I thought that too, but also, how would the info be effectively distributed to a large area like that and how much time would people have to move out on foot?
No, I'm really curious. I have a vague idea of the area involved and assume that it is very poor and there is not much in the way of communication and transportation infrastructure.
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>why else would perents take children to see santa clause?
I heard Tim Allen was pretty funny in that one.;-)
In general I agree with you, but I have seen my son use the kits to great results. Yes, he does initially build straight from the plans and plays with them and gets bored. Later he comes back and takes it all apart and builds his own creation.
He is a lot like me -- starting at a pile of random bricks kind of stumps him, but if he has a starting point, he can use that as a guide/inspiration to let his own creativity take off. He will spend days tweaking and enhancing one of his creations (coming to show me every so often what he has added/changed).
I kind of am the same way with coding/learning new IT tools. Presented with some manuals and an empty editor screen, I (sometimes) don't know where to start. Give me a hands-on tutorial where I can get something started, and then I can pull it apart and use it as a basis to create something else
People over 35 should be,dead. Here's why........... According to today's regulators and bureaucrats, those of us who were kids in the 40's, 50's, 60's, or even maybe the early 70's probably shouldn't have survived. Our baby cribs were covered with bright colored lead-based paint. We had no childproof lids on medicine bottles, doors or cabinets,... ! and when we rode our bikes, we had no helmets. (Not to mention the risks we took hitchhiking.) As children, we would ride in cars with no seatbelts or air bags. Riding in the back of a pickup truck on a warm day was always a special treat. We drank water from the garden hose and not from a bottle.
Horrors! We ate cupcakes, bread and butter, and drank soda pop with sugar in it, but we were never overweight because we were always outside playing. We shared one soft drink with four friends, from one bottle, and no one actually died from this. We would spend hours building our go-carts out of scraps and then rode down the hill, only to find out we forgot the brakes. After running into the bushes a few times, we learned to solve the problem. We would leave home in the morning and play all day, as long as we were back when the! street lights came on. No one was able to reach us all day.
NO CELL PHONES!!!!!
U n t h i n k a b l e ! We did not have Playstations, Nintendo 64! , X-Boxes, no video games at all, no 99 channels on cable, video tape movies, surround sound, personal cell phones, personal computers, or Internet chat rooms.
We had friends! We went outside and found them.We played dodge ball, and sometimes, the ball would really hurt.We fell out of trees, got cut and broke bones and teeth, and there were no lawsuits from these accidents.
They were accidents. No one was to blame but us.
Remember accidents? We had fights and punched each other and got black and blue and learned to get over it.We made up games with sticks and tennis balls and ate worms, and although we were told it would happen,we did not put out very many eyes, nor did the worms live inside us forever. We rode bikes or walked to a friend's home and knocked on the door, or rang the bell or just walked in and talked to them. Little League had tryouts and not everyone made the team. Those who didn't had to learn to deal with disappointment. Some students weren't as smart as others, so they failed a grade and were held back to repeat the same grade.
Horrors! Tests were not adjusted for any reason. Our actions were our own. Consequences were expected. The idea of a parent bailing us out if we broke a law was unheard of. They actually sided with the law.
Imagine that! This generation has produced some of the best risk-takers and problem solvers and inventors, ever. The past 50 years have been an explosion of innovation and new ideas. We had freedom, failure, success and responsibility, and we learned how to deal with it all.
1. george w bush
2. janet jackson
3. john kerry
4. britney spears
5. saddam hussein
6. kobe bryant
7. michael jackson
8. angelina jolie
9. martha stewart
10. clay aiken
ManI don't know which disturbs me more, that janet got more searches than kerry, or that gw got more than janet?
Yahoo mail also has the option to block html/images from all mail, but then provides a link to 'show html images' (can't remember the last time I actually wanted to see anything other than text in an email)
I always see replies to my comments by logged in users.;-)
I'm sure you're right, but I wonder if the cops on the scene knew that? (though I think at least one of the tracks _did_ break when he ran up on the divider).
I've read that cops get a sort of tunnel-vision when involved in a chase that tends to narrow their decision process. I'm sure at that point they had been following him for a while powerless to do anything to stop him. When they got the opportunity to open the hatch while it was stuck, they wanted to end it as quickly as possible (not that killing him outright was the best solution, in hindsight).
I've also wondered if they could have disabled him with a non-lethal shot (I'm guessing the driver's compartment is pretty cramped, maybe not).
>not the ones with the detailed plans but the random parts
In general I agree with you, but I have seen my son use the kits to great results. Yes, he does initially build straight from the plans and plays with them and gets bored. Later he comes back and takes it all apart and builds his own creation.
He is a lot like me -- starting at a pile of random bricks kind of stumps him, but if he has a starting point, he can use that as a guide/inspiration to let his own creativity take off. He will spend days tweaking and enhancing one of his creations (coming to show me every so often what he has added/changed).
I kind of am the same way with coding/learning new IT tools. Presented with some manuals and an empty editor screen, I don't know where to start. Give me a hands-on tutorial where I can get something started, and then I can pull it apart and use it as a basis to create something else.
Well, I guess they felt had to use deadly force to stop him. He was ordered to come out of the tank -- instead, he started gunning the engine to try to free himself/topple the cops off. Gun or no, he was a serious threat to public safety. He had smashed cars, run over stuff, generally went on a rampage of destruction without concern for anyone's life, not even his own apparently (he was given the opportunity to surrender).
>I don't think being in a tank in itself really justifies murder
It wasn't just being it a tank that was the issue. It was driving it through residential streets smashing cars, houses, streetlights, etc that was the problem.
> looking at the facts here it suggests the easiest way to stop him was to shoot him
From what I remember, the cops had no real way to stop him from continuing on and possibly killing someone (especially if he managed to get across the median and into oncoming traffic). Short of some anti-tanks weapon (that the cops don't have), how could they stop him if he somehow got going again.
Once he was hung up on the median, their only choices were to either get him to surrender or kill/disable him. I'm sure the officer would have preferred to have him come out on his own instead of having to haul out his body.
wasn't there supposed to be some technology by now that would harvest energy from the differential in salinity/temperature between different depths of sea water? Or is that on a larger scale than would be practical with a submersible?
God - never ceases to amaze me how there are people with enough time on their hands to register an account and then use it to reply to every post saying 'you must be new here'.
not quite -- he gave the pedestrian bridge a few nudges, trying to knock it down, got stuck briefly, but then got back on the road. It was when he decided he would jump the median and harass oncoming traffic that he became stuck, and as you say, trapped waiting for SWAT to come in side his armored cell. They ended up shooting him inside the tank and dragging his body out, IIRC.
As far as being a dumbass, I seem to remember that he has some mental problems and was drinking at the time of the incident.
I can't seem to find a decent link to the story, but I know I've seen this on one of those discovery channel cop chase shows.
While in pursuit of a stolen Army tank, Officers Piner and Paxton and Detective LaBore stayed close to the vehicle while formulating a plan to stop it. Despite the potential danger of being shot by the tanks weaponry, or being run over by the vehicle, the officers swarmed the tank as it became temporarily stuck on a freeway divider. Officer Paxton opened the hatch to the tank and the officers ordered the suspect to surrender. Instead, the suspect tried to lurch the tank forward to throw the officers off. Officer Piner was forced to shoot the suspect to end the standoff.
They have a seven year deal with amdocs that started in 2002 -- Sprint was a customer of ours and left to dox only to come back after they apparently were very unhappy. Hmm, will be interesting to see what they end up doing.
I lost touch with guys I knew that left here to go to Nextel (mostly consulting). I though I remembered they were using Kenan (before Lucent got their grimy mits on it). What did they go to, dox?
Well, this could torpedo my company. We provide oursourced (no, not offshore) billing and customer care operations for wireless carriers. We are in the process of losing AT&T to competitors that serve Cingular, and now we will probably lose Sprint.
well put. I know everyone's heard it before -- I spotted the typo in the summary first thing and it reminded me of the bread/statistice thing so I googled and found it and copy/pasted (with attribution) under the first reply pointing out the typo.
I've done a little research, and what I've discovered should make anyone think twice....
- More than 98 percent of convicted felons are bread users.
- Fully HALF of all children who grow up in bread-consuming households score below average on standardized tests.
- In the 18th century, when virtually all bread was baked in the home, the average life expectancy was less than 50 years; infant mortality rates were unacceptably high; many women died in childbirth; and diseases such as typhoid,yellow fever, and influenza ravaged whole nations.
- More than 90 percent of violent crimes are committed within 24 hours of eating bread.
- Bread is made from a substance called "dough." It has been proven that as little as one pound of dough can be used to suffocate a mouse. The average American eats more bread than that in one month!
- Primitive tribal societies that have no bread exhibit a low incidence of cancer, Alzheimer's, Parkinson's disease, and osteoporosis.
- Bread has been proven to be addictive. Subjects deprived of bread and given only water to eat begged for bread after as little as two days.
- Bread is often a "gateway" food item, leading the user to "harder" items such as butter, jelly, peanut butter, and even cold cuts.
- Bread has been proven to absorb water. Since the human body is more than 80 percent water, it follows that eating bread could lead to your body being taken over by this absorptive food product, turning you into a soggy, gooey bread-pudding person.
- Newborn babies can choke on bread.
- Bread is baked at temperatures as high as 400 degrees Fahrenheit! That kind of heat can kill an adult in less than one minute.
- Most bread eaters are utterly unable to distinguish between significant scientific fact and meaningless statistical babbling.
In light of these frightening statistics, we propose the following bread restrictions:
- No sale of bread to minors.
- A nationwide "Just Say No To Toast" campaign, complete with celebrity TV spots and bumper stickers.
- A 300 percent federal tax on all bread to pay for all the societal ills we might associate with bread.
- No animal or human images, nor any primary colors (which may appeal to children) may be used to promote bread usage.
- The establishment of "Bread-free" zones around schools.
Actually, CNN was running a story a week ago or so (You know, that technology news dweeb they have with the spiked hair and black horn-rimed glasses and a stupid smirk).
The first time I caught it was on headline news. I was not very impressed and was waiting for the words "Internet Explorer" and "alterate browsers" to make an appearance. nope.
But then they ran the same story on the "American Morning" regular CNN and they actually had him live in addition to his taped segment. He was asked what you can do and he did actually say "Mozilla Firefox" to which Daryn Kagan gave him a blank look and repeated "Mozilla Firefox?". He actually gave out www.mozilla.org and Daryn shrugged (like I'm going to go to some website looking for somthing I never heard of before).
Bill Hemmer seemed to know what he was talking about, though.
Not a whole lot different from that girl sitting across the table. She put tissue paper in her bra and is eating daintily to give you the best impression. That way the guy will think he is with a girl that has big breasts and keeps her figure by eating light, when instead she has small breasts and would otherwise eat enough to choke a goat.
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I thought that too, but also, how would the info be effectively distributed to a large area like that and how much time would people have to move out on foot?
No, I'm really curious. I have a vague idea of the area involved and assume that it is very poor and there is not much in the way of communication and transportation infrastructure.
>why else would perents take children to see santa clause?
;-)
I heard Tim Allen was pretty funny in that one.
I'm repeating a comment I made a while back, but
In general I agree with you, but I have seen my son use the kits to great results. Yes, he does initially build straight from the plans and plays with them and gets bored. Later he comes back and takes it all apart and builds his own creation.
He is a lot like me -- starting at a pile of random bricks kind of stumps him, but if he has a starting point, he can use that as a guide/inspiration to let his own creativity take off. He will spend days tweaking and enhancing one of his creations (coming to show me every so often what he has added/changed).
I kind of am the same way with coding/learning new IT tools. Presented with some manuals and an empty editor screen, I (sometimes) don't know where to start. Give me a hands-on tutorial where I can get something started, and then I can pull it apart and use it as a basis to create something else
People over 35 should be,dead. Here's why ........... ... ! and when we rode our bikes, we had no helmets.
According to today's regulators and bureaucrats, those of us who were kids in the 40's, 50's, 60's, or even maybe the early 70's probably
shouldn't have survived.
Our baby cribs were covered with bright colored lead-based paint.
We had no childproof lids on medicine bottles, doors or cabinets,
(Not to mention the risks we took hitchhiking.)
As children, we would ride in cars with no seatbelts or air bags.
Riding in the back of a pickup truck on a warm day was always a special treat.
We drank water from the garden hose and not from a bottle.
Horrors!
We ate cupcakes, bread and butter, and drank soda pop with sugar in it, but we were never overweight because we were always outside playing.
We shared one soft drink with four friends, from one bottle, and no one actually died from this.
We would spend hours building our go-carts out of scraps and then rode down the hill, only to find out we forgot the brakes. After running into the bushes a few times, we learned to solve the problem.
We would leave home in the morning and play all day, as long as we were back when the! street lights came on.
No one was able to reach us all day.
NO CELL PHONES!!!!!
U n t h i n k a b l e !
We did not have Playstations, Nintendo 64! , X-Boxes, no video games at all, no 99 channels on cable, video tape movies, surround sound, personal cell phones, personal computers, or Internet chat rooms.
We had friends!
We went outside and found them.We played dodge ball, and sometimes, the ball would really hurt.We fell out of trees, got cut and broke bones and teeth, and there were no lawsuits from these accidents.
They were accidents.
No one was to blame but us.
Remember accidents?
We had fights and punched each other and got black and blue and learned to get over it.We made up games with sticks and tennis balls and ate worms, and although we were told it would happen,we did not put out very many eyes, nor did the worms live inside us forever.
We rode bikes or walked to a friend's home and knocked on the door, or rang the bell or just walked in and talked to them. Little League had tryouts and not everyone made the team. Those who didn't had to learn to deal with disappointment.
Some students weren't as smart as others, so they failed a grade and were held back to repeat the same grade.
Horrors!
Tests were not adjusted for any reason. Our actions were our own.
Consequences were expected. The idea of a parent bailing us out if we broke a law was unheard of. They actually sided with the law.
Imagine that!
This generation has produced some of the best risk-takers and problem solvers and inventors, ever.
The past 50 years have been an explosion of innovation and new ideas.
We had freedom, failure, success and responsibility, and we learned how to deal with it all.
Top Public Figures
2004
1. george w bush
2. janet jackson
3. john kerry
4. britney spears
5. saddam hussein
6. kobe bryant
7. michael jackson
8. angelina jolie
9. martha stewart
10. clay aiken
ManI don't know which disturbs me more, that janet got more searches than kerry, or that gw got more than janet?
>an election is quite an appalling test
no argument there -- my comment was not intended as an endorsement of the system, merely pointing out a fact.
>You ought to have to pass a test to be a legislator, judge,
yes. it's called an election
well, if you ask Chevy Chase...
Yahoo mail also has the option to block html/images from all mail, but then provides a link to 'show html images' (can't remember the last time I actually wanted to see anything other than text in an email)
> I know this isn't going to be seen
;-)
I always see replies to my comments by logged in users.
I'm sure you're right, but I wonder if the cops on the scene knew that? (though I think at least one of the tracks _did_ break when he ran up on the divider).
I've read that cops get a sort of tunnel-vision when involved in a chase that tends to narrow their decision process. I'm sure at that point they had been following him for a while powerless to do anything to stop him. When they got the opportunity to open the hatch while it was stuck, they wanted to end it as quickly as possible (not that killing him outright was the best solution, in hindsight).
I've also wondered if they could have disabled him with a non-lethal shot (I'm guessing the driver's compartment is pretty cramped, maybe not).
>not the ones with the detailed plans but the random parts
In general I agree with you, but I have seen my son use the kits to great results. Yes, he does initially build straight from the plans and plays with them and gets bored. Later he comes back and takes it all apart and builds his own creation.
He is a lot like me -- starting at a pile of random bricks kind of stumps him, but if he has a starting point, he can use that as a guide/inspiration to let his own creativity take off. He will spend days tweaking and enhancing one of his creations (coming to show me every so often what he has added/changed).
I kind of am the same way with coding/learning new IT tools. Presented with some manuals and an empty editor screen, I don't know where to start. Give me a hands-on tutorial where I can get something started, and then I can pull it apart and use it as a basis to create something else.
oh yeah, they gonna be som's bitch!
I heard the new prisioner initiation now is no longer gang rape -- you get to 'toss salad' on bubba, using either jelly or syrup.
Personally, I likes the Syrup!
Why don't you just have them give your oral?
Cause when you sukin' dick, you can pretend its somethin' else...
When you eatin' ass, you knows you eatin ass!
*apologies to Chris Rock
Well, I guess they felt had to use deadly force to stop him. He was ordered to come out of the tank -- instead, he started gunning the engine to try to free himself/topple the cops off. Gun or no, he was a serious threat to public safety. He had smashed cars, run over stuff, generally went on a rampage of destruction without concern for anyone's life, not even his own apparently (he was given the opportunity to surrender).
>I don't think being in a tank in itself really justifies murder
It wasn't just being it a tank that was the issue. It was driving it through residential streets smashing cars, houses, streetlights, etc that was the problem.
> looking at the facts here it suggests the easiest way to stop him was to shoot him
From what I remember, the cops had no real way to stop him from continuing on and possibly killing someone (especially if he managed to get across the median and into oncoming traffic). Short of some anti-tanks weapon (that the cops don't have), how could they stop him if he somehow got going again.
Once he was hung up on the median, their only choices were to either get him to surrender or kill/disable him. I'm sure the officer would have preferred to have him come out on his own instead of having to haul out his body.
wasn't there supposed to be some technology by now that would harvest energy from the differential in salinity/temperature between different depths of sea water? Or is that on a larger scale than would be practical with a submersible?
God - never ceases to amaze me how there are people with enough time on their hands to register an account and then use it to reply to every post saying 'you must be new here'.
>getting himself wedged between the pillars
t m
not quite -- he gave the pedestrian bridge a few nudges, trying to knock it down, got stuck briefly, but then got back on the road. It was when he decided he would jump the median and harass oncoming traffic that he became stuck, and as you say, trapped waiting for SWAT to come in side his armored cell. They ended up shooting him inside the tank and dragging his body out, IIRC.
As far as being a dumbass, I seem to remember that he has some mental problems and was drinking at the time of the incident.
I can't seem to find a decent link to the story, but I know I've seen this on one of those discovery channel cop chase shows.
this is the only thing I found...
http://www.sdpolicemuseum.com/medalofvalorpage2.h
While in pursuit of a stolen Army tank, Officers Piner and Paxton and
Detective LaBore stayed close to the vehicle while formulating a plan to
stop it. Despite the potential danger of being shot by the tanks weaponry,
or being run over by the vehicle, the officers swarmed the tank as it became
temporarily stuck on a freeway divider. Officer Paxton opened the hatch to
the tank and the officers ordered the suspect to surrender. Instead, the
suspect tried to lurch the tank forward to throw the officers off. Officer
Piner was forced to shoot the suspect to end the standoff.
*sigh* google, then post, not other way round
http://www.amdocs.com/hotnews.asp?news_id=303
They have a seven year deal with amdocs that started in 2002 -- Sprint was a customer of ours and left to dox only to come back after they apparently were very unhappy. Hmm, will be interesting to see what they end up doing.
I lost touch with guys I knew that left here to go to Nextel (mostly consulting). I though I remembered they were using Kenan (before Lucent got their grimy mits on it). What did they go to, dox?
Well, this could torpedo my company. We provide oursourced (no, not offshore) billing and customer care operations for wireless carriers. We are in the process of losing AT&T to competitors that serve Cingular, and now we will probably lose Sprint.
Time to dust off the resume again.
well put. I know everyone's heard it before -- I spotted the typo in the summary first thing and it reminded me of the bread/statistice thing so I googled and found it and copy/pasted (with attribution) under the first reply pointing out the typo.
karma be damned
75% !! bread is evil and must be stopped...
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I've done a little research, and what I've discovered should make anyone think twice....
- More than 98 percent of convicted felons are bread users.
- Fully HALF of all children who grow up in bread-consuming households score below average on standardized tests.
- In the 18th century, when virtually all bread was baked in the home, the average life expectancy was less than 50 years; infant mortality rates were unacceptably high; many women died in childbirth; and diseases such as typhoid,yellow fever, and influenza ravaged whole nations.
- More than 90 percent of violent crimes are committed within 24 hours of eating bread.
- Bread is made from a substance called "dough." It has been proven that as little as one pound of dough can be used to suffocate a mouse. The average American eats more bread than that in one month!
- Primitive tribal societies that have no bread exhibit a low incidence of cancer, Alzheimer's, Parkinson's disease, and osteoporosis.
- Bread has been proven to be addictive. Subjects deprived of bread and given only water to eat begged for bread after as little as two days.
- Bread is often a "gateway" food item, leading the user to "harder" items such as butter, jelly, peanut butter, and even cold cuts.
- Bread has been proven to absorb water. Since the human body is more than 80 percent water, it follows that eating bread could lead to your body being taken over by this absorptive food product, turning you into a soggy, gooey bread-pudding person.
- Newborn babies can choke on bread.
- Bread is baked at temperatures as high as 400 degrees Fahrenheit! That kind of heat can kill an adult in less than one minute.
- Most bread eaters are utterly unable to distinguish between significant scientific fact and meaningless statistical babbling.
In light of these frightening statistics, we propose the following bread restrictions:
- No sale of bread to minors.
- A nationwide "Just Say No To Toast" campaign, complete with celebrity TV spots and bumper stickers.
- A 300 percent federal tax on all bread to pay for all the societal ills we might associate with bread.
- No animal or human images, nor any primary colors (which may appeal to children) may be used to promote bread usage.
- The establishment of "Bread-free" zones around schools.
http://www.obnoxiousfumes.com/archives/000376.htm
my 'n' key was taking a break, ok?
:-p
maybe I should have previewed, oh wait...
Actually, CNN was running a story a week ago or so (You know, that technology news dweeb they have with the spiked hair and black horn-rimed glasses and a stupid smirk).
The first time I caught it was on headline news. I was not very impressed and was waiting for the words "Internet Explorer" and "alterate browsers" to make an appearance. nope.
But then they ran the same story on the "American Morning" regular CNN and they actually had him live in addition to his taped segment. He was asked what you can do and he did actually say "Mozilla Firefox" to which Daryn Kagan gave him a blank look and repeated "Mozilla Firefox?". He actually gave out www.mozilla.org and Daryn shrugged (like I'm going to go to some website looking for somthing I never heard of before).
Bill Hemmer seemed to know what he was talking about, though.
Not a whole lot different from that girl sitting across the table. She put tissue paper in her bra and is eating daintily to give you the best impression. That way the guy will think he is with a girl that has big breasts and keeps her figure by eating light, when instead she has small breasts and would otherwise eat enough to choke a goat.