you cant assume they were just going for weapons. It was not like the helo could not tail them. The unit in quesiton was NOT under fire, there was no reason not to loiter until you could confirm the intentions. I have seen other videos where they did just that. Loiter on scene until the got confirmation, then take them out.
I am not saying I dont understand the itchy trigger finger or how people can overreact in hot combat. I'm just saying that I dont see evidence of the kind of urgency that would make a quick reation like this understandable. This was calculated and intentional. Was it criminal. Maybe. Should it have been released when it occured so as to not appear like you were covering stuff up DEFINATELY.
If this guy goes to prison, I will be the 1st one in line to thank him for his service to the country. As a Vet and citizen I want people who sacrifice for their country in ANY fashion to know they are appreciated.
not to mention that you could only print articles yo ureally wanted. I would not personally ever do it, but I could see it for the paper adicts I know.
What bar does ladies night any more? It has been a while since I was in school and I dont go to yuppy bars, but I ave not noticed an add for a ladies night in print or on the radio in years. And lets face it, none of the people on alsashdot have a social life anyways...
Norway has also done a very good job of investment of its oil resources. But as was pointed out above, they had a stable government with minimial corruption before the oil was found.
It is much more likely the Afgans will end up like the Nigerians than Norway.
To expand on this, do some research on how much power California and Texas both have in determining the content of textbooks in the US. My understanding is that between the two of them they can pretty much write the book (literally) for the rest of the states. The only thing we have going for us is that they ARe on the opposite ends of the US political spectrum.
NOTE: That is US spectrum, not the complete spectrum.
Agreed. And if I could convince the corporate overlords of this I would.
However, my spam provider's system is designed for passthru. I suppose they could design a system to syphon off the emails or duplicate them, but that could be done by the feds over the wire anyways.
I am far more concerned about lost data than I am the feds on a day to day basis. I could care less about the security of the email when the bosses are willing to accept the risk.
On the other hand lost data could cost me my job. CYA is not pretty, but frankly it's important for my family for me to continue to get a paycheck.
Regardless of anything else, I just have never seen any reason to keep secure, mission critical data in another companies data center. Especially email with all of its legal implications.
SaaS (or cloud or whatever buzzword you want to use) has its place. Spam filtering is a great example. Economies of scale, easy setup, reduced internal overhead. The data that flows through is not stored in any meaningful fashion.
But as soon as you are talking about storing data, you lose me. So many issues, so little time.
Actually, no those costs do NOT have to be norne by anyone.
The fact is you have big pharma releasing verion 223 XL of the exact same drug or something that works 3% better because the want to maintain market dominance and get around patent limits.
If we did not subsidize the R&D so damn much then maybe, just maybe, we would get the drugs we need instead of the same drug over and over again.
Actually CNN had a post on this yesterday. The reason they posted it was because they did an expose' on the gorup last year, and felt there was validation in their actions.
Why Fox picked it up is another matter. Pandering to their audience is SOP for Fox so Ill go with that.
I think you are missing one crucial point. Chinese culture has fostered this exact same system going back 5000 years. The people in China beieve in their hearts that the system works as is the best option despite its flaws (very much like most americans feel capitalism has its flaws). The place value on different things than we do.
Are they right? I dont think so. But then again I have a built in bias towards individual freedom and equaility under the law. someone who grew up in china would have an equally strong belief that having a storng cental gov't provides stability and helps everyone.
The only reason people in China rise up against whomever is controlling them at the time is because the corruption has gotten SO bad that they are unwilling to accept it any more. then, as you said, the new regime comes in and sets up the exact same system.
There are not enough devices out there to make it worth apple going after those who jailbreak the phones. That doesn't make it right or wrong, but just like many things in the business world it boils down to cost benifit analysis.
A similarly themed episode of Teilgith Zone in the 80's had this theme...other than the convienent ending it was a decent episode, especially because I remember it 25+ years later.
Well assuming the memory manager was smart enough to not use the same core as the primary app thread(s),, I'm not sure how it could make things slower. i suppose they could be short sighted and not have the api verify that there IS a free core to use, but since that is the point of the api I would hope they were smart enough to check for that.
Im not going to make a full set of comments, it seems like we have some people in the thread with more tactical expience than me.. But to your point, if there were troops within a few hundred meters of the people, that means they were 'at risk' and thus their desire to engage and kill the people with the 'RPG' was valid.
But that is not what he did. He took the raw data from FB profiles (public ones, not proviate ones) and then used the raw data (not the presentation) to data mine interesting information.
There is NOTHING copyrightable about that raw data. Take a look at the links above for his article on the 'zones' in the US. Its actually quite facinating from a sociological stand point.
My point is simple. FB had no right to threaten copyright on the data. If he had repproduced the pages en masse sure that would be a violation. But the data is NOT.
If they dont appeal I actually think this might have been an intentional act on the part of the Obama Justice dept to undermine the Bush Doctrine. Makes you wonder if the document that was 'leaked accidentily' was put in there on purpose.
Think about it. If Obama had just said he was stopping the program, anyone could have restarted it in the future. But by sabotaging the program and ensuring its demise they actually fixed the problem permanently. Especially if they dont appeal.
Or they could be just as power hungry as Bush and lost to a reasonable judge.
You have a valid point about #1, that is a matter of law as I am not sure what consitutes a valid license on the use of information which is in no way limited in its availability. The problem is that even if it violates the ToS, you dont have to accept the ToS to see that data.
The second part is just wrong. Answering a question in a creative amusing or entertaining manner is not a creative work. Its an answer to a question.
There is no copyright on informaiton. if he had reprocued the entire site you might have an argument. But this is raw data. words and numbers.
If you have a list of sex offenders in your area on your website, and I go to the web site and cut and paste the list, that is not copyrighted material (or any list really).
If you have a poem on your website, that can be copyrighted.
See now this is a great example of some good source. At least good enough to start a reasonable debate on the subject.
The 1st two instances were in 2002 the last in 2005. I did some further reasearch (limited time, sorry) and found one other article from 2010).
In 2 of the instances, the school board sided with the parents. In the other 2 it appeared that the issue was with a singular administrator rather than a systemic issue.
Assuming even 99 out of 100 instances of this activity goes unreported (I would be shocked it it were that high, the media loves any sotry which will get people up in arms), you are talking about 400 instances in 8 years.
Overall that is not horrible percentage. Now that said, it is obviously problematic that there is no oversight above the district level, but the education system in the US does not promote that sort of centralization. It never has. Schools are a locallly controlled institution.
While such localization is a huge issue from the standpoint of consistancy, it also means that you have a much smaller chance of a nationwide pandemic of kids getting through graduation with law suits.
the best you can do in these cases (and in the case in the article above) is deal with the localized problem and try to fix it locally.
I'm not doubting that it happens, I am doubting that it is a systemic policy issue and not a issue of some bad administrators/parents.
It is also possible that the parents have a point about the teachers not doing a good job with their child. Due to low pay and low rewards, the schools are spo desperate that any doofus with a BA can teach in some districts.
In general I tend to be very pro teacher (although anti teacher union) and very pro education (in a real sense, not in the Texas school board kind of way). All I'm saying is that before you take your own experiences and expect the rest of us to assume it is nationwide you could provide some concrete evidence.
Anecdotal evidence doesnt mean squat except as an anecdote.
We as people give up control of certain functions to the government. The control is given in a semi-voluntary fashion (unless your one of the founders of the government). As such the right to dissent against the rules and laws of the government is heightened from a privilege to a basic human right.
Without this right the government can impose undue hardship and often devolves into totalitarian rules, regardless of where it started (Chavez says hi).
As a race(human) we have decided in the last 75 years to highlight and spread the gospel of basic human rights for all people, across cultural and national borders. It is true we do not have a vote in another country but other impacts from such crusading are tangible and can cause change. It depends on a lot of factors, but it can happen.
This is how someone can come to the conclusion that regardless of local law or culture, censorship is a human rights issue.
I am not saying I agree with this 100%,(I have given it some thought and there is a great deal of merit in the premise). I am just saying that your blanket statement is not accurate and does not address the nuances of the issue.
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you cant assume they were just going for weapons. It was not like the helo could not tail them. The unit in quesiton was NOT under fire, there was no reason not to loiter until you could confirm the intentions. I have seen other videos where they did just that. Loiter on scene until the got confirmation, then take them out.
I am not saying I dont understand the itchy trigger finger or how people can overreact in hot combat. I'm just saying that I dont see evidence of the kind of urgency that would make a quick reation like this understandable. This was calculated and intentional. Was it criminal. Maybe. Should it have been released when it occured so as to not appear like you were covering stuff up DEFINATELY.
If this guy goes to prison, I will be the 1st one in line to thank him for his service to the country. As a Vet and citizen I want people who sacrifice for their country in ANY fashion to know they are appreciated.
horse shit. I trust wikileaks to make the judgement on those sorts of things far better than the government.
not to mention that you could only print articles yo ureally wanted. I would not personally ever do it, but I could see it for the paper adicts I know.
What bar does ladies night any more? It has been a while since I was in school and I dont go to yuppy bars, but I ave not noticed an add for a ladies night in print or on the radio in years. And lets face it, none of the people on alsashdot have a social life anyways...
Norway has also done a very good job of investment of its oil resources. But as was pointed out above, they had a stable government with minimial corruption before the oil was found.
It is much more likely the Afgans will end up like the Nigerians than Norway.
To expand on this, do some research on how much power California and Texas both have in determining the content of textbooks in the US. My understanding is that between the two of them they can pretty much write the book (literally) for the rest of the states. The only thing we have going for us is that they ARe on the opposite ends of the US political spectrum.
NOTE: That is US spectrum, not the complete spectrum.
Agreed. And if I could convince the corporate overlords of this I would.
However, my spam provider's system is designed for passthru. I suppose they could design a system to syphon off the emails or duplicate them, but that could be done by the feds over the wire anyways.
I am far more concerned about lost data than I am the feds on a day to day basis. I could care less about the security of the email when the bosses are willing to accept the risk.
On the other hand lost data could cost me my job. CYA is not pretty, but frankly it's important for my family for me to continue to get a paycheck.
when they pry it from my cold dead hands.
Regardless of anything else, I just have never seen any reason to keep secure, mission critical data in another companies data center. Especially email with all of its legal implications.
SaaS (or cloud or whatever buzzword you want to use) has its place. Spam filtering is a great example. Economies of scale, easy setup, reduced internal overhead. The data that flows through is not stored in any meaningful fashion.
But as soon as you are talking about storing data, you lose me. So many issues, so little time.
Actually, no those costs do NOT have to be norne by anyone.
The fact is you have big pharma releasing verion 223 XL of the exact same drug or something that works 3% better because the want to maintain market dominance and get around patent limits.
If we did not subsidize the R&D so damn much then maybe, just maybe, we would get the drugs we need instead of the same drug over and over again.
Well I hope your not hispanic in Arizona then...
Actually CNN had a post on this yesterday. The reason they posted it was because they did an expose' on the gorup last year, and felt there was validation in their actions.
Why Fox picked it up is another matter. Pandering to their audience is SOP for Fox so Ill go with that.
I think you are missing one crucial point. Chinese culture has fostered this exact same system going back 5000 years. The people in China beieve in their hearts that the system works as is the best option despite its flaws (very much like most americans feel capitalism has its flaws). The place value on different things than we do.
Are they right? I dont think so. But then again I have a built in bias towards individual freedom and equaility under the law. someone who grew up in china would have an equally strong belief that having a storng cental gov't provides stability and helps everyone.
The only reason people in China rise up against whomever is controlling them at the time is because the corruption has gotten SO bad that they are unwilling to accept it any more. then, as you said, the new regime comes in and sets up the exact same system.
There are not enough devices out there to make it worth apple going after those who jailbreak the phones. That doesn't make it right or wrong, but just like many things in the business world it boils down to cost benifit analysis.
A similarly themed episode of Teilgith Zone in the 80's had this theme...other than the convienent ending it was a decent episode, especially because I remember it 25+ years later.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Matter_of_Minutes
No. The reason why is obvious. The judge has someone else to sort through his mail. He probably has to read his emails himself.
Obviously since the judge himself was bothered its comtempt. /bitter
Well assuming the memory manager was smart enough to not use the same core as the primary app thread(s),, I'm not sure how it could make things slower. i suppose they could be short sighted and not have the api verify that there IS a free core to use, but since that is the point of the api I would hope they were smart enough to check for that.
Im not going to make a full set of comments, it seems like we have some people in the thread with more tactical expience than me.. But to your point, if there were troops within a few hundred meters of the people, that means they were 'at risk' and thus their desire to engage and kill the people with the 'RPG' was valid.
War is sad.
You are absolutely correct.
But that is not what he did. He took the raw data from FB profiles (public ones, not proviate ones) and then used the raw data (not the presentation) to data mine interesting information.
There is NOTHING copyrightable about that raw data. Take a look at the links above for his article on the 'zones' in the US. Its actually quite facinating from a sociological stand point.
My point is simple. FB had no right to threaten copyright on the data. If he had repproduced the pages en masse sure that would be a violation. But the data is NOT.
If they dont appeal I actually think this might have been an intentional act on the part of the Obama Justice dept to undermine the Bush Doctrine. Makes you wonder if the document that was 'leaked accidentily' was put in there on purpose.
Think about it. If Obama had just said he was stopping the program, anyone could have restarted it in the future. But by sabotaging the program and ensuring its demise they actually fixed the problem permanently. Especially if they dont appeal.
Or they could be just as power hungry as Bush and lost to a reasonable judge.
We will probably never know.
You have a valid point about #1, that is a matter of law as I am not sure what consitutes a valid license on the use of information which is in no way limited in its availability. The problem is that even if it violates the ToS, you dont have to accept the ToS to see that data.
The second part is just wrong. Answering a question in a creative amusing or entertaining manner is not a creative work. Its an answer to a question.
There is no copyright on informaiton. if he had reprocued the entire site you might have an argument. But this is raw data. words and numbers.
If you have a list of sex offenders in your area on your website, and I go to the web site and cut and paste the list, that is not copyrighted material (or any list really).
If you have a poem on your website, that can be copyrighted.
See now this is a great example of some good source. At least good enough to start a reasonable debate on the subject.
The 1st two instances were in 2002 the last in 2005. I did some further reasearch (limited time, sorry) and found one other article from 2010).
In 2 of the instances, the school board sided with the parents. In the other 2 it appeared that the issue was with a singular administrator rather than a systemic issue.
Assuming even 99 out of 100 instances of this activity goes unreported (I would be shocked it it were that high, the media loves any sotry which will get people up in arms), you are talking about 400 instances in 8 years.
Overall that is not horrible percentage. Now that said, it is obviously problematic that there is no oversight above the district level, but the education system in the US does not promote that sort of centralization. It never has. Schools are a locallly controlled institution.
While such localization is a huge issue from the standpoint of consistancy, it also means that you have a much smaller chance of a nationwide pandemic of kids getting through graduation with law suits.
the best you can do in these cases (and in the case in the article above) is deal with the localized problem and try to fix it locally.
I'm not doubting that it happens, I am doubting that it is a systemic policy issue and not a issue of some bad administrators/parents.
It is also possible that the parents have a point about the teachers not doing a good job with their child. Due to low pay and low rewards, the schools are spo desperate that any doofus with a BA can teach in some districts.
In general I tend to be very pro teacher (although anti teacher union) and very pro education (in a real sense, not in the Texas school board kind of way). All I'm saying is that before you take your own experiences and expect the rest of us to assume it is nationwide you could provide some concrete evidence.
Anecdotal evidence doesnt mean squat except as an anecdote.
A counter argument to this goes as follows.
We as people give up control of certain functions to the government. The control is given in a semi-voluntary fashion (unless your one of the founders of the government). As such the right to dissent against the rules and laws of the government is heightened from a privilege to a basic human right.
Without this right the government can impose undue hardship and often devolves into totalitarian rules, regardless of where it started (Chavez says hi).
As a race(human) we have decided in the last 75 years to highlight and spread the gospel of basic human rights for all people, across cultural and national borders. It is true we do not have a vote in another country but other impacts from such crusading are tangible and can cause change. It depends on a lot of factors, but it can happen.
This is how someone can come to the conclusion that regardless of local law or culture, censorship is a human rights issue.
I am not saying I agree with this 100%,(I have given it some thought and there is a great deal of merit in the premise). I am just saying that your blanket statement is not accurate and does not address the nuances of the issue.