fat chance. that would be totally against Apple's minimalist nature not to mention the iPad did pretty fine without one even though many said it needed one. just buy a Windows 7 Slate if you want a real stylus.
Duh. Of course they are. Do you think they released Android for you or so they can learn more about you to better target ads for you? They run a fucking business. It isn't a missionary. I wonder when/if all the fanboys will take off their "but it's open" Google Goggles and get with the picture.
The 35% income tax plus the 8.5% sales tax I pay are more than enough of a sacrifice to pay in "exchange for citizenship". Having to on top of that take unpaid days off is ludicrous. I might as well just hand my while fucking life over to big brother.
Ah yes, Good old WPF snuck in there. My favorite part of VS2010 is when it freezes the main thread to compile large projects and makes the screen turn white when you click on it. Good old VS2010...
MS has the big wiener/little wiener syndrome. If they make software for the iPad than they are admitting defeat. What I don't understand is that why for the past decade+ tablets with OS's designed for mouse/keyboard have all failed. The iPad is arguably the first successful tablet and it runs a touch-based OS. Given this information, why would Win7 on a tablet be successful? Don't they have people at MS that are supposed to ask Ballmer this question?
let the down-modding begin! adios to your score. you can't go into an android thread and start saying private API's are a good thing. recipe for disaster.
Open is god! Open is right!
Oh god, here we go with the "everything should be open" talk. Just like all the RIM phones, right? And the Android phones you have to root? And the router you have to hack new firmware onto? You will never see a true open market and even if you did it most certainly wouldn't have superior technology. It's just not the way the world works man. Wake up!
VS2010 is a little bit better. Blend 3 is a little bit better too. Honestly, neither are actually good yet. VS2010's editor is now written in XAML/WPF which makes for some interesting white outs. I have beast of a computer with 12 Gigs of RAM running 64bit Win7 and the white outs are unavoidable. I think we still need more powerful computers if we are going to use XAML/WPF for our GUIs.
Silverlight is just a fancy term for a mobile version of.NET these days (well, that is my take on it)
That is partially correct. The big thing about Silverlight that is different is that you are forced to use WPF and XAML for your GUI. Painful to say the least.
Easy, yes. But you're stuck in Silverlight (unless making a game)! What a pile of shit. It has already proven even with Microsoft's massive Silverlight push that it cant even beat the equally shitty Flash. Now they are forcing Silverlight into the mobile space? I guess they figured it will never gain traction on the desktop so why not force people to use it on mobile and maybe they will then decide to use it on the desktop... Maybe the ploy will work. Hopefully it wont. The last thing we need is shitty "developers" hacking together shitty mobile apps then releasing them as desktop apps and web apps. *shudders*
Best be careful making comments like that on Slashdot. Open is right. Open is God. Open rules. Even if open isn't really that good it is still better. Even if you have to root your Android phone to make it open it is still better. Wait, can't you root and jailbreak an iPhone too...
Yet another typical/. fucking moron comment. Is everyone on this site an MS/Apple/Insert Company Fanboy/Hater?
Apple didn't "cut support" for first gen iPhones and iTouches. They don't contain hardware capable of handling some features of the new iOS so they don't get them. That's nothing different than Doom 3 having a higher RAM/processor requirement than Doom 2. It's not like if you open the App Store you just won't get new stuff. Don't be a fucking moron and write shit that isn't true.
Sometimes I wonder why I even read/. comments. They are so fucking predictable.
First off, you don't have to pay Apple anything to make Mac apps (besides owning a Mac and honestly if you don't own and use a Mac you have not business developing for it). There is a paltry $99 per year fee to make iPhone/iPod/iPad apps but no one is forcing you to make iPhone apps. On a side note, you have to pay RIM, Palm and Google money if you want to get in their app stores as well so they must be "open technology abusers" as well.
Here is some of Apple's open source code: http://www.opensource.apple.com/ Maybe you should download a few Gigs of source code before you start talking shit about something you don't know about.
Apple makes iOS which is based on OS X and puts it on iPhones, iPads and iPods. They took their own OS (which I might add has a large amount of open source code in it and more coming at fairly steady intervals). Read that again, "they took their own OS". The OS they spent years making and invested tons of time/money into. They give every person who owns an OS X license a free copy of their entire development stack: Xcode, Interface Builder, Dashcode, Instruments, Quartz Composer, PackageMaker, FileMerge, etc, etc, etc. They arguable provide the most complete set of frameworks available for any platform (Cocoa/CoreFoundation) to developers. You can build a Mac or iPhone app with GCD (open source). Apple has provided piles of code to the GCD project. You can now build Mac and iPhone apps with LLVM (open source). Apple has provided piles of code to the LLVM project.
So, given that information (and taking into account that Apple is a business that needs to make money to survive) why on earth do they need to allow someone to make Mac apps on Linux/Windows? You don't make any fucking sense man. None at all. Have you seen the cost of Microsoft's developer tools recently? And don't bother mentioning the "Express" versions of their software that don't allow commercial products.
To sum things up, many readers of/. would like every company on earth to make everything "open and free" no matter what the cost to said company. If a company does not do this, they will get piles of complaints from slashdotters who wouldn't do anything different even if said company did make something "open".
Really? Are you proud of yourself for being so loyal to Google? Maybe you should try searching on Bing. Maybe you should try developing for the iPhone. Maybe you should have cashed in on your Bing dollars. But most of all, maybe you should stop patting yourself on the back for being so closed minded and get outside for a little while....without your Google Android phone. Here's to wishful thinking...
But isn't the whole gist of the Android argument on/. that you can download, compile, modify and install it yourself? That's what the whole iPhone is closed/Android is open argument has been for months. You already have FroYo if that is true.
Why, why, why must every article mention the iPad/Apple? Can't any of the Linux/MS fanboys of the world find anything compelling enough to actually stand on its own?
In other news:
- Some BP employees helping with oil spill wrecking the Gulf enjoy using iPads
- The massive sinkhole that isn't a sinkhole in Guatemala happens to be within 100 yards of an iMac
- AMD's Fusion Processor Combines CPU and GPU (won't run iPhone OS 4.0)
Amen and well said. It amuses me to no end seeing the comments from people who have never developed for a mobile device saying fragmentation is BS and desktop has been dealing with it for years so it's no problem at all. What a joke. Try developing an app where:
- there may or may not be a physical keyboard
- the screen resolution may or may not differ
- the screen aspect ration may or may not differ
- the screen DPI may or may not differ
- the camera may or may not work (or exist)
- the RAM could vary wildly
- the processor could vary wildly
- there may or may not be multitouch
- the screen may or may not be of decent enough quality to accurately and quickly detect touches
The list goes on and on and on and it will only get longer over time. I just cant wait until there are tablets of every conceivable configuration and OS version on the market. Even then there will be my good buddies commenting on how "fragmentation is FUD".
Tablets have been running full OS versions for years and they failed. Two thumbs up for HP figuring this out and moving forward with a proper touch based OS on their tablet.
WTF? Linux extinguishing something? Beating Redmond at it's own game? What game might that be? The last one is the best of all: the comment isn't talking about new Windows builds, it's talking about Linux builds that aren't gonna happen. It ALREADY works on Windows.
*head explodes from ridiculous comment*
Seems silly to cite iAd as a competitor when it will literally only ever be allowed on iPhones where in Googles case they will push add on any and every phone.
*sarcasm*
Are you trying to say Microsoft doesn't innovate every single time they incrementally update Office?
Are you trying to say Microsoft doesn't innovate every single time they incrementally update Windows?
Are you trying to say Microsoft doesn't innovate every single time they incrementally update SharePoint?
Are you trying to say Microsoft doesn't innovate every single time they incrementally update MSSQL?
Are you trying to say Microsoft doesn't innovate every single time they incrementally update Visual Studio?
*/sarcasm*
They have something I could only dream of at MS: all they need to do is add a few things, fix a few bugs and increment a version number and they will automatically make droves of money from it. Innovation they do not have. I don't even remember the last time they took a risk and released something totally new. It sure wasn't Office, it sure isn't the *new* Hotmail and I'll bet my life on the fact that it won't be Office 2012.
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fat chance. that would be totally against Apple's minimalist nature not to mention the iPad did pretty fine without one even though many said it needed one. just buy a Windows 7 Slate if you want a real stylus.
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Duh. Of course they are. Do you think they released Android for you or so they can learn more about you to better target ads for you? They run a fucking business. It isn't a missionary. I wonder when/if all the fanboys will take off their "but it's open" Google Goggles and get with the picture.
The 35% income tax plus the 8.5% sales tax I pay are more than enough of a sacrifice to pay in "exchange for citizenship". Having to on top of that take unpaid days off is ludicrous. I might as well just hand my while fucking life over to big brother.
Ah yes, Good old WPF snuck in there. My favorite part of VS2010 is when it freezes the main thread to compile large projects and makes the screen turn white when you click on it. Good old VS2010...
Wow. Just wow. I'm speechless. I hope you are kidding.
MS has the big wiener/little wiener syndrome. If they make software for the iPad than they are admitting defeat. What I don't understand is that why for the past decade+ tablets with OS's designed for mouse/keyboard have all failed. The iPad is arguably the first successful tablet and it runs a touch-based OS. Given this information, why would Win7 on a tablet be successful? Don't they have people at MS that are supposed to ask Ballmer this question?
let the down-modding begin! adios to your score. you can't go into an android thread and start saying private API's are a good thing. recipe for disaster. Open is god! Open is right!
Oh god, here we go with the "everything should be open" talk. Just like all the RIM phones, right? And the Android phones you have to root? And the router you have to hack new firmware onto? You will never see a true open market and even if you did it most certainly wouldn't have superior technology. It's just not the way the world works man. Wake up!
VS2010 is a little bit better. Blend 3 is a little bit better too. Honestly, neither are actually good yet. VS2010's editor is now written in XAML/WPF which makes for some interesting white outs. I have beast of a computer with 12 Gigs of RAM running 64bit Win7 and the white outs are unavoidable. I think we still need more powerful computers if we are going to use XAML/WPF for our GUIs.
Silverlight is just a fancy term for a mobile version of .NET these days (well, that is my take on it)
That is partially correct. The big thing about Silverlight that is different is that you are forced to use WPF and XAML for your GUI. Painful to say the least.
Easy, yes. But you're stuck in Silverlight (unless making a game)! What a pile of shit. It has already proven even with Microsoft's massive Silverlight push that it cant even beat the equally shitty Flash. Now they are forcing Silverlight into the mobile space? I guess they figured it will never gain traction on the desktop so why not force people to use it on mobile and maybe they will then decide to use it on the desktop... Maybe the ploy will work. Hopefully it wont. The last thing we need is shitty "developers" hacking together shitty mobile apps then releasing them as desktop apps and web apps. *shudders*
Best be careful making comments like that on Slashdot. Open is right. Open is God. Open rules. Even if open isn't really that good it is still better. Even if you have to root your Android phone to make it open it is still better. Wait, can't you root and jailbreak an iPhone too...
Yet another typical /. fucking moron comment. Is everyone on this site an MS/Apple/Insert Company Fanboy/Hater?
Apple didn't "cut support" for first gen iPhones and iTouches. They don't contain hardware capable of handling some features of the new iOS so they don't get them. That's nothing different than Doom 3 having a higher RAM/processor requirement than Doom 2. It's not like if you open the App Store you just won't get new stuff. Don't be a fucking moron and write shit that isn't true.
Sometimes I wonder why I even read /. comments. They are so fucking predictable.
First off, you don't have to pay Apple anything to make Mac apps (besides owning a Mac and honestly if you don't own and use a Mac you have not business developing for it). There is a paltry $99 per year fee to make iPhone/iPod/iPad apps but no one is forcing you to make iPhone apps. On a side note, you have to pay RIM, Palm and Google money if you want to get in their app stores as well so they must be "open technology abusers" as well.
Here is some of Apple's open source code: http://www.opensource.apple.com/ Maybe you should download a few Gigs of source code before you start talking shit about something you don't know about.
Apple makes iOS which is based on OS X and puts it on iPhones, iPads and iPods. They took their own OS (which I might add has a large amount of open source code in it and more coming at fairly steady intervals). Read that again, "they took their own OS". The OS they spent years making and invested tons of time/money into. They give every person who owns an OS X license a free copy of their entire development stack: Xcode, Interface Builder, Dashcode, Instruments, Quartz Composer, PackageMaker, FileMerge, etc, etc, etc. They arguable provide the most complete set of frameworks available for any platform (Cocoa/CoreFoundation) to developers. You can build a Mac or iPhone app with GCD (open source). Apple has provided piles of code to the GCD project. You can now build Mac and iPhone apps with LLVM (open source). Apple has provided piles of code to the LLVM project.
So, given that information (and taking into account that Apple is a business that needs to make money to survive) why on earth do they need to allow someone to make Mac apps on Linux/Windows? You don't make any fucking sense man. None at all. Have you seen the cost of Microsoft's developer tools recently? And don't bother mentioning the "Express" versions of their software that don't allow commercial products.
To sum things up, many readers of /. would like every company on earth to make everything "open and free" no matter what the cost to said company. If a company does not do this, they will get piles of complaints from slashdotters who wouldn't do anything different even if said company did make something "open".
Really? Are you proud of yourself for being so loyal to Google? Maybe you should try searching on Bing. Maybe you should try developing for the iPhone. Maybe you should have cashed in on your Bing dollars. But most of all, maybe you should stop patting yourself on the back for being so closed minded and get outside for a little while....without your Google Android phone. Here's to wishful thinking...
"A Professional Perspective On Apple's Retina Display" I thought everyone who puts words on the Internets was a professional....seems redundant
But isn't the whole gist of the Android argument on /. that you can download, compile, modify and install it yourself? That's what the whole iPhone is closed/Android is open argument has been for months. You already have FroYo if that is true.
Highly recommended for anyone out there looking for a PHP framework that actually makes sense.
Why, why, why must every article mention the iPad/Apple? Can't any of the Linux/MS fanboys of the world find anything compelling enough to actually stand on its own? In other news: - Some BP employees helping with oil spill wrecking the Gulf enjoy using iPads - The massive sinkhole that isn't a sinkhole in Guatemala happens to be within 100 yards of an iMac - AMD's Fusion Processor Combines CPU and GPU (won't run iPhone OS 4.0)
Amen and well said. It amuses me to no end seeing the comments from people who have never developed for a mobile device saying fragmentation is BS and desktop has been dealing with it for years so it's no problem at all. What a joke. Try developing an app where: - there may or may not be a physical keyboard - the screen resolution may or may not differ - the screen aspect ration may or may not differ - the screen DPI may or may not differ - the camera may or may not work (or exist) - the RAM could vary wildly - the processor could vary wildly - there may or may not be multitouch - the screen may or may not be of decent enough quality to accurately and quickly detect touches The list goes on and on and on and it will only get longer over time. I just cant wait until there are tablets of every conceivable configuration and OS version on the market. Even then there will be my good buddies commenting on how "fragmentation is FUD".
Tablets have been running full OS versions for years and they failed. Two thumbs up for HP figuring this out and moving forward with a proper touch based OS on their tablet.
WTF? Linux extinguishing something? Beating Redmond at it's own game? What game might that be? The last one is the best of all: the comment isn't talking about new Windows builds, it's talking about Linux builds that aren't gonna happen. It ALREADY works on Windows. *head explodes from ridiculous comment*
Seems silly to cite iAd as a competitor when it will literally only ever be allowed on iPhones where in Googles case they will push add on any and every phone.
*sarcasm* Are you trying to say Microsoft doesn't innovate every single time they incrementally update Office? Are you trying to say Microsoft doesn't innovate every single time they incrementally update Windows? Are you trying to say Microsoft doesn't innovate every single time they incrementally update SharePoint? Are you trying to say Microsoft doesn't innovate every single time they incrementally update MSSQL? Are you trying to say Microsoft doesn't innovate every single time they incrementally update Visual Studio? */sarcasm* They have something I could only dream of at MS: all they need to do is add a few things, fix a few bugs and increment a version number and they will automatically make droves of money from it. Innovation they do not have. I don't even remember the last time they took a risk and released something totally new. It sure wasn't Office, it sure isn't the *new* Hotmail and I'll bet my life on the fact that it won't be Office 2012.