could you tell me if the port to Windows of GTK(Gimp Tool Kit) is valued by the core team ?
I feel it should be. I understand that a company is porting Gimp to BE O/S and has ported GDK as well so that the great unwashed useing GTK may compile on the BE system (my thanks to you).
Why care about Windows O/S ? well while the Qt widget set is free on linux and *nix, it IS NOT FREE under windows the Trolls want your Money for it.
Now GTK is GPL and a kind sole (appologies I can not remember your name) ported GTK to windows this ment in my understanding that GTK apps may be recompiled under windows with ease (cygwin for named threads and suchlike)
this means that GTK is more likely to be used as a cross platform toolkit where before I had to try and embed a TCL/TK interpreter(so people may not change the scripts) I may now use GTK.
companys are looking for cross platfrom applications now and could GTK be that for them ?
how do you feel about this situation and what do you think will happen ?
regards
john
p.s. have ordered the GTK/GNOME book look forward to a nice rainy day !
a poor student @ bournemouth uni in the UK (a deltic so please dont moan about spelling but the content)
I would like to work for you on the basis that you are interested in producing a sophisticated compiler which will make use of VLIW and parallelism of code I have an morbid interest of this type of system.
I understand that your project incorporates the use of streamed data and operation on such data and think that I would be able to help having previous experience in the operation of MPEG2 encoding and decoding and the interdependent data processing associated with it.
My skills that would be of use to you are writing complex low level functions in C and machine code. I also have good Java understanding and I think that this would help in your project dealing with code templates. Dealing with understanding of the parallel nature of those templates and why it is necessary in clusters of microprocessors.
I have a period of one year before I plan to return to academic life and would like a interesting employer as all previous work has been in large companies.
Regards
John Jones
P.S. I apologise to all posters of slashdot as I know they may not want to read this but I find communicating with this company very frustrating. I hope you may glean a little knowledge of what they want from my application.
a poor student @ bournemouth uni in the UK (a deltic so please dont moan about spelling but the content)
who just added large memory surport to the linux kernel ??
that be SUSE and Siemens hmmm !
they will have used a SUSE distro and their own tweaks
SAP/R3 is a big set of tools and I wonder if SAP are trying to expand into the US and see linux as a way forward it would be relitively easy for them to do the port so why not get some millage out of it and make some money.
redhat wanted to move to germany because of vendors like SAP
looks like to home team (SUSE) made friends fast !
ah well this can only help but say LINUX to upper management
love
john a poor student @ bournemouth uni in the UK (a deltic so please dont moan about spelling but the content)
I visted bletchley park and they had alot of but not much money
to their credit they had set out alot of old machines !
and no you DID NOT JUST LOOK you can play with them touch them and pick them up they had examples of puch card mainframes which you may use also they had all the code machines and explained all the maths very well this was all done by volenteers
this is because BT (the largest telco in UK and right up their with AT&T for size and profits)and they most greedy !!
had part of the site they have had to give it up as it now preserved for us all but they had wanted to turn it into an exchange and help center
but now they need money
please visit them and see for yourself if you are in the uk @ any time they are very open but like I said they are volenteers
black box is not GNOME complient !! BB is KDE complient I mailed the auther of BB and they replyed saying the WM Spec is AFU GNOME have to lay out how it should be done like ICCCM come on sort it out ! KDE is mostly german euro effort what does that say ? regards john jones a poor student @ bournemouth uni in the UK (a deltic so please dont moan about spelling but the content)
and yes go into industry for a while then go back to studying a poor student @ bournemouth uni in the UK (a deltic so please dont moan about spelling but the content)
but pray tell where is the most recogised Uni or gets more research money CAMBRIDGE !
no not the fake one
just trying to make a point if you go do research somewhere else in the world people think you are better. You experance more being in a differant place. You might as well because if you live any distance from home you have to get on a plane !
so why not cross some water ?
do the reserach that you want to not just go to the place you want to ! it makes a big differance if your prof is into the same things as you. Japan is cool UK is good so are the germans hell travel and get sponsered (if you can get a sponsor they help out with food, traveling improves your chances of geting one)
but LIVE
john jones a poor student @ bournemouth uni in the UK (a deltic so please dont moan about spelling but the content)
yes you can moan on about emacs and vi and yes I use them
lets think project managment if you have ever been on a large project it is impossible to co-ordinate everybody without cutting down a small forest !
this was solved by useing tools yes debuggers help and if anyone says they dont they have never written a large project in a small time frame !
IDE help they take some of the pain out of useing lots of differant tools that dont play well togther in the same sandpit
what we (linux) needs is project management tools and before anyone moans that they dont work everything can be abused hell I can write bad cobol, bad java, bad c and bad C++ (not to hard) but I dont because I know the conventions and their limertations when working with Booch or UML you have to know their flaws (UML has lots) but they ARE useful
SGI has tryed to address what they see as a gap WELL DONE SGI
whats more they have made it look the same under GNOME and KDE (although the screen shot is GNOME)
thank you (for reading what is my most sensible post)
john jones
a poor student @ bournemouth uni in the UK (a deltic so please dont moan about spelling but the content)
they spent so much time on FX32 ! they are unlikely to give away the source !
what they are likely to do if Pressured is give away it for alpha linux to increase sales and PR in linux world just like the alpha math libs
sorry but you are dealing with compaq and not digital so a move would take @ least a year and everybody else have done it before
isnt their a emulator for intel to alpha linux ? yep just forgot where it is if you cant compile it or the vendor wont surplie it for your system at a cost its not that good !!
cya
john
a poor student @ bournemouth uni in the UK (a deltic so please dont moan about spelling but the content)
he noted that he got the source off old tapes which he had carefully archived.
will the internet be a valid backup device ?
in the way that letting people have copys of the source? Will that be enough to make sure that the code is safe for all time my gut is saying NO but my head keeps muttering about nodes and US DOD inventing it to survive the BIG one.
what do you think ?
a poor student @ bournemouth uni in the UK (a deltic so please dont moan about spelling but the content)
ok QNX was based on the same o/s that sits in your router (if you have a good one)
so for that reason it does not do SMP uh huh its a real time OS ideal for embeding into products what they are trying to achive here I dont know this comes far to fast on the heals of amiga's PR on linux
what do thy hope to achive maybe they want to licence it to others but this seems the wrong way to go about it !
all that work and they dont realise what its for !!!
john jones
a poor student @ bournemouth uni in the UK (a deltic so please dont moan about spelling but the content)
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Dear Havoc
could you tell me if the port to Windows of GTK(Gimp Tool Kit) is valued by the core team ?
I feel it should be. I understand that a company is porting Gimp to BE O/S and has ported GDK as well so that the great unwashed useing GTK may compile on the BE system (my thanks to you).
Why care about Windows O/S ?
well while the Qt widget set is free on linux and *nix, it IS NOT FREE under windows the Trolls want your Money for it.
Now GTK is GPL and a kind sole (appologies I can not remember your name) ported GTK to windows this ment in my understanding that GTK apps may be recompiled under windows with ease (cygwin for named threads and suchlike)
this means that GTK is more likely to be used as a cross platform toolkit where before I had to try and embed a TCL/TK interpreter(so people may not change the scripts) I may now use GTK.
companys are looking for cross platfrom applications now and could GTK be that for them ?
how do you feel about this situation and what do you think will happen ?
regards
john
p.s. have ordered the GTK/GNOME book look forward to a nice rainy day !
a poor student @ bournemouth uni in the UK (a deltic so please dont moan about spelling but the content)
Dear Mr Ditzel
I would like to work for you on the basis that you are interested in producing a sophisticated compiler which will make use of VLIW and parallelism of code I have an morbid interest of this type of system.
I understand that your project incorporates the use of streamed data and operation on such data and think that I would be able to help having previous experience in the operation of MPEG2 encoding and decoding and the interdependent data processing associated with it.
My skills that would be of use to you are writing complex low level functions in C and machine code. I also have good Java understanding and I think that this would help in your project dealing with code templates. Dealing with understanding of the parallel nature of those templates and why it is necessary in clusters of microprocessors.
I have a period of one year before I plan to return to academic life and would like a interesting employer as all previous work has been in large companies.
Regards
John Jones
P.S. I apologise to all posters of slashdot as I know they may not want to read this but I find communicating with this company very frustrating. I hope you may glean a little knowledge of what they want from my application.
a poor student @ bournemouth uni in the UK (a deltic so please dont moan about spelling but the content)
well lets think !
who just added large memory surport to the linux kernel ??
that be SUSE and Siemens hmmm !
they will have used a SUSE distro and their own tweaks
SAP/R3 is a big set of tools and I wonder if SAP are trying to expand into the US and see linux as a way forward it would be relitively easy for them to do the port so why not get some millage out of it and make some money.
redhat wanted to move to germany because of vendors like SAP
looks like to home team (SUSE) made friends fast !
ah well this can only help but say LINUX to upper management
love
john
a poor student @ bournemouth uni in the UK (a deltic so please dont moan about spelling but the content)
I visted bletchley park and they had alot of but not much money
to their credit they had set out alot of old machines !
and no you DID NOT JUST LOOK you can play with them touch them and pick them up they had examples of puch card mainframes which you may use also they had all the code machines and explained all the maths very well
this was all done by volenteers
this is because BT (the largest telco in UK and right up their with AT&T for size and profits)and they most greedy !!
had part of the site they have had to give it up as it now preserved for us all but they had wanted to turn it into an exchange and help center
but now they need money
please visit them and see for yourself if you are in the uk @ any time they are very open but like I said they are volenteers
http://www.bletchleypark.org.uk/
have fun
john
a poor student @ bournemouth uni in the UK (a deltic so please dont moan about spelling but the content)
well @ leaat it runs linux and so means will help with the device driver !
;-)
but what platfrom will it be for ?
what CPU ?
they have been toying with lots lets hope that they will use an open arch like ARM !!
(or a VLIW machine whos name I forget
oh well
john jones
a poor student @ bournemouth uni in the UK (a deltic so please dont moan about spelling but the content)
black box is not GNOME complient !! BB is KDE complient I mailed the auther of BB and they replyed saying the WM Spec is AFU GNOME have to lay out how it should be done like ICCCM come on sort it out ! KDE is mostly german euro effort what does that say ? regards john jones
a poor student @ bournemouth uni in the UK (a deltic so please dont moan about spelling but the content)
the only intresting comments posted where about Gcc and parallel nature of the code
IA64 is all about paralleling the intructions
(althougth im intrested in the switching registers bit V funky)
has anyone looked at the backend part of gcc that intel are donateing ?
they have spent just over 2 years on the compiler and I want to see what its like
linux relies on gcc
will an intel compiled linux be better than gcc ?
(I think so is this right)
regards
john
a poor student @ bournemouth uni in the UK (a deltic so please dont moan about spelling but the content)
this was filed in 1997
they where working so nah to all who said they have done nothing
its intresting because it describes what I think to be a clustering tec that intel used to build ACSI RED ?
with P Pro this would work I think
anybody into scrossbars ca they tell me ??
john
a poor student @ bournemouth uni in the UK (a deltic so please dont moan about spelling but the content)
most infact if not all conections to LCD is done digitaly this is because of the way LCD work their are various standards for the conection
at the moment thier is a battle on !!
VESA used one conector with one way of tranfering signal
industry used another
the problem is that now we have huge monitors and the cable is the weak link
the standard Digital conection method took time to get it to work right so people used their own method
DO NOT SEVER THE CONECTION
you may want to take it apart to fix it up so that you can plug your own keyboard and mouse in and ditch the laptops but keep everthing else intact
these often have a trident vid card in and the X server is not bad 16bpp
repackage it in a small box (of course in the colour of your choseing !! personaly I prefer the see thro with ligts inside)
I have done this and I have written off 2 laptops do not make the same mistake as me !
have a funky time
john
a poor student @ bournemouth uni in the UK (a deltic so please dont moan about spelling but the content)
could you give up welsh cakes ?
could you live without delays on trains ?
could you live without wales ?
would you ever leave the UK ?
bigger wage but have to live in a dead end part of the US
(I hope not !)
what do you think of microsofts new UK building ?
pround of being in the EU and international
regards
john jones
a poor student @ bournemouth uni in the UK (a deltic so please dont moan about spelling but the content)
I think he means Software Engineering
and yes go into industry for a while then go back to studying
a poor student @ bournemouth uni in the UK (a deltic so please dont moan about spelling but the content)
hmm lets see where is the money ?
lets face it people talk of MIT, Stanford etc
but pray tell where is the most recogised Uni or gets more research money CAMBRIDGE !
no not the fake one
just trying to make a point if you go do research somewhere else in the world people think you are better. You experance more being in a differant place. You might as well because if you live any distance from home you have to get on a plane !
so why not cross some water ?
do the reserach that you want to not just go to the place you want to ! it makes a big differance if your prof is into the same things as you.
Japan is cool UK is good so are the germans hell travel and get sponsered (if you can get a sponsor they help out with food, traveling improves your chances of geting one)
but LIVE
john jones
a poor student @ bournemouth uni in the UK (a deltic so please dont moan about spelling but the content)
HYPE you cant live with out it you cant work with it !
they have shut down their hype machine but the office is still lit up @ night
people also arive and LEAVE 9to5
this is a good thing they are working and you cant work and answer emails all day long
they need some space
they need to actualy think how its sposed to BE
I want one of their mock ups for my front room just to look at !
john jones
a poor student @ bournemouth uni in the UK (a deltic so please dont moan about spelling but the content)
there is a serious gap in the linux development
thats IDE
yes you can moan on about emacs and vi
and yes I use them
lets think project managment if you have ever been on a large project it is impossible to co-ordinate everybody without cutting down a small forest !
this was solved by useing tools
yes debuggers help and if anyone says they dont they have never written a large project in a small time frame !
IDE help they take some of the pain out of useing lots of differant tools that dont play well togther in the same sandpit
what we (linux) needs is project management tools and before anyone moans that they dont work everything can be abused hell I can write bad cobol, bad java, bad c and bad C++ (not to hard) but I dont because I know the conventions and their limertations when working with Booch or UML you have to know their flaws (UML has lots) but they ARE useful
SGI has tryed to address what they see as a gap WELL DONE SGI
whats more they have made it look the same under GNOME and KDE (although the screen shot is GNOME)
thank you
(for reading what is my most sensible post)
john jones
a poor student @ bournemouth uni in the UK (a deltic so please dont moan about spelling but the content)
thank god I'm not in the US
your legal system when it comes to patents seems %$££$"&*) mad
the make one rule and then break it next week !
1>software can not be patented in the EU it can in the US
2>enforceing highly used and open format rolytys is a nightmare and only for US Fumbleing Bumbleing Idiots.
3> can you patent the way it is stored on the disk ? so is storeing that file on that disk infingment ?
thinking hurts
john
a poor student @ bournemouth uni in the UK (a deltic so please dont moan about spelling but the content)
they spent so much time on FX32 !
they are unlikely to give away the source !
what they are likely to do if Pressured is give away it for alpha linux to increase sales and PR in linux world just like the alpha math libs
sorry but you are dealing with compaq and not digital so a move would take @ least a year and everybody else have done it before
isnt their a emulator for intel to alpha linux ?
yep just forgot where it is
if you cant compile it or the vendor wont surplie it for your system at a cost its not that good !!
cya
john
a poor student @ bournemouth uni in the UK (a deltic so please dont moan about spelling but the content)
just a simple question
where you at AMIGA HQ ?
(some office somewhere kids)
if so where they wanting to know about E ?
or where they after you for all your other work !
if so can you tell us what they wanted to discuss was it a job or advice ?
cheers
john (have a beer) jones
a poor student @ bournemouth uni in the UK (a deltic so please dont moan about spelling but the content)
is this helping the rtLinux port ?
as I understand it this is for embedible procs and such like so you can do real time sound stuff as well as fly your plane well
airbus use 5 machines running BSD they calculate then argue who is right the majority wins
what we need is stuff like this done with linux as you get smart people sorting things out !
ah well
I have no faith in wings
a poor student @ bournemouth uni in the UK (a deltic so please dont moan about spelling but the content)
he noted that he got the source off old tapes which he had carefully archived.
will the internet be a valid backup device ?
in the way that letting people have copys of the source? Will that be enough to make sure that the code is safe for all time my gut is saying NO but my head keeps muttering about nodes and US DOD inventing it to survive the BIG one.
what do you think ?
a poor student @ bournemouth uni in the UK (a deltic so please dont moan about spelling but the content)
hopefully it will make us all think about the box we have !
I know the iMac made people see things !
but its good to know other companys are also thinking about it !
enough of the black boxs !(although they look cool)
WE WANT GREEN and not iMac green but nice shades
we cant you simply say what colour you want your box like you do with a car ?
(I know they cost more but how come every other industry does it but we get an off white colour !!!)
a poor student @ bournemouth uni in the UK (a deltic so please dont moan about spelling but the content)
hopefully this will need a patent !
why say that ?
well if they have got the cpu or software to cache the corect things this will mean a signifacant speed up in execution .
I remeber desighning my program so that the varibles would not be swaped out of level 1 cache and speed up the computation of geomentry
this has been most evedent in video and games where cache misses are important (yes I know databases but hell I dont write those so cant comment).
hopefully this chip will allow the editing of video and mpeg
as well as stunning games
on a linux box !! ha you dont get to say video and linux much That will change hopefully !!
a poor student @ bournemouth uni in the UK (a deltic so please dont moan about spelling but the content)
ok QNX was based on the same o/s that sits in your router (if you have a good one)
so for that reason it does not do SMP uh huh
its a real time OS ideal for embeding into products what they are trying to achive here I dont know this comes far to fast on the heals of amiga's PR on linux
what do thy hope to achive maybe they want to licence it to others but this seems the wrong way to go about it !
all that work and they dont realise what its for !!!
john jones
a poor student @ bournemouth uni in the UK (a deltic so please dont moan about spelling but the content)
nuff respect to E but I want new stuff
who else feels this way ?
a poor student @ bournemouth uni in the UK (a deltic so please dont moan about spelling but the content)
its a massive task and without *alot* of help its just not going to happen !
space admin it all requires money and they dont have it
good luck but without a backer they just wont get off the floor
350MHz is old boxs ?? not where I come from
john jones
a poor student @ bournemouth uni in the UK (a deltic so please dont moan about spelling but the content)
well your going to need people !
Im cheap I do java and low level c no C++ for me
and am willing to travel where ever you want
cheers
john jones
contact johnjones@postmaster.co.uk
a poor student @ bournemouth uni in the UK (a deltic so please dont moan about spelling but the content)