"Dual motor and air suspension won't add much to the price (they didn't for S/X, and won't for 3 either)" Neither are still options on Model S but when Dual-motor was introduced it was at a $4k premium
from https://www.wired.com/2014/10/... "Each of the three versions of the Model S will come as a D model. The price of the 60kWh battery model will go from $71,070 to $75,070 for the dual motor system. The 85 kWh car goes from $81,070 to $85,070, and the P85 jumps from $105,570 to $120,170"
and air suspension was $2500. For the Model 3, Tesla is tying those 2 options together; let's say they offer it at $5k combined. That's a 10% increase for the premium car and 14% for the promised $35k base car - that's not a small increase.
"Performance package adds a lot of profit regardless of what model line you put it on, so I don't think Tesla will hesitate to put it on the 3. I'd actually expect a surprising number of high end buyers to buy both a 3-performance and a P100D, because the latter is faster and a larger cruiser, while the former is more nimble and can do sustained track duty" I'm sure you're right because they'll need the cash. I think Tesla will lose money on a barebones base so will need buyers to purchase options in order to make any money
and despite the disbelief of his colleagues he swears he was being serious. Seems that analyst has few fans. That said I'm becoming ever more pessimistic that Tesla can survive. They may linger for years but unless they really pull it out of the fire by the end of this year, I can't see a turnaround without a restructuring.
My initial reaction is that he's either lying about his reasons or is so self-unaware that he doesn't understand his own motivations.
Well, that's lovely that you can read his mind and know his motivations better than he can, but... his stated primary reason is not wanting to be associated with Outreachy, which does discriminate based on sex and ancestry.
He comes across like a disgruntled old boy who's quitting the country club because they've started letting in the women, Jews and the blacks and telling him he can't refer to them as wenches, kikes & pickaninnies
"It used to be that you earned respect through your actions and abilities. Now young people think that "respect" is a right, no matter what"
Not quite. There has always been plenty of people who demanded respect undeservedly, usually for accidents of birth or for merely having survived longer than most. This is the backlash, as many have been exposed as nothing more than high-status scumbags. Perhaps the pendulum has swung too far in the opposite direction but let's not pretend that it was ever really truly appropriate.
Let's not forget that after 100 years in business GM's debt exceeded their total assets by $90 billion and they're only alive because they were bailed out lock, stock and barrel
"The current Model 3 being produced is the middle cost variant, NOT the more expensive one. The more expensive one comes in the July/August time frame when they start producing the dual motor / air suspension variant"
Which would put it up in Model S territory for pricing.and would take sales away from Tesla's more profitable sedan.
Who did they "poach"? The one employee who knows how to draw a truck? If you read the Electrek article you'll see designs for similar alternative fuel trucks going back years or decades.
Tesla has at least 2 working trucks and they've been seen hundreds of miles away from the factories, running freight between Sparks & Fremont, broken down by the side of the road or plugged into a SuperCharger. What does Nikola have to show after all these years?
"No law is enforceable in a nation of many millions if most of the population ignores it."
They can always enforce it, even if it's only on a small number of people and can keep raising the penalties to exorbitant levels. Sure the chance that any one of 155 million copyright infringers being charged may be vanishing small but that's cold comfort to the handful that get fined $100,000 per file and get sent to prison.
Neither Keller nor Lattner is a huge loss. Lattner wasn't there long and he was out of his depth. Keller is a talented hardware designer but what Tesla and all self-driving companies need is software prowess. Losing Sterling Anderson surely hurt, losing Andrej Karpathy would be a big frickin' deal. This is not that.
Who's still using Mosaic? The last release was in '97. Saying that it's "turning 25" is like saying my grampa who died 45 years ago would be "turning 110"
Yes, it will cost money. That could be partially offset by the good publicity and the possible tax write-offs.
The good old "paid for by hopes and dreams approach" I do recall Elon Musk providing solar and battery storage only to get grilled in this very forum for doing so. You're better off trying to crowdfund it all.
He tweeted a few hours ago that there are over 600 locations in Puerto Rico being powered by Tesla battery packs and hopes to have several hundred more online as soon as possible https://twitter.com/elonmusk/s...
How do you explain all the people who got timely refunds? Going by Tesla's info, ~60000 would have cancelled between Apr 2016 and Dec 2017. How many of them are still waiting or took months to receive a refund?
"Remember, Musk owns a payment processor"? PayPal? He's not been part of that for 15 years.
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"Dual motor and air suspension won't add much to the price (they didn't for S/X, and won't for 3 either)"
Neither are still options on Model S but when Dual-motor was introduced it was at a $4k premium
from https://www.wired.com/2014/10/...
"Each of the three versions of the Model S will come as a D model. The price of the 60kWh battery model will go from $71,070 to $75,070 for the dual motor system. The 85 kWh car goes from $81,070 to $85,070, and the P85 jumps from $105,570 to $120,170"
and air suspension was $2500.
For the Model 3, Tesla is tying those 2 options together; let's say they offer it at $5k combined.
That's a 10% increase for the premium car and 14% for the promised $35k base car - that's not a small increase.
"Performance package adds a lot of profit regardless of what model line you put it on, so I don't think Tesla will hesitate to put it on the 3. I'd actually expect a surprising number of high end buyers to buy both a 3-performance and a P100D, because the latter is faster and a larger cruiser, while the former is more nimble and can do sustained track duty"
I'm sure you're right because they'll need the cash. I think Tesla will lose money on a barebones base so will need buyers to purchase options in order to make any money
and despite the disbelief of his colleagues he swears he was being serious.
Seems that analyst has few fans.
That said I'm becoming ever more pessimistic that Tesla can survive. They may linger for years but unless they really pull it out of the fire by the end of this year, I can't see a turnaround without a restructuring.
I'm neither a SJW nor a triggered LLVM coder. But nice try, troll
Tanya is Chris Lattner's wife and a longtime software developer at Apple
http://nondot.org/tonic/Welcom...
My initial reaction is that he's either lying about his reasons or is so self-unaware that he doesn't understand his own motivations.
Well, that's lovely that you can read his mind and know his motivations better than he can, but ... his stated primary reason is not wanting to be associated with Outreachy, which does discriminate based on sex and ancestry.
He comes across like a disgruntled old boy who's quitting the country club because they've started letting in the women, Jews and the blacks and telling him he can't refer to them as wenches, kikes & pickaninnies
"It used to be that you earned respect through your actions and abilities.
Now young people think that "respect" is a right, no matter what"
Not quite. There has always been plenty of people who demanded respect undeservedly, usually for accidents of birth or for merely having survived longer than most.
This is the backlash, as many have been exposed as nothing more than high-status scumbags.
Perhaps the pendulum has swung too far in the opposite direction but let's not pretend that it was ever really truly appropriate.
"a couple guys getting fired because they had a brief snicker over the word 'dongle' that was overheard"
One, not both, got fired. But so was the woman who made a fuss over their joke.
https://ycharts.com/companies/GM/
Revenue: $36.1 billion
Net income: $1.05 billion
Yet GM has a *lower* market cap.
Let's not forget that after 100 years in business GM's debt exceeded their total assets by $90 billion and they're only alive because they were bailed out lock, stock and barrel
"The current Model 3 being produced is the middle cost variant, NOT the more expensive one. The more expensive one comes in the July/August time frame when they start producing the dual motor / air suspension variant"
Which would put it up in Model S territory for pricing.and would take sales away from Tesla's more profitable sedan.
"They have a plan to reach 5000 week, and a goal of over 25% margin"
25% margin on a mass market sedan? HOW??
Who did they "poach"? The one employee who knows how to draw a truck?
If you read the Electrek article you'll see designs for similar alternative fuel trucks going back years or decades.
Tesla has at least 2 working trucks and they've been seen hundreds of miles away from the factories, running freight between Sparks & Fremont, broken down by the side of the road or plugged into a SuperCharger.
What does Nikola have to show after all these years?
"A video camera pointed at the driver so people can take selfies and live stream themselves while they drive around?"
The car's AI may also use such a camera to detect if the driver is conscious, alert or impaired
Russia tries to control both sides of any situation they are involved in. That way, even if it doesn't make any sense, they are still in control.
How conviniently unfalsifiable a statement.
"conviniently" Is that the Russian spellink, Komrad?
Unfalsifiable is not the same as false.
"No law is enforceable in a nation of many millions if most of the population ignores it."
They can always enforce it, even if it's only on a small number of people and can keep raising the penalties to exorbitant levels.
Sure the chance that any one of 155 million copyright infringers being charged may be vanishing small but that's cold comfort to the handful that get fined $100,000 per file and get sent to prison.
IIRC Old musky's degree is Aerospace engineering
Nope.
When SpaceX started, the spaceflight community were largely dismissive of the balding software startup guy.
Now that they've accomplished more in re-usable rockets than all other companies combined, the story now is that anyone could have done it
Neither Keller nor Lattner is a huge loss.
Lattner wasn't there long and he was out of his depth. Keller is a talented hardware designer but what Tesla and all self-driving companies need is software prowess. Losing Sterling Anderson surely hurt, losing Andrej Karpathy would be a big frickin' deal.
This is not that.
I'm surprised that Tesla doesn't already have car-to-car comms for their own vehicles
If US consumer tastes change (as they always do) Ford is toast.
Tesla can't make enough sedans and not affordably enough
"a better title would have been "Mosaic turns 25"
Who's still using Mosaic? The last release was in '97.
Saying that it's "turning 25" is like saying my grampa who died 45 years ago would be "turning 110"
Qupzilla?
Looks like it now goes by Falkon
"OMG google actually did something useful for once?"
Did you try googling that ?
If the average Model S was only getting 120 miles out of a full charge, there would be hundreds of Tesla every day that needed towing.
Yes, it will cost money. That could be partially offset by the good publicity and the possible tax write-offs.
The good old "paid for by hopes and dreams approach" I do recall Elon Musk providing solar and battery storage only to get grilled in this very forum for doing so. You're better off trying to crowdfund it all.
He tweeted a few hours ago that there are over 600 locations in Puerto Rico being powered by Tesla battery packs and hopes to have several hundred more online as soon as possible
https://twitter.com/elonmusk/s...
How do you explain all the people who got timely refunds?
Going by Tesla's info, ~60000 would have cancelled between Apr 2016 and Dec 2017. How many of them are still waiting or took months to receive a refund?
"Remember, Musk owns a payment processor"?
PayPal? He's not been part of that for 15 years.