Do people still use DR16? Yes! Hundreds of people use DR16 daily, possibly thousands. As more and more users move to Linux and other UNIX platforms they are becoming aware of Enlightenment and making it their window manager of choice. As KDE and GNOME pick up more and more steam it becomes harder to find a powerful, yet elegant window manager for the power user who wants simplicity, flexibility and functionality. Enlightenment is often emulated, but never duplicated. Many of the users who have left E for Fluxbox or Sawfish have eventually come back to the frey."
100s? Even they should give themselves more credit. I'll try this release, but think I'll be stuck with Openbox at least till I can try e17, but I appreciate that they're still rolling; choice is good.
I've always though having a winders key on every keyboard was a bit strange, it should be some universal icon; but I supposed the win icon has become that. regardless, if I bought a keyboard (instead of just liberating them from work) I would like to have a tux on it, since I only run linux and mac at home.
as for the 'hotbuttons' I fail to see that being very useful to linux users; most home users love them within their win world, but linux users are (generally) beyond that. still, if hotbuttons on keyboards that work under linux help folks like my mom use linux to check her mail, then I'd be happy!
it seems to me that this is simply an evolution of spam fighting; moving it from the MTA off to the Firewall. I think it's a good move, and should allow of less resources on the MTA going to filtering spam, and shift it to a more appropriate place.
still, I think all spam filters need to do is to: ckek speeling in the emaaills and dteermine if an emaiil has towo mani missplleded wordss.
correct me if I'm wrong (I'm used to it;)) but the new Debian installer is based on Anaconda, which is what RH/Fedora use. Therefore Debian will be no harder to install than Fedora since they use the same installer.
The YUM comments are good though, I am ignorant to it since I haven't used an RPM based system in years. If you can update Fedora as simply as Win offerings, then I retract my statement as for complete upgrades I've never seen anything work as completely as apt-get or swaret for Slackware.
This is an admirable effort, however why Fedora for a beginner's distro? The problem I see is that Fedora is just getting it's feet wet and entire reinstalls are needed to update from core 1 -> 2. This harks back to my days with Red Hat 5 and Mdk 6. Without trying to start a flamewar, I really think a Debian based system with Synaptic setup for updating is the best solution. Lastly, I don't know if a beginner's guide should include the commandline, that will likely scare some off. Let them get completely comfy in the GUI, then let them start exploring off the path.
Still, efforts like this NEED to be undertaken, if it's one thing OSS projects often lack is documentation.
While I can see a future for this with thin clients and server based apps, I cannot see something like this run over the internet by MS.
If they put put server and client version of their apps for companies to run, that would make sense, but that leaves the home user out of it, so I suppose they'd be stuck with the internet version. How krappy would that be?
A minister is driving down to New York to see a show and he's stopped in Connecticut for speeding. The state trooper smells alcohol on his breath and then he sees an empty wine bottle on the floor, and he says, "Sir, have you been drinking?"
And the minister says, "Just water."
The sheriff says, "Then why do I smell wine?"
And the minister looks down at the bottle and says, "Good Lord, He's done it again!"
First IBM embraces Linux, then they position it as the next logical step from AIX, now they're standing up to, and trying to put an end to, SCO's harrassment. Additionally, IBM is doing a LOT of marketing of Linux. Plenty of traditional magazine and television ads are all over, and they clearly spell out the message that not only is Linux good for your business but IBM is the company that can successfully get you up and running. When companies like IBM put out that kind of marketing message it builds mindshare for the entire Linux community.
Let's not forget that Sun is beginning to do this. There are now full-page magazine ads appearing that feature StarOffice. However, these are of lesser interest to the Linux community in that the ads primarily benefit Sun without the broader appeal of the IBM ads. Still, adoption of StarOffice and OpenOffice will eventually make it easier to switch to Linux.
Another question is, "what do you think professional marketing' will bring to the table that Linux doesn't already have?" For instance, who in the United States does *not* already equate RedHat with Linux? You're unlikely to increase vendor/product identification in this case through traditional marketing (and RedHat is quite happy to pay for their own marketing). What you *might* do is increase market acceptance of Linux as a product. But IBM is already doing that. If your competitors' ads are working for you, why spend the dollars?
All in all it adds up to one of the old/stuff tech GIANTS backing the fledgling OS that could, Linux. Thanks IBM, let me start repricing those t41 thinkpads now...
this needs to happen, but it's like a spam Blacklist, it's pretty much out of date once it's created! better would be to have ISPs build a lists and flag certain sites as possible phishing grounds, but there again, how up to date would they be?
Bottom line is, all of our parents/kids/friends need to know; don't give info out online unless YOU initiated the contact.
was it obvious that SATA is seen under sda, and not hda, even though it's an IDE drive? sounds like nitpicking if you ask me, there's a point to the article, and that's not it.
I'm sure this will be mentioned, but it doesn't take 10 1/2 hours to reintall and then update all of the software. Unfort. with the way win worms/viruses, this is what I now recommend to friends and family that call me for support. funny thing is, I only run Linux and Mac at home, and after a reinstall, I always recommend they look into buying a Mac next.
Also funny is when I couldn't help my friend's dad out with his windows worm any further than trolling google, he said, "Isn't this what you're interested in?" and I told him, "No, not since I've moved on from windows, it's not"
how is MS not a monopoly if they have this much influence over a complete industry? Everyone that works in the film industry that I know love Macs, but they see Win boxes all over for the 'serious' work. The whole suit against MS just seems to have not changed a damn thing if this is true.
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Yes! Hundreds of people use DR16 daily, possibly thousands. As more and more users move to Linux and other UNIX platforms they are becoming aware of Enlightenment and making it their window manager of choice. As KDE and GNOME pick up more and more steam it becomes harder to find a powerful, yet elegant window manager for the power user who wants simplicity, flexibility and functionality. Enlightenment is often emulated, but never duplicated. Many of the users who have left E for Fluxbox or Sawfish have eventually come back to the frey."
100s? Even they should give themselves more credit. I'll try this release, but think I'll be stuck with Openbox at least till I can try e17, but I appreciate that they're still rolling; choice is good.
CBV
I've always though having a winders key on every keyboard was a bit strange, it should be some universal icon; but I supposed the win icon has become that. regardless, if I bought a keyboard (instead of just liberating them from work) I would like to have a tux on it, since I only run linux and mac at home.
as for the 'hotbuttons' I fail to see that being very useful to linux users; most home users love them within their win world, but linux users are (generally) beyond that. still, if hotbuttons on keyboards that work under linux help folks like my mom use linux to check her mail, then I'd be happy!
CB
yeah, but could you have a vitual girlfriend in a socialst country? would it be state owned and operated?
hint: make your url in your sig a link, you'll get more visitors.
CB (don't look back)
it seems to me that this is simply an evolution of spam fighting; moving it from the MTA off to the Firewall. I think it's a good move, and should allow of less resources on the MTA going to filtering spam, and shift it to a more appropriate place.
still, I think all spam filters need to do is to: ckek speeling in the emaaills and dteermine if an emaiil has towo mani missplleded wordss.
CVB
still no cure for cancer.
PCB#@~
I for one welcome our new spam fighting firewalls!
CVB
correct me if I'm wrong (I'm used to it ;)) but the new Debian installer is based on Anaconda, which is what RH/Fedora use. Therefore Debian will be no harder to install than Fedora since they use the same installer.
The YUM comments are good though, I am ignorant to it since I haven't used an RPM based system in years. If you can update Fedora as simply as Win offerings, then I retract my statement as for complete upgrades I've never seen anything work as completely as apt-get or swaret for Slackware.
regards
CB*^&@#+3
This is an admirable effort, however why Fedora for a beginner's distro? The problem I see is that Fedora is just getting it's feet wet and entire reinstalls are needed to update from core 1 -> 2. This harks back to my days with Red Hat 5 and Mdk 6. Without trying to start a flamewar, I really think a Debian based system with Synaptic setup for updating is the best solution. Lastly, I don't know if a beginner's guide should include the commandline, that will likely scare some off. Let them get completely comfy in the GUI, then let them start exploring off the path.
Still, efforts like this NEED to be undertaken, if it's one thing OSS projects often lack is documentation.
CV*)($#B
it's a good call, really, we need to train our future soldiers how NOT to treat prisoners, since common sense isn't a req to join the military.
CB$@#UNB
While I can see a future for this with thin clients and server based apps, I cannot see something like this run over the internet by MS.
If they put put server and client version of their apps for companies to run, that would make sense, but that leaves the home user out of it, so I suppose they'd be stuck with the internet version. How krappy would that be?
DBC$$B
ah, right you are, I should have hit 'reload'.
CB
that's so yesterday.
CB
hey, it's a long trip, I'd be tired too when I got there. anyway the first day of your vacation is always a wash anyway.
CV*BBb
more evidence from a diff perspective. It seems pretty likely now that water *did* or perhaps is even still, on Mars. cool.
CB)(*&^%$
A minister is driving down to New York to see a show and he's stopped in Connecticut for speeding. The state trooper smells
alcohol on his breath and then he sees an empty wine bottle on the floor, and he says, "Sir, have you been drinking?"
And the minister says, "Just water."
The sheriff says, "Then why do I smell wine?"
And the minister looks down at the bottle and says, "Good Lord,
He's done it again!"
(sorry)
CB(*#$@!!!
- (Altough it could be argued you'd be giving away bud light instead of guiness were it not for the free as in speech.)
Nicely said, however I still equate Linux with homebrew. I've been a homebrewer for 4 years, and it feels much more in tune with how I work in Linux.LCJV$B
First IBM embraces Linux, then they position it as the next logical step from AIX, now they're standing up to, and trying to put an end to, SCO's harrassment. Additionally, IBM is doing a LOT of marketing of Linux. Plenty of traditional magazine and television ads are all over, and they clearly spell out the message that not only is Linux good for your business but IBM is the company that can successfully get you up and running. When companies like IBM put out that kind of marketing message it builds mindshare for the entire Linux community.
Let's not forget that Sun is beginning to do this. There are now full-page magazine ads appearing that feature StarOffice. However, these are of lesser interest to the Linux community in that the ads primarily benefit Sun without the broader appeal of the IBM ads. Still, adoption of StarOffice and OpenOffice will eventually make it easier to switch to Linux.
Another question is, "what do you think professional marketing' will bring to the table that Linux doesn't already have?" For instance, who in the United States does *not* already equate RedHat with Linux? You're unlikely to increase vendor/product identification in this case through traditional marketing (and RedHat is quite happy to pay for their own marketing). What you *might* do is increase market acceptance of Linux as a product. But IBM is already doing that. If your competitors' ads are working for you, why spend the dollars?
All in all it adds up to one of the old/stuff tech GIANTS backing the fledgling OS that could, Linux. Thanks IBM, let me start repricing those t41 thinkpads now...
CB!
I glad you liked it, thank you for your helpful commentary.
PCV#$@B--,
"Release the Sunbird"
Yeah, it's a not well known, but if anyone gets this it'll be worth it.
PBC*(!
this needs to happen, but it's like a spam Blacklist, it's pretty much out of date once it's created! better would be to have ISPs build a lists and flag certain sites as possible phishing grounds, but there again, how up to date would they be?
Bottom line is, all of our parents/kids/friends need to know; don't give info out online unless YOU initiated the contact.
CB#__8&*(#@
exactly, thus the pertinence of this article.
your humble servant,
CB(*)$#@
was it obvious that SATA is seen under sda, and not hda, even though it's an IDE drive? sounds like nitpicking if you ask me, there's a point to the article, and that's not it.
PCV&()*#@$$$$
I know, I know, don't feed the trolls, but if more ppl would read things like this: Dispelling the myths of Gentoo Linux, an honest review: more ppl would know what they were talking about in regards to Gentoo.
/. PLEASE!
Oh, and CAN WE GET A GODDAMN GENTOO TOPIC ICON ON
CVB!@#$%^&*()
I'm sure this will be mentioned, but it doesn't take 10 1/2 hours to reintall and then update all of the software. Unfort. with the way win worms/viruses, this is what I now recommend to friends and family that call me for support. funny thing is, I only run Linux and Mac at home, and after a reinstall, I always recommend they look into buying a Mac next.
Also funny is when I couldn't help my friend's dad out with his windows worm any further than trolling google, he said, "Isn't this what you're interested in?" and I told him, "No, not since I've moved on from windows, it's not"
CB!@#$%^&*()
how is MS not a monopoly if they have this much influence over a complete industry? Everyone that works in the film industry that I know love Macs, but they see Win boxes all over for the 'serious' work. The whole suit against MS just seems to have not changed a damn thing if this is true.
CVB*($_(!#