With the incredible job that has been done with Spiderman and X-Men, why do they have to beat batman to death? The first two were ok, dark, brooding, just like the comics. Then they decided to follow the campy television series.
They have pretty much killed batman already IMO. The studios have the right idea with the Marvel franchise - but it seems that Dollar Comics produces worse movies. I wonder why that is?
Like most slashbots, I read a great deal on the internet, and I read a larger number of books than the populace at large.
However, I have started to actually absorb more information while reading less. This slashdot article discusses timeshifting, and using timeshifting I "read" a great deal more.
www.audible.com is an incredible service - and I now listen to two books a month from them. I listen while driving to and from work, I also listen when at the gym or jogging. As a result, I am able to get through more books (and exercise!) than I otherwise normally would. So do I read less? Perhaps - but I am absorbing more.
Blatant plug: www.audible.com is the only site I have ever seen that actually justifies (in its own way) DRM files that I would say are worth paying for. If you like it, and sign up, say "chumkil" reccomended you. (I told you this was a blatant plug!:)
Well - given that DNA is a molecule that encodes for protiens, which are molecules themselves, and cells and associated things ARE nanobots - it is far easier to use DNA as your assembly machine than some "super nano-assembler". Also, "regular" machines are inefficent compared to a cell. ATP conversion by mitochondira is remarkably better with energy than the car you drive. If you build a machine, you need to power it - and at the molecular level, the best constant source of power we know of belongs to cells, and thus, DNA.
DNA is open source, it has a LONG history. Trying to create nano-bots from other means will be expensive, and less likely to succeed. It will be easier to modify existing objects (cells or protiens) than to build them from the ground up. Furthermore, we cannot build a really useful one (for medicine anyway) until we determine how our own cells work.
As I mentioned in a post on the last story with a worry about Grey Ooze (goo), James Watson touches on this in his recent book: DNA: The Secret of Life. Which, by the way is an excellent read.
One of the things that most people don't understand about genetics is that, well, we don't understand it well enough to get even close to creating a Grey Ooze like nanobot. Now, one can argue that because we don't understand it we could inadvertently create this. However, what you need to understand is that mutations of DNA are extremely common, in fact, they are a regular event. More manipulation of DNA has occured through mutation than we can even hope of creating in a lab, for, oh, probably the next 100 years at the very least.
So if it was a risk, it probably would have created itself on the bacterial level long ago. The odds of it occuring via natural selection are higher than us creating it.
Furthermore, each species has various defense mechanisms that are unbelivably complex. It is also the reason that Simian Monkey Virus which is present in polio vaccinations, and causes cancer in rats, ironically has no effect on humans. Each defense mechanism is different, a Grey Ooze would have to evolve to defend against each immune system - even the immune defenses of things such as bacteria. If it evolved - then it would no longer be a mono-culture, and thus, not be Grey Ooze anymore, it would then only be able to assimilate creature "X" before altering to assimilate creature "Y".
If you read Watson's book you will gain an excellent overview to our current understanding of DNA and cellular mechanisms, and you will understand why this scenario is increasingly unlikely.
One of the interesting things (to computer geeks anyway) is that we have the source code (human genome) but we don't know how to complile it, or run it (we don't understand the protiens it encodes, or even how those protiens interact on a cellular level yet).
Just because we have the source, and we know that the source is divided into 3 letter "words" which are then addressed as Genes. We are nowhere near being able to create our own compilers. That is, we have the source, but we cannot compile it on our own. The best we can really do at the current stage is "patch" the code, to insert, delete or replace genes. And, while this may seem like a threat on some level - remember that this is exactly what evolution is doing right now on a masive scale. In fact, other processess are doing this in your body RIGHT NOW in your own cells - and the cells of the bacteria that are living in and on you at this very moment.
Watson mentions how biologists had a 5 year moratorium on research due to this fear. Unfortunately, as Watson admits himself - he had great reservations about endorsing that programme because he (and many other biologists) recognized that the potential to help people is far far greater than the likelyhood of creating a Grey Ooze.
Can scientists turn a blind eye to people suffering from genetic diseases or cancer because of a statistically improbable (and probably physically impossible) Grey Ooze worry?
As a Canadian, I was going to make this very joke, but I was beat to the punch.
However, I would like to know from those Americans on Slashdot: Where the heck does "aboot" come from? I have never met anyone in Canada that pronounces "about" as "aboot". Do any of you know where this originates?
In James Watson's recent book "DNA, The Secret of Life" he touches on this problem. He mentions that the likelyhood of a nano-disaster is unlikely. His discussion is too lengthy to mention here (and I don't have the book in my hands right now) but it is a convincing counterpoint against this possibility.
Also, one forgets that cells have been evolving against this possiblity for billions of years. If a "Gray Ooze" were possible it would very likely have appeared on its own. As it is, cells, and multi-cellular organisms have extremely sophisiticated (sp) means of defense. While will be possible to create a disease that kills millions or billions of humans, I worry far more about nuclear war.
as if meters aren't expensive enough... We really needed someone to come up w/the bright idea to allow dynamic changes to parking meters.
The last parking meter I parked at was 25 cents for 10 minutes. That's just nuts. This will just enable them to have meters that take credit cards forcing even higher rates.
Want a way to stop people from coming downtown? Raise the rates on the meters even higher.
You ever tried to find parking in downtown Montreal during an event? Hell, there is a reason when I lived in Montreal I did not even bother to get my drivers licence. The transit system there is wicked, and you can get pretty much anywhere you need to with it. But parking in the downtown core? It was always a pain in the ass. There is just not enough parking there, hell, when I went back to visit, I parked on the outskirts and took the metro to get downtown. I saved time on the parking.
Look at it this way - it is a tax on those who are too lazy to take the public transit system, which is better for the environment anyhow. With the amount of parking space that is there I have no sympathy for anyone who drives in circles around the St. Catherines St Laurent area looking for a spot.
Re:virus-targeting, and the cause of the problem
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Well I run several *nix servers, my home and office machine are both Win XP. I ave *never* been infected by a virus. Never.
In the words of some of the security professionals out there(from the people at @stake and foundstone):
If you have never been hacked [sic] you are either too small a target to be worthwhile, or, you have been hit, but are not good enough to notice.
Amongst security professionals, you are rated good if when asked how many times have you been hacked in the last 5 years, and your answer is "once or twice". If it is "never" that is almost as bad as "lots".
Well yeah - her father is a nuclear physicist, and she is familiar with how radiation works. She also carries the proper gear.
That would all be required stuff to travel in the area. I am not so insane as to suggest that I would travel into said area without proper research, permission (because I don't want a bullet ruining my day), and of course a geiger counter and dosimeter.
I think it would be an interesting place to see, and, as she mentions, it would be one hell of a place to ride a motorcycle too.
I have a few old bikes, specifically Nortons. I would really like to get my 1962 650 SS up and running and take it over there just to ride around.
Sure, it won't even come close to her bike - but hell, I wanted to get it restored and ride across Canada from coast to coast, now taking it to the ghost town seems somehow much more appealing.
I wonder how many people will start doing this?
In the end, I hope she makes some $$$ as a tour guide. Similar to what she mentions other people do.
So the slashdot crowd was wrong. (Yet again) Good thing I did not short those SCO stocks before... However, I feel that most slashdotters don't really understand what marketing is.
Even though "marketing" is a dread-word around here, Apple seems to have a really good marketing department to me. They get it right quite often.
Remember, marketing does not just reffer to the selling process of a given item, but also the process by which you conduct research into a given area to determine if there really is a market after all. It is important to check to see if the market is there by research, because what you can divine just by intuition is often wrong for marketing.
A very interesting read (even if you are a computer only type geek) on marketing is:
It covers things like how Listerine was the market leader for mouthwash - because everyone wanted to keep their mouth free from germs - and the medicie taste was irrelevant... Enter Scope, with better tasting mouthwash for "fresh breath" not germ killing so much, and now Scope is #1 in the market - Listerine #2.
That is an awesome link - it makes me feel better about the last few albums I bought from KMFDM. Only one is listed as possibly contaminated by the RIAA. I think I will email the guys and find out.
Hey, if there are any KMFDM fans out there, start *BUYING* their albums. These guys deserve our support.
One of the things about D&D that helped me to realize that my social skills were lacking at the time I started playing it was the character stats.
When the DM went over the stats, and what they were for, and *WHY* the stats mattered in the game, he helped me to think, what would *MY* stats be, and how would that affect my game - or more accurately, real life.
Once they begin to realize that social skills (or Charisma for the D&D analogy) are important, you can direct them to resources such as Dale Carnagies "how to win friends and influence people". The thing is, you have to give them a reason to want to have social skills. At a certain stage they probably are vhemently against developing social skills because of just how different they are.
Get them to realize why "charisma" is important, and they will be intelligent enough to start researching this stuff on their own. D&D is not a bad way to start.
I had (attempted) to post an ask slashdot query about where to find good beginner calculus resourses, then a week later this pops up, so very helpful in that regard.
What I find really ironic though, is that I decided to start downloading the books, fully expecting the sites to be slashdotted. However, they are running just fine.
I have to wonder as to the quality of "nerds" we have here if lots of us are *NOT* downloading books on calculus.
Come on, you in the back! You are a jock! You don't know what an integral is do you? Get outta here!
How ironic is it that I just started reading Voodoo Science last night, and the first chapter deals with Cold Fusion. The author notes that with the wide discreditaion of Cold Fusion, the new Fusion in a Jar proponents are coming up with similar things - but with different names - to Cold Fusion.
I have a few questions for this type of fusion (Those of you who have read the book, or are up on the cold fusion controversy will get this):
1) Can I have a cup of tea?
2) How many neutrons are emitted over the background noise?
3) How is the health of the lab assistant? (Related to question 2).
Will I play DX2? Sure... When it comes out in the bargain bin. I was all set to buy it, I even had my copy set aside in my name, then I read the reviews, and tried the demo. So, I decided to wait. I am not saying I won't give it a try, but I don't own a console, and I will wait some time before all the bugs are fixed. I am in no hurry to play a possibly dissapointing sequel.
As other posters have mentioned, there were a number of people who were disgruntled with Deus Ex 2. Due to the following reasons:
1) Bad Framerate 2) Oversimplified controls (depth of wepons etc missing) 3) Bad AI 4) Simplified story
Now, I have not played Deus Ex 2 because of the above reasons, however, I have played every other game that Warren Spector was involved in with the exception of Terra Nova. In fact, of my top ten favorite games of all time, only one (Half Life) did not involve Warren Spector in one way or another. (Although, IMO, it was influenced by his work on other things...)
Thief 1 was revolutionary - it was the first sneaker ever. Out of it sprung things like Splinter Cell, which has been very popular.
However, I am very concerned that with the push that Spector currently has towards console games that Thief 3 will be runied by this direction.
As you can see here (not slashdotted like the real site) Thief 3 already has a third person mode, like Splinter Cell.
It will probably be sucessful on consoles, and probably be considered (ironically) a knock off of Splinter Cell.
But, will it please the hard core fans? I don't know about that. If they can keep one thing, I as a hard core fan will be pleased:
A really good story, like the first two.
I will buy it, I have to. I have to finish the trilogy and find out what happens to Garrett. I just hope I am not dissapointed on the journey.
Those of you who have played the first two will know what I mean.
A creative use of an LCD I suppose. I would really like to read more about it... However, it appears someone needs to dive their dumpster and recycle their bandwith from the slashdot effect...
How do you discover new music on P2P? Geeks may know about things like iRate Radio, but your average P2P user is going to download the trash that the radio tells them to like.
I have never heard of iRate radio, however, I like KMFDM and Front 242. What does this have to do with P2P? Well, I started looking for KMFDM and Front 242 songs that I could not find in a store, and lo and behold I started to find remixes on P2P by groups called "Gravity Kills". So I looked up Gravity Kills, and I like their music. While looking for Gravity Kills, I came upon Juno Reactor. I found I like both groups, and my horizon for industrial techno has been expanding. I had never heard of Gravity Kills or Juno Reactor before P2P, and there is a large number of other groups that I have been discovering by this method.
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With the incredible job that has been done with Spiderman and X-Men, why do they have to beat batman to death? The first two were ok, dark, brooding, just like the comics. Then they decided to follow the campy television series.
They have pretty much killed batman already IMO. The studios have the right idea with the Marvel franchise - but it seems that Dollar Comics produces worse movies. I wonder why that is?
Like most slashbots, I read a great deal on the internet, and I read a larger number of books than the populace at large.
:)
However, I have started to actually absorb more information while reading less. This slashdot article discusses timeshifting, and using timeshifting I "read" a great deal more.
www.audible.com is an incredible service - and I now listen to two books a month from them. I listen while driving to and from work, I also listen when at the gym or jogging. As a result, I am able to get through more books (and exercise!) than I otherwise normally would. So do I read less? Perhaps - but I am absorbing more.
Blatant plug: www.audible.com is the only site I have ever seen that actually justifies (in its own way) DRM files that I would say are worth paying for. If you like it, and sign up, say "chumkil" reccomended you. (I told you this was a blatant plug!
Well - given that DNA is a molecule that encodes for protiens, which are molecules themselves, and cells and associated things ARE nanobots - it is far easier to use DNA as your assembly machine than some "super nano-assembler". Also, "regular" machines are inefficent compared to a cell. ATP conversion by mitochondira is remarkably better with energy than the car you drive. If you build a machine, you need to power it - and at the molecular level, the best constant source of power we know of belongs to cells, and thus, DNA.
DNA is open source, it has a LONG history. Trying to create nano-bots from other means will be expensive, and less likely to succeed. It will be easier to modify existing objects (cells or protiens) than to build them from the ground up. Furthermore, we cannot build a really useful one (for medicine anyway) until we determine how our own cells work.
As I mentioned in a post on the last story with a worry about Grey Ooze (goo), James Watson touches on this in his recent book: DNA: The Secret of Life. Which, by the way is an excellent read.
One of the things that most people don't understand about genetics is that, well, we don't understand it well enough to get even close to creating a Grey Ooze like nanobot. Now, one can argue that because we don't understand it we could inadvertently create this. However, what you need to understand is that mutations of DNA are extremely common, in fact, they are a regular event. More manipulation of DNA has occured through mutation than we can even hope of creating in a lab, for, oh, probably the next 100 years at the very least.
So if it was a risk, it probably would have created itself on the bacterial level long ago. The odds of it occuring via natural selection are higher than us creating it.
Furthermore, each species has various defense mechanisms that are unbelivably complex. It is also the reason that Simian Monkey Virus which is present in polio vaccinations, and causes cancer in rats, ironically has no effect on humans. Each defense mechanism is different, a Grey Ooze would have to evolve to defend against each immune system - even the immune defenses of things such as bacteria. If it evolved - then it would no longer be a mono-culture, and thus, not be Grey Ooze anymore, it would then only be able to assimilate creature "X" before altering to assimilate creature "Y".
If you read Watson's book you will gain an excellent overview to our current understanding of DNA and cellular mechanisms, and you will understand why this scenario is increasingly unlikely.
One of the interesting things (to computer geeks anyway) is that we have the source code (human genome) but we don't know how to complile it, or run it (we don't understand the protiens it encodes, or even how those protiens interact on a cellular level yet).
Just because we have the source, and we know that the source is divided into 3 letter "words" which are then addressed as Genes. We are nowhere near being able to create our own compilers. That is, we have the source, but we cannot compile it on our own. The best we can really do at the current stage is "patch" the code, to insert, delete or replace genes. And, while this may seem like a threat on some level - remember that this is exactly what evolution is doing right now on a masive scale. In fact, other processess are doing this in your body RIGHT NOW in your own cells - and the cells of the bacteria that are living in and on you at this very moment.
Watson mentions how biologists had a 5 year moratorium on research due to this fear. Unfortunately, as Watson admits himself - he had great reservations about endorsing that programme because he (and many other biologists) recognized that the potential to help people is far far greater than the likelyhood of creating a Grey Ooze.
Can scientists turn a blind eye to people suffering from genetic diseases or cancer because of a statistically improbable (and probably physically impossible) Grey Ooze worry?
As a Canadian, I was going to make this very joke, but I was beat to the punch.
;)
However, I would like to know from those Americans on Slashdot: Where the heck does "aboot" come from? I have never met anyone in Canada that pronounces "about" as "aboot". Do any of you know where this originates?
(PS: "Zed" not "Zee"
In James Watson's recent book "DNA, The Secret of Life" he touches on this problem. He mentions that the likelyhood of a nano-disaster is unlikely. His discussion is too lengthy to mention here (and I don't have the book in my hands right now) but it is a convincing counterpoint against this possibility.
Also, one forgets that cells have been evolving against this possiblity for billions of years. If a "Gray Ooze" were possible it would very likely have appeared on its own. As it is, cells, and multi-cellular organisms have extremely sophisiticated (sp) means of defense. While will be possible to create a disease that kills millions or billions of humans, I worry far more about nuclear war.
I wish people would stop reading meaning into everything, it's just stupid. It's just like those people who see Jesus on tortillas...pure idiocy.
1) Make Jesus Tortillas.
2) Sell Jesus Tortillas.
3) Profit!
as if meters aren't expensive enough... We really needed someone to come up w/the bright idea to allow dynamic changes to parking meters.
The last parking meter I parked at was 25 cents for 10 minutes. That's just nuts. This will just enable them to have meters that take credit cards forcing even higher rates.
Want a way to stop people from coming downtown? Raise the rates on the meters even higher.
You ever tried to find parking in downtown Montreal during an event? Hell, there is a reason when I lived in Montreal I did not even bother to get my drivers licence. The transit system there is wicked, and you can get pretty much anywhere you need to with it. But parking in the downtown core? It was always a pain in the ass. There is just not enough parking there, hell, when I went back to visit, I parked on the outskirts and took the metro to get downtown. I saved time on the parking.
Look at it this way - it is a tax on those who are too lazy to take the public transit system, which is better for the environment anyhow. With the amount of parking space that is there I have no sympathy for anyone who drives in circles around the St. Catherines St Laurent area looking for a spot.
Perhaps it is beginning to start?
Well I run several *nix servers, my home and office machine are both Win XP. I ave *never* been infected by a virus. Never.
In the words of some of the security professionals out there(from the people at @stake and foundstone):
If you have never been hacked [sic] you are either too small a target to be worthwhile, or, you have been hit, but are not good enough to notice.
Amongst security professionals, you are rated good if when asked how many times have you been hacked in the last 5 years, and your answer is "once or twice". If it is "never" that is almost as bad as "lots".
Well yeah - her father is a nuclear physicist, and she is familiar with how radiation works. She also carries the proper gear.
That would all be required stuff to travel in the area. I am not so insane as to suggest that I would travel into said area without proper research, permission (because I don't want a bullet ruining my day), and of course a geiger counter and dosimeter.
I think it would be an interesting place to see, and, as she mentions, it would be one hell of a place to ride a motorcycle too.
I have a few old bikes, specifically Nortons. I would really like to get my 1962 650 SS up and running and take it over there just to ride around.
Sure, it won't even come close to her bike - but hell, I wanted to get it restored and ride across Canada from coast to coast, now taking it to the ghost town seems somehow much more appealing.
I wonder how many people will start doing this?
In the end, I hope she makes some $$$ as a tour guide. Similar to what she mentions other people do.
ME: My firewall is 127.0.0.1...
911 POLICE SUPPORT: his firewall is 127.34.125.254...
ME: Hmm. Seems to be on the same subnet as mine...
911: Hey.. Its really close...
ME: With those ping times... That is really close...
911: OH MY GOD, THATS IN YOUR OWN HOUSE!!!
ME: What? Bu... *THUD*..........%#$%!$#$#$###NO CARRIER###
Well, given that there were posts on /. about shorting SCOX back in 2003, I would say - no, shorting back then would have been a loss.
http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=SCOX&t=1y
So the slashdot crowd was wrong. (Yet again) Good thing I did not short those SCO stocks before... However, I feel that most slashdotters don't really understand what marketing is.
Even though "marketing" is a dread-word around here, Apple seems to have a really good marketing department to me. They get it right quite often.
Remember, marketing does not just reffer to the selling process of a given item, but also the process by which you conduct research into a given area to determine if there really is a market after all. It is important to check to see if the market is there by research, because what you can divine just by intuition is often wrong for marketing.
A very interesting read (even if you are a computer only type geek) on marketing is:
The 22 Immutable Laws of Marketing
It covers things like how Listerine was the market leader for mouthwash - because everyone wanted to keep their mouth free from germs - and the medicie taste was irrelevant... Enter Scope, with better tasting mouthwash for "fresh breath" not germ killing so much, and now Scope is #1 in the market - Listerine #2.
That is an awesome link - it makes me feel better about the last few albums I bought from KMFDM. Only one is listed as possibly contaminated by the RIAA. I think I will email the guys and find out.
Hey, if there are any KMFDM fans out there, start *BUYING* their albums. These guys deserve our support.
One of the things about D&D that helped me to realize that my social skills were lacking at the time I started playing it was the character stats.
When the DM went over the stats, and what they were for, and *WHY* the stats mattered in the game, he helped me to think, what would *MY* stats be, and how would that affect my game - or more accurately, real life.
Once they begin to realize that social skills (or Charisma for the D&D analogy) are important, you can direct them to resources such as Dale Carnagies "how to win friends and influence people". The thing is, you have to give them a reason to want to have social skills. At a certain stage they probably are vhemently against developing social skills because of just how different they are.
Get them to realize why "charisma" is important, and they will be intelligent enough to start researching this stuff on their own. D&D is not a bad way to start.
I had (attempted) to post an ask slashdot query about where to find good beginner calculus resourses, then a week later this pops up, so very helpful in that regard.
What I find really ironic though, is that I decided to start downloading the books, fully expecting the sites to be slashdotted. However, they are running just fine.
I have to wonder as to the quality of "nerds" we have here if lots of us are *NOT* downloading books on calculus.
Come on, you in the back! You are a jock! You don't know what an integral is do you? Get outta here!
How ironic is it that I just started reading Voodoo Science last night, and the first chapter deals with Cold Fusion. The author notes that with the wide discreditaion of Cold Fusion, the new Fusion in a Jar proponents are coming up with similar things - but with different names - to Cold Fusion.
I have a few questions for this type of fusion (Those of you who have read the book, or are up on the cold fusion controversy will get this):
1) Can I have a cup of tea?
2) How many neutrons are emitted over the background noise?
3) How is the health of the lab assistant? (Related to question 2).
Will I play DX2? Sure... When it comes out in the bargain bin. I was all set to buy it, I even had my copy set aside in my name, then I read the reviews, and tried the demo. So, I decided to wait. I am not saying I won't give it a try, but I don't own a console, and I will wait some time before all the bugs are fixed. I am in no hurry to play a possibly dissapointing sequel.
I will however, give it a try in about a year.
As other posters have mentioned, there were a number of people who were disgruntled with Deus Ex 2. Due to the following reasons:
1) Bad Framerate
2) Oversimplified controls (depth of wepons etc missing)
3) Bad AI
4) Simplified story
Now, I have not played Deus Ex 2 because of the above reasons, however, I have played every other game that Warren Spector was involved in with the exception of Terra Nova. In fact, of my top ten favorite games of all time, only one (Half Life) did not involve Warren Spector in one way or another. (Although, IMO, it was influenced by his work on other things...)
Thief 1 was revolutionary - it was the first sneaker ever. Out of it sprung things like Splinter Cell, which has been very popular.
However, I am very concerned that with the push that Spector currently has towards console games that Thief 3 will be runied by this direction.
As you can see here (not slashdotted like the real site) Thief 3 already has a third person mode, like Splinter Cell.
It will probably be sucessful on consoles, and probably be considered (ironically) a knock off of Splinter Cell.
But, will it please the hard core fans? I don't know about that. If they can keep one thing, I as a hard core fan will be pleased:
A really good story, like the first two.
I will buy it, I have to. I have to finish the trilogy and find out what happens to Garrett. I just hope I am not dissapointed on the journey.
Those of you who have played the first two will know what I mean.
And I the only one who thinks that the anti trust case that basically fell apart in the U.S. against MS, fell apart because MS is an American company?
Yeah, kind of like how the Japanese call "Japan"
"Nihom", not "Japan".
A creative use of an LCD I suppose. I would really like to read more about it... However, it appears someone needs to dive their dumpster and recycle their bandwith from the slashdot effect...
How do you discover new music on P2P? Geeks may know about things like iRate Radio, but your average P2P user is going to download the trash that the radio tells them to like.
I have never heard of iRate radio, however, I like KMFDM and Front 242. What does this have to do with P2P? Well, I started looking for KMFDM and Front 242 songs that I could not find in a store, and lo and behold I started to find remixes on P2P by groups called "Gravity Kills". So I looked up Gravity Kills, and I like their music. While looking for Gravity Kills, I came upon Juno Reactor. I found I like both groups, and my horizon for industrial techno has been expanding. I had never heard of Gravity Kills or Juno Reactor before P2P, and there is a large number of other groups that I have been discovering by this method.