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rschroeder writes "Apple updated several products at MacWorld Tokyo tonight (or tomorrow morning). A $499 10-gig iPod, with, get this, custom laser engraving on the back, ($49 extra) and vCard support. They also announced a $49 USB bluetooth module, shipping in April, with beta drivers availble today. Among other tricks, Jobs synced a Clie with a mac via bluetooth. Also a new 23" (1920x1200 )Cinema Display. Jobs also said they're raising the price of the iMac due to LCD and RAM cost increases. All this courtesy MacMinute.com's live coverage." Maccentral has several stories about Jobs' keynote at the convention.
Hey! They could rename it to the iiPod! :)
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I was waiting for someone to outdo the 22" Cinema Display, funny it was Apple that ended up doing it themselves.
Will they be releasing information on the new and incredibly cool 23 inch 1920 by 1200 pixel flat screens?
Contacts: The way this works is that when you upgrade to 1.1, you get a top-level folder on the iPod named "Contacts". Drop .vcf files in there, and you're off. Cute, but since I have my Palm all the time, it's less useful to me.
Equalizer: Can't comment since I haven't set it for any songs.
Now Playing: Pressing the center button when playing a song no longer switches between elapsed time and time remaining. The normal display now shows both. If you press the button, you get the diamond-in-the-rectangle of iTunes, and you can use the dial to shuttle backwards and forwards. Trés cool.
Shuffle: You can now choose between shuffling between songs or between albums. I'm not quite sure what that means.
Bugs fixed: The bug where pausing and then unpausing would land you somewhere totally else appears to be fixed. Another bug where the iPod would cut songs off at the end is also fixed. Alas, the one that prevents "Dvorak" (with the accent over the r) from displaying properly is still present.
Easter Egg: It's still there, in the Legal section off the Settings main item.
And of course, more languages that I don't understand.
Avi
raising the price of the iMac sounds like a fair deal to me... any other computer manufacturer would raise the price of their stuff if supply was low... just simple economics. i think this is a good move to apple, although it might make some people mad (minus those with pre-orders)
All the advances are good and fine, but the increase in the iMac category may really hurt. I realize that the increase in necessary becuase of the increased costs, but the iMac is what makes Macinctosh a viable comeptitor. The G4 and soon to be G5 towers are excellent, but only cover a very small demographic and their high cost makes them prohibitive. The lower cost iMac can go head to head with most PCs and in some cases, offer a better value. While I agree that the high end computers are more fun and interesting (from a marketing/sales perspective). The lower cost machines are what is going to make money. Something that I believe Apple is still desprately in need of. It may be a smarter move to swallow the increased costs for the time being and attempt to move more volume.
of all the different MacWorlds? There sure do seem to be a lot of them... A schedule, perhaps? It would be nice.
Everything is mainstream now.
There is one other really cool feature that was left out. The new version of the iPod software now supports address book syncing with Microsoft Entourage (read outlook for Mac OS) as well as OS X's built in address book.
The information on it can be found here.
Fear trumps hope and ignorance trumps both
I'm curious why they do not support other systems besides the Macintosh with the iPod.
:)
Perhaps Microsoft should sue Apple over this issue.
More importantly, who is buying these things?!?
Wouldn't a more rational plan be to drop the iPod to $299 and sell this new version for $399? (which is what it's going for now)
$500 seems like an AWFUL lot of money for a product with a 90 day warranty.
Imagine the new iPod announcement there: US$599 gets you a 0-gig iPod, a $100 expense voucher for driving to the US border, and a $100 budget to buy a 10-gig drive there. That would turn out to be cheaper than a complete iPod plus the levy.
"component price increases"? Uh huh, more like we realized demand is high so we can stick it to you.
iTunes 2.04 was also (quietly) released, nothing new here except better stability.
Also, the Bluetooth update won't be avaliable for download till April (this from Apple's site).
-- Your local friendly mad scientist-in-training
Honestly though, what is this new Ipod? Its a 10 GB HDD that can play mp3 files. Last time i checked, a 10 GB HDD was nowhere NEAR the suggested $499...and the new USB 2.0 Hard Drives by Maxtor are much more exciting, with 40 GB of space, and its just as portable as the Ipod.
Lets check the stats on this:
New 10 GB Ipod: $499, 10 GB Storage, Mac-only
Maxtor USB 2.0 HDD: $299, 40 GB storage, Windows/*bsd/*nix.
MP3 Player: $60
Hm, for more than $100 less, I get 30 GB more storage and MP3 capability...
Which would you choose?
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Also, The Mac Observer has a nice blow by blow of Steve's keynote.
Otherwise, cool stuff!
Say hello to zMac.
It's good to see that Apple's embracing the technology, giving it a greater chance of widespread adoption. Remember what Apple did for us with USB and Firewire?
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Now if only they had bluetooth support for the iPod, I'd be happy about not having to connect it up to the PC every time I wanted to transfer a file.
Having played with an iPod before and found that the sound is a bit try, the EQ is a welcome addition and was the one thing that didn't convince me to buy one over a NetMD-based walkman. Contact management is just damn cool, evidence that Apple listens to the community out there (remember that iPod contact hack?). Good work, Apple
Microsoft Office AND Appleworks on the same iPod!t ml
http://www.wired.com/news/mac/0,2125,50688,00.h
Actually, Sun's had a 24.1" LCD out for a while now with the 1900x1200 resolution that the new 23" Apple LCD features.
e rals/monitors.html#24.1inch
http://www.sun.com/products-n-solutions/hw/periph
I guess one good side of being a PC user is that price goes down while the performance goes up. Although no one believes that the iMac price increase is due to manufacturing costs. If people will line up to pay $1800, why not charge them $1900 or more. It's nice to have a strong following especially if you can make them pay for it.
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I guess I was just too late with that, and then the MacCentral link had the iMac thing anyway. Darn - first my article submission was just too late, then my attempted informative post. Go ahead and moderate my redundant ass into oblivion now... ;-)
...what he thinks.
and no one cares.
"Which iPod is yours?"
"It's the one that says 'Bad Mother Fucker'"
Now that it has a 10 gb drive it may be worth buying. I have wanted one for awhile and wished Apple would support Windows with them. Oh well. A $500 pricetag seems a little steep and will defer me from getting one right now.
i know u wintell trolls don't know anything except what life is life according to what techtv says but...
..the imacs are selling like hotcakes and the people that get paid to MARKET don't need your "input."
go back to suck dell's buttocks. they need YOU.
why?
when did Apple sue Microsoft about the same thing?
go back to dual booting...
...Windows is there only for games, right?
Yes, but note the pricing. $3400 for the 23" display, $4500 for the Sun 24.1" screen (which I believe is a rebadged Samsung - I may be wrong here). Sure, you need a DVI -> ADC connector but they're not too expensive.
your a dumb ass!
Anyone know where I can see a copy of Jobs' keynote address?
Lawrence Lessig is my personal hero.
the Wintel trolls first say they should lower it so they can sell them.
now this guy says they DO lower it.
which is it?
jealousy,
jealousy. for a couple hundred bux more, u're still too cheap for a better machine. tsk tsk
Given that I can't sync my Clie via USB because of the lack of 'drivers' for OS X, who cares wether bluetooth is involved - how did Jobs do it?
Any clue what's up?
A little tidbit for those college students/those with parents/friends in the education industry. Try going to the Education Apple Store, things are cheaper for 'ya.
Example: 5 GB iPod: $369 (Normally $399)
10 GB iPod: $469. (Normally $499)
Hey, $30 off isn't too bad. Just trying to get the word out.
$500 ipods, $600 15" LCD displays, does apple only cater to the super rich? yes, clear plastic and shiny metal is neat but cmon! dont get me wrong, i love my mac but i had to get it refurbished through apple just to afford it. just like in the grocery store, when the apples are too expensive, you go and buy bananas. macs would dominate if they could compete price wise with PCs.
This is big. If Apple is on the blue tooth train, then it means that the standard will be back from the dead when M$ put it by not supporting it in XP, and will become successfull (see USB for some background.) Apple is obviously working on new desktop and laptop systems with bluetooth integrated. It's not rumors but very certain that BT is what Apple need for their digital hub strategy. I wonder how they are going to cop with interference between BT and 802.11b. And it will be really funny to see how other vendors are playing catch up with Apple when they realize that bluetooth is a really neat solution to connect devices. In M$ interest not to connect easily with Palm, this is the only reason why the beast of Redmond killed the technology by not releasing drivers last summer. However, all the devices like PDAs (ex: iPaq, Loox, etc...) are released in Japan with BlueTooth in standard. Again, US is lagging big time behind Japan when it comes to wireless (3G, and now BlueTooth.)
PPA, the girl next door.
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perhaps you haven't seen the ibm 22.2 lcd with double the resolution! oooh! (t22)
The iMac story is a scandal. Apple are screwed w.r.t. to the iMac and they know it. This quarter's profits from the iMac are in the crapper due to the supply problems and the $100 per iMac will help them look better. Since they can't meet demand and won't be able to do so for a while, the orders they lose don't immediately effect their sales. I expect that once supplies are there, the price will go back down otherwise they'll really screw themselves. Basically by doing this Apple is admitting they're completely f***ed on iMac sales. 2 months and 1400 dollars to get the cheapest desktop Mac is really quite pathetic. This is like something out of the early to mid 90s Apple. I write this as an Apple stockholder and someone who has been considering buying an iMac.
The Macworld Conference and Expo/Tokyo 2002 website is here with information on the event and the exhibits.
There is also a thread at Macrumors on the event.
Those wanting to watch the keynote are out of luck because there are no plans to broadcast it this year, like they have done in the past.
--Metrollica
I totally agree. Though I am not quite informed as you are as the reason for microsoft killing bluetooth Ive seen what sticking with plain old 11b is doing to the area (seattle). I mean its fun surfing through badly protected windows domains with wireless implementation in the middle of the night from your car with a couple of friends with laptops. But it gets old after around a month. Hear Hear to Apple! oh yeah and if any apple rep wants to buy my loyalty forever respond and offer me a 23" display.
Maclegion.org has a few good articles about this stuff. Their best is on the new disply and is worth checking out.
Traditionally 'Alan Smithee' is the moniker taken on by a movie director when he is so ashamed of his work that he will not be associated with it by name.
So it's a little worrying to see who they reference (via graphic) as the iPod project manager on the story link.
:)
Imagine the new iPod announcement there: US$599 gets you a 0-gig iPod, a $100 expense voucher for driving to the US border, and a $100 budget to buy a 10-gig drive there.
The proposed CA$21/GB levy applies only to recording devices on which no sounds have ever been fixed. Apple could just cut a deal with Vivendi to put an MP3.com sampler on each unit before shipping it.
Will I retire or break 10K?
I'm curious as to how Apple got their brand new "Contacts feature" seen here. It seems to me that two other people beat apple to the punch. iPod Organizer and ipoAddress.
I'm curious as to whether Apple went to the developers, and bought the idea/software. I know they did this for SoundJam, in order to get iTunes. They literally bought out every SoundJam developer, and took the software.
I also know this is how the "time in the title bar" idea got started. 3rd party software, bought by Apple. Any facts surrounding this acquisition?
Offtopic, I know, but I would really like to see SHN (shorten) file support. Sure, you could transfer them on there, but I would like to see the iPod actually play them.
Mp3s are just too lossy for my liking. I could still fit a few losslessly compressed albums on a 5 or 10 gig iPod, which is fine by me! Anything to keep from bringing a battery-draining CD player and loads of discs.
Anyone know if that kind of hack is even possible? If it was, I'd buy one in a second.
the price of memory went up for the iBook's too. it was $300 for the 512MB upgrade, it is now $400, well that's what it was when it went up nearly 2 weeks ago. the salesperson actually told me to not waste my money on "Apple memory" and do what she did, buy it online! (course i saved myself even more...)
Is available here. The coverage was updated as the keynote progressed - you might say the server got Slashdotted!
I was waiting for someone to outdo the 22" Cinema Display, funny it was Apple that ended up doing it themselves.
ViewSonic has had a 23" 1600x1200 LCD out for a few months now for ~$3500, so Apple was bested slightly already. (Even now, the Viewsonic has a larger screen -- 23" widescreen isn't as big as 23" 4:3 -- but the Apple is higher-res.)
Ooh, a sarcasm detector. Oh, that's a real useful invention.
Try here instead.
I love the SHN format for downloading shows of etree or Furthur but as a portable device format it doesn't stand a chance because the filesize is just way too large and there are no SHN chip decoders in existance. What I would really like to see is a lossless format that reduces file size even further. Shorten is basically abandonware that has been adopted by a niche.
everyone has a cellphone, not an iPod, and they hold their important #'s in there. what about todo lists and the like, that stuff would be much cooler to me? anyone else agree?
Kenny Sabarese
www.kennysabarese.com
The Sun 24.1" monitor, while manufactured by Samsung, is not a 'rebadged' product by any means. It has been specifically engineered to Sun specs by Sun Engineers. Samsung provides the assembly lines and co-developed, etc.
I'm using one now...
I still have not heard anything about the imac emulator that Microcode was supposed to announce/demo at the show. Is it still vapor?
...the Sun monitor was introduced last week, and Sun is only taking pre-orders. I'd like to talk about the manufacturing schedule, but my NDA prohibits...sorry.
BMW...Mercedes....Lexus...it's called total cost of ownership, and it involves more than dis'ing anyone that appreciates the slogan "you get what you pay for...".
:)
Maybe you need to ask your parents to raise your allowance...(recalling that spoof commercial "we didn't get cheap computers....we just got cheap parents!"
5GB iPod (refurbished) for $339 from store.apple.com (Click on "Special Deals"). Comes with the same 90 day warranty as a new iPod.
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Really, a 256kbps vbr mp3 is not far off from a lossless compression like SHN (shorten), check out this comparison of the audio spectrum here.
adam
OOO - thanks for pointing out what we all read!
Do you think maybe you could help us all out and link to this thread from within your own post??
Maybe you've hit on such a meaningful thing you should go submit it to the editors - I'm sure they haven't heard this lovely tid bit.
Christ, this story has been up for 2 hours and we *still* don't have a "for another $100 I had sure better get another button on my mouse!" joke? What's Slashdot coming too? Next thing you know, they'll admit that OSDN is run on an AppleSeed cluster of Tangerine iMacs!
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Things have changed. Micron (Boise, Idaho) is taking over the industry. They bought Toshiba's DRAM business, they bought TI's business, they bought KMT's business, and are negotiating to buy Hynex, which is in trouble. They and Samsung are in a race for the #1 spot now; if the the Hynex deal goes through, Micron will be far bigger than Samsung in DRAM.
In 2001, there was a huge DRAM glut, which pushed prices down. Micron, instead of cutting back, used its advantage as the lowest-cost producer to squeeze out the weaker players. Here's an overview of the industry.
It looks like that when the dust settles, Micron will have about 40% market share, Samsung (S. Korea) about 22%, Elpdata (Japan) somewhere under 20%, and minor players the rest. The era of brutal competition in DRAM may be ending. The number of players is much smaller now. We may see more "stability" in DRAM pricing.
So, will this be an obvious way to add the much needed wireless keyboard and mouse to the new iMac? Are there bluetooth keyboards and mice? The idea would be to plug the bluetooth USB adapter into one of the ports on the back of the iMac.
For that matter, what about providing a wireless bluetooh USB hub?!? That would be kind of nice. Then you could use any old USB keyboard and mouse, plugged into the wireless hub. Better still, I could plug my iMic into the hub in order to wirelessly transmit digital audio from my computer to my stereo.
Do I have to design, build and sell these things myself?
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Wouldn't be easier just to redesign Unix users?
Ergonomica Auctorita Illico!
No lossless compression, but you can still store several 600MB CDs of audio.
iPod specs
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$2,000 got you the machine you could afford -the one that you could use Office and Quicken on, play most middle-of the road games, and if you were willing to wait a long time, dabble in graphic design and multimedia.
Now the machine you really want still costs $4,000, but the machine you can afford is down to $1,500, and it does far more than even the best home computers did just two or three years ago.
The fact that there are $500 commodity PC boxes available is nice, but does that mean that the $1,500 iMac no longer has value to the person who purchases it?
It seems to me that rather than comparing the prices of PC and Mac CPUs and peripherals, we ought to be comparing overall value to the consumer - i.e., is this machine doing everything I want it to do, for a price that I find worthwhile?
If you love your Mac, but you don't love PCs, there must be more perceived value in the Mac for you. If that's the case, isn't it intrinsically worth more to you than a less expensive PC?
Read the EFF's Fair Use FAQ
My fiancee is studying music in school, and she has to listen to a rediculous amount of music. One of the reasons she got a laptop was to be able to rip the CDs in the library so she wouldn't have to fight for access to them with others in the classes.
Now when she gets new listening assignments, she hops into the library, rips the CDs, syncs the iPod, and she's set. If she really likes the music, she makes a copy of the CD to go in the CD Jukebox in our apartment so she can listen to the higher quality recording.
Now she doesn't mind the 30-45 minute subway rides that she does getting around town because she just turns on her iPod and the music is waitting for her.
Could this be done with non-Apple equipment, sure. However, the two hours of helping her adjust from being a Windows user to a Mac user made up for it from reduced tech support on my end... As I type away on my Windows machine whose copy of Internet Explorer couldn't use view source last week...
Alex
Newer ipods and bigger cinema displays are great, but MacOS X is vastly more important. Guess the transition period needs to be lengthened now.
A 22" CRT, while capable of a much sharper image, uses 3 to 5 times the energy, most of which is thrown into your home or office climate. Together, these will raise your operating expense...throw in that 'bigger desk', and up it goes again. And what about the upcoming regulations that will require the consumer to pay for disposal of these monsters? More cost....
Your desire to quote a lower price, while ignoring the increased soft costs associated with CRT ownership make you the fool, sir. But this is exactly the type of logic that marketing guys love in a consumer. Too bad you can't take a break and realize you're being manipulated. Ignorance is bliss...right?
Seems to have been alot of really positive (overall) articles on apple and their products lately.
I used to be a Mac slammer. Nothing made me quite as happy as slamming indignant Mac die hards, unless it was slamming brainless Microsoft Bots. That was before Steve Jobs came back to apple. Then I started watching them with interest.
Now, after all these good stories lately, about the ipod, imovies, OS X and its unix environment, I have to say someone slipped me some of the Mac coolaide.
I want one! I want one now! Damn! And I'm happy about it too!
Gimme a mac!
The price of memory is back down. Flat panels have never been cheaper. The barrier to entry for Apple is up $600 from the CRT iMac.
Have they got any idea what their competition is doing? PCs have twice the power for half the cost. $1400 will buy one hell of a fast PC with firewire, USB 2.0, Geforce 4 graphics, all the speed and features of the dual G4 1Ghz for the price of an iMac. God it kills me what fools mac zealots are. Begging to be robbed. Pretty shiny slick glowing throbbing easy slow expensive fragile.
If voting were effective, it would be illegal by now.
I have nothing against either Apple or iPod but they really shouldn't say things like this:
"With an industry-leading 20 minutes of skip protection, iPod keeps playing without missing a beat. iPod has a 32MB solid-state memory cache, meaning that it has no mechanical or moving parts, so it's not affected by movement of the device."
Well, cache is a cache, but the hard drive is mechanical and it moves. Unless by 'it' they mean 'cache' but the whole sentence appears as if it were the whole iPod which is solid state.
Why the added vCard support to the iPod? It's kind of like mounting a railgun to a toaster.
slashdot!=valid HTML
You can use VCF files to make todo lists/display random text data.
.vcf file\n3) Copy to contacts folder on iPod
And it's a heck of a lot easier and more elegant than setting up mp3 tags.
begin:vcard
version:3.0
fn:To Do List
title:1) Write Perl Script\n2) Write
end:vcard
Voila.
No, the new iPod software doesn't support Ogg. Could the hardware support it? Probably. But it does not, at least as of 1.1.
I wonder if this new Apple display will be the first to incorporate Mitsubishi's Feed Forward Display Technology. Then we'd finally be able to watch full motion video and play QuakeIII on our LCD Displays - and I'd actually consider owning one.
the ability to deal with an HFS+ firewire hard drive, right? That's all the iPod is, really, that and some software to play the tunes on it.
BlackGriffen
Sun patented ugly design too I can tell. At least and not like Apple, Sun can rest assured that one will copy their design. Plain Fugly!
PPA, the girl next door.
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Even better would be flac support which is LGPL'd, supports ID3 tags and works very well.
I guess I can kind of see the logic of making it as simple as possible for the consumers the iMacs are geared to, but shouldn't the high-end towers come with a mouse with more than one button? Don't get me wrong, I have a Mac and I love it but the first thing I did was buy a new mouse.
All movements for social change begin as missions, evolve into businesses, and end up as rackets.
But two weeks ago I got a G4 tower and I couldn't be happier. It's everything I always wanted Linux on the desktop to be.
All movements for social change begin as missions, evolve into businesses, and end up as rackets.
Check the back of your iPod. Under the edched logo you'll find your iPod's serial number etched in as well, and it matches the serila # you'll find in 'settings'.
Kinda cool, kinda unnoticed.
Kevin Fox
So, with Apple leading the renaissance in wireless networking (it was their introduction of the AirPort that kicked of this current wave of activity) how will they reconcile this with Bluetooth? All of their computers ship with wireless card slots and built-in antennas; they all also ship with USB ports (also popularized by Apple.) Which is to drown out the other? While it's true that they can co-exist it is at the expense of greatly reduced data rates, already an issue for folks used to 100 Mbps or 1,000 Mbps (standard on many Mac models) Ethernet.
My own bet is that before or along-with any USB-BlueTooth product introduction Apple will ship a revised AirPort, or at least a software tweak with a built in Bluetooth-friendly autonegotiation. Or, failing that we'll see the release of an AirPort II featuring 802.11a (at 5 GHz and capable of 54 Mbps) thus safely different from cordless phones, microwave ovens, baby monitors, 802.11b, 802.11g, Bluetooth, HomeRF, and a half dozen other wireless applications.
As to microwave ovens - well 2.4 Ghz is the resonant frequency of water so no change possible there. However it is something to think about as you hold these various new wireless devices up next to your body.
I don't read ACs: If a post isn't worth so much as a nom de plume to its author then I wont bother either.
Pulp iPod
I'm not sure how you justify that a monitor with lower rez than the Apple bests it Apple?
what is easter eggs? a game or does it turn your ipod into colorful easter patterns? that would be so icute
one thing I sure that no one has mentioned yet is that Sony haven't released the Bluetooth memorystick for the Clie yet. That was one of the reasons I got rid of mine. Moving over to the Palm m515 with a bluetooth card is much easier than hanging around having to use the IR modem on my Ericsson T39 and the Clie.
Hey, how would you like a 23" display? :)
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Nah, just kidding
deus does not exist but if he does
Perhaps they should put a pink bow and Hello Kitty stickers on it, then? Would that be more to your satisfaction?
If you store uncompressed albums, your iPOD will also be battery-draining.
These HDD based MP3 players usually spin the HDD once in a few minutes to buffer something like 5 minutes into RAM. Using uncompressed sound, your HDD will be continuously running, shortening the battery life a lot.
1. It can correctly display some previous undisplayable Chinese characters now, which is a great saving: a very common character that is used in Chinese names can now been seen. It was such an eye-sore!
2. There used to be a track in my iPod that would freeze up the machine. Now the problem is gone.
Good job, Apple!
This is the funniest signature I could ever think of.
When you click on the iPod link that goes to the apple.com website, look down at the screenshot of the Contact window. Notice the name, Alan Smithee? To most people, they wouldn't give it a second thought...
I was watching a TV show last week that spent 30 minutes talking about a Hollywood director named Alan Smithee. The thing about this director is that he does not exist. The Directors Guild use this name to indicate that this movie is basically doomed to fail before it starts. Although websites won't say that detail, they give a bunch of filmographies. You can certainly do google searches for his name. Note the absence of pictures.
It's just ironic/weird that the Alan Smithee name would be used there, maybe they are foreshadow the iPod, saying the unit is doomed before it starts?
Thank God Jobs got off of his megalomaniacal pedestal for long enough to point the company in the right direction.
;)
I've always loved Apple, being raised on them as a child. Only when I entered college and wanted to play the latest games did switch from a Mac to a Wintel platform. But I always had hope that Apple would somehow turn themselves around.
And, lo and behold, the seemingly permanent "interim" CEO has made leaps and bounds with the company.
With the influx of the various digital media into society, I find myself wanting a Mac more and more each day. With a new Mac equipped with FireWire, USB, and wireless (and a BSD-style kernel) I would be a very happy geek.
Anyone have a cool $2000 laying around that I could use to buy myself an iMac or iBook?
See one in a store? No. Going to see one in a store? No.
First off Apple generally uses pretty high quality components. Their LCD is a sight nicer then your $300 closeout special. Apple also integrates everything a hell of a lot better. Of course that's a lot easier when the OS comes from the same vendor (where's yours?) Indeed right there is half of the value of the machine, it runs MacOS X. And of course the included applications, not shovelware but good stuff that works with the hardware and works intuitively.
Of course there's also the point of the screen being on a pedestal. That's unique in the industry and totally rocks - it's amazing how seductive it is to have a display one can casually reach out & reposition, tilt, angle. It really does change the experience and some panel-on-pegs is not the same at all.
Then there's that whole service & support thing. You may disdain it but the iMac is the intro level computer and ask any real vendor - it costs, it costs a lot to support folks. Phones, websites, repairs, parts, trained folks, etc. You may be willing to spend half a day getting your CD burner to work; most folks just want one that works and if it doesn't a number to call and a quick & easy resolution path.
Am I a Macolyte? No. I have a few, and yeah the mac.com address (free, stable, fast, offers POP, IMAP, SMTP, WebDAV, HTTP, no adverts, can't beat that) but I've also a room full of PCs. Which do I recommend to folks? Depends on what they want to do and how they like to work.
For some things Macs are spot on, for others PCs are a better choice. Macs are price competitive (your apples-to-oranges comparison notwithstanding) as one long as one avoids the Apple memory. The iMac is a great intro or home machine, trivial to set up and fast enough. I also find the laptops to be good deals with rugged cases & long battery life. The G4s are fine machines though they do cost the dickens but if ya need them there they are. Depending on your business a Mac might or might not be appropriate, certainly in some fields a Wintel box is a much better choice, others a Mac fits the bill.
But you, you seem to have a chip on your shoulder. Fine. But don't go making stupid statements and not expect to get called on them. Nor come looking for an argument or to act out your frustrations at whatever. We've both had our say and at this point any further discussion would be almost like baiting those foamers one sometimes finds on streetcorners - just inane & embarrassing for all around.
I don't read ACs: If a post isn't worth so much as a nom de plume to its author then I wont bother either.
Not entirely true. My Powerbook G3 running OS-X has the control key in the right place, as well as the control key on the bottom next between 'fn' and 'option'. I'm an old NeXT guy, so there was no way I was putting up with OpenStep 5x with the control key in the wrong place.
It wasn't that hard to do. If you are interested, let me know.
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Apple posted 38 million profit in the first quarter this year.
I'm not sure how you justify that a monitor with lower rez than the Apple bests it Apple?
The Viewsonic bests the old Apple 22" in size and resolution, which was the point I was making. The new Apple is probably slightly smaller but higher-res, so which is better depends on your needs and perhaps your eyesight. (Your equipment too, but if you're in a position to buy a $3500 monitor, you can probably afford an equipment upgrade.)
Me, I wish I was in a position that it would be worth asking: can you run these in portrait mode so you can put two side-by-side?
Ooh, a sarcasm detector. Oh, that's a real useful invention.
if you actually did more than talk about your cool new iPod and showed your friends your "cool" new iPod. ;)
proton != antielectron
If just one more person tells me to get a Mac...
I swear I'm gonna do it.
Of course, that "one person" is my wife.
Since noones mentioned it yet, the reason for the increased pixel density of the new 23" display is that it's High Definition instead of just digital like current LCD's.
As someone else mentioned, SUN technicly has a larger LCD witht heir 24", but it has the same resolution and much lower pixel density, not to mention that it doesn't support HD signals. SO once again Apple releases a "first".
At least my 2.4 GHz phone and my Airport Base Station do not. I did a test, using my phone at the same time as a download via the basestation had absolutely zero impact on the download speed or the signal strength. In fact the download speed happened to slightly increase, though certainly unrelated. I suppose if I kept trying different channels on the base station until I hit the one that the phone uses I'd see a problem, but I didn't bother to try it.
--- What?
Big mp3 collectors like me are waiting for the elusive 100 gig portable or always-on wireless music streamer. 2000 songs or about 130 albums is nice, but what I really want is to be able to go anywhere with every single album i own/illegally downloaded.
Well thank you for your helpful and informative posting. I've no doubt it will be well appreciated by those folks who haven't had your fortunate experience.
I've had any number of friends and clients report problems, particularly those in device-rich environments like offices. Indeed one recently had to decide between their new Siemens 4200-series 2.4 GHz consumer phone system I'd recommended and their WiFi base station just brought in as part of another project. The same is true for the customer who watched his presentation go down in flames when a bevy of Bluetooth devices in the room slowed the 802.11b link he was on down to uselessness.
No doubt the authors of numerous articles on this exact topic (see Google) will also be cheered to hear that you've exhaustively researched & tested this and determined their own results are in fact wrong.
Where would we all be without your support and cheerful insight?
I don't read ACs: If a post isn't worth so much as a nom de plume to its author then I wont bother either.
I did, in fact, read all of the links in the story except the MacCentral one. I had submitted a story on all this just a minute or so after the guy that got it did, so I thought I'd add the little tidbit that I didn't see in his submission. I was wrong. Can slashdot ever forgive me?
As I said, moderators, please mod me down to -1 (I'm posting this at +2 for maximum karma damage) and if you find it in your hearts to do so, moderate all of my recent posts down as well. Thank you.
Say hello to zMac.
It's hard to be religious when certain people are never incinerated by bolts of lightning.
Oh my head,
CanNaCoke
Same thing with my powerbook G4, although the caps lock light still toggles on and off when technically it's acting as a control key. Go figure.
I'm just waiting for the flood of people cashing in their 22" Cinema Displays to buy a 23" Cinema Display HD...
-jcr
The only title of honor that a tyrant can grant is "Enemy of the State."
From http://www.apple.com/displays/acd23/
"Shines in lab settings, too
"The Apple Cinema HD Display is just the ticket for 3D modeling, and for graphics-intensive visualization tasks on the outer reaches of science and engineering. And the Apple Cinema HD Display is a great research partner in yet another sense as well: it emits near-zero electromagnetic output, minimizing the kind of interference with sensitive scientific equipment that can skew readings or results."
Guess that makes it one sexy, big-ass, hi-res, expensive DARK monitor.
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You don't even have to be rich to afford $1100 of computer equipment, loser.
That's an excellent suggestion. Since Linux is about to become obsolete, due to the Hurd, Slashdot will most likely need to investigate a superior platform like WinXP and IIS.
.NET, it stands to reason that they could quickly move the code over and implement web services and a proper underlying database.
Since Perl is part of
...if only I could buy one!
Yeah, sure it's cool that Apple releases a updated cinema monitor (about time someone might add). I'm just one of those sorry sods that own a PowerBook, and have to settle to a analog-monitor. As the PB is my only computer I have to live with a huge tube sitting on my desk. Well, at least it's easier to turn around than the Apple flats...
I can only wonder how Apple doesn't offer any monitors for PB owners at all! I wish there only was an Apple monitor to suit the coolness of the Ti-PB... Meanwhile I'll just spray-paint my old Sony tube with silver paint...
If all else fails, pull the plug and get out...
The Life is out there...
Keep whining you baby! You show real maturity by bitching, moaning, and getting your page slashdotted. Loser.
--SC
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