I made the problem of making my post waayyy too short, with too few details. I corrected it in a later post, but by then this little flamewar I started off was out of control. Come to think of it, it was a nearly perfect troll. Huh.
Anyway, my clarification was that I went two weeks between applying patches. That was where my uptime ended. I don't mind low uptimes on my workstation, as long as they aren't caused by crashes. But on the servers, that's where the uptime is measured in months, as patches get tested and deployed sparingly and on weekends. Yeah, it sucks that Microsoft makes you reboot, and luckily we're not in an environment like yours where downtime=lost revenue, but if that were the case for me, I would look at a Linux solution that didn't need reboots to apply updates.
Expensive OEM machines? I'm not saying that at all, and it's not true anyway.
You think clueless end-users even know what bad RAM on some piece of hardware is, let alone how to deal with it? Like it or not, shit hardware doesn't generally make it into the enterprise-level, which by your reasoning, means Linux shouldn't either. How sad.
Has it even been patched? Or is it running pre-SP1? I never said Win2k didn't have problems, but in the years that it's been out, there are a lot of problems that have been fixed.
I run a dual boot 2k/RH9 system at home. We use Squid on a server at work for web caching and I'm running a department slash web site on Debian. I use the correct tool for the job. But I'm not going to change my mind based on a bunch of anecdotal evidence by a bunch of slashbots that I can't verify. The systems under my charge work. Both Linux and Windows co-exist, and both can be made to run solid.
Perhaps I should clarify that my Windows box makes it two weeks before I install security patches. I don't doubt that my machine could run for months, if not years before a restart. I'm a sysadmin for over a thousand windows boxes, 2k and XP. They run fine because I keep them clean without lame software and I use standardized hardware.
Rife with security holes, memory leaks, and intermitant and unexplained BSODs, its reputation preceeds it.
Security holes? Sure. But don't tell me of your "non-ms" box that doesn't have those either.
Memory leaks? Better check your software first before blaming Microsoft. There are millions that don't have that issue.
There are NO "unexplained BSODs" anymore on Windows 2k or XP. Don't use the hardware that you picked up at that swap meet, you'll be fine.
Maybe 2k and XP get a bad rap because of the hell we all experienced with 9x/ME, and people figure it will be more of the same. Microsoft gives you the tools to make clean, working systems. I do it. You say your box at work doesn't make it two weeks? Maybe you've got the shitty admin.
My system has been up for over two weeks without any of those problems. It's using 350MB RAM, but that's because it's me running programs. How convenient to blame Windows instead of finding the real problem.
This is true; any Windows gurus out there want to take a stab at explaining why this happens -- and maybe what can be done about it?
Hmm. I guess I don't consider myself a guru, but I know more than any of my personal friends.
Although this does still seem to exist somewhat, I think it's taken a real drop since Win2k and XP. I'm a sysadmin for a large Win2k network, and from what I can see, the servers stay happy until they are taken down.
We had the most problems when people were on 95/98. With the ability to install every type of software you can imagine (not my call, I was a grunt back then) the machines grind to an agonizing crawl. After a wipe and reinstall, they become speedy quick. Perhaps it would still happen on Win2k and XP, but I don't let users install software now. The machines do fine.
I really think that the root of all those problems is shitty software. Seems that most commercial software you install nowadays wants a bit of your screen and processor real-estate by installing all sorts of icons and background programs. Quicktime? Realplayer? Winzip?!? Wtf?
Check where programs run on startup. And that means registry digging too. Check HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Run . Check for hooks into explorer.exe in the registry, though that usually means your box is compromised. Legacy programs can still put stuff in win.ini and system.ini. Check the Windows Start Menu startup folder.
Check running services in the MMC snap-in. Run services.msc to see them. See something you don't recognize? Track it down. Look at what processes are running for clues. See a process that you don't recognize? Find out what it is. I use Process Explorer from Sysinternals, a nice little free app. That running process that doesn't need to be there is stealing from you. Stealing your cycles and time.
I probably forgot some things, but there are lots of places to "startup" things in Windows. And be careful. One wrong keystroke with this stuff and you can kill your system.
My machine that I use for work is solid, has been for years. I will usually get uptimes measured in weeks with no problems. Stupid security patches.
There are people that I know that dislike the Tolkien books. FWIW, I have a friend that doesn't read. Ever. I told him about the Tolkien books. I told him that there are people that don't like them for whatever reason. He had seen the movies and kind of wanted to read the books.
He loves them, and reads some every day.
Something about Tolkien seems to cross all boundaries of race, religion, and age. We talk of the changes made between the books and the movies, reasons for them, and also on the books as themselves.
Some people would argue a bullet to the forehead has the same effect... does that make protests in real life any less legitimate?
Committing suicide has a bit more finality to it than disconnecting from a server. You can always reconnect to the server; you can't really take back suicide.
That's bad enough, but then he was constantly being called at home by the replacement for help even after he was gone...
I would have said, "Tell you what, if you want help, go to your boss and have them bring me in as an outside consultant on contract. Until then, piss off."
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Could be that they feel that their money is being put toward a good cause; increasing awareness on the issue. Or maybe they like the fact that this person said that the proceeds will go to the EFF after the transfer is complete. I do agree about the inflating prices, though.
I know someone that was bidding on pontoon boats on ebay. They lost, and called the seller to see if they had anything else. As it turns out, the seller is actually a company that builds pontoon boats. They sell them for regular price at their store, but they find that on ebay they'll get $1000USD or two more.
Yeah, pretty awesome, since/. karma does things like pay my bills, mow my lawn, and get me beer from the fridge. It even stepped up and was wingman for me when it went home with an ugly girl for me, allowing me to get with her really hot friend.
Why is this such big news? Dell already does this with RedHat. Despite what the article says, Dell hasn't taken them off the market. I know/. users don't like Dell for some reason, but they've done this for a while, and you get support, too. Their marketing doesn't scream Linux loudly enough, I guess.
Of course, you do have to order them with RedHat, but they do give you the option.
I would agree, but ironically, I took the opposite route in dealing with my boss.
I was in tech support, but now am a sysadmin. My previous boss, while not an idiot, was inept at his job and refused to learn new ways of doing things. For example, he figured Windows 2000 was just like NT, as far as how to manage it. We had no firewalls, no NAT, no security policy, no patching schedule. We were wide open for all to see. And crack.
Finally, after I spent yet another day rebuilding a server for the fourth time after it had been compromised, I took action. I detailed all of the things that were wrong with the very nature of how he did things. I cited examples. I said that I found myself doing parts of his job, and it was affecting my ability to do the job for which I was hired. All very professional. Luckily for me, I'm good with words. It wasn't a condescending letter; I was grateful for the terrific opportunity to work there, and respected my boss greatly, since he was the one that had gotten me the job there in the first place. But something had to be said. When it was complete, I emailed my composition to his boss, the CFO.
I chose my allies well and played the political game within the ranks. He never knew it was coming until it was too late. He knew I would be taking over for him after he left, so he said to me, "If you run into any problems, just blame me." It was priceless. I came out clean and looking great.
We've spent the last three months repairing the slow damage that had been done over the last six years. Ever cleared out static DNS and WINS settings on a thousand Windows boxes? You don't want to.
HA! Funny mods! Someone is being amused at your expense. Your situation is completely opposite from my experience with Dell. I can't tell if you're serious or not!
In any case, if your vendor is Dell, they now have a self-ordering system for replacement parts. As long as you know what you are doing, you can get as many parts as you need with just little blurbs on their online form. Four hour response on servers. I haven't talked to a live person at Dell in almost two years.
The good news is this will give far more mobility to the elderly.
The bad news is that the computer runs Linux** and as such the elderly will need to pay SCO $699* every time they go for a walk
This slashbot welcomes our SCO-enabled elderly overlords.
We have this card in a lab of Dell Precision 450's. I have never had any problems with it. I've done driver updates, loaded the ATI hydravision software, and generally pushed the card. I have had no complaints, or troubles with card.
On another note, I not surprised that the Nvidia card beat the ATI when it is over twice as much. Duh.
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Anyway, my clarification was that I went two weeks between applying patches. That was where my uptime ended. I don't mind low uptimes on my workstation, as long as they aren't caused by crashes. But on the servers, that's where the uptime is measured in months, as patches get tested and deployed sparingly and on weekends. Yeah, it sucks that Microsoft makes you reboot, and luckily we're not in an environment like yours where downtime=lost revenue, but if that were the case for me, I would look at a Linux solution that didn't need reboots to apply updates.
You think clueless end-users even know what bad RAM on some piece of hardware is, let alone how to deal with it? Like it or not, shit hardware doesn't generally make it into the enterprise-level, which by your reasoning, means Linux shouldn't either. How sad.
I run a dual boot 2k/RH9 system at home. We use Squid on a server at work for web caching and I'm running a department slash web site on Debian. I use the correct tool for the job. But I'm not going to change my mind based on a bunch of anecdotal evidence by a bunch of slashbots that I can't verify. The systems under my charge work. Both Linux and Windows co-exist, and both can be made to run solid.
Perhaps I should clarify that my Windows box makes it two weeks before I install security patches. I don't doubt that my machine could run for months, if not years before a restart. I'm a sysadmin for over a thousand windows boxes, 2k and XP. They run fine because I keep them clean without lame software and I use standardized hardware.
Rife with security holes, memory leaks, and intermitant and unexplained BSODs, its reputation preceeds it.
Security holes? Sure. But don't tell me of your "non-ms" box that doesn't have those either.
Memory leaks? Better check your software first before blaming Microsoft. There are millions that don't have that issue.
There are NO "unexplained BSODs" anymore on Windows 2k or XP. Don't use the hardware that you picked up at that swap meet, you'll be fine.
Maybe 2k and XP get a bad rap because of the hell we all experienced with 9x/ME, and people figure it will be more of the same. Microsoft gives you the tools to make clean, working systems. I do it. You say your box at work doesn't make it two weeks? Maybe you've got the shitty admin.
My system has been up for over two weeks without any of those problems. It's using 350MB RAM, but that's because it's me running programs. How convenient to blame Windows instead of finding the real problem.
Hmm. I guess I don't consider myself a guru, but I know more than any of my personal friends.
Although this does still seem to exist somewhat, I think it's taken a real drop since Win2k and XP. I'm a sysadmin for a large Win2k network, and from what I can see, the servers stay happy until they are taken down.
We had the most problems when people were on 95/98. With the ability to install every type of software you can imagine (not my call, I was a grunt back then) the machines grind to an agonizing crawl. After a wipe and reinstall, they become speedy quick. Perhaps it would still happen on Win2k and XP, but I don't let users install software now. The machines do fine.
I really think that the root of all those problems is shitty software. Seems that most commercial software you install nowadays wants a bit of your screen and processor real-estate by installing all sorts of icons and background programs. Quicktime? Realplayer? Winzip?!? Wtf?
Check where programs run on startup. And that means registry digging too. Check HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Run . Check for hooks into explorer.exe in the registry, though that usually means your box is compromised. Legacy programs can still put stuff in win.ini and system.ini. Check the Windows Start Menu startup folder.
Check running services in the MMC snap-in. Run services.msc to see them. See something you don't recognize? Track it down. Look at what processes are running for clues. See a process that you don't recognize? Find out what it is. I use Process Explorer from Sysinternals, a nice little free app. That running process that doesn't need to be there is stealing from you. Stealing your cycles and time.
I probably forgot some things, but there are lots of places to "startup" things in Windows. And be careful. One wrong keystroke with this stuff and you can kill your system.
My machine that I use for work is solid, has been for years. I will usually get uptimes measured in weeks with no problems. Stupid security patches.
He loves them, and reads some every day.
Something about Tolkien seems to cross all boundaries of race, religion, and age. We talk of the changes made between the books and the movies, reasons for them, and also on the books as themselves.
"Whoa! What? They're already in my machine?!?"
Not a script, but perhaps a free (as in beer) Word plugin? Bullfighter
Committing suicide has a bit more finality to it than disconnecting from a server. You can always reconnect to the server; you can't really take back suicide.
Damn. I have a zero angle speedometer. That's why the cop clocked me at 100mph! I thought I was in a different car!
I would have said, "Tell you what, if you want help, go to your boss and have them bring me in as an outside consultant on contract. Until then, piss off."
We wouldn't have it any other way, Amoeba.
I know someone that was bidding on pontoon boats on ebay. They lost, and called the seller to see if they had anything else. As it turns out, the seller is actually a company that builds pontoon boats. They sell them for regular price at their store, but they find that on ebay they'll get $1000USD or two more.
Yeah, pretty awesome, since /. karma does things like pay my bills, mow my lawn, and get me beer from the fridge. It even stepped up and was wingman for me when it went home with an ugly girl for me, allowing me to get with her really hot friend.
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Don't be a lamer like me kids! Check those links!
Of course, you do have to order them with RedHat, but they do give you the option.
Right off of the Dell site:
Linux Products
Dell Linux Overview
Wasn't all of this said before when Microsoft put the activation "features" into some of their software? That still seems to be around.
"Let us be thankful for the fools. But for them the rest of us could not succeed."
I was in tech support, but now am a sysadmin. My previous boss, while not an idiot, was inept at his job and refused to learn new ways of doing things. For example, he figured Windows 2000 was just like NT, as far as how to manage it. We had no firewalls, no NAT, no security policy, no patching schedule. We were wide open for all to see. And crack.
Finally, after I spent yet another day rebuilding a server for the fourth time after it had been compromised, I took action. I detailed all of the things that were wrong with the very nature of how he did things. I cited examples. I said that I found myself doing parts of his job, and it was affecting my ability to do the job for which I was hired. All very professional. Luckily for me, I'm good with words. It wasn't a condescending letter; I was grateful for the terrific opportunity to work there, and respected my boss greatly, since he was the one that had gotten me the job there in the first place. But something had to be said. When it was complete, I emailed my composition to his boss, the CFO.
I chose my allies well and played the political game within the ranks. He never knew it was coming until it was too late. He knew I would be taking over for him after he left, so he said to me, "If you run into any problems, just blame me." It was priceless. I came out clean and looking great.
We've spent the last three months repairing the slow damage that had been done over the last six years. Ever cleared out static DNS and WINS settings on a thousand Windows boxes? You don't want to.
So it can be done. However, YMMV.
Quickly! Someone establish solid prior art before some company patents it and starts charging licensing fees to virus writers!
Thank you. I am actually in a position to make decisions about products and services where I work. Your list has helped with several.
In any case, if your vendor is Dell, they now have a self-ordering system for replacement parts. As long as you know what you are doing, you can get as many parts as you need with just little blurbs on their online form. Four hour response on servers. I haven't talked to a live person at Dell in almost two years.
This slashbot welcomes our SCO-enabled elderly overlords.
We have this card in a lab of Dell Precision 450's. I have never had any problems with it. I've done driver updates, loaded the ATI hydravision software, and generally pushed the card. I have had no complaints, or troubles with card.
On another note, I not surprised that the Nvidia card beat the ATI when it is over twice as much. Duh.