The biggest concern seems to be finding the glitches in the system instead of reconsidering automated arms altogether"
You call this a glitch? We're scheduled to begin construction in 6 months. Your temporary setback could cost us 50 million dollars in interest payments alone!
Can we stop doing this now? People around here know that "Linux" is a kernel. We get it. We've gotten it for the past 10 years. Here's the deal: when used in this context - and just about any other - the term "Linux" refers "a Linux distribution". You realize this, right? Of course.
Agreed. People should also stop saying "Bzzzt... wrong". It makes them sound like a pretentious turd.
Can't do Linux? Download it and learn yourself. Anything less is just excuses.
OK so you have installed Linux for the first time. Where do you start? What's the most effective way to familiarise yourself with the environment? Should these noobs learn the GUI admin tools first, then try to grok the generated config files and scripts? Should they grab a Linux reference manual from a bookshop/library and start following the SH tutorial? Or maybe just fire up firefox and point it at TLDP or the distro's docs?
That's the sort of problems these Linux noobs have. The *nix universe is vast and takes a number of years to get a decent understanding of. I can imagine the dread of some poor noob only familiar with Windows who has been ordered to get Oracle up and running on RHEL. If the noob isn't scared, (s)he should be.
I agree with you that you need to roll your sleeves up and do a Linux install on some old box kicking about and have a play. I'll add: it helps if you enjoy learning this stuff and are motivated because it's a long road and there are frustrating times ahead (also heaps of fun and geeky stuff along the way).
You make good points, except that the genetically in-built Australian national tendency towards criminality is ironically highlighted by your theft of Vegemite, which is of course not Australian at all but a New Zealand creation.
Yeah NZ is great... that's why half the Kiwi population is here in Australia, enjoying our welfare systems and quality of life.
Please don't send Bush here: we're already overflowing with fucktard politicians like John Howard, Peter Costello and Kim Beazley. The trends in our government suggest we're heading towards structures similar to the US's broken "feed the rich, fuck the poor" systems. Please don't expedite this process. Thanks.
It's certainly not bug-free but I have an installation that's been running fairly solidly for a few months. Needs a kick in the guts once every six weeks or so due to - you guessed it - zapata drivers.
my 4-port FXO card
Is it a Digium card?
some lines mysteriously disappear, Asterisk not answering them, or answering them with an ear-piercing squeal.
Gah! This shouldn't be that hard dude but I doubt it's Asterisk. Sorry to hear you've practically given up. It may not even be the card but rather some oddness/incompatibility between the line and the card. I'm assuming you know about such things as line rotation/selection, glaring, etc...
there is zero possibility of malware root escalation
What if the malware exploits a hole in the kernel?
ACLs are really awesome until someone exploits a hole in the ACL framework.
assuming you aren't the strawman idiot "Acrobat"-user/gullible moron you alluded to.
I'm not, you're not, most people that read this site are not... but the majority of the population will probably be fooled, judging from the past successes of Windows-based email worms.
I think the case makes more sense if you think of it as punishing McDonald's for serving the coffee at extremely (undrinkable?) high temperature without regard for safety and no plans to review/ monitor this issue. I'm assuming the court decided that McDonald's had neglected their duty to provide food "safely".
Not only did she put something very hot between her legs (don't quibble about the temperature - hot coffee is hot coffee, right up to boiling hot coffee),
If I gave you the choice of "50 degree Centigrade hot water on your crotch" or "90 degree Centigrade hot water on your crotch" what would you choose? Or do you think there would be no difference? The woman suffered third degree burns... that's not really normal for a coffee spill imnsho. I've spilt coffee on myself before. Sure it hurts but I wasn't left with third degree burns.
she did so in the confines of a car seat.
They didn't offer a tray? They didn't say "Careful ma'am, it's really hot!" ??
It's like selling methylated spirits without a "poison" warning label. Only idiots would drink it but the warning is still necessary to fulfil your responsibility as a provider of the substance.
Anyway I must admit I don't really care... this McDonald's coffee issue should become another Godwin Law:)
Every country has their own variation. In Japan it's sushi off naked women. I sure we have an equiviant here in Australia but I'm too scared to think of what it might be and too tired to think of something funny.
They may have rendered it useless for you, but they have made an excelent desktop enviroment for me.
Well said. Some people (myself included) prefer the way Gnome is now: it mostly gets out of the way and has sensible defaults. There's only a handful of changes I end up making which are all easily configured via the gui:
Then I'm happy! I leave Nautilus as spacial because I think it's better for common operations. I usually open a terminal when I need to do something slightly complex.
I think KDE is *great* software and was blown away by it back in the 1.x days. I've been keeping a fairly close eye on it over the years and there have been amazing developments that have occurred but it's just not the sort of environment I'm comfortable in and the developers aren't moving KDE in a direction that would improve the experience for me. They're not doing anything *wrong* per se: they're just catering to an audience that has different priorities than me.
the system itself should be relatively immune from a system-wide infection.
Sorry, that's pure crap.
All someone needs to do is write a program that runs as a user and pops up a dialogue asking for the root password. There could be a daemon component to the malware that scans for an appropriate time to pop up this dialogue or it could just recognize what software is installed and say something misleading such as "There's a new version of Adobe Acrobat, please enter the admin password to install"
Plenty of geeks wouldn't be fooled but I can almost guarantee most non-geeks would enter the password.
There are heaps of other options for attacking OSX. All it takes is one exploitable binary that's running with elevated privileges and it's game over.
You realise there have been local root exploits for the Linux Kernel due to things like subtle race conditions, right? You really think that the MacOSX kernel is 100% secure? How about relative to OpenBSD, which has been exploited in the past and will likely be exploited in the future? Are the Apple programmers really *that* good? If so, they deserve some major accolades.
I'm not looking forward to the inevitable proliferation of MacOSX botnets. I won't be saying "I told you so", I'll be shaking my head thinking "Fuck, this is never going to change" as I put in measures to protect my networks from zombie Macs whose owners probably *still* think they have a secure system.
Don't these dudes have any non-programmer friends who use OpenBSD and would like to contribute to the project in some way?
I know a dude who is the CEOs of a financial company and runs a non-profit charity in his spare time, singlehandedly. Most of the work is bookwork/accounting, which I *HATE* and understand why people like Theo would resist this flavor of pain. He must have a few friends that could take the reins here, surely?
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Build some solar cells into their helmets.
Ouch! That would be uncomfortable. Also you won't get much light in your pants even if you think the sun shines out of your arse.
Oh... you mean the helmets on their heads? Never mind.
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Ob link...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=95fNgx8aCS8
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You call this a glitch? We're scheduled to begin construction in 6 months. Your temporary setback could cost us 50 million dollars in interest payments alone!
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no swimming pool when the A/C is on.
;)
How about skipping the photovoltaic slick and just jump in the pool?
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Fruit flies want to be free!
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And 2% are a bit confused.
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Agreed. People should also stop saying "Bzzzt... wrong". It makes them sound like a pretentious turd.
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so a shot of 100 tons of titanium a day could well make a moon mining facility profitable.
I can see the "Save the Moon" bumper stickers already.
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That printer was out of paper, had you looked at the screen it has, you would have seen that.
"PC Load Letter? What the fuck does that mean?"
Sorry, had to say it...
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Nothing about the iPod stops you from loading MP3s onto it.
Unless you have an OS that can't run iTunes.
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Can't do Linux? Download it and learn yourself. Anything less is just excuses.
OK so you have installed Linux for the first time. Where do you start? What's the most effective way to familiarise yourself with the environment? Should these noobs learn the GUI admin tools first, then try to grok the generated config files and scripts? Should they grab a Linux reference manual from a bookshop/library and start following the SH tutorial? Or maybe just fire up firefox and point it at TLDP or the distro's docs?
That's the sort of problems these Linux noobs have. The *nix universe is vast and takes a number of years to get a decent understanding of. I can imagine the dread of some poor noob only familiar with Windows who has been ordered to get Oracle up and running on RHEL. If the noob isn't scared, (s)he should be.
I agree with you that you need to roll your sleeves up and do a Linux install on some old box kicking about and have a play. I'll add: it helps if you enjoy learning this stuff and are motivated because it's a long road and there are frustrating times ahead (also heaps of fun and geeky stuff along the way).
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The best Booger line:
"I say we blow their fucking houses up"
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You make good points, except that the genetically in-built Australian national tendency towards criminality is ironically highlighted by your theft of Vegemite, which is of course not Australian at all but a New Zealand creation.
Yeah NZ is great... that's why half the Kiwi population is here in Australia, enjoying our welfare systems and quality of life.
Cheers
Stor
Please don't send Bush here: we're already overflowing with fucktard politicians like John Howard, Peter Costello and Kim Beazley. The trends in our government suggest we're heading towards structures similar to the US's broken "feed the rich, fuck the poor" systems. Please don't expedite this process. Thanks.
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Miro is a man...
"That ain't no woman! It's a man, man!" --Austin Powers
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Too bad its also riddled with bugs.
It's certainly not bug-free but I have an installation that's been running fairly solidly for a few months. Needs a kick in the guts once every six weeks or so due to - you guessed it - zapata drivers.
my 4-port FXO card
Is it a Digium card?
some lines mysteriously disappear, Asterisk not answering them, or answering them with an ear-piercing squeal.
Gah! This shouldn't be that hard dude but I doubt it's Asterisk. Sorry to hear you've practically given up. It may not even be the card but rather some oddness/incompatibility between the line and the card. I'm assuming you know about such things as line rotation/selection, glaring, etc...
Cheers
Stor
Hi! :)
there is zero possibility of malware root escalation
What if the malware exploits a hole in the kernel?
ACLs are really awesome until someone exploits a hole in the ACL framework.
assuming you aren't the strawman idiot "Acrobat"-user/gullible moron you alluded to.
I'm not, you're not, most people that read this site are not... but the majority of the population will probably be fooled, judging from the past successes of Windows-based email worms.
Cheers
Stor
I think the case makes more sense if you think of it as punishing McDonald's for serving the coffee at extremely (undrinkable?) high temperature without regard for safety and no plans to review/ monitor this issue. I'm assuming the court decided that McDonald's had neglected their duty to provide food "safely".
:)
Not only did she put something very hot between her legs (don't quibble about the temperature - hot coffee is hot coffee, right up to boiling hot coffee),
If I gave you the choice of "50 degree Centigrade hot water on your crotch" or "90 degree Centigrade hot water on your crotch" what would you choose? Or do you think there would be no difference? The woman suffered third degree burns... that's not really normal for a coffee spill imnsho. I've spilt coffee on myself before. Sure it hurts but I wasn't left with third degree burns.
she did so in the confines of a car seat.
They didn't offer a tray? They didn't say "Careful ma'am, it's really hot!" ??
It's like selling methylated spirits without a "poison" warning label. Only idiots would drink it but the warning is still necessary to fulfil your responsibility as a provider of the substance.
Anyway I must admit I don't really care... this McDonald's coffee issue should become another Godwin Law
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Stor
Every country has their own variation. In Japan it's sushi off naked women. I sure we have an equiviant here in Australia but I'm too scared to think of what it might be and too tired to think of something funny.
A tinny on her back?
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I can state without a shadow of a doubt, it's an absolute fact that I have two testicles.
Goddamn I walked into this conversation at the wrong time...
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vi and emacs?
Fire and Brimstone coming from the sky...
Dogs and cats living together...
Mass hysteria.
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They may have rendered it useless for you, but they have made an excelent desktop enviroment for me.
Well said. Some people (myself included) prefer the way Gnome is now: it mostly gets out of the way and has sensible defaults. There's only a handful of changes I end up making which are all easily configured via the gui:
- Sloppy Focus
- Raise window on focus
- Change Theme
- Change Background
Then I'm happy! I leave Nautilus as spacial because I think it's better for common operations. I usually open a terminal when I need to do something slightly complex.
I think KDE is *great* software and was blown away by it back in the 1.x days. I've been keeping a fairly close eye on it over the years and there have been amazing developments that have occurred but it's just not the sort of environment I'm comfortable in and the developers aren't moving KDE in a direction that would improve the experience for me. They're not doing anything *wrong* per se: they're just catering to an audience that has different priorities than me.
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Stor
the system itself should be relatively immune from a system-wide infection.
Sorry, that's pure crap.
All someone needs to do is write a program that runs as a user and pops up a dialogue asking for the root password. There could be a daemon component to the malware that scans for an appropriate time to pop up this dialogue or it could just recognize what software is installed and say something misleading such as "There's a new version of Adobe Acrobat, please enter the admin password to install"
Plenty of geeks wouldn't be fooled but I can almost guarantee most non-geeks would enter the password.
There are heaps of other options for attacking OSX. All it takes is one exploitable binary that's running with elevated privileges and it's game over.
You realise there have been local root exploits for the Linux Kernel due to things like subtle race conditions, right? You really think that the MacOSX kernel is 100% secure? How about relative to OpenBSD, which has been exploited in the past and will likely be exploited in the future? Are the Apple programmers really *that* good? If so, they deserve some major accolades.
I'm not looking forward to the inevitable proliferation of MacOSX botnets. I won't be saying "I told you so", I'll be shaking my head thinking "Fuck, this is never going to change" as I put in measures to protect my networks from zombie Macs whose owners probably *still* think they have a secure system.
Cheers
Stor
Don't these dudes have any non-programmer friends who use OpenBSD and would like to contribute to the project in some way?
I know a dude who is the CEOs of a financial company and runs a non-profit charity in his spare time, singlehandedly. Most of the work is bookwork/accounting, which I *HATE* and understand why people like Theo would resist this flavor of pain. He must have a few friends that could take the reins here, surely?
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Stor
Why don't you do so yourself? Establish a "Friends of OpenBSD" foundation and register it with the local authorities.
Talk is cheap...
I don't see why this other dude has a larger obligation to do that than you.
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