that wasn't really the question.. I think most ofus know that our data/voice is going through fiber, the question washow expensive is it to upgradecurrent systems to the newest technology.
okay so now you put up the challenge I had to go looking.. damn you
1/2 serious 1/2 not so serious post here...
Lets imagine the population of new york which is a tad less then 19 million. now lets give each of them a phone. given the assumption that no more then 35% are on their phones at any given peak time we have 6.65 million pone conversations going on. Now lets assume that of these phone calls no more then 40% are inter-city phone calls which would use this type of pipe.
2.66 million calls now.
Now lets say that compression algorithims bring the average phone call bandwidth to say 20Kbit/s
quick math leads that to 53 Gb/s so all of New York uses for voice communications on a high end is 2% of this pipe.
so now we have 98% left to fill
Ive heard that an *average* (this puts us in the minority) computer user on an internet connection will use 40kbit on average during a session with the net. and with that number on average there could be 64 million people using that line (which seems high to me) but I can't find any statistics to backup that 40kbit estimate at this time.
So here of course are the lame responses:
one script kiddie with an Outlook "add-on", a remote exploit he downloaded somewhere and to much time on his hands
One large dorm full of p2p, porn, warez hungry students
one slashdot reader who wants to test to see if this article is true.
FLAMEBAIT? He answers the question then adds a truthful insightful addition... you should be dragged out and shot. please read up on some basics of Systems Theory it does make a lot of sense...
well, not wrong ( I don't deem myself the ultimate authority)but I have to disagree. People want choices. They don't want to always throw the money at the 9.95/lb Filet Mignon. They like to save money. Same reason is why not everyone buys a DSL installs sendmail or exchange to have their own server themselves. People need options, without options peopel not only get restless, it starts to look almost Microsoftonian (see OEM market) or like the utility market.
I totally agree. Though I am not quite informed as you are as the reason for microsoft killing bluetooth Ive seen what sticking with plain old 11b is doing to the area (seattle). I mean its fun surfing through badly protected windows domains with wireless implementation in the middle of the night from your car with a couple of friends with laptops. But it gets old after around a month. Hear Hear to Apple! oh yeah and if any apple rep wants to buy my loyalty forever respond and offer me a 23" display.
Not to be a conspiracy theorist but why not, couldn't he have a doctor in on it and have some sort of device in the laptop? I dunno seems like an easy enough thing to do.
basically never ever make exceptions, not when 6 thousand people's lifes are at stake
I understand your pain. I work as the MIS manager and deal with all parts of the organization. Politics and other such influences suck at your soul but I have to say one of our several programs (a food bank) makes it all better. I try to spend on average 30 minutes a day in another department in a volunteer capacity, giving food to clients, handling something other then administrative functions that bring back the reason why I work here.
your analogy is very weak. it's not as if blizzard is alowed to sue their direct competitors out of business. think of it this way: if there's a road between two cities that only allows trucks, and you make a road over your OWN LAND, and let any cars on it, the owner of the main road really shouldn't have legal power over you. especially if your road is better, and not designed just to circumvent the older road.
Hmm I think the problem is that bnetd allows "Illegal trucks (meaning unpurchased serial geneerade games)" on its road and the trucks is where blizard gets all its money.
I worked at.Bombs.Coms and.Profitable Motor Companies and a lot of other places as everything from Technical contractor to a "Scientist" to Director of New Business... I now work at a non profit and I have to say I never felt better. I hate the tedium of some of the stuff I do but everyone seems to care here. As soon as you take good old fashion $$$$ from the equation (I still get paid, just not at market rate), everything seems to work better. Human Service organizations are just great to work at mainly because getting a project done has something very visual and positive in its outcome... just my few cents (literally)
IANAL.... but I was employed by ZTnet (hosting Zophar's domain and many other emulator sites) as Director of New Business (hehe a.com business title if you ever heard one) around three years ago when there were other troubles with Nintendo.UltraHLE was hosted on ZTnet and at the time of the release I was one of the few people who actually knew who the author was. Nintendo obviously blew some steam but what we found to work the best was to ignore them. If they served us we would do something but cease and desist letters are pretty much a scare tactic. Sam, My advice is just wait it out.
Actually it is... almost all people here aren't qualified to write their own compiler/language and to be brave enough to say so is a lot more then most here would do. Therefor it was a +1 Brave/Insightful/... If you aren't an architect/civil Engineer/Mechanical Engineer, stay away from the freaking bridge building, just because you crossed a few and jumped off one doesn't give you the knowlege needed to build your own
I'm not sure about this but there have to be a lot of support staff for the "New Code" application engineers and are they going to be retrained on how to support the now "Arg, I worked for Microsoft so I wouldn't have to Bug Fix, This Sucks!" application enginners? How would this work from a buisness side?
Yeah, but this might be a way to make MEMS mainstream. I imagine your insulin pump would be much cheaper if it contained the same technology as a cell-phone.
I accept that arguement and understand the implications of mems mainstreaming but do you really think the technophobes of this era would accept Mems phones over insulin pumps as mainstream?
MEMS will have so many different uses inside of your body from doing things such as an insulin pump (imagine never having to take insulin shots) to fixing congenital heart defects without such invasive surgery. This seems like an interesting but rather fluffy use of it at this time. Plus if you think about it, cell phones are so annoying now, imagine it if they were all built into your body... Shaking someone's hand whose phone is set to vibrate mode and they get an incoming call?
An American, a German and a Japanese guy are golfing one day and, at the
third hole, they hear a phone ring. The American excuses himself, puts
his left thumb to his ear and his left pinky finger to his mouth and
proceeds to have a phone conversation. When he is done, he looks at the
other two and says, "Oh, that's the latest American technology in cell
phones. I have a chip in my thumb and one in my pinky and the antenna is
in my hat. Great stuff, huh?" They continue golfing until the ninth
hole when, again, they hear a phone ring. The German tilts his head to
one side and proceeds to have a conversation with someone in German.
When he finishes, he explains to the other two that he has the latest in
German cell phone technology. "A chip in my tooth, a chip in my ear and
the antenna has been inserted into my spine...Ah, the wonders of German
know-how!" At the thirteenth hole, a phone rings again and upon hearing
it, the Japanese guy disappears into some nearby bushes. The German and
the American look at each other and then walk over and peer into the
bushes. In the middle of the bushes is the Japanese guy, squatting with
his pants down around his ankles. "What on earth are you doing?!" asks
the American. The Japanese guy looks up and replies, "Waiting for a
fax."
That is correct. Unless you gain root access to the SmoothWall machine, you have no shell, therefore no access to the passwords. If a hacker manages to gain root access, he has full control of the box regardless, therefore access to everything. As I have mentioned, there have been no successful hacks of an un-modified SmoothWall to date. People need to remember that SmoothWall is not a Linux distro, as such. It is a task-oriented device - a firewall. It does not run as a multi-user system, as do other Linux distros. It does not have users with shell access other than root. It is not a "distro" it is a "device". Regards, HiltonT
Unless of course someone buffer overflows one of the running services, not very likely but still......
yeah I was about to make the same comment.. Also hope that while you are the friendly neighborhood technician that you have freindly neighbothood doctors and lawyers to get you out of that mess.
I'm gonna wait to buy this game until it goes multiplayer. According to the CIV3 FAQ [civ3.com], the game will not have multiplayer support when it ships, although they plan on making some multiplayer options available in Spring 2002. (Not holding my breath.)
:p
Forgive the analogy but that is like saying I'm going to wait to have sex till Its available in multi version.
This is Civilization! Don't forget that the lifeblood and father of all decent non-action games and atleast in my case, the whole reason I read slashdot right now. If it wasn't for getting addicted to Civilization I would never have gotten addicted to the computer and never learned how to program. True, I might have gotten laid earlier in life but that lasts 5 minutes if you are lucky and a good civ games can lasts 24-36 hours non-stop. you do the math.
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that wasn't really the question.. I think most ofus know that our data/voice is going through fiber, the question washow expensive is it to upgradecurrent systems to the newest technology.
okay so now you put up the challenge I had to go looking.. damn you
1/2 serious 1/2 not so serious post here...
Lets imagine the population of new york which is a tad less then 19 million. now lets give each of them a phone.
given the assumption that no more then 35% are on their phones at any given peak time we have 6.65 million pone conversations going on. Now lets assume that of these phone calls no more then 40% are inter-city phone calls which would use this type of pipe.
2.66 million calls now.
Now lets say that compression algorithims bring the average phone call bandwidth to say 20Kbit/s
quick math leads that to 53 Gb/s so all of New York uses for voice communications on a high end is 2% of this pipe.
so now we have 98% left to fill
Ive heard that an *average* (this puts us in the minority) computer user on an internet connection will use 40kbit on average during a session with the net. and with that number on average there could be 64 million people using that line (which seems high to me) but I can't find any statistics to backup that 40kbit estimate at this time.
So here of course are the lame responses:
one script kiddie with an Outlook "add-on", a remote exploit he downloaded somewhere and to much time on his hands
One large dorm full of p2p, porn, warez hungry students
one slashdot reader who wants to test to see if this article is true.
FLAMEBAIT? He answers the question then adds a truthful insightful addition... you should be dragged out and shot. please read up on some basics of Systems Theory it does make a lot of sense...
well, not wrong ( I don't deem myself the ultimate authority)but I have to disagree. People want choices. They don't want to always throw the money at the 9.95/lb Filet Mignon. They like to save money. Same reason is why not everyone buys a DSL installs sendmail or exchange to have their own server themselves. People need options, without options peopel not only get restless, it starts to look almost Microsoftonian (see OEM market) or like the utility market.
I totally agree. Though I am not quite informed as you are as the reason for microsoft killing bluetooth Ive seen what sticking with plain old 11b is doing to the area (seattle). I mean its fun surfing through badly protected windows domains with wireless implementation in the middle of the night from your car with a couple of friends with laptops. But it gets old after around a month. Hear Hear to Apple! oh yeah and if any apple rep wants to buy my loyalty forever respond and offer me a 23" display.
Nobody could be that stupid and manage to find security breaches.
Eh... its all a matter of how long it takes to compile an exploit in comparison to how fast the sysadmin can patch their 200 servers....
stupidity has nothing to do with it.
Not to be a conspiracy theorist but why not, couldn't he have a doctor in on it and have some sort of device in the laptop? I dunno seems like an easy enough thing to do.
basically never ever make exceptions, not when 6 thousand people's lifes are at stake
I understand your pain. I work as the MIS manager and deal with all parts of the organization. Politics and other such influences suck at your soul but I have to say one of our several programs (a food bank) makes it all better. I try to spend on average 30 minutes a day in another department in a volunteer capacity, giving food to clients, handling something other then administrative functions that bring back the reason why I work here.
Hmm I think the problem is that bnetd allows "Illegal trucks (meaning unpurchased serial geneerade games)" on its road and the trucks is where blizard gets all its money.
I worked at .Bombs .Coms and .Profitable Motor Companies and a lot of other places as everything from Technical contractor to a "Scientist" to Director of New Business... I now work at a non profit and I have to say I never felt better. I hate the tedium of some of the stuff I do but everyone seems to care here. As soon as you take good old fashion $$$$ from the equation (I still get paid, just not at market rate), everything seems to work better. Human Service organizations are just great to work at mainly because getting a project done has something very visual and positive in its outcome... just my few cents (literally)
IANAL.... but I was employed by ZTnet (hosting Zophar's domain and many other emulator sites) as Director of New Business (hehe a .com business title if you ever heard one) around three years ago when there were other troubles with Nintendo .UltraHLE was hosted on ZTnet and at the time of the release I was one of the few people who actually knew who the author was. Nintendo obviously blew some steam but what we found to work the best was to ignore them. If they served us we would do something but cease and desist letters are pretty much a scare tactic. Sam, My advice is just wait it out.
Anyone have another mirror which we could slashdot? this one is chirping on at a great 1k/s :)
it starts at 5pm PST
Actually it is... almost all people here aren't qualified to write their own compiler/language and to be brave enough to say so is a lot more then most here would do. Therefor it was a +1 Brave/Insightful/... If you aren't an architect/civil Engineer/Mechanical Engineer, stay away from the freaking bridge building, just because you crossed a few and jumped off one doesn't give you the knowlege needed to build your own
I'm not sure about this but there have to be a lot of support staff for the "New Code" application engineers and are they going to be retrained on how to support the now "Arg, I worked for Microsoft so I wouldn't have to Bug Fix, This Sucks!" application enginners? How would this work from a buisness side?
Ahh I think of it as embedded which is wrong but the only way that I have dealt with MEMS (rather single minded I am :p)
MEMS will have so many different uses inside of your body from doing things such as an insulin pump (imagine never having to take insulin shots) to fixing congenital heart defects without such invasive surgery. This seems like an interesting but rather fluffy use of it at this time. Plus if you think about it, cell phones are so annoying now, imagine it if they were all built into your body... Shaking someone's hand whose phone is set to vibrate mode and they get an incoming call?
An American, a German and a Japanese guy are golfing one day and, at the
third hole, they hear a phone ring. The American excuses himself, puts
his left thumb to his ear and his left pinky finger to his mouth and
proceeds to have a phone conversation. When he is done, he looks at the
other two and says, "Oh, that's the latest American technology in cell
phones. I have a chip in my thumb and one in my pinky and the antenna is
in my hat. Great stuff, huh?" They continue golfing until the ninth
hole when, again, they hear a phone ring. The German tilts his head to
one side and proceeds to have a conversation with someone in German.
When he finishes, he explains to the other two that he has the latest in
German cell phone technology. "A chip in my tooth, a chip in my ear and
the antenna has been inserted into my spine...Ah, the wonders of German
know-how!" At the thirteenth hole, a phone rings again and upon hearing
it, the Japanese guy disappears into some nearby bushes. The German and
the American look at each other and then walk over and peer into the
bushes. In the middle of the bushes is the Japanese guy, squatting with
his pants down around his ankles. "What on earth are you doing?!" asks
the American. The Japanese guy looks up and replies, "Waiting for a
fax."
Here you are, there is a big chunk on security as well
yeah I was about to make the same comment.. Also hope that while you are the friendly neighborhood technician that you have freindly neighbothood doctors and lawyers to get you out of that mess.
only 100%
thats like saying there is a new 4ghz intel chip ready to go instead of a 2ghz chip.... no big difference
hmmm amazing how Apple must have their info wrong, because since it was posted on Slashdot it must be true.