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... besides speedier search and better eye candies? If I still continue to file my documents according to my folders and sub-folders and sub-sub-folders, I only search once in a blue moon. What does XP SP2 not have that I needed badly in Longhorn?
And does the eye candies slow the machine down? Or maybe not since Intel and AMD would have spanking new processors by release time (end 2006 or 2007?) and maybe 1GB RAM as minimum for satisfactory performance.
Honestly, now with 512 RAM on a brand new notebook (Pentium M) just bought a month ago running XP SP2, I don't get the snappy feel of the menus. Don't tell me I need to fine-tune it for "max performance" and go back to classic win9x menus.
I am quite disturbed whenever someone uses "i.e." during a conversation and pronounce it literally as "i.e." (eye yee) rather than "that is", and worse, he uses many "eye yees" when talking. I have heard senior management staff doing that in opening addresses or in conversation with employees.
I think pronouncing "that is" in conversation is more correct.
why is a corporate firewall not considered? put all your servers behind this firewall in a DMZ. your first priority is a corporate firewall, server/pc-based firewall is secondary concern.
a corporate firewall is not necessary expensive, and you get to choose among brands like checkpoint, watchguard, cisco pix, etc, etc. of course, you can also use linux and build your own free one in an old box...
...we might be using Machintoshes as PCs now. So, why not? It's never too late to start... but how long will it take before we get 50% Apple and 50% Windows market share?
the bar reduces my screen real estate further. the problem with bars in netscape/mozilla/firefox is that the bar cannot be shifted like in IE, so that i can have >= 2 partial bars stacked in one row.
i am no programmer, and i know the development platform or widget or whatever you call it that is used in mozilla is different than in IE. but i would like the bars in mozilla/firefox that are movable and stackable.... one menu bar, one back/forward bar, and one bookmark/link bar is the maximum i can stand.
1) think of a system to create your password for different classes of things (eg, banking, personal accts, office accts, mailing lists, misc).
2) write down in a spreadsheet in some 'truncated' manner (eg, 1st and last character of password). not just anywhere, and encrypt file with a good password that you make sure will remember.
I have mentioned this b4 in other threads, and I will mention this again. Can the Mozilla team in charged of Thunderbird include tabs (for e-mail, contacts, etc) for this email reader? Something like Lotus Notes R5 and above. This will align with Firefox's use of tabs for multiple web pages.
i haven't really searched the web on this, whether there already exists an open standard, but i think the road block to calendaring is there is no open standard for it.
just like we have imap4/pop3/smtp for emails, we need something for calendar services, for sending out invites, receiving invites, converting invites into an entry in a calendar. otherwise, it's always exchange/outlook, domino/notes, and plugins to these 2 proprietry standards.
plugins to these proprietry standards will not help much. they just extend them.
I must say that I like the WinXP Luna UI among the many from Win95 to Win2000. But this only pertains the Windows Explorer & Internet Explorer. Luna has mainly flattened the text blanks, dialog boxes and buttons to give it a very modern feel. After using this for a while, I find the classic feel (3D buttons, 3D dialog boxes, etc) ugly.
M$ however didn't extend this to Office XP fully. As far as the toolbar buttons on Office XP is concerned, M$ uses "blue highlight" for a depressed-button vs the "bright-highlight" on Windows/Internet Explorer. This is still acceptable. But Office 2003 is worse. With the.Net-style interface, toolbars are ugly tubes and depressed-buttons are highlighted in orange. I wonder what happens in Longhorn. Think of all the changes from Office 4 to Office 2003.
Not to mention many 3rd party software manufacturer use a myraid of different UI widgets when writing applications for Windows XP.
I am still glad that my favourite applications like Mozilla suite (classic theme), Firefox, Thunderbird, Openoffice 2.0 beta look quite consistent and pleasing to the eye. In particularly OOo2beta. In pre-beta versions, it uses the "ugly tube" as toolbars. Now it is so much nicer.
Thanks. But this delayed mechanism may not be acceptable to general users. We (IT users) may understand the rationale behind. But in order for FF to be accepted widely, the "automatic update" or "check for update" should work before any announcement of such updates.
Seems like TB1.0 is being neglected. It doesn't have much features that can distinguish itself from the usual crowd: Outlook, Outlook express, eudora, etc..
And it does not have tabs. I would like the next update to Thunderbird to include tabbed-mailing, something like tabbed-browsing, but the tabs will contain emails, new email (ie, while composing), person address, new person address, etc, like Lotus Notes R5 client.
I don't see the point of creating yet another tld. It just creates another mad rush to register the domains under them. And who is doing this? The poor network admin.
A company will already have its.com domain, and probably several others for brand/product differentiation. With this new tld, clueless management will ask the network guy to register "whatever we have" under them. And don't forget, new DNS entries, etc, etc.
Exactly. I hate the Office2003 bluish tube toolbars. How can I change its color to gray that blends well with the rest of Windows apps, much like OfficeXP's grey flat toolbars? Pls don't tell me to revert back to Windows Classic.
Totally agree. I always go back to Windows, and my linux partition (mandrake 10.1, btw) is collecting dust. I just can't get the fonts to work right, especially on the browser (mozilla 1.8 alpha, self-installed; I dumped the one that came with it). It is too fat or too skinny, and it's not anti-aliased like the rest of the desktop. I can't stand browsing the web with such unpleasant fonts. And the first thing I start is my browser when I boot my PC.
Why does Office XP/2003 allows tabs of more than 1 document to show up in the task bar itself? They followed WordPerfect Office which shows multiple documents in its own WordPerfect main window. This is exactly tabbed browsing. (I don't know which started it first: WordPerfect or Mozilla or some other applications.)
Remember the old days when there were no tabs and we need to pull down the window menu and select a different opened document in Word/Excel/Presentation? Now you go to the Windows Task bar, and you click on those tabs.
Another example: Lotus Notes R5 and above. Different emails, calendar entries, etc, are all tabbed in the Notes client main window, with unrestricted number of opened documents. Back in R4, we need to pull down window menu to switch, and then it had a max number of opened windows that can be opened. It's like 7.
Now that I have switched jobs, and my new work place uses Exchange, I sorely miss this feature. When will Exchange provide me tabs to switch between opened emails?
Why do you need to fight? Probably you do not have a policy on proper email usage, or even one on using any company properties (network and email services are company property). You cannot allow your users to choose what they like. They either use it even if they don't like it, or they learn to like what they use or they join another company which uses Exchange/Outlook.
So, quickly create your email policy if you don't have one already, publish onto the employee intranet. Remember to add a clause that says disciplinary actions will be meted out to those who do not comply to this policy or who abuses/sabatages the system, and make sure you enforce this policy by punishment (like email account disabled for 3 working days).
Was it Lotus SmartSuite or WordPerfect Office? I thought IBM bought the Ami Pro wordprocessor over and bundled it with Lotus 1-2-3?
By the way, IBM is really not doing enough for Lotus Notes since it bought Lotus. After they bought Lotus, they converted their own mail system to Notes (they ate their dog food, which was right). I don't see why they should dump Notes internally. What are they going to use? WorkPlace? Can Workplace do what Notes are doing?
And if Notes is keeping them to convert their clients to Linux, why not a Linux client for Notes? They have an OS X client, which is effectively BSD, and in turn, effectively Unix-like.
Finally, IBM should really intensify their marketing and show the big corporations how WorkPlace, Domino/Notes and Websphere (their flagship application server), and DB2 are _the_ products to use.
This seems a general problem with OSS or other free software. It's menu bars and interface is not familiar to those Windows users, and requires lots of efforts to customize it to look like one. People (esp. the Windows users) are used to movable menu/tool bars, small icons, etc. Can Mozilla Firefox come with small icons by default?
And on this note, Office 2003 come with bluish tool bars, new set of icons (vs Office XP). I haven't tried OpenOffice 2.0 beta (the fortnightly builds). I hope OpenOffice 2.0 will have that too, or something that looks like that, so that users that attempt to try/switch will at least find it familiar.
Those non-CS background IT programmers typically program just sufficient to make things work. They don't care about data structures, complexity (things like big-O), scalability, etc, which is important to produce efficient code, when handling huge amount of production data. This is especially true in corporate settings when they want to deploy their projects fast to the end-users.
I don't mean that programmers with CS background will always do a better job, but at least they get formal CS training over a 3- or 4-year period, which cannot be comprehensively taught by a 1-year conversion course, assuming that these non-CS background people attempted to do such a course in the first place to 'convert' themselves.
Agree. Also, when I right-click on a tab, the "Close Tab" in Mozilla is right on top and I am so used to this, while "Close Tab" in Firefox (.8, I havent tried.9) is somewhere down in the middle. Why can't Firefox right-click menu options be the same as Mozilla in this aspect?
Also, firefox preferences menu is too simplistic (ok, granted, it's meant to be simpler and smaller than Mozilla).
I have on many occasions tried to surf the Net with Firefox, but still eventually, I come back to Mozilla.
I think instead of copying XP interface, we should copy Longhorn instead? I know Longhorn is still 2 or 3 years away, but by the time Xpde goes 1.0, will longhorn be in beta already?
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... besides speedier search and better eye candies? If I still continue to file my documents according to my folders and sub-folders and sub-sub-folders, I only search once in a blue moon. What does XP SP2 not have that I needed badly in Longhorn?
And does the eye candies slow the machine down? Or maybe not since Intel and AMD would have spanking new processors by release time (end 2006 or 2007?) and maybe 1GB RAM as minimum for satisfactory performance.
Honestly, now with 512 RAM on a brand new notebook (Pentium M) just bought a month ago running XP SP2, I don't get the snappy feel of the menus. Don't tell me I need to fine-tune it for "max performance" and go back to classic win9x menus.
What about in a conversation?
I am quite disturbed whenever someone uses "i.e." during a conversation and pronounce it literally as "i.e." (eye yee) rather than "that is", and worse, he uses many "eye yees" when talking. I have heard senior management staff doing that in opening addresses or in conversation with employees.
I think pronouncing "that is" in conversation is more correct.
why is a corporate firewall not considered? put all your servers behind this firewall in a DMZ. your first priority is a corporate firewall, server/pc-based firewall is secondary concern.
a corporate firewall is not necessary expensive, and you get to choose among brands like checkpoint, watchguard, cisco pix, etc, etc. of course, you can also use linux and build your own free one in an old box...
...we might be using Machintoshes as PCs now. So, why not? It's never too late to start... but how long will it take before we get 50% Apple and 50% Windows market share?
how will he name it? and if it's a prequel trilogy again, would it be Episodes -III, -II, -I or Episodes -II, -I, 0?
the bar reduces my screen real estate further. the problem with bars in netscape/mozilla/firefox is that the bar cannot be shifted like in IE, so that i can have >= 2 partial bars stacked in one row.
i am no programmer, and i know the development platform or widget or whatever you call it that is used in mozilla is different than in IE. but i would like the bars in mozilla/firefox that are movable and stackable.... one menu bar, one back/forward bar, and one bookmark/link bar is the maximum i can stand.
1) think of a system to create your password for different classes of things (eg, banking, personal accts, office accts, mailing lists, misc).
2) write down in a spreadsheet in some 'truncated' manner (eg, 1st and last character of password). not just anywhere, and encrypt file with a good password that you make sure will remember.
I have mentioned this b4 in other threads, and I will mention this again. Can the Mozilla team in charged of Thunderbird include tabs (for e-mail, contacts, etc) for this email reader? Something like Lotus Notes R5 and above. This will align with Firefox's use of tabs for multiple web pages.
i haven't really searched the web on this, whether there already exists an open standard, but i think the road block to calendaring is there is no open standard for it.
just like we have imap4/pop3/smtp for emails, we need something for calendar services, for sending out invites, receiving invites, converting invites into an entry in a calendar. otherwise, it's always exchange/outlook, domino/notes, and plugins to these 2 proprietry standards.
plugins to these proprietry standards will not help much. they just extend them.
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I must say that I like the WinXP Luna UI among the many from Win95 to Win2000. But this only pertains the Windows Explorer & Internet Explorer. Luna has mainly flattened the text blanks, dialog boxes and buttons to give it a very modern feel. After using this for a while, I find the classic feel (3D buttons, 3D dialog boxes, etc) ugly.
.Net-style interface, toolbars are ugly tubes and depressed-buttons are highlighted in orange. I wonder what happens in Longhorn. Think of all the changes from Office 4 to Office 2003.
M$ however didn't extend this to Office XP fully. As far as the toolbar buttons on Office XP is concerned, M$ uses "blue highlight" for a depressed-button vs the "bright-highlight" on Windows/Internet Explorer. This is still acceptable. But Office 2003 is worse. With the
Not to mention many 3rd party software manufacturer use a myraid of different UI widgets when writing applications for Windows XP.
I am still glad that my favourite applications like Mozilla suite (classic theme), Firefox, Thunderbird, Openoffice 2.0 beta look quite consistent and pleasing to the eye. In particularly OOo2beta. In pre-beta versions, it uses the "ugly tube" as toolbars. Now it is so much nicer.
Thanks. But this delayed mechanism may not be acceptable to general users. We (IT users) may understand the rationale behind. But in order for FF to be accepted widely, the "automatic update" or "check for update" should work before any announcement of such updates.
i would like to know whether it comes with toolbars with blue color. if it does, it sucks. just like the look of office2003 sucks.
but i spend almost all my browsing time with firefox anyway.
And it does not have tabs. I would like the next update to Thunderbird to include tabbed-mailing, something like tabbed-browsing, but the tabs will contain emails, new email (ie, while composing), person address, new person address, etc, like Lotus Notes R5 client.
A company will already have its .com domain, and probably several others for brand/product differentiation. With this new tld, clueless management will ask the network guy to register "whatever we have" under them. And don't forget, new DNS entries, etc, etc.
Exactly. I hate the Office2003 bluish tube toolbars. How can I change its color to gray that blends well with the rest of Windows apps, much like OfficeXP's grey flat toolbars? Pls don't tell me to revert back to Windows Classic.
Totally agree. I always go back to Windows, and my linux partition (mandrake 10.1, btw) is collecting dust. I just can't get the fonts to work right, especially on the browser (mozilla 1.8 alpha, self-installed; I dumped the one that came with it). It is too fat or too skinny, and it's not anti-aliased like the rest of the desktop. I can't stand browsing the web with such unpleasant fonts. And the first thing I start is my browser when I boot my PC.
Why does Office XP/2003 allows tabs of more than 1 document to show up in the task bar itself? They followed WordPerfect Office which shows multiple documents in its own WordPerfect main window. This is exactly tabbed browsing. (I don't know which started it first: WordPerfect or Mozilla or some other applications.)
Remember the old days when there were no tabs and we need to pull down the window menu and select a different opened document in Word/Excel/Presentation? Now you go to the Windows Task bar, and you click on those tabs.
Another example: Lotus Notes R5 and above. Different emails, calendar entries, etc, are all tabbed in the Notes client main window, with unrestricted number of opened documents. Back in R4, we need to pull down window menu to switch, and then it had a max number of opened windows that can be opened. It's like 7.
Now that I have switched jobs, and my new work place uses Exchange, I sorely miss this feature. When will Exchange provide me tabs to switch between opened emails?
So, quickly create your email policy if you don't have one already, publish onto the employee intranet. Remember to add a clause that says disciplinary actions will be meted out to those who do not comply to this policy or who abuses/sabatages the system, and make sure you enforce this policy by punishment (like email account disabled for 3 working days).
Was it Lotus SmartSuite or WordPerfect Office? I thought IBM bought the Ami Pro wordprocessor over and bundled it with Lotus 1-2-3?
By the way, IBM is really not doing enough for Lotus Notes since it bought Lotus. After they bought Lotus, they converted their own mail system to Notes (they ate their dog food, which was right). I don't see why they should dump Notes internally. What are they going to use? WorkPlace? Can Workplace do what Notes are doing?
And if Notes is keeping them to convert their clients to Linux, why not a Linux client for Notes? They have an OS X client, which is effectively BSD, and in turn, effectively Unix-like.
Finally, IBM should really intensify their marketing and show the big corporations how WorkPlace, Domino/Notes and Websphere (their flagship application server), and DB2 are _the_ products to use.
And on this note, Office 2003 come with bluish tool bars, new set of icons (vs Office XP). I haven't tried OpenOffice 2.0 beta (the fortnightly builds). I hope OpenOffice 2.0 will have that too, or something that looks like that, so that users that attempt to try/switch will at least find it familiar.
Those non-CS background IT programmers typically program just sufficient to make things work. They don't care about data structures, complexity (things like big-O), scalability, etc, which is important to produce efficient code, when handling huge amount of production data. This is especially true in corporate settings when they want to deploy their projects fast to the end-users.
I don't mean that programmers with CS background will always do a better job, but at least they get formal CS training over a 3- or 4-year period, which cannot be comprehensively taught by a 1-year conversion course, assuming that these non-CS background people attempted to do such a course in the first place to 'convert' themselves.
>And making it possible to use the address bar to search from Google, *not* MSN
Download google bar, and set google the default search engine under options, and you can type into the IE's Address bar to search.
Also, firefox preferences menu is too simplistic (ok, granted, it's meant to be simpler and smaller than Mozilla).
I have on many occasions tried to surf the Net with Firefox, but still eventually, I come back to Mozilla.
I think instead of copying XP interface, we should copy Longhorn instead? I know Longhorn is still 2 or 3 years away, but by the time Xpde goes 1.0, will longhorn be in beta already?