They know this before, during, and after the point of sale
What they also know is that the current law makes the act of copying the CD illegal, and they can sue you if you do it.
You can't then say that they knew you had the technical ability to share it, and therefore they should not have sold it if they didn't want the sharing to occur. (Well, actually you can say it, but..)
At the time of the sale, there was a law in place designed to prevent copying of the CD. The seller and buyer both knew that and entered into the agreement knowingly. If the law did not exist then the seller probably would not have entered into the agreement. If the buyer does not want to abide by the law, then they should not enter into the agreement.
If society wants to ditch that law, then all well and good, but the existence of the law does influence the decisions of the CD producers, and the removal of that law will almost certainly cause a change in their behaviour such that the number of CDs for sale will dramatically reduce.
If that's what society wants, then lets go for it. I'm happy with it. Most of the musicians I like make almost no money from the current system anyway, so I'm happy with it changing.
The reality is, the "creative" (and I use the term loosely) works being produced in society at the moment are tied in some way to the current law. Society has offered an arrangement to them - effectively we've said that if they will sell copies of their work at a low per unit price, we will make every effort to prevent those copies from being duplicated.
If we don't like that arrangement (any more) then let's withdraw it - but it's one way or the other. Either we keep the arrangement and we enforce our end of it, or we scrap the arrangement and accept the resulting impact on the production of creative works.
I would assume they would expect a project to be "established" or large enough
Depend which "they" you mean.
Mutual Obligation can be fulfiled in a few ways. There are 2 that are primarily relevant to this program
Training (i.e. Gain skills so you can get off welfare)
Community Service (give something back in return for your welfare
The government will require that 1 of those two are met. If CC.org can demonstrate that your front end to CDRecord was "training" then they'll be happy with that.
Whether the "mentors" at CC.org will want to devote their time to helping you with that is another matter.
Also, at this point I'm not sure whether CC.org will be approved to provide training for #1. It is being promoted as #2.
But in spite of that, I doubt the government will know enough to care. If CC.org says "these people helped our community organisation", then CentreLink will sign off on it.
Huh?
Which bit of his comment was "wrong"?
He didn't see an article? The article didn't say CS had an increase? Or is that we won't be able to figure this out?
Just because you disagree with the article he linked to doesn't make him "wrong". Everything in his comment is perfectly correct (except maybe the "we can figure this out" bit, that's a bit unrealistic for/.)
And if you want to dispute the facts at least provide a link - it's not often I trust the word of an AC.
I had been working part time in a small software development company for a couple of years.
Over that time most of the other employees had gone from working on our main product to be contracted out to other firms. In the end I was the only one left working on our software, and we had a beta of the next version finished.
It was about January and I wanted to work out what I was doing for the next year. My boss told me that it would be pretty much the same as last year, which meant not enough money to live on properly (it was part time work). So I went looking for a full time job.
My boss knew I was looking, and after I'd had a couple of interviews, he asked me to stick around for 2 months to finish up what I'd been working on, and that he'd match whatever my I'd be getting elsewhere.
In other words, now that it was going to be a problem for him, there was money to spend, but before that, when I needed the money, it wasn't there.
In the end I gave him 1 month (I was only obligated to give 2 weeks), mostly because I felt that created a better impression for my new employer - that I was willing to do "the right thing" by my employer, but within reason. (I also enjoyed my job and wanted to see the piece I was working on get finished)
It's pretty clear to me.
Google want to provide every service anyone needs. GMail, GNews (groups), GCalendar, GHTMLEditor, etc.
For that they need everyone to have a web browser (FF) but they're much better off if no one has a mail client, news reader, etc.
It's fairly clear - the internet only needs HTML, Google can provide everything else for you.
I believe it is considered free by Debian (and their guidelines formed the OSI guideliens)
The OSI hasn't certified the original BSD, but I believe that is primarily due to the fact that it was replaced by the new BSB before their certified list came out. They do accept other "advertising" licenses.
They'll probably trademark the term "open source"
That was their original intention when OSI was started, but they found that the name was too generic.
Which is true if you look at time, but probably not if you look at causality. It's very likely the people who invented SmallTalk didn't even know about Simula, or realized that it was "object-oriented".
It's true on both time and causality.
Alan says so himself here
For another, I'm assuming you get some kind of click through EULA. This makes it a contract, not a license, since they've obtained your consent to all those crazy restrictions.
Which creates some interesting side-effects.
There are only a very limited number of outcomes that can result from a contract breach. Termination of rights affored by the contract, damages for lost income, one or two others.
So, if you break your EULA then Apple can do a couple of things. They can remove your right to perform the acts afforded by the EULA, and they could sue you for lost income. But since your right to listen to the music falls under fair use, and does not require the EULA it could be argued that apple can't stop you listening to the music (although you could not longer legally copy it..).
I suspect the courts won't see it that way thought.
If I want to photocopy a whole book I own and make myself pajamas out of the pages, gues what? I get to!
Strictly speaking that's not true. Copyright includes the right of making copies, so your photo copy is illegal. You'd have to use the original pages for your pajamas.
Because he can relate complex philosophical issues in terms that his audience can understand, wheras board members are required to ramble on incomprehensibly and then threaten to sue people?
I went cold turkey, and was a serious PITA for about a month, but it was worth it.
However, I saw the signs of my addiction early and decided to stop it before it got out of hand. I was drinking a couple of sodas a day (and maybe a coffee on top) and if I didn't get my hit at 3 in the afteroon I got the shakes.
So one day I decided that enough was enough and just stopped drinking it. A year later I decided I was safe, and had a drink. One glass of coke makes me bounce off the walls. It's great:)
Although they probably want to see "Object Oriented Design" in there somewhere.
How about:
"10 years of experience in the full software development lifecycle, using object oriented analysis and design to produce enterprise systems using the Java programming language on Windows and Unix (Sun Solaris/AIX/HP-UX/Linux) platforms."
Once upon a time it was easy, we could just say "I'm in IT" and people would ask us to come interview. sigh.
That's not the sort of thing my boss says. He wants something which works, and he wants it in the next week. So I use VB.
Well, I never claimed it was for everyone.
Most of the time my users want 5+ year investments. Having something that is gonig to grow with their business, and reliably solve problems for them in that time is (usually) priority #1.
They want us to spend the time now so that they get a better solution in the lifetime of the business. For us, that means Java.
[Java] isn't ready to be used for anything with a GUI
*shrug*, it works for us.
We've switched almost entirely from Powerbuilder to Java, including writing fairly rich GUIs in it. (I personally think the Java GUIs look and feel better than the PB ones).
The big issue with Java GUIs is that it's almost impossible to do them in a "knock-up" way, (something that VB, PB and the like are good at).
People try it, and then end up with junk and blame it on the tool. It's true that if you want to throw a GUI together as cheaply and easily as possible, then Java isn't the right tool, but if you want to put together a GUI that fits into a well designed system, then swing works just fine.
As Gosling recently said,
"One of the design principles behind Java is that I don't care much about how long it takes to slap together something that kind of works. The real measure is how long it takes to write something solid."
The suggestion isn't to just trust all signed files, but to trust files signed by known maintainers. That way (e.g.) the monkeys.com file could be distributed without needing for monkeys.com to be up.
The problem with that is that if the spammers know that Ron @ monekys.com is sending the file out each week, then they can DDOS his business to force him to stop.
So what needs to happen is for a number of well known anti-spammers to get together a publish a joint statement saying that they support the validity of any files signed by key "..." - but no one person/business is actually identified as being the producer of the files signed by that key.
Although those people would still be taking a risk by making that statement, once the system gets going, their support is no longer required as the system itself will be trusted, and they can officially back off from it. - i.e. People trust Ron@Monkeys.com because of the work he has done, eventually they will trust maintainer@distributed-blacklist.net without ever needing to know the individual(s) involved.
Python is an outstanding programming language, easily heads and shoulders above Java in every respect except raw number-crunching performance and IDE availabilty
There's a large set of "enterprise" features in java (e.g. JTA, JMS) that python doesn't do.
It's not relevant to everyone, but for those that need it, java is way ahead of python.
You can call it the FUD factor, or you can call it the safety factory.
Maybe SUN just thought that paying for an expanded license now was good economics. It's certainly going to be cheaper to buy it now than it would be if (by some bizarre course of events) SCO wins.
Sun claims to be the only Unix vendor still committed to maintaining their unix version. That claim would appear to be more-or-less true. This purchase just looks like an attempt to enforce that committment.
As a Sun customer, this news is a good thing. It means that Sun is working to make sure that nothing gets in the way of their ability to sell/support Solaris. There's a definate comfort in knowing that whatever madness happens in the courts, the effects on our systems will be minimal. Stability is a good thing.
I expect IBM will win against SCO, But if I were an AIX customer, then this court case would be another headache I don't need.
Wow! they solved a problem that pretty much no one had.
They invented 4 new languages (Managed-C++, VB.NET, C# and J#) and made them all talk to each other.
Now I get my development team to all write in completely different languages and still interoperate. I'm yet to see why that is useful...
We don't need more languages. I don't need to have lots of new languages that all talk to other new languages. If it solved the problem of interfacing with legacy code, then I'd be happy, but it doesn't.
MS tries to sell this language independance, but it really isn't a gain to anyone except language bigots.
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What they also know is that the current law makes the act of copying the CD illegal, and they can sue you if you do it.
You can't then say that they knew you had the technical ability to share it, and therefore they should not have sold it if they didn't want the sharing to occur. (Well, actually you can say it, but..)
At the time of the sale, there was a law in place designed to prevent copying of the CD. The seller and buyer both knew that and entered into the agreement knowingly. If the law did not exist then the seller probably would not have entered into the agreement. If the buyer does not want to abide by the law, then they should not enter into the agreement.
If society wants to ditch that law, then all well and good, but the existence of the law does influence the decisions of the CD producers, and the removal of that law will almost certainly cause a change in their behaviour such that the number of CDs for sale will dramatically reduce.
If that's what society wants, then lets go for it. I'm happy with it. Most of the musicians I like make almost no money from the current system anyway, so I'm happy with it changing.
The reality is, the "creative" (and I use the term loosely) works being produced in society at the moment are tied in some way to the current law. Society has offered an arrangement to them - effectively we've said that if they will sell copies of their work at a low per unit price, we will make every effort to prevent those copies from being duplicated.
If we don't like that arrangement (any more) then let's withdraw it - but it's one way or the other. Either we keep the arrangement and we enforce our end of it, or we scrap the arrangement and accept the resulting impact on the production of creative works.
Depend which "they" you mean.
Mutual Obligation can be fulfiled in a few ways. There are 2 that are primarily relevant to this program
The government will require that 1 of those two are met. If CC.org can demonstrate that your front end to CDRecord was "training" then they'll be happy with that.
Whether the "mentors" at CC.org will want to devote their time to helping you with that is another matter.
Also, at this point I'm not sure whether CC.org will be approved to provide training for #1. It is being promoted as #2.
But in spite of that, I doubt the government will know enough to care. If CC.org says "these people helped our community organisation", then CentreLink will sign off on it.
Wrong
Huh?
Which bit of his comment was "wrong"? He didn't see an article? The article didn't say CS had an increase? Or is that we won't be able to figure this out?
Just because you disagree with the article he linked to doesn't make him "wrong". Everything in his comment is perfectly correct (except maybe the "we can figure this out" bit, that's a bit unrealistic for /.)
And if you want to dispute the facts at least provide a link - it's not often I trust the word of an AC.
I had been working part time in a small software development company for a couple of years.
Over that time most of the other employees had gone from working on our main product to be contracted out to other firms. In the end I was the only one left working on our software, and we had a beta of the next version finished.
It was about January and I wanted to work out what I was doing for the next year. My boss told me that it would be pretty much the same as last year, which meant not enough money to live on properly (it was part time work). So I went looking for a full time job.
My boss knew I was looking, and after I'd had a couple of interviews, he asked me to stick around for 2 months to finish up what I'd been working on, and that he'd match whatever my I'd be getting elsewhere.
In other words, now that it was going to be a problem for him, there was money to spend, but before that, when I needed the money, it wasn't there.
In the end I gave him 1 month (I was only obligated to give 2 weeks), mostly because I felt that created a better impression for my new employer - that I was willing to do "the right thing" by my employer, but within reason. (I also enjoyed my job and wanted to see the piece I was working on get finished)
I never saw the extra money.
It's pretty clear to me.
Google want to provide every service anyone needs. GMail, GNews (groups), GCalendar, GHTMLEditor, etc.
For that they need everyone to have a web browser (FF) but they're much better off if no one has a mail client, news reader, etc.
It's fairly clear - the internet only needs HTML, Google can provide everything else for you.
The original BSD license is considered free (but flawed) by the FSF http://www.fsf.org/licensing/licenses/license-list .html#OriginalBSD
I believe it is considered free by Debian (and their guidelines formed the OSI guideliens)
The OSI hasn't certified the original BSD, but I believe that is primarily due to the fact that it was replaced by the new BSB before their certified list came out. They do accept other "advertising" licenses.
That was their original intention when OSI was started, but they found that the name was too generic.
The current version of the OSI FAQ avoids saying that specifically, but it is implied: http://opensource.org/advocacy/faq.php
The old version claimed that "Open Source" was a trademark, but they had to drop it: http://web.archive.org/web/19981201223102/www.open source.org/faq.html
It's true on both time and causality.
Alan says so himself here
For those who dislike the implementation, it is recommended that you use IntelliJ IDEA, rather than resubjecting yourself to a world of pain.
Heh. I thought you meant Civil Engineering.
That (CS+CivEng) seemed like an intersting combo.
See the Wikipedia
Which creates some interesting side-effects.
There are only a very limited number of outcomes that can result from a contract breach. Termination of rights affored by the contract, damages for lost income, one or two others.
So, if you break your EULA then Apple can do a couple of things. They can remove your right to perform the acts afforded by the EULA, and they could sue you for lost income. But since your right to listen to the music falls under fair use, and does not require the EULA it could be argued that apple can't stop you listening to the music (although you could not longer legally copy it..).
I suspect the courts won't see it that way thought.
Strictly speaking that's not true. Copyright includes the right of making copies, so your photo copy is illegal. You'd have to use the original pages for your pajamas.
Because he can relate complex philosophical issues in terms that his audience can understand, wheras board members are required to ramble on incomprehensibly and then threaten to sue people?
It's sufficiently C-like to suit anyone who has done C/C++/Java/Perl/... but high level enough to be a feasible extension language.
Of course it depends on what type of person you expect to use your extension language. Are they programmers?
I went cold turkey, and was a serious PITA for about a month, but it was worth it.
:)
However, I saw the signs of my addiction early and decided to stop it before it got out of hand.
I was drinking a couple of sodas a day (and maybe a coffee on top) and if I didn't get my hit at 3 in the afteroon I got the shakes.
So one day I decided that enough was enough and just stopped drinking it. A year later I decided I was safe, and had a drink. One glass of coke makes me bounce off the walls. It's great
How about:
"10 years of experience in the full software development lifecycle, using object oriented analysis and design to produce enterprise systems using the Java programming language on Windows and Unix (Sun Solaris/AIX/HP-UX/Linux) platforms."
Once upon a time it was easy, we could just say "I'm in IT" and people would ask us to come interview. sigh.
I have a number of domains at Gandi and have never even considered looking for anyone else.
But does Forth suck twice as much as the others?
Well, I never claimed it was for everyone.
Most of the time my users want 5+ year investments. Having something that is gonig to grow with their business, and reliably solve problems for them in that time is (usually) priority #1.
They want us to spend the time now so that they get a better solution in the lifetime of the business. For us, that means Java.
*shrug*, it works for us.
We've switched almost entirely from Powerbuilder to Java, including writing fairly rich GUIs in it. (I personally think the Java GUIs look and feel better than the PB ones).
The big issue with Java GUIs is that it's almost impossible to do them in a "knock-up" way, (something that VB, PB and the like are good at).
People try it, and then end up with junk and blame it on the tool. It's true that if you want to throw a GUI together as cheaply and easily as possible, then Java isn't the right tool, but if you want to put together a GUI that fits into a well designed system, then swing works just fine.
As Gosling recently said,
The problem with that is that if the spammers know that Ron @ monekys.com is sending the file out each week, then they can DDOS his business to force him to stop.
So what needs to happen is for a number of well known anti-spammers to get together a publish a joint statement saying that they support the validity of any files signed by key "..." - but no one person/business is actually identified as being the producer of the files signed by that key.
Although those people would still be taking a risk by making that statement, once the system gets going, their support is no longer required as the system itself will be trusted, and they can officially back off from it. - i.e. People trust Ron@Monkeys.com because of the work he has done, eventually they will trust maintainer@distributed-blacklist.net without ever needing to know the individual(s) involved.
There's a large set of "enterprise" features in java (e.g. JTA, JMS) that python doesn't do.
It's not relevant to everyone, but for those that need it, java is way ahead of python.
Maybe SUN just thought that paying for an expanded license now was good economics. It's certainly going to be cheaper to buy it now than it would be if (by some bizarre course of events) SCO wins.
Sun claims to be the only Unix vendor still committed to maintaining their unix version. That claim would appear to be more-or-less true. This purchase just looks like an attempt to enforce that committment.
As a Sun customer, this news is a good thing. It means that Sun is working to make sure that nothing gets in the way of their ability to sell/support Solaris. There's a definate comfort in knowing that whatever madness happens in the courts, the effects on our systems will be minimal. Stability is a good thing.
I expect IBM will win against SCO, But if I were an AIX customer, then this court case would be another headache I don't need.
Wow! they solved a problem that pretty much no one had.
They invented 4 new languages (Managed-C++, VB.NET, C# and J#) and made them all talk to each other.
Now I get my development team to all write in completely different languages and still interoperate. I'm yet to see why that is useful...
We don't need more languages. I don't need to have lots of new languages that all talk to other new languages.
If it solved the problem of interfacing with legacy code, then I'd be happy, but it doesn't.
MS tries to sell this language independance, but it really isn't a gain to anyone except language bigots.