concepts to death through tedious remake after remake. Each of them getting a little worse and a bit more tired. Hollywood seems to do this well as did Dr. Who. I wonder if he's going to go for one of the roles in the next Trek film?

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    2. Re:Of course by mr_lizard13 · · Score: 1

      That redhead he stars opposite is hot enough for me :-)

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  17. Probably worth pointing out... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    Probably worth pointing out this rumour comes from The Sun, a British tabloid not exactly known for it's reliability.

  18. Karen Gillan says Matt is staying by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Doctor Who star Matt Smith is staying put, says Karen Gillan
    Karen Gillan, who plays Doctor Who's assistant, says Matt Smith isn't going to Los Angeles
    Karen Gillan, who plays Amy Pond, the assistant to Matt Smith's Doctor Who, has reassuring news for his fans. The actor isn't about to decamp to Los Angeles.

    "Matt will be sticking around," she told me at the Veuve Clicquot Gold Cup Final at Cowdray Park Polo Club yesterday. "I think those rumours were made up."

    Karen, left, added that she and Smith have started filming the Doctor Who Christmas special, and adds that the atmosphere on the set is "great."

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/mandrake/7897262/Doctor-Who-star-Matt-Smith-is-staying-put-says-Karen-Gillan.html

    1. Re:Karen Gillan says Matt is staying by blair1q · · Score: 1

      Attack of the Google Men.

  19. better matt tahn depp. by leuk_he · · Score: 1

    There is a romour that hollywood wants to make a doctor who movie. J depp is named as a dr who actor (I think Depp would fit the role of the bad guy better, but who am i).

    But if Matt were to play the Hollywood doctor ...

    1. Re:better matt tahn depp. by Lumpy · · Score: 1

      Tom cruise as K-9...

      Matt Damon as Cyberman #47

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  20. But Wait! by RivenAleem · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Does this mean there'll be no Fez? Fez + Bow-tie combo was going to be so badass

    1. Re:But Wait! by easterberry · · Score: 1

      The first doctor wore a fez. It was cool.

  21. Or... by Spad · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Shitty tabloid with history of claiming every Doctor Who star is quitting at the end of the next season claims current Doctor Who star is quitting at the end of the next season.

    1. Re:Or... by jnaujok · · Score: 2, Funny

      Hey, they've managed to get it right 10 times in 32 years of shows...

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    2. Re:Or... by Orange+Crush · · Score: 1

      Ding, ding, ding! We have a winner!
      The rumor came from The Sun. Huge grain of salt, people.

    3. Re:Or... by JWSmythe · · Score: 1

      Aw, come on. People trust in The Sun. Well, as much as they trust in The National Enquirer, Fox News, and The Weekly World News.

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    4. Re:Or... by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      I missed the article. I never manage to get past page three of The Sun.

    5. Re:Or... by blair1q · · Score: 1

      You'd think that people in the entertainment biz would catch wise and start suing such tabloids for theft of publicity.

    6. Re:Or... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ten for thirty-two?

      That's better than the odds your Microsoft Windows ME will stay up for ten days straight without a fault!

  22. I disagree by Picass0 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    You're is a small minority if you're a Who fan and not enjoying the new series. The new show has made efforts to honor the older shows and maintain a reasonable continuity. The storytelling has been solid, a good run of actors... I'm a fan of the older shows too but I don't see any reason to dislike the newer episodes.

    And I hope they can keep Smith on for 3 or 4 seasons. That's the average run for most of the Doctors.

    They're going to need to write around that 13th regeneration limit before long...

    1. Re:I disagree by Improv · · Score: 1, Interesting

      The new series is a remake in the same way the recent Battlestar Galactica is. There may be nods all around, but it doesn't go much beyond that.

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    2. Re:I disagree by Improv · · Score: 1

      Also - one more possible nod in the new series would be to handle the Valeyard. But then, they've diverged far enough from proper continuity that it'd be hard to do it in a way that makes sense.

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    3. Re:I disagree by ehrichweiss · · Score: 1

      The Master got past that limit on regeneration long ago though. And there is speculation that the limit was only artificially created by the governing Time Lords as a means of getting their people to enjoy their lives to the fullest and then move on to death.

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    4. Re:I disagree by yurtinus · · Score: 1

      Correct, the only *true* heir to the Battlestar Galactica dynasty was Galactica 1980!

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    5. Re:I disagree by Diamon · · Score: 1

      Actually it goes rather far beyond that. The Cyberman infostamps in "The Next Doctor" which contained the information the Cybermen had on the Doctor clearly show all the prior series' Doctors (Baker, Pertwee, etc). Sarah Jane Smith has run into the Doctor and recognized him as a regeneration of the Doctor she traveled with (as has K-9). The histories with all the old enemies (Cybermen, Daleks, the Master) have been preserved and continued rather than rebooted.

    6. Re:I disagree by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The new series is a remake in the same way the recent Battlestar Galactica is. There may be nods all around, but it doesn't go much beyond that.

      The new series isn't a remake. It's a direct continuation of the 1963-1989 series (plus 1996 TV movie).

    7. Re:I disagree by delinear · · Score: 1

      I would love to see the Valeyard in the new series, as tortuous as it might be in the current timeline, as a nod of thanks to the older fans. And at least a stab at explaining away (or even just acknowledging) the 13 regeneration limit. I think they've been hinting pretty heavily in the storyline towards the return of the Time Lords at some point, now we know they're not gone for good - and they've put some big hooks in there that they might want to come back to and expand upon, the mysterious woman - mother, grand-daughter, River? Maybe the Valeyard could be the link that brings them back (maybe the Doctor even has to bring them back to answer the questions around the Valeyard) - by the way, did anyone think maybe the episode with the dream master was perhaps heading down this particular path (and maybe still is)?

    8. Re:I disagree by Sparks23 · · Score: 1

      Well, not the Cybermen; the original Cybermen of our universe were evidently destroyed, though we have seen the head of an old Mondas Cyberman in one episode of the new series ('Dalek,' with the Ninth Doctor) so know they once existed. But Cybermen were recreated in an alternate universe ('Rise of the Cybermen'), and then came through to ours ('Army of Ghosts'), and evidently stuck around. Presumably the majority of Cybermen we've seen in the new series are those Cybus Systems ones.

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    9. Re:I disagree by Sparks23 · · Score: 1

      The Tenth Doctor did face the Valeyard (...sort of) in the tie-in comics, in "The Forgotten" story arc. So they've at least had a nod to the Valeyard. Of course, that story arc was entirely about touching on all Doc's previous regenerations, so... :)

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    10. Re:I disagree by bussdriver · · Score: 1

      Smith has been good but to me has gone down a little from the start; I'd like more baker.

      This is minor stuff-- what bothers me is the final season shows and Christmas specials which try to always top or cook up a crazy death of everything and all times and all parallel universes etc.... They stretch that too far and more each time they do it - like a Hollywood sequel... Christmas specials should never actually have anything to do with the holiday (they seemed to have noticed this problem.)

      Its getting too melodramatic and mushy on these story ark endings as well; this last one really pushed it trying to find a way out of an impossible mess at the end with an extremely unlikely trap. Place him into an unmonitored prison cell with his toys-- anyone think of james bond...(or Austin Powers?) Don't get me started on the carebear resolution to it. The magical way they brought back The Master for the end of season 4 was just stupid. (how about a non linear encounter with The Master before he died??)

      Its as if the dramatic situations are the point and the sci-fi is only an after thought and this is becoming too neglected (at least star trek always made an effort on that even if the story sucked) The old doctor series drew from short story sci-fi and even had guest writers- they have had some great new material, don't get me wrong - plenty of rehash room - but some episodes were just messed up-- WW2 planes in space... the UK on an endangered space whale? WTF? (ok, the 1st part of that one was good, but it needed the other half rewritten.)

      PLUS it would be nice if the UK was not the center of the universe! (SOME bias is ok) - the old doctors I watched traveled to more places and I was just fine with all the humanoids and recycled UK sets. There is fan fiction ideas already; plenty of repeating themes to borrow ideas from --- star trek for example! (just spoof trek; everybody would enjoy that better.) At least with a form of history reset they can ignore a lot of previous shows.

    11. Re:I disagree by nine-times · · Score: 1

      I'm not sure that quite works. It's not clear in the Battlestar remake that it's supposed to take place in the same universe as the previous series (though I suppose it could). In Doctor Who, however, they're explicitly claiming that he is the same character as the previous Doctors. It's not a reboot or a remake, but it's supposed to be a continuing story.

      On the other hand, yes, they are going to re-imagine and rewrite some things. They've at least made perfunctory efforts to retcon the changes in. Either way, I don't think there's reason to be snitty about it. I think my nostalgia for the old series adds something to my appreciation of the show, but it's been a good show in its own right.

    12. Re:I disagree by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      well, they've still got another doctor to go before they _really_ need to concern themselves with ol' Boneyard, since he's supposedly "between the twelfth and thirteenth" regeneration (which would seem to suggest he's the 13th doctor... unless they interpret that to mean between incarnations, in which case things get all weird...er...)

      so, plenty of time to make shit up to bring it all back on track.

    13. Re:I disagree by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Spoiler Alert: I'm wondering if they did seeing as how technically you could say the doctor was never born and just spontaneously appeared (with memories) thanks to Amy.

    14. Re:I disagree by Unka+Willbur · · Score: 1

      According to RTD, the mysterious woman was left deliberately mysterious to tickle the fancy of fans, a move I heartily approve of. Personally, I thought she was Romana, in a later regeneration (which would make sense since Romana would likely have still been the President of the High council when Rassilon took over). But, RTD did say that in his mind, the character was The Doctor's mother.

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    15. Re:I disagree by spike1 · · Score: 1

      The original cybermen were probably destroyed in Silver Nemesis (sylvester mccoy story).

    16. Re:I disagree by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I always heard the regeneration limit may have been a law imposed by the Time Lords to keep their society from stagnating. Now that they're gone, there's no reason to follow the rule anymore. This must be the case because The Master had used up all of his regenerations when he was convicted on Scaro at the beginning of the movie. Some time after the movie, he somehow got a new body at least once and regenerated on screen, so the limit must be a law that is no longer enforced.

  23. It's just The Sun by Shrubbman · · Score: 1

    I've seen this rumour flying around all weekend and it all comes from an article published in The Sun, not exactly the epitome of journalistic integrity.

  24. Well, by Aladar · · Score: 1

    So, what now, get another actor that leaves after a season, and wrap the series completely? IIRC, the next will be the last reincarnation, right?

    1. Re:Well, by Threni · · Score: 1

      > IIRC, the next will be the last reincarnation, right?

      Why? Yeah yeah, once upon a time some DR Who writer said there'd be 12, but...well, who cares? Either ignore it (and make a joke of never referring to it, on screen or in interviews), or just come up with an excuse. Dr Who is one of - if not the - longest running show on UK TV, and there's no way that, if it's still popular, they're going to drop the whole franchise because of a throwaway sentence 50 years ago.

    2. Re:Well, by Tetsujin · · Score: 1

      So, what now, get another actor that leaves after a season, and wrap the series completely? IIRC, the next will be the last reincarnation, right?

      No, there's twelve regenerations. The first doctor doesn't count as a "regeneration"... i.e. the fifth doctor identifies himself as the fourth regeneration... So there would be thirteen doctors.

      But, of course, all it takes is one line of script to change that - some simple justification for a thirteenth regeneration.

      The Master, of course, already got around the limit on regenerations, via stolen bodies and at least one regeneration. There have been at least 17 Masters (The rotting corpse Master was "The Master's Final Regeneration" attempting to avoid the curse of fatal death... So the Anthony Ainley stolen-body Master was #14, the guy the Daleks fried in the TV movie was #15, the new Master in the TV movie was #16... Prof. Yana could have been an older #16 or another regeneration, which means Harold Saxon was at least #17...) Of course, the Doctor wouldn't prolong his life by stealing someone else's (hence, Wilfred's still alive) - but they just need an excuse, it doesn't have to make any kind of sense. :)

      If the show's still going strong when we hit Doctor #13, I expect they'll make a big deal of his impending death and try to create suspense over whether he'll regenerate at all... (But, of course, we're bound to get some insight to whether the show will continue...)

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  25. It's a salary negotiation ploy by Dzimas · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Matt Smith's contract gives him a salary of only £200,000 per year - far lower than the estimated £1,000,000 earned by Tennant. He just happened to sign on at exactly the wrong time - the global economic crisis was in full swing, and the BBC (as a public broadcaster) had come under attack for its seemingly extravagant on-air talent salaries. If he can raise his profile enough over the next couple of years to attract serious attention from Hollywood, he can easily earn more than £200,000 from a single film. Let's hope that a reasonable compromise can be met before the second season is up, because the revolving door of doctors is getting tiring.

    1. Re:It's a salary negotiation ploy by nyctopterus · · Score: 1

      Poor guy, only £200,000 a year! Why, he might only be able to afford hookers and blow on the weekends! Oh the humanity!

    2. Re:It's a salary negotiation ploy by Kagato · · Score: 2, Informative

      Tennant had a much longer history as a leading actor. The salary was inline with his stature in the acting community. Smith is younger and didn't have the same chops. He simply couldn't command as much as Tennant.

      As far as Hollywood? No way. He's too goofy looking for the shallow producers he'd have to deal with.

    3. Re:It's a salary negotiation ploy by khb · · Score: 1

      Why are people assuming that hollywood films and a BBC series aren't compatible? There are only 10 or fewer episodes in a typical Beeb production ... leaving lots of time for other work.

    4. Re:It's a salary negotiation ploy by baconjews · · Score: 1

      You haven't checked prices in London lately have you.

      Hint - it's more expensive than Manhattan. Even discounting the exchange rate. A lot more.

      Hint 2: lots of places on Earth cost more than buttfuck nowhere.

    5. Re:It's a salary negotiation ploy by PGOER · · Score: 0

      Sounds like a good business opprotunity, supply vs demand. London obviously needs more supply, so Smith should open a "hookers and blow" side business. "I'm going to open my own Casino with Black Jack and Hookers. On second thought forget about the Black Jack."

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    6. Re:It's a salary negotiation ploy by blair1q · · Score: 1

      If an American show had the ratings and market share that Dr. Who does in blighty, the lead actor would be getting £1,000,000 an episode.

    7. Re:It's a salary negotiation ploy by blair1q · · Score: 1

      He could do a twin act with Conan O'Brien. Ask Adam Sandler if shitty comedy pays.

    8. Re:It's a salary negotiation ploy by DomHawken · · Score: 1

      it's exactly as the poster title suggests - and also based on flimsy news. The global economic crisis is still in full swing, and swinging cuts to the BBC are in full effect, but that doesn't affect the BBC's top programs in the same way that asking Hugh Laurie's agent to take a cut for the next series of house because money's tight would wash. That said - he's not exactly great - check the diminishing viewing figures from the first episode (ignoring the usual peaks), and get over the fact that Doctor Who was a great series that has been re-invented and now is the UK equivalent of watching the lottery on Saturday evening - good - but you wouldn't care if you missed it. It's not something I would tape for the kids to save for the future...

  26. Think of all the hints River had dropped by daveywest · · Score: 1

    In nearly every episode River Song has appeared in, she comments on how young The Doctor appears. It doesn't surprise me that this rumor is making the rounds, and I'd bet Matt was told from the beginning he wouldn't be around too long.

    Too bad though 'cause bow ties are cool!

    1. Re:Think of all the hints River had dropped by easterberry · · Score: 2, Informative

      Well she said the same about Tennant. I think it's more a reference to her knowing the doctor from like... decades/centuries into his future.

    2. Re:Think of all the hints River had dropped by nine-times · · Score: 1

      Yeah, she told the tenth Doctor (Tennant) that he was "as young as I've ever seen you" (or something like that). But then later she meets him as the eleventh Doctor (Smith) who appears much younger. I think it's supposed to be that she knows him well enough that she can tell he's actually older even when he has regenerated to appear as a younger man.

      I'm not just stretching to make things fit, either. I remember thinking that at the time. Like there was some hint in the episode that she can recognize him regardless of regeneration, and she can tell that the meeting the the library is his first encounter with her (from his point of view).

    3. Re:Think of all the hints River had dropped by easterberry · · Score: 1

      Well she knew it was his first encounter in the library because he doesn't know who she is. But she flat out says in the Smith episode that "I have pictures of every single one of your faces" so I'd assume that the pictures are in order.

    4. Re:Think of all the hints River had dropped by monkeythug · · Score: 1

      By all accounts Moffit had originally planned to cast an older actor for his Doctor, to support the River Song story arc, until he was bowled over by Matt's audition. That necessitated a bit of a rethink as I understand it.

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    5. Re:Think of all the hints River had dropped by n+dot+l · · Score: 1

      Yeah, she told the tenth Doctor (Tennant) that he was "as young as I've ever seen you" (or something like that). But then later she meets him as the eleventh Doctor (Smith) who appears much younger.

      The River he met in the library was at the end of her life (unless he goes back and re-downloads her into a body at some point). The River in Time of Angels is a younger River (she chides the Doctor for giving out spoilers when he introduces her as a professor, which she isn't yet). Actually, if I remember correctly, the River in the library actually asks him if they've "done" the crash of the Byzantium yet when she's trying to figure out how far back in his timeline she is.

      The River in The Pandorica Opens is even younger than that, and if the pattern holds the next time we see her she'll be younger yet again.

  27. It's time for a non-white Doctor by lseltzer · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Of course the Doctor will remain a British alien, but there's no reason he has to be white. How about a Indian? Are there any such actors who would do well in this role?

    1. Re:It's time for a non-white Doctor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are weirdly begging for Dev Patel to be posted and I won't have it.

    2. Re:It's time for a non-white Doctor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Patterson Joseph was heavily rumoured to be on a short-list before Matt Smith was announced; after seeing him in Peep Show and a few other things, I think he had the potential to make an excellent doctor.

    3. Re:It's time for a non-white Doctor by DeadDecoy · · Score: 1

      Nah, the next Doctor is going to be a female with big Dalek bumps and the Master as a traveling companion.

    4. Re:It's time for a non-white Doctor by squizzar · · Score: 1

      I concur, I think he would be awesome. Especially if he can transfer some Alan Johnson type persona into the role. "You'll be my Cheech and Chong ... the iron fist in my velvet glove ... the spiky balls on the end of my stick!"

    5. Re:It's time for a non-white Doctor by Aceticon · · Score: 1

      This is not funny but a valid question.

      That said, why Indian?

      How about Chinese, Polinesian, Eskimo, African, Amerindian?

      I'd vote for Polinesian myself.

    6. Re:It's time for a non-white Doctor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      http://image.guardian.co.uk/sys-images/Arts/Arts_/site_furniture/2007/05/16/richardayoade460.jpg

    7. Re:It's time for a non-white Doctor by h4rm0ny · · Score: 1


      So what you're saying, is still not ginger. ;)

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    8. Re:It's time for a non-white Doctor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Who modded this funny? Insightful would be more appropriate.

      In case you don't know; the UK has a sizeable Asian community and as a white person I am extremely proud of the generally tolerant and multi-cultural nature of our society. On the subject of Asian actors maybe someone like Sanjeev Bhaskar would make a good Doctor Who?

      Sanjeev Bhaskar (amongst other Asian actors) rose to prominence in a comedy sketch-show called "Goodness Gracious Me", it was an english language show intended for the UK's Asian community, well it crossed-over and became a mainstream smash and is now regarded amongst the UKs finest comedies full-stop.

    9. Re:It's time for a non-white Doctor by Tetsujin · · Score: 1

      Of course the Doctor will remain a British alien, but there's no reason he has to be white. How about a Indian?

      "Lots of planets have an India, my friend!"

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    10. Re:It's time for a non-white Doctor by the+phantom · · Score: 1

      The Doctor is a very, very British character. A Doctor who is not British just wouldn't work very well---it just wouldn't feel right for the show, or for the fans. Aside from Anglos, Indians are one of the more populous minorities in the UK, hence a British Indian would make perfect sense. A black Doctor could also work. An American Indian, Eskimo, or Polynesian would not really make sense. It might be possible to pull of an east Asian Doctor (Chinese, Japanese, Korean, &c.), but I doubt it.

      NB: Polynesia, with a y. It comes from the Greek: "poly" for many, "nesos" for island. Many islands.

    11. Re:It's time for a non-white Doctor by CommieLib · · Score: 1

      I remember a while back when it was announced that Tennant was leaving, I was chatting with a couple of friends, and I mentioned a rumor of a black Doctor. Everyone grumbled about political correctness. Then I said that it was Chiwetel Ejiofor from Serenity and Redbelt, and their reactions spun 180 degrees into enthusiasm.

      To paraphrase Ratatouille, not everyone could be a great Doctor, but a great Doctor could come from anywhere. Patterson Joseph would be okay...I think Lennie James would be my choice. Having said all of this kumbahya stuff, the Doctor absolutely must be U.K. I won't say "British", because Tennant was Scottish anyhow. Lest anyone accuse my of nativism, I'm actually Texan.

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    12. Re:It's time for a non-white Doctor by cgenman · · Score: 1

      It's not going to happen, but could we get Dileep Rao?
      http://www.imdb.com/name/nm2438307/

    13. Re:It's time for a non-white Doctor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Better yet, how about a woman? Dr. Song looks like she'd be up for it...

    14. Re:It's time for a non-white Doctor by lseltzer · · Score: 1

      Thinking back on this being non-white could present a problem for the Doctor when traveling to the past, especially in some time/places. Maybe this is a good thing for plot options, or perhaps it's a chance for the show to get even more politically preachy than it already is.

    15. Re:It's time for a non-white Doctor by Ralz · · Score: 0

      I don't really see how could he be the doctor when he was already in 2 Dr Who episodes if I'm honest, that would be a bit weird.

      He played Rodrick in the episodes 'Bad wolf' and 'The parting of ways'.

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    16. Re:It's time for a non-white Doctor by mcvos · · Score: 1

      Scotland is still British, just not English. I think Northern Ireland is UK, but not British.

    17. Re:It's time for a non-white Doctor by FoolishOwl · · Score: 1

      That would at least go some way in taking the edge off the British nationalism.

      One thing I miss about the older Doctor Who series was that at least sometimes there were companions and major characters who were not from Earth -- even if they were aliens who conveniently looked and behaved exactly like humans from Earth.

  28. Who, M.D. by raguirre · · Score: 4, Funny

    If this rumour happens to be true, I think it's a good time to nominate Hugh Laurie for the next doctor...

    1. Re:Who, M.D. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      If this rumour happens to be true, I think it's a good time to nominate Hugh Laurie for the next doctor...

      I'm not sure if he'd be able to pull off a British accent though.

    2. Re:Who, M.D. by TheVelvetFlamebait · · Score: 1

      I'm not sure my brain could resolve the unsettling, deep-seeded internal conflict that's bound to arise from seeing a Doctor that looks identical to House. Even imagining such an occurrence is giving me a headache.

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    3. Re:Who, M.D. by kaini · · Score: 0

      Stephen Fry would be better. Stephen Fry would be awesome actually. As long as he kept away from twitter.

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    4. Re:Who, M.D. by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      And then Stephen Fry as his able assistant?

    5. Re:Who, M.D. by Gilmoure · · Score: 1

      Rowan Atkinson as The Master?

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      I drank what? -- Socrates
    6. Re:Who, M.D. by pipedwho · · Score: 1

      I think we have the making of a cast for the 2012 Christmas Special.

  29. Wow... by rickb928 · · Score: 1

    " I've tremendously enjoyed the Smith/Gillan combo personally."

    The Doctor rarely gets so involved with fans. His sidekicks I dunno, though Billie Piper seemed to be a lot of fun UNTIL she met the Doctor. He spoils them all, you know. Something about the Sonic Screwdriver probably. Just a common old screwdriver doesn't seem to make the same impression.

    I wish.

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  30. Doctor's Office by Sponge+Bath · · Score: 1

    I hear Ricky Gervais is looking for work.

  31. It's well known Eccleston only wanted one year by Picass0 · · Score: 1

    It wasn't known if the Who re-launch would even be successful and Eccleston didn't want to get tied down. Over the course of his one season Eccleston and Davies had creative differences (meaning they didn't get along).

  32. Who? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Who is this guy?

    1. Re:Who? by Tetsujin · · Score: 1

      Who is this guy?

      Yes!

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  33. Chiwetel Ejiofor... by Picass0 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    ... was rumored to be on the short list of candidates to follow Tennant. Ejiofor was great in Serenity and Children of Men. He would have been a really great Doctor.

  34. Where's the irony? by evolvearth · · Score: 1

    "Ironically Matt Smith, the youngest Doctor Who ever, apparently wants to retire early"

    Irony... I don't think it means what you think it means.

    1. Re:Where's the irony? by easterberry · · Score: 1

      Actually, since he's so young it would make sense that they could keep him on for longer as he could have more time to age while still being a marketable age to be attractive (since they seem to want an attractive Doctor). Therefore the idea of him leaving early would be ironic.

    2. Re:Where's the irony? by jonom · · Score: 1

      It still wouldn't be irony, irony is sarcasm and that is not a sarcastic statement.

    3. Re:Where's the irony? by Gilmoure · · Score: 1

      Unless it rained on Amy's wedding.

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    4. Re:Where's the irony? by easterberry · · Score: 1

      ESPECIALLY if it rained 10000 spoons while they were trying to cut the cake.

  35. Aasif Mandvi! by aapold · · Score: 1

    HIgh on the heels of his Airbender role, he could.... could... um...

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  36. i love the current doctor by mldi · · Score: 2, Insightful

    In my opinion, he's the best the show has seen. That's a shame that he feels it's beneath him to stay beyond 2 seasons.

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  37. Bizarro-land by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I had been watching Dr Who since the '70's and I was so disappointed with the Matt Smith character, I stopped watching it!!!

  38. Do you actually watch the show? Not a reboot. by Picass0 · · Score: 2, Informative

    Davies made some reboot comments prior to the first season but he was selling it to new viewers at the time. As the show has had four more seasons there have been numerous bridges built to recognize the older shows, including actually showing all of the other TV Who actors in flashback (including Paul McGann). There have been references to older adventures, characters from the older shows (Sarah Jane and K-9, hello?). What the show was sold as initially and what it has become are two different things. The story very clearly is telling the further adventures of the Doctor, not a do-over.

  39. The Valeyard ... by Picass0 · · Score: 1

    ... has a lot in common with "The Dream Lord/Evil Doctor" character introduced this past season. They could merge the two ideas with a bit of creative story telling.

  40. Patterson Joseph by oneiros27 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I don't think I've seen him in anything recently, but his role as the Marquis De Carabas in Neverwhere shows he could pull off an eccentric character ... even if that was 14 years ago.

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  41. Tennant pfff by McTickles · · Score: 0

    Tennant was just horrible, I couldnt stand his bird-like face and his arrogance. I love Matt Smith however... Pity if he leaves...

    1. Re:Tennant pfff by MikeDataLink · · Score: 1

      Interesting... according to BBS polls you are in a very small minority. Tennant is even rated above Tom Baker. That's a tough number to beat.

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    2. Re:Tennant pfff by omnichad · · Score: 1

      BBS polls? I think that puts YOU in the small minority.

  42. Hasn't Matt learnt from the previous doctors? by williamhb · · Score: 1

    They usually leave to "try their hand in the US" or "move on to newer bigger roles" ... and find that without the attention that being the Doctor brings you, their careers take a dive. Eccleston had a brief role in Heroes but is now back in the UK doing mostly theatre. Tennant's US show didn't get picked up. Tom Baker, the most popular of the Doctors in his time, pretty much vanished for ten years after he left. Even Peter Davison (who has had the most successful post-Who career) found himself without a popular role for a couple of years after he left.

    I'd have hoped Matt'd have realised -- being the Doctor is a gift to actors (a fabulously popular role, with the opportunity to be flamboyant, steal every scene, and save the world every week) but it doesn't mean your next role's going to be like that. There aren't many of those roles out there. It you've got one, for goodness sakes milk it and don't worry about being "typecast" because frankly you're typecast from day one in that role.

  43. Rowan Atkinson makes a great Doctor! by ameline · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Have a watch of http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Do-wDPoC6GM

    If you can sit through this without laughing, you should seek professional help.

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    1. Re:Rowan Atkinson makes a great Doctor! by nyctopterus · · Score: 1

      Joanna Lumly and even better one!

      But more seriously, I didn't know Richard E. Grant actually ever played the doctor, except for doing the voice in some internet cartoon a while back. I've always thought he was made for the role.

    2. Re:Rowan Atkinson makes a great Doctor! by oldmac31310 · · Score: 1

      Paul McGann played the Doctor in a TV movie released 1996. He starred opposite Richard E. Grant in Withnail and I. Perhaps that is the source of the confusion here.

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    3. Re:Rowan Atkinson makes a great Doctor! by lennier · · Score: 1

      And The Curse of Fatal Death was of course scripted by the current showrunner, which explains a few things.

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  44. The Valeyard by MikeDataLink · · Score: 1

    The Valeyard turned out to be the Doctor in his thirteenth generation from the series "Trial of a Timelord". Will we see this happen again with the next generation???

    Or will they just act like it never happened?

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    1. Re:The Valeyard by asdf7890 · · Score: 1

      The Valeyard turned out to be the Doctor in his thirteenth generation from the series "Trial of a Timelord". Will we see this happen again with the next generation???

      I think the Valyard was said to be a part that "schismed" from the Doctor at that point. Given how much causality would have been mucked around in the time war that may have been rearranged.

    2. Re:The Valeyard by trevorgensch · · Score: 1

      Exactly right, or as the show described it

      "he is an amalgam of the darker sides of your nature, somewhere between your 12th and final incarnation"

  45. Ginger? by Chrutil · · Score: 1

    Perhaps this time he'll have red hair...

  46. Sean Pertwee by viridari · · Score: 1

    Make it so.

  47. Genres, schmenres... by BrokenHalo · · Score: 1

    Well, whatever genre anyone insists on pigeonholing it into, I personally don't care whether Doctor Who is considered a children's show or not. I can't exactly call myself a Doctor Who geek, but the show probably formed nearly as much of a backdrop for our (British, that is) culture as Monty Python.

    The original William Hartnell version of the Doctor formed one of my earliest memories back in the early '60s, and I followed the show more or less regularly until Tom Baker hung up his scarf.

    The subsequent five incarnations more or less passed me by, but David Tennant revived the persona for me. The first Matt Smith episode left me unconvinced, but once he got into his stride, he did a great job.

  48. sci fi vs fantasy defined by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "To be science fiction, not fantasy, an honest effort at prophetic extrapolation from the known must be made" -- John W. Campbell

    From the man Isaac Asimov (whose quote "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic" you are clearly paraphrasing) called "the most powerful force in science fiction ever", this is the definitive explanation of the dividing line between science fiction and fantasy.

    1. Re:sci fi vs fantasy defined by the+phantom · · Score: 1

      From the man Isaac Asimov (whose quote "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic" you are clearly paraphrasing)

      Clarke said that, not Asimov.

    2. Re:sci fi vs fantasy defined by blair1q · · Score: 1

      Clarke said that, not Asimov.

      Clarke was paraphrasing the monolith.

  49. Just a rumor by radicalpi · · Score: 1

    Gillan has stated that it is just a rumor and Smith has no intentions of leaving

  50. A good start. by Unka+Willbur · · Score: 1

    Now if we can also dump that failure of a "show-runner" Moffat, I can go back to giving Doctor Who a chance again. This first Moffat/Smith season turned me, a life-long Whovian, off to the show completely. A massive turnaround from waiting, with baited-breath for the first download of each week's episode to appear on the net. I found the whole season to be a mis-paced, un-who-like, muddled and emotionless mess.

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    1. Re:A good start. by $RANDOMLUSER · · Score: 1

      Agree completely. Smith is the absolute worst. I've been a Who fan since the early Pertwee days, and the combination of Smith's awfulness and the terrible writing this season has completely turned me off. I feel so sorry for the (potentially) terrific Karen Gillan, having to work with somebody with the emotional range of a sock puppet. The writing is dreadful, the Crack anvils beyond annoying, the new TARDIS a muddled mess. Even the worst of the old Doctors (McCoy, Baker 2) at least had a light in their eyes, like someone was in there, Smith is just a listless and lifeless mannequin. I'd almost rather have that twit from the Fox movie, which I prefer to think of as non-canonical. And I'm amazed at how bad the writing is with Moffat as head writer. Remember, this is the same guy who wrote The Girl in the Fireplace, an episode so good, it was almost TOO good to be a Doctor Who episode. Reading the other comments, I see Smith probably isn't leaving, which I think is a huge pity, as I'm getting the same "this is the beginning of the end" vibe I got half-way through McCoy's run. Let's just have River kill him (DON'T tell me you missed THAT anvil) and get on with a new Doctor.

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    2. Re:A good start. by Unka+Willbur · · Score: 1

      Thoroughly agreed, with this caveat: In regards to the 8th Doctor aka Paul McGann, I used to feel the same, until i got a chance to hear the "radio dramas" in which he starred. Changed my opinion of him completely, Now I love his portrayal, although I can see how someone who has only seen that terrible Fox movie would think otherwise.

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    3. Re:A good start. by Fantastic+Lad · · Score: 1

      I don't blame Smith. I think he's wonderful. I thought the first half of, "The Eleventh Hour" was astonishing.

      It's the writing and the timing of nearly everything else which are so hopelessly stupid. It's like he was trying to jam two seasons of material into one season of footage. Everything was rushed and there was almost no time for character development. Also the casting choices don't work well together. Amy and the Doctor simply don't fit at all.

      What I don't get is how Moffat can go from "The Girl in the Fireplace", "Silence of the Library" and "The Weeping Angels", all of which had marvelous timing, down to drek is astonishing. It's like his ability to understand emotions and love were suddenly turned off.

      But Smith himself is a natural.

      -FL

    4. Re:A good start. by ChunderDownunder · · Score: 1

      I thought his acting in Hornblower was reasonable, though obviously he had little to work given the series was based around Gruffudd and Lindsay.

  51. Give Stephen Fry the job. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Time for an older/wiser doctor again. Matt Smith's Dr. seemed more like Norman Wisdom to me. Just wasn't right.

    1. Re:Give Stephen Fry the job. by wdavies · · Score: 1

      Stephen Fry would be an awesome Dr! I suspect he could be the next Pertwee - the best of all so far.

  52. Crazy Brits by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Doctor Who jumped the shark before sharks were even being jumped in the US!

  53. Regeneration 13 and beyond... by Picass0 · · Score: 1

    There's no shortage of storytelling cheats for giving the Doctor a 14th incarnation and beyond. But like most fans I have a curiosity to see how it will eventually be done.

    The simplest explanation would be to say No Timelords = No limits. The limitation was governed by some mechanism that went away. But how do you make it dramatic and interesting?

    The Doctor would eventually need to deal with the burden that he will be the last living thing in the universe, outlasting even the TARDIS, watching the last star grow cold.

    1. Re:Regeneration 13 and beyond... by damien_kane · · Score: 1

      Another similar one, taking advantage of broken logic (as the show so often does), would be that if the doctor, similar to how we silly apes build buildings, just skips his 13th image altogether and starts fresh into 14.
      Perhaps the timelords put some code in timelord DNA at the exit/destructor loop stating "If current_version == 13 end".
      Simply going from "current_version = 12" to "current_version = 14" would bypass that, and leave us with an infinite loop (unless someday one doctor decides to hardcode himself as unlucky #13)

    2. Re:Regeneration 13 and beyond... by Picass0 · · Score: 1

      It's no sillier than the explanation once given to why the TARDIS is bigger on the inside.

      I think it was Peter Davidson's Doctor that put a large box far away and a small box by the viewer's POV and then says "now you put the big box inside the little one"

      Or transferring memories via head butt.

    3. Re:Regeneration 13 and beyond... by monkeythug · · Score: 1

      That would have been Tom Baker's Doctor talking to Leela. Since Leela was a primitive savage, the Doctor's explanation was as if explaining to a small child.

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  54. Past lives by MadGeek007 · · Score: 0

    No if only we could get David Tennant back...

  55. Hmm... by denzacar · · Score: 1

    I do believe that Amy and River were quite clear on that subject.

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    1. Re:Hmm... by h4rm0ny · · Score: 1


      Doesn't matter. He can buy a Fez.

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  56. Shortest lived doctor? by MadGeek007 · · Score: 0

    Does anyone know who had the shortest stay as the Doctor?

    1. Re:Shortest lived doctor? by $RANDOMLUSER · · Score: 1

      Does anyone know who had the shortest stay as the Doctor?

      Paul McGann - one episode. One episode too many, that is.

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    2. Re:Shortest lived doctor? by oldmac31310 · · Score: 1

      Really? I kind of like him, but the Dr. Who episode/film he was in wasn't much good. Not sure it was really his fault.

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    3. Re:Shortest lived doctor? by vague+disclaimer · · Score: 1
      Paul McGann - one episode. One episode too many, that is.

      One movie (not considered canon by the BBC) and a whole bunch of online adventures (canonical so he gets included in flashbacks and the Doctor Count).

  57. I'd like to see them revisit Susan Foreman. by Picass0 · · Score: 1

    There's a lot of potential to revisit the early days of the Doctor, but one of the big question marks old fans ask is "Granddaughter?"

    The Doctor has said in the new series that he was a dad at one point, so it's certainly possible that Susan really is part of his family from Gallifrey. Was she a Timelord as well? Does everyone on Galifray get to regenerate? The Doctor has said several times he is the last Timelord, so does that mean he believes Susan had died/gone away during the Time War? He believes the rest of his family is dead. Did she return to Earth after The Five Doctors and live the rest of her life in the 22nd century? Could she have grown a TARDIS and traveled?

  58. Tennant is a great stage actor by igb · · Score: 2, Informative
    Precisely. Tennant had done significant work with multiple TV production companies prior to Who, whereas Smith had done a couple of minor things. Tennant would have been been a reasonable casting for the RSC Hamlet even without the Doctor Who role. After all, he'd done multiple, successful seasons at Stratford (Lysander, Romeo, Touchstone: significant, career-building roles). To do Touchstone in the RST at 25 means you're pretty hot stuff (Patrick Stewart was 28 when he did the same thing: it worked out OK for him, too), and if you follow it with a well-received Romeo at 30 you'll be in any RSC director's list of people to call for Hamlet in your late thirties. Decent stabs at Touchstone and Romeo mean you can speak the verse. And his Hamlet proved that he has fantastic speaking skills: he looked top class next to Stewart and Pennie Downie, who are amongst the greats.

    Tennant may not be the greatest British Shakespearian actor of his generation --- Jonathan Slinger probably gets that nod at the moment, after his Richards in 2007/8 --- but he's very, very good and his Hamlet sits alongside Branagh's as one of the best in recent years. Who knows what Tennant will be like in his late sixties, as Patrick Stewart was for his recent Anthony, Prospero, Macbeth and Claudius (with a side-order of Vladimir in Godot) --- I saw all of those bar the Anthony, and he was superb --- but at the moment in his forties the RSC would kill to have Tennant on hand to do Henry V or Richard II. And in ten years' time he's going to be the defining Prospero of the 2020s. The BBC got a bargain for his Who, as he's the first serious actor to take the part.

    By the way, another Who name to watch: Sam Troughton, son of David, grandson of Patrick. Stunning Romeo this year.

    1. Re:Tennant is a great stage actor by Gilmoure · · Score: 1

      Tennant as Henry V? That could be interesting. He definitely has the range. Prospero would be COOL!

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  59. Weak points in an otherwise decent season. by Picass0 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Matt Smith has been very good, and if they could get Tom Baker back for a story nobody would be happier than me. Baker's not likely to return to the show full time but a story or two would kick ass. He's aged a lot since Logopolis, so they'd need to explain that. Baker suggested a few years ago he'd be interested in playing the Master, and that would be extremely cool.

    >>"The magical way they brought back The Master for the end of season 4 was just stupid."

    I watched "End of Time" 1 and 2 in one sitting, so I was a lot happier with it than other people. the way the brought back the Master was goofy, but hardly the worst plot device in Who history. The scene where the Doctor asks the Master to travel the universe with him was great, there was a moment where the Master actually considered it. But mostly John Simm is awesome so any chance for him to return to the show...

    >>"At least with a form of history reset they can ignore a lot of previous shows"

    They gave themselves a big broom to sweep up mistakes with the time crack last season. I doubt they'd completely reset the Who universe, Mofit is such a fan of the older show.

    >>"Its getting too melodramatic and mushy on these story ark endings as well"

    Hey, my wife cried at the end of "Vincent". Some of the shows cater to the female Who fans.

    >>"...WW2 planes in space... the UK on an endangered space whale ..."

      I was more sorry to see them scrap the cool Dalek props they've used for the last four years for the iPod version.

    >>"...it would be nice if the UK was not the center of the universe"

    But that's part of Doctor Who! They're doing new Torchwood episodes and filming much if not all of the season here in the US, and and they did the '96 Who movie here in the US. It doesn't feel right. That's why you can't have a yank play the Doctor, even Johnny Depp. Doctor Who is uniquely British and should always be that way.

    1. Re:Weak points in an otherwise decent season. by pipedwho · · Score: 1

      >>"Its getting too melodramatic and mushy on these story ark endings as well"

      Hey, my wife cried at the end of "Vincent". Some of the shows cater to the female Who fans.

      The ending of Vincent was very emotional (and IMO the best episode of the season), but it didn't have the "bigger better faster stronger more melodramatic" incremental creep that seems to be the current trend.

      It's like an arms race where as the hero gets more 'powerful', so do all the 'monsters'. After a certain point you end up with a stalemate where every man and their dog can cause the whole universe to implode with the flick of a finger. Or worse, the 'mere mortals' suddenly possess uncharacteristic 'advanced' knowledge or super powerful 'alien' weaponry. All in a feeble attempt to get the audience to see them as more significant than the story would otherwise imply.

      There is no clear formula that relates the number of people killed (or the size of the explosion) with the emotional impact. Some of the most powerful story telling is done with only a few characters. Their interrelationships and circumstances are what create the emotional power behind the story.

    2. Re:Weak points in an otherwise decent season. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If they did have an American Doctor, would we have to rename it the R.E.T.A.R.D.I.S?

    3. Re:Weak points in an otherwise decent season. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just FYI, the 1996 Who movie was filmed in Vancouver, British Columbia, not in the US.

    4. Re:Weak points in an otherwise decent season. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >>"...it would be nice if the UK was not the center of the universe

      Oh yes definitely. I am shocked that a tv company would tailor its programmes to its primary market in such a xenophobic manner. Shocked I tell you. They should really give some other country a chance at the Scifi spotlight, the USA maybe...

  60. Of course! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Shahrukh Khan

    /me runs away as fast as possible

  61. Oh Well... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hey, this might be a good excuse to bring Eccleston back. I rather enjoyed his version of The Doctor.

  62. Past its sell-by date by Animats · · Score: 1

    It's time for the '60s and 70s's SF shows to die. Enough of Star [Trek|Wars], Dr. Who, Battlestar Galactica, Astro Boy, etc. We need to move forward.

    (Also, enough with the "Chosen One" movies. You know, the "Teenage boy discovers he has an Inherent Magical Power which gives him a Destiny to Do Great Things" genre. This year alone, that concept has been beaten to death in "The Last Airbender", "Sorcerer's Apprentice", and "Percy Jackson and The Olympians".)

    1. Re:Past its sell-by date by Beyond_GoodandEvil · · Score: 1

      (Also, enough with the "Chosen One" movies...)
      I agree we need more boy meets girl, boy loses girl, boy goes on silly adventure to regain girl movies, those are the cats' pajamas!

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    2. Re:Past its sell-by date by blair1q · · Score: 1

      1. You didn't watch enough Firefly. That's why it died. Don't bitch that we have too much Trek when you won't support new skiffy. (I'm looking at you, America).

      2. Every movie is about "Teenage boy discovers he has an Inherent Magical Power which gives him a Destiny to Do Great Things" -- check that: every story. Since like The Odyssey. Clue: what all these stories are telling you is your magical power is growing up and not waiting for someone else to do things for you that you can do yourself.

      3. The problem with creating "new skiffy" is that there aren't many ideas left to skiffize. You're going to end up with space ships, time warps, phasers, and a plethora of bizarre alien foes no matter where you take your trope.

      4. We need to resurrect the Lensmen. I want to see entire planets inerting into battlespace at near-lightspeed local velocity and crashing into Eddorians. In 3-D.

    3. Re:Past its sell-by date by h4rm0ny · · Score: 1


      I totally agree with your post, with the exception of Doctor Who. Basically because I like it. :)

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  63. SW Holiday Special - THANKSGIVING not Xmas by Picass0 · · Score: 1

    SW Holiday Special air date was Nov. 17, 1978 - six days before Thanksgiving. It was not, as many believe, a Christmas show.

  64. That's what they said about Tennant by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    When there were rumors about David Tennant leaving they were quickly contradicted.

  65. Fezes are cool. by Picass0 · · Score: 1

    TSIA

  66. Re:People always think they can do better don't th by cgenman · · Score: 1

    Most actors who get "that one amazing role" never do anything else. Typecast or not doesn't matter. The fall of the dice is against a single breakout hit translating into a stardom career.

    Is it "typecasting?" Harrison Ford and John Travolta have had their share of typeroles, but have done very well overall. Sharon Stone, on the other hand, has had to prove that she's not just that Basic Instinct woman, and can actually act. Mark Hamill is firmly set in people's minds as Luke Skywalker, except for the millions who know him as the voice of the Joker. Robert Englund never got away from Freddy, but he has had a great run of it.

    A lot of actors have translated a successful single role into a long and successful career. I'm sure Leonard Nimoy et / al would like to be respected as actors in their own rights and see a career bloom outside of what they did 40 years ago. But they've also traveled the world, hobnobbed with other famous people, and lived full, rich lives. Most actors just wind up working in parking lots or corporate security. Compared to the risks of being typecast, the risks of fading away into the working actors stiffs seems so much more frightening.

  67. Isn't regeneration just part of the show? by JSBiff · · Score: 1

    Have many Drs. stuck around long? Chris Eccleston was only around for one series (shame, I had just warmed to him and really started to like him as The Doctor, and he goes and regenerates). Tennant was around longer, but only what, 3 series? If Matt Smith's been around for 2 series, and is working on a 3rd, I'd say his natural shelf-life is about up, isn't it?

  68. Doctor Who is totally original meta-story. by Fantastic+Lad · · Score: 1

    Welcome to the land of "Old." (As in, you.)

    There's a shockingly small number of actual different stories, (I can't remember the exact number, but it's somewhere around 4 or maybe 8).

    Basically, everything has been done. The only new ideas are based on format and style, and most of those are just ones which haven't been used in a long enough while that they seem new when they get rediscovered.

    I don't disagree with you, though. I find I've seen so much pattern that when I come across something I'm not able to map out from the first twenty pages, (or the first five minutes), I'm super-elated!

    The only exception I'd drop in there is Doctor Who. I didn't think very highly of this last season, (Moffat did some neat things, but mostly fumbled the ball a whole lot), but the story of one man's journey as a Time Lord is really neat to see unfold through half a century and 11 psychological profiles and dozens of friends. There's something truly epic and kind of meta-story about it. It's quite an original experiment in that sense.

    -FL

    1. Re:Doctor Who is totally original meta-story. by h4rm0ny · · Score: 1

      There's a shockingly small number of actual different stories, (I can't remember the exact number, but it's somewhere around 4 or maybe 8).

      I believe you may be recalling the statement from George Orwell's 1984 where a character working in the government's fiction department remarks "they only have six plots, but they swap them about a bit". The comment was meant to be a cynical one about their creativity, not to be taken as some sort of authoritative statement on the fundamentals of storytelling. Joseph Campbell has a lot to answer for.

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  69. Warning! by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 1

    Warning! For my fellow Americans, who have not yet seen the season finale, don't read the last paragraph in the linked article.

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    1. Re:Warning! by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 1

      I has a sad :(

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  70. Roald Dahl by Draconix · · Score: 1

    If children can handle Roald Dahl's work, they can handle anything Doctor Who throws at them, and I feel sorry for any kid, British, American, or otherwise English-native speaking who didn't grow up on Roald Dahl's work.

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  71. Re:God awful writing by Fantastic+Lad · · Score: 1

    This is a totally fair comment.

    The writing made a deliberate effort to dis-empower the Doctor. It seemed that every second character was giving the Doctor back-talk, and rightly so! He was making mistakes. He even lost a child in one episode! It was weird to see him in a state of weakness throughout. -Not un-interesting, but certainly not what is expected from the Doctor.

    But that's not my problem with the last season. I thought the timing was lousy, (everything was so rushed and there was no time for character development), and the character chemistry was awful! Compare Donna and Ten's interaction at any point on their relationship to Amy and Eleven. Amy is like Martha for me; it seems forced and forgettable. The 10 year-old Amy and the Doctor are far more entertaining to watch. I almost wish the Doctor could have been traveling with the kid instead, and have abandoned the whole love tension nonsense which Moffat is apparently incapable of writing in a believable way.

    I miss Rose and her family. That was silly, but far more believable and engaging.

    -FL

  72. It's the SUN. by imtheguru · · Score: 1

    You've been trolled. The SUN writes all kinds of gossip to stir up shit and sell a few rags. Specific to Doctor Who, they ran the exact story in 2006 and 2007 iirc.

    Tennant set to quit as Dr Who | The Sun
    Dec 28, 2006 ... DR Who star David Tennant is to quit the show ? leaving BBC bosses looking for their 11th Timelord, The Sun can reveal. ... www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/showbiz/tv/article77137.ece

    Someone might be able to find the other articles.

    Cheers.

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  73. "early?" by srothroc · · Score: 1

    I don't see how this is early, if you look at the record of the modern Doctor Who franchise. Paul McGannis lasted all of one TV movie; Christopher Eccleston lasted for one year, and then David Tennant lasted for three. So Matt Smith at two would hardly be "early" -- just sooner than Tennant. Also, as pointed out before, The Sun is hardly the most reliable source.

  74. Will the real Matt Smith stand up??? by master_p · · Score: 1

    I mean this one.

    He would be an excellent Doctor!!!

  75. "BOW TIES ARE COOL" (Damn Straight!) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Thanks for the info. TheWanderingHermit. As to the rest of you rumor mongering paparazzi internet falsehood propogating beyotches that very nearly upset me upon reading this headline here today with its now shown to be false nature? See subject-line above!

    Yes, I liked Christopher Eccleston quite a lot, as he actually put The Good Doctor back on the level of the legendary Tom Baker (the master of lunacy himself as far as Dr. Who's over time IMO), and then along came David Tennant to steal the show from C. Eccleston to "steal the show" on that account right off the bat no less, outdoing he in the area of "Doctorish Zaniness" yet again... and I think, per my subject-line above as 1 example thereof above, is that Mr. Smith here is on his way to doing so yet again even from Mr. D. Tennant himself.

    So per my subject line above again once more? Bowties ARE COOL, and hopefully we can now be assured they will stay so.

  76. Smith is the worst doctor. by krap · · Score: 1

    Smith is pathetic, Tennant was brilliant.

  77. Nah, dump him by Eclipse-now · · Score: 1

    I say we approach Adam Carter to play the Doctor! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adam_Carter

  78. Just so long as the new one is Ginger... by BlueCoder · · Score: 1

    And maybe it's time the doctor was a woman....

  79. Fake Who by dugeen · · Score: 1

    Doctor Who finished in 1989. McGann, Eccleston, Tennant and Smith are just impostors in a dreadful remake with all the dramatic depth of a skip full of crumpled-up Christmas wrapping paper.

  80. I don't get what people see in the new Doc combo. by TheRealRainFall · · Score: 1

    I've been a fan since the series has been restarted up and this Doctor is by far the worst. Karen is clearly the worst Who girl while being one of the cutest in a girl next door way. The fact that they had to take a year off sort of reinforces my thoughts. They were simply out of material and quality writing and had to brainstorm. The acting, scripts, and delivery of the scripts has been off the charts cheesy. Yes, i realize this is a kids show but it's just been sorely lacking. I think we saw the end of the downfall with the last few episodes of the previous season. They just seem to be a ^C^V^ amalgamation of other stories we've seen a thousand times.

  81. Sing with the Ood children! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I love doctor who and all, but I really wish they'd cut it with the chior sound-track, really wrecks any scene they slather it over the top of. Bloody Ood. That and Catherine Tate STILL needs to be shot, or at least erased from history somehow so I can sleep at night again.