It just has an updated UI and different methods of accessing the same things.
An obvious failing on Microsoft's side if that's all you think that has changed. But then that's a victim of it's success. The big changes under the hood are never noticed by end users or not properly registered.
A few of my noteworthy things would be: Connected Standby, improved security model, far better highDPI interface scaling, multiple desktops, increases in the support of ASLR, better memory management, better performance (not like in bloat that's is getting bigger faster than an American policeofficer staking out a donut shop, but actual in terms of raw kernel peformance), if you're into that sort of thing: better computer management of domain connected computers, far better firewall, the effective equivalent of SE Linux, improved boot performance, a more useful task manager, a more useful startup manager with self-benchmarking so you can see what is causing your computer to grind, file history and backup integration is dramatically improved along with a new backup system, bitlocker's userfriendlyness is dramatically improved, TPM2.0 support for bitlocker, native biometric support, WiFi direct printing, per-application VPNs,
and then you can look at some of the more device specific imporvements:
Flexible touch detection allowing you to actually grab that 2px window border with your finger, vastly improved pen / tablet input integration, seriously a lot of people don't care about this kind of thing, but as an early adopter of touchscreens I'm surprised I was turned off for life by Windows 7. It was unusable without a mouse.
Then there's very targetted features, such as if you're into gaming with DirectX 12, xbox integration, screen recording if you're one of *those people*, gaming mode. Or if your the media type: native support for miracase. Or if you're the connected type: integration with mobile devices and integration of the contact list into the sharing system....
To be clear: Telemetry is bad. The update system is horrible. The take it or leave it approach to a 25GB deployment is just stupid. The attempt to push people towards a locked in Windows store is borderline nefarious. But there are actually a LOT of very poorly marketed yet very positive changes under the hood as well.
Same here, but: a) I consider myself quite lucky, and b) I postpone feature updates for as long as I can so the bugs are sorted out by those poor people with Windows 10 home before they get to me.
Unfortunately, this model doesn't work for operating systems which are not like any other software
Of course it does. This model is not very different from Linux which also goes through continuous rolling updates and feature movements everytime you run apt update && apt upgrade
What doesn't work is having absolutely zero frigging quality control, focusing your coding efforts on irrelevant shit like the colour of the UI rather than how the OS works, and then pushing out software to meet a deadline even when your foolish beta testers tell you your software isn't even beta quality much less ready for release.
I will wager that the former is far higher than the latter, but then also completely dwarved by negligence, ignorance and the occasional stupid mistake completely unrelated to money.
Expecting people to do this perfect hand washing doesn't seem to be working, from a systems perspective.
The systems work against us, especially in America. One easy way to reduce the spread of disease, give people sickleave completely independent from their holiday leave, and tell them to stay the heck away from others. The problem with relying on washing from hands is that only works if you live and work in a bathroom. Normal people will do things while suffering from a viral infection like sneeze, cough, use their computer, touch doorknobs, god forbid rub their nose, and then they will walk up and shake your hand.
there's no reason to not allow your immune system to do its job.
You know the way the immune system does it's job right? You're at home in bed coughing running a fever. Just because you're not immunocompromised doesn't mean you should tongue kiss every diseased person out there.
Pre-rendering a page when you move a mouse cursor over a tab isn't prediction, it's reaction.
Oh really? And if I don't click? Did it just react to something I didn't want to? That's kind of the textbook definition of prediction, doing something anticipating the following action.
If you can't even understand the base principle how can we have a discussion on it.
Using so-called "idle" resources to render a page in the background takes time away from the browser UI
What a stupid thing to say. Take time away from a UI that literally is about to take time to do something, all the while almost certainly consuming little to no resources.
the most likely outcome is that there will be a slight pause
The most likely outcome is you wont notice shit other than the tab will appear to be faster.
and Firefox has had TONS of problems with random pauses over the last decade
Yeah, and have done a lot of improvements in the last decade too leading to the latest iteration to be among the fastest releases to date. Excuse me for giving the developers who have proven themselves a little rope.
these techniques never actually result in a net benefit in the real world
I agree, except for all the places where they have. As said this has been a basis of many projects that have actively improved UI responsiveness. You claim otherwise, and you're wrong.
UIs were responsive in the days of Win2K and arguably XP, but that all went to hell when people started using all this turbo superprefetch nonsense
I get it now. This comment combined with the bit where you've studied CPU design... you have no idea how software works. That's the only conclusion that someone can make given you think superprefetch has anything remotely to do with the UI.
Take a look at Win10. It does preventive maintenance all day long using "idle time" and it's slow as a dog and completely unpredictable
Yeah, except for the bit where it's faster than all previous versions of windows down to 7 as measured by both synthetic and workload benchmarks.
The same has been happening to Linux for a while
Yeah I agree. The new kernel schedulers and advances in X have made Linux faster and snappier too! (Yes I know I'm playing with your sentences)
When they actually make UIs more responsive, then I'll be impressed
No you won't, quite evidently. Car analogy time. You're claiming that a V8 engine with 400bhp is no more powerful than a shittly little 4cyl with 200bhp simply because your only frame of reference is a small hatchback vs a 3-tonne utility vehicle. You complain that the utility vehicle doesn't accelerate completely ignoring you have a different car.
You want to feel some speed, how about you disable all window animations and then see how fast notepad.exe appears. That seems to be your frame of reference completely ignoring the massively more complex software and functions you are attempting to do now over the Win2k days.
Mozilla has been crooning about both speed and responsiveness for a decade... and I haven't seen it.
Observation bias. They most definitely haven't been. A decade ago Mozilla was talking about speed exclusively in terms of javascript performance. 6 years ago there was no talk of speed at all but a focus entirely on memory footprint, 5 years ago the talk was exclusively on sandboxing, security and the plugin architecture. A part of that was UI responsiveness changes with Australis and the UI took a nice jump up in speed then which a lot of people then instantly shit on with a laundry list of plugins because they didn't like the look. Even firefox quantum didn't talk about the UI focused exclusively on page rendering.
Can we in Europe take a moment to appreciate the application of GDPR here. The popup gives a of 10 cookies, broken up into editorial, content personalisation, and analytics, along with them a link to the privacy policy of each company.
By default only the analytics ones are ticked, and unlike many other sites which missed the point of the GDPR the site continues to function if you untick them and it doesn't appear to try and load the cookies if you don't tick the box.
The only problem really is that I don't retain cookies between sessions so it's going to come up with that popup again, next time, but at least it appears not to pay lip service while continuing to screw the users.
India? You mean the country which has a 7% YoY increase in energy production over the past 10 years compared to America's 0.05%? Or Europe's 0.1%? I'm not sure what you expect, that they flick a switch and it all happens over night? Basic services in India have been improving year on year. But I'm not sure how you expect to fund it if a country doesn't invest in sectors that make money, such as technology and agriculture (a big consumer of water).
Good on you, Google! I am sure that you will at the same time promote the sites where I can legally purchase movies that are download-to-own, and can be format shifted so they play on all my devices, right? Oh wait...
Yep, all of those options already come up at the very top of the search results. The fact you don't see them just means...
What the hell is maintenance? Are you saying logitech mice need maintenance? Now there's a turnoff.
Not the OP but I do remember looking at mice and finding logitech had at the time no cordless mice on offer to suit a full size desktop that didn't also come as some kit with a keyboard. I like my (logitech) keyboard and wasn't about to replace it, but I sure as hell wasn't about to play with some miniaturized laptop bluetooth mouse.
I can see that it's only compatible with Windows 7 and up (although the way they say it's not customizable with Windows 10S is pretty awkward) so why would I buy it?
If people only bought hardware "compatible" with the OSes they run then Linux would barely run on anything. In other news the Surface Pro 3 is only "compatible" with Windows 8 and 10. Interestingly it has fully working native kernel modules in Linux for all the hardware despite how specific that hardware actually is.
Mind you if you only bought "compatible" hardware you probably would give up with computers altogether. I mean have you ever actually found RAM from the QVL of a motherboard available at the same store where you bought your motherboard? Obeying rules of "compatibility" is enough to drive anyone insane.
If not money, what do you intend to solve problems with.... hope?
Yes. That's exactly how we solve problems. We fund R&D in the hope that the funding bears fruit. Often it doesn't. Sometimes it does. Occasionally we end up with something completely other than the fruit we were looking for (e.g. the discovery of penicillin).
When Adam Heller was playing with inorganic chemistry it wasn't because someone said "we have a storage problem, go invent a better battery". The same body of research gave us all sorts of unrelated things, which is how the lithium battery is linked to early attempts at fusion power. The lithium battery like many things was an incidental discovery to more generic research. Sure sometimes you can target research such as the very first battery was a logical extension of layden jars put together to increase charge, but then other times like the discovery of the layden jar itself you end up with something strange in your hand and you don't even know how it works or what it will ever be useful for. If you're lucky you can figure out how to make it again.
Crap I hate double replying but yeah I missed it the first time around:
And you still haven't told me who you want to car to purposefully kill in the event of an unavoidable accident.
The question doesn't actually exist outside of any stupid theoretical mind. A car will be programmed to take the safest course of action given that it couldn't possibly know enough variables to make the decision. That course of action is to attempt to stop in a controlled way. Maybe one day in 2218 when technology is fed perfect information about friction and the value to society of everyone around it and in it, then we can re-ask the question, but my guess is by then we're either all dead, we're back in the stone age or we've eliminated accidents.
So to answer your question: An autonomous car won't purposefully kill anyone. It doesn't have the ability to make that decision.
My point is not how safe
Allow me to quote something I read recently
Remember when people were strutting around expounding how safe these self driving vehicles were?
We don't need to eliminate emissions. We need to close the carbon cycle. Eliminate emissions from ground transport and energy production goes a long way. But for this last 1/4 we could do things like switch to biofuel.
Mind you the article is woefully narrow focused. We won't be able to eliminate emissions for many other reasons. Our oil dependence goes well beyond the need to drive down to the shopping centre and soar through the air. I am typing this to you right now on a keyboard brought to you by the oil industry while wearing pants and a shirt made of fibres brought to you by the oil industry. Later today I'll go for a bikeride where I will cycle on a path brought to you by the leftover dredges oil industry. As a smart sheik once said: Oil is too valuable for us to burn.
Going to post this as AC because I'm sure the haters will be out in full force.
It's worth noting that there are a few haters here on Slashdot, but the people who actually like the car and have modpoints far outnumber the haters. Don't be afraid to be proud of your car.
But why the foundation? Get rid of that NT kernel, it's a superfluous element, one more potential point of failure without any benefit.
Yes, right until you get to the part where the Linux kernel will need dedicated drivers for it, a key reason why in the mobile ROM world it is so hard to simply play with whatever OS you want.
Having a working kernel doesn't seem so superfluous.
We don't want mobiles-like desktops. We don't want desktop-like mobiles.
Don't speak for us. Speak for yourself. You comments have been heard over and over again about smartphones, about phablets, tablets, notebooks, early laptops, Surface... slates (horrible name). Guess what, they all sell well enough that companies happily continue producing for the form factor.
You may not want a mobile like desktop, I do. Not a pocketable one specifically but a tablettable one. On the flip side just like the first Surfaces took on the tablets, this looks set to take on the phablet, also quite a large market.
Don't like it, don't buy it, but don't claim that no one else wants one.
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It just has an updated UI and different methods of accessing the same things.
An obvious failing on Microsoft's side if that's all you think that has changed. But then that's a victim of it's success. The big changes under the hood are never noticed by end users or not properly registered.
A few of my noteworthy things would be: Connected Standby, improved security model, far better highDPI interface scaling, multiple desktops, increases in the support of ASLR, better memory management, better performance (not like in bloat that's is getting bigger faster than an American policeofficer staking out a donut shop, but actual in terms of raw kernel peformance), if you're into that sort of thing: better computer management of domain connected computers, far better firewall, the effective equivalent of SE Linux, improved boot performance, a more useful task manager, a more useful startup manager with self-benchmarking so you can see what is causing your computer to grind, file history and backup integration is dramatically improved along with a new backup system, bitlocker's userfriendlyness is dramatically improved, TPM2.0 support for bitlocker, native biometric support, WiFi direct printing, per-application VPNs,
and then you can look at some of the more device specific imporvements:
Flexible touch detection allowing you to actually grab that 2px window border with your finger, vastly improved pen / tablet input integration, seriously a lot of people don't care about this kind of thing, but as an early adopter of touchscreens I'm surprised I was turned off for life by Windows 7. It was unusable without a mouse.
Then there's very targetted features, such as if you're into gaming with DirectX 12, xbox integration, screen recording if you're one of *those people*, gaming mode. Or if your the media type: native support for miracase. Or if you're the connected type: integration with mobile devices and integration of the contact list into the sharing system....
To be clear: Telemetry is bad. The update system is horrible. The take it or leave it approach to a 25GB deployment is just stupid. The attempt to push people towards a locked in Windows store is borderline nefarious. But there are actually a LOT of very poorly marketed yet very positive changes under the hood as well.
Same here, but: a) I consider myself quite lucky, and b) I postpone feature updates for as long as I can so the bugs are sorted out by those poor people with Windows 10 home before they get to me.
#privilage.
Unfortunately, this model doesn't work for operating systems which are not like any other software
Of course it does. This model is not very different from Linux which also goes through continuous rolling updates and feature movements everytime you run apt update && apt upgrade
What doesn't work is having absolutely zero frigging quality control, focusing your coding efforts on irrelevant shit like the colour of the UI rather than how the OS works, and then pushing out software to meet a deadline even when your foolish beta testers tell you your software isn't even beta quality much less ready for release.
If Bitcoin is slowly inflating
It's not. It's massively price correcting after a huge bubble.
and non-hardened exchanges
Why do you need your exchanges to be hardened? Keep your wallet to yourself.
I will wager that the former is far higher than the latter, but then also completely dwarved by negligence, ignorance and the occasional stupid mistake completely unrelated to money.
Expecting people to do this perfect hand washing doesn't seem to be working, from a systems perspective.
The systems work against us, especially in America. One easy way to reduce the spread of disease, give people sickleave completely independent from their holiday leave, and tell them to stay the heck away from others. The problem with relying on washing from hands is that only works if you live and work in a bathroom. Normal people will do things while suffering from a viral infection like sneeze, cough, use their computer, touch doorknobs, god forbid rub their nose, and then they will walk up and shake your hand.
Studies have shown that excessive cleanliness increases chances of developing allergies.
There's a big difference between excessive cleanliness and washing your hands properly.
there's no reason to not allow your immune system to do its job.
You know the way the immune system does it's job right? You're at home in bed coughing running a fever. Just because you're not immunocompromised doesn't mean you should tongue kiss every diseased person out there.
Wash your hands you dirty grub.
Pre-rendering a page when you move a mouse cursor over a tab isn't prediction, it's reaction.
Oh really? And if I don't click? Did it just react to something I didn't want to? That's kind of the textbook definition of prediction, doing something anticipating the following action.
If you can't even understand the base principle how can we have a discussion on it.
Using so-called "idle" resources to render a page in the background takes time away from the browser UI
What a stupid thing to say. Take time away from a UI that literally is about to take time to do something, all the while almost certainly consuming little to no resources.
the most likely outcome is that there will be a slight pause
The most likely outcome is you wont notice shit other than the tab will appear to be faster.
and Firefox has had TONS of problems with random pauses over the last decade
Yeah, and have done a lot of improvements in the last decade too leading to the latest iteration to be among the fastest releases to date. Excuse me for giving the developers who have proven themselves a little rope.
these techniques never actually result in a net benefit in the real world
I agree, except for all the places where they have. As said this has been a basis of many projects that have actively improved UI responsiveness. You claim otherwise, and you're wrong.
UIs were responsive in the days of Win2K and arguably XP, but that all went to hell when people started using all this turbo superprefetch nonsense
I get it now. This comment combined with the bit where you've studied CPU design ... you have no idea how software works. That's the only conclusion that someone can make given you think superprefetch has anything remotely to do with the UI.
Take a look at Win10. It does preventive maintenance all day long using "idle time" and it's slow as a dog and completely unpredictable
Yeah, except for the bit where it's faster than all previous versions of windows down to 7 as measured by both synthetic and workload benchmarks.
The same has been happening to Linux for a while
Yeah I agree. The new kernel schedulers and advances in X have made Linux faster and snappier too! (Yes I know I'm playing with your sentences)
When they actually make UIs more responsive, then I'll be impressed
No you won't, quite evidently. Car analogy time. You're claiming that a V8 engine with 400bhp is no more powerful than a shittly little 4cyl with 200bhp simply because your only frame of reference is a small hatchback vs a 3-tonne utility vehicle. You complain that the utility vehicle doesn't accelerate completely ignoring you have a different car.
You want to feel some speed, how about you disable all window animations and then see how fast notepad.exe appears. That seems to be your frame of reference completely ignoring the massively more complex software and functions you are attempting to do now over the Win2k days.
Mozilla has been crooning about both speed and responsiveness for a decade... and I haven't seen it.
Observation bias. They most definitely haven't been. A decade ago Mozilla was talking about speed exclusively in terms of javascript performance. 6 years ago there was no talk of speed at all but a focus entirely on memory footprint, 5 years ago the talk was exclusively on sandboxing, security and the plugin architecture. A part of that was UI responsiveness changes with Australis and the UI took a nice jump up in speed then which a lot of people then instantly shit on with a laundry list of plugins because they didn't like the look. Even firefox quantum didn't talk about the UI focused exclusively on page rendering.
Nobody
Can we in Europe take a moment to appreciate the application of GDPR here. The popup gives a of 10 cookies, broken up into editorial, content personalisation, and analytics, along with them a link to the privacy policy of each company.
By default only the analytics ones are ticked, and unlike many other sites which missed the point of the GDPR the site continues to function if you untick them and it doesn't appear to try and load the cookies if you don't tick the box.
The only problem really is that I don't retain cookies between sessions so it's going to come up with that popup again, next time, but at least it appears not to pay lip service while continuing to screw the users.
India? You mean the country which has a 7% YoY increase in energy production over the past 10 years compared to America's 0.05%? Or Europe's 0.1%? I'm not sure what you expect, that they flick a switch and it all happens over night? Basic services in India have been improving year on year. But I'm not sure how you expect to fund it if a country doesn't invest in sectors that make money, such as technology and agriculture (a big consumer of water).
Good on you, Google! I am sure that you will at the same time promote the sites where I can legally purchase movies that are download-to-own, and can be format shifted so they play on all my devices, right? Oh wait...
Yep, all of those options already come up at the very top of the search results. The fact you don't see them just means...
been more comfortable
Opinion
and maintainable
What the hell is maintenance? Are you saying logitech mice need maintenance? Now there's a turnoff.
Not the OP but I do remember looking at mice and finding logitech had at the time no cordless mice on offer to suit a full size desktop that didn't also come as some kit with a keyboard. I like my (logitech) keyboard and wasn't about to replace it, but I sure as hell wasn't about to play with some miniaturized laptop bluetooth mouse.
I can see that it's only compatible with Windows 7 and up (although the way they say it's not customizable with Windows 10S is pretty awkward) so why would I buy it?
If people only bought hardware "compatible" with the OSes they run then Linux would barely run on anything. In other news the Surface Pro 3 is only "compatible" with Windows 8 and 10. Interestingly it has fully working native kernel modules in Linux for all the hardware despite how specific that hardware actually is.
Mind you if you only bought "compatible" hardware you probably would give up with computers altogether. I mean have you ever actually found RAM from the QVL of a motherboard available at the same store where you bought your motherboard? Obeying rules of "compatibility" is enough to drive anyone insane.
If not money, what do you intend to solve problems with.... hope?
Yes. That's exactly how we solve problems. We fund R&D in the hope that the funding bears fruit. Often it doesn't. Sometimes it does. Occasionally we end up with something completely other than the fruit we were looking for (e.g. the discovery of penicillin).
When Adam Heller was playing with inorganic chemistry it wasn't because someone said "we have a storage problem, go invent a better battery". The same body of research gave us all sorts of unrelated things, which is how the lithium battery is linked to early attempts at fusion power. The lithium battery like many things was an incidental discovery to more generic research. Sure sometimes you can target research such as the very first battery was a logical extension of layden jars put together to increase charge, but then other times like the discovery of the layden jar itself you end up with something strange in your hand and you don't even know how it works or what it will ever be useful for. If you're lucky you can figure out how to make it again.
Crap I hate double replying but yeah I missed it the first time around:
And you still haven't told me who you want to car to purposefully kill in the event of an unavoidable accident.
The question doesn't actually exist outside of any stupid theoretical mind. A car will be programmed to take the safest course of action given that it couldn't possibly know enough variables to make the decision. That course of action is to attempt to stop in a controlled way. Maybe one day in 2218 when technology is fed perfect information about friction and the value to society of everyone around it and in it, then we can re-ask the question, but my guess is by then we're either all dead, we're back in the stone age or we've eliminated accidents.
So to answer your question: An autonomous car won't purposefully kill anyone. It doesn't have the ability to make that decision.
My point is not how safe
Allow me to quote something I read recently
Remember when people were strutting around expounding how safe these self driving vehicles were?
Maybe you are actually Trump's alter ego.
Sorry muchacho, through all of this wordsmithing back and forth, my point still stands.
If you think so. Sure. But based on your inability to read I can see why you think why.
I'm sure they'll figure it out quickly.
You can't throw money at every problem and expect an outcome. That's a fundamental tenet of discovery and invention.
We don't need to eliminate emissions. We need to close the carbon cycle. Eliminate emissions from ground transport and energy production goes a long way. But for this last 1/4 we could do things like switch to biofuel.
Mind you the article is woefully narrow focused. We won't be able to eliminate emissions for many other reasons. Our oil dependence goes well beyond the need to drive down to the shopping centre and soar through the air. I am typing this to you right now on a keyboard brought to you by the oil industry while wearing pants and a shirt made of fibres brought to you by the oil industry. Later today I'll go for a bikeride where I will cycle on a path brought to you by the leftover dredges oil industry. As a smart sheik once said: Oil is too valuable for us to burn.
Weight. May as well use batteries.
Going to post this as AC because I'm sure the haters will be out in full force.
It's worth noting that there are a few haters here on Slashdot, but the people who actually like the car and have modpoints far outnumber the haters. Don't be afraid to be proud of your car.
But why the foundation? Get rid of that NT kernel, it's a superfluous element, one more potential point of failure without any benefit.
Yes, right until you get to the part where the Linux kernel will need dedicated drivers for it, a key reason why in the mobile ROM world it is so hard to simply play with whatever OS you want.
Having a working kernel doesn't seem so superfluous.
We don't want mobiles-like desktops. We don't want desktop-like mobiles.
Don't speak for us. Speak for yourself. You comments have been heard over and over again about smartphones, about phablets, tablets, notebooks, early laptops, Surface ... slates (horrible name). Guess what, they all sell well enough that companies happily continue producing for the form factor.
You may not want a mobile like desktop, I do. Not a pocketable one specifically but a tablettable one. On the flip side just like the first Surfaces took on the tablets, this looks set to take on the phablet, also quite a large market.
Don't like it, don't buy it, but don't claim that no one else wants one.
Ok so everyone insisting that cold climates didn't affect EVs so I should definitely get an EV.... was lying to me?
No. What you should do is get out of that anti EV echo chamber you and all your other nutters seem to hang about in.