The judge made the ruling that making your files available to download by P2P does not constitute infringement.
Downloading is already legal for personal use.
Basically if I emailed you a copyrighted mp3, I would be guilty of distribution...however, if YOU connect to my machine and download a song off of it, then I'm not uploading or distributing, therefore its legal.
I don't have a link, but a governement website once gave this example regarding the subject:
1 - if *I* copy a CD and give it to you, that's infringement (its considered as distributing a copyrighted work)
2 - if *YOU* borrow the CD from me, and *YOU* copy it for personal use, that's not considered distribution of a copyrighted work and is considered legal.
The judge ruled that sharing a file on P2P was more akin to example 2.
so ethics are proportional to actions you support.
No, but they aren't proportional to what you say in MEDIA INTERVIEW either. They are represented by your actions...basically this guy thought he was doing a good thing paying off SCO (either from a lack of intelligence or a darker motives, I don't know and frankly I don't care) and now he's being slammed because of it so he's *sniff* sowwy...
Saying you're sorry ain't enough...if he's really ethical, he'll find a way to DO something to make it right.
I don't think that action HAS to be in support of linux mind you (though it would be nice)...but something significant to back up those words.
Almost always the first thing out of their mouth once you've explained the problem is "When you right-click 'My Network'..." at which point you cut in with "I don't run Windows".
I've learned to avoid that one because in most companies around here and until recently my ISP, saying "I don't run Windows" would get the response: "I'm sorry, but you really aren't able to use our service or access the net without Windows" and all attempts at solving my problem would stop.
Customer support at HP of all places would NOT answer my questions until I had used the DAMN RESTORE CDS to wipe out my linux partitions (I was calling about a faulty AC adapter), saying "We don't support linux at all on this laptop, only windowsXP, please use your Restore CDs and call again if the problem isn't solved"
My fiancee had never HEARD of linux until we met and now she's trying to use it (but still strongly favors Windows when its been a couple of days between crashes). She only knew Apple and Mac and Office in both.
The best compliment I got tho, was when my dad showed off a new company laptop running WindowsXP (a PIII 1.6 Ghz with 256M of ram) and later that evening I had to use my own old lappy (a P2-333 with 192Megs of Ram) in Linux and he said "Wow, I wish MY laptop responded as fast as your does!"
Since then, he's been easing towards letting me put linux on his home PC...he's still not QUITE convinced...but he's asking questions and getting curious.
For us, they start at the stated start time. So a movie that's scheduled at 7, will usually start at 7h15-7h20.
I mean, they wonder why we don't go see movies anymore?
1 - The price of a damn ticket w/popcorn is more than I'll pay if I way 3 months and BUY the damn DVD! 2 - I *STILL* have to put up with commercials.. 3 - Asshole kids with cellphones and/or laser pointers.
I just got broken into THIS week. Chickensh*t *sshole thieves took computer equipment and some of my SO's sentimental stuff. Could have been worse (about 5Gs worth), they got interrupted.
The police did NOTHING. Even though we had items dropped that only the punks could have touched, they wouldn't look at them or print them.
Their response..."we don't investigate stuff like this...if we did that, we'd never go home at night!"
Oh boohoo! So I said "basically you're saying its ok they get away with this..."
Answer: "Yup, unless someone catches them in the act or we catch them doing something bigger, we won't look for them, talk to your insurance"
I've done the local pawnshops and been told to get lost...
I'm talking to an insurance "auditor" next week...I can't wait to see how THAT goes.
I wonder why I pay taxes, cuz I sure don't feel like I'm getting my money's worth
Developpers would slowly but surely stop developping new ideas for fear of being fined/sued/thrown in jail. OSS would trickle to almost a halt.
Microsoft would be hurt as well, but as someone above said, with its connections and deep pockets, it could more than sustain and ignore the slap on the wrist it would get with each violation.
In the end, users would get fewer choices without substantially more secure software.
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Is the web archive going to get sued (or arrested) now?
And if that "Created from scratch.." line is from the original website...can't say the guy earned 300Gs:)
At my office, we are using a non-standard email client that doesn't allow execution of code in any way and we still got nailed.
why?
The moron in the next cubicle (a PROGRAMMER no less) did this:
1) viewed the email (after receiving 5 memos specifically saying to just delete it) 2) clicked on the attachment 3) selected save as 4) opened up explorer, went LOOKING for the attachement 5) executed it by doubleclicking.
I mean seriously! his defense when confronted? "Well I wasn't sure...so...hum...we'll I wouldn't have done that at home!"
Well the way I put it on the guy's fifth follow up phone call to urge me to reconsider:
"So basically you're saying that my earning power for you is essentially on a 24/7 basis...so that means that I essentially work for you 24/7.
So, if you want me to sign that 2 year contract...you'll need to bump that salary to 70K a year...since your offer of 21K only covers monday to friday 9 to 5"
At the time, I figure for 70K a year, I could postpone that novel LOL.
I've seen a couple. The worst one essentially stipulated that ANY endeavour outside office hours that was of a commercial nature (even if say, I had written a novel and was making money) because the SOLE property of the company. This was a company that manufactured and installed commercial alarm systems...and the job was for a 21K a year (Canadian) tech support job.
At first I thought it was simply an unintentional mistake...but when asked about it to my possible future boss, he flatly said it "Oh no, that's correct, basically if you were to earn money from anything you work on outside office hours, we feel we contributed and therefore its our product...its happened before."
At the time (this was 95-96) I was desperate..but not desperate enough to sign that.
Where I am, there is a large levy on every blank CD I purchase. It doesn't matter whether I "infringe copyrights" or "pirate IP" with it...I have to pay my due to the music industry whether or not I want to buy their crappy product. Guilty until proven innocent.
I'm glad the Canadian govmnt made it clear that downloading an MP3 or burning a CD for personal use was NOT copyright infringement...so if I have to pay anyway...I'm going to make it worth my while. Not that I want any of the commercial crap that the RIAA puts out anyway.
Give me a choice on whether my money goes to them when I buy a CD for backup purposes, then maybe I won't download. Make a quality product for a fair price, then I WILL buy it. Otherwise, fuck you RIAA.
Of course not, RICO only applies to people who DON'T contribute millions in campaign contributions and lobbying efforts. But then, that's true of most laws.
The article seemed to be saying that the professors were trying to just get out of doing work, and it wasn't to catch cheaters. I don't see why it is wrong to know within a reasonable margin of error that the work you are marking is not plagiarized.
I live in Montreal and attend Concordia, so I've heard quite a bit about this case. There were two main principles at issue here:
1 - The fact that students were presumed guilty until proven innocent (ie: ALL students were treated as plagiarists and had to prove otherwise or get zero).
and (and this is a biggie)
2 - Copies of the student's work submitted to the service were kept and included into its database...students had no say in the future use of their work, they either had to give up rights to it in favor of the service (so they could add it to their database and use it to make money) or refuse, not use the service and get zero.
As near as I can tell the student, nor any of the people supporting him, had no problem with using the service as a tool...only to the conditions of using it and the fact that it was used before any suspicion of plagiarism existed.
What you are missing is that very few of these "vendors" HAVE relevent sites.
If you have a relevent site to the search...you don't have to "cheat" period.
These whiners are basically saying "hey...we made it so we could trick people into visiting us and now you're making it so we can't...waahhhh!"..I have no sympathy...go google.
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Its not quite uploading.
The judge made the ruling that making your files available to download by P2P does not constitute infringement.
Downloading is already legal for personal use.
Basically if I emailed you a copyrighted mp3, I would be guilty of distribution...however, if YOU connect to my machine and download a song off of it, then I'm not uploading or distributing, therefore its legal.
I don't have a link, but a governement website once gave this example regarding the subject:
1 - if *I* copy a CD and give it to you, that's infringement (its considered as distributing a copyrighted work)
2 - if *YOU* borrow the CD from me, and *YOU* copy it for personal use, that's not considered distribution of a copyrighted work and is considered legal.
The judge ruled that sharing a file on P2P was more akin to example 2.
so ethics are proportional to actions you support.
No, but they aren't proportional to what you say in MEDIA INTERVIEW either. They are represented by your actions...basically this guy thought he was doing a good thing paying off SCO (either from a lack of intelligence or a darker motives, I don't know and frankly I don't care) and now he's being slammed because of it so he's *sniff* sowwy...
Saying you're sorry ain't enough...if he's really ethical, he'll find a way to DO something to make it right.
I don't think that action HAS to be in support of linux mind you (though it would be nice)...but something significant to back up those words.
Yet they just bend over and take it from SCO...
I'll stick with cowardice...
I'd love this too, problem is that only maybe 10 people would watch it. :/
The rest wouldn't even change to THAT channel..it would just hurt their brains too much.
The lowest common denominator is just too damn low.
Almost always the first thing out of their mouth once you've explained the problem is "When you right-click 'My Network'..." at which point you cut in with "I don't run Windows".
I've learned to avoid that one because in most companies around here and until recently my ISP, saying "I don't run Windows" would get the response: "I'm sorry, but you really aren't able to use our service or access the net without Windows" and all attempts at solving my problem would stop.
Customer support at HP of all places would NOT answer my questions until I had used the DAMN RESTORE CDS to wipe out my linux partitions (I was calling about a faulty AC adapter), saying "We don't support linux at all on this laptop, only windowsXP, please use your Restore CDs and call again if the problem isn't solved"
I'm with you there.
My fiancee had never HEARD of linux until we met and now she's trying to use it (but still strongly favors Windows when its been a couple of days between crashes). She only knew Apple and Mac and Office in both.
The best compliment I got tho, was when my dad showed off a new company laptop running WindowsXP (a PIII 1.6 Ghz with 256M of ram) and later that evening I had to use my own old lappy (a P2-333 with 192Megs of Ram) in Linux and he said "Wow, I wish MY laptop responded as fast as your does!"
Since then, he's been easing towards letting me put linux on his home PC...he's still not QUITE convinced...but he's asking questions and getting curious.
You're a pretty lucky guy.
For us, they start at the stated start time. So a movie that's scheduled at 7, will usually start at 7h15-7h20.
I mean, they wonder why we don't go see movies anymore?
1 - The price of a damn ticket w/popcorn is more than I'll pay if I way 3 months and BUY the damn DVD!
2 - I *STILL* have to put up with commercials..
3 - Asshole kids with cellphones and/or laser pointers.
Its just not worth it anymore.
I hear you.
I just got broken into THIS week. Chickensh*t *sshole thieves took computer equipment and some of my SO's sentimental stuff. Could have been worse (about 5Gs worth), they got interrupted.
The police did NOTHING. Even though we had items dropped that only the punks could have touched, they wouldn't look at them or print them.
Their response..."we don't investigate stuff like this...if we did that, we'd never go home at night!"
Oh boohoo! So I said "basically you're saying its ok they get away with this..."
Answer: "Yup, unless someone catches them in the act or we catch them doing something bigger, we won't look for them, talk to your insurance"
I've done the local pawnshops and been told to get lost...
I'm talking to an insurance "auditor" next week...I can't wait to see how THAT goes.
I wonder why I pay taxes, cuz I sure don't feel like I'm getting my money's worth
In the long run, users would lose out as well.
Developpers would slowly but surely stop developping new ideas for fear of being fined/sued/thrown in jail. OSS would trickle to almost a halt.
Microsoft would be hurt as well, but as someone above said, with its connections and deep pockets, it could more than sustain and ignore the slap on the wrist it would get with each violation.
In the end, users would get fewer choices without substantially more secure software.
Thanks but no thanks
From the link:
:)
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Is the web archive going to get sued (or arrested) now?
And if that "Created from scratch.." line is from the original website...can't say the guy earned 300Gs
you're not kidding.
At my office, we are using a non-standard email client that doesn't allow execution of code in any way and we still got nailed.
why?
The moron in the next cubicle (a PROGRAMMER no less) did this:
1) viewed the email (after receiving 5 memos specifically saying to just delete it)
2) clicked on the attachment
3) selected save as
4) opened up explorer, went LOOKING for the attachement
5) executed it by doubleclicking.
I mean seriously! his defense when confronted?
"Well I wasn't sure...so...hum...we'll I wouldn't have done that at home!"
I wanted to beat the crap out of him...
I just pronounce it "assholes"
Well the way I put it on the guy's fifth follow up phone call to urge me to reconsider:
"So basically you're saying that my earning power for you is essentially on a 24/7 basis...so that means that I essentially work for you 24/7.
So, if you want me to sign that 2 year contract...you'll need to bump that salary to 70K a year...since your offer of 21K only covers monday to friday 9 to 5"
At the time, I figure for 70K a year, I could postpone that novel LOL.
I've seen a couple. The worst one essentially stipulated that ANY endeavour outside office hours that was of a commercial nature (even if say, I had written a novel and was making money) because the SOLE property of the company. This was a company that manufactured and installed commercial alarm systems...and the job was for a 21K a year (Canadian) tech support job.
At first I thought it was simply an unintentional mistake...but when asked about it to my possible future boss, he flatly said it "Oh no, that's correct, basically if you were to earn money from anything you work on outside office hours, we feel we contributed and therefore its our product...its happened before."
At the time (this was 95-96) I was desperate..but not desperate enough to sign that.
Where I am, there is a large levy on every blank CD I purchase. It doesn't matter whether I "infringe copyrights" or "pirate IP" with it...I have to pay my due to the music industry whether or not I want to buy their crappy product. Guilty until proven innocent.
I'm glad the Canadian govmnt made it clear that downloading an MP3 or burning a CD for personal use was NOT copyright infringement...so if I have to pay anyway...I'm going to make it worth my while. Not that I want any of the commercial crap that the RIAA puts out anyway.
Give me a choice on whether my money goes to them when I buy a CD for backup purposes, then maybe I won't download. Make a quality product for a fair price, then I WILL buy it. Otherwise, fuck you RIAA.
Surely this would fall under RICO in the US?
Of course not, RICO only applies to people who DON'T contribute millions in campaign contributions and lobbying efforts. But then, that's true of most laws.
Luxury! I have to take my wireless laptop into the bathroom with me and multitask to increase productivity!
Wow! You get to go to the bathroom?
I live in Montreal and attend Concordia, so I've heard quite a bit about this case. There were two main principles at issue here:
1 - The fact that students were presumed guilty until proven innocent (ie: ALL students were treated as plagiarists and had to prove otherwise or get zero).
and (and this is a biggie)
2 - Copies of the student's work submitted to the service were kept and included into its database...students had no say in the future use of their work, they either had to give up rights to it in favor of the service (so they could add it to their database and use it to make money) or refuse, not use the service and get zero.
As near as I can tell the student, nor any of the people supporting him, had no problem with using the service as a tool...only to the conditions of using it and the fact that it was used before any suspicion of plagiarism existed.
...600 geeks with too much money drop dead of heart attacks over the weekend. Film at 11.
Do you have ANY proof of this? I'd really love to see a reference, a link, or something...
I mean if this was public knowledge, I can't imagine why there weren't any riots...
Don't give the lawyers any ideas :)
Sounds to me like they've already got too much horseshit and ol' Darl's just trying to export as much of it as possible.
What you are missing is that very few of these "vendors" HAVE relevent sites.
If you have a relevent site to the search...you don't have to "cheat" period.
These whiners are basically saying "hey...we made it so we could trick people into visiting us and now you're making it so we can't...waahhhh!"..I have no sympathy...go google.
I imagine it must have been tough to not laugh when the settlement was agreed to.
Yeah, How DARE he say masking tape tastes that bad?