As a matter of fact, I have. However, are YOU aware that not everyone has access to IMAP for their e-mail accounts? You do realize that there is a much larger world then the one you've created in your parent's basement? Ever heard of SMTP? You know, the protocol that the majority of the world still uses for sending/receiving e-mail?
"Even so. Why wouldn't people pay to go to a theater to see a movie even if there was no copyright on it?"
Because when you allow people to legally copy movies on the internet they will do so en masse, then watch them on their large screen TVs in the conmfort of their own homes, without all the distractions that come with the so-called "Theater Experience". No, this won't happen overnight but it WILL happen were copyright to go away, thus making it extremely difficult, if not impossible financially, to make films without the backing of advertisers. I don't know about you but I hate it when I'm watching a movie or TV show and it's painfully obvious which auto manufacturer "donated" the cars the characters drive. Multiply that times about a million when you begin to factor in the food and beverages they consume, the computers and other electronic devices they use, and/or the papers and magazines they read (and the fact that the camera will HAVE to focus in on these products at some point in the movie). Hooray for the assholes who were too short-sighted to see where all this was headed simply because they wanted shit for free; don't kid yourself and believe this has to do with rights or other altruistic goals. Any more stupid questions you want answered?
You can't really use the Mac Mini for gaming anyway as it uses a low-end integrated Intel Graphics chip set. I loaded WoW when I got my mini and found that I could only get a somewhat usable frame rate if I turned off EVERYTHING that made the WoW world rich and engulfing. My Dell XPS M2010 runs WoW fine with its mobile ATI chip set, 1600x1050, everything turned on maximum.
Robert Heinlein had the best solution to this problem that I've seen so far. In Starship Troopers only citizens could vote. To become a citizen you had to serve in the military. Now, I'm not suggesting we use conscription but I do like the idea of forcing people to participate in their country in some way to earn the right to vote. This could be some form of community service through the Peace Corps or actual military service for that matter. There would have to be exceptions made for handicapped individuals but I'm sure there are lots of ways to work around this with specific types of services handicapped people can apply for that others cannot. You'd obviously have to grandfather people in as a system like this took hold but the idea of getting people to take an active role in their country might also get them to consider political choices a lot more carefully as well.
"While I think it shameful that the DVD producers have decided that I need to pay extra to run a DVD that I already own,..."
No, they have not decided this. They charge a license for codecs to DVD player manufacturers as well but those are built in to the devices out of the box so the costs are already part of the price set by the manufacturer. With computers, you do not purchase the ability to use your system as a DVD player simply y purchasing hardware, you purchase the codecs, and subsequently, through the OS or similar solution such as the one offered by Ubuntu.
It's clear to me that Orson Scott Card, like so many here on Slashdot, fails to understand the basics of copyright. YOU CANNOT COPYRIGHT AN IDEA, ONLY THE EXPRESSION OF AN IDEA!!! Did you understand that? I can wrote a hundred books about a kid who grows up under an oppressed family structure, I just can't call my characters Ender Wiggins or Harry Potter.
I guess you're a fucking idiot. I'll bet you I'm a lot closer to the truth then you are. Why not just say "I have no fucking clue what I'm talking about so take what I have to say with a grain of salt..." so any other idiots like you on Slashdot won't actually assume you know what you are talking about? While I'm on it, why do people feel the need to pull statistics out of their ass when they try to make a point on a forum?
...are missing the bigger picture. This is ad #1 of a series that will unfold to tell a larger story about Vista. The ads are done by Crispin Porter + Bogusky who have developed some of the best and most memorable ads in the industry. I'm holding off judgement until ad #2 or 3 at the very least. Also remember that any publicity is good publicity and while it's no surprise people on Slashdot didn't like the ad (or aren't admitting it anyway - CP+B could have done the PC v Mac ads only in reverse and you guys would still be a bunch of haters) you are talking about and distributing the ad to potentially millions of internet viewers, many of whom might not be so rabid anti-ms weenies.
Bullshit. Vista is not any more resource hungry then any other modern OS. XP s even less resource hungry than Vista. OSS proponents used to get so worked up with all the anti-OSS/Linux/GNU/[insert pet OSS project here] FUD but are more then willing to spread FUD about Windows? Hypocrite much?
HP, Dell, et al don't care about selling Linux, they care about selling computers. If linux helps then so be it. So far, Windows has been what helps sell computers given all the application compatibility that's out there. If the OSS proponents would pull their heads out of their asses and listen to the potential customers then perhaps things will change. As long as these developers insist on dictating how things are going to be then the rest of the world is going to ignore them as well.
Affecting a political outcome and changing the policies of your government is NOT a fucking hobby. If you want change you need to put forth commitment and while this might not be a full-time job, it is a second job at the very least. This is not another fucking coding project you can fork if you don't like the way things are going, you can't call others noobs, and you actually have to learn something about social interaction if you want others to listen to your ideas. If you treat this like another OSS project then it will languish in code hell, a perpetual alpha with the occasional vulture picking at the carcass every now and then.
There is NO reason why they couldn't utilize the iPhone and its camera to handle barcode scanning and that the handhelds currently use. The point is, why is it hypocritical of Microsoft to use Jerry Seinfeld as a spokesperson (It's not like Jerry ever USED the computer in his apartment and it was likely paid product placement by Apple) and not when Apple uses Microsoft's products (all the while trying to tell us they suck - why not use Linux handhelds at the very least if Microsoft sucks so bad?).
...in their own closets before looking for skeletons in Microsoft's closets.
"Mac users might be quite amused, considering that (like many other TV shows) the set of Seinfeld always had a Macintosh prominently displayed in the background."
Perhaps Mac users might want to head on over to the Apple Store sometime and purchase a computer or other item where the little Apple monkeys have to retrieve it from the storeroom. Take careful notice of the handheld devices they use. At least Windows users can claim Apple paid for the product placement, what's Apple's excuse for using Windows Mobile devices to manage inventory like that?
"Even the crudest CD-writing software could make a simple backup. I remember reading a developer blog which mentioned that at peak times, there were about 50% more people playing Tribes online than actual CD's sold. However, the game made a decent profit, and Tribes 2 was given the green light for development."
Consider this though, that 50% is people who didn't fear any sort of reprisal against their illicit behavior. What happens to that number when distribution of intellectual property is legal and I can simply give you a copy of a copy of a game I downloaded from the internet? When no one has any incentive to purchase a copy, no copies will be purchased (or very few will be anyway). If 50% of the current user base enjoys the game enough to play it online all the time but not pay for it, you are going to have much bigger issues when 100% of the people are allowed to play without purchasing a copy.
This is a retarded answer for so many reason but here are a couple. I'm going to going to go out on a branch here, not because I feel this branch is thin and unstable mind you, and suggest that you pulled that 90% "statistic" straight out of your ass. Are we to honestly believe that YOU have played 100% of the games, analyzed their strengths and weaknesses and come to the conclusion that everyone can agree with that, in fact, 90% of the games out there such?!? I realize there are a lot of stupid, obtuse, and all around ignorant people who frequent Slashdot but even this is too hard for those people to swallow.
This leads me into point two, who are you to decide which games are good and which suck? What expertise do you have that allows you to speak for an entire industry? I'm going to go further out on that rather stable branch and suggest that you have very little, if any, expertise whatsoever to make such a claim. There are many genres of games and there are a lot that I happen to not enjoy, JRPGs for instance. Were I to use your scientifically illiterate litmus test I would be making the claim that JPRGs flat out suck (100% of them in fact). I would not only be wrong as sales figures clearly demonstrate, I'd rick the ire of countless cosplay weenies and I simply do not want to do that. The point is, there are games some people like and some others don't but to claim I'm going to illegally obtain a copy of a game from one genre simply because I feel most games in general suck is ridiculous. Even if you were to argue that you illegally obtain games from the same genre because you've run across a few bad apples is ridiculous.
I'e said this from the beginning, copyright reform is simply a way to legally obtain intellectual property for free simply because you don't WANT to pay for it, not CAN'T, or WOULD IF IT WERE {insert favorite excuse here}. When companies are not getting paid for their development efforts they will simply cease to develop for the public, and if you think open source can keep up with the demands of the current gaming industry, you're living in a fantasy land.
Two points. First, even if we went back to a 14/14 system today, the greater majority of works being distributed on P2P networks would still be illegal distributions. Going to a 14/14 system is NOT going to fix the problems with copyright (assuming you agree that there is a problem with copyright in the first place).
Second, 14 years might be too long if you assume that ALL works are going to lose value but when you consider that some properties can have sequels and derivatives made well after 14 years. I'm currently playing Civilization: Revolution, a game made well after the 14 year cutoff you seem to think is such a great idea.
The public domain is NOT going away. Current legislation is not killing the public domain. The only exception to this is the Eldred case that temporarily pulled and delayed a portion of works entrance in to the public domain (due to an EU directive by the way, not lobbying by Disney or the RIAA/MPAA). This, of course, assumes that copyrighted material is being created at a fixed rate. This couldn't be further from the truth as the amount of intellectual property created today is astronomical.
One last assumption that people need to get over is that you MUST be able to use the original work in your own for copyright to work. Any good artist (of which I am one) can be inspired by works both in the public domain and works protected by copyright without touching the original work at all.
"promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts"...
Once again someone conveniently drops the parts of the Constitution that impede their argument. What the section of Article I actually says is:
To promote the progress of science and useful arts, by securing for limited times to authors and inventors the exclusive right to their respective writings and discoveries;
I believe Scrabulous would fail the second part of the test utterly since Hasbro, et al has the exclusive rights to their "discover", Scrabble. Funny how the second part works huh? Next argument...
It is not against the TOS for YOU to load up a bot, according to this law suit, it is illegal for YOU to sell a bot that has been deemed to violate copyright laws as ell as the TOS.
"Sure it is outside the TOS, but who reads those anyway."
Try that as a defense in a law suit and see how far it gets you.
Jack Thompson will simply reinvent himself as a lobbyist and if you think he was bad as a lawyer, wait until he has no rules by which to follow. I'm not so sure if just keeping him an ineffective lawyer would have been better.
Once, I could excuse the "typo". twice left me scratching my head. The THIRD misspelling of P-H-Y-S-I-C-A-L left me speechless. Also, perhaps you should actually research the costs associated with oth physical and digital distribution instead of believing all the crap you read on Digg or Slashdot. Just because it is repeated ad nauseam here does not mean digital distribution is cheaper. Those idiots haven't done the research either.
Oooooh, oooooh, I have anecdotal data to prove you wrong. I have a Dell that's lasted for over four years. That proves CONCLUSIVELY that you are clearly wrong. See how that works? Here's a fucking tip, anecdotal is not the plural of data.
Jesus fucking christ people, why is it whenever a story like this comes out everyone jumps on the statutory MAXIMUMS. The kid committed *69* felony counts and it is possible, though highly unlikely, that the MAXIMUM jail time he could face for ALL these charges is 38 years. If you think hackers should face NO penalties for their actions then grow a pair, step on the sop box and say so but don't keep harping on statutory MAXIMUMS as if they are evil incarnate that you must rid the world of.
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As a matter of fact, I have. However, are YOU aware that not everyone has access to IMAP for their e-mail accounts? You do realize that there is a much larger world then the one you've created in your parent's basement? Ever heard of SMTP? You know, the protocol that the majority of the world still uses for sending/receiving e-mail?
I'm sure all your Windows apps worked just fine and all the-mail you had saved in Outlook opened just fine in Ubuntu. /s
"Even so. Why wouldn't people pay to go to a theater to see a movie even if there was no copyright on it?"
Because when you allow people to legally copy movies on the internet they will do so en masse, then watch them on their large screen TVs in the conmfort of their own homes, without all the distractions that come with the so-called "Theater Experience". No, this won't happen overnight but it WILL happen were copyright to go away, thus making it extremely difficult, if not impossible financially, to make films without the backing of advertisers. I don't know about you but I hate it when I'm watching a movie or TV show and it's painfully obvious which auto manufacturer "donated" the cars the characters drive. Multiply that times about a million when you begin to factor in the food and beverages they consume, the computers and other electronic devices they use, and/or the papers and magazines they read (and the fact that the camera will HAVE to focus in on these products at some point in the movie). Hooray for the assholes who were too short-sighted to see where all this was headed simply because they wanted shit for free; don't kid yourself and believe this has to do with rights or other altruistic goals. Any more stupid questions you want answered?
You can't really use the Mac Mini for gaming anyway as it uses a low-end integrated Intel Graphics chip set. I loaded WoW when I got my mini and found that I could only get a somewhat usable frame rate if I turned off EVERYTHING that made the WoW world rich and engulfing. My Dell XPS M2010 runs WoW fine with its mobile ATI chip set, 1600x1050, everything turned on maximum.
Robert Heinlein had the best solution to this problem that I've seen so far. In Starship Troopers only citizens could vote. To become a citizen you had to serve in the military. Now, I'm not suggesting we use conscription but I do like the idea of forcing people to participate in their country in some way to earn the right to vote. This could be some form of community service through the Peace Corps or actual military service for that matter. There would have to be exceptions made for handicapped individuals but I'm sure there are lots of ways to work around this with specific types of services handicapped people can apply for that others cannot. You'd obviously have to grandfather people in as a system like this took hold but the idea of getting people to take an active role in their country might also get them to consider political choices a lot more carefully as well.
"While I think it shameful that the DVD producers have decided that I need to pay extra to run a DVD that I already own,..."
No, they have not decided this. They charge a license for codecs to DVD player manufacturers as well but those are built in to the devices out of the box so the costs are already part of the price set by the manufacturer. With computers, you do not purchase the ability to use your system as a DVD player simply y purchasing hardware, you purchase the codecs, and subsequently, through the OS or similar solution such as the one offered by Ubuntu.
It's clear to me that Orson Scott Card, like so many here on Slashdot, fails to understand the basics of copyright. YOU CANNOT COPYRIGHT AN IDEA, ONLY THE EXPRESSION OF AN IDEA!!! Did you understand that? I can wrote a hundred books about a kid who grows up under an oppressed family structure, I just can't call my characters Ender Wiggins or Harry Potter.
Inter-racial? try inter-special. Kirk would screw anything that walked, crawled, oozed, errr...well, ANYTHING that fricking moved.
"I guess that about 30% of the..."
I guess you're a fucking idiot. I'll bet you I'm a lot closer to the truth then you are. Why not just say "I have no fucking clue what I'm talking about so take what I have to say with a grain of salt..." so any other idiots like you on Slashdot won't actually assume you know what you are talking about? While I'm on it, why do people feel the need to pull statistics out of their ass when they try to make a point on a forum?
...are missing the bigger picture. This is ad #1 of a series that will unfold to tell a larger story about Vista. The ads are done by Crispin Porter + Bogusky who have developed some of the best and most memorable ads in the industry. I'm holding off judgement until ad #2 or 3 at the very least. Also remember that any publicity is good publicity and while it's no surprise people on Slashdot didn't like the ad (or aren't admitting it anyway - CP+B could have done the PC v Mac ads only in reverse and you guys would still be a bunch of haters) you are talking about and distributing the ad to potentially millions of internet viewers, many of whom might not be so rabid anti-ms weenies.
Bullshit. Vista is not any more resource hungry then any other modern OS. XP s even less resource hungry than Vista. OSS proponents used to get so worked up with all the anti-OSS/Linux/GNU/[insert pet OSS project here] FUD but are more then willing to spread FUD about Windows? Hypocrite much?
HP, Dell, et al don't care about selling Linux, they care about selling computers. If linux helps then so be it. So far, Windows has been what helps sell computers given all the application compatibility that's out there. If the OSS proponents would pull their heads out of their asses and listen to the potential customers then perhaps things will change. As long as these developers insist on dictating how things are going to be then the rest of the world is going to ignore them as well.
"(6) can be done as a hobby"
Affecting a political outcome and changing the policies of your government is NOT a fucking hobby. If you want change you need to put forth commitment and while this might not be a full-time job, it is a second job at the very least. This is not another fucking coding project you can fork if you don't like the way things are going, you can't call others noobs, and you actually have to learn something about social interaction if you want others to listen to your ideas. If you treat this like another OSS project then it will languish in code hell, a perpetual alpha with the occasional vulture picking at the carcass every now and then.
There is NO reason why they couldn't utilize the iPhone and its camera to handle barcode scanning and that the handhelds currently use. The point is, why is it hypocritical of Microsoft to use Jerry Seinfeld as a spokesperson (It's not like Jerry ever USED the computer in his apartment and it was likely paid product placement by Apple) and not when Apple uses Microsoft's products (all the while trying to tell us they suck - why not use Linux handhelds at the very least if Microsoft sucks so bad?).
...in their own closets before looking for skeletons in Microsoft's closets.
"Mac users might be quite amused, considering that (like many other TV shows) the set of Seinfeld always had a Macintosh prominently displayed in the background."
Perhaps Mac users might want to head on over to the Apple Store sometime and purchase a computer or other item where the little Apple monkeys have to retrieve it from the storeroom. Take careful notice of the handheld devices they use. At least Windows users can claim Apple paid for the product placement, what's Apple's excuse for using Windows Mobile devices to manage inventory like that?
"Even the crudest CD-writing software could make a simple backup. I remember reading a developer blog which mentioned that at peak times, there were about 50% more people playing Tribes online than actual CD's sold. However, the game made a decent profit, and Tribes 2 was given the green light for development."
Consider this though, that 50% is people who didn't fear any sort of reprisal against their illicit behavior. What happens to that number when distribution of intellectual property is legal and I can simply give you a copy of a copy of a game I downloaded from the internet? When no one has any incentive to purchase a copy, no copies will be purchased (or very few will be anyway). If 50% of the current user base enjoys the game enough to play it online all the time but not pay for it, you are going to have much bigger issues when 100% of the people are allowed to play without purchasing a copy.
This is a retarded answer for so many reason but here are a couple. I'm going to going to go out on a branch here, not because I feel this branch is thin and unstable mind you, and suggest that you pulled that 90% "statistic" straight out of your ass. Are we to honestly believe that YOU have played 100% of the games, analyzed their strengths and weaknesses and come to the conclusion that everyone can agree with that, in fact, 90% of the games out there such?!? I realize there are a lot of stupid, obtuse, and all around ignorant people who frequent Slashdot but even this is too hard for those people to swallow.
This leads me into point two, who are you to decide which games are good and which suck? What expertise do you have that allows you to speak for an entire industry? I'm going to go further out on that rather stable branch and suggest that you have very little, if any, expertise whatsoever to make such a claim. There are many genres of games and there are a lot that I happen to not enjoy, JRPGs for instance. Were I to use your scientifically illiterate litmus test I would be making the claim that JPRGs flat out suck (100% of them in fact). I would not only be wrong as sales figures clearly demonstrate, I'd rick the ire of countless cosplay weenies and I simply do not want to do that. The point is, there are games some people like and some others don't but to claim I'm going to illegally obtain a copy of a game from one genre simply because I feel most games in general suck is ridiculous. Even if you were to argue that you illegally obtain games from the same genre because you've run across a few bad apples is ridiculous.
I'e said this from the beginning, copyright reform is simply a way to legally obtain intellectual property for free simply because you don't WANT to pay for it, not CAN'T, or WOULD IF IT WERE {insert favorite excuse here}. When companies are not getting paid for their development efforts they will simply cease to develop for the public, and if you think open source can keep up with the demands of the current gaming industry, you're living in a fantasy land.
Two points. First, even if we went back to a 14/14 system today, the greater majority of works being distributed on P2P networks would still be illegal distributions. Going to a 14/14 system is NOT going to fix the problems with copyright (assuming you agree that there is a problem with copyright in the first place).
Second, 14 years might be too long if you assume that ALL works are going to lose value but when you consider that some properties can have sequels and derivatives made well after 14 years. I'm currently playing Civilization: Revolution, a game made well after the 14 year cutoff you seem to think is such a great idea.
The public domain is NOT going away. Current legislation is not killing the public domain. The only exception to this is the Eldred case that temporarily pulled and delayed a portion of works entrance in to the public domain (due to an EU directive by the way, not lobbying by Disney or the RIAA/MPAA). This, of course, assumes that copyrighted material is being created at a fixed rate. This couldn't be further from the truth as the amount of intellectual property created today is astronomical.
One last assumption that people need to get over is that you MUST be able to use the original work in your own for copyright to work. Any good artist (of which I am one) can be inspired by works both in the public domain and works protected by copyright without touching the original work at all.
"promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts"...
Once again someone conveniently drops the parts of the Constitution that impede their argument. What the section of Article I actually says is:
I believe Scrabulous would fail the second part of the test utterly since Hasbro, et al has the exclusive rights to their "discover", Scrabble. Funny how the second part works huh? Next argument...
"Consider that the dealer probably wants to make at least 20% on the sticker price,..."
If you're paying the sticker price or more then you're getting screwed.
It is not against the TOS for YOU to load up a bot, according to this law suit, it is illegal for YOU to sell a bot that has been deemed to violate copyright laws as ell as the TOS.
"Sure it is outside the TOS, but who reads those anyway."
Try that as a defense in a law suit and see how far it gets you.
Jack Thompson will simply reinvent himself as a lobbyist and if you think he was bad as a lawyer, wait until he has no rules by which to follow. I'm not so sure if just keeping him an ineffective lawyer would have been better.
Once, I could excuse the "typo". twice left me scratching my head. The THIRD misspelling of P-H-Y-S-I-C-A-L left me speechless. Also, perhaps you should actually research the costs associated with oth physical and digital distribution instead of believing all the crap you read on Digg or Slashdot. Just because it is repeated ad nauseam here does not mean digital distribution is cheaper. Those idiots haven't done the research either.
Oooooh, oooooh, I have anecdotal data to prove you wrong. I have a Dell that's lasted for over four years. That proves CONCLUSIVELY that you are clearly wrong. See how that works? Here's a fucking tip, anecdotal is not the plural of data.
Jesus fucking christ people, why is it whenever a story like this comes out everyone jumps on the statutory MAXIMUMS. The kid committed *69* felony counts and it is possible, though highly unlikely, that the MAXIMUM jail time he could face for ALL these charges is 38 years. If you think hackers should face NO penalties for their actions then grow a pair, step on the sop box and say so but don't keep harping on statutory MAXIMUMS as if they are evil incarnate that you must rid the world of.