"Is it legal for you to ring your neighbours' doorbell? Technically it is trespassing. So when is trespassing not trespassing eh?"
In the case of a doorbell it's not particularly illegal to ring one. It IS illegal to ring one, and if the door isn't answered to pick the lock on the door.
"If you pop into one of my webservers are you accessing the computer in an "authorized" fashion? How do you know if I'm technically competant enuf to configure it so the people who should have access do have access and the ones who shouldn't have access don't?"
It doesn't matter. As with the door, if it's left unlocked it's still trespass, and in some jurisdictions it's breaking and entering.
"If I have my winders file shares open - are you "authorized" to pop in for a look?"
No, as with the door above.
"I say "YES". I know a person who deliberatly opened her shares because she wanted people to get at her music."
She basically left the door open and hung out a "c'mon in" sign.
"Yet another person who I called who had open shares claimed I hacked the computer. So much for trying to be a nice guy to these idjots."
You didn't hack into his computer, but you were uninvited, trespasser.
"Actually - on that phone call to tell them the shares were wide open - another person found out I did this and accused me of trying to get someone fired! I mean the bullshit factor is really deep sometimes."
That person was an idiot. Kravitses(sp) are all around us.
"Its like some people are so stupid that they will walk down the street with their damn dicks hanging out and if some one tells them their fly is open - that person is accused of being a peeping tom!"
Questions like this that are tossed out into the ether that is known as the 'net' {or whatever particular thing anybody wishes to call it} are comletely assinine. It lists right up there with 'e'this and 'i'that. Questions like this pretend that what's wrong/right changes if a computer or the internet is involved.
Unauthorized access boils down to this, just like in the real world...
If your not invited... stay out. If it's not public... stay out. If it's not yours, and you dont' have permission to enter... stay out. If it's locked... stay out - don't pick the damn lock.
There's no fucking difference in applicability of unauthorized access between the 'real world' and computers/interent/etc...
Usenet/newsgroups, whatever you want to call them, is better off without such ilk as Spaf. He has as much talent as Keeanu Reeves, and as much personality as a comatose whore. He didn't matter, and he won't be missed. Seeing him 'go' is like seeing a self-installed icon rip itself off the cathedral wall and crawl into the nearest dumpster where it belongs.
yes, get an accountant. You have a c-corp, and you really, REALLY need to use an accountant. Your c-corp, and probably (IANAA) write off the cost on the next tax cycle.
I have my own computer service so these are the tools I haul around with me.
Win95, win98, win98se, and WinME CABs. A hard disk copy utility such as copy commander. A memory checking utility. Boot floppies for all the above, and bootable cd's. A partition utility such as Partition Magic. IE 5.5 and 6.0 full install files. Netscape full install files. AOL CD. (yeah, but ya gotta give me what they want) Latest RH and Mandrake cd's.
one cd with misc windows stuff (adaware, etc...) one cd with misc Linus stuff (just in case)
There's more that can be added, but that pretty much covers what would basically be needed on any random call.
No, this whole action by Google is more insidious. It's an attempt by Google to have the word removed from one 'dictionary' as a test on having them removed from ALL of them. They know full well they cannot get away with this since google is a verb so they figure if they remove the verb THEN then can take action against any use wheather or not that use is an actual infringement.
Directv has been available for years to people that spend on motorized antenna mounts that home in on the satellite signal and keep it tracked. And that mount is cheaper.
Move along people, ther's nothing more to see here.
"Anybody who doesn't RTFM _before_ asking is asking for trouble. Doesn't matter what platform they're developing for. If you have time to code, you have the time to read the documentation, or a book, or... otherwise you're just wasting people's time. Of course, if you actually *did* develop for *nix, you'd know that there are tons of good mailing lists out there with kind curteous professionals who dont mind answering your questions if they havn't already been answered in the manual."
Evidently you haven't been observant on how so-called *nix people react to questions. It's not a matter of people not reading the FM and asking dumbass questions. It's the reaction they get from so-called *nix people.
My measure, and it also applies to ALL platforms and ALL professions is this. If someone responds rudely with either no reference or an obscure reference then they either have an elitist attitude or don't know the answer in the first place. So what happens, people spend more time berating the person then just simply stating where they can find the information.
That is the attitude that pushes people from Linux. It's just a natural dynamic that people will choose the path of least resistance, and Windows just happens to be that path. Although there are people willing to help (I do when I can), people willing to admit they don't know (which I do when I don't know), and FM's that are actually intelligent and more than just a text of self-gratuitous masturbation for the author - there are far more that are just rude, crude, and elitist.
Untill that cultural attitude changes, people will still use MS as the platform of choice no matter how good any particular flavor of *nix is. Microsft realy dosn't need to do anything, the general cultural attitude of the *nix crowd is Microsofts best asset.
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where on the rocket is there going to be room for the fat, smelly, linux/unix geek?
Well, not to be the mathmarm, that's 80 dollar profit.
How many people a beowulf cluster of these can kill!
"Is it legal for you to ring your neighbours' doorbell? Technically it is trespassing. So when is trespassing not trespassing eh?"
In the case of a doorbell it's not particularly illegal to ring one. It IS illegal to ring one, and if the door isn't answered to pick the lock on the door.
"If you pop into one of my webservers are you accessing the computer in an "authorized" fashion? How do you know if I'm technically competant enuf to configure it so the people who should have access do have access and the ones who shouldn't have access don't?"
It doesn't matter. As with the door, if it's left unlocked it's still trespass, and in some jurisdictions it's breaking and entering.
"If I have my winders file shares open - are you "authorized" to pop in for a look?"
No, as with the door above.
"I say "YES". I know a person who deliberatly opened her shares because she wanted people to get at her music."
She basically left the door open and hung out a "c'mon in" sign.
"Yet another person who I called who had open shares claimed I hacked the computer. So much for trying to be a nice guy to these idjots."
You didn't hack into his computer, but you were uninvited, trespasser.
"Actually - on that phone call to tell them the shares were wide open - another person found out I did this and accused me of trying to get someone fired! I mean the bullshit factor is really deep sometimes."
That person was an idiot. Kravitses(sp) are all around us.
"Its like some people are so stupid that they will walk down the street with their damn dicks hanging out and if some one tells them their fly is open - that person is accused of being a peeping tom!"
What are you doing looking at peoples dicks?
"So - this is a good question."
Nope
Questions like this that are tossed out into the ether that is known as the 'net' {or whatever particular thing anybody wishes to call it} are comletely assinine. It lists right up there with 'e'this and 'i'that. Questions like this pretend that what's wrong/right changes if a computer or the internet is involved.
Unauthorized access boils down to this, just like in the real world...
If your not invited... stay out.
If it's not public... stay out.
If it's not yours, and you dont' have permission to enter... stay out.
If it's locked... stay out - don't pick the damn lock.
There's no fucking difference in applicability of unauthorized access between the 'real world' and computers/interent/etc...
It's not a huge philosophical question.
Booo hooo!
Oh well...
~Ding dong! Spaf is gone!~
Usenet/newsgroups, whatever you want to call them, is better off without such ilk as Spaf. He has as much talent as Keeanu Reeves, and as much personality as a comatose whore. He didn't matter, and he won't be missed. Seeing him 'go' is like seeing a self-installed icon rip itself off the cathedral wall and crawl into the nearest dumpster where it belongs.
Who do you think you are? French?
yes, get an accountant. You have a c-corp, and you really, REALLY need to use an accountant. Your c-corp, and probably (IANAA) write off the cost on the next tax cycle.
technologist
or 'computer technologist'
I have my own computer service so these are the tools I haul around with me.
Win95, win98, win98se, and WinME CABs.
A hard disk copy utility such as copy commander.
A memory checking utility.
Boot floppies for all the above, and bootable cd's.
A partition utility such as Partition Magic.
IE 5.5 and 6.0 full install files.
Netscape full install files.
AOL CD. (yeah, but ya gotta give me what they want)
Latest RH and Mandrake cd's.
one cd with misc windows stuff (adaware, etc...)
one cd with misc Linus stuff (just in case)
There's more that can be added, but that pretty much covers what would basically be needed on any random call.
If there were a beowulf cluster of these operated by a petrified natalie portman while she pours hot grits down my pants!
Oh yeah...
All your George Foreman Grill are belong to us!
Someone set us up the George Foreman Grill!
All your Pinguino are belong to us!
The only reason people are upset with the prize is that it's offered by a whacky outsider instead of a whacky 'insider'.
It's been in use. Just because it doesn't happen to be in a dictionary is beside the point.
"The girl with the googley eye's", etc...
GREAT GOOGLEY MOOGLEY!
No, this whole action by Google is more insidious. It's an attempt by Google to have the word removed from one 'dictionary' as a test on having them removed from ALL of them. They know full well they cannot get away with this since google is a verb so they figure if they remove the verb THEN then can take action against any use wheather or not that use is an actual infringement.
Unfortunately it's up to the person(s)/entitiy submitting the patent to supply prior art. Evidently they aren't fullfilling this requirement.
Now I can sleep at night now that the mystery of Q*Bert has been cleared up.
As usefull as a course in Navajo rug weaving or reed baskets.
Yup, that anime course will make it more likely for the person to get work!
They might as well have an ass picking class, or a class on boogers. Be just as usefull.
Directv has been available for years to people that spend on motorized antenna mounts that home in on the satellite signal and keep it tracked. And that mount is cheaper.
Move along people, ther's nothing more to see here.
"Now the companies do the have RIGHT to sue my ass in court for theft if I steal it though. :)"
Actually, they have the right to call the cops and have your sorry, thieving, ass picked up and tossed into jail for theft.
Most likely it's the Linux crowd. It does seem to be mostly populated by college age trendinistas.
Actually, I DO develope for *nix and windows.
"Anybody who doesn't RTFM _before_ asking is asking for trouble. Doesn't matter what platform they're developing for. If you have time to code, you have the time to read the documentation, or a book, or... otherwise you're just wasting people's time. Of course, if you actually *did* develop for *nix, you'd know that there are tons of good mailing lists out there with kind curteous professionals who dont mind answering your questions if they havn't already been answered in the manual."
Evidently you haven't been observant on how so-called *nix people react to questions. It's not a matter of people not reading the FM and asking dumbass questions. It's the reaction they get from so-called *nix people.
My measure, and it also applies to ALL platforms and ALL professions is this. If someone responds rudely with either no reference or an obscure reference then they either have an elitist attitude or don't know the answer in the first place. So what happens, people spend more time berating the person then just simply stating where they can find the information.
That is the attitude that pushes people from Linux. It's just a natural dynamic that people will choose the path of least resistance, and Windows just happens to be that path. Although there are people willing to help (I do when I can), people willing to admit they don't know (which I do when I don't know), and FM's that are actually intelligent and more than just a text of self-gratuitous masturbation for the author - there are far more that are just rude, crude, and elitist.
Untill that cultural attitude changes, people will still use MS as the platform of choice no matter how good any particular flavor of *nix is. Microsft realy dosn't need to do anything, the general cultural attitude of the *nix crowd is Microsofts best asset.
That's what they said, and their right.
Developer support for an OS such as Linux is more like "What? Are you a fucking idiot? RTFM asshole!"
Unlike you, sir, at least I have a personality.