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Using MEMS to Miniaturize Mobile Phones
securitas writes: "The NY Times has a feature on using microelectro-mechanical systems (MEMS) in cell phones to replace bulky passive components like the filters, resonators and duplexers that make up most of the size of today's phones. In theory, they say, you could have a cell phone in a ring on your finger. Besides making everyone seem like James Bond, a ring-phone would give new meaning to the phrase 'Talk to the hand.'"
Does this technology use Coltan?
Frankly, after seeing what is going on in the Congo, I feel ashamed for even owning a cell phone.
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So now we're going to have a bunch of yuppies talking to their fingers while they drive.
Does this mean people are going to get pulled over for talking on their cell (in areas where it's illegal), when all they were really doing was picking their nose?
What an injustice... what a travisty....
Wow! This must be a PERSONAL letter, just for me!
The phrase, "talk to the hand" ? Wired.com had an article just the other day, about a glove that translated sign language to spoken english. And a few weeks before that, I swear I saw yet another news article saying the same thing. This is getting on my nerves, I don't like my vocabulary corrupted by Jerry Springerish cliches.
A vibrator in a wedding ring should keep the "little missus" happy in a discrete way... ;-)
The owls are not what they seem
Even with electronics that use a fraction of what today's phones use, to reduce the size of the phone will reduce the size of the battery you can carry with it. A ring phone can't feasibly hold more than a watch battery.
-Restil
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Actually, One ring says I'm committed to my wife. The other Ring shows my commitment to technology!
"Draco dormiens nunquam titillandus."
You will still never get around the battery. Unless you locate ist somewhere else on your body.
--Note to self. Add witty sig here, someday...
during talking to your ring you accidentally swallow it. I wonder what will the other person hear.
Something like this would be excellent for having the phone embedded right in your head.
Now if they just had some kind of thought-based dialing system...
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of implants into the skull.
Gives the term "ringing of the ears" a whole new meaning.
Would suck though if you forgot to plug yourself in at night. Warrenty work might get quite expensive also. (sorry, your HMO does not cover this)
-- Knowing too much can get you killed, but knowing who knows too much can make you rich.
An American, a German and a Japanese guy are golfing one day and, at the
third hole, they hear a phone ring. The American excuses himself, puts
his left thumb to his ear and his left pinky finger to his mouth and
proceeds to have a phone conversation. When he is done, he looks at the
other two and says, "Oh, that's the latest American technology in cell
phones. I have a chip in my thumb and one in my pinky and the antenna is
in my hat. Great stuff, huh?" They continue golfing until the ninth
hole when, again, they hear a phone ring. The German tilts his head to
one side and proceeds to have a conversation with someone in German.
When he finishes, he explains to the other two that he has the latest in
German cell phone technology. "A chip in my tooth, a chip in my ear and
the antenna has been inserted into my spine...Ah, the wonders of German
know-how!" At the thirteenth hole, a phone rings again and upon hearing
it, the Japanese guy disappears into some nearby bushes. The German and
the American look at each other and then walk over and peer into the
bushes. In the middle of the bushes is the Japanese guy, squatting with
his pants down around his ankles. "What on earth are you doing?!" asks
the American. The Japanese guy looks up and replies, "Waiting for a
fax."
a Beowulf cluster of these?
Besides making everyone seem like James Bond, a ring-phone would give new meaning to the phrase 'Talk to the hand.'"
that was a really lame joke. I'm sorry I repeated it.
thank you.
Please help! I'm stuck inside my virtual reality headset!
I say bring back the big manly phones that look like radio handsets!
Technical Writer?
The problem I have...erm...had with small phones is that they're terribly fragile. It's as if they're expected to be carried in a padded purse or something. Makes your wonder why they even made it so small if you need carry those little phones in bulky thick plastic belt clips etc.
Once they make a small phone like that out of something nice and hard, whatever it is, I'll be happy.
For example, the Motorola i1000plus is quite durable, although big. Now compar it to a StarTec, smaller phone, but put the belt clip on and it's just as big. Don't even try to wear it without the clip. It's ultra fragile. On the other hand I've had the i1000 in my pocket, no clip no protector nothing for quite some time and no problems at all.
What good is a cell phone 'ring' if it's broken?
In Soviet Russia, the television watches YOU!
MEMS will have so many different uses inside of your body from doing things such as an insulin pump (imagine never having to take insulin shots) to fixing congenital heart defects without such invasive surgery. This seems like an interesting but rather fluffy use of it at this time. Plus if you think about it, cell phones are so annoying now, imagine it if they were all built into your body... Shaking someone's hand whose phone is set to vibrate mode and they get an incoming call?
Is this to facilitate our ever-increasing divorce rates? Now she can call to inform you of the impending alimony payments right from the wedding band!
Suddenly, the solitary life doesn't seem so bad.
"Old man yells at systemd"
The newest Nokia phones are already way too small...
As several people have noted, you still have a problem with battery size. Also, you have a minimum size for the speaker and microphone to produce a usable signal (the only reason in-the-ear headsets can be THAT small is because they ARE in your ear - to be heard from an inch away from your ear they need be bigger).
And was that guy in the other car flipping you the bird, or just extending his antenna?
In theory, they say, you could have a cell phone in a ring on your finger. Before they get things TOO small, they had better make some major improvements in voice interfaces, and figure out how to miniatuarize those components, as well.
I am working in the MEMs area these days. So here are some shameless plugs.
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Here
is an general interest article from the group in which I work with some details oriented towards these types of mesoscopic MEMs.
Here
is a neat picture of a Mesoscopic MEMs device (an acceleratometer resting on top the middle part of the "8" in a 1998 penny.
And though my research at Berkeley wasn't MEMS oriented, Berkeley MEMS is pretty active. Here is a link to that.
As the article points out, MEMS are finding applications in cell phones because it is easy to make very small RF filters using inertial effects to provide inductive-like impedences. (In the past, the inductive like parts of a cell-phone filter would either be done with spiral inductors, which are unwieldly or via other microwave circuit voodoo.)
However, beyond cell phones is a grab bag of MEMs applications already at or beyond the prototype stage:
- Car air bag detectors (the above accelerometer)
- Laser gyroscopes
- Projection displays (pixel mirrors arrays)
- Optical fiber switches
- Medical applications (microfluidics, bio-chips,
- Remote sensing (minaturized microphones, or in the future, smart dust)
Enjoy
Kevin
I imagine someday that, when you buy a phone card, the card itself will double as the phone.
The last guy to go is one of those crypto dudes who wears all black. He holds out his hand and taps his palm a few times. Then after a brief pause he starts speaking to someone as if on the phone, which it turned out he was, this dude had a cell phone implanted into his palm and skull!
Anyway we continued drinking for some time (it was IETF after all) and the dude asked us to watch his laptop for a while while he went to the little boys room. We had some more drinks and were about to leave when someone pointed out that the dude had not returned yet. So I went off to the bathroom to find him.
I find the dude bent over the can with his legs stretched out and a bog roll stuck up his ass. Immediately I think the dude has been mugged. "Hey whats up, you OK?" I ask. "No I'm fine", the dude replies "I'm just waiting for a fax".
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Smaller parts mean smaller battery, for the most part - except when you have to moving parts like MEMS does.
I doubt that a slower, more expensive and more highly breakable technology is going to be replacing the current one. A general rule of thumb is that no moving parts can be faster/safer/lower power/smaller than moving parts. MEMS has previously been used to replace larger mechanical systems. Its especially good for increasing the resolution of mechanical scans. There was a presentation at my school on the subject - a guy came in with a credit card sized thing and showed that all you do is connect it to a solution and siphon the solution through the card. A MEMS system could then recognize certain chemical agents in the solution (something that is only possible by having a higher resolution scan of the materials).
But for wireless? At least, it becomes extremely difficult to transmit a signal without a large antennae, and I think mems would require more power than passive systems.
This is all the truth of the technology as I have read about it in the past. Has anyone seen anything that contradicts my assertions?
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.. The wife gets a secret call every time the ring comes off? ;)
If it takes the form of jewlery, it would be an earing. But mor likely it will be behind the ear, like a hearing aid so you can just talk and hear without holding a darn thing. Of course you can do that now, you just have the phone clipped to your belt.
Basically the ring analogy was just a long way to go for a bad joke. Not that there is ever a short way to a bad joke...
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Agreed. A ring-phone will be too much. I already have problem with newer, smaller nokia phones that got a keypad made for an alien with impossible angle in their fingers. That's not counting the engineering problem of where would you put the keypad? the speaker? the mic? the battery?
Of course, all can be solved with the mighty bluetooth. But having separate keypad and everything kinda defeats the purpose.
Even if the implementation takes 3-5 years, further reducing the size of cell phones may only be beneficial in a few markets. Most certainly, the US market will not need super small cell phones in the comming years. The Asian and EU markets already sell phones that on average are significantly smaller than those sold in most of the US market. Yes, those are GSM phones, but if the American consumers wanted smaller phones, the manufacturers would quickly swap out the GSM circuits in put CDMA in place. Unfortunatly (for some of us) the average American still tends to like their products to be larger (at least acording to many market research companies.)
Where this technology might be more appropriate is in the imbedded markets. For the Auto-makers, the size of On-Star style equipment could be greatly reduced and in-dash cell phones could have a much nicer and simpler integration.
Though its quite cool to see electornics reaching the miniature level, at some point (which we may have already reached) it will be impracticle to reduce the package size of many consumer electronics. Do you really want a 1 cubic inch sized cell phone that you loose once a week and spend $200 to replace?
As for MEMS, the medical applications are much more interesting.
Hmmm, so then will giving someone the finger now mean that you want them to call you?
Imagine conversations with all of those expressive people who are always wave their hands:
"I WAS wond.....and thEN I THOught..."
--- I wish I could hear the soundtrack to my life. That way I'd know when to duck.
No your honor, I wasn't flashing anybody, I just needed to extend my antenna!
I imagin cell phone would end up in your ear, until the embed them into peoples teeth, anyway.
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Talk to the hand? That is so 90s..
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Coltan killing elephants, gorillas and people
The Coltan Rush
Minerals Fueling War
Guns, money and cell phones
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This makes me wonder... what happens when the phone rings while masturbation?
If these things come with a vibration (silent ring) function, I'd be calling myself all day long.
Great strides were made for crazy people when cell phone users started walking around with headsets appearing to talk to themselves. Now it will be even more difficult to tell the difference between technophiles and crazy people!
you could have a cell phone in a ring on your finger...give new meaning to the phrase 'Talk to the hand.'"
You mean kinda like a miniaturized one of these?
and I can just think my words thus hiding the fact that I am actually talking on the phone.
Of course I would have to avoid most public places when talking to my girlfriend. I would hate for her to hear WOW WHAT A NICE ASS ON THAT!
Seriously are we down to this as being "stuff that matters"?
Razzious Domini
I could be a GREAT KARMA WHORE if I could just shed the few morals I have left.
Gives a new meaning to the "custom ring" for your cell phone.
Krispy Cream is people
Although a ring-sized phone will be a practical impossibility, it can be used in a more practical way if it is combined with something else.
The current "best" PDA-phone combination is arguably the Nokia 9210 (or yet-to-be-released 9290 in the US). Although the size is perfectly ok for myself, the weight is not. A ring-sized phone embedded inside a PDA could be the planned direction for this miniaturization.
Palm is too bulky a unit to be used as a phone, contrary to whatever Handspring say about its Treo. The 9210 is too heavy and too thick for most people. Imagine a phone with Palm functionality, the integration of 9210, and the weight of 80g. This ring-phone technology could be the answer to our prayers.
could be used as a defence in court....
well it's like this your honour , i was showing him my new phone and he like, took offence , and it all went downhill from then onwards.....
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The reason US phones are larger is because a smaller phone won't work. The lower US population density means a more sparse cellular network, which means a longer (on average) radio link, which requires more RF power. Better frequency filtering can help some, but there is a fundamental limit (described by the Shannon-Hartley theorem) to how low the power can go. The main reason phones have gotten smaller in the last 5 years is because continued build-out has made the networks denser.
Simply put, a ring-size phone is just plain impossible with anything remotely resembling current physical plant and battery technology.
Who would wanna cell phone in their ring? Keep it in your shoe like any professional spy.
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Motorola already has a cellphone watch. It's worthless as it's battery life is about 30 seconds. outside of digital land (which makes up 75% of the continental US and 90% of Canada.)
They can make it the size of an eraser head, If they cant get me a battery for it that lasts as long as a full day of use then it's worthless technology.
Do not look at laser with remaining good eye.
Does this mean that I will have my Startrek type combadge soon?
Why mention a ring phone? I would think that a phone built into a pair of glasses would be more practical. You could even have a projection monitor built in so you could see caller id, menus, browsers/video etc.
Of course the Trekkies would all buy the 'com badge' version.
Today's vices may be tomorrow's virtues.
I dont know about what you all want, all i want is a cell phone the size of a Jabra ear piece :)
Cybie! aka Ralph Bonnell
More junk cluttering our landfills.
Y'know, a gold ring with an embedded digital timepiece, not much bigger than your standard gold band. Even something that displays at the push of a button to conserve battery power. What's the use of having a cellphone the size of a ring when you have to have that 3-ounce watch around your wrist?
Or a solar hat! I say that last one because I would love the fidora to come back
:)
I second that!! I had hoped that RedHat would have done this too, but a red fidora really isn't as cool as a black one
Guy sitting at bar talking into his finger:
:)
"No it's not a Cell Phone, it's an IN-VIS-A-BLE PHONE!!!"
("Only 8 bucks a minute too")
finger user@domain.tld opens a whole new realm of possibilities..
Oh, come on, use your imagination.
From Oct 2000 Wired:
"NTT DoCoMo's Media Computing Lab is currently developing a wearable wireless phone that consists only of a wristband. The phone, called the "Whisper," because it vibrates rather than rings, contains a tiny microphone the wearer speaks into.
The wristband also contains a device that converts voice into vibrations that travel through the hand, the finger and into the ear canal.
To answer incoming calls, the wearer taps the index finger and thumb -- that's it -- and then sticks a finger in one ear to hear the person on the other line. "
Everyone will start to cheer when you put on your sailin' shoes.
There's a reason why phones overseas (in Japan and Korea, for example) are so much smaller than they are here. Besides the technology being a small jump ahead over there, Americans seem to have issues with small cell phones-- we think that because they're small, they aren't picking up our voices or that they're toys that somehow don't work as well. And we do this with larger cellphones too (albeit to a lesser degree), probably because we grew up thinking that cellphones were really staticky. Consequently, Americans tend to yell unnecessarily into cell phones, especially small ones. We seem to be uncomfortable accepting the fact that if the microphone part of the handset isn't right next to our mouth, it can still pick up our voice.
For this reason, phone manufacturers actually increase the size of cell phones for sale in America, or otherwise simply choose not to sell the smaller models here. I predict these types of "ring phones" and what-not will probably have a very hard time gaining a mainstream foothold in North America.
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but, they have GOT TO get a better voice activated system for this. I end up sounding like a robot when I try to voice call someone. Fix this, then we can talk about little phones.
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Hmmm...what if the issue isn't making the phones themselves smaller, but adding small bits of telephony to useful places?
Or, to put it another way, you have a "normal" sized cell phone (whatever we decide that is) that you carry with you, but everywhere you go there's a phone embedded into small spaces places?
Ooo, even better. What if the receivers are all built on a bluetooth standard. Everyone has a jabra-like ear piece that automatically reaches out and makes a "PAN" connection when it comes in range of a "button" phone. There's a button phone receiver on your monitor, in your car, and in your house, and when you're in any of those spaces, all you have to do is touch your ear piece and speak the number you want to dial. Calls are automatically forwarded to you depending on where the PAN is established. If you go to a store, your earpiece automatically connects to the button phone receiver on the shopping cart, so that if you have questions while you're shopping, you can ask a customer service rep (on their dime)...
Okay. Back to the crack smoking....
"...you can steal my woman, but you ain't done nuthin' smart."
The American excuses himself, puts his left thumb to his ear and his left pinky finger to his mouth and proceeds to have a phone conversation.
This technology has already been patented. By the Japanese.
And frankly, "Talk to the hand" could use an update... it's getting a little stale. Now all we need a technological advance to give new meaning to "Voted off the island", "You ARE the weakest link", "Is that your final answer?" and "I'd like to phone a friend". Actually I suppose this could have some bearing on the last one...
- StaticLimit
And one ring to call them all.
Of course, then you'll have people forever asking you "Did getting your cell phone hurt?"
Mr. Ska
Why don't you read whats actualy going on before jumping to idiotc conclusions.
For hundreds of thousands of people in the "republic" of Congo, coltan mining is one of the few ways to make ends meet. It's actualy allowing people to eat regularly and keep from starving to death.
autopr0n is like, down and stuff.
Phone sex...
I stick to walls...
I hardly ever actualy hold my phone up to my ears these days, there's really no reason to anymore. Just get a headset thing.
autopr0n is like, down and stuff.
I have a Nokia 8260, the thing is tiny, but it's built like a rock. I dropped my original one several feet (out of a dorm loft) at least 10 or 20 times before it finally gave out (from just a 2 foot fall!) But it had been rattling for months before that.
Anyway, they are quite durable. I'd imagine those flip phones would be quite fragile though.
autopr0n is like, down and stuff.
Someone already told a joke with that punchline earlier in the thread!
I already have ENOUGH trouble dialing my phone.
Voice recognition... okay... "Phone, dial 201-555-1212!"... and every phone on the bus starts ringing.
Some guys at my former Uni actually made a MEMS microfown: they measure the rate at wich a small wire cools because of the air that flows over it: they call it a Microflown. It's actually a flow detecter instead of a pressure transducer! They still need some clever electronics though, to compensate for the loss of high frequencies.
Actually the microphone can be miniaturize onto chip scale. Thank the spy people for that.
If you're interested in MEMS technology this site
has some useful links:
http://www.memsnet.org/
I doubt that a slower, more expensive and more highly breakable technology is going to bereplacing the current one. A general rule of thumb is that no moving parts can be faster/safer/lower power/smaller than moving parts.
I think you're confused about what the "moving parts" are and what they do. Those rules apply to moving parts that rub against each other. These devices are resonators and diplexers, implemented as parts that vibrate and flex, like a bell ringing or a tuning fork humming.
Matter flexes all the time, regardless of whether the motion is deliberate or just a response to heat. Unless the flexing is so large that atoms are displaced from their resting place they don't wear out for geological time.
(Even some displacement is possible without wear. It's called "annealing". Atoms move around slightly to release stresses, resulting in a part the same shape but less brittle.)
For a resonator: In place of electronic tuned circuits (capacitors and inductors, with the action taking place in the motion of electrons and the electric fields between, and magnetic fields around, large conductive structures) you use nanoscopic tuning forks or other shapes with sudden discontinuities.
The motion of electrons through long circuits at about 2/3 the speed of light is repaced by the motion of atoms through distances comparable to their own diameter, at speeds more typical of large masses pushed by moderate forces.
The electric field between two metal plates is miniaturized as the electric fields between pairs of atoms.
The "inertia" of the magnetic field around a long conductor is replaced by the physical inertia of moving atomic nuclei.
The operating speed is EXACTLY the same, as is the amount of energy used. (For a given "Q" factor the friction losses are the same, whether a tuned circuit is implemented as an electrical or nanomechanical structure.)
This kind of thing has been done before - about the time transistor radios became pocket-sized. One example is a miniature quartz crystal about the size of a large ant, precision cut and with precision-deposited electrodes and "doping" weights, replacing (and doing a better job than) about a half-dozen tuned circuits, each pair about the size of a pencil eraser.
But that was for a frequency under half a megahertz. Now we're talking several factors of ten faster - which translates to several factors of ten smaller. And we're now in the range where we can replace several tuned circuits the size of the chip with several silicon and metal structures each about the size of a large transistor.
As for "expensive" to construct, we're not talking microscopic robot arms mounting tiny levers and wheels on axles. We're talking etching a shape into silicon, glass, or conductive metal. This can be done using the same processes that put the circuitry and interconnections onto the chip. (It might not even take any extra steps.)
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In theory, they say, you could have a cell phone in a ring on your finger.
Why bother with a ring? How about subcutaeneous (sp?), with the mic in my pinky and the speaker in my thumb?
This would also allow people to pick wax out of their ears and chew thier fingernail on the sly...
Although I'm not an expert in electronics, I'm an RF/analog engineer and have noticed a few trends. Researchers invent a technology that is great and then someone gets on a bandwagon to have the technology solve many more problems in a shorter amount of time than ever actually happens. MEMs in an outstanding idea, but in order to have a cell phone on a ring, you are forgetting all of the other components. Are these magically going to morph into smaller spaces and perform? Also, talk to a packaging and/or manufacturing engineer and figure out how easy his job is going to be:) You can't just scale down and expect the laws of physics to follow suit. Try to fit a battery on that ring and have it transmit to a base station that's a mile away. If you've got 50% effeciency on the power amp, then your finger is taking 50% of the transmission power as heat. I guess you could have a liquid cooled ring :)
I dream that this technology will help us get there, but I wouldn't hold your breath for a ring cellphone. They've already got a cell phone that transmits from a wristwatch, but this device has a huge problem with the battery.
Actually, I would like to see what effect the new fuel cell technology with make upon the market.
I would encourage any of you who are interested in RF/analog engineering, electronics packaging or electronics manufacturing to consider the huge opportunities that exist for you today. It is a challenging but very rewarding job for those who are interested.
The last time a NY Times story came up, I put in a bogus name and e-mail address, however the e-mail address was aliased to an existing one. Well, guess what? Earlier today I received spam to this bogus e-mail address using the bogus name. Rancid wankers.