And what of the case where a customer is incorrectly charged *too much*? The sticker on the tin says $5 and the line-item on the receipt says $10. The transaction is already completed, so fair is fair?
I'd say that the real reason is that web developers are often "the developer" with very little if any support from specialists.
This means they have to know a very diverse toolbox and can't afford to specialize in one thing. As a result they end up knowing everything fairly well instead of knowing a specific chain of tools expertly.
This only works because of the terrible practice of checking a user agent string to decide which version to display. YMMV.
If a site simply uses @media breakpoints in a single (or merged) stylesheet and serves that stylesheet to everyone, changing your UA string will do nothing. If that's the case, hit F12 and find the section in the style sheet that mentions "@media" and has some values for device widths. Not sure if there's a browser plug-in out there that lets you override and save CSS info on a site by site basis, but that would be an answer.
Apple has stated that site owners should serve a specific version for iPad users. I can't find their FAQ that discusses this, but I remember it from about a year ago.
Yes, an iPad specific theme provides a better experience for iPad users; however, this simply adds additional fragmentation to the web developer's workflow and is precisely the reason the movement has been so strong in the last few years to get away from browser/platform specific "workarounds".
We (web developers) have had to deal with IE for so long that when something new comes along that forces us into the same box we've been clawing our way out of, well, it's not surprising that we tell our bosses not to do it.
Consider that even as we near 2014, most web sites are not responsive. The whole responsive movement relies on building a site's theme into about three flavors (suit to taste); desktop, smaller screens (small laptops, etc) and mobile. The gray area between "small screen" and mobile is quite large and iPad suffers because it is often treated as a mobile device. After all, it has a touch screen like a mobile device. It is smaller than a desktop like a mobile device. It has a battery... etc etc.
When all is said and done, you're looking at the mobile version of a site on an iPad because the days of coding a specific version of a site for a specific device are behind us and it's a massive waste of money and resources.
In a previous life, I worked with mostly medicated kids in a clinical K-12 setting. It was absolutely the norm for them to be inconsistent with their meds. Granted, these are kids and not adults (though we did have some 18 and 19 year olds), but being consistent with your meds (especially the heavy anti-psychotics that doctors are "best guessing" to their effects on the patient) is not something a lot of people are capable of.
Did you always say that before or after this lady?
The relevant bit:
"The Hygiene Hypothesis," is that children who are around numerous other children or animals early in life are exposed to more microbes, and their immune systems develop more tolerance for the irritants that cause asthma. She is now researching the levels of allergy and asthma in children who live in villages as compared with children who live on a farm and are exposed to livestock.
According to this "hygiene hypothesis,'' the human immune system evolved two types of biological defenses. When one defensive system lacks practice fighting bacteria and viruses, perhaps from an overly sanitary lifestyle, the other system becomes too powerful and overreacts -- as an allergic reaction -- to harmless substances like pollen.
So many damn people use this argument when they should know full well that piracy *is* theft and that an archaic definition doesn't change things.
Yes, there may be cases where leniency is considered (your example of a child doing it), but that doesn't change the fact that they did something against the law.
You sound like the type of person who also believes it's okay to steal from large corporations because "well they won't miss it" or "they already have so much". I used to think that way when I was a teenager, as I'm sure many teenagers do. If you're still believing this once you reach maturity, you should probably revisit an ethics class.
Of the things I have personally built, the standard flowchart for DRM consists of:
Create user account.
Purchase digital goods under user account.
If user has paid for digital goods, make them available for that user account.
Every time a client would say something along the lines of "but what about the users being able to send the files to their friends? How do we prevent that?".
I would simply tell them, "The cost of implementation is going to be higher than the amount of money you'd lose if every user shared every file in their account with ten people." Once you start to speak their language (the client), they start to listen.
I do not know what it is about web "developers" that makes them like shitty languages like PHP and javascript...
As one of these developers, I would like to hear your suggestions on what language I should use instead of Javascript to modify web content without forcing a page reload. Should I port all my stuff to Flash?
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It was on the news several times, it had full page ads in The Westword, ads on the radio, and posters all over town. Yet, you seem surprised to hear about this. Did you just get back from active duty or something? Or maybe you just don't get out enough to realize Denver is actually kind of a happenin' place.
There are plenty of people who "go hoboing", yet they still have a job and legal residence. The same way you might like to play with Legos and watch Big Bang Theory in your spare time, others prefer to hop on a train and take it somewhere.
It's essentially the same argument that Vincent Vega and Jules Winfield had. Vincent just didn't get it.
Similarly, I also owe my career to the fact that PC games were an interest during my kidhood.
I found it funny that another post mentioned ROLM phones, as that the building I was first truly exposed. My step-dad worked there and I went with him on a Saturday. A co-worker of his kept a machine there that had some games on it (I recall King's Quest and Space Quest). So I got to keep myself busy for a little while.
It wasn't long after that I was asking my step-dad to go to work with him all the time. I wanted more. So I ended up with a second-hand PC that I would try and get games working on. Game manuals back then would have a single paragraph about DOS boot disks, TSRs, etc. I had not a clue what I was supposed to do to get the games working, but I eventually figured it out and the rest is history.
Regarding multiplayer, though, I'm surprised nobody has yet mentioned KALI. Once you downloaded the software, you got a trial or something (or it only ran for 30 minutes, I can't recall) and you could find multiplayer matches all over for tons of different games that had built-in IPX/SPX capability. To keep playing, you just had to send them a check for $20 and you were granted "Lifetime Access".
Farm aid regularly bails out large agricultural operations.
I often see people referencing farm subsidies, and I wonder if those people understand why those kinds of things might happen.
If you look at the relatively recent case when InBev bought Anheuser Busch, it might make more sense. You see, crops are not like other products. They are perishable and quite volatile depending on seasonal variances. Sometimes Mother Nature just declares an entire season's crop to be gone.
The folks with Budweiser knew this. Since farmers are often paycheck-to-paycheck, just like the rest of us (though checks come annually instead of weekly or monthly), anyone who's business relies on them must ensure that they are stable from year to year (despite Mother Nature or other factors). If Budweiser doesn't have hops, it doesn't have a product.
So every year that is a bumper year, they would purchase hops knowing that they might possibly need them the following year when the crop is destroyed. Budweiser kept a supply of hops on hand that was enough to function if farmers were unable to produce. This kept the farmers in business, even in those years they were unable to produce.
Once InBev showed up, they said screw all that. Why should we be buying hops when we have this huge warehouse full of them? So they didn't buy any hops that year and they simply used their stockpile. Not surprisingly, hops farmers quickly went out of business and it has trickled down to the shortage of hops still happening today (and why my favorite six packs are now $9-10 instead of $7-8.)
This should be a very clear lesson for those who's business relies on a crop. You are only as successful as the farmers who supply you.
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Though, if the goods are still in their possession, they are certainly within their rights to cancel the transaction.
And what of the case where a customer is incorrectly charged *too much*? The sticker on the tin says $5 and the line-item on the receipt says $10. The transaction is already completed, so fair is fair?
Really, I misspoke. What I should have said was, "terrible practice of **only** checking a user agent string..."
Did you just argue that mobile versions do not take more time to develop by offering the solution of not building a mobile site at all?
You work for yourself, don't you?
In the web site editor...
WTF is a web site editor? Sounds like something Adobe is trying to sell.
so pseudo-developers can make shit.
I'd say that the real reason is that web developers are often "the developer" with very little if any support from specialists.
This means they have to know a very diverse toolbox and can't afford to specialize in one thing. As a result they end up knowing everything fairly well instead of knowing a specific chain of tools expertly.
This only works because of the terrible practice of checking a user agent string to decide which version to display. YMMV.
If a site simply uses @media breakpoints in a single (or merged) stylesheet and serves that stylesheet to everyone, changing your UA string will do nothing. If that's the case, hit F12 and find the section in the style sheet that mentions "@media" and has some values for device widths. Not sure if there's a browser plug-in out there that lets you override and save CSS info on a site by site basis, but that would be an answer.
Apple has stated that site owners should serve a specific version for iPad users. I can't find their FAQ that discusses this, but I remember it from about a year ago.
Yes, an iPad specific theme provides a better experience for iPad users; however, this simply adds additional fragmentation to the web developer's workflow and is precisely the reason the movement has been so strong in the last few years to get away from browser/platform specific "workarounds".
We (web developers) have had to deal with IE for so long that when something new comes along that forces us into the same box we've been clawing our way out of, well, it's not surprising that we tell our bosses not to do it.
Consider that even as we near 2014, most web sites are not responsive. The whole responsive movement relies on building a site's theme into about three flavors (suit to taste); desktop, smaller screens (small laptops, etc) and mobile. The gray area between "small screen" and mobile is quite large and iPad suffers because it is often treated as a mobile device. After all, it has a touch screen like a mobile device. It is smaller than a desktop like a mobile device. It has a battery... etc etc.
When all is said and done, you're looking at the mobile version of a site on an iPad because the days of coding a specific version of a site for a specific device are behind us and it's a massive waste of money and resources.
I'm not sure, but I do believe it has something to do with divers.
In a previous life, I worked with mostly medicated kids in a clinical K-12 setting. It was absolutely the norm for them to be inconsistent with their meds. Granted, these are kids and not adults (though we did have some 18 and 19 year olds), but being consistent with your meds (especially the heavy anti-psychotics that doctors are "best guessing" to their effects on the patient) is not something a lot of people are capable of.
They most certainly are... depending on where your option is.
Did you always say that before or after this lady?
The relevant bit:
"The Hygiene Hypothesis," is that children who are around numerous other children or animals early in life are exposed to more microbes, and their immune systems develop more tolerance for the irritants that cause asthma. She is now researching the levels of allergy and asthma in children who live in villages as compared with children who live on a farm and are exposed to livestock.
According to this "hygiene hypothesis,'' the human immune system evolved two types of biological defenses. When one defensive system lacks practice fighting bacteria and viruses, perhaps from an overly sanitary lifestyle, the other system becomes too powerful and overreacts -- as an allergic reaction -- to harmless substances like pollen.
So many damn people use this argument when they should know full well that piracy *is* theft and that an archaic definition doesn't change things.
Yes, there may be cases where leniency is considered (your example of a child doing it), but that doesn't change the fact that they did something against the law.
You sound like the type of person who also believes it's okay to steal from large corporations because "well they won't miss it" or "they already have so much". I used to think that way when I was a teenager, as I'm sure many teenagers do. If you're still believing this once you reach maturity, you should probably revisit an ethics class.
Chrome Robot: Everything will be all right. You are in my hands. I am here to protect you. You have nowhere to go. You have nowhere to go.
Everyone succumbs to indoctrination given enough time.
Then you give the homeless guy at the stop light a couple bucks to clean your windshield you cheap bastard!
Not bad, but the Battle of Kruger is better.
Of the things I have personally built, the standard flowchart for DRM consists of:
Create user account.
Purchase digital goods under user account.
If user has paid for digital goods, make them available for that user account.
Every time a client would say something along the lines of "but what about the users being able to send the files to their friends? How do we prevent that?".
I would simply tell them, "The cost of implementation is going to be higher than the amount of money you'd lose if every user shared every file in their account with ten people." Once you start to speak their language (the client), they start to listen.
"Anything can seem profound when you put the name of a dead philosopher at the end of it"
- Plato
I do not know what it is about web "developers" that makes them like shitty languages like PHP and javascript...
As one of these developers, I would like to hear your suggestions on what language I should use instead of Javascript to modify web content without forcing a page reload. Should I port all my stuff to Flash?
It was on the news several times, it had full page ads in The Westword, ads on the radio, and posters all over town. Yet, you seem surprised to hear about this. Did you just get back from active duty or something? Or maybe you just don't get out enough to realize Denver is actually kind of a happenin' place.
Just for the record, this is not true.
There are plenty of people who "go hoboing", yet they still have a job and legal residence. The same way you might like to play with Legos and watch Big Bang Theory in your spare time, others prefer to hop on a train and take it somewhere.
It's essentially the same argument that Vincent Vega and Jules Winfield had. Vincent just didn't get it.
Seems better to stick with pineapple then.
Similarly, I also owe my career to the fact that PC games were an interest during my kidhood.
I found it funny that another post mentioned ROLM phones, as that the building I was first truly exposed. My step-dad worked there and I went with him on a Saturday. A co-worker of his kept a machine there that had some games on it (I recall King's Quest and Space Quest). So I got to keep myself busy for a little while.
It wasn't long after that I was asking my step-dad to go to work with him all the time. I wanted more. So I ended up with a second-hand PC that I would try and get games working on. Game manuals back then would have a single paragraph about DOS boot disks, TSRs, etc. I had not a clue what I was supposed to do to get the games working, but I eventually figured it out and the rest is history.
Regarding multiplayer, though, I'm surprised nobody has yet mentioned KALI. Once you downloaded the software, you got a trial or something (or it only ran for 30 minutes, I can't recall) and you could find multiplayer matches all over for tons of different games that had built-in IPX/SPX capability. To keep playing, you just had to send them a check for $20 and you were granted "Lifetime Access".
Farm aid regularly bails out large agricultural operations.
I often see people referencing farm subsidies, and I wonder if those people understand why those kinds of things might happen.
If you look at the relatively recent case when InBev bought Anheuser Busch, it might make more sense. You see, crops are not like other products. They are perishable and quite volatile depending on seasonal variances. Sometimes Mother Nature just declares an entire season's crop to be gone.
The folks with Budweiser knew this. Since farmers are often paycheck-to-paycheck, just like the rest of us (though checks come annually instead of weekly or monthly), anyone who's business relies on them must ensure that they are stable from year to year (despite Mother Nature or other factors). If Budweiser doesn't have hops, it doesn't have a product.
So every year that is a bumper year, they would purchase hops knowing that they might possibly need them the following year when the crop is destroyed. Budweiser kept a supply of hops on hand that was enough to function if farmers were unable to produce. This kept the farmers in business, even in those years they were unable to produce.
Once InBev showed up, they said screw all that. Why should we be buying hops when we have this huge warehouse full of them? So they didn't buy any hops that year and they simply used their stockpile. Not surprisingly, hops farmers quickly went out of business and it has trickled down to the shortage of hops still happening today (and why my favorite six packs are now $9-10 instead of $7-8.)
This should be a very clear lesson for those who's business relies on a crop. You are only as successful as the farmers who supply you.