It's not a cheat if everyone has it. In the very least, they should make sure that this 15 percent slower version of quake2 that everyone will be RUSHING to install, is only compatible with itself and not prior clients.
The developers haven't seen fit to provide this mod in any format but the ut2mod format. There is no way to install this mod on a Linux install unless you want to first install it on windows, then move the files over. Great work guys.
I think the point I was trying to make was it's not the game, it's the gamer. Put a bunch of people on a game server and it doesn't matter what physics are what and any of that crap. It's who wins. That's it. By all means, have a great time winning, and be a great winner. Say great game, and tell the guy in second place he did a great job too. But WIN. I think comparing the games is silly. Compare the players of the game. A game either "sucks" or it "doesn't suck" from your perspective. Chances are you are going to play the games that you feel "don't suck" cause it wouldn't make a whole lot of sense playing the games you think "suck" just so you can pester the people playing it. So it really boils down to does it suck or not. You can discuss whether game A is better than game B until the WMD are found, and it won't change the fact that it's a waste of time if the game has any sort of following.
I have a friend that could NOT get wine working with k-lite on mandrake. Didn't know if you had mandrake or not (I run Gentoo), but in case you do, or you have problems with the link on franks, here are the instructions he used to get k-lite working on his mandrake home system, and a redhat laptop he has at work:
http://www.mail-archive.com/expert@linux-mandrak e. com/msg71788.html
Make sure to take out the freaking retarded space in the URL that slashcode puts in cause it's GAY.
You'd get laid off and watch CNN all day. You'd get to do awesome stuff like hunt for jobs with 750 million other players. You'd get to watch the Gov't spend billions on foreign "concerns" while not taking care of things at home. I'd also like to see a Sims Decreased Corporate Oversight expansion pack, and a Sims Operation Civil Liberty Removal one too.
In the original comic, the turtles were almost as bad as shredder. They'd kill a lot of innocent people and utterly destroy private property to get at him and it ROCKED. God I hope when you say it's darker, they captured the feel of the comic perfectly.
I'm so sick of people fanboying up different physics in FPS games. I could care. People will aways try to find some lame pick-point to label something 'leeter' or 'what the pros use' and it's just so much prick waving and nit-picking. It's about mastering the environment you are in, and getting the most frags, flags, whatever you need to do to WIN. That's it. Anything else is a lot of whining because something changed from version 1 to 1234123. I LOVE CPMA. I love the original netquake. I love quakeworld. I'm just tickled pink that a company like ID is around to make sure I can enjoy their products on GNU/Linux, and release the source to the community from time to time so other boffo stuff can be done with it. That's what matters to me. Arguments about bunnyhopping and strafe jumping and rocketspeed and all that crap don't matter. If you are already on the server playing the game, resign yourself to the understanding that you will have to eventually figure out this new environment and how to take advantage of it. But don't stand still while you are doing it or I'll rail you, then again the second you respawn.
www.quakeforge.org is the best you are going to get. You get all the quakeworld and netquake binaries. I link to qw-client-glx in XQF to play. You'll be more interested in the nq-blah binaries. I use nq-glx in XQF. I'm amazed that there are still servers to play on, and quite happy about it. You'll still need to find an original quake cd to grab the pak files from. I got mine at:
This site made life soooooooo much easier. I ended up using winex for a bunch of my games including halflife/counterstrike and max payne, then using regular wine for kazzalite 2.10.
I don't know what cave I was living in. I'm running an emerge wine-cvs right now. Looks like on top of about half the games I'd normally have to reboot to run, I can also run the newest version of k-lite with winex.:)
is will their best card with their driver burn smoking rings around my nvidia card with nvidia's drivers the way that nvidia cards with nvidia drivers burn smoking rings around ATI cards with ati drivers under linux? I tell you this... If ID does a 180 and doesn't release a Linux version of Doom3 at the same time, or a reasonably short time after the windows version, I'm getting whatever card is fastest under XP and giving up on Linux gaming altogether. It's really nice having a quake3 link in my blackbox menu, but I'm already sick of having to reboot to play counterstrike, NOLF2, and other games.
You don't get the chance to fight ninjas in a trailer park in ohio while a tornado is wiping it out often enough in games. NOLF2 is my absolute FAVORITE single player gaming experience to date. I haven't even bothered to check out the multiplayer mode yet, and could care if they'd bother to include one at all.
To the attention span and the attention to detail that the kind of manager that would implement an open source solution for a problem would possess. It's obvious that when you are dealing with a company already smart enough to pursue a GNU/Linux solution for a problem, they are going to be smart enough to see through SCO's obvious bullshit.:)
This chicken and egg theory of yours simply doesn't hold up under close examination. The excellent reference to what happened in Florida in this thread is only one of many examples that disprove your theory. The most blaring example would be Great Britain. Much like the lawyer from Miami in the main topic, you are suggesting a simple, logical, easy to understand reason for something that sounds great. It even plays well if you put the right beat to it. The problem is there are no facts to support it.
Some people have this impression that it's easy to legally obtain a handgun. First of all, you are going to have to pass a criminal background check. Most of the time in most states, this means ANY felony, crime involving domestic violence INCLUDING a misdemenor, and sometimes even a DUI will disqualify you from purchasing a firearm. The great thing about the background check is that the type of unstable person that that's worried they'll fail the background check is already too afraid to go through the process. Assuming you pass the background check, some states REQUIRE you to register your firearms. The catch-22 is that they'll require a valid ID from THEIR state. But wait, there's more. Assuming you have a valid ID and you start driving to Washington to "do some killings", the second you cross the border you are breaking the law again UNLESS you've taken the time to get an out of state permit for your firearm. A lot of states don't even offer these. They only offer them to residents. Some states don't issue carry permits at all (NY). So in the end, you are probably NOT going to buy your weapons in Indianapolis then drive to Washington if you are hellbent on killing someone. You'll end up breaking and entering to steal a gun, or buying one illegally from someone that sells illegal guns if it's that important too you. On the bright side, if you do try breaking and entering to steal the gun, there is a good chance the lawful gun owner will do the rest of us a favor and put your out of our misery with said gun.
Some people have this misguided impression that you can just go buy a handgun at a pawnshop or gunshow and they won't do any sort of checking on who you are. It doesn't work that way. "Daddy's invisible catch-all shield" is in full effect making sure only a certain type of person is allowed to become a Fed, Senator, President, Governor, Handgun owner, and anything else of any importance.
Handguns are absolutely excellent for self defence. With one caveat: A gun is only as good as the person using it. Good training is what matters. Good training includes a very heavy emphasis on firearms safety. A lot of states have moved towards requiring a safety program as part of the requirement towards obtaining a concealed carry permit. I'm all for it. Furthermore, self defence is a legitimate use. Not to mention the sport of handgun hunting is quite popular. An inexpensive ruger blackhawk can be had in many calibers ranging from.22 to 45 long colt and can take game out to 150 yards humanely depending on the bullit weight and type. Try telling a cowboy or a range worker that a handgun is only for killing people and he'll laugh at you long and hard. Handguns are "handy". It's not always feasable to lug around a 10 pound rifle when a 1-5 pound handgun will fit the bill perfectly. You are far more likely to kill a loved one by accident with a car because you were talking on your cellphone than you are with a lawfully owned handgun in your own home.
I can remember at Mindspring years ago we installed the dpackage system on FreeBSD and on Digital Unix 4.0x. I don't recall it being very hard to get the system up and running. Before someone jumps my shit about ports being significantly better, I agree. The reason we went with dpackage was because we did a lot of custom in house code, and dpackages are very easy to put together. This meant that the developers had to hand the admins dpackages. If for any reason the install didn't work or the package was moofed, it got sent back until it did work. It made developing a project life cycle much easier.
It's the supermarket/kmart on base that has all sorts of American goodies no matter where you are in the world. Chances are this with be the ONLY place they can buy the correct region Xbox games to play on these systems unless they order them off the net. Imagine that!
The exact reason I love FPS and racing games so much is because there isn't a large time commitment. It comes in blocks of manageable time. I can race for 6 minutes, then walk away or race some more. Same mentality with FPS games.:)
Should voice their opinion by using the feedback link for EE Times to express their displeasure with the obviously biased garbage that Charles J. Murray was nice enough to throw together haphazardly.
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It's not a cheat if everyone has it. In the very
least, they should make sure that this 15 percent
slower version of quake2 that everyone will be
RUSHING to install, is only compatible with itself
and not prior clients.
here is a Link.
The developers haven't seen fit to provide this mod
in any format but the ut2mod format. There is no
way to install this mod on a Linux install unless
you want to first install it on windows, then move
the files over. Great work guys.
I think the point I was trying to make was it's not
the game, it's the gamer. Put a bunch of people
on a game server and it doesn't matter what physics
are what and any of that crap. It's who wins. That's
it. By all means, have a great time winning, and be
a great winner. Say great game, and tell the guy
in second place he did a great job too. But WIN.
I think comparing the games is silly. Compare the
players of the game. A game either "sucks" or it
"doesn't suck" from your perspective. Chances are
you are going to play the games that you feel
"don't suck" cause it wouldn't make a whole lot
of sense playing the games you think "suck" just
so you can pester the people playing it. So it
really boils down to does it suck or not. You
can discuss whether game A is better than game B
until the WMD are found, and it won't change the
fact that it's a waste of time if the game has
any sort of following.
I dunno If I'm a typical slashdot reader but
when it's my girlfriend I find in my bed I usually
either:
A) Fuck her
B) Demand her give me the damn remote immediately
so I can turn springer or whatever reality based
shit she's watching off, then fuck her.
Quick Note:
k e. com/msg71788.html
I have a friend that could NOT get wine working
with k-lite on mandrake. Didn't know if you had
mandrake or not (I run Gentoo), but in case you
do, or you have problems with the link on franks, here are the instructions he used to
get k-lite working on his mandrake home system,
and a redhat laptop he has at work:
http://www.mail-archive.com/expert@linux-mandra
Make sure to take out the freaking retarded space
in the URL that slashcode puts in cause it's GAY.
The Sims Hosed Economy expansion pack.
You'd get laid off and watch CNN all day. You'd get
to do awesome stuff like hunt for jobs with 750
million other players. You'd get to watch the
Gov't spend billions on foreign "concerns" while
not taking care of things at home. I'd also like
to see a Sims Decreased Corporate Oversight
expansion pack, and a Sims Operation Civil Liberty
Removal one too.
In the original comic, the turtles were almost as
bad as shredder. They'd kill a lot of innocent
people and utterly destroy private property to get
at him and it ROCKED. God I hope when you say
it's darker, they captured the feel of the comic
perfectly.
I'm so sick of people fanboying up different
physics in FPS games. I could care. People will
aways try to find some lame pick-point to label
something 'leeter' or 'what the pros use' and
it's just so much prick waving and nit-picking.
It's about mastering the environment you are in,
and getting the most frags, flags, whatever you
need to do to WIN. That's it. Anything else is
a lot of whining because something changed from
version 1 to 1234123. I LOVE CPMA. I love the
original netquake. I love quakeworld. I'm just
tickled pink that a company like ID is around
to make sure I can enjoy their products on
GNU/Linux, and release the source to the
community from time to time so other boffo stuff
can be done with it. That's what matters to me.
Arguments about bunnyhopping and strafe jumping
and rocketspeed and all that crap don't matter.
If you are already on the server playing the game,
resign yourself to the understanding that you
will have to eventually figure out this new
environment and how to take advantage of it.
But don't stand still while you are doing it
or I'll rail you, then again the second you
respawn.
www.quakeforge.org is the best you are going to
:)
get. You get all the quakeworld and netquake
binaries. I link to qw-client-glx in XQF to play.
You'll be more interested in the nq-blah binaries.
I use nq-glx in XQF. I'm amazed that there are still
servers to play on, and quite happy about it. You'll
still need to find an original quake cd to grab
the pak files from. I got mine at:
http://www.dirtcheapsoftware.com/
For 5 bucks.
http://frankscorner.org/
This site made life soooooooo much easier. I ended
up using winex for a bunch of my games including
halflife/counterstrike and max payne, then using
regular wine for kazzalite 2.10.
I don't know what cave I was living in. I'm running :)
an emerge wine-cvs right now. Looks like on top of
about half the games I'd normally have to reboot
to run, I can also run the newest version of k-lite
with winex.
is will their best card with their driver burn
smoking rings around my nvidia card with nvidia's
drivers the way that nvidia cards with nvidia
drivers burn smoking rings around ATI cards with
ati drivers under linux? I tell you this... If
ID does a 180 and doesn't release a Linux version
of Doom3 at the same time, or a reasonably short
time after the windows version, I'm getting
whatever card is fastest under XP and giving up
on Linux gaming altogether. It's really nice
having a quake3 link in my blackbox menu, but
I'm already sick of having to reboot to play
counterstrike, NOLF2, and other games.
You don't get the chance to fight ninjas in a
trailer park in ohio while a tornado is wiping it
out often enough in games. NOLF2 is my absolute
FAVORITE single player gaming experience to date.
I haven't even bothered to check out the multiplayer
mode yet, and could care if they'd bother to include
one at all.
To the attention span and the attention to detail :)
that the kind of manager that would implement an
open source solution for a problem would possess.
It's obvious that when you are dealing with a
company already smart enough to pursue a GNU/Linux
solution for a problem, they are going to be smart
enough to see through SCO's obvious bullshit.
This chicken and egg theory of yours simply doesn't
hold up under close examination. The excellent
reference to what happened in Florida in this
thread is only one of many examples that disprove
your theory. The most blaring example would be
Great Britain. Much like the lawyer from Miami in
the main topic, you are suggesting a simple,
logical, easy to understand reason for something
that sounds great. It even plays well if you put
the right beat to it. The problem is there are no
facts to support it.
Some people have this impression that it's easy to
legally obtain a handgun. First of all, you are
going to have to pass a criminal background check.
Most of the time in most states, this means ANY
felony, crime involving domestic violence INCLUDING
a misdemenor, and sometimes even a DUI will
disqualify you from purchasing a firearm. The great
thing about the background check is that the type
of unstable person that that's worried they'll fail
the background check is already too afraid to
go through the process. Assuming you pass the
background check, some states REQUIRE you to
register your firearms. The catch-22 is that
they'll require a valid ID from THEIR state.
But wait, there's more. Assuming you have a
valid ID and you start driving to Washington
to "do some killings", the second you cross
the border you are breaking the law again
UNLESS you've taken the time to get an
out of state permit for your firearm. A lot
of states don't even offer these. They only
offer them to residents. Some states don't
issue carry permits at all (NY). So in the
end, you are probably NOT going to buy your
weapons in Indianapolis then drive to Washington
if you are hellbent on killing someone. You'll
end up breaking and entering to steal a gun, or
buying one illegally from someone that sells
illegal guns if it's that important too you. On
the bright side, if you do try breaking and
entering to steal the gun, there is a good
chance the lawful gun owner will do the rest
of us a favor and put your out of our misery
with said gun.
Some people have this misguided impression that
you can just go buy a handgun at a pawnshop
or gunshow and they won't do any sort of checking
on who you are. It doesn't work that way.
"Daddy's invisible catch-all shield" is in full
effect making sure only a certain type of person
is allowed to become a Fed, Senator, President,
Governor, Handgun owner, and anything else
of any importance.
Handguns are absolutely excellent for self defence. .22 to 45 long colt
With one caveat: A gun is only as good as the person
using it. Good training is what matters. Good
training includes a very heavy emphasis on firearms
safety. A lot of states have moved towards requiring
a safety program as part of the requirement towards
obtaining a concealed carry permit. I'm all for it.
Furthermore, self defence is a legitimate use.
Not to mention the sport of handgun hunting is quite
popular. An inexpensive ruger blackhawk can be had
in many calibers ranging from
and can take game out to 150 yards humanely
depending on the bullit weight and type. Try
telling a cowboy or a range worker that a handgun
is only for killing people and he'll laugh at you
long and hard. Handguns are "handy". It's not
always feasable to lug around a 10 pound rifle
when a 1-5 pound handgun will fit the bill
perfectly. You are far more likely to kill a
loved one by accident with a car because you were
talking on your cellphone than you are with a
lawfully owned handgun in your own home.
I can remember at Mindspring years ago we installed
the dpackage system on FreeBSD and on Digital
Unix 4.0x. I don't recall it being very hard
to get the system up and running. Before someone
jumps my shit about ports being significantly
better, I agree. The reason we went with dpackage
was because we did a lot of custom in house
code, and dpackages are very easy to put together.
This meant that the developers had to hand the
admins dpackages. If for any reason the install
didn't work or the package was moofed, it got sent
back until it did work. It made developing a project
life cycle much easier.
That strictest anti-gun states have the highest
crime and murder rates. Neat how that works out.
I just picked up their NX-8640 and I've been
VERY impressed. There is also the added benefit of
being able to buy without an OS installed.
It's the supermarket/kmart on base that has all
sorts of American goodies no matter where you
are in the world. Chances are this with be the ONLY
place they can buy the correct region Xbox games to
play on these systems unless they order them
off the net. Imagine that!
is quite the extraordinary gentleman.
The exact reason I love FPS and racing games so :)
much is because there isn't a large time commitment.
It comes in blocks of manageable time. I can race
for 6 minutes, then walk away or race some more.
Same mentality with FPS games.
Should voice their opinion by using the feedback
link for EE Times to express their displeasure with
the obviously biased garbage that Charles J. Murray
was nice enough to throw together haphazardly.
The mail feedback link is here:
EE Times Feedback
For those that don't use email with their browser:
The email address is: rkeane@cmp.com
The subject inserted by the webform is:
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I've already sent mine.