The downloadable Webcore has updated KHTML code from 3.0.2. You can download stuff from KDE CVS and do the diff yourself if you doubt this. No need to re-integrate the SAFARI_BRANCH code.
As for the embeddable HTML component - search for "Safari SDK" on the following link.
Or read Dave Hyatt's blog (where he says the same thing) here.
Or see what the folks at Omnigroup are saying here and here.
Just so you know - even when pointed to the KDE cvs logs, where one can see the SAFARI_MERGE branch, this corebreech guy still claims the code isn't being released.
Open (or create, if it's not alread there) "~/Library/Application Support/Chimera/Profiles/(random)/prefs.js". Add this line then save it as text, not rtf:
Apple wants to make a high-quality HTML rendering component for use in Cocoa apps, a-la Microsoft's HTML COM object (MSHTML? I don't know what it's called). Think of Safari as an example application which uses that plug-in component.
This way, I can make a Cocoa app which for some reason needs to render HTML and use the NSWebCoreHTML class (or whatever they end up calling it) to do all the dirty work for me.
The problem with using Gecko, I imagine, is that it depends on Necko and the netscape portable runtime library (which re-implements strings, and threads, and whatnot). They don't want something that platform-independent - they want something that screams on OS X, so they'd want to rip out as much as possible between the rendering library and the native cocoa classes (ie NSString, NSURL, etc). It seems as if it was easier to do that with KHTML than Gecko.
This law only applies to large systems over significant periods of time.
Basically, entropy boils down to probabilities - if you flip a fair coin a gazillion times, you'd expect 50% heads and 50% tails. These folks, in effect, were working at a level where they could detect some of the runs of 100 heads in a row. It's an impressive series of measurements, but won't require a rethink of thermodynamics at all.
While I'll agree with you that Office documents passed from Mac to Windows will open on the alternate platform without a hitch, they often don't look quite the same.
Missing fonts play a big role. Small, obscure bugs in inter-program operation also crop up (ie, place an Excel chart in a PowerPoint slide, and watch as new borders magically appear on the move from PC -> Mac).
BZZZT, not true. I believe that quote appeared in an news article in which Microsoft complained about the lower-than-expected purchases of Office for OS X.
In general, when you hear something like this, if nobody specifically mentions what the problem might be (something like "OS X doesn't support TCP/IP networking" or "OS X scans a program's binary on launch and if it finds 'http' it immediately segfaults"), it's probably BS.
The problems with browsers on OS X have nothing to do with the OS, and everything to do with the browsers themselves. Omniweb & Chimera are both plenty fast on old G3's. The problems they have are entirely due to browser code, not OS code.
I'm just curious: does anyone know if this embedded Gecko is taking stuff out of the Chimera tree? Or maybe a better question: where off of Mozilla did they branch?
Microsoft claims IE can't be separated from the OS. Yet, the presentation points out the code is broken into 16 sub-projects, largely isolated from each other, and separately buildable.
Two of those projects were "INetCore" and "INetServices".
So why can't you just build 2K without those 2 subprojects, or just stubs inserted for the functions declaired in those projects?
Check out Retrospect by Dantz software. We use it for a mixed network of Macs & PC's. Backup occurs automatically from all workstations at administrator defined times. This way, you don't have to "teach" everone to store to a network drive or anything like that.
I just want to point out the fact that ALL the chimera code is available in the mozilla CVS tree - anyone with an inkling of curiosity can get the instructions for downloading it from here.
By applying the bugzilla patch #139682, you can roll your own 0.2.8 Chimera within about 8 hours on a 500 mHz iMac.
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is anyone else seeing the text for this article displayed incorrectly on the front page of slashdot? For me, the text of this article (and only this article) is running into and under the "Yesterday's Article" box.
I know other people have mentioned it in this discussion - but it bears repeating. This is a fantastic service - you get unlimited downloads of the mp3's stored on Emusic servers (and ripped by Emusic, so you know it will be good quality) for ~$10/month, and the artists get paid.
It is fairly easy to prove that you can remove any watermark without significantly changing the signal to noise ratio of the image. Several people, including myself (as part of my PhD research in 1995) have proven this and published the proof.
Would you mind passing along a citation or two that I could look over? I think this sort of work is neat, and I'd like to know more about it. Just reply to this message & I'll check it out. Thanks in advance . . .
The Time Canada article also spills the beans about iPhoto - long-rumored "digital photo management" software for the Mac.
The "big feature" (besides easy management/sorting/viewing of digital photos): you can arrange your own photo album, doctor it up nice & pretty like, and with a click of a button, a $30 charge on your credit card, and a week or so for the mail, you'll get a hard-covered book of the selfsame album.
Interesting, but too long to read? And this gets moderated as insightful? WHAT THE HELL?
Story after story gets posted about how our rights are being taken away, about how "the man" is trying to bring us down, and thousands of posters respond with "right on!"
and then when somebody who really understands the issues, understands the system, and gives great advice about what we can do to help or organizations to which we could donate to fight for us all, and you decide it's "too long to read at christmastime?" and some other bonehead thinks that's a great comment?
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The downloadable Webcore has updated KHTML code from 3.0.2. You can download stuff from KDE CVS and do the diff yourself if you doubt this. No need to re-integrate the SAFARI_BRANCH code.
As for the embeddable HTML component - search for "Safari SDK" on the following link.
Or read Dave Hyatt's blog (where he says the same thing) here.
Or see what the folks at Omnigroup are saying
here and here.
Twirlip:
Just so you know - even when pointed to the KDE cvs logs, where one can see the SAFARI_MERGE branch, this corebreech guy still claims the code isn't being released.
You just can't reason with some people, I guess.
You can check out the merges the KDE folks have made to CVS from code apple supplied with Safari here
user_pref("image.animation_mode", once);
(PS - I stole this directly from here )
Apple wants to make a high-quality HTML rendering component for use in Cocoa apps, a-la Microsoft's HTML COM object (MSHTML? I don't know what it's called). Think of Safari as an example application which uses that plug-in component.
This way, I can make a Cocoa app which for some reason needs to render HTML and use the NSWebCoreHTML class (or whatever they end up calling it) to do all the dirty work for me.
The problem with using Gecko, I imagine, is that it depends on Necko and the netscape portable runtime library (which re-implements strings, and threads, and whatnot). They don't want something that platform-independent - they want something that screams on OS X, so they'd want to rip out as much as possible between the rendering library and the native cocoa classes (ie NSString, NSURL, etc). It seems as if it was easier to do that with KHTML than Gecko.
Basically, entropy boils down to probabilities - if you flip a fair coin a gazillion times, you'd expect 50% heads and 50% tails. These folks, in effect, were working at a level where they could detect some of the runs of 100 heads in a row. It's an impressive series of measurements, but won't require a rethink of thermodynamics at all.
Why don't you call it "HFS+"
(OK, it's a lame mac joke - sorry.)
While I'll agree with you that Office documents passed from Mac to Windows will open on the alternate platform without a hitch, they often don't look quite the same.
Missing fonts play a big role. Small, obscure bugs in inter-program operation also crop up (ie, place an Excel chart in a PowerPoint slide, and watch as new borders magically appear on the move from PC -> Mac).
It's nothing serious, but pretty annoying.
so I know I'm gonna get marked as flamebait for this, but why aren't use using Chimera?
.. grrrrr . . . )
(sorry, just grumpy because the new powerbook isn't here yet . .
In general, when you hear something like this, if nobody specifically mentions what the problem might be (something like "OS X doesn't support TCP/IP networking" or "OS X scans a program's binary on launch and if it finds 'http' it immediately segfaults"), it's probably BS.
The problems with browsers on OS X have nothing to do with the OS, and everything to do with the browsers themselves. Omniweb & Chimera are both plenty fast on old G3's. The problems they have are entirely due to browser code, not OS code.
Peace out.
I'm just curious: does anyone know if this embedded Gecko is taking stuff out of the Chimera tree? Or maybe a better question: where off of Mozilla did they branch?
Microsoft claims IE can't be separated from the OS. Yet, the presentation points out the code is broken into 16 sub-projects, largely isolated from each other, and separately buildable.
Two of those projects were "INetCore" and "INetServices".
So why can't you just build 2K without those 2 subprojects, or just stubs inserted for the functions declaired in those projects?
This comment so deserves to be rated higher than +1.
Come on, moderators, pop on some funnies!
Check out Retrospect by Dantz software. We use it for a mixed network of Macs & PC's. Backup occurs automatically from all workstations at administrator defined times. This way, you don't have to "teach" everone to store to a network drive or anything like that.
Oh, really?.
I trust you've looked here?
By applying the bugzilla patch #139682, you can roll your own 0.2.8 Chimera within about 8 hours on a 500 mHz iMac.
is anyone else seeing the text for this article displayed incorrectly on the front page of slashdot? For me, the text of this article (and only this article) is running into and under the "Yesterday's Article" box.
This is on Mozilla 2002020103 . . .
Just curious.
Oh, come on! I had debian rocking & rolling on an old Centris with 8 MB ram.
The only downside was the 20 MB hard disk - by the time I got everything I wanted installed, there wasn't any room left to do anything.
sorry - i meant "good quality" as in the song is named correctly and the entire song is ripped without pops or crackles.
yes, 128 kbps is a little lacking.
I know other people have mentioned it in this discussion - but it bears repeating. This is a fantastic service - you get unlimited downloads of the mp3's stored on Emusic servers (and ripped by Emusic, so you know it will be good quality) for ~$10/month, and the artists get paid.
Would you mind passing along a citation or two that I could look over? I think this sort of work is neat, and I'd like to know more about it. Just reply to this message & I'll check it out. Thanks in advance . . .
The Time Canada article also spills the beans about iPhoto - long-rumored "digital photo management" software for the Mac.
The "big feature" (besides easy management/sorting/viewing of digital photos): you can arrange your own photo album, doctor it up nice & pretty like, and with a click of a button, a $30 charge on your credit card, and a week or so for the mail, you'll get a hard-covered book of the selfsame album.
Neat.
Interesting, but too long to read? And this gets moderated as insightful? WHAT THE HELL?
Story after story gets posted about how our rights are being taken away, about how "the man" is trying to bring us down, and thousands of posters respond with "right on!"
and then when somebody who really understands the issues, understands the system, and gives great advice about what we can do to help or organizations to which we could donate to fight for us all, and you decide it's "too long to read at christmastime?" and some other bonehead thinks that's a great comment?
Well, cry me a river.
Doesn't Gandalf already have one of the Elven Rings of Power before he goes through Moria? I think he's subordinate to Saruman in rank only . . .