I don't think this should apply here. Just like my car scenario before, it's not Ford's fault if my engine siezes because I neglect to change the oil, or if it is stolen because I neglected to notice the man beneath my desk filing down a copy of my key.
Not many people put a phone outside and say "Here! Use it!" (I live in A-mish country, so people actually do that). What's to stop me from dialing 1-900-TITS-4ME and running up their bill, or calling 911 a couple hundred times?
The same should go for a home computer. If it is connected to a public network 24/7, it's the USER'S responsibility to protect it from misuse.
I guarantee you that the problem is not the operating system itself, but idiotic users who click YES!! or OK!!! on any button they see, users who wonder why their $3200 SuperUberOMGWTFBBQ!!!11 PC is slow after 3 months of porn viewing. If, by some chance tomorrow, OpenBSD was the world's most popular O/S, there'd be so many spybots and trojans for it that it'd take years for the OpenBSD team to fix all the holes found or made.
So basically you're saying the manufacturer should be liable for user failures?
My gun, a tool used for killing animals for food (the INTENDED USE, anyway) and shooting at targets, can cause the death of a human if the user wants that to happen. Is that Marlin's fault? Hell no.
My car, a machine used for my personal transportation, can be used in a whole slew of bad ways, like as a 110MPH battering ram, a convenient road obstacle, and as entertainment for inebriated persons. Is that Ford's fault? Hell no.
My house, you know, where I live, could be used as a whorehouse with a methamphetamine lab in the basement and a torture chamber in the attic. Is that the contractor's fault? Hell no.
I could go on and on and on. Here's a hint: Most things have multiple uses. Some of those are not the intended use of the manufacturer. Sometimes, features are there for a reason, even if they make unintended use easier. My car has a speed limiter at 102MPH, and there's no road in its country of origin with a speed limit that high. (Ford T-Bird, Lorain, OH) I may be a liberal and hate Big Business, but c'mon. The government cannot sincerely demand that businesses pay up when users of their product fuck up. In this case here, these idiots should READ before clicking YES on IE's "Do you want to install $program". Furthermore, they should have AV scanners, etc. If my house burns down because I failed to notice that someone has moved into my basement and left his space heater on, I don't whine to the contractor for a new house. I learn to look in my damn basement and make sure unwanted things aren't there. Same should go for your computer.
Driving is no right. It's a PRIVLEDGE. You don't pay road tax if you don't drive. You are, however, quite welcome to drive your own unlicensed car on your own, private road.
It should be the same for the 'net. Want on? Play by the rules. Don't want to? Fine. You won't have to follow rules, or pay for an ISP, but good luck dragging that 10BaseT cable to BFE to play Quake with your buddy.
IANAP, but because in traditional fusion reactors, the superheated plasma must be held inside the reaction to keep it going. Here, this is not the case.
Yanno, the only gateway I bought came in a nice midsize case. It was a Pii-450, with many expansion slots and thumb screws for the back. I've never, ever had problems with it. It still runs as an MP3 server. In my car.
Ohh trust me, the feds can control the state transportation departments just fine.
I;d be willing to bet your state (I'm assuming you're american) recently lowered it's BAC limit for a DUI to 0.08%. Why? The feds said either lower it, or we cut your road funding grants. Furthermore, licenses ARE getting better security and standardization of content... because of federal regulations.
If the feds want something to happen in the transportation realm, they make it happen.
Because it isn't $70 everywhere ($25 here, 4 years), and why the hell would I want to pay however much a passport costs just to go to Canada and get drunk every once in a great great while (i'm 18) when my DL already proves where I'm from?
From a business cost standpoint, the idea is FUCKING GREAT!! I forget what the exact statistic is, but a good percentage of cattle don't even mail in the rebate form. Add that to the hassle and faulty rules, and they're making a killing.
Yes, it is possible to have a ZEV, but not economical. IE, it won't solve the problem any better. There isn't really a commercially viable, economical replacement for a oil-powered vehicle... yet.
Also, I wanted to thank you for the informative response. In your first post, you came across as trolling, so that's why I responded with such sarcasm (I'd rather reply than negatively moderate)
Damn, last I checked, the power plants that serve my area, the PP&L Montour generation plant, which burns coal, you know, stuff that produces a ton of CO, NOx and SOx, and the PP&L Berwick generation plant, which produces waste that will be irradiating everything nearby for thousands of years, put out a LOT of pollution!
Three Mile Island is about an hour away, too. Let's not get into that one. In car circles, there's a saying "There's No Replacement for Displacement" - All electric cars do is DISPLACE pollution. Hybrid vehicles reduce fuel usage and therefore emissions.
yeah, but you don't want to pour your building full of say, water contaminated with toxic waste. Who knows what's in it and what CAN seep out of the concrete. The water has to be relatively safe.
Sig Figs. They don't disappear, they're just not SIGNIFICANT enough to be there. The accountant took less significant figures than he should have, and bam, we have 30kg missing. They could have also wound up with 30kg extra.
Yeah, it's been fixed for about 3 years now. Forwarding minutes, at least wit AT&T Wireless, are charged at your over-the-limit rate, usually $0.35/min or so. Bastards.
And of course, Slashdot is also full of self-important, i'm-always-right, tunnel visioned morons like you, too. You cannot think about a statement at all, you simply declare its thought completely incorrect and go into a tirade. I did not provide an argument, just a thought to consider, and you responded with an unneeded, completely one-sided argument with no consideration of other options.
Why are there nothing but reruns on? Because, in the future, the RIAA, the MPAA, and any other 4-letter acronym can no longer make any money by selling their manufactured music, that is, find a pretty boy or girl, hand them a tone corrector and a microphone, and have them belt out pre-written lyrics over a pre-written track. And we all know that with current distribution models (that is, record stores, wally world, and broadcast/cable TV), you've got to sell your life away to a label, or be lucky enough to have a pilot that an exec thinks can sell ads.
With newer distribution models, anyone can participate. <i>The market</i>, you know, as in under Capitalism, decides who makes it and who doesn't. The artists are in control of what is made available for sale, not a few large media companies.
As for your argument that it's OK for RIAA to sue a dead person because utilities always bill dead people, well, it's a dumb argument. There's quite a difference between sending a bill to a dead person and collecting evidence, hiring a lawyer, GOING TO THE PROTONOTARY AND CLERK OF COURTS, WHO WOULD KNOW HE OR SHE WAS DEAD, and filing a lawsuit. Their lawsuits are frivolous, usually not based on facts as their past will show, and the monetary damages they claim are exorbitant. Therefore, I will ALWAYS side with the defendants, and while I believe RIAA has to make money too, they're like the opposite of a dot com business. Their business model is too old, and they need to restructure, whereas most dot coms tried to enter new markets that weren't proven yet. Electronic distribution of music and video has been proven, and if they took advantage of it, I'm sure they wouldn't need these laws and lawsuits to stay alive.
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I don't think this should apply here. Just like my car scenario before, it's not Ford's fault if my engine siezes because I neglect to change the oil, or if it is stolen because I neglected to notice the man beneath my desk filing down a copy of my key.
Not many people put a phone outside and say "Here! Use it!" (I live in A-mish country, so people actually do that). What's to stop me from dialing 1-900-TITS-4ME and running up their bill, or calling 911 a couple hundred times?
The same should go for a home computer. If it is connected to a public network 24/7, it's the USER'S responsibility to protect it from misuse.
I guarantee you that the problem is not the operating system itself, but idiotic users who click YES!! or OK!!! on any button they see, users who wonder why their $3200 SuperUberOMGWTFBBQ!!!11 PC is slow after 3 months of porn viewing. If, by some chance tomorrow, OpenBSD was the world's most popular O/S, there'd be so many spybots and trojans for it that it'd take years for the OpenBSD team to fix all the holes found or made.
Well, in that case, Ivan from Uzbekistan gets what he has coming.
Think your good because the police don't care? Well, let's play hardball. If nobody's protecting me, then I'm going to protect myself.
Woah woah woah, buddy.
So basically you're saying the manufacturer should be liable for user failures?
My gun, a tool used for killing animals for food (the INTENDED USE, anyway) and shooting at targets, can cause the death of a human if the user wants that to happen. Is that Marlin's fault? Hell no.
My car, a machine used for my personal transportation, can be used in a whole slew of bad ways, like as a 110MPH battering ram, a convenient road obstacle, and as entertainment for inebriated persons. Is that Ford's fault? Hell no.
My house, you know, where I live, could be used as a whorehouse with a methamphetamine lab in the basement and a torture chamber in the attic. Is that the contractor's fault? Hell no.
I could go on and on and on. Here's a hint: Most things have multiple uses. Some of those are not the intended use of the manufacturer. Sometimes, features are there for a reason, even if they make unintended use easier. My car has a speed limiter at 102MPH, and there's no road in its country of origin with a speed limit that high. (Ford T-Bird, Lorain, OH) I may be a liberal and hate Big Business, but c'mon. The government cannot sincerely demand that businesses pay up when users of their product fuck up. In this case here, these idiots should READ before clicking YES on IE's "Do you want to install $program". Furthermore, they should have AV scanners, etc. If my house burns down because I failed to notice that someone has moved into my basement and left his space heater on, I don't whine to the contractor for a new house. I learn to look in my damn basement and make sure unwanted things aren't there. Same should go for your computer.
Driving is no right. It's a PRIVLEDGE. You don't pay road tax if you don't drive. You are, however, quite welcome to drive your own unlicensed car on your own, private road.
It should be the same for the 'net. Want on? Play by the rules. Don't want to? Fine. You won't have to follow rules, or pay for an ISP, but good luck dragging that 10BaseT cable to BFE to play Quake with your buddy.
Yes, Sir, the bomb in my shoe is to protect against terrorism. Honest!!!
IANAP, but because in traditional fusion reactors, the superheated plasma must be held inside the reaction to keep it going. Here, this is not the case.
Plextor is cheap anyway!!!
http://plextor.com/english/products/716SA.htm
where's mah credit card?! I didn't realize DVD burners had gotten so cheap so quick!
Yanno, the only gateway I bought came in a nice midsize case. It was a Pii-450, with many expansion slots and thumb screws for the back. I've never, ever had problems with it. It still runs as an MP3 server. In my car.
Well, you invoked Godwin's law in an otherwise good point.
However, they mean Do No CORPORATE Evil, not evil evil. Either way, it still doesnt apply.
Ohh trust me, the feds can control the state transportation departments just fine.
I;d be willing to bet your state (I'm assuming you're american) recently lowered it's BAC limit for a DUI to 0.08%. Why? The feds said either lower it, or we cut your road funding grants. Furthermore, licenses ARE getting better security and standardization of content... because of federal regulations.
If the feds want something to happen in the transportation realm, they make it happen.
Because it isn't $70 everywhere ($25 here, 4 years), and why the hell would I want to pay however much a passport costs just to go to Canada and get drunk every once in a great great while (i'm 18) when my DL already proves where I'm from?
24.23-0.11 is still greater than their 52-week low.
Sweet for job security, eh?
From a business cost standpoint, the idea is FUCKING GREAT!! I forget what the exact statistic is, but a good percentage of cattle don't even mail in the rebate form. Add that to the hassle and faulty rules, and they're making a killing.
IANAL, but i don't think he has that right... this is a civil lawsuit, not a criminal one.
Disclaimer: I am Catholic, and therefore Christian.
TRUST me, there is nothing NEW about a moronic Christian. They've been around for CENTURIES, if not millenia. Pick up any ol' history book.
Yes, it is possible to have a ZEV, but not economical. IE, it won't solve the problem any better. There isn't really a commercially viable, economical replacement for a oil-powered vehicle... yet.
Also, I wanted to thank you for the informative response. In your first post, you came across as trolling, so that's why I responded with such sarcasm (I'd rather reply than negatively moderate)
Zero Emissions?
Damn, last I checked, the power plants that serve my area, the PP&L Montour generation plant, which burns coal, you know, stuff that produces a ton of CO, NOx and SOx, and the PP&L Berwick generation plant, which produces waste that will be irradiating everything nearby for thousands of years, put out a LOT of pollution!
Three Mile Island is about an hour away, too. Let's not get into that one. In car circles, there's a saying "There's No Replacement for Displacement" - All electric cars do is DISPLACE pollution. Hybrid vehicles reduce fuel usage and therefore emissions.
yeah, but you don't want to pour your building full of say, water contaminated with toxic waste. Who knows what's in it and what CAN seep out of the concrete. The water has to be relatively safe.
Thank god, I'm not the only one. This is the first slashdot article I've read and had no clue what it was talking about.
Think about it quick here, hoss
-Technician 1 Removed 1.05kg per day.
-Technician 2 removed 105kg per day.
Technician 1 ACTUALLY removed 1.05499 kg. Technician 2 ACTUALLY removed 105.499kg.
Sig Figs. They don't disappear, they're just not SIGNIFICANT enough to be there. The accountant took less significant figures than he should have, and bam, we have 30kg missing. They could have also wound up with 30kg extra.
Email accidentally deleted becomes INSTANTLY very important, not irrelevant.
The WiFi itself may be fast, but I doubt you'll be getting a whole 11Mbit straight to the internet for yourself.
Yeah, it's been fixed for about 3 years now. Forwarding minutes, at least wit AT&T Wireless, are charged at your over-the-limit rate, usually $0.35/min or so. Bastards.
I'm eighteen, not that it matters.
And of course, Slashdot is also full of self-important, i'm-always-right, tunnel visioned morons like you, too. You cannot think about a statement at all, you simply declare its thought completely incorrect and go into a tirade. I did not provide an argument, just a thought to consider, and you responded with an unneeded, completely one-sided argument with no consideration of other options.
Why are there nothing but reruns on? Because, in the future, the RIAA, the MPAA, and any other 4-letter acronym can no longer make any money by selling their manufactured music, that is, find a pretty boy or girl, hand them a tone corrector and a microphone, and have them belt out pre-written lyrics over a pre-written track. And we all know that with current distribution models (that is, record stores, wally world, and broadcast/cable TV), you've got to sell your life away to a label, or be lucky enough to have a pilot that an exec thinks can sell ads.
With newer distribution models, anyone can participate. <i>The market</i>, you know, as in under Capitalism, decides who makes it and who doesn't. The artists are in control of what is made available for sale, not a few large media companies.
As for your argument that it's OK for RIAA to sue a dead person because utilities always bill dead people, well, it's a dumb argument. There's quite a difference between sending a bill to a dead person and collecting evidence, hiring a lawyer, GOING TO THE PROTONOTARY AND CLERK OF COURTS, WHO WOULD KNOW HE OR SHE WAS DEAD, and filing a lawsuit. Their lawsuits are frivolous, usually not based on facts as their past will show, and the monetary damages they claim are exorbitant. Therefore, I will ALWAYS side with the defendants, and while I believe RIAA has to make money too, they're like the opposite of a dot com business. Their business model is too old, and they need to restructure, whereas most dot coms tried to enter new markets that weren't proven yet. Electronic distribution of music and video has been proven, and if they took advantage of it, I'm sure they wouldn't need these laws and lawsuits to stay alive.