If you knew that there was a small chance that the police would kill you for it, would you stop doing it?
This thinking is wrong.. yes if there is only a small chance then people would still do it, thinking it'd be someone else who'll get caught.
What you get when you put too harsh punishments is that people who break the law, will act more violent and try not to get caught. If the punishment for something feels too high compared to more severe act for which you get punished less, people may commit the other crimes too.
I.e. if a burgler gets caught and he knows he'll get life imprisonment for this, he will do everything to escape, including killing who's trying to bust him. If he gets away by killing someone, good for him (and bad for our society as we now created a murderer), if he kills but gets caught, he still gets life imprisonment, so he didn't loose anything by killing someone..
5 years for some mp3's ? You might as well defend your pc with your shotgun and make sure no police gets near it.. or better, be a drunk driver and run over the kids of those who voted this law, and you probably get less than 5 years..
I agree with financial punishments - you stole the mp3s, now you pay (double, triple,..) for all of them. But putting people in prison for years is imo wrong, certainly compared to the severe things one could do and be punished less.
I thought the times that people were put to jail for stealing bread were over..
there will be no security anymore. Security by obscurity.
All 'safe encrypted technologies' of the future will be based on ROT13 in a few years time because all programmers are too lazy to find a better algorythm, or they won't find any info anymore to learn how to make a better algorythm, and it'll be safe because no-one may test it.
DMCA is basically the same as installing the same lock on every door in the country and it'll be safe because people are not allowed by law to try if the key to their house also works on the lock of their neighbours door..
The study projects that Windows CE-based devices may outsell Windows-based PCs within 5 years.
Is this study heavily MS-sponsored or what ?
MS has tried to push CE for years now with limited success and I don't know if many people still want to use it to develop after it's history. I won't buy a phone if I know there's CE behind it, and there's an alternative available:-)
CE-devices may outsell Windows-based PCs ? This means to me that people will buy Linux-pc's from now on..
But as you don't actually steal something physical, but you steal the IP, you could pose the question as: what fine do you get when you listen to a cd in a shop, or read a book/magazine in the shop without buying it ?
The original poster is right IMO, treatening to punish doesn't help without actually checking if the rules are broken and punishing effectively.
Setting a few examples doesn't really work.
Same with speeding, you may cut it down.. but only in places where you know police are/could be checking your speed. If the fines for speeding are very high, but there is hardly any control on it, most people would still speed and if they get caught they feel they had 'bad luck'.
What you need is effective control. Break the rule once or twice, and it gets noticed and you get punished. Not: break the rules 10000 times and maybe we'll see it the 10001th time because you speeded in front of our police car.
Don't know if this has been mentioned before or even done, but what if people all boycot buying cds for a certain time ?
OK most downloaders already don't buy cds at all, so I doubt if it's going to make a big difference..
But maybe we could make a certain day (or week) that no-one buys cds. And make a lot of media attention about it so the whole world knows it (and doesn't buy cds) and the record companies also feel it.
That way record companies will feel that consumers don't like what they're doing (up to now record companies only see yearly income drop and use their political influence to vote stupid laws, but there hasn't been a grouped reaction from the consumers side which had a large impact)
If enough people don't buy cds that day/week, maybe they'll realise that if they try to push it even more, more boycots will follow until they don't sell any records at all anymore ?
Anyway these stupid laws just show how sick the system is, it proves the world is ruled by money, political influence, and people in a democracy actually don't have anything to say at all..
"ISPs don't want people using very effective filters," he said. "They want people to be downloading as much information as possible - that's how they make their money."
Weird, I always thought internet providers made money from people who pay their monthly fees but don't download a lot, and they actually loose money on those who download gigabytes a month..
Anyone care to explain how an ISP makes money because their users download a lot ??
It's only when this kind of thing is made public that real change can occur. If she doesn't want to be part of that, that's OK, but she should quit whining about it. Either do your job, or don't complain when other people do it for you.
Do you really think she'll be invited to any major conference again if she would write about everything she hears and sees ? She wouldn't be doing her job for long anymore..
just because/. says this is about privicy, doesn't mean it really is
this is indeed
1. legal: so they can track tires in case of a recall
and why do they need rf ? because you just can't print a serial number on a tire as it'll wear off and rf is easy to check, can be (semi) automated
2. for manufacturers: like another post said, car manufacturers who buy millions of tires, want to be able to track every single part this in case of a recall, or even just for inventory management
about all the privacy concerns and 'they' having databases tracking you.. get real.. the investment would be too high.. and it would mean everything in the database is perfect.. as people pointed out, you can buy tires for someone else, swap them,.. there are more reliable ways of tracking someone (i.e. your mobile phone, or adding some GPS device to a car)
btw I work for a car shipping company.. we sometimes even have cars with serial numbers which according to the manufacturer don't exist and have never been produced ?! So forget about finding a 'perfect' database with everything in it..
About all the people asking how they know if you have ripped your own cds..
No they won't know this.
However, they can ask you to prove you own the cds of all mp3 files you have/are sharing.
About a year ago here in Belgium it was in the newspaper that some people got letters from the local music copyright company (Sabam) asking to prove they owned the music they shared on napster/kazaa/..
I don't know if anyone actually has been sued or had to pay damages, and how legal it was to ask this (and if you have to reply or can just ignore it) though
Am I the only one to be amazed by the weird complains the RIAA keeps on making and thinks people still believes what they say ?
About all the missing sales they get because people download mp3s - do they really believe every mp3 downloaded is a cd less sold ?? Do they think someone with thousands of mp3s would buy thousand cds ? We don't have unlimited budgets..
And now they're complaining they don't get as many profit as the previous years; Hey we live in a capitalistic world.. the market also changes, and you should evolve your product. If your product doesn't sell anymore you've only got yourself to complain to..
You don't hear McD complain these days that people buy less burgers and pizzas or other take-aways should be closed or are illegal ?
What could you do if you had a million people helping you?
Actually, I have no idea. And that's the problem with all these people playing the sims.. they probably also don't know.
They could do something productive with their own life, create or learn something, get forward in their life. But no, they decide to waste hours playing a game in which they have a virtual person achieving things which they'll probably never do themselves in their own life because they waste all their time.
I just don't get it. Anyway, I've lost enough time replying here, could've done useful instead:)
WMS quit because they weren't making *enough* money on pinball machines. They were making money on pinball machines, but their other division (casino games) was/is much more profitable.
(and sales numbers for pinball machines were
decreasing over the last years)
Gene Cunningham bought the rights to repro williams/bally parts, and I believe he also owns the rights of Capcom. Recently he has also bought a company TAG, which makes playfields. Don't know if he only bought the tools or also the people. Haven't heard anything of new playfields being made.
An original powerball was also over $100 new from Williams when TZ was released, but now cheaper repro powerballs are available for about $40
To the original poster of this thread: there are already enough good, repairable machines being parted.. I'd prefer to see them all fixed..
There are also ftp-sites for scanned plastics, so it's possible to repro parts yourself.
it's also been proven that kids who have small pets (cats, dogs,..) are better to notify body language and emotions and so.. so all geeks in silicon valley should adopt a cat for their children..
it's an expensive joke but at least you can buy a new computer.. on rec.games.pinball there've been enough stories of ups (and other shippers) destroying unique 40-year old (or even older) perfect, never used playfields and backglasses.. good luck replacing on of these, because that item may have been the last one on the world in such nice condition.. (and maybe it's insured for like $1000 - if you've looked like 20 years for that part, finally found it and got it destroyed in shipping, $1000 damages means sh*t)
Enough things said by other people about packing.. use wood if you can.. double pack it if possible (box in a box with lots of padding).. and if you don't dare to hold the box in front of you and drop it, then pack again until you dare..
to answer the question - no, i'm cheap:)
although for some information it could be interesting..
Digital had developed a system for this years ago already, it was called Millicent.. don't think you'll find a lot of information about it though as it never had any marketing around it.. they've developed the system but external brokers were going to deal with the payments.. afaik this never was set up..
-small commercial break- The company I work for (www.DMPartners.be also has a search engine. This one is based on linguistics and is much better then other engines when words have more then one meaning. However there must be some customisation done for the customer but we have some base sets (ie. for financial institutions, pharmaceutical companies,..) so you only have to add specific terms for the company. A previous version even asked you what meaning you were looking for (it's now taken out because most clients found it annoying and with the customisation we know what they usually want, but it can always be added again). Looking for hits in foreign languages is also much more efficient and returns more hits as you are looking for correct concepts, and not just checking on some badly translated keywords.
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It's just the other way around ?
...
If you want to make $25000 (or have the skills/age/.. for this wage) you're going to be unemployed for 4 months on average.
However if you're more experenced, older,
and apply for jobs where you'd make $85000,
it'll take you a month more before you find
a job like this..
If you knew that there was a small chance that the police would kill you for it, would you stop doing it?
..) for all of them. But putting people in prison for years is imo wrong, certainly compared to the severe things one could do and be punished less.
This thinking is wrong.. yes if there is only a small chance then people would still do it,
thinking it'd be someone else who'll get caught.
What you get when you put too harsh punishments is that people who break the law, will act more violent and try not to get caught. If the punishment for something feels too high compared to more severe act for which you get punished less, people may commit the other crimes too.
I.e. if a burgler gets caught and he knows he'll get life imprisonment for this, he will do everything to escape, including killing who's trying to bust him. If he gets away by killing someone, good for him (and bad for our society as we now created a murderer), if he kills but gets caught, he still gets life imprisonment, so he didn't loose anything by killing someone..
5 years for some mp3's ? You might as well defend your pc with your shotgun and make sure no
police gets near it.. or better, be a drunk driver and run over the kids of those who voted this law, and you probably get less than 5 years..
I agree with financial punishments - you stole the mp3s, now you pay (double, triple,
I thought the times that people were put to jail for stealing bread were over..
All 'safe encrypted technologies' of the future will be based on ROT13 in a few years time because all programmers are too lazy to find a better algorythm, or they won't find any info anymore to learn how to make a better algorythm, and it'll be safe because no-one may test it.
DMCA is basically the same as installing the same lock on every door in the country and it'll be safe because people are not allowed by law to try if the key to their house also works on the lock of their neighbours door..
The study projects that Windows CE-based devices may outsell Windows-based PCs within 5 years.
:-)
Is this study heavily MS-sponsored or what ?
MS has tried to push CE for years now with limited success and I don't know if many people still want to use it to develop after it's history.
I won't buy a phone if I know there's CE behind it, and there's an alternative available
CE-devices may outsell Windows-based PCs ?
This means to me that people will buy Linux-pc's from now on..
Interesting discussion.
But as you don't actually steal something
physical, but you steal the IP,
you could pose the question as:
what fine do you get when you listen to a cd
in a shop, or read a book/magazine in the shop
without buying it ?
You would maybe stop, others won't.
The original poster is right IMO, treatening
to punish doesn't help without actually
checking if the rules are broken and punishing
effectively.
Setting a few examples doesn't really work.
Same with speeding, you may cut it down..
but only in places where you know police are/could be checking your speed.
If the fines for speeding are very high,
but there is hardly any control on it,
most people would still speed and if they
get caught they feel they had 'bad luck'.
What you need is effective control.
Break the rule once or twice, and it gets
noticed and you get punished.
Not: break the rules 10000 times and maybe
we'll see it the 10001th time because
you speeded in front of our police car.
Don't know if this has been mentioned before or even done, but what if people all boycot buying cds for a certain time ?
OK most downloaders already don't buy cds at all,
so I doubt if it's going to make a big difference..
But maybe we could make a certain day (or week) that no-one buys cds. And make a lot of media attention about it so the whole world knows it (and doesn't buy cds) and the record companies also feel it.
That way record companies will feel that consumers don't like what they're doing (up to now
record companies only see yearly income drop
and use their political influence to vote stupid laws, but there hasn't been a grouped reaction from the consumers side which had a large impact)
If enough people don't buy cds that day/week,
maybe they'll realise that if they try to push
it even more, more boycots will follow until
they don't sell any records at all anymore ?
Anyway these stupid laws just show how sick the
system is, it proves the world is ruled by money, political influence, and people in a democracy actually don't have anything to say at all..
I just knew the old video games had to be right !
Now all we can do is wait until pacman passes and eats the earth ?
first the 419 nigerian scam, soon similar scams from Senegal ??
"ISPs don't want people using very effective filters," he said. "They want people to be downloading as much information as possible - that's how they make their money."
Weird, I always thought internet providers made money from people who pay their monthly fees but don't download a lot, and they actually loose money on those who download gigabytes a month..
Anyone care to explain how an ISP makes money because their users download a lot ??
It's only when this kind of thing is made public that real change can occur. If she doesn't want to be part of that, that's OK, but she should quit whining about it. Either do your job, or don't complain when other people do it for you.
Do you really think she'll be invited to any major conference again if she would write about everything she hears and sees ?
She wouldn't be doing her job for long anymore..
just because
this is indeed
1. legal: so they can track tires in case of a recall
and why do they need rf ? because you just can't print a serial number on a tire as it'll wear off and rf is easy to check, can be (semi) automated
2. for manufacturers:
like another post said, car manufacturers who buy millions of tires, want to be able to track every
single part
this in case of a recall, or even just for inventory management
about all the privacy concerns and 'they' having databases tracking you.. get real.. the investment would be too high..
and it would mean everything in the database is perfect.. as people pointed out, you can buy tires
for someone else, swap them,
btw I work for a car shipping company.. we sometimes even have cars with serial numbers which according to the manufacturer don't exist and have never been produced ?!
So forget about finding a 'perfect' database with everything in it..
No they won't know this.
However, they can ask you to prove you own the cds of all mp3 files you have/are sharing.
About a year ago here in Belgium it was in the newspaper that some people got letters from the
local music copyright company (Sabam) asking
to prove they owned the music they shared on
napster/kazaa/..
I don't know if anyone actually has been sued or had to pay damages, and how legal it was to ask this (and if you have to reply or can just ignore it) though
(in about 2-3 years I believe).
So what does this news mean ? Just trying to sell
some more alphas ? How long will they support this system ?
The Register also had an article about this on monday..
Am I the only one to be amazed by the weird
complains the RIAA keeps on making and thinks
people still believes what they say ?
About all the missing sales they get because
people download mp3s - do they really believe
every mp3 downloaded is a cd less sold ??
Do they think someone with thousands of mp3s
would buy thousand cds ? We don't have unlimited
budgets..
And now they're complaining they don't get as
many profit as the previous years;
Hey we live in a capitalistic world..
the market also changes, and you should evolve
your product.
If your product doesn't sell anymore you've
only got yourself to complain to..
You don't hear McD complain these days that
people buy less burgers and pizzas or other
take-aways should be closed or are illegal ?
What could you do if you had a million people helping you?
:)
Actually, I have no idea.
And that's the problem with all these people playing the sims.. they probably also don't know.
They could do something productive with their own life, create or learn something, get forward in their life.
But no, they decide to waste hours playing a game in which they have a virtual person achieving things which they'll probably never do themselves in their own life because they waste all their time.
I just don't get it.
Anyway, I've lost enough time replying here, could've done useful instead
yes and no.. don't care if it's in my laptop,
cellphone.
It can be dangerous however in the factory which
makes these things as you'll have a high concentration there.
But it's a good idea..
hope they'll make the things so powerful that
it can provide power for cars, so we can get rid
of fossil fuel
only 7 comments and I alread get timeouts on that site :(
WMS quit because they weren't making *enough* money on pinball machines. They were making money on pinball machines, but their other division (casino games) was/is much more profitable.
(and sales numbers for pinball machines were
decreasing over the last years)
Gene Cunningham bought the rights to repro williams/bally parts, and I believe he also owns the rights of Capcom. Recently he has also bought a company TAG, which makes playfields. Don't know if he only bought the tools or also the people. Haven't heard anything of new playfields being made.
An original powerball was also over $100 new from Williams when TZ was released, but now cheaper repro powerballs are available for about $40
To the original poster of this thread: there are already enough good, repairable machines being parted.. I'd prefer to see them all fixed..
There are also ftp-sites for scanned plastics, so it's possible to repro parts yourself.
it's also been proven that kids who have small pets (cats, dogs, ..) are better to notify body language and emotions and so.. so all geeks in silicon valley should adopt a cat for their children..
it's an expensive joke but at least you can buy a new computer.. on rec.games.pinball there've been enough stories of ups (and other shippers) destroying unique 40-year old (or even older) perfect, never used playfields and backglasses.. good luck replacing on of these, because that item may have been the last one on the world in such nice condition.. (and maybe it's insured for like $1000 - if you've looked like 20 years for that part, finally found it and got it destroyed in shipping, $1000 damages means sh*t)
Enough things said by other people about packing.. use wood if you can.. double pack it if possible (box in a box with lots of padding).. and if you don't dare to hold the box in front of you and drop it, then pack again until you dare..
to answer the question - no, i'm cheap :)
although for some information it could be interesting..
Digital had developed a system for this years ago already, it was called Millicent.. don't think you'll find a lot of information about it though as it never had any marketing around it.. they've developed the system but external brokers were going to deal with the payments.. afaik this never was set up..
-small commercial break- The company I work for (www.DMPartners.be also has a search engine. This one is based on linguistics and is much better then other engines when words have more then one meaning. However there must be some customisation done for the customer but we have some base sets (ie. for financial institutions, pharmaceutical companies, ..) so you only have to add specific terms for the company. A previous version even asked you what meaning you were looking for (it's now taken out because most clients found it annoying and with the customisation we know what they usually want, but it can always be added again). Looking for hits in foreign languages is also much more efficient and returns more hits as you are looking for correct concepts, and not just checking on some badly translated keywords.